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Are you ready to find out why Sakura is so loved/hated?

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Are you ready to find out why Sakura is so loved/hated?
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>>151778110
>why Sakura is so loved/hated?
easy: she's the canon wife
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>>151779029
>canon slut
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I know I am. Who is this, why are people so pissed at her? If she's Rin's sister why do they not act like sisters or even have the same hair color?

Watching UBW 3 years ago was so weird with these questions burning in me
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>>151779111
She's been getting raped by her brother for three years.
Her taking care off him at the end of UBW shows that she has stockholm syndrome.
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>>151778110
I already fapped to the wormpit scene in F/Z.
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I'm not a filthy secondary, I already know why.
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>>151778110
Are there really secondaries here who don't know at this point? Holy shit, just read the VN.
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>>151779111
>UBW was 3 years ago.
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>>151779161
Wow, and I thought I couldn't dislike Shinji more then I already did. I swear it's always people named Shinji who turn out to be some form of terrible. Haruko, Weeber, Eva Shinji,
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>there are anons who died before they could see HF adapted
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>le edgy yandere broken victim nympho waifubait

Fate was never good
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>>151778110
Heaven's Feel was always my favourite route, but so much of what I liked about it is stuff we won't get to see like the bad ends and the porn actually being relevant for once in a porn game.
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>>151779161
>>151779304
Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.
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>>151779342
Go to bed, Shinji.
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>>151779029
This.

Nothing cuts deeper than the truth.
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>>151779342
This desu senpai
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You know, I wonder how they'll change the sex stuff. It's rather too infamous now to be completely reconned out and the attempts by the all ages version of the game were laughable at best and cringe at worst. I think it's Nasu's fault for being dumb and implimenting the sex into the story like semen being mana fuel, Karen being the church's bike, Bazett whoring herself ofr jobs and Sakura litterally needing sex to live. They're teenagers why not just make them act like horny teenagers normally do? For a broken person Shirou was a pervy little son of a bitch.Oh, and there's the scrapped IIya scene where she would rape Shirou's corpse while his still alive disembodied head was forced to watch and that time she tied him to a chair in her room and sat on his crouch suggestively.
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I forgot that Shirou literally grafts Archa's arm onto himself during Heaven's Feel.
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>>151779496
Sausuga Nasu
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>>151779519
Who cares. It's all just shit Nasu made up ad hoc as needed by Shirou at that point in the plot and then he made it work afterwards
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>>151779496
>the scrapped IIya scene where she would rape Shirou's corpse while his still alive disembodied head was forced to watch
Fucking kek, that would be great actually.
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>>151779496
I can deal with mana being an energy of life, its transfer during sex would be a given.

I just can't stand penis worms.
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>>151779304
I'm pretty sure Shinji is the only character in Heaven's Feel to not have any sort of sympathetic, humanizing moment.
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>>151779029
>she's the canon wife
Best pairing.
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>>151779619
Funnily enough they're quite likely to censor the former but show the latter.
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>>151779496
>illya will never rape your headless body and force you to watch.
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>>151779637
He does in the new manga.
Shinji had a hard life.
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Am I the only one who expects this to flop? The reason the franchise is popular is because of the servants, the lore and the fights, not alot of people are gonna give a fuck about the humans stuff, Saber doesn't have alot of screen time or role in this story and Rin gets dicked by some random clock tower scrub. Not trying to trash the route but you gotta look at it from a marketing point. Maybe that's why they started producing 3 other fate products with a saber in them this year
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>>151779818
>Am I the only one who expects this to flop?
Yes.
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>>151779637
>>151779783
http://raw.senmanga.com/Fate-Stay-Night-Heaven's-Feel/20/12
Hopefully some of this makes it into the movies.

>>151779818
No, people gave a fuck about FSN long before FZ brought over the "muh battle royale" retards. And yes, they have Apocrypha for that crowd this year. Also HF will have that ufotable production that a lot of secondaries watch the series for.
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What even happens in Heaven's Feel?

I only remember the last boss fight.
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>>151779818
Sakura x Shirou dramatic story is enough to make it a big success.
Japanese are suckers for true love stuff.
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>>151779818
The series was popular before Grand Order anon.
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>>151779912
>Assassin and Zouken start fucking everyone up
>Sakura's past is revealed and Shirou decides to protect her, but because of that they can't do shit against Zouken
>everything blows up in the last couple of days
First couple of movies will be fun thrillers/love stories with lots of Kirei and Illya scenes, 3rd will have the best fights in the series.
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>>151779912

Well it really all begins with Shirou reminding Zouken he exists so now he can use him as a threat to make Sakura do what he wants, in Fate and UBW Sakura wouldn't do what Zouken wanted because Zouken had no real power over her since he didn't remember Shirou.

That's it, Shirou acting out of character to be a horny white night teenager sets off one of the most controversial stories in the entire franchise right up there with him being a hardcore conservative charater in the Fate route with it's out of character Saber love story.
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>>151779818
Your wrong. 2 words:

Illyia
Kirei
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>>151779896
I think it's more just the tone that Zero went for, which is really all backed by Kiritsugu's actions.

So when people off of Zero move into Stay Night, they're taken aback by the SoL elements.
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>>151779997
Prisma IIIya has basically taken away every IIyafag and unless they greatly expand kirei's screentime for more jobbing memes that won't matter either.

I sure hope Sakura's VA is ready for the stream of hate mail she's gonna get once newbies start hating her character like the rest of the fanbase. There's not a single likable trait in Sakura that makes you want to root for her in Heaven's Feel and morso she's more of a plot ticket than a character. You could replace her with a magical stone and the story wouldn't be all that different
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>>151780038
We love Sakura absolutely and unconditionally tho, just like Shirou.
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>>151779304
>Disliking Shinji
Shit taste.
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>>151780016
Zero's tone is basically following after HF though, so that much is covered for sure.

>>151780038
You're an idiot. It's amazing how everything you just said is plain wrong.
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>>151779896
>they have Apocrypha for that crowd

That crowd will fuck off when moral fags Jeanne and Seig and cute boy Astolfo take the majority of screen time.
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>>151780066
>mfw Shinji is the first character outside of Shirou and Sakura to appear in an HF PV

ufotable knows what they're fucking doing. I can't wait.
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>>151779161
>She's been getting raped by her brother for three years.
Shinji is the only reason she didn't crack for so long. His support is what kept her form going over the edge. Imagine how much more shitty her life would be if Shinji wasn't around. It would just be her and Zouken and she would never even meet Shirou.
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>>151780161
Didn't Zouken order her to spy on Shirou, though? Or was that after the war had begun?
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>>151779945
Saber x Shirou is true love though.
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>>151780068
Either prove what I said is wrong or kindly shut the fuck up,anon. I've been with this fucking franchise for 10 years and I know they hate Sakura, everybody sane can't stand her or her parts in Heaven's feel, she's litteral poison and I know from Tales of Zestira's experience that fans hold a grudge, thinking Sakura's VA better be prepared for hate directed towards her isn't wrong and finally, Prisma IIya gives the IIyafags want they wanted, a happy story for her, seeing her suffer here will just make them gravitate towards the spin off even more.
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>>151780173
No. I don't he ever did, actually.
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Does Shinji finally become Lancer in HF?
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When?
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>>151780173
Pretty sure that was on her own. She wanted to know if Shirou would be involved in the war or not.
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>>151779818
>Am I the only one who expects this to flop?
I agree with you. This is definitely flopping at least until the last movie.
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>>151780216
Never, hopefully
Fate a shit
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>>151780204
Yep. Why do you think he survives Gae Bolg so easily in UBW? He has a natural affinity towards it thanks to his other life in Ulster.
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>>151780185
What are you talking about? Some of the best moments in HF are with Illya.
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>>151780238
It's the true end though, Shirou and Artoria will be fuck like rabbits forever in Avalon.
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>>151780038
People will still be in denial. Making it a 3 movie thing killed it even more.
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>>151780233
>t.hasn't read the VN in 5 years
There's plenty of crazy shit happening to keep viewer's attention in the first 2 movies, and all the dragged out bits will be easily cut down thanks to the movie format. People often forget how good the rest of the route is due to how the last 2 days are simply the best in all of Fate.
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>>151780256
Shirou having some sort of computer meltdown upon seeing something like this will never not weird me out. It was like he couldn't comprehend what was in front of him

It probably won't be animated just like his considering of killing Rin if she dare makes a move against Caster while she's holding Taiga hostage.
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>>151780285
Faggot. It would be literally impossible to adapt in any less than 3 movies wihout a DEEN UBW tier trainwreck. You better hope they're 2 hours each minimum too.
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>>151780318
Yeah, Nasu gets fucking weird sometimes. It's a shame no adaptations will able to capture how much of a fucking madman Shirou can be, really.
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>>151780297
>There's plenty of crazy shit happening to keep viewer's attention in the first

Stopped reading right there. You are wrong.
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>>151780322
90 mins max, thats standard and with 3 movies they don't have to overexert themselves.
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>>151780370
>t.hasn't read the VN in 5 years
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>>151780370
This, it's nothing but Shirou being the worst detective ever, Sakura either trying to horribly pretend nothing is wrong with her, a mind numbing playing house sigment or complaing about how powerless and useless she is with a small hint of the insanity slowly gripping her body, but since this is Ufotable we probably won't get to see Sakura's fucked up thoughts of raping Shirou when he's home messed up from Lancer or wanting to cripple him so he can't get hurt by her mean old sister or those servants anymore. We probably won't get those creepy scenes with the shadow either. Hell, we'll be lucky if the first movie ends with Lancer losing to Asassain and Caster going insane.
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>>151779335
This. The porn actually has a place on it and its not sugarcoated or mindless fanservice. I hope we get some of the bad ends in the Blu Ray, at the very least Spark Liner's High.
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>>151780459
>wanting to cripple him so he can't get hurt
She literally says that out loud at one point, and it also follows immediately after Shirou losing an arm when Rider shows up.

