Was killing her off that horrifically REALLY that necessary?

>>151870448
I felt the same way about that death. They make a point to say she'll suffer infinite death and then promptly forget about her. Fuck FGO.

>>151870662
I know! It's like they came up with the most horrific way imaginable to kill someone off who we barely got to know for no reason other than to show that the bad guy is not a nice person.
And the worst part is that the main characters who saw it happen in front of them don't even really care and move on like it never happened!
Even if they weren't that close to her they should at least have some form of PTSD from that shit.
That was the most pointless and stupid death scene I've ever seen.

Isn't she freed in the Melty Blood manga?

>>151871048
I don't think so.

She was already dead anyway

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>>151870448
Well, what else do you expect from FGO?

>>151871204
About that: how the fuck did her spirit materialize like a Servant, and what was the point of that twist if they were just gonna kill her off again like that anyway?
They could've made her fuse with another servant and become a Demi-Servant like Mashu, but they completely wasted her character.

How can she experience an infinite number of deaths if she was already dead to begin with?

>>151871048
Yeah, she died in Fateverse and she's part of Tsukihime now

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>>151870448
Well seeing she was a carbon copy of Tohsaka rin was anything of value really lost?

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>>151870448
It could have made sense somewhat had they made this into a big turning point in the story and used it to develop and flesh out the characters affected by it, but it just ended up being disconnected and gratuitous instead.

They should have either killed her for good instead of subjecting her to eternal agony, or, if they really had to torture her, made her predicament an integral part of the story and source of distress/purpose for the rest of the cast.

As it is, it just looks like a significant oversight and bad writing.

>>151871525
Basically her soul is obliterated and her very existence is gone.

>>151871699
This seems to be what actually happened, she is eternally dead (whereas normal deaths do not destroy the soul) rather than actually experiencing some kind of eternal torture.

>She will experience an eternal death akin to be absorbed by a blackhole or the sun, where she is disassemble on the molecular level. She disappeared, leaving no trace of her behind. The girl called Olgamally, is no more

>>151871575
My question is why they would waste such a horrific death scene on a character that we barely got to know and execute it in such a contrived matter.

What that was from her point of view in reality Lev just shift back to Chaldea erasing her for good.

>>151871676
Fucking this. Everything about this scene singlehandedly ruined Fate/Grand Order. If Nasu actually wrote this scene, then he is officially a hack.
>>151871907
The worst part about this shit that happened to her is that neither the audience or the characters even care.
The story never even gave us or them a reason to care.
And it will have no effect on the story whatsoever. It's a complete fucking waste.

>>151870448
Does she die this early in the game too?

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>>151871997
To make the situation seem hopeless. The only humans left are Gudao, Mashu, Roman, and a bunch of unamed staff, they're completly cut off from any outside help, and their leader just died a horrible death.

>>151872201
Yes. In the fucking prologue.

>>151872264
I get that, but there's a much better way they could've handled that.

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>people acting surprised that Fate/shit has awful writing

>>151872181
He did actually the only ones that are complaining are tryhards who want to make sense of everything just don't think.

>>151872364
>HURR DURR I POSTED IT AGAIN LOL
Fuck off.

>it's another "secondaries complain their waifu died" thread

>>151872364
Hey, the original Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero were legitimately well written. If Nasu actually wrote Grand Order according to >>151872393, then it just means that Nasu is officially a has-been.

Well they needed some way to show the antagonist of this shit means business, because his character design is too god fucking awful to take seriously.

>>151872582
Nasu didn't write Zero just accept people die for no reason

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Who's the best servant and why is it Tamamo?

>>151870448
I assume the director of the studio really hated her, because her death didn't had these touches of cruelty in the game.

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>>151872264
That only works if the story and character behaviours change to reflect that. If you're going have horrible things happen to induce an overall sense of dread, that's perfectly fine, but it can't be accomplished by simply shocking the viewer with a one-off scene. You need to show that the characters feel the same way as well, and show how this affects their actions. Here, the supposedly relatable and human cast immediatly forgets about something that would give anyone a bad case of PTSD, which goes against any kind of emotional connection to the story and breaks any sort of credibility it could have had.

Do these look like hopeless people who just witnessed the gruesome death of their companion? Not really.

>>151872608
The antagonist literally could've killed the main character and Mashu right there.
But instead he kills waifubait and then skiddadles.
If that's what they call showing he means business, I'm not impressed.

>>151872625
He co-wrote it with Urobuchi, numbnuts.

>>151870832
The whole time it happened I wondered why the flying fuck were they just WATCHING. They don't even give enough of a shit about her to try and save her.
I feel like she just had more of a character arc in that one episode and her breakdown as she was going to die than MC and Mashu are going to have in all the seasons too.

>>151872886
I don't think anyone was impressed, its a shitty villain with shitty motives in a poorly written show.

To top it all off his character design screams mad hatter wannabe, the only way the assholes writing this apparently could think to give him any tension at all was to have him do the most edgy mustache twirling thing he could have possibly done.

>>151870448
She was something like teenage Ilya.
So long overdue to be killed.

>>151872742
Really now? That's fucked.

>>151872742
How was it in the game? Same thing but withouth the eternal suffering part?

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>>151872516
>secondaries
>implying Grand Order's story is related to the original visual novel's story in any way

>>151872949
>Urobuchi
he isn't called "the butcher" for nothing after all.

>>151873504
Exactly. And that's what pisses me off about this shit so much.

>>151872516
>>151875246
everyone should be proud to be a F/GO secondary, because if you fall for fucking gatcha mobileshit you only have yourself to blame

Wow, I didn't know there was so many kids on /a/ complaining about a literal who's death.

>>151875435
For me it's mostly about how she died rather than the fact itself since i wasn't caring about any character at all prior to that scene
Also she was cute, nice uniform too

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>>151872877
Fucking this. The scene singlehandedly ruined what could've been an otherwise mediocre show, and turned it into a steaming pile of Komodo dragon shit.

>>151871535
Truly, what a horrible fate/grand order!

>>151870448
Nasu.

>>151871048
>>151871535
No, only idiots who can't read think that. There are two Olgas in that manga, neither is from FGO. One is from Case Files and the other from an Extra timeline where she died earlier (she's a child). It's not FGO Olga.

I don't know why idiots repeat this bullshit. There's even two different Levs there who aren't from FGO because they aren't full demon yet.

>>151875170
>>151875220
Meh, not really. She suffered just as much in the game. You can read the translation here:
http://fgostory.blogspot.com.br/2016/03/en0100001111.html

>Lev: Yes. It's no different to a blackhole. Or perhaps the Sun. Well, regardless.
>Lev: It's the incarnation of hell that'd disassemble any person who touches it on the molecular level. Please, feel free to savour living death for an eternity.
>Olga Marie: No---No, no, help, somebody help! I……I, I don't want to die in a place like this!
>Olga Marie: I haven't been praised yet……! No one, no one has acknowledged me yet……!

>>151871522
>They could've made her fuse with another servant and become a Demi-Servant like Mashu, but they completely wasted her character.
They can't, Mashu isn't human, that's why she is a demi Servant.

>>151870448

The story was adapted from a mobile game, so it won't translate that well into a proper medium.

