What the actual fuck is going on here? All they need to do is

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>Not using space circles

>>151769880
Instead of making a million little peashooter ships, they should make like five ships with proper big beams.

>>151769662
so do they ever explain how space battles work or do they just never explain it?

>>151771290
You just have a lot of ships firing lasers from their noses.
You'd think that such a fact would make them avoid charging into the enemy lines and leaving their sides exposed, but no.

>>151769662
I think the point was that they can't turn that fast to do that, but yeah, it was kinda dumb.

>>151771683
We see them quickly turning on the spot all the time, though.

>>151769662
If they turn towards the enemy they're flanked on all sides.

>>151770148
Like some kinda star of death...a Death Star?

>>151769662
Many of those space battles are dumb if you think about it. I just got with the flow of the story and convinced myself that I was watching brillant tactics. If you can't do that then watching Gineiden must suck.

>>151772388
You don't even need that. Just strap one of those fortress guns onto a thin pole shaped ship that the enemy can't hit from afar.

>>151769662
>ship turns around
>gets blown the fuck out as it's turning because its sides are exposed

good plan, admiral

>>151769662
if u turn around u get shot and died

>>151770148
Ask EVE Online how that worked out for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymdSjCYK_PI
4000 dollars burned by starter ships and boredom.

>>151769662
Whoever doesn't stop will have the upper hand. Those ships have shit maneuverability in the vastness of space.

>>151770148
And risk to fail because of the long fucking distances just to harm a tiny bit of the fleet?

>>151771774
Not quick enough for a battle. They could be turning for an hour for all we know. It's a lot of mass they have to move.

>>151773584
Machinery needed for that is too big. It won't fit the thin pole ship

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>>151769662

Ex-Naval Officer and developer of Fleet Tactical Command

Naval battles on earth and in space require constant motion. If you stop, you are dead. Space fleet battles are more like jousting, but you are jousting with thousands of other ships at the same time. This means that your ship always has to be moving in synchronous with the fleet.

If anyone one ship breaks formation it is going to be an easy target, so ships stay together in formation for defense and attack. This battle in OPs image in analogous to a aircraft dogfight, where one aircraft is on the tail of the other. If the leading aircraft tries to turn away it will expose its weakest points and get shot down. If the follow aircraft pulls or turns away it will lose its advantage on the leading aircraft.

In OPs image one fleet has pulled away and the other is chasing, but because the fleets are so large they have extended out so far that the chasing fleet has been caught behind by the fleeing fleet. If any fleet breaks off pursuit, they will lose advantage and get destroyed. They can't turn or fly into the enemy fleet because of their speed and vector (just like an aircraft can't perform certain maneuvers due to airspeed and resistance). You need to remember that when space vessels are moving, they have been accelerating for a while and are going at fractions of light speed. They aren't that maneuverable.

>>151774827
They can still rotate the last few ships around and have them shoot at the enemy while still flying away with their existing momentum.

>>151775088
As much as I appreciate the counter argument by navy anon I also see no reason why the ships had to present their asses to laser fire instead of turning and reversing. We say this tactic used in other battles so we know this maneuver is technically possible.

Why don't these ships have turrets anyway? This nose gun business is clearly dumb.

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>>151775088
>>151775347

Space vessels are constantly accelerating. Cutting thrust allows chasing vessels to overhaul.

The few ships on the end could rotate to fire, however it would mean cutting main thrusters and being left behind by the rest of the fleet. It would be a pointless suicide. There is also the fact that they would be presenting their broad side during the maneuver, increasing chances of getting critically damaged.

>>151775347

It is possible, but you end up with the same issue in the Battle of Trafalgar. Once ships separate from the fleet and start mixing with the enemy, all the strength of having a fleet is lost. It also increases the chances of friendly fire, which you want to avoid.

Ships in the LoGH also have forward mounted armaments for fleet engagements. Unlike ships in say Yamato 2199, which use turret configurations for smaller engagements or skirmishes. Forward mounted weapons are akin to the early torpedo boats circa 1920. Massive amounts of fire power forward, but the ships can't brawl in closer engagements. Its a trade-off of firepower and firing angles.

In this particular battle the OP mentioned, it would have been possible to tell (either) of the fleets to reverse course and engage, however that would have caused a breakthrough maneuver followed by encircling of the enemy fleet (which is seen later in the series and doesn't end well).