>those creepy scenes with the shadow either
You mean like 20% of what the 1st and 2nd movies will be?

>Hell, we'll be lucky if the first movie ends with Lancer losing to Asassain and Caster going insane.
You realize those are two separate events that happen quite far apart, right? And it's almost certain it will end with Rider saving Shirou.

Really, this comment just clarifies that you really don't know how the route is structured and which parts would be cut for the movie.
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>>151779029
I love it, personally.
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How will distribution work?

Are we going to deal with waiting for it to hit theaters, then blu-ray?
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>>151778110
She has the personality of a piece of white bread, which is out of her hands for the most part.
She's polarizing because she's the canonical one but is somehow more boring than Saber. She only has ONE good scene; in the Rain, which will hopefully end the 1st movie.
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>>151780533
Yes. Fuck my life. Unless you live in some big US cities or Germany, which get screenings from Aniplex sometimes.
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>>151780565
>>151779029
>she's the canonical one

She's not though? Like, that's not how canon works with TM.
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You know with how Luvia got a last episode cameo? I hope we get more clock tower hijinks showing that they went through with Rin's idea to compete in a money tournament because they all have such broken ass abilities now.

I just want some Sakura and Luvia interaction even if it;'s brief.
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>>151780594
Well yeah, but the "natural progression" of Shirou's character ends in HF, so you could say that narratively she is his ultimate "choice". It's not that clear cut though.
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>>151780594
Shirou lusts after her before the game even starts, and for all intents and purposes she's the winner during the last and most climactic route in the game.
Saber and Rin succeed also, but this route is the most definitive end for Shirou and the grail war itself.
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>>151780602
I really doubt they'll have time for all that, I just hope we get the actual full trial scene with Rin at the end, with Zelretch appearing and speaking, maybe even Barthomelloi and some characters from el-Melloi II Case Files (which could include Luvia).

Also tfw Wakamoto won't be voicing Zelretch in this and all future TM works.
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>>151780648
>Well yeah, but the "natural progression" of Shirou's character ends in HF

Shirou's true answer isn't the one in HF. Each route is equally valid.

If there's one thing people need to fucking understand about canon in TM, is that there's no solid answer.

I honestly can't fathom how anyone could even want there to be a 'canon' route. You're telling me you read through two novels worth of material, and are okay with viewing them as less legitimate than the third?
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>>151780576
This is a dumbass question, but do those movies get english subs too?
There's equal reason to believe they both do and don't, and I can never find clarification because events are so limited.
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>This is official
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>>151779818
>and Rin gets dicked by some random clock tower scrub

>Implying this isn't going to be how it ends for Rin.
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>>151780699
In the international screenings? Yes, definitely. In Japan probably not.
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>>151780699
I attended the US premiere of UBW. It was subbed.

Though I have no clue what Aniplex US is planning for HF. With UBW, they aired it only in LA, for one screening.
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Rin pleases old men for money
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>>151780695
They're not "less legitimate", they're mostly build-up to me. Sure you can see UBW and HF Shirou as two alternatives, I agree with that, but a lot of other plot points undoubtedly culminate in HF (such as the Grail War and the Holy Grail themselves).
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How can Sakura even compete?
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>>151780760

Luvia pleases Tsundere Asians for free
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>>151780777
You can totally prefer one route over the other, and HF does answer a lot of things the other two left hanging.

But I don't get those folks who think one story over the other is more 'factual'. Not only does the author go to painstaking lengths, to set up the fact that there's a multiverse with this franchise, but just on a personal level, if someone asked me to 500k words, and then say it 'didn't count', I'd tell them to fuck right off.
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>>151780824
But in HF True Schweinorg comes along, making that outcome the only relevant one.
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It's a shame how unfairly ufotable treated Shinji in UBW. I hope they give him a good showing in HF and treat him like a joke. Really, Shinji isn't even a bad guy, the story just makes him out to be one.
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>>151780863
Then the only relevant stories are HF and Prisma.

I mean I'm sure that makes some people happy, but I'm going to say that what you're arguing probably isn't what Nasu has in mind.
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>>151780893
>and don't treat him like a joke
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>>151780717
This is official.
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>>151780900
>implying Nasu has anything in mind other than Yen and Takeuchi's dick
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>>151780921
RN isn't canon.
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>>151780893
Eh, I liked how comedic he was because he's not much of a threat at all in UBW. Still, they really need to get across in HF that he's not just generic rapist nii-san.
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>>151780928
Exactly why he does the multiverse. Pisses off no one for maximum shekels.

And honestly, that's fine. FSN is as long as the bible. No one wants to read through all of that and come out being told that 2/3rds of it 'isn't canon'.
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>>151780972
I didn't say it was not canon, I said those endings were irrelevant.
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>>151780955
>the basis of every adaptation
>not canon
You tell yourself that.
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>>151780999
Adaptations aren't canon.
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Stop the Shinji abuse !!
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>>151780648
>>151780628
Sakura >>> the world, in Shirou's mind.
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>>151781010
Good, then we've established that >>151780717 isn't canon.
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>>151780995
FSN is irrelevant ti King Arthur lore.

It sounds to me like you're trying to start a low energy pissing context.
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>>151781039
But that anon, that also makes pic related canon.
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>>151779029
I want Shirou to be happy but he surely has shit taste in woman
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>>151781039
Well, Zero isn't canon. And we don't see the worm rape take place in FSN anyway, so we can't know the exact style it was done in.
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>>151781059
Actually...
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>>151780695
Obsessing over 'canon' is a waste. Look at Star Wars or Dragon Ball where the 'canon' can change at the drop of a hat. It's all valid, whatever.
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I'll be honest, I don't even dislike Sakura.
But I can't fucking wait until we get a screencap from the movies with Kirei saying "Matou Sakura is not pure. She's a witch infested with worms." For pure shitposting purposes.
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>>151781092
That's a really shitty euphemism
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>>151778110
Honestly, I'm more ready for the rebirth of MANime.
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>>151781093
Pretty much the point I'm making.

It's funny though to see people still try and present things as 'more canon'. The kaleidoscope concept has been established as early as Tsukihime.
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>>151781125
It's gonna suck when people realize all the cool stuff in HF is going to be logically slotted into the last 45 minutes of the third movie.
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>>151780695
Sakura makes Shirou a real man. Check.
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>>151781159
The whole route is cool. The last 2 days are just out of this world cool.
True Assassin alone will make the first movies worth watching.
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>>151781195
Being a machine is fucking rad, though.
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>>151781159
>m-muh action!
You need to be 18 to use 4chan. Buildup and characterization is a vital part of any good story.
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>>151780648
>Shirou lusts after her before the game even starts
He's been lusting for Rin too. He lusts for Saber from the moment he sees her. He even lusts for Rider.

Shirou is a boy. It's only a matter of where his lust takes him.
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>>151781224
>In response to a guy talking about 'manime'

People have a very fucking lopsided memory of HF. Those last two days of the route aren't gonna carry a movie and a half.
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>>151781125
This.

I can't wait to see Kotomine's duel against Cursed Arm Hassan and the final punch-out animated.
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>>151781251

He's not alone though. Rin lusts for him, Saber from the moment she sees her, and Rider.
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>>151781254
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>>151781450
Blast from the fucking past.

For real though, I remember people talking about UBW not having enough action in it, and it had the most fights as a whole. There's gonna be some serious secondary whinging with HF.

"Gil goes out like THAT?"
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>>151781450
I'm having a hard time remembering, which encounter with Zouken was it that he used Medea's corpse as a decoy? I thought it was on the 4th day, but looking at this now, that can't be possible so it would be the 7th?
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>>151781450
Fuck me, every single day is pure HAPPENING.


I'M NOT READY BOYS

>>151781552
It's on the 7th yes.
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>>151781450
Love bow begrudging this is to admitted day 11 of HF doesn't have anything major happening.

Then of of course though they give two words to day 10 of UBW, and one word to multiple days of Fate.
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>>151780038
>There's not a single likable trait in Sakura that makes you want to root for her in Heaven's Feel and morso she's more of a plot ticket than a character.

No ?
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Can I just interject and say I really want to have lots of sweaty sex with Sakura
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>>151781730
Fate has by far the most SoL and info dump. UBW day 10 is legit nothing except some talks with Rin and Archer, which convinces Rin to go on the date. It was episode 11 in the anime.
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>>151781755
Day 10 of UBW has Shirou's circuits being unlocked.
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wait, is this movie still on? I thought its canceled?
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>>151781769
Yeah, so? That summary is obviously just action/killing related stuff. A lot of developments happen in those "NOTHING" days in Fate and in every day of HF.
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>>151781794
It was confirmed to be a trilogy in April and a new PV release on New Year's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsdsOWs9nWw
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>>151781794
>Canceled
The idea is so ludicrous, I just have to ask where you thought you heard that?
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>>151781795
It's the fact that the guy wrote a butthurt sentence about how he couldn't think up anything for HF, yet he ctrl+c'd, ctrl+v'd "nothing" for half the other routes.

That image is notorious overcompensation.
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>>151781744
No.
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>>151781823
It has a point for sure though, HF at least has a ton more stuff than Fate. The whole "shit only happens at the end" is a meme that a lot of people who don't remember the VN well have bought into.
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>>151781840
I apologize
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>>151781819
Because i rmb a 4chan post stating it was canceled. And there are rants about it. The post was like a week or 2 before the release of the trailer on new year's eve.
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>>151781870
HF also notably has more words than the other routes, so stints of 'nothing' might feel longer.

Prologue: 676 pages, 2313 lines and 26246 words.
Fate: 9530 pages, 28056 lines and 299080 words.
UBW: 7221 pages, 22154 lines and 219495 words.
HF: 9206 pages, 37508 lines and 275774 words.

Note: The Fate route's numbers factor in days 1-3 of the game, including all route exclusive content (so scenes that are pivotal to transitioning to HF, for example).
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>>151781939
Are you counting a page as one screen?
I wonder how big of a book Fate would be.
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>>151782184
That's from Mirror Moon's forum. Pages are the text on a single screen.