>>151875270
Yes except Urobuchi's death scenes for the most part carry weight on the story and the characters, and actually emotionally affect his audience.
When Mami died early in Madoka Magica, Madoka and Sayaka were horrified and emotionally scarred by her death, and it shocked the audience since we generally weren't expecting something like that in a show about Magical girls.
When Rider died in Fate/Zero, the audience was crying just as hard as Waver.

>>151875647
But then how can Waver turn into a demiservant?
Or Rin?

>>151875506
If you have watched or read enough typemoon, death by being incinerated isn't a big deal for a magi, it's simply that Olga wasn't suited to be one.

>>151871575

Still had more personality than that cardboard cut-out called Mashu

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Gudako saves the director in the manga. This manga is canon, right?

>>151875722
>Pseudo-servant =/= demi-servant

>>151875612

>Dr. Roman: So the reason why we could not contact the outside world wasn't because of a transmission fault, But that anyone who could have received our calls have been erased.
>Lev: Heh, smart as always. It's regrettable that I didn't kill you first.

How did anyone overlook Roman figure it out but was trying to keep hopeful?

I mean if the intention was to show how high the stakes were and add weight to the bad guy, then why didn't the remaining characters seem that affected by her death? It was kinda just like they shrugged it off.

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>>151875749
And Gudako doesn't fuck around like Gudao.

>>151875722
He's a Pseudo Servant. See Shirou and Angra Mainyu, same example.

>>151875787
>kills useless dumb bitch
>but not the guy who can stop him

Goetia should have fired this retard.

>>151872997
The worst part is that this was a one off OVA to promote a few smartphone game. So we're not gonna get any depth for MC-kun and Mashu.

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>>151875836
Manga Gudao is kind of an asshole

>>151875795
The characters were a bit busy surviving and noticing everyone is dead besides the few fuckers in Chaldea.

Might be a little too occupied to give a shit about a stranger. Roman did bring her up a few times later, so he cared, but he had to become the leader and not fuck around anymore.

type moon stuff bad writing as always.

>>151875927

A stranger? They've all known each other for the same amount of time. If anything, Mashu has known the director longer than bland insert-kun.

>>151875435
We're complaining about the death scene itself for being fucking stupid and pointless. We couldn't give two shits about the character when we were never given a reason to care about her.

>>151875795
Because they didn't have any strong connection with a literal who like her? To (you) and Mashu, she was simply "the director of Chaldea", to Roman, "the daughter of Marysbilly". Also Olga didn't have the right mindset to be a magi in the first place.

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>>151875749
>saves
If anything she's been damned to a life with Gudako.

They go as far as sending her the stone age to get of her.

>>151876019
The director avoided Mashu because she felt guilty about how her father treated her. She doesn't know her all that well. Lev had more interaction with Mashu than Olga.

>>151875881
Seriously. Lamest fucking villain since Exdeath from Final Fantasy V.

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>>151872264
They had a very interesting setup though with her being dead, except of course for the complete lack of foreshadowing.

They could use the 3 minutes of screaming about not getting praised and father issues for some emotional "passing on the mission" for the MC/Mash instead. That would work much better in all aspects for what you're saying.

>>151875749
It may as well be. This is far more enjoyable and well written than Grand Order.

>>151876041
To be fair, Roman did care about what happened, but many people died and the world is on fire. He couldn't believe Lev would do that to Olga either, he brings it up in the last Singularity which confirms the Lev who was their friend wasn't the same Lev who betrayed them.

>>151876136
I like his design and Sugita voice though.

>>151870448
>killing her off that horrifically
>edgelord
>no spiked, edged or sharp objects colored with dark and red colors were used to kill her

it wasn't edgy.

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>>151875881
Even if (you) weren't around to keep him busy, Flauros miscalculated in believing that Roman was in his office and not hidden eating cake in a room which would make him arrive late to their explosive appointment anyway.

Skirting out your responsibilities save lives kids.

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Who are the Servants besides Mashu that do security duty for the Master to protect them from unwanted mana transfers?

>>151876087

Yeah but MC kun they knew for like 5 minutes.

>>151876041
Doesn't matter. They should at least feel traumatized with PTSD or have at least some form of human emotion after seeing someone get horrifically killed right in front of their eyes.

>>151876232
Sugita's voice is literally all Flauros has going for him. His design looks like some generic mustache twirling mad hatter shit.

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>>151876198
Of course not, it was Flauros by then, in other worlds Lev killed himself before becoming a demon god.

>>151876329
Yes? And MC kun ran into the fire and stayed to die by her side. Which was more than Olga did to her by avoiding her for years. He touched her hand and treated her like a person, something only Roman did.

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>>151872181
annoying bitch dies a horrific death, how are you upset over this?

>>151876419
Lev design is great, so no. And he was a really good person. ;_;

>>151875925
>>151875836

Are they both gay in the comics?

>>151875929
I love this meme.

>>151876342
Ads don't have human emotions

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>>151870448
That's an impressive character design for post-Zero/Melty Blood Type-Moon.

>>151876464
They are gag comics, but yes.

They should have had RomanxGudao instead of Astolfo though.

>>151876464
Yes

>>151876342
Ghost aren't people

>>151876326
>Kiyohime
>unwanted

anon pls

>>151871907
>yfw you realize the FV suffers the same fate
Pure pottery.

>>151876342
>>151876491
But protagonist reacts strongly after Roman dies. They even hallucinate him in their room and is unable to join the celebrations, holding up the tears and shit.

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>>151876261
>Villain put a bomb right below her for no reason except raising the chance of the actualmasters being alive.
>Reveals she is already dead
>Regadless of that creates a wormhole through another space and time just to slowly throw her soul that had a few minutes of "life" left in a black hole for "eternal death"
>Then just leave the only left master that already realized a contract and his servant alone
>No one cared about the character anyway, but they still made it the climax of the OVA.

It was not only edgy, but also really stupid.

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GO is a shitty mobage I really don't know what you all expected.

>>151876157
Or better yet, they could've merged her soul with a Servant and made her become a Demi-Servant/Pseudo-Servant like Mashu.

What if Cu-ster was still there when shit was going down? She could've made a pact with him and got powers like Mashu.

It could've been a good setup for a transition of her character, and they wasted it on a fucking edgy death scene.

>>151876450
Waifufags and pussies, you don't need to think too much about that.

>>151876573
Everyone loved Roman, hardly anyone even remembers Director Orgone energy

>>151876456
Flauros, quit shitposting in /a/. You're a shitty villain from a shitty story.

>>151876573
Roman was his closest ally with Mashu. He barely knew Olga.

>>151875612
Olga actually seems like a rather nice person, even if she is a bit spazzy.

>Marie was afraid at first, though.
>Yeah, it’s understandable.
>First her ideal father passed, then it turns out that he had been conducting cruel experiments in secret.
>She became anorexic for a month from the shock.
>She was three times as hysteric, too.
>When she took over the director’s position, she was on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
>With her already being a worrywart, giving freedom to the sole successful example of the most shocking secret… the merging ritual, was nothing short of terrifying.
>“Mashu will avenge herself upon me!
>She’ll kill me gruesomely in the restroom or something! It’s only natural!”
>So she often shrieked.
>However, despite her fear, Marie didn’t look away from Mashu.
>A good quality of hers. She’s an earnest person in spite of appearances, and so she can’t do wrong no matter how tempting it is.
>Thanks to that, Mashu was accepted as a person of her own right and attained freedom within Chaldea.