In this particular engagement there was nothing either fleet could do to continue fighting. Turning to engage would lead to destruction, so the only option was to disengage, get distance, regroup and re-engage.

The ship battles are not meant to be realistic sci-fi, so any attempt to criticise them as such is folly.

>>151771290
>>151775692
Presumably their laser tech is at a point where they can't easily scale them onto a starship, so the most effective ship designs have clusters of lasers mounted within the bow of the ship in a forward broadside configuration. Think an age of sail man-of-war or ship of the line where their firepower was counted in number of cannons since modern battleship turrets hadn't been developed yet. Because of this ships in LoGH are generally treated similar to musket line infantry, firing in formation.

>>151771613
The reason why an attacking fleet can get away with charging into enemy lines is threefold: They are within the enemy's formation so the defending fleet can't fire freely without risking substantial friendly fire from missed shots, spaceships cannot melee like infantry do and the explosion and debris from blowing up one at close range would kill you too, and if the defending formation were to turn to face the attacking vanguard the defending fleet would be fully exposed to the attacker's rear guard.

>>151776337
All the negatives will apply to your fleet as well, though. The only way I see that making sense is if you're planning to leave the field and want to create a gap between yourself and the enemy by forcing them to do a full turn and losing their speed.
But if that's what you had in mind, you wouldn't be turning back towards them and engaging in this snake business, now would you?

>>151771290
>>151775692
The novel went into a bit more detail than the show regarding why combat was what it was. Basically weapons tech accelerated faster than ship design, armor and miniaturization could keep up with, hence the spinal mounting and fragility of the ships. There were turrets in both the novel and OVA, but those were good for point defence only.
Similarly, sensor, communication and ECM tech became so advanced and commonplace that they rendered the others completely obsolete, which necessitated mass visual scanning, tight fleet formations, and courier shuttles for communications.

>>151774140
turn radius could be large enough that ships with exposed side armour would be out of effective range.

>>151776815
The negatives do apply but the attacker is at an advantage. By concentrating their entire formation on a single point of the defending fleet they only have to worry about shooting the ships in their path. The speed of their advance would then be determined by the speed which they could sink and clear away the ships in front of them.

The defending fleet is at a major disadvantage as the "column" being attacked is effectively defending against the entire attacking fleet at once, while the rest of the defenders can do nothing but pick away at the outside edges of the attacking formation.

By using the drill formation in that particular battle Reinhard aimed to apply this on a larger scale by "drilling" out an increasingly widening area of the defending formation until every defending ship was wiped out.

>>151769662
havent you heard of spin to win?

>>151769662
I thought the point of that battle was that Reinhard's and Yang's keikaku battle became so evenly matched because the instant anyone moved, they made the perfect counter move, that it ended up being in that circular stalemate.

In a larger sense, though, the battles tactics are mostly trash in Logh, it's mainly a show about personalities.

>>151769662
Have you never been in a dogfight? You can't do that shit or else you'll get fucking shot. That's why you either do the tornado or some variant to catch the enemy off guard.

>>151769662
This is a series where the admiralty didn't understand force concentration and someone was considered a genius for not waiting for the enemy to rally 3 fleets against them.

>>151777787
Is this taking place in space? If so, almost none of the normal dogfight rules apply here. Combat in space would be totally different without gravity and air drag. Very tight turns like you're used to seeing would be almost impossible.
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>>151774565
Make it a really, really, REALLY long pole.

Or if a long pole can't warp, let it be a thicc ship that unfolds into a long pole after warping.

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>>151776337

>>151778478
This. Primary thrusters are on the rear, there is no air to make use of mechanical steering options that you find on contemporary aircraft. All you have to steer in space is weaker supplemental thrusters located at intervals around the rest of the ship. They aren't sufficient to overcome forward inertial forces instantaneously, especially when a craft has been accelerating for awhile.

>>151769662
It's /lit/fic. So the reason the ships as an ouroboros is because symbolism, and asking for any deeper reason than that is pure vulgarity and you should stick to baby-tier cartoons instead.

>>151777587
>assuming that you can get to the safezone without injury.
you're just a lost sheep once the enemy took their chance to circulate around you.

>making huge ships
>not just making thousands or millions of 1 man fighter, bomber,suicide and escort ships
killing 300 men is a good opportunity
killing 1 man is a waste of bullet or energy

>>151779386
The little ships run out of fuel too fast.

