If tsundere is the worst dere, what's the best dere?
Tsunderes are the best dere, which would explain why there are so many copies that dilute the overall quality of them. A true lover of Tsunderes would be able to distinguish the gutter trash from the pure tsunderes.
Tsundere is the best dere and has created the best variations out of all other deres. Example: kamidere is tsundere with a god complex.
Tsundere is shit and the wrose dere ever created
Good thing it isn't. Tsundere is best dere.
Worst dere is either deredere that births boring doormats or hajidere that births annoyingly timid girls.
What does it even matter when no girl will ever be -dere to you at the end of the day ;-;
Is tsunshun a real type or is that term just a forced meme?
A well written tsundere > any other well written deres. Conflict and/or drama is the main thing other deres lack in order to make a great and touching story when a well written tsundere is involved. This is the main reason why Japan loves crafting stories with a female tsundere lead. The synergy is doubled if the male lead character is also a tsundere.
dere doesn't mean bitch
and dandere is a shy bitch
Rei and Yuki are kuudere you're not going to trick me into learning this again.
Sounds like you need to watch more anime and read more manga.
Nope. Pink Houki was the worst. As expected of a tsundere aka worst dere.
proper old school tsundere
Threadly reminder that Stella is shit and worst type of tsundere, unlike good classical tsundere such as Julis.
Nice triples. Also seconding.
It's funny how Kirinofags feel compelled to constantly go "U-U MAD" and use Manami as a scapegoat. It's as if they know Kirino is objectively shit as a human being and have to deflect the blame onto someone else out of their loyalty to generic shitty tsunderes.
Kuudere is the best because it has the most room for variance. Tsundere are too locked into the same formula most of the time. To give a small example, Origami (DAL), Akatsuki (Log Horizon), Yui (Yuru Yuri), Yami (To love Ru), and Yotsugi (Monogatari series) are all kuudere but they are radically different characters. Simply put, Kuudere has less limitations than Tsundere usually does. All a character has to do to be a Kuudere is not show many emotions most of the time. On the other hand, a tsundere has to be highly emotional, have mood swings between kindness and anger, and be embarrassed to reveal her feelings (dishonest).
Yandere is just a dumb joke.
Do any of the "good tsundere, bad tsundere" spouters actually have criteria they use to distinguish between the two, or do they just want people to stop liking tsunderes they don't like?
Shit archtype, pretty much just there so anon can pretend that every girls who have ever called him a fucking failure secretly lust after his dick
Probably for masochist
PURE AND LOYAL GIRLS WHO WILL NEVER BETRAY YOU AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO BE BY YOUR SIDE. LITERALLY OBJECTIVELY SURELY CERTAINLY THE BESTEST BEST, YOUR OPINIONS ARE SHIT, KILL YOUR FUCKING SELVES YOU FUCKING RETARDS
>a tsundere has to be highly emotional, have mood swings between kindness and anger, and be embarrassed to reveal her feelings (dishonest).
Congratulations. You know absolutely fucking nothing about tsunderes. KYS
This is why Oreimo's romantic development felt so raw and moving. Kuroneko too with her relationship with Kirino.
Tomato Tomahto, you can call them your friend if you want but a bitch is still a bitch good sir.
>that one faggot foaming at the mouth because of based Stella
Tsundere >= Tsunshun >= Himedere > Tsundora > Dorodere > Kuudere > Kiredere = Darudere > Dandere > Goudere > Genkidere > Ojoudere > Teredere > Bokukkodere > Bakadere > Yandere > Yangire > Hajidere
Posting more Stella to make your anal pain greater.
>the pinnacle of the tsundere archetype comes from a Shounen Jump series
Great archetype you have there.
Erina is a hidden diamond. Miracles do happen.