>>151876603
Yeah, if only she had a real living body, it would be nice :^)

>>151876658
He barely knew Mashu when he rushed to save her ignoring former orders, tried to lift a giant block with his hands and accepted died next to her in the start of the OVA.

>>151876603
She would die within hours, Mashu is a test tube made human she can handle it. Merging with servants is different from being possessed by one

>>151876589
He left them because he assumed the Singularity would collapse on them and will cease to be. He underestimated Roman's determination and skill to pull them home safely. Underestimating Roman in general was literally how this shit was solved.

>>151876557
Quit spiritshaming you shitlord.

>>151875732
>death by being incinerated isn't a big deal for a magi
It wasn't just that, though. She suffered eternal agony. Whoever it happened to doesn't matter, the sheer magnitude of it is so beyond anything else that could ever happen to any other character in the story, that it both dwarfs any possible chance for drama from her death onwards, and makes it impossible to believe that the remaining cast would just shrug it off like nothing happened.

There is literally no worse conceivable fate, and yet it gets casually ignored both by the story and by characters who we are supposed to root for and perceive as humans. It's fundamentally broken.

>>151876715
He knew she was his waifu. Actually in the game it's hilarious he wants to know about Roman first before her when he awakes after Fuyuki. OVA had him go to meet Mashu first, but he asked for Doctor Roman in the game even if Mashu was in danger a moment ago as far as he remembered.

>>151876450
We're upset over the stupidity of the death scene itself.

>>151876724
But he bothered to kill someone in a grandly way who had literally nowhere to go back and even if she had would pose no thread ever?

>>151876715
He was doing his best to get his dick wet.

>>151876724
Then why didn't he try to kill Roman instead if he was the biggest threat? His motives make no fucking sense.

>>151876799
He was angry because Roman didn't obey and die with the rest, angry Olga didn't notice she died. He was taking it out with her. The cruelest is that Olga believed the demon was her beloved Lev and all those years he was using her and betrayed her when that wasn't truth at all.

>>151876892
He did he was hoping that Roman would get caught in the blast, but MC-kun saved him by being sent to the infirmary.

>>151876781
>no worse conceivable fate
>Crushed by singularities correction
>blackened by chaos tide
>killed by your most trusted friends for "necessities"
>erased from existence

>>151876590
We didn't expect it to be THIS fucking bad.

Why are we assuming a demon has to have the mentality of a normal, non-psychopathic human being? Why wouldn't he take advantage of the fact that she was super attached to the human Lev and that she was already dead to rub in his sadism even more?

Doesn't that seem like something a demon would do?

Why are you retards complaining about a non-issue? You're trying too hard to be an anime critic, a gruesome death for a minor character is not strange at all in film and tv.

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>>151876938
As someone who plays the game the anime was better than I expected so take that as you will.

>>151876875
Well, that would explain why he took so much effort trying to remove the block from her lower body.
>>151876896
Why not kill everyone then? What better way to take revenge against Roman than finishing off the only master left in the organization? Why kill the one who was dead and clearly unloved by everyone, minimizing his own damage to anyone using such a large amount of mana from the grail in the process?

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>>151876892
He was in Chaldea and couldn't go there anymore. Anyway, he still assumed that even if Roman was smart, he was just a normalfag doctor. At Final Singularity, he realized Chaldea survived time and time again because of Roman. While he found him suspicious, he hadn't realized how dangerous he was.

Even when he admitted that, he hadn't actually seen the scope of how dangerous Roman truly was. Because it's Roman who saves the day in the end. Most of the early Orders have Servants bullying him or disregarding him as a 'coward' or a 'weakling', so not even (you) realize how just damn pivotal he is until Da Vinci scolds (you) and starts naming how without Roman, (you) would have died because he needed to tirelessly check your life signals in every singularity and ascertain your existence. How he barely sleeps or eats or does anything except throw his life to save history and humanity, how he makes a superhuman effort despite not being a genius, to Da Vinci he's the reason why she stays in Chaldea, because she wants to help Doctor Roman.

>>151876929
You literally just described everything that happened to Olga. And once again, the characters and story shrug it off like it was nothing. This scene singlehandedly ruined Grand Order's story.

>>151876925
>but MC-kun saved him by being sent to the infirmary.
He wasn't sent to the infirmary, he was sent to his room where Roman was camping. So chances were Roman would get too late when he would have called anyway.

>>151877055
No it didn't fuck off.

>>151877055
Rome ruined Grand Order's story no one outside of /a/ and MAL is complaining about Olga's death no one in Japan even mourn her death they moved on and cried about Roman's death
>>151877084
In game it was the infirmary because he passed out for being a weak ass mage

>>151877019
Roman was still in Chaldea and Lev couldn't invade Chaldea anymore. He was killing everyone else, the singularity crashing would have killed him.

>>151877130
>In game it was the infirmary because he passed out for being a weak ass mage
Nasu kind of retconned it because his epilogue has MC recalling how he met Roman in his room, unless he was always In My Room.

>>151876974
A demon with a mission could simply kill everyone. A dumb anime villain would kill a pointless character and leave the main characters alone because they "are no threat" anyway.

>>151877051
OK well even if he had a little bit of suspicion of him, he should've acted on it rather than wasting his efforts on killing Olga if she posed no threat whatsoever.

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>>151876983
Ushiwakamaru is a treasure. 2017 Beach Event better include her.

>>151877151
>He was killing everyone else, the singularity crashing would have killed him.
On the contrary, he was killing a dead person and leaving those alive to their own chance.

>>151877203
>2017 Beach Event
I hope they give us another chance of getting swimsuit welfare Scathach though. I missed her the first time.

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>>151877203
She's a big girl

>>151877201
He did try to kill him, that's why he called him to the mission room where he would have gotten blown up. He killed everyone who have potentially dangerous.

Roman was delayed because he talked to MC Kun and the bomb exploded without him there. Which made Lev mad when he saw he was alive.

Anyway, it's better he didn't die there or there wouldn't be any Fate work any longer considering Goetia erased history and was remaking the planet and everything if it hadn't been for Roman stopping him.

>>151877242
They do reruns

>>151877232
>and leaving those alive to their own chance.
He said he was ending the Singularity, which would have killed Mashu and MC. They survived because of Roman.

>>151877091
Yes it fucking did.
>>151877130
It's not about mourning her death. It's mocking her death for being pointless and stupid.
Ans yeah people cried for Roman assuming people stuck around and not dropped it after the stupidity of Olga's death.

>>151877314
No one cares about Olga, inside the story or outside it.

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>>151877314
>Ans yeah people cried for Roman assuming people stuck around and not dropped it after the stupidity of Olga's death.
Nobody really dropped it for Olga. She wasn't anybody's waifu.

>>151877314
Why are you so mad? Get over it.