>>151779512
then they crash it to the enemy ships

>>151776337
Is it like the case in Homeworld where the ion cannons were so large and long you literally have to build a ship around it

>>151779624
Kinda. It's also why they never fail to explode spectacularly if you so much as sneeze on them.

>>151779386
>not just running a simulation and basing the outcome on that

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>>151778944

And this is what made STW:FotS a nightmare when attacking in naval battles. The AI would just make a line and sit there. The only way to win was to split into two groups and hope to get into firing position fast enough to take advantage of their tightly-grouped formation.

>>151779722
Magnificent Design

Does anyone even care about war strategies and logistics in LoGH? I stopped watching the show literally after that retarded first battle.
>hehe, we will part our forces in 3s and attack from all sides
>oh no, the full enemy fleet is charging full ahead
>rip 20k ships
>oh no, they have defeated us, sound the retreat
>hehe ez pz, you are a master tactician Lord blonde-sama
>tsk, nothing personal kid, simply a matter of numbers
Fucking nips. No wonder they lost WW2.

>>151779976
>Lord blonde-sama
They literally call him "poop".

>>151779763
>simulation
you can simulate the something that cant be quantum-ed anon

>>151778944

Meanwhile in world of warships, the battleship bow forward meta going reverse, and xy-z cannons layout is a thing that dominates high tiers. (yeah i know in space you cannot arc fire over teammates).

>>151779976
To be fair, and it's something only alluded to in one or two lines in the movie, Reinhard had to really haul ass to reach the center fleet in time. The alliance was expecting them to arrive hours later, and Reinhard's fleet's formation had become messy by the time they arrived. The only reason it worked was because of their superior numbers since the center fleet was also the smallest. The other admirals were against it because they were biased from experience into thinking that a fleet in formation's top speed was a set in stone number and letting a formation fall apart like that in favour of speed was unfathomable.

Distances and speeds are the only really wonky things in LoGH. The strategies are passable but you won't enjoy it if you read too deeply into them, there's no time to explain every little detail or it'd just be exposition hell.

>>151779976
Logistics will be a thing later on in the series and Yang is constantly pulling some really faggy tricks.

>>151781002
it's an obvious bait anon.
but in addition, the empire's noble were intentionally put in as idiots to display the decay of goldenbaum dynasty at best. Their incompetent and divisioness is the proof of why their soldiers wanted to join Reignhart

>>151770148
You don't know fuckall about naval warfare or warfare in general, do you?

>>151772681
Some of the space battles are literally Napoleonic era infantry and naval tactics. They don't make a lick of sense but they look cool.

>>151779018
>All you have to steer in space is weaker supplemental thrusters located at intervals around the rest of the ship
What is thrust vectoring

>>151781002
Also the novels do a better job at explaining that the fleets are several light-hours apart from each other at the time.
They all expected Reinhard to hunker down and try to Testudo his way though their onslaught, but he decided to, like you say, slam on the accelerator and play wrecking ball.

>>151770148
>make 5 powerful ships
>get out maneuvered by 1000s of other ships.

Great job retard.

>>151770148
Maybe they can't?

>>151781739
It's not much a matter of being outmaneuvered, it's a matter of getting swarmed and BTFO, assuming you don't have escorts.

And there is no reason whatsoever to make huge ships. They'd be a logistical nightmare, expensive, slow, and have limited applications, something akin to cruisers would be much more cost effective.

>>151774489
>>151781739
I think he thought in the terms of other sci-fi universes and fails to see that ships here work differently.
Thor Hammer was one of a kind, and it seems they had a really fucking hard time building it, since they only made one (and planned to build two more IIRC).
There are verses that could annihilate a LotGH fleet with only a few ships without rsking harm, but that doesn't amtter when discussing battles in LotGH.

>why these Napoleonic war era tactics in my heavily Napoleonic era inspired anime

>>151781858
Adding to this: assuming that in LoGH there is no Minovsky fuckery (I don't remember being much if any, other than in the asteroid belt battle) a very cost effective approach would be building "modular" fleets composed of ultraspecialized ships, for example ships dedicated exclusively to sensors and EW, arsenal ships that are armed with heavy lasers meant to engage from long range, assault ships with relatively heavy armor and railguns, etc. Replacing losses would be much quicker than if you used retarded unicorns.

>>151776169
They're literally Napoleonic infantery battles with space ships.

>>151781932
They built Iserlohn, and that was their entire space fleet budget for almost 70 years.