Adding it all up, FSN is considerably longer than The Hobbit and LoTR combined, and 200k shy of all the Harry Potter books.
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>>151782231
But hey, still a million short of A Song of Ice and Fire.
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>>151781731
I think this is an even more appropriate reaction
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>>151782424
Saved, thanks anon
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>>151782424
Webm.
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>>151782540
Glad to add to another's collection.

>>151782559
I still prefer gifs for now, but I should save more of these.

And, of course, this whole thing is better with sound. You can even listen to it on repeat for a while because it's that well voice-acted, I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VD70_8IN1w
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Fate remake when
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>>151782716
Probably before 2025.
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>>151782716
I just want Stay night animated like UBW and HF.
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We got a cinema release date for Japan yet? I'm in Tokyo in May and was hoping to catch it.
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>>151782716
>>151782734
>>151782755
I just want one proper animated route instead of 3 with varying degrees of good. It needs:
>the whole plot with Shirou and Archer to be fleshed out (like in UBW)
>Gil to not appear suddenly in the last few episodes (more like UBW)
>finale to be as Stay night

Dunno about HF, feels like it deviates so much from the other two it's not really possible to reconcile all 3. Both Stay night and UBW feel like they are missing parts (because they are).

Talking about the anime here, not VN. Played the VN so long ago I don't remember the specific routes, they've all morphed together into one in my memory.
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>>151783472
I get what you mean and I'd like that too, but I don't know if the themes of each route work together.

Fate's about saving Saber, Blade is about Shirou vs Archer and Hevaen's Feel is about Sakura's love.

Is it really possible to throw all of them into one route?
And then what about the servant battles?
For example Saber vs Rider is good fun.
But then Rider vs Shirou shows more devlopment.
But then Berserker chasing the threesome friends is good, but then do you scarp Berserker vs Shirou?

I don't know.
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I want to make Sakura my woman. I want to make Sakura my girl. I want to make Sakura smile. I want to make Sakura moan. I want to make Sakura cry. I want to console Sakura. I want to make Sakura gag on my dick. I want to make Sakura pregnant. I want to discuss having an abortion with Sakura. I want to put my hands on Sakura's belly and feel the baby kicking. I want to hold Sakura's hand as she pushes. I want to see Sakura breasfeed. I want Sakura to breastfeed me. I want to have a doubt in my mind that Sakura's child is not mine. I want to trust Sakura with all my heart forever and ever. I want to feel jealous when other men look at Sakura. I want other men to feel jealous that Sakura is mine. I want to whisper dirty things to Sakura in public. I want to Sakura to be impregnated with my smell. I want Sakura's flluids to always be on my tongue. I want to tease Sakura while people might be looking. I want to share peaceful autumn afternoons with Sakura. I want to hear her breathing next to me before sleep. I want to make Sakura dirty. I want to make Sakura pure.
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>>151778110
I already know the reason so don't need to bother.
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>>151783541
You have to lose something, but the most important parts can be kept. Shirou does fine without the Rider part, give that to Saber and let Gil take care of Berserker to set him up. Archer vs Shirou and Saber vs Gil can both be kept in, so both those plots (and Avalon) aren't lost.

You'd have to discard some fights in favour of others, but I think the plot-relevant (and most character-relevant) bits wouldn't have too much trouble coexisting.
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>>151783691
>I want to hear her breathing next to me before sleep
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>>151778110
Are you ready for half a film to take place in the kitchen while the characters talk about food?
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>>151783824
But then who do you favour in the romance? Saber?
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>>151783866
https://youtu.be/zprCVgMKXT0
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>>151780204
>you'll never shitpost about Archer being Rin and Shirou's son again
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>>151779342
Fucking get off 4Chan, Shinji.
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>>151783691
This is a fine dream, but only a dream.
Have you awoken from your dream, King of Dreamers?
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I really wanted to see the Superhero ending pan out
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>>151783991
Go watch a Michael Bay movie if your ADHD is too strong to handle exposition.
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>>151781200
Only reason I'm really looking forward to HF.
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>>151781450
holy fuck its been a hot minute since I've seen that
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Naruhodo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eohiWPGx9nE
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Dozo, Anon-kun
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>>151782716
I wonder if we'll ever get an official translation or a new one like Muv Luv did
Also we still need the Vita rips for HA
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>>151784160
>Shirou will never be your mom or wife
Feels bad
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>>151781450
Post old shit.
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>>151784243
>tfw GO fucked up powerlevels
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>>151784243
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>>151784268
Powerlevels were pretty much fucked from the onset. Gil is still more or less on top of the normies at least
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>>151784243
>waiting for F/HA
>Ufo adaptation when
Time to edit these things
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>>151783691
>>151783866
>>I want to hear her breathing next to me before sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j9QvXx1pWI&t=7978
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>>151784268
EXTRA fucked them up first.
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>>151784294
>normies
Fuck off crossboarder.
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>>151784243
>inb4 that one butthurt faggot complaining about EOPs
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>>151784302
they are kinda
Extra used be not on there and Lancelot was added to a huge influx of shitposters thinking he's super hot shit and could beat Gil and Herc easily
>>151784312
Yeah but they lost their safe space of
>mooncell doesn't count!
Which is kinda true but not its
>Go doesn't count!
and I'm sure we'll see Strange/Fake shit popping up too
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>>151784102
You can't have her
She'll be gone
As you sight her
Like a mirage

The purity
Of purities
Throughly soiled,
Inconclusive

This lack of mine
More real than
Any one thing,
Perhaps even flesh

Am ı a fool
For chasing That,
Reality:
Can you touch it?

So if my hands
End up dirty
I will not mind
Because she's there.

Flowers or skulls
Birth, life and death
How to say no
Sans ideals?

Being open
Now to decay
Had awoken
Forgotten sleep

But to return
And stay grounded
I've got this love
Among the dirt
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>>151784308
I've been reading, literally reading Heaven's Feel (I'll go back for Fate after, I can't get off the ride). Fortunately I'm past this part, but well-bloody-played Anon!
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>>151784376
I personally enjoyed that.
Wrote it yourself?
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>>151784536
Just now.
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>>151784590
I thought so. Well done, or so I feel.
Thanks for the sweet art addition too.
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>>151779674
Carnival Phantasm is the only animated Fate stuff to show them, and even that jokingly censored them.
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>>151784648
My pleasure.
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WHY is SAKURA'S HAIR PURPLE
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>>151784767
Worms and body modification to be better suited to Matou magecraft
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>>151784699
Why does Ataraxia have such a good opening?

I think it's the first time a visual novel has actually made me feel tense.
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>>151784767
She was born that way!
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Friendly reminder that Zouken did absolutely nothing wrong.
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>>151784843
he has his "kind grandfather" moments that even Sakura notes
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>>151784843
What was Zouken like in his prime, as a magus? Is that ever shown?
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>>151784895
there official art of him in his youth when they were setting up the grail since FSN. All we know is he was hot shit at binding iirc
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>>151784895
He created the command spells
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What's the grail again?
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>>151784958
This little girl
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>>151783691
I dont get it
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>>151779637
In UBW when he flee to the church I almost feel pity for him because he knows Zouken will fuck his shit up.
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>>151780576
Welp. I guess it will take a long time until we can watch it then.
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>>151785017
real > ideal
perfection =! perfect
mixed = fertile
Dionysian > Apollonian
love > romance
life = uncertain
certain = death
ugliness is what gives meaning to beauty
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Post Sakura and Shirou kissing please
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>>151785410
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>>151785341
>Real > Ideal

Just because you are correct, doesn't mean you're right.
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This was the only time I liked Shinji.
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>>151780699
after such and such years do you even need subs to figure out what the fuck is going on in a Fate work?
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>>151779111
>>151779266
Wait, really? Time sure flies.
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>>151785450
>only tongue so its not kissing
Reminds me of Tachibana-san
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HF as a whole > UBW > Fate
UBW true ending > HF ending though
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>>151785545
That's because HF's bad ending is its True Ending.
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>>151785541
Man, I mean technically no, but it's as qualifying as one.
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>>151785564
The one where Shirou kills Sakura?
I wonder if they'll put that as a BD bonus or something.
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>>151780717
>they thought the sociopaths would feel more sympathy for Sakura after seeing this
>Wormslut calling intensifies
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>>151780717
What is this?
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>>151785580
>>151785595
You're thinking of the Superhero ending
he goes full mind of steel
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>>151785615
The one versus Saber?
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>>151785541
>Reminds me of Tachibana-san
You can't something like that and not elaborate.

Right now!
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>>151785626
Thats Sparks Liner something and its just an "End" not a bad end, true end, or good end
its unique in that way
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>>151780717
>>151785612
Why there are so many around her crotch?
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>>151785457
Oh no Anon, that's not what that means. Forcing you through facts makes the whole thing pointless. That what is right is not "correct" is actually pretty close to it; the play of those two things, y'see.
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>>151785646
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>>151779161
>She's been getting raped by her brother for three years.

Haha, you have no fucking idea. She was already well beyond what we define as damaged goods by the time Shinji was having his way with her. Zouken took her virginity at 6 or 7 years old and Byakuya was in charge of her 'training' until she was a teenager. They can't exactly avoid it in the movies unless they retcon the events of Fate/Zero.
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>>151785758
To be honest, they are not kissing.
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>>151785580
Sorry, the normal end.
The Seasons ending.

I always feel that's the true end because it's not a cop-out ending.
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>>151785679
>>151783691
Worms are just jealous they can't penetrate Sakura. Her virginity is reserved for Shirou alone.
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>>151785845
Except Shinji banged the shit out of her for years and he banged Rider too
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>>151778110
W O R M S
O
R
M
S
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Was Tohsaka's anus Rider all along?
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>>151785889
>Heaven['s Feel]
>[Unlimited Blade] Works
At last I truly see.
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>>151785980
yes. Rider has succubus like powers and was collecting mana through sex dreams
She's a weird servant in a couple ways
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>>151785799
Nice fanfiction.
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>>151784363
>there are no longer TM threads because of several newfag FGOcucks who unironically dislike Tsukihime and will shitpost anything that isn't Fate
>>
Reminder that Kariya literally ate Sakura's hymen.
>>
Could Shiki kill Berserker? Or would he need to cut through layers of the phantasm?
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Why are there no threads on Apocrypha and Extra Last Encore when heaven's feel gets one?
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>>151786184
He ate a worm that "took away Sakura's innocence", actually.
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>>151786250
Apocrypha sucks ass.