>>151877186
Couldn't have said it any better. Flauros is such a poorly written Looney Toons villain.

>>151877051
>Da Vinci
>she

Don't tell me the madmen did it again?

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>>151877313
Yes, but like I said. He went and killed the one who was already dead, and left the main characters on their own. Why take the course of action that maximized his risks and minimized his gains?

>>151870448
Low effort Nasu when they make him work for a mobile game.

>>151877394
Da Vinci messed around with his summoning ritual to be the Mona Lisa and he's gay.

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>>151877394
They did, except this time Da Vinci did it to himself because he wants to be as pretty as Mona Lisa.

>>151877346
I'm mad because it was fucking stupid and I wasted 2 hours of my life watching this shitty OVA.

>>151877345
It was the prologue though. It wouldn't be dropping, it would be not picking the game.

>>151877345
I think Merlin is one of the few new characters that I actually like. His design is nice too.

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>>151877394
This is Miyamoto Musashi

>>151877186
>>151877366
Flauros liked Mashu and sympathized with her. So he probably gave her a few seconds with senpai and removed the third wheel before they died.

Look, realistically speaking, no matter what they did, even if they survived and went singularity hunting, nothing they'll do was going to change the history and humanity incineration. The game made this clear. Goetia was unstoppable. Except for Solomon out of nowhere showing up, which was exactly what happened, they would be still doomed. Lev couldn't have fucking guessed Roman just happened to be Solomon after he wished to be a human which completely fucked them over.

>>151877332
>>151877345
Are you not even fucking getting what I'm saying?
Yes nobody cared when Olga died. Not even the characters or the story cared. THAT'S the fucking problem you shitheads.
Why give a character such a horrific death scene if the story, characters, and audience aren't even gonna care?
Do I have to spoonfeed this to you dipshits?

>>151877448
No one cares, stop wasting time of our life with your shitty opinion, I'd rather watch the OVA.

>>151877186
The most sadistic murders are the pointless ones. Like defiling someone's body after they're already dead, or in this case killing a character who already died. Demon psychopaths don't have fun by doing the logical thing.

And the MCs really are "no threat" in this case. It's not like other animes where the villain just underestimates the MC and MC ends up destroying him. If it weren't for the big Roman reveal in the final fight MC and Mashu still would have lost. Literally no one in universe saw that coming except for a few characters with clairvoyance and da Vinci. There was no way he could have foreseen that.

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>>151877394
Da Vinci is a guy, but turned himself into Mona Lisa.

>>151877509
Lets not forget Goetia already tried to kill the MC when he stared at them back in London. Dantes just saved them from death.

>>151877528
No one cares, don't you get it? No one cares about Olga to care that no one cares.

Only you care, get over it already.

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>Build a castle.
>She declares herself your Queen by default.
The fuck is her problem?

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It's kind of hilarious to think of how FGO's memetic writing will be looked back at in 5 years or so.

>Hey guys, remember than one time when King Solomon won the only Fuyuki Grail War, and chose to become a lazy human scientist in modern times?
>And when Primate Murder was raised by Merlin into a cute dog-squirrel, only to later sacrifice everything for a talking pair of tits he liked?
>Me neither

>>151877565
GO is canon.

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>>151877500
Ironically she's also the character that bitches about gender bending.

>>151877552
He didn't really 'try'. He just looked in his direction and that placed a curse. That wasn't 'trying'.

>>151877448
>Wasted 2 hours of his life watching OVA
>Now wasting his time talking about OVA on /a/

sasuga anon

>>151877565
Roman and Fou are the only good things with Da Vinci design and Arturia's tits.

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>>151877631
GO has plenty of great stuff.

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>>151877585
Sure, just like Prisma Illya is. Doesn't mean it'll ever be taken seriously or that its more ridiculous parts will be relevant to anything ever again.

>>151877586

Bitch about it how?

>>151877657
In Japan where it matters the most yeah it would be taken seriously, Every where else is a joke to Nasu since he only milked Fate because Japan told him to do it.

>>151877631
All of the things you mentioned are awful. GO has a few cool Servant designs, but Da Vince and even more dumb AU Artorias are certainly not it.

>>151877555
I DON'T FUCKING CARE YOU FUCKING STUPID FAGGOT.

I'M CALLING OUT THE STORY FOR BEING POORLY WRITTEN LOONEY TOONS SHIT.

CHRIST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S MORE RETARDED: GRAND ORDER'S STORY OR YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.

>>151877662
The Ushi she knows is a guy and she bitches because the Ushi in Chaldea is a girl.

>>151877662
Bitches that Ushiwakamaru isn't a hot bishounen samurai.

>>151877715
Everyone knows GO's story sucks, it's not worth getting angry over. Calm down, anon.

>>151877716

Funny. Be even funnier if a character had a like "WHAT THE FUCK I WAS MALE WHY AM I A GIRL" moment.

>>151877541
>The most sadistic murders are the pointless ones.
That really doesn't make any sense. Sadism has no correlation with pointlessness or meaningfulness. If he threw Olga, Mashu and MC on the black hole the impact on Roman would be much larger than just a character he was probably aware wasn't that important to anyone.

>And the MCs really are "no threat" in this case.
They are always "no threat", that's the point. Until they aren't and the villain is defeated. Would humanity win if Mashu and MC was killed right there? I assume no.

>>151877697
Literally who gives a shit what the japanese think, I'm not gonna be interacting with one anytime soon.

>>151877541
Well, Goetia has Solomon Clairvoyance but he was too stupid to see it, Merlin and Gil guessed it right, Holmes doubted him but I don't know if he realised Roman's identity.

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>>151877657
>Thinking Western opinion about Fate matters at all

>>151877757
>Literally who gives a shit what the japanese think
the people who write Fate? Retard.

>>151877715
It's not because nothing anyone did was going to make a difference. The only thing that did was Solomon being around which was something Lev couldn't have known. Flauros even says they had the time of their life laughing at their struggle.

Again their effort was in vain if Solomon hadn't been there.

>>151877757
Nasu and everyone in the anime industry does.

>>151870448
>Eternal pain
>Like dying for all the eternity
>Goes blank after a few seconds of shouting

That was the only thing I found disturbing, shouldn't she have shout from pain until she was completly sucked into the giant ball of nothingess?

>>151876977
See >>151871676

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>>151877759
I think the issue was that Goetia knew Solomon in life, and he knew he was an empty desireless system who wouldn't act unless he's commanded. He was full of himself thinking he had become Solomon in his place. He also never understood humanity.

Merlin and Gil are also assholes, but they are more connected to humanity than Goetia because they aren't a Beast like him. They know people can change.

She was kinda annoying. She seemed fine at the start, and when she showed up in Fuyuki I honestly thought it was her younger self or something. How can they expect me to care when they make her so annoying?

>>151877790
>>151877797
But it doesn't matter to me wether they takes this garbage seriously, because most of the world (people who I actually discuss it with) never will.
I don't care if that means they'll keep making more jewish waifushit (which is already happening), I'll just keep ignoring it like most people did with FGO and enjoy anime of pre-FGO shit, while waiting for Nasu to do something good again.