Yuno exemplifies a lot of what I find wrong with yanderes. Especially that bit where she basically goes "anyone's fine as long as i can defend on him". That's why I don't like yanderes, their "love" is nothing more than zealous obsession and doesn't take into account the feelings of the other party. Doesn't help that part of their appeal is simply the shock factor of their creepy and violent nature, and once that wears thin there's not much else to their characters.
That's obviously just a template. It doesn't mean there's only one tsundere who's the sole pinnacle. There's a plenty that meets the criteria shown there. Taiga has the requirements for pinnacle tsundere.
Samefagging pretty hard there, but no. Your posting style is pretty recognizable, and so is the way you get triggered by other girls from the same series as your tsundere and lash out at posts with reaction pics of them. You don't need to have read a series to recognize characters from it.
Shounen Jump isn't exactly known for being the pinnacle of characterization.
>Are you 10 years old or what?
No. I don't read Shounen Jump, after all.
Are you just going to sit her and pretend you didn't watch the whole show to know how the story developed? Her father had it coming for what he did.
Since you aren't, or rather can't back up your claim then I take it that you concede.
Her father doesn't remotely care for her well-being, at least not in any way that would give her comfort at all, and effectively skipped out on an event she was guilt-tripped into doing for his sake by Ryuuji, who didn't expect him to be such a dick
>Are you just going to sit her and pretend you didn't watch the whole show to know how the story developed?
Dropped it around there, actually. Taiga was insufferable, and I already knew that the second half of the series was pure forced drama. Sorry, there's no excuse for cunts like her.
You need to have a basic understand of male-female interactions to write a decent tsundere. The mistake a lot of writers make is confusing cute girls get even cuter when they get angry with simply angry girls are cute.
>I can now completely dismiss your ignorant and biased opinions.
Actually, those are just cold hard facts. The one conceding is you.
There is no THK. You're the only one who's getting BTFO.
Aren't you late. Your subjective opinion and conjecture that's an assumption grounded in ignorance and incomplete information aren't facts. And don't make me laugh. You haven't once supported the premise (modern) that you set. This was your third chance to do that and you haven't done so at all. It's obvious that you can't, so you're merely deflecting and moving away from that by introducing a different topic, one where you ultimately told everyone you haven't even watched half the season, so you don't even know what you're talking about.
Exaggerated and uncalled for violence is pretty much the defining factor of modern tsunderes. Not even him, but it's pretty obvious you're just desperate to deflect from the fact she's your average violent tsundere. You don't even need to watch one episode of Toradora to see that Taiga is a terrible character.
You really don't know what you're talking about at all. Violence is not mutually exclusive to classic, much less is exclusive to modern. The primary difference between the two is that one alternates between tsun and dere (often without end for exaggerated purposes depending on the genre). On the other hand, the other takes a gradually process to move from tsun to dere. That is all. And I haven't deflected anything. Violence was never a topic or even relevant. You're just proving to everyone that you are clearly ignorant on the subject.
And now you're anything but objective and everything biased who clearly segregates bad and good characters based solely on your aversion to violence for whatever personal reason. The fact you hate Taiga and even think she's a terrible character just because she did some violent acts while disregarding the whole story and character development proves that.
Speaking as someone who loves both classic and modern, I can tell you right now Taiga is the former. She has all the makings of one. It's more evident in the LNs, but the anime is also unmistakable about it. Taiga's progression is static, her feelings blossomed fully and didn't revert to being dishonest or anything after she and Ryuuji spent that special night tonight.
Taiga is best girl too.
The best. I'm going to catch me a Biribiridere.
>defends generic violent tsunderes
>thinks his opinion matters
Sorry, you proved you don't know shit right there. Nice samefagging, by the way.
Are Taiga apologists "THK", in other words?
>clearly segregates bad and good characters based solely on your aversion to violence for whatever personal reason
Most people have an aversion to bitches who get violent for no good reason. Hate to break it to you, but any tsundere who's violent will never be the "pinnacle" of anything, or even likable. Taiga's objectively shit.