Extra has already been discussed to death and we don't know how different SHAFT's take on it will be, with Nasu writing a new script.
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>>151786250
Because patience is a virtue and valued. Anyone who supremely cares about them is already doing so in the places where they already were, content to wait for more of a showing before they spread out elsewhere enmasse.
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>>151786250
Because someone made a thread for heaven's feel, anon :-^)
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>>151779029
Lol saber came first before worm whore
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>>151786429
>namefag
>Lol
And here we have a fine example of the kind of people that bash Sakura.
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Cheer Saber up.
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>>151780576
>Germany
>getting anything at all
We don't even have a date for kimi no na wa
>>
Guys, what are ur take on Fate Grand Order? Is the story similar to Kamen Rider Decade or Assasin creed's animus project?
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>>151786879
Aniplex likes you though.

>>151786866
Fuck off back to your BBC cucKing.
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>>151784895
I vaguely remember that he got along with
(was in love?) with the Eizenbern homunculus during his grail war. The reason we went full bug is he promised he'd win so that he can meet her again (since she was absorbed into the grail completing it would sort of count). Unfortunately trying to extend your life via magic in nasuverse tends to erode your soul and make way for insanity so he's got the same drive to reach the grail but has completely forgotten why he wants it so much in the first place.
>>
It's sort of funny how well Fate sets itself up for Zero.

Did Nasu always intend for Zero to be a thing?
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>>151787254
It's just that Urobuchi did a good job
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>>151787254
the events were more or less a thing so Uro built it up from there
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>>151778110
say with me

WORM

SLUT
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>>151784037
I'd prefer Rin or Sakura rather than Saber so we don't have to watch King Arthur awkwardly romance an autistic ginger Jap. Not like it diminishes the rivalry with Gil much anyway, the basics of that are just "Gil wants waifu", Shirou being the sheath for Saber's sword (lewd) or not is just a layer on top.
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>>151784843
What happened to him in Stay night and UBW anyway?
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>>151787482
>Shirou being the sheath for Saber's sword

Wouldn't it rather be the contrary ?
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>>151787388
Fuck off, /pol/.
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>>151778110
No because I already figured it out years ago when I read the fucking VN unlike you disgusting secondaries
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>>151787578
No.

Apart from Saber straight up calling him that, he literally is with Avalon inside him.
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>>151786866
For future use, here:
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>>151787609
I was talking about the fact that Shirou puts his sword in Saber's sheath, anon
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>>151787632
Quite sure it's the opposite anon.

Where's that "Saber grew a dick" image when you need it
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>>151778110
Fuck Sakura, we all know this is all about Ilya and Kotomine. Pretending otherwise is the height of autism.
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>>151787681
But muh swords...
>>
If Shirou is supposed to be a well written character, then why is he literally a machine?
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>>151787790
>If Shirou is supposed to be a well written character
He is?
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>>151787790
Because he realizes that he is a machine and either accepts it or moves away from it.
>>
Why are secondaries so fucking annoying? Why do they refuse to just read a fucking VN?
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>>151787880
>you will never be a sword
>you will never be a hero of justice
>you will never have an ideal which you firmly believe in
why live?
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>>151787731
Reminder that they both die. For Sakura's sake.
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>>151779342

Don´t you have a sister to rape, Shinji?
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>>151788024
Nobody cares about Sakura, and it's more about the journey, not the destination.

If it weren't for moments like the Mind of Steel, Sparks Linear, Kotomine bro-op, Kotomine vs Assassin, the brawl at the end, all of the stuff preceeding that, so on, nobody, and I mean fucking nobody, would give a fuck about the route.
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>>151788096
>Mind of Steel
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>>151787681
just for you
>>
After all those years, the worm meme is becoming very dull.
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why was shirou swords
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>>151788177
The straightforwardness of it will never stop being funny.
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>>151788175
>>Mind of Steel
It's the true end tho
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>>151788096
>Nobody cares about Sakura

I care about Sakura
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>>151788219
This. When fags are forgetting the actual events of the story because they're too busy regurgitating memes, it's safe to say the meme has become cancer.
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>secondaries discussing things what they read on wikia and played on FGO
i hate Fate threads nowadays
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>>151788294
>tho
Cancerspeak to go with cancer opinions. Every single time.
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>>151780161

Nasu himself says in Complete Material that if Sakura had treated Shinji like trash and never empathized with him, she would have a much better time. I kinda laughed at it because Nasu tries to make Shinji sympathetic, but then he realizes the guy is too up his own butt and delusional, so he stopped trying. Even the scenes in the HF manga show he was a spoiled brat for the most part. Not Hitler evil, but that, and the VN for HF showed he thought of Sakura as a pet, not family.

And then there was the interview where Nasu says Sakura would have toasted Shinji if she knew he was using the Bloodfort on the school in an interview for the UBW anime.

Basically, Nasu btfo people who just hate on Sakura and think it's all Stockholm Syndrome with Shinji. She only helped him post UBW because she has strong empathy, something noted in her bios in the materials. Also noted she has a strong maternal instinct in her dictionary entry.
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>>151788024
>heart pupils
I love this kouhai!
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>>151788299

It's kind of funny people keep trying to say no one cares about her, when she gets tons of annual birthday art specifically with Shirou.

Didn't the guy who does Prisma and his assistant make several Sakura x Shirou shout outs in that manga too?

Not to mention their theoretical level 100 selves in those craft essences in GO are a pure Yamato couple.
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All Shinji wanted was to go to Hogwarts
;_;
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>>151789074
How many scans are out for HF ? I feel it's really slow
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>>151789164
Up to chapter 20, I think.
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>>151789074

>Shinji was jealous of Sakura because she was the one getting fucked by the worms, not him

Reminder that Shinj is canonically retarded.
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>>151789164
It's all scanned so far I think, it's just not getting translations at all for some reason. It only got up until like chapter 8.
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>>151778110
Why is she standing in the church from Final Fantasy VII?
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>>151789292
>secondary can't into symbolism
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>>151788925
Not to mention she's been among the top 5 most popular characters in the entire TMverse.
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Would anyone even be mad if they changed the whole thing into Illya route and scrapped Sakura?
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>>151789191

More like supreme delusion. He saw that nothing Zouken did was beneficial to the family and still followed the guy and took advantage of the one person who felt badly for him. Hell two, if you count Shirou.

Whereas Sakura knew the true face of the family, and pitied he couldn't see the forest for the trees even when he saw the truth. And of the two, life pissed on her more because she was forced out of her family just for being born and will have to work thrice as hard to get a percentage of her potential back, finding her own sensei.

It's sad he was ostracized by his father, but he also dodged the bullet of having to be Zouken's personal experiment and ending up forced into a pit of insects and rotting bodies, with the ability to use the family money as much as he wants to search out other dreams than pursuing the magecraft of a dead lineage by a madman who sees his progeny as little more than lab equipment.
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>>151789279
How come it's happening when Fate is popular ?
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>>151781939
Do these numbers include alternate scenes, bad ends, and Tiger Dojos?
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>>151789373
Yes, not even a Sakurafag but a lot of people would.
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>>151779342
>He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.
I want to believe this is canon
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>>151788096
I care about Sakura, Shirou and their relationship.

I struggle for a while to stop reading Heaven's Feel, but I think I can wait till the final movie to read the finale now. It's going to be amazing.
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>>151789191
I'm only a little upset that THAT song started playing in my head.
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>>151778110
she needs her fish
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>>151785679
Because.
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>>151780717
Better quality.
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>>151789415
>Fate is popular
Is it?
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>>151785886
Shinji is Fate's Milhouse, so beta he doesn't count and never will.
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>>151792359
But is he a meme?
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>Shinji will die four times this year

When will his suffering stop?
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>>151792543
He's died once in the GO OVA and that's probably it for this year. He won't die in the first HF movie and Extra is next year. Only possibility is if the Prisma Illya movie is also 2017.
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>>151789373
The premise doesn't work with any girl but Sakura, since she's the one he's known for the longest. Ilya's route would have him let Rin deal with Sakura on day 9 so he could focus on being there for Ilya to make up for Kiritsugu leaving her behind.
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>>151788427
Been noticing an unusual amount of "tips fedora" instead of high quality post content today.