They planned to build two more Iserlohn-sized battlestations over Phezzan to protect the capital after Reinhardt conquered it.

>>151781972
The only reason you don't remember a bunch of Minovsky-like ECM effects is that in the setting it's considered such a major part of modern space warfare they don't need to talk about it. ECM is so effective that ships have to be in dense formations just to be able to talk to one another.

I can buy that the battles in this show runs on its internal logic but i still can't suspend my disbelief at how the 3rd dimension doesn't seem to exist in space. Envelopment really shouldn't be a thing if it's two fleets of roughly the same size considering how thin you have to spread your ships.

>>151782147
I think your logic works for some fights but in this case as the other player expands the circle in all dimensions the other player mirrors it same shit

>>151782054
There was also Gaiesburg Fortress, which was the same size as Iserlohn, but its guns just weren't as powerful.
At least in the novels.

>>151782194
Yeah, I guess the Hammer made Iserlohn so uberexpensive.
Unfortunatelly we have no data on how much Geiersburg cost.

>>151782054
>They built Iserlohn, and that was their entire space fleet budget for almost 70 years.
I guess their fleets constantly getting fucked over by the FPA's mafia didn't help.

>>151782492
I'd wager that the rest of the fortress costed much more than the weapons system.

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>>151782492
>we have no data on how much Geiersburg cost

A helluva lot more than they paid for it, that's for sure.

>>151782508
>I'd wager that the rest of the fortress costed much more than the weapons system.
I would wager otherwise.
Thor's Hammer seemed to be exceptional.

>>151783019
So did the system used by the faggot dressed like an ancient greek.

Aren't the fortresses like brand new planets? That's why I think the fortress itself would cost a lot more than just the armament systems, given you have to handle maintenance and all that on top of the initial costs.

>>151769662
God this show was terrible.

By the way, how are the books?

>>151770148
Retard alert

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>>151783372

Completely overrated and not half as clever as it thinks it is. Any social are political points it tries to make are undermined by outright straw manning and constant hypocrisy from the characters. It's also embarrassingly obvious that Yang Wen-Li is Tanaka's own Mary Sue (they're even the same age). I've just read the third volume and I'm not sure if it was Yang who was summoned to that court of inquiry or Marine Todd.

>>151783484
Better or worse than the show then?

>>151783484
So are you saying that it's one of the few cases where the adaption is better than the source material? Also do they have any fluff about the technology?

Speaking of ship, anything interesting? and wtf that legendary Silence of the ship banned everywhere and there

>>151783567
Watch Zipang and laugh at how fucking retarded every faction is, especially the JSDF cucks.

>>151783518
Pls respond

>>151783484
Isn't Arslan similarly shallow? I don't understand why the author become so beloved.

>>151785283
The translation is shit, the japs have shit taste, or the adaption of LoGH managed to improve the source material?

>>151783099
>Aren't the fortresses like brand new planets?
Not with 90 km diameter. More like artificial asteroids.

>>151785947
Artificial gravity?

>>151785283
>>151772681

Big fish in a small pond. LoGH is puerile in a world of actual literature but in the land of high school thundered romcons it's Proust.

>>151781596
Try reading http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewartactic.php

>>151786409
Yes, didn't you see all the walking people on the ships?

>>151787200
I meant to ask if Isherlon has 1G artificial gravity. Given how fucking big it is I imagine that maintaining the equipment for it must be a nightmare.

>>151769662

It makes sense if their laser turrets are fixed on the sides of the ship and can't be rotated to fire forward. Similar how sea ship canons were mounted.

How viable is Interstellar style artificial gravity using centripetal force?

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>>151787290
Too bad all their main armament is forward firing.

>>151787290
why dont arm as a sphere then?

>>151772257
underrated post

>>151787349

Then they are strafing to avoid enemy lasers.

>>151786436
How often is "great literature" accurate literature?

Any autist can find factual/logical errors in almost any piece of literature.

Just how feasible is Romeo and Juliet?

>>151785744
The adaptation adds a fuckton of things, the books move at a breakneck pace compared to the show.

>>151783567
Watch Fafner for a 60km cloaking submarine island fortress powered by immortal ayy lmao.
Also what remains of NATO/UN/Slav is led by a nuke happy granny.
Oh and 60km whalesquid ayy lmao.

>>151788392
Artistic license isn't allowed when you are discussing literary merit with someone that sights nitpicks and semantics as some story ruining flaw.