>>151877871
Spin off Caster Gil, Merlin and Solomon as flatmates like Jesus and Buddha when?

It can be called Clairvoyant Men.

>>151877747
>Sadism has no correlation with pointlessness or meaningfulness.
Sure it does. A completely logical course of action for a murderer would be to slit someone's throat and get out of the crime scene. A sadist would take pleasure in staying and defiling the corpse at risk to himself. Why should a demon take the totally logical route?

>They are always "no threat"
No, they're not. If the MC ends up killing the villain of his own power in the end, then they were never "no threat." Here, the MC doesn't kill the villain. Roman does. Goetia still would have won even with all the shit that MC did.

>>151877871
Well Merlin is a lazy neet who shitpost on the internet all day.
>>151877900
Ok have fun in death Nasu will never work on anything other than Fate ever again because Takeuchi is his boss and wants more Saber.

>>151877900
Then why are you posting in a thread about it? Idiot.

>>151876929
>Crushed by singularities correction
>blackened by chaos tide
Do these involve an eternity of suffering? If so, they're at best just as bad.

>killed by your most trusted friends for "necessities"
>erased from existence
I would take any of these any day over being paralyzed in agony for a duration of time unimaginably longer than it would take the universe to reach heat death several times over and then more. She will literally live to experience time on a scale beyond human comprehension, all the while being senselessly tortured. I don't think you realize how truly abominable that is.

It's just a matter of logic. If such a thing doesn't even have the slightest influence on the story, it means the writers had no idea what they were doing. Coupled to the fact that nothing else after it can possibly top it, it just makes the rest of the story pointless. All they had to do was simply kill her off, and it would have at least made the rest of the story somewhat credible.

>>151877929
MC does end up in a fist fight with Goetia and won so he killing a half dead Goetia

>>151872997
>I wondered why the flying fuck were they just WATCHING. They don't even give enough of a shit about her to try and save her.

Things would have been different if based Cu was still there.

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>>151870448
Are you guys ever gonna shut up about this

>>151877970
Well Goetia would have died anyway as his existence was disappearing and so was the dimension they were in. The punch was just a final "Fuck you"

>>151877971
Cu would've jobbed, Flauros in his demon form is too much for him to handle, Atilla can kill him because she's an alien super weapon that was suppose to destroy Earth.

>>151877974
Stop shitposting Magi*Mari.

>>151877900
Well I'm glad the designated representative to speak on behalf of most of the world is here. Sasuga anon.

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>>151877933
I don't really know senpai, I guess I just wanted to make sure FGOfags realize 100% that they're the ones helping jews kill this franchise.

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Still prefer GO's story over this trash.

>>151877929
>A sadist would take pleasure in staying and defiling the corpse at risk to himself. Why should a demon take the totally logical route?
Did you see the example? If he was angry at Roman, he should have chosen a way to actually hurt him instead. Like throwing all three in the black hole. But now we are discussing about characters being whimsical and pointless when the purpose was purely a combination of trying to get some cheap impact on viewers while making it so the important characters are left completely without effort.

>No, they're not. If the MC ends up killing the villain of his own power in the end, then they were never "no threat."
It's the same as always. Main character was a lvl 1 kid, how could the villain ever expect he would actually become the legendary hero lvl999 chosen by the gods as the only one who can wield the sacred sword that can beat the villain. Just cheap cliches.

>>151878076
Why does everyone hate Apocrypha?

>>151878098
Sieg.

>>151878076
Yeah, well, in the near future one is getting a fully adapted into an animated TV series and the other is not.

>>151878115
Explain further

>>151878076
Nah, at least it's mostly fun until it fumbles in the ending. FGO is a turd with a handful of golden nuggets mixed in. I'd rather the former.

>>151878098
Because none of the characters in that key visual is actually the main character.

>>151878075
And? It's Nasu's job to make cash for TypeMoon.

Darn, I was going to watch this but if there's a bunch of edgy "suffering just to have suffering" going on I'll probably not bother.

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>>151878075
> just wanted to make sure FGOfags realize they're killing this franchise.

Mission accomplished!

>>151877970
Literally anyone could have taken his place there, but let's suppose Hassan could make Goetia mortal like Tiamat and by some genkidama asspull with all Servants trying to fight him, he's killed (nevermind the game literally said nobody could beat him), this still wouldn't have changed the fact history was incinerated and humans are gone outside Chaldea. Only Solomon's removing the miracles and legend of King Solomon as "agent of God on Earth" (note: this is a special clarification, nobody actually notices - his soul was not erased or anything like that, nobody in Japan thought so- he removed the miracles to leave the age of man and reason as the legacy of love he has for humans and free will, hence his name Doctor Romantic, of Romanticism which praises free will vs Goetia who wanted to impose a fate and choices on men) could have undone the damage that has been done.

>>151878098
Astolfo ruined the story

Mashu? More like mashed potatoes

>>151878036
Altera literally backstabbed him. Lev still survived that.

>>151876326
> Nightingale
At least i think so.

Otherwise, Command Seal usage.

>>151877745
actually, in her world, she was born as a girl.

But when summoned to Chaldea, the Musashi of where Chaldea is, a male.

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>>151877398

>>151878160
And? I don't care if Nasu is making more or less, I care if he makes worthwhile stuff. When he wastes time on shit like this for maximum profit, you just know he doesn't really care anymore.

>>151878234
But if it makes money then it proves that's what people want.

>>151878234
This is worthwhile stuff to him, blame the fact that Mahoyo do so bad in sales expectation that it caused of all this in the first place.

>>151878088
>the only one who can wield the sacred sword that can beat the villain
Are you being purposefully this dense? The MC doesn't beat the villain and could never have beaten the villain. Lev was 100% right that this guy was not going to be the one to defeat him.

>>151878161
Even if it didn't have the edge it's not worth watching at all.

>>151877970
Why doesn't Goetia body jack Gudao?

>>151876464
>>151876522
>>151876551
But he's flirting with a cute girl, why do you call him gay?

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>>151878116
Actually, Next Order was confirmed with First Order, for Fate/Grand Order.

They just didn't have a teaser because they teased it already during the ending sequence of the 1hour long OVA.

>>151878251
>>151878260
Of course, the fault is on Japanese otakus and western waifufags who don't particularly give a shit about Type-Moon and just want a good fap. I never claimed otherwise.

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>>151878283
>a cute girl

>>151877500
Why is there no art of her braining assassin Kojiro

>>151878325
>western waifufags who don't particularly give a shit about Type-Moon and just want a good fap
Uh-huh.

>>151877757
>Literally who gives a shit what the japanese think
retard

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>>151877203

>>151878262
Wasn't he a piece on his downfall? The story would end the same if he killed he and Mashu there? Was not killing them the wise decision?

>>151878325
Of course!

>>151877715
Ahahahahaa this dude is mad online, what an idiot.

>>151878325
>western waifufags
They don't count as a fanbase for Type-Moon stuff no one buys TM stuff people who read the VNs had to pirate the english translation and Nasu got pissy enough to kill the EVO stream of Melty Blood because they were probably pirated copies

>>151878436
Dr. Roman refused our offer in favor of yours. We ought to find out what he told you!