>>151788427

You would know about cancer.
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>>151792606
>Only possibility is if the Prisma Illya movie is also 2017.
It is.
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>>151792640
Not confirmed.
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>>151784365
I wonder about the various Saber summoning:
While Shiro is crappy and give crappy stats, Sakura with Alter is another story, Why Rin and Kiritsugu stats are so different? Does different mana, element or origins change them?
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>>151793518
Rin and Sakura both are better Magi than Kiritsugu stat wise which is why Saber has higher stats.
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>>151789354
That's funny considering she's always a side character in the anime adaptations
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Why do people say that Rin goes insane in the mind of steel ending? She's mentally strong, I doubt the death of her sister would change her that much.
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>>151793518
The stats of a servant change to reflect their master. Rin is the kind of girl who will try to charge through with sheer strength and luck, Kiritsugu prefers more flexible and defensive strategies, and Sakura wants a tank with pure overwhelming force.
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>>151789074
There's a fanfic about that
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>>151793731
Yeah, so her popularity could very well rise even further once the HF movies come out and she finally gets to shine.
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>>151793768
I won't say she does or doesn't go insane, but Sakura's death could be a "keystone" feature for Rin. Lots of things are strong, near invincible, but only when they're still whole.
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>>151793768
>She's mentally strong
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>>151780263
Isn't it Arturia and Merlin though?
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>>151780263
Garden of Avalon said that Merlin and Artoria were in love with each other,it now carries over through out all version of Nasu's Arthur and Merlin since Prototype Arthur loves female Merlin
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>>151793960
No. Arturia and Shirou do the fucking, Merlin does the watching .
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>>151794004
Takeuchi retcon that
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I just want to save Saber!!
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>>151793951
Sakura cried in the first day too.
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>>151793932
Why would you say that? Rin moved on, had a new man and became a mother in the bad ending while Sakura lost her mind and wasted away, Why would her death suddenly break her when she barely even thinks about Sakura in the first place? It's insane and one of my many issues with Heaven's Feel is how they try to make it out that Sakura is the only reason Shirou and Rin have anything reseblmling normal human emotions. It's even dumber when they try to make her out to be the heroine or that she's actually struggling through her problems when we don't see it. We don't see Sakura's inner thoughts at all other than the crazy ones. She never does a single thing in the route that could be considered a heroine action, she doesn't try to save herself nor does she try to dissuade anyone from saving her. It's hard to even understand if she even cares about Shirou and Rin for who they are rather than what they represent,
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>>151794199
>being so autistic you can't understand basic human emotions
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>>151794199
>Rin moved on, had a new man
Fucking slut.
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>>151781870
Which three days in HF were the cooking days? Cause those days were subjectively dull (they had lots of Shirou Sakura though, so you if you liked that they were okay). They had moments at the end of them with Nightmares and Shadow eating, but those moments were incredibly short compared to the rest of their respective chapters.

I feel that's what most people remembered
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>>151794243
I can understand them just fine, I just can't understand Sakura's if she were really struggling with the shadow, angria whatever and all that, they sure did a piss poor job of showing it, it looked like she was getting off on hurting people, tormenting people and killing people, like when fucked up people grab a gun and go for the high score, There was no indication in that route that she regreted what she did while under the influence It's like we don't get to know Sakura intimentally at all like Shirou and Rin, we never see her point of view outside of scenes where she's going crazy so it just looks like some messed up kid suddenly had a massive temper tandrum and to calm them down they had to give her everything she wanted, above sister in love, a loyal man below her and a servant that prioritizes her over everything. A character like that can be likable if they're charismatic enough like Gilgamech, even through he's a terrible surgeon people love the dick. Sakura has none of that.

Do you like loyal chicks, Rider is better
Do you like purple hair, Rider is better
Do you like big boobs, Rider is better
Do you like confy moments, Rider is better
Do you like when the girl takes lead in bed, Rider is better.

It's ridiculous
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>>151794199
>We don't see Sakura's inner thoughts at all other than the crazy ones
Maybe you should have paid attention to those "cooking scenes".
>She never does a single thing in the route that could be considered a heroine action
She literally defeats all the villains by herself.
>she doesn't try to save herself
"why didn't kariya just order berserker to kill zouken?!"
>nor does she try to dissuade anyone from saving her
Okay, you clearly never even read the route.
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>>151778110
Sakura is Love, Sakura is Life.
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>>151794364
Those are 11, 12, and 13. But even those include the death of Gilgamesh and True Assassin infiltrating the Emiya household to get Shirou to talk to Zouken. Also lots of Illya scenes.
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>>151794467
>I just can't understand Sakura's if she were really struggling with the shadow, angria whatever and all that, they sure did a piss poor job of showing it
She explicitly tells Shirou she's terrified of her nightmares even before she knows they're real.
>it looked like she was getting off on hurting people, tormenting people and killing people
First off, it wasn't her doing it. Second, she got used to them because they wouldn't stop and she thought they were just dreams. As soon as Gilgamesh makes her realize it's reality, she stops sleeping and goes to finish things with Zouken even if it costs her her life.
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>>151794199
Rin is for NtR and old men, she's a cheating whore.
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>>151794718
rude
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>>151794668
Ahh, Thanks. Kinda weird pacing that they were put all in a row, but it kind of helped break Sakura and put the final climax into motion.

I'm certain it will be paced well for the movies, so that will be good.
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>>151794467
Anon she asks Shirou to kill her so she won't suffer anymore and let everyone be in danger
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>>151794479
>She literally defeats all the villains by herself.
That wasn't her, that was the shadow and she didn't go after anybody at all, Now if she went after Zouken like she planned to, that would of been a heroine worthy move even if it was stupid but insteand she kept listening to this dude for no reason, attacked Rin and Shirou and we get a scene of her inter thoughts in that moment being how watching Rin lying on the ground panting heavily is turning her on, fucking really? It's even hard to tell if she's naturally sexually nympahic or if it's the result of the worm shit and the shadow shit. It's a mess.
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Why is Ilya a psycho in Fate and UBW and best girl in HF? I don't understand.
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>>151779342
Hi, Shinji.
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>>151794718
>that phonecall where she talks with Shirou with another man's cock deep in her pussy
Yes, it's canon.
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>>151778110
Sakura's okay I don't hate her as much as her sister and I don't like her as much as Saber. Kirei is still best girl by far.
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>>151794864
Because in Heaven's Feel she got to actually talk to Shirou and calm the fuck down, she's not that psycho in Fate either once she loses her servant, like Sakura, she's a messed up brat lashing out but unlike Sakura she's actually written well enough to be sympathetic, charming and worth saving. IIIya also doesn't spend the majority of her screen time taking abuse then complain about nobody saving her or being boring either and she never hurt people who didn't deserve it, Shinji absolutely had that Beserker smash coming.
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>>151794864
>Fate
She wasn't, she warms up to Shirou after losing her chance of winning the War and getting taken in.

>UBW
Didn't even meet Shirou again until she died.

Obviously her objective at the start is always to take revenge on Kiritsugu and Shirou, she makes that clear in HF.
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>>151790944
>>151780717
Sick fucks. Who would do that to a little girl?

And how can you faggots treat her as if it was her fault?
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>>151795031
>she's a messed up brat lashing out

A messed up brat who commits murder and physically assaults several people, before it's all casually swept under the rug.

I mean fucking lol, Shinji's an asshole, but by the end of the route Sakura still doesn't even know if he's dead, and meanwhile her and Ilya are getting around all buddy-buddy. That's pretty morbid.
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>>151794807
She clearly didn't mean it, because if she did she would of commanded Rider not to harm Shirou in anyway. Plus if she really wanted to die why not ask Rin or Kotomine or even Rider? Rider took ultimate pity on Sakura so she definitely would of killed her if she asked, she had no stake in the grail other than making Sakura happy even if she doesn't mind fucking Shirou she went through the trouble of making a Sakura clone in that little dream in hopes he'd go for that more, basically she wanted Sakura on top of her while Shirou baned the shit out of them both even if all he could see was ass and pussy
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>>151795108
> by the end of the route Sakura still doesn't even know if he's dead
>implying
Are you that dense that you don't realize that was part of her cover? She knew about the Grail War and that Shinji was taking part.
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>>151794160

Not that guy trying to shitpost, but there is a clear difference between a 4 year old, and a 17 year old that has pain resistance.
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>>151795153
She knew about the grail war, but no, it's never explicitly stated that she knew Ilya left him a smear on a wall in some high rise.
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>>151795108
Ilya dies a year later in Fate anyway
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>>151791358
Truthfully, it's just a little bit funny.
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>>151795096
Weelcome to Magi anon. moralfagging has no place in wizard kingdom. Or rather, blame Tokimi for being a true magi above all else and Kairya for just using the opportunity to try and fuck the kid's mother and NTR his rival. It's the most morbid thing magi have done either, Caster's former master and Kotomine used random abandoned kids to fuel their servants and magic without a hint of regret for example
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>>151795192
>her command seals are given to Shinji
>neither he nor Rider return to the Matou household even after the war is over
Sakura was probably hoping he had got himself killed before she even met Ilya
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>>151795132
>suicide is something people should be logical and rational about

See ? I knew you didn't understand basic human emotions
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>>151794833
>that was the shadow
Wrong. The shadow stopped being a thing after the night where it killed Gilgamesh. As Kotomine says, Dark Sakura is still Sakura on the inside even though her mind is corrupted.
>Now if she went after Zouken like she planned to, that would of been a heroine worthy move even if it was stupid but insteand she kept listening to this dude for no reason, attacked Rin and Shirou
When Shinji attacked her, she instinctively killed him with its powers in self-defense, and the subsequent thought that the shadow could have been her breaks her mind. Zouken takes advantage of that and convinces her that she will never be forgiven by Shirou and Rin, so she believes that all she can do anymore is play the role of the villain that everyone treated her like. As soon as she's internalized the grail's regeneration powers, though, she kills Zouken and True Assassin for hurting Shirou and Rin.
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>>151795262
Again, you're missing the point. She doesn't know she's chumming it up with the person who murdered her brother.

That, and the entirety of the fact that Ilya did several fucked up things, is completely dropped in the Fate route and not even mentioned.
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>>151795341
I really doubt Sakura would care, she'd most likely thank Illya, really.

>the fact that Ilya did several fucked up things
Such as? Other than trying to kill enemy Masters in a deadly battle royale that her family put her in, and having a personal vendetta against Shirou (which is explained thoroughly).
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>>151795337
>she kills Zouken and True Assassin for hurting Shirou and Rin.
She never says that, she killed Zouken because he attacked her first and true assassin because once again, he attacked first.

Not a single thing about "Senpai" and "Nee-chan" is said when she does that.
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>>151795254
How can they get away with it? Isn't there like a moralfaggot with powers that plays the avenger or shit like that?
I mean, if there are people like that then there must be the opposite version as well.
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>>151795413
>I really doubt Sakura would care, she'd most likely thank Illya, really.

I don't think any sensible person wouldn't casually take pause at a murderer trying to get friendly with you.

>Such as? Other than trying to kill enemy Masters in a deadly battle royale that her family put her in, and having a personal vendetta against Shirou

Literally every reason to be cautious about her. She cleaved a chunk of flesh out of Shirou. Made Berserker almost crush Rin's ribs.