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>>151772257

And they can broadside both sides meaning 100% firepower while the other guys are shooting from two sides but at 50% each.

Guess who is doing more dps?

Why dont they make a few thousands of Casaba Howitzers?

Literally would destroy the entire enemy fleet for a fraction of the price.

>>151789184
>And they can broadside both sides meaning 100% firepower while the other guys are shooting from two sides but at 50% each.
Not only are their entirety of their main guns are on their front, not the sides, but you are exposing your large poorly defended sides to two different fronts. Not to mention you have two different targets while they have one leaving there firing power isn't divided.

I'm assuming you were joking but some people in this thread are stupid enough to think that's an actual argument.

>>151786436
>actual literature
Not saying that I think LotGH is a work for the ages, but I resent that term.
Pulp has it's own merits.

>>151787266
They wouldn't ned it everywhere.
And we don't know how costly maintaining artificial G is in the LotGH universe.

>>151787327
>Interstellar
Small reference pool much?
But certainly it's the most possible. So far it's in fact the only possible.

>>151790596
Honestly I hate that term and pulp to a degree. I don't like a story being looked down on just because of its choice of medium when it has the execution and writing to back it up. Many literary classics can be considered on the same standing as cinematic or animated counterparts.

>>151787540
Because spheres don't look like cool, badass sea-vessels.

>>151790701
Nothing wrong with the term "pulp" if it's used to describe the publishing method.
It's used synonymous with "garbage" by certain people who like to ignore that yesterday's pulp can be tomorrow's "great literature every snob pretents to know".

>>151790814
That's why I don't like it to a degree. When used for it's actual term that it's just more accessible and intended with enjoyment by the masses in mind, that's when I don't mind pulp. I hate when they treat it as synonymous with trashy stuff that just aims to grab attention with cheap writing.

All literature can be good regardless of the medium, it just depends on the writing/execution.

>>151786436
this arrogance reeks of /lit/. I doubt LoGH will be taught in high schools as a great work of literature 50 years down the line, but saying "real literature" is almost always an excuse to say "my tastes are better than yours"

>>151791607
I'm curious, what are other examples of poliscifi from classic literature? I know from anime the closest recommendation I get that people say is on par would be Dougram though it leans more specifically to military structure/spending and economics. What are some renowned or great examples of poliscifi, especially those you would consider better than LoGH?

>>151791773
not better, or worst, but logh almost has no competition. If you compare it to star strek then it would make no sense because star strek is high schi-fi that apply Alien races to contrive a plot. Dune is also great example, but its political compass points heavily toward monarchism and hierarchy fuel.

>>151791976
Dunno, the lesson Dune seems to portray is "Feudalism and adherrence to tradition are bad, because everything stagnates and nothing goes forward, until something bad happens and everyone dies."
The entire plot of the original novels was about making it impossible for a single entity to control all of humanity ever again and forcing humanity to diversify both culturally and as a species.

>>151769880
Why don't you fly above or below?

>>151771613
Why don't they have broadsides

>>151791976
I would call Dune more along the lines of a fantasy epic that prefers to wax poetic while asking philosophical, sometimes rhetorical questions. Star Trek however isn't as much politics as it is more a commentary on modern society wrapped up in an adventure epic.

So ultimately you are saying people are full of shit that LoGH should be considered some entry level and crude poliscifi work? Because the only series I can think of that are poliscifi is Ender's Game which has a different scope and leans more towards military much like Dougram. There is also Logan's Run but that to my knowledge isn't really political drama.

>>151792691
They do sometimes, but the main thrusters are rear loaded and designed for fast interplanetary transportation. This means they need considerable distance in order to maneuver that way. Also there are many unexplored parts of space and areas of antimatter/unstable space that they have to maneuver around or else their ships literally will get pulled into black holes or collapse in on themselves.

>>151792720
Because then they'd have to make unsexy fat ships.

>>151791773
Foundation? Or is that too broad-scale?

>>151792852
no anon, I just dont feel like you need to put everything under a rank of superiority. I was just answering >>151791773 's question within the scope political/sci-fi genre. Story telling is one thing, and story concept is another, it's whether the "telling" part can adequate the "concept" at its best potential. I enjoy of what is offered and make judgement upon the execution without needing to harshly apply my own rules into someone else's imagination.

>>151793603
Foundation is more broad scale while also not quite having the scope of LoGH, in my opinion. I guess it goes to show people that try to look down their nose at LoGH are really just trying to be contrarian. Thanks for the recommendations though.

