If tsundere is the worst dere, what's the best dere?

Deredere, of course.

>>151627669
Dandere.

Well crafted tsundere is the eternal king. Oversaturation of poorly executed tsundere doesn't change this universal truth.

>>151627911

Pics or it didn't happen

>>151627669
tsundere isn't the worst dere
see >>151627911

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Tsunderes are the best dere, which would explain why there are so many copies that dilute the overall quality of them. A true lover of Tsunderes would be able to distinguish the gutter trash from the pure tsunderes.

Kuudere

>>151627669
Yandere is the worst dere, though.

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Kuudere.

>>151628389
Shit taste.

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>>151628315
This guy knows what's up.

Kuudere is a fake term.

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>>151627669
Tsundere is the best dere and has created the best variations out of all other deres. Example: kamidere is tsundere with a god complex.

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>>151629350
YOU'RE A FAKE TERM

>>151627722

This. bipolar cunts can go fuck themselves.

Yangire

>>151628389
>Yandere is the worst dere
I came to make sure this was posted. I fucking hate yanderes.

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>>151627669
Naidere.

>>151627669
I fail to see how this "goddere" is actually distinguishing itself from tsundere in any way.

It seems to just be a character who is a god acting tsundere.

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>>151630547
Tsundere is shit and the wrose dere ever created

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>>151630789
Stay wrong.

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>>151627669
>If
Good thing it isn't. Tsundere is best dere.

Worst dere is either deredere that births boring doormats or hajidere that births annoyingly timid girls.

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>>151627669
Hajidere.

>>151630789
>Manami
Worst dere right there.

>>151627911
This, desu.

>>151630878
Hajidere is shit.

>>151630878
I agree.

>>151630918
I understand why you may not like it since it's pretty specific but still, fuck you anon.

>>151630918
>t. Tsunderefag

>>151630945
>>151630958
t. hajiderefags.

>>151630878
Not a real hajidere though. She's a parody that subverts cliches of a hajidere by being a violent maniac.

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>>151630823
All this.

>>151631022
>violent maniac
Hajiderefags will defend this.

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>>151627669
What does it even matter when no girl will ever be -dere to you at the end of the day ;-;

>inb4 3DPD

>>151627669
kuudere

more like "cool" dere

>>151631111
Just close your eyes while listening to her speak, and she'll be speaking to you. It's not like you can understand what she's saying anyways.

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Is tsunshun a real type or is that term just a forced meme?

>>151631111
>3DPD
>wasted quads
>;-;
Only true anwser is killing yourself.

>>151631153
It's a real type and is another variant under tsundere.

Himedere

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>>151630990
N-no I'm not

>>151631022
>Elly
>violent maniac

>>151631191
I think Himederes are the one dere that are actually worse than tsuns.

>>151627911
kuuderes are well-crafted tsunderes but without the autism.

so kuuderes are the only answer

>>151631247
Fuck you. Himedere is one of the best.

>>151631378
Sell it to me, then.

>>151631396
Your mind is set so why bother?

>>151627669
>implying Tsundere isn't best Dere

>>151631459
You lack conviction.
No Hime would choose you.

>Tsundere
A bitch
>Kuudere
Cool bitch
>Yandere
Crazy bitch
>Dandere
Silent bitch

What else am I missing?

>>151631531
Go watch School Rumble, nigga.

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>>151627669
kuu

>>151631562
>Deredere
Boring bitch

>>151627911
A well written tsundere > any other well written deres. Conflict and/or drama is the main thing other deres lack in order to make a great and touching story when a well written tsundere is involved. This is the main reason why Japan loves crafting stories with a female tsundere lead. The synergy is doubled if the male lead character is also a tsundere.

>>151630785
I think thats the joke

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>>151631562
dere doesn't mean bitch
and dandere is a shy bitch

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>>151627911
Not true.

>>151631728
No, danderes (dan comes from danmari, which literally means silent/taciturn) are silent girls like Rei and Yuki. The shy ones are called hajidere (haji means shame).

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>>151627669
Slutdere

>>151631666
Then why are they done so shittily all the time? It can't just be because of shitty writers because mekaku had a shitty writer and the tsundere girls in that weren't shit.

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>>151631666
666 is truth.

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>>151631773
Rei and Yuki are kuudere you're not going to trick me into learning this again.

>>151631799
You only see it that way because you are biased.

>>151631780
Pic related for worst girl/dere.

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Thugdere.

>>151631871
Biased on which end?

>>151631866
Kuuderes aren't just quiet, they need to be "cool", snarky and dismissive. CC and Yumiko from Grisaia are typical kuuderes.

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>>151631799
Sounds like you need to watch more anime and read more manga.

>>151631938
Against.

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>>151631882
Nope. Pink Houki was the worst. As expected of a tsundere aka worst dere.

>>151631945
>posts a typical shitty tsundere

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>Top Tier
proper old school tsundere

>Mid Tier
Kuudere

>Low Tier
Yandere

>Worst Tier
Kanedere

>>151627669
The best dere is actuslly tsundere. You are mistaken.

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>>151631968
Threadly reminder that Stella is shit and worst type of tsundere, unlike good classical tsundere such as Julis.

>>151627669
Kuudere. They can have the snarky streak that tsundere have, but they aren't insecure, projecting, spiteful bitches.

>>151631995
>Manamifag
No one cares about you and your shitty abd unpopular girl.