You can hand-wave Archer, because that is part of the game, but she explicitly set out to murder Shirou, and literally all potential animosity that could result from that, is supposed to be forgotten by the reader, because she's a cute little girl.

Never mind the fact that you learn later she's technically a fully grown woman.
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I remember the issue I had with HF when reading it was having UBW be about Shiro holding on to his ideals and then having HF have him throw them away for Sakura.
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>>151794199
I'm the one you replied to in the first place, just saying I was speculating. I haven't gone that far yet because I've already read more of HF than I should considering I wanted to wait on the movie first.

I think it's a simple concept of not knowing what you had till its gone. But, again, I was speculating. It's perfectly possibly to keep going with other elements of your life and then a regret or realization catches up with you.

Heck, people are thrown off just by reaching a certain age even if physically they've never been better. Hopefully we can talk more some day when I finish HF.

For the record, I feel quite opposite to you in regards to everything else you suddenly brought up. I'll leave it at that though.
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>>151795537
The Association is by far the biggest enforcer of mage "law", and they have no moral qualms with basically anything as long as you don't overstep your boundaries and alert the muggles.

They might give you a Sealing Designation though if your research is too promising.
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>>151778110
But we know why she's hated. The otaku audience hates her for not being a virgin, and will latch onto any excuse to express that hatred without admitting the reason, including blaming her for things that they'd instantly forgive her for if she was "pure".
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>>151795572
UBW and HF are two alternating, but valid paths.

Think of it like choices in a video game (which this is). You can be taken down different paths.
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>>151795572
Why does Shirou talks to himself in 3rd person?
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>>151795132
>she would of commanded Rider not to harm Shirou in anyway
She literally does that right after that scene.
>why not ask Rin
Rin is the one person Sakura refuses to be killed by. One of the major driving forces behind the conflict in HF is how Sakura feels absolutely sick to the stomach at the idea of Rin of all people casually waltzing in after ignoring Sakura's suffering just to ruin what little hope she has left by NTRing her or killing her and/or Shirou.
>Kotomine
He wants her to live so the grail can be born, idiot.
>Rider took ultimate pity on Sakura so she definitely would of killed her if she asked
Medusa was in the same situation as Sakura, except she didn't get a happy ending. Rider's entire motivation is to make Sakura happy no matter what happens to others because she sees herself in her. Killing Sakura would be the same as accepting what Perseus did to her.
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>>151795572
I think Nasu did a poor job of portraying that unlike Saber and Rin, Sakura was his long time friend that he cared about like family. He sort of did the same thing in UBW with Taiga but again it didn't come across well.
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>>151795572
>UBW be about Shiro holding on to his ideals and then having HF have him throw them away for Sakura.

Which is why HF is so much better
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>>151795612
So they're all degenerates with superpowers. Can't get any more edgy than this.
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>>151795537
>I mean, if there are people like that then there must be the opposite version as well
Not necessarily. That's why evil is so prevalent. Even when such ones exist it's a matter of them finding out to then stop it.
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>>151795619
>The otaku audience hates her for not being a virgin
Saber's not a virgin and people like her so much she's the face of the franchise and has multiple clones, her fucking daughter is starring in a show this year for crying out loud.

>>151795620
Yeah, like you being able to capture legendaries, yet they're all still around in later games.
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>>151795619
She's popular in Japan though. They all are.
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>>151795687
He did the same with establishing that Shinji and him used to be decent friends too.

You'd think Shirou was dumb for trusting or caring about him, but Shinji only grew to be a dick a little while back.
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>>151795705
>degenerate
>edgy
Fuck off crossboarder.
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>>151795484
Nice try, but you clearly didn't read the VN.
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>>151795764
>letting magical worms rape your daughter
>not degenerate
You should think more before typing comments, anon.
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>>151795816
I see nothing about "nee-chan" in there. Try again.
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>>151795619
People like this do exist but she is also just the worst of the bunch and you are over-estimating how seriously most people take the used goods meme. There are plenty of examples of other non-virgins that get less hate than Sakura, even within Type Moon
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>>151795870
Fuck off /pol/ go spout your buzzwords on your containment board.
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>>151795901
>get completely BTFO
>b-but she didn't mention Rin, though!
Someone's desperate.
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>>151795484
Okay, I said I wasn't going to say anything more >>151795610 but Sakura totally had a bone to pick with Assassin because of his attacks on Shirou.

I read it barely a week ago:
>"He attacked Senpai twice.
That's why I killed him."

As for Zouken:
>"All the better, then. I don't need your help anymore. I can open the gate by myself."
But I think it goes without saying that she didn't like what she had him do in regards to Shirou.
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>>151795901
Fucking embarrassing
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>>151795569
You seem to have forgotten all context of Illya's story. She doesn't even understand what's bad about something as simple as killing. She was just doing the job her family charged her with.

She also did want to make Shirou suffer because it was his (indirect) fault that she lived 10 years in misery. The point is that through their interactions, Shirou understands why she became so fucked up in the first place, and Illya understands that Shirou is not just the enemy that she imagined, but also a normal personal with his own life. That's something she'd never even had any contact with. This is why they forgive each other in Fate and HF and end up with a good relationship as half-siblings, not "because she's a cute girl".
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>>151795690
Excellent taste.
Excellent art.
Anon, thank you.
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>>151795975
>>151796008
You're the embarrassing ones. You half assed it when she really only cared about Shirou, I was right, she didn't care about Rin at all.
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>>151795718
>Saber's not a virgin
>lol futacock
No, for all intents and purposes Saber is the "pure" waifu that the average otaku loves.
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>>151795952
I've never been to /pol/, if you think there's nothing wrong with having your daughter raped you should consider ridding the world of your presence.

Fucking edgy underages, no wonder they lurk Typemoonshit threads.
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>>151796128
If you're this emotionally disturbed by fiction you should go see a doctor.
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>>151795941
Not when there's an entire wiki for VNs that spoils which ones have non-virgin heroines. Purityfag autism is extreme, and not to be underestimated.
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>>151796062
And thank you. You get it too.
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>>151796062
Yeah, see, that argument could work if she only threatened to harm people, or maybe just kill servants.

You pass a threshold on the 'trust meter' when you legitimately start killing people. Not knowing that killing people is wrong is sociopathic, and casually brushing under the rug all the acts of someone who might not be mentally all there, is retarded.

It's bad writing all around.
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>>151795620
HF is the patrician path.
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>>151796245
No.
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>>151795619
The issue is basically that Nasu wrote a couple of stories with really simple idealistic writing and cookiecutter heroines, then ended up including a much more morally grey route in the same VN. This resulted in the manchildren that read shounen shit like Naruto and UBW throwing a misogynistic victim-blaming tantrum of ridiculous proportions just because Sakura didn't kill Zouken with the power of resolve and friendship at the age of 5. People who bash Sakura are basically outing themselves as being emotionally stunted /pol/fags.
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>>151796168
I'm emotially disturbed about nothing, anon, you explicitly stated that I was wrong about condemning having your daughter raped and I simply judged you on that.
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>>151787790
Because the keyword there is "supposed."
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>>151796125
>loses a mile
>holds on to an inch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ge4rCsfKeY
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>>151796304
>throwing around "victim-blaming"
>misogyny

HF confirmed for tumblrites. Sakura does seem like the special snowflake type.
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>>151796125
>s-she just killed them because they attacked first!
>screenshot of her explicitly stating otherwise
Nope, you got BTFO alright.
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>>151796234
She is a sociopath because she was raised to be one. There is no "trust meter", to her killing was an act indifferent from taking out the trash.
People complain about the UBW anime a lot, but it did a damn good job at portraying she literally had 0 human contact from 8 to 18 years of age.
And despite all that, she can still tries to understand Shirou's point of view and learns how limited her own perspective used to be. How is that bad writing? Everyone in this series kills people at some point senpai, it's a deadly game and all participants know what they're getting into.
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>>151796373
>secondaries
>>151787880
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>>151796434
No, you're pretty objectively a /pol/-tier edgy misogynist if you're retarded enough to call rape victims "used goods" or "sluts". Fuck off to where you belong.
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>>151796125
>no u

Em-ba-rra-ssing
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>>151796454
UBW does better at establishing Ilya in the short amount of time it deals with her than in Fate, which is the core of what I'm talking about.

Where does she do any of the shit you mention in the last paragraph in that story? Yet we're still supposed to treat all her acts as if they are nothing, even though she's at her most sadistic in this route.
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>>151796538
It's not either-or retard. Not being a /pol/tard doesn't make someone a flaming tumblrite. If you actually care about people being misogynistic towards a fictional character then you can fuck off.
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>>151796538
Never said any of those things, pal. Just calling you out on your buzzwords, which you seem to be spewing even more of in this post.
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>>151796304
Are you saying that the only people that like simple shounen stories are from /pol/, or could you just not help yourself from taking a ridiculous, completely unrelated potshot?
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>>151796626
>Not being a /pol/tard doesn't make someone a flaming tumblrite.
Exactly.
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>>151796577
In Fate? Yes, it's unsatisfying and at the end of it you're thinking she's just another member of Shirou's harem. That's just part of how F/SN starts with a ton of shounen tropes, only for the story to slowly reveal everything that's actually going on. If you take Fate individually, Illya basically a bland token loli. But F/SN is something that works only with all 3 routes, and HF gives you context of what she's all about. Their interactions in Fate at the park before she kidnaps Shirou and after Berserker's death are that route's equivalent of their relationship in HF.

Everyone agrees that except for Saber Fate route is shit though.
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>>151796434
I hope you'll get raped so we can all laugh at you and call you a slut and used goods.
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>>151796670
/pol/fags are generally simple-minded and have a (literal) black-and-white mentality, so they like stories with clearly defined heroes and villains. Characters who are in hard to solve situations frustrate them, so they blame them for being in that situation to begin with to make themselves feel better.
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>>151796715
Look at the root of the conversation.

>Why is Ilya a psycho in Fate and UBW and best girl in HF? I don't understand.