>>151793853
Those were both me just to clarify. I'm not aiming for some sense of superiority I just wanted to clear the air about people scoffing that this show is some poor man's version of other "higher concept" written works. Seems poliscifi is actually a fairly unexplored genre, at least in a proper well executed/written form.

Ultimately I agree with you what matters most is the quality of writing and for the execution to allow it to explore it's intended themes while also reaching its intended scope, all while entertaining it's target audience.

The only thing that LoGH can be accused of being derivative of is actual history, which was very much intended.

while I do admit that the political aspect of logh in display is merely a introduction of politc 101, and it may turn out to be superficial as how it simplified the idealism of the political system as a whole, but with that being said, elaborating a grand scheme of political warfere while making sense isn't as easy people said. Logh so far managed to pull through few flaws and maintained its political consistency through out the ending. In this respect, I kinda glad that the terrarist didn't matter so much, because having it went religious undertone would have polluted the political sentiment this show constructed.

>>151787540
Spheres are larger targets in the front. Narrow spears of death are GOAT.

>>151794585
Terraists were the worst aspects to be honest. Not because they were antagonists but that in a series that shows the complexities and nuances of the characters on both sides the show seemed to write them as Saturday morning cartoon villains whose motives were facile to say the least. Almost none of there actions make sense given there motives (see: Keep FPA and Imperial forces in conflict to somehow make Earth great again?)
OR the show could just be showing the illogical and retrograde effects of fanaticism.

Should I buy the novels?

>>151779976
>Does anyone even care about war strategies and logistics in LoGH?
Use of strategy is one of the most common praises that this series gets.

>>151795408
>could just be showing the illogical and retrograde effects of fanaticism.
one way or another, mysticism or religious driven force are bound to die out in a modern civilization. Traditionalism is need to be scarified for the sake of progress.

>>151769880
I remember seeing LOTGH fans get genuinly triggered off how inaccurate this picture was even though its pretty much an example of how shallow the tactics in the series actually are.

>>151795443
You should definitely read them if you liked the anime. The translations are available online for free if you can stand reading an entire book on a moniter

>>151795677
>Use of strategy is one of the most common praises that this series gets.

sadly it's the other way anon, it can be dry sometime. It's basically old fashioned war in sci-fi coating, except the battle between giant fortresses that one was definitely beautiful. The tactic be as "if I do this then this will happen," the sci-fi aspect isn't too explored, but hopefully it will get fixed in the future.

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>>151775692

Because pumped lasers are fucking huge.

>>151795708
>Traditionalism is need to be scarified for the sake of progress.
That being said, as civilization progresses and reached it's "apex", would traditionalism naturally take course as society adopts/adheres to an optimal culture and way of life. (Not to be too semantic)

>>151795758
>how shallow the tactics in the series actually are
In most cases, people who criticise the tactics don't know what they're talking about though.

I would argue that under the given premises LOGH tactics aren't even that bad.
Linear formations and planar manoeuvring make perfect sense.

>>151795677
The strategies themselves are dumb, but I appreciate that they use any grand strategies at all.

It could have been just another series where a single hero always saves the day by being the best fighter pilot/mech pilot/gun shooter/sword swinger/fist puncher/etc.

>Yang defeats Geiersburg Fortress by piloting his person experimental prototype Spartanian X-2000 into a trench and firing the impossible shot at their one weak spot

>>151795906
>except the battle between giant fortresses that one was definitely beautiful.
I still would have fired Geiersberg Fortress into Iserlohn like a giant cannonball. I'm glad they at least acknowledged the possibility, though.

>>151796040
>Julian defeats the Imperial forces by playing Beastie Boys music really loudly until the Valkyries explode

>>151795758
it's basically these >>151781002 >>151781145
it's not so elaborated as you as you want, but it's understandable, given that the image is alluding to the first battle of the show.

>>151796268
as much as you want*

>>151795982
By then humanity would have already dwindled out of existence.

>>151779386
IIRC the noel states that robot servants are a thing in the universe.
Why don't the FPA/Imperials staff the front line ships with purely robots to cut down on caualties?

>1 battle cruiser
>50 humans
>620 robots operating in optimal proficiency that aren't fatigued, demoralised, fear no death and can be remote controlled if needs be

>>151796367
because muh-ethical war is still a thing as long as people still believe in pride and heroism.