>>151876342
Sounds like you don't watch liveleak regularly.

Desensitization is a hell of a thing.

>>>/vg/164694162

>>151878345
>>151878478
They still play the game, adding to its userbase, and many pay for quartz. Those are the kind of retards on this thread.

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>>151878515
Nothing, I said nothing

>>151878528
You're right, I don't.

>>151878559
Okay.

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>>151877631
>Edison
>Helena
>Danganronpa memeing
>Team America and how it built up Karna's character more
That's all I can think of for good things from GO

>>151878161
Her death is literally the only "suffering just to have suffering" scene in the entire OVA

>>151878559
So I guess you're one too huh.

>People complaining about GO
>We are not even in Septem

Here we go leddit :d

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>>151878658
>Y-you too!

>>151878430
>If he had killed them then he wouldn't have been able to get any entertainment from their struggle. Like I said, Goetia and Flauros are having fun with this. The thing that kills him was not something that he could have predicted, and no one could have predicted it unless they have clairvoyance.

>>151871575

I thought she was a hybrid of Rin and Luvia?

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Olga's canon death was a mercy compared to her Riyo fate.

>>151870448
I thought I had found my waifu and then those bastard killed her like that.

>>151878590
Here's some advice, by around the tenth beheading you don't really care anymore.

Chinese killing dogs still upsets me, but I go out of my way to avoid those.

>>151878713
Yes, but the point is valid for any villain. There is not any villain that leaves the main characters alive (they obviously don't know who is a main character in-world) that would predict that they'd be key parts in their defeat. If they did know, they would have killed them unless they really want to lose.

But the point is that they left someone who is known to be on the opposition alive for basically no reason.

>>151878648
Did she get sent to the shadow realm?

>>151878837
Being stalked and attempted rape isn't that bad

>>151877653
Who is that pirate qt?

>>151878837

What girl has Gudako not tried to molest yet?

>>151878979
Mary and Annie the lesbian pirates

>>151878837
>>151878956
But Olga was killed in Riyo comic, Gudako just pulled her soul out

>>151877653
Is it scanned yet?

>>151876983
>>151877203
>>151878405
I don't get it.
Does food have anything to do with summer?

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>>151878979
Anne Bonny & Mary Read. FGO's dynamic slut duo. They're gay as hell.

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>>151878930
>Unironically watching this shit and enjoying it
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>151877653
>>151879101
Reminder there is only 3cms of height difference

>>151879101
>Slut duo
>Gay as hell
Nah they're just Bi like in real life.

>>151875710
And then there was Red Dragon, where he beheaded a side character for shits and giggles, then never mentions it again.

>>151879133
I did it to feel something, anything.

Now I feel nothing.

>>151878949
I see what you're saying, but the only solution to that is to never have final boss and MC meet before the conclusion ever. If there was ever a valid reason for leaving someone alive in an initial meeting (by now I suppose it's obvious you don't think there's ever a valid reason), it is that you know that this guy will literally never be able to beat you, but you enjoy seeing him try. And that decision is shown to be true, it's just that Goetia got screwed over by the dead guy whose body he took over thousands of years later because no one could guess what Solomon's Grail wish really was.

>>151870448
Urobuchi was assuming direct control. Only explanation I have for that over the top ridiculous scene. Nasu usually doesn't relish pointless death scenes that don't really do anything but establish "HEY THIS CHARACTER IS A REAL MEANY YOU GUYS", but I guess he's getting old.

Like even when Nrvnqsr devoured that entire hotel, they were largely faceless mooks that the narrative didn't even bother to establish as characters, it wasn't like you got to know any of them just enough to be interested, and then they get slaughtered as the other characters just sort of watch on in minor amusement. Really out of place.

>>151872997
She was already dead, doofus.

>>151875710
Nasu also can do that, even in FGO. Look at Camelot or Last Singularity. He just didn't care about Olga.

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>>151879304

>>151870448
I'm glad she died, whiny ass bitch

>>151876498
>That Design
Okay you know what I quit Type moon.

What excuses is Nasu using for the genderbending now? Chaldea ran out of male servant containers or something?

>>151879731
Depends on which instance of genderbending you're referring to.

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>>151879731
Literally. Infinite universes + incorrect historical records + magic doesn't have to explain shit you.

>>151879785
>Jeanne d'Arc chopping vegetables
>holds the knife in her left hand
SINISTRA

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>>151879785
>tfw you will never do sweet, gentle, and vanilla mana transfers with Boudica as she tries to cook dinner while in an apron.

>>151879860
She probably shouldn't be wearing her armor in the kitchen either.

How big are Mashu's Mashu's? Sometimes I see them be mid tier and sometimes they are in cow tit territory.

Was it really that horrific? People actually cared about her?

>>151879314
There are many ways to do that. Easy way is having a villain that doesn't kill indiscriminately, but they made the point to show that the villain did exactly that.

Or the villain has no reason to kill someone, but here he already incapacitated or killed all masters but one and was wasting time slowly "killing" someone who didn't matter.

Or the villain literally can't, in this case if Mashu could hold against him. Which was an option, but they probably didn't want to make him seem less powerful.

Or even if the villain has motives not to want to do that, backstory together, they aren't opposing yet, or following the laws, or the villain has plans for them, public opinion...

It's just stupid to have a villain make a grand performance at killing someone irrelevant and leave alone those that actually matter for no particular reason. And to expect that it shows "seriousness" in any way is even more stupid.

>>151879921

At least as big as Sakura's.

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>>151879921
Take a guess.

>>151879944
Nobody gave a shit about Olga until last weekend, then suddenly a bunch of waifufags attached themselves to her because she has a voice now.

>>151880021
Well I would if Takeuchi wasn't fucking shit at drawing. Remember how Sakura's breast size? She was never a cow tit until recently. It looked like she had either a C or D before.

>>151879944
>>151880060
Nothing is stupider than idiots who think this. The complains are not coming from waifufags but writing fags. They all deemed her death as horrible writing and not must shitpost about it.

>>151880060
That seems logical considering most people on /a/ aren't playing japanese only mobage games, while many people would watch an anime with Fate on the name.

>>151880124
For it to actually be bad writing it would have to exist as more than a line or two of dialogue, as it is it's basically nothing, but they tell us it's super duper bad!

>>151880060
I don't even understand how anyone can like her. She was fucking useless the entire time.

>>151879944
See
>>151877947

>>151880235
She was only used to explain summoning servants in game.

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>>151880021
Raping Mashu.

>>151879972
So she is an E cup?

>>151880235
The anime cut down drastically on her griping and bitching throughout Fuyuki, which had the effect of making her more appealing. They also excised Mashu trying to warn Olga that something was seriously wrong with Lev, and Olga ignoring those warnings.

>>151880499
I didn't understand what they said in the game, but it was obvious she was always mad and biting her nails. I thought that was cute.

>>151870448
I find that scene really hot and fapped to her suffering.

>>151870448
Is there a webm of it?

>>151879958
>if the villain has motives not to want to do that
>the villain has plans for them
Yeah, the plan is that he wanted to enjoy watching them struggle. And he has the perfect setup to do that - Chaldea is crippled, all masters except for the one most useless master is incapacitated or dead, the only servant they have access to is not even a real servant and doesn't know how to be a real servant, and the highest ranking member left is a random doctor who likes slacking off. There is literally no better setup to watch someone struggle against you in futility than that.