Wasn't the guy who asked it, but this whole time I've been arguing she's a pretty fucking shitty character in Fate.

She's not even just a 'token loli', she does a bunch of outright bad stuff, and it's all brushed off like nothing.
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>>151796788
Didn't say any of those things. Projecting much?
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>>151779342
Either someone bridged the 2D-3D gap and let Shinji into our world or I'm replying to a rapist/future rapist.

Go to bed, Shinji.
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>>151796792
Ignoring the fact that /pol/, nor any board, is one person, how exactly does UBW fit under your definition?
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>>151796847
Yes, in this moment I'm projecting my dick inside you.
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>>151796928
UBW is shonenshit
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>>151796792
Thanks for inserting your interboard head canon into a discussion about why a character that eats half a city isn't liked very much
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>>151796986
How?

The entire problem for the route is based on Shirou struggling with a hard to solve situation. There aren't clearly defined heroes and villains, and that's even a key point. Shirou wants to become a hero, but Archer argues he'll just end up a mass murderer.

It comes down to Shirou weighing in on all these potential faults with his morals, and coming to the conclusion that in the end, he can still live with them.
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>>151796804
The worst thing that Illya does in HF is kill Shinji which is normal behavior for the context of the war. The only normal person in the whole war is Shirou anyway. Why wouldn't they brush that under the rug?
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>>151796986
>any FSN route
>not shonenshit
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>>151796928
Shirou literally wants to be a superhero. The villains of the route are a Saturday morning cartoon-tier evil witch and her assassin helpers, a big mean reasonable adult who Shirou shouts down with RESOLVE despite Archer being objectively correct, and Gilgamesh who literally wants to kill most of humanity. If you remove the sex, the plot is pretty much something you'd find in Shounen Jump.
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>>151797055
And yet he triumphs thanks to plot armor and clinging to his retarded ideals
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>>151797059
Shinji used to be Shirou's friend, and was Sakura's brother. The entire fact that Shirou is now housing his killer is completely ignored, with Sakura not even informed that Ilya killed him.

Topple on the fact that she attacked Shirou and Rin multiple times, and it's all forgotten.
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>>151797017
>a character that eats half a city
We were talking about Sakura, not Angra Mainyu, retard.
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>>151796986
Typemoonshit as a whole is shounenshit. Nothing new.
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>>151796538
except /a/ has been making that joke almost universally since the thing came out
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>>151797196
Your way of typing says it all about what people make "jokes" like that.
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>>151797084
Christ. Archer wasn't correct, that's the entire point.

Ten years on and people still don't get that. His whole argument was that Shirou was just blindly following Kerry's ideal, without understanding the weight of it all.

It takes Shirou still holding true to it, to remember that he did genuinely want to help people. He did genuinely want to do good, and that in the end, even if his life wasn't perfect, Archer did do good. Shirou will do good.

Wanting to help people will never be a mistake.

>>151797128
I'll repeat. Wanting to help people will never be a mistake.
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>>151797084
>Archer being objectively correct
But he was wrong.
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>>151797196
Because they think delegittimating another heroine will give more credit to theirs.
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>>151797169
>sakra was a good gurl she dindu nuffin
ok tumblr
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>>151797256
>>151797258
>UBWfags will defend this
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>>151797332
Yep.

Shirou knows he can't save everyone. Doesn't mean he won't try his best anyway.
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>>151797298
>literal /pol/ meme
Totally not a crossboarder. Right.
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>>151779029
She's a bland, selfish person who's only purpose is to tempt Shirou from the path of justice with her worm-infested pussy.
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>>151797415
if you know /pol/ memes you must be a crossboarder too
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Everyone fucking crossboards, whether or not they want to admit it.
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Shirou is not a moralfag by the way. No moralfag would ever call their ideals selfish.
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Why is Sakura such a slut?
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>>151797538
Fuck off.
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>>151797509
>literally "y-you too!"
With how much your cancer spills out from your containment board, it's no wonder others have learned to recognize it.
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>>151779342
This is pasta.
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>>151797593
I'm sure you browse /a/, and never even think to keep another tab open.
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>>151797554
She's not.
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>>151797603
y-you too is a /jp/ meme, are you saying I'm a /jp/ crossboarder now?
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>>151797674
What are you talking about?
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>>151797474
Reminder that she had no worms anywhere near her pussy by the time Shirou fucks her.
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>>151797739
Official crossboarding pro here, I'd just like to interject for a moment.

That's actually a /tv/ meme, which originated from someone responding to a cute girl at a ticket counter saying "enjoy the movie."
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>>151778110
I kinda did, 6 years ago when english translation was released. She's still a whore and a slut.
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>calling rape victims used goods is not okay
>watching and enjoying a show where a main plot point is one of the characters being corrupted by dick worms totally is
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>>151796986
HF finale is closest to shonenshit you can imagine. Shirou vs Kotomine was more cringeworthy than whole Zero and UBW combined
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>>151795619
>>151796170
>>151796126
>being triggered over fictional characters not being cocksucking whores
Is /a/ being populated by tumblerines or you cuckolds enjoy this much tasting someone else semen over your woman?
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>>151798103
>cuckolds
Are you doing this on purpose?
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>>151797802
I don't even hate Sakura that much, she's just kinda boring and weak-willed. My real problem is how she manages to turn Shirou into a murderer by inaction.
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>>151798171
>is someone on 4chan trying to elicit a negative response from me
heaven forbid
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Seriously though, why IS Sakura such a slut?
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>>151780804
She cant Illya literally sacrifies herself to save swords boy
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>>151781011
He´s bully material
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>>151798637
DELET
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>>151798481
To this day, That had to be one of the dumbest sex scenes ever.
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>>151797983
>6 years ago
>when english translation was released
Know how I know you're just trying to fit in?
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>>151798056
It's okay, there's a version where they're not dick-shaped. She's even a virgin there.
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>>151798847
But why? It was perfectly justified by the plot.
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>>151781039
AHaha, stay mad.
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>>151798852
Enlighten me fampai
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>>151799047
Not him but the TL was released in '08.
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>>151798922

"Perfectly" is a very strong word.
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>>151794718

Rin is for cute girls.
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>>151799091
Wasn't HF 100% just by the end of 2010?
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>>151798992
Quality reply.
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>>151798100
>HF finale is closest to shonenshit you can imagine

Nothing can be more shonenshit than unlimited blade works beating doctor gil because muh hax
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>>151799226
>Sader Alter vs Rider
>Rins magic dagger
>Shero faceslapping Zombie Kirei in different super saiyan modes
not to mention
>vs Berserker
Come on. HF was more grimdark than UBW but it's more over the top.
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>>151799411
At least Shirou is actually badass and fucks shit up instead of getting in everyone's way and rambling about muh ideals
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>>151799487
It's Archer who gets in everyone's way. He's the one who has a hate boner for Shirou's ideals, and it's Shirou who has to knock some sense into him.
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>>151799561
I mean Archer spergs out over Shirou so much, that in the first half of the route, Rin doesn't trust him, and actually prefers to team up with Shirou and Saber.

With good reason, cause what happens with Archer in the latter half?
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>>151799561
HF being the final route confirms that Archer was right.
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>>151799561
>>151799611
Shirou constantly gets in the way of Saber, Rin and pretty much everyone because he needs to say how much he disagrees with them, saying how violence is not the answer.
What is his answer ? MORE VIOLENCE

>With good reason, cause what happens with Archer in the latter half?
Retarded shit
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>>151799750
He wasn't though. Nasu has gone over this a thousand times.

Why is it always HFfags who feel the extra need to validate themselves?
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>>151799853
Nasu is a fucking hack, I don't know how anyone can claim that what he says is valid in any way whatsoever
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>>151799853
Because UBWfags have always been starting shit with HFfags.
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>>151799819
>Shirou constantly gets in the way of Saber, Rin and pretty much everyone

When does he do this in UBW? You might be misremembering things from Fate, cause he constantly puts his trust in both Rin and Saber in the second route.

>Retarded shit

Archer betrays Rin, and kidnaps her. But Rin thinking he was bad news was retarded? Even before that she had to put a command seal on Archer just so he wouldn't kill her.
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>>151799853
Your pic doesn't even refute what this anon said tho
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>>151799139
Early 2009 without TLC.
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>>151799892
Then why do you even care?
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>>151799902
All I'm seeing in this thread are people who love HF trying to argue that it's 'more canon'.

>>151799928
All the answers Shirou receives are equally valid. Archer is not 'right'.
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>>151799958
It's literally referred to as the grand finale of the VN.
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>>151800114
Taiga Dojo is the true Grand Finale.
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>>151799939
Because I believe in the separation between the artist and his work

>>151799911
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>Jeez you're really annoying, boya. Did anyone told you that ?
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>Yeah that's pretty great, but if you could just shut up now, that would be great. Jesus I can't believe you're me from the pa-
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>Yeah that's very commendable and all but how are you even gonna do that ?
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>Look, I'm you from the future, I went down your path and there was nothing at the end but despair and endless pain, so if you could not do the same mistake I did and break the curse that would be fucking awesome
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>...Did you even hear what I was saying ?
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>...
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>Ok, look. What I'm trying to say is that dreams and ideals don't always go well with reality, and the cold bitterness of the truth can be pretty shattering. "Change your desires rather than the order of the world' as I could say and I think you should really-
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>God dammit, will just open your stupid ears and shut your angsty teenager mo-
>I WILL PROTECT EVERYONE
>OK THIS SHIT IS ON ! I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD !
>I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD !
>OH FOR FUCK' SAKE !
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>>151800114
It was the last route written.

That doesn't make its answers more correct, or more canon.

You know, TM is not exactly the franchise for you, if you want definite canon narratives. You check out what's being released lately?
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>>151800170
Yep, another guy who doesn't get the story. I like how you completely didn't mention anything about Rin and Saber, and had to talk about Caster, an antagonist.