>>151796367

Because electromagnetic warfare has ballooned to the point where sophisticated guided weaponry is unreliable. Both sides are jamming the hell out of each other across all frequencies.

>>151796367
There must already be a lot of automation going on if they only have a bit over a hundred man per ship on average.

>>151795927
What about other ways of guiding the beam like fiber optics, wave guides, mirror arrays, etc?

>>151770148
Death Star is ftl capable, LoGH doesn't have the tech to move giant shit around so they exist as fixed point defense.
The ships are as big as they can be and still project force over the galaxy.

>>151775347
Inertia. If you come about to fire then what? How do you survive the maneuver in the mean time while you've cut thrust and are adrift in your turn?

>>151796846
>LoGH doesn't have the tech to move giant shit around so they exist as fixed point defense.
They moved Geiersburg, though everybody was shocked when they did it.

>>151780273
not useing remote gavity lenses to bend beams to target

Clearly you don't watch enough anime
this should help
https://youtu.be/OfOWzdrl0Io?t=127

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Why they really Norse pagans or were they just LARPing?

>>151796668
based on the wiki the numbers can range from ~135-630 depending on the ship type.
>>151796589
If that's the case they could just order them to blow away everything that isn't an Alliance vessel while using an onboard supercomputer for real-time battle calculations

>>151796367
Each ship already only has around 120-150 people, keep in mind ships of a similar size in something like star wars has thousands in each

>>151796817
All of those methods require the laser beam to actually touch things, and if you have a high energy beam capable of burning through metal and destroying ships the last thing you want it to be doing is touching things on your ship.

>>151795708
> Sacrificed
Spoken like a terrorist. Traditions evolve. Those that don't perish.

>>151797145
Or they could just man it with 100 guys from their forced conscription who aren't susceptible to hacking, jamming, or interference. Remember shit is jammed to the point they have to either cluster their fleet or use messenger ships/Daisy chain orders.

>>151797040
And the propulsion system was fragile as shit, whereas the deathstar has super shielding that can withstand entire fleets of direct barrage. The main thing to consider with logh tech is that shielding is a joke compared to the weaponry available

ITT:
>In the show, they don't do Apparently Smart Thing
>But anon! That's because of a Smart Reason that's conveniently never mentioned or depicted in any way!
e.g. EM warfare, constantly-accelerating vessels, ships built around central beam weapons, limits to FTL tech

There are limits to retroactive handwavium's capabilities.

>>151797272
Once a weapon is within its effective range it cuts through the shields. Pretty sure that range was a function of magic space beam diffraction and aiming being difficult in a universe where jamming permanently won the arms race.

>>151797333
It's all explained in the novels.

What's the matter, you don't like reading?

>>151797333
They discuss all of those things throughout the series, they just dont make it a habit to remind the audience every fucking time.

They could've picked a better point to start the series though, like starting with "100 billion stars, 100 billion lights"

>>151797333
You clearly have never been to my research lab in my mom's basement. We have perfected an handwavium that rivals plot armor level performance. We plan to release our work publicly as soon as we find a publishing company that will work with us at a reasonable cost and can handle 16 inch bindings as the documentation is too extensive for typical book manufacturing.

>>151797259
Didn't really think of that.
https://youtu.be/u8qgehH3kEQ

>>151797333
Complaining about the limitations of ship combat in LotGH is like complaining about the limitations of infantry combat in Dune.

>>151797499
Not him, but "read the novels" isn't a defense of the anime.

>>151798785
It's a refutation of calling it "retroactive" handwavium, since the novels came first.

>>151798785
>>151798842
The anime explained everything he brought up anyways or are apparent without needing to be spelled out constantly. Even if they weren't not like these small details would somehow ruin this show credibility like he's treating it.

>>151781972
In pretty much all battles, the fleets are actively jamming most of the communications and other detection. Which is while it takes so long for orders and information to travel the battlefield, and why so much emphasis was placed on visual contact.

>>151790674
>They wouldn't ned it everywhere.
Not having uniform gravity sounds like an awful idea especially for an object with such a small radius/mass.

>>151788733
Before the official translations came out all of the moon anons said that the books are much slower than the anime. I really should get around reading them.

>>151789600
>why didn't Hitler build fifty Maus and two or three Ratte?