And we know the demon wants to watch us struggle because he says as much in the game, but also because here we see that he takes pleasure in killing someone who is already dead. There is no logical reason to do that, he just likes the suffering.

It's only stupid if you don't get it.

>>151879944
>Was it really that horrific?

No, it's just retards who are flipping out over them misunderstanding what happened to Olga.

She's just dead for good instead of returned to cycle of rebirth, which ultimately isn't much of a difference for mortals who aren't going to be summoned as Heroic Spirits anyway so her soul would just get washed away and recycled. However people like >>151880239 want to bitch about something, so they keep going on about that misreading because it gives them an excuse to bitch about it.

>>151872264
> To make the situation seem hopeless.
but their leader was fucking useless, Romani is so much better than she could've ever been it just makes her more pathethic in retrospect
and then they get da vinci chan as a shopkeep
and around 10 minues in the next arc they get like 3 servants that help them like Cu did

>>151872201
Yes, Fuyuki is the tutorial stage/prologue
Although it does last around 2 hours of gameplay, give or take, and there are more scenes, also involving her.

>>151879958
>It's just stupid to have a villain make a grand performance at killing someone irrelevant and leave alone those that actually matter for no particular reason

They don't matter either as far as he knows. Literally everything you do throughout the entire story would not have mattered in the end without the intervention of something else Goetia could not have even known was even a possibility. Goetia is barely paying attention to any this, it's already working on something else while the individual pillars are doing their own thing with the knowledge that even if they fail it doesn't change shit. That's the whole reason the truth is kept hidden until the every end, the only reason Chaldea wasn't nuked completely from day one was because they were banking on the fact that Goetia could not have known you were ever a threat until it was too late.

>>151881145
>like 3 servants
Jeanne, Mozart, Marie, Liz, Kiyo, D'Eon, Sigfried, Martha and George are a lot more than 3

>>151881223
>Sigfried
Sumanai he's useless

>>151877947
>Do these involve an eternity of suffering?

Neither does this one. You realize your whole post is you sperging over a misreading, right?

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>>151876498
>Being a prude.
>Confusing the Emperor with some island chieftain.
TITE
AFFER·MIHI·CRUCEM

>>151880850
>Yeah, the plan is that he wanted to enjoy watching them struggle.
First he was in a bad mood and took it on Olga to take over the top and pointless revenge for Roman being alive, but he liked Mashu and MC enough to "give them a few seconds" until the singularity close. Now he actually wanted them alive in the first place to struggle and entertain him during his plan (until he lost of course).

>It's only stupid if you don't get it.
You can always read too much to find "deepness" in characters doing stupid and pointless stuff for cheap impact with no build up or consequences to the story.

>>151877733
>Everyone knows GO's story sucks
no no, i had guys telling me it had deep meanings and great writing, that people subjected themselves to hour of mobage grind for the great dark fantasy fate story

>>151881239
Well yeah, if i recall is Marie the one who sacrifices herself to kill Fafnir or some shit.

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>>151880021
>Fighting while wearing heels

>>151881223
at the beginning you only get followed by Jannu, Amadeus and Marie
the others join much later on

>>151881334
Let me ask you one thing: do those guys telling you have a job and a stable relationship?

>>151881471
let me ask you one thing: do you know where you are?

>>151881321
Well I'm not that anon, so that's not my point of view.

>You can always read too much to find "deepness" in characters doing stupid and pointless stuff for cheap impact with no build up or consequences to the story.
Or you can choose to ignore the build up and consequences and then say there's no build up or consequences.

See I can suspend my disbelief for anything, but the one thing I want more like the real world in any story that will have it is the randomness of people dying.

Like just once I want a well written story that could some incorporate someone of actual importance dying by choking on dinner.

>>151881471
>posting in a board for little girls
>being smug about having something like a "job"
fuck off, ogi-san

>>151881429
She just stays back to hold off Sanson, Jeanne Alter, and Fafnir so everyone else can run away.

>>151881197
Why kill all master then? Certainly he doesn't care about things that matter though, killing ghosts with large shows. And why decide that it's good with some masters right after?

But the point is that, it's the same as always. Villains don't see threat in main characters so they leave them alone even when they are clear opposed to him, and sometimes the writer add throwaway characters to show the villain is "serious",but then he isn't that much serious by being a whimsical killer while still leaving his true enemies alive to "struggle for his entertainment",

>>151881519
What's the build up and consequence of that scene then?

>>151881470
Doesn't D'Eon and Mozart comes with a 3x1 pack with Marie?
Then you find Martha, Siegfried and George looking for dragon killers
And Liz was trying to become a idol or that was in America

>>151881519
her death left no consequences to the story
Romani is a better leader than her in every possible way and her death has no emotional repercussions on ANYONE that isn't Romani, and even he isn't exactly crying over it, just gives a throwaway line once in a while

and the buildup was just Lef showing up, she didn't get sniped out of the blue while they were talking but that doesn't make it any less sudden

>>151881663
D'Eon, Mozart and Sanson make up some sort of harem around Marie, but d'Eon and Sanson are hostile in Orleans.

>>151881663
i don't think you get d'eon together with amadeus and marie
also siegfried is a bit further than "5 minutes into the arc", you might be confused with when you kill berserker saint martha, which is a bit earlier (but not super early in the arc)

>>151877662
She's actually from a alternative timeline where she actually is a girl.

>>151871676
>>151872181
>>151877862
>>151875525
>>151875612
>>151876342
>>151877947
>>151876589
>>151876781

Holy fucking shit you people are still chimping out over something that isn't even true?

The fucking ball just disassembles her down to the molecular level.

人間が触れれば分子レベルで分解される地獄の具現だ。遠慮なく、生きたまま無限の死を味わいたまえ。

"Taste infinite deaths" is just a fancy purple prose referring to the fact that it'll just keep breaking her remains into smaller bits forever. Taking 生きたまま as "you will remain eternally conscious forever like this" instead of the much more obvious "while you live (which is not gonna be long)" is so idiotic I have to wonder if you're all doing this on purpose. You can't even take that literally since she's not even actually alive even before that, her remaining lifespan was counted in the minutes anyway since her body was already dead and her consciousness would fade with it.

The line before it is him wondering if it's better to compare it to a sun or a black hole before shrugging since he's just being flamboyant. Only reason he does it is because he thought it was funny that she'd get ripped apart by her own all-important machine.

It's not even REMOTELY the most fucked up death in the game and over a year and a half of the game's existence, nobody flipped out about Olga being consigned to any sort of eternal torment. This is the first time there's been a shitstorm over this, probably because some of you really want that endorphin rush from being angry and are deliberately looking for something to sperg out over.

They just watched most of Chaldea's staff being murdered, that's why Olgamarie's death is not particularly more traumatizing since there's otherwise nothing more especially horrid about it than being exploded to bits.