Shirou is not the one who first prattles on about ideals. Archer is on his ass trying to insult him as early as day four. He's constantly a threat to Shirou, and everyone around him, because he's absolutely obsessed about someone disagreeing with him.

Rin stops using him as a servant, and has to use a command seal just to make him not commit murder.

The Archer fight is based around Archer realizing that the choices he made weren't wrong. That in the end, while he made some mistakes, he did help people, and did do good.

That's why he lost in the end. He agreed with Shirou.
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>>151800174

I honestly can't tell whose trolling who anymore.

I like HF, but I don't believe it's any more "right" or canon than anything else. Nasu literally Fate is the question of how Shirou should live and UBW/HF are both valid answers.

Can't we all just get along?
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>>151800276
>he did help people, and did do good.
And then they betrayed and killed him, followed by him being forced to suffer endlessly.
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>>151800276
>had to talk about Caster
I never talked about Caster

> he's absolutely obsessed about someone disagreeing with him
That's not at all why he's obsessed with Shirou tho

>Rin stops using him as a servant
Yeah that's his keikaku that he almost manages to accomplish only God know since he's supposed to be out of juice all the way down

>That's why he lost in the end. He agreed with Shirou.
And that's why it's shonenshit
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>>151800393
His one real mistake was becoming a Counter Guardian, which is someone UBW Shirou isn't going to go down. Archer even understands this, because he knows the Shirou from UBW is from a different world line than him.

>>151800398
>Jeez you're really annoying, boya. Did anyone told you that ?

'Boya' is what Caster calls Shirou.

>That's not at all why he's obsessed with Shirou tho

That's what it boils down to. Archer disagreeing with Shirou's life choices.

>Yeah that's his keikaku

No? She stops using him extremely early in the story. Less than half way. Remember the fight with Kuzuki where she /doesn't/ bring Archer? Or how she openly talks to Shirou about not trusting him, after the ordeal with Rider and Shinji?

>And that's why it's shonenshit

Wanting to help people is not wrong. That's a lesson plenty of people in real life understand.
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>>151800114
But anon, Last Episode is the grand finale.
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>>151800522
>which is someone UBW Shirou isn't going to go down
Based on what? As long as Shirou wants to be a hero and he knows that option exists, he's going to take it if he refuses to acknowledge that Archer made a mistake.
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>>151800627
>Saberfags
kek, it literally isn't even a part of the original story and was added later to please Saberfags generated by the DEEN anime.
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>>151800627
>Realta Nua
Enjoy your CG dragons and virgin Sakura.
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>>151800727
Bruh, there's a patch for that.
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>>151800693
Because Archer already exists, and the set of events that led to his existence didn't involve stuff like the Archer fight.

Nasu spoken about an 'Archer route' as being a 'Fate normal' ending, where most of the same general events as the first story played out, but Shirou still couldn't save Saber.
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>>151800771
An unofficial one.
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>>151800781
And before anyone asks.

Unlimited Blade Works BD set II: Q: What was the Fifth Grail War that Heroic Spirit Emiya experienced in his lifetime like? Was the Archer summoned there also Emiya?
Nasu: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.
Takeuchi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!
Nasu: Yeah, probably. After that, it is believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London.
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>>151800825
>After that, it is believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London.
So that's why Archer is familiar with the shadow.
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>>151800522
>'Boya' is what Caster calls Shirou.
Yeah if you were a bit less autistic you would have read the next sentenc which says
>Jesus I can't believe you're me from the pa-

> Archer disagreeing with Shirou's life choices.
Which are his own life choices. He wants to escape his own existence

>Remember the fight with Kuzuki where she /doesn't/ bring Archer?
Oh right I had forgotten this stupid shit too. A master who goes out without his servant and almost gets raped by an OP teacher

>Wanting to help people is not wrong
That's true, except that Shirou claims that he wants to protect everyone, which is childish and impossible
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>>151801028
>Yeah if you were a bit less autistic you would have read the next sentenc which says

I thought you were referring to Caster's nickname for Shirou. Instead, you were just randomly inserting Japanese into your sentences. Okay.

Thanks for the ad hom, though.

>Which are his own life choices. He wants to escape his own existence

No. Archer is well aware that killing Shirou likely won't change anything. By the time the Archer fight is underway, he's more or less just venting frustrations at someone who had already split from his timeline.

>That's true, except that Shirou claims that he wants to protect everyone, which is childish and impossible

Except Shirou is aware that he can't save everyone. That's one of the defining things about his answer in the route.

I swear, people who rag on about UBW the most, are the ones who didn't read it.
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>>151801174
Also, I know I posted a picture from the anime, so here's the scene from the VN.
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>>151801174
I'm sorry that I didn't remember this detail that triggers you so much anon. And yes, I read all of the three routes of the VN.

>Archer is well aware that killing Shirou likely won't change anything.
It's not likely, but that's the key reason he's there in the first place, he didn't come all the way just to have a chat with himself from the past

>Except Shirou is aware that he can't save everyone. That's one of the defining things about his answer in the route.
But he will still try, oh how beautiful ! Except he has no fucking clue where to begin or fixed rules in his ideology, he just dislikes any harm he sees
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>>151800807
Who cares? All the content is original anyway.
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>>151799168
To a quality post.
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>>151801326
>It's not likely, but that's the key reason he's there in the first place, he didn't come all the way just to have a chat with himself from the past

He specifically talks about how he knows he's not looking for results. He's taking his anger out on a 'clown'.

>But he will still try, oh how beautiful ! Except he has no fucking clue where to begin or fixed rules in his ideology, he just dislikes any harm he sees

Except he did fix them. He will do his best to help people, even if some do die. It's a very sensible solution.

Anon, you claim to have read the VN, but you might want to skim over some stuff again.
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>>151801421
Also, the 'detail' that I'm talking about, is the entire message of the route, so yes, if you don't understand that, you pretty much wasted 200k words of your time.
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>>151779342
He really should've been the protagonist.
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>>151793518
Shirou is base stat Saber (since she's not getting any mana from him). She's getting full mana from Rin, thus everything jump up a notch due to Prana Burst (more mana = more strength, better defense from armor made from mana, more mana to use Prana Burst to fly around). Luck is a bullshit stat, and NP is A++ because its counting Excalibur and not Invisible Air. Under Sakura, she's hooked straight to the grail. As Saber Alter, Prana Burst manifest 100% of the time as a black shield around her and Excalibur, increasing STR and DEF to A, while tanking AGI down to D.

(Probably) because its a different summoning, Kiritsugu Saber has different base stats, rather than being Shirou Saber stats with modifiers applied to it
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>>151801455
The detail I was talking about was "boya" but ok

Also Archer taking out his anger and not caring about results does not negate the fact he came to kill him in the first place to try to erase his own path. What is retarded is that he constantly says he's going to kill Shirou but keeps talking all the way through instead of acting

>He will do his best to help people, even if some do die. It's a very sensible solution.
That's not a solution, that's the problem he wants to resolve: helping people. That's both his problem and end in itself
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>>151801547
He is also worth being a NP of GoB
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>>151801601
>What is retarded is that he constantly says he's going to kill Shirou but keeps talking all the way through instead of acting

Again, you don't understand the story.

Archer is desperately trying to convince Shirou to change his ideals, but over the course of the route, he becomes more frustrated, when his younger self doesn't back down. It culminates in the Archer fight, where Archer himself finally realizes he's wrong.

>That's not a solution, that's the problem he wants to resolve: helping people. That's both his problem and end in itself

He helps people by using his superhuman magic powers in places across the world that are in need. This is well established.

He knows he won't be able to help everyone while doing so, but he will do his best, even if some die.
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>>151787254
Nasu and Butcher talked about Zero near the end of Stay Night's production, and a good chunk of Zero is already set up in Heaven's Feel anyway, so Uro just had to fill in the gaps with Nasu's supervision
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>>151793768
Rin is mentally weak and hide behind her "magus" persona to deal with her problems. In UBW, her relationship with Shirou coaxed her out of it, but in HF when everything turned to shit, she's tries even harder to hide her human side
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>>151801684
And he still initially came up with the idea to kill Shirou to create a paradox, so he wouldn't become a CG. Problem is that his anger and frustration seem weak since he's convinced by a fucking teenager that his choice was good. Shit the guy has been killing people over and over for a long ass time when he wished to save as many as he could. He should be on the verge of madness and not hear any shit Shirou tries to tell him but no muh resolve
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>>151795157
>>151793951
I could have sworn there was a SS somewhere showing that Rin actually broke faster than Sakura. I guess i misremembered.
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>>151800276
>That's why he lost in the end. He agreed with Shirou.

The point was always the way he approaches the ideal, not the ideal itself.

That was why Rin says she will help him love himself, because being okay being a machine is wrong.

Killing Sakura for example, ignores that she is pretty much a cog in an already broken ritual, and that in HF it was more a matter of informational warfare by not knowing the truth of the ritual that screwed the pooch in that route rather than abandoning your ideals. Because no matter how righteous you may be, someone can make you hurt innocent people in the. Hell, Zouken tries to do just that by his talk of "putting his poor granddaughter out of her misery".

Sad thing is, most of the guys who took the ideal at face value would probably be easily tricked by Zouken and Kirei. They'd likely think they were doing Sakura a favor by killing her, it's hilarious.
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>>151797144
Shirou was prepared to kill Shinji unless he took down Bloodfort Andromeda. Fate Shirou was a lot more gungho than UBW funnily enough despite being the "save everyone" idealistic route
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>>151802090
Fate Shirou wasn't forced to analyze his ideals as deeply, due to people like Archer, or the Sakura situation, not shoving them in his face.

There are some notable contradictions he'll probably have to come to terms with later, like how he killed Kirei.
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>>151802035
You can never trust people who tell you they are righteous and know what is good and just
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>>151802035
>The point was always the way he approaches the ideal, not the ideal itself.

Archer actively thought Shirou only believed in the ideal because he admired Kerry. While a lot of what you're saying isn't wrong, there was a degree of, "you don't even really fucking believe this" early on with Archer.
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