>>151796367
Robots are stupid when you can set the ships to automate themselves. I was even shown in the final episodes that the FPA ships could work well with skeleton crews. The answer is probably not wanting to rely on computers too much on principle. Which is kind of a shitty design from an efficiency standpoint if you ask me.

>>151797259
>use messenger ships/Daisy chain orders.
I'd wager that is done purely for the sake of aesthetics and storytelling.

>>151801668
It is since in the old days that's how fleets communicated, but in universe they directly state they have to do it because of jamming. Also communication is one of the biggest strengths in any fleet, why wouldn't they prioritize signal jamming? Look how big of a game changer in history radio jamming was.

>>151797259
>Remember shit is jammed to the point they have to either cluster their fleet or use messenger ships/Daisy chain orders.
Li-Fi is a thing and can't be jammed, though.

>>151775692
To further the "they didn't have the necessary tech" argument you also have to keep in mind that it's cheaper to build fixed guns and that ships with huge energy weapons don't necessarily need to be able to swap target that quickly, because of the distance of engagements and RCS. If you want to see a kind of IRL parallel look at the Ka-50, it's cannon is mounted in a way that allows it only to point down and pivot to the sides a few degrees, and for aiming at other shit you just yaw the entire helicopter.

>>151801758
>It is since in the old days that's how fleets communicated
That's why I said it was a storytelling thing. And besides you even see the fighters communicate with motherships in some scenes so comms are usable.

>>151795758
>>151796040
All the battles are actual historical battles.
That semicircle formation was done by the Romans, if I remember correctly

>>151803429
Hannibal used it against the Romans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae

>>151796922
>he's never turned around while walking in the same direction

>>151804247
> He's never turned around while rocket boosting in reverse, suddenly realizing that he doesn't have rocket thrusters on his face and is going to be immediately over run and gang banged by the enemy fleet.

>>151779976

The only thing anyone who has every watched LoGH cares about is wanking in their own threads because they've watched muh space epic and shitposting in other threads with awful reaction images and dumb opinions about the anime.

I've never watched it and any interest I have ever had in it has long since been broken upon the rocks by every single insufferable LoGH fan.

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>>151804430
This, desu. I only watch it for Yang's racist antics.

>>151804406
Its space nigga everything in the universe is in a constant state of motion which should have little effect on this kind of maneuverability

>>151804609
It's a good thing you don't work for NASA.

Their primary thrusters are in the back so if they turned fleet that is chasing them would just rip them apart. Also they might crash into one another.

>>151797333
It's literally all there anon, all revealed within the first "season". You can fucking tell by the design of the ships that the guns are long. Why would you make a battleship (with forward facing cannons mind you, don't give me that broadside bullshit) big and long if the gun wasn't big and long?

>>151804609
> he has never Kerbal'd.
Give a ship magic fuel and it basically accelerate forever. Yes, even as it approaches the Cpeed of light there is a time dilation which means you can still keep accelerating which causes you to experience less time needed to cross greater distances. There is no known upper limit to the time dilation so eventually you'll cross star systems in a blink of an eye and entire empires will rise/turn to ash over a nice coffee.

>>151804676
Why would you need front mounted rocket boosters in space if you were already being propelled in that direction? Turning wouldn't slow you down in space and there is no friction of any sort so you would maintain that constant speed. The only issue with maintaining formation with the fleet would be in the scenario of them accelerating a significant amount. We already know the ships have boosters that can enable them to reverse relatively effectively. I don't really see how your analogy works in space.

>>151805689
Engines are high heat components and lasers are high heat components. Heat ventilation is a limited resource in space. You can't stack hot things on the same side of the ship without giving something up.

>>151805767
Just assume that heat dissipation technology in LoGH actually works very well. Otherwise I don't think the space fighters could even work.

>>151805767
You realize there were battles where Yang baited ships by reversing his fleet about as fast as the enemy approached his front lines right? Why are you changing your argument? We were discussing momentum not heat ventilation.

>>151805824
Even if it works well, a dedicated engine mount will faster than a hybrid engine/weapon mount, and a dedicated weapon mount will have more firepower. The potential of a hybrid Kiting vessel is limited.

>>151804430
>I watch anime for autistic caricatures of human beings
We get it. But for everyone not so blunted by a literally autistic perception of fellow humans it's a little awkward.

>>151805900
>The potential of a hybrid Kiting vessel is limited.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, the idea of something like a small fast attack craft equipped with powerful propulsion systems on all axes and short range armament sounds cool, especially if you can have it unmanned.