>>151881679
How does anyone know that Roman is a better leader though? We know that because the story is now finished, but to everyone else he is just a random doctor who no ones takes seriously. Multiple servants make light of him at multiple points throughout the story. To everyone at the time, the director and leader of the whole operation just died.

And the buildup was Lev planning the whole thing. He planned for everyone to be in the control room when the bomb went off, which mostly worked. He was even keeping tabs on attendence and called Roman to the room when he saw that he wasn't there. He also knew it would take him exactly 2 minutes or whatever to get there from his medical office. He just didn't account for screwup MC and lazy doctor. Then when he showed up we know that the explosion wasn't just an accident, it was a betrayal. And who better to further that theme than the director who had complete trust in and looked up to Lev?

Considering that this was meant to be a self-contained tutorial level, that's a lot of buildup.

>>151881620
>Why kill all master then?

Because the incineration of history needed to happen. It's not just Chaldea, the whole world was wiped out and Chaldea was just one of the components needed to mess up the age's foundation enough to have it all go tits up. The fact that you're going back and undoing it each time is irrelevant since Goetia already got what it wanted out of it. You can't reverse shit exploding in 2015 because it's not a singularity you can Ley Shift to.

>leaving his true enemies

There is only one true enemy for Goetia and it doesn't even know it exists.

>>151882084
He probably meant there was no foreshadowing to her being dead all along, or for her sudden over the top trans-dimensional re-execution, when the villain had no reason not to do that, in the same way he had no reason to left everyone else alone.
>>151882164
Sure, true enemies in the sense of "being powerful enough to enable his defeat". They are still true enemies in the sense of being the main mechanism for the opposing plan to fix history. Sure, he might want to defeat them but just not too much, since it would be boring, and then eventually gets defeated by the sum of events that could've been prevented at that point. Nothing original or deep in that, just a normal overpowered villain setting up his own defeat by the underdogs.

>>151881679
>Romani is a better leader than her in every possible way

Which nobody, least of all Roman, had any idea about. Nobody expected Roman to take the lead or be any good at it, especially not Roman. It's a good while before everyone realizes that you're all kinda doing a competent job of the whole thing since you're all winging it.

Also, Olgamarie is better acquaintance with most of the facilities and at that point and is better at responding to the crisis. The only reason some of the people in the Coffins survived is that she shouted at him to turn on the life support mode while he was panicking wondering what to do about them.

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>>151880994
>>151881272
>Neither does this one. You realize your whole post is you sperging over a misreading, right?
I'd be ok with that, I just can't see it in the quotes from >>151875612 and the dialogue from the anime.

>生きたまま無限の死を味わいたまえ
>Ikita mama mugen no shi wo ajiwai tamae
It makes the whole "experiencing living infinite death" pretty explicit to me. If it wasn't for the "living" part of it, I'd actually agree that she was just eternally dead as opposed to eternally dying.

But then >>151882039 does make a good and detailed point so I guess I did get it wrong. I actually like that explanation a lot better.

>>151882322
>Sure, true enemies in the sense of "being powerful enough to enable his defeat". They are still true enemies in the sense of being the main mechanism for the opposing plan to fix history. Sure, he might want to defeat them but just not too much, since it would be boring, and then eventually gets defeated by the sum of events that could've been prevented at that point. Nothing original or deep in that, just a normal overpowered villain setting up his own defeat by the underdogs.

Do you have an actual response that isn't repeating the same thing over and over?

You didn't raise to find a weakpoint it did not anticipate. Its weakpoint was the only thing that was not in range and he knew nothing about. All of this is you just going on like a pretentious twat.

>>151882322
> there was no foreshadowing to her being dead all along

Well, we didn't see anyone alive except for Mashu in the control room when MC ran in. But after shifting they find Olga Marie is there and somehow completely unhurt. The only way that could happen is if it was only her spirit that shifted.

>>151882449
>It makes the whole "experiencing living infinite death" pretty explicit to me.

Except 無限 and 永遠 are not the same bloody thing at all and if you think that's anywhere near a clear translation, you're using google translate. The overly literal translation of the phrase is "Without reservations, while alive, taste infinite death."

>If it wasn't for the "living" part of it, I'd actually agree that she was just eternally dead as opposed to eternally dying.

She's not "eternally dead" either. That's not a translation, it's making shit up. The black hole keeps disassembling the elementary particles that compose her form forever, that's what it means. If this were about an "eternal state", the word, again, would be 永遠. There's absolutely nothing to indicate she'll be conscious forever, nor any possible explanation for how that'd be possible considering she was about to fade into nothing in a matter of minutes anyway.

>>151882039
>It's not even REMOTELY the most fucked up death in the game
it's the first fucked up death that is in a complete whole level of fuckeupness compared to the other deaths, which were all (aside from offscreen explosion) just barely sentient shadow people going up in puff of smokes, and then Cu basically saying "see you later" to MC
>They just watched most of Chaldea's staff being murdered
no, MC at worst saw a bunch of dead people while rushing to Mash, he didn't see anyone screaming in pain as she was being decomposed
and if the reason he doesn't care about Olga is because he didn't know her well, how would a bunch of guys whose name he didn't even know compare to someone he just went through his first battlefield experience with?
>>151882084
> o everyone at the time, the director and leader of the whole operation just died.
to everyone who? to the nameless chaldea staff that barely exists in the story or to the actual characters that saw Olga being an annyoing useless thing while Romani was actually helping while not even being there?
and im assuming when people criticize Romani the first thought is about how the useless womanchild would totally have done a better job, right?
> the buildup was Lev planning the whole thing.
which we only knew about right before Olga got chaldeas'd, so again, not much time
buildup to Olga being actualy dead was since MC saw control room being on fire and Romani later stating it was alost impossible to survive, but Olga being already dead isn't the same as Olga dying while screaming for daddy as she's slowly decomposed
and if Olga had just disappeared when Romani leyshiften everyone back to base, instead of the shit written scene we got, i don't think there would be people criticizing it much now
it was badly written shock value, i'm aware there's a bunch of people that are way too obsessed with this one character, but i'm still unsure why anyone would defend this scene

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>>151882039
>It's not even REMOTELY the most fucked up death in the game
Oh man, if people are bitching this hard about a secondary character designed to be killed, i wonder how will they react to Nero and Tamamo deaths

>>151880804
I dunno, check /wsg/.

>>151882540
The more logical explanation would be her being transported first though, and maybe there were more people somewhere. I really doubt someone would see that scene and think that was a girls soul materialize, or expect that following death with no purpose.

>>151882322
>He probably meant there was no foreshadowing to her being dead all along

She was unable to Ley Shift before yet inexplicably made it through. Mashu is the only person conscious when you enter the control room and she only survives her wounds thanks to Galahad, yet you find Olgamarie completely unharmed after shifting.

"Foreshadowing" is when you want to hint at something you wouldn't know otherwise. This is the opposite: something that should be obvious if you stopped to think about it, but you don't because you're distracted by what's going on on a first viewing. It's the fucking 6th Sense twist.

>>151882866
>The more logical explanation would be her being transported first though

The Unsummon program doesn't boot until you're in the control room.

>I really doubt someone would see that scene and think that was a girls soul materialize

The whole point of a twist is that it shouldn't be obvious on a first viewing.