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>>151632047
Stella is great.

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>>151631666
Nice triples. Also seconding.

>>151632115
>triggered THK

>>151632090
It's funny how Kirinofags feel compelled to constantly go "U-U MAD" and use Manami as a scapegoat. It's as if they know Kirino is objectively shit as a human being and have to deflect the blame onto someone else out of their loyalty to generic shitty tsunderes.

>>151630593
>>151627669
damn, haven't seen these anime discussed/used lately.

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Chidori a best.

>>151632115
Trolling chart is trolling. It is entirely backwards.

>that one faggot who defends literally any tsundere no matter how shitty and calls anyone who disagrees "THK" is here
Thread ruined.

Kuudere is the best because it has the most room for variance. Tsundere are too locked into the same formula most of the time. To give a small example, Origami (DAL), Akatsuki (Log Horizon), Yui (Yuru Yuri), Yami (To love Ru), and Yotsugi (Monogatari series) are all kuudere but they are radically different characters. Simply put, Kuudere has less limitations than Tsundere usually does. All a character has to do to be a Kuudere is not show many emotions most of the time. On the other hand, a tsundere has to be highly emotional, have mood swings between kindness and anger, and be embarrassed to reveal her feelings (dishonest).

Yandere is just a dumb joke.

>>151632115
>Praises a shitty tsundere like Stella, but hates a good tsundere like Julis
You are as contradictory as ever, Stellafag/THK.

Do any of the "good tsundere, bad tsundere" spouters actually have criteria they use to distinguish between the two, or do they just want people to stop liking tsunderes they don't like?

>>151632115
It sure didn't tske long for you to reveal yourself. If I didn't know better, I'm pretty sure you made this thread to sperg at every tsundere that offends you.

>>151632242
take*

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>Tsundere

Shit archtype, pretty much just there so anon can pretend that every girls who have ever called him a fucking failure secretly lust after his dick

>Dandere

Autism

>Kuudere

Probably for masochist

>Yandere

PURE AND LOYAL GIRLS WHO WILL NEVER BETRAY YOU AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO BE BY YOUR SIDE. LITERALLY OBJECTIVELY SURELY CERTAINLY THE BESTEST BEST, YOUR OPINIONS ARE SHIT, KILL YOUR FUCKING SELVES YOU FUCKING RETARDS

>>151632191
>a tsundere has to be highly emotional, have mood swings between kindness and anger, and be embarrassed to reveal her feelings (dishonest).
Congratulations. You know absolutely fucking nothing about tsunderes. KYS

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>>151631666
This is why Oreimo's romantic development felt so raw and moving. Kuroneko too with her relationship with Kirino.

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>>151631728
Tomato Tomahto, you can call them your friend if you want but a bitch is still a bitch good sir.

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>that one faggot foaming at the mouth because of based Stella

>>151632304
Old style tsundere died out a very long time ago.

Tsundere >= Tsunshun >= Himedere > Tsundora > Dorodere > Kuudere > Kiredere = Darudere > Dandere > Goudere > Genkidere > Ojoudere > Teredere > Bokukkodere > Bakadere > Yandere > Yangire > Hajidere

>>151632402
Stella is shit though. Kill yourself.

>>151632402
>Liking Red Houki

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>>151632479
>>151632489
There he is.

I really hate all the term dandere because it adds nothing. Those characters are all kuudere and you cunts are just confusing things. No one in Japan calls kuudere characters "dandere."

>>151632502
>Spamming more shitty Stella because you are mad
t.Stellafag.

>>151632502
Who and why haven't you killed yourself yet?

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>>151632557
>>151632580
So assblasted.

>>151632554
It's not confusing at all. You have to be really retarded to think it's confusing. Kuudere and dandere are different. Plain and simple.

>>151632615
>stop hating mai shitty waifu!
t.Stellafag.

>>151632554
You can't put Rei clones in the same category as CC, Senjogahara, etc. It just doesn't work.

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>>151632047
Good chart.

>>151632439
No, you just only watch shitty anime.

>>151632617
>>151632649
You can and Japan does. The term dandere just confuses me because I've literally never seen it used in an anime manga light novel or visual novel.

>>151632615
Answer the question, you fagget.

>>151632489
they are nothing alike, kill yourself
Houki is the worst shit ever, even Kirino is better than her

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>>151632638
>>151632686
Posting more Stella to make your anal pain greater.

>>151632708
Yeah, Claire of IS 3.0 Hundred is the real Houki clone.

>>151632741
Pretty sure no one besides you is mad. You're getting baited and triggered like hell. Good job though.

>>151632453
Not enough deres. I'm sure we can add more to this.

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>>151632047
>the pinnacle of the tsundere archetype comes from a Shounen Jump series
Great archetype you have there.

>>151632880
Not even close again, is like you forgot how shitty Houki is, I had an image to display her usual behavior, but it seems I deleted it

>>151632741
>I'm going to show off mai shit taste because people are hating mai shitty waifu
Kek.

>>151632943
>filename
So true. It's funny how cancerous tsunderefags are.

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>>151632943
Erina is a hidden diamond. Miracles do happen.

>>151632943
>Megumi
Deredere is worst dere.

>>151632943
Erina is still the best girl in her series. What does that say about Megumi from the same Shounen Jump series?

>>151633036
Congratulations, you just proved the point the filename was making.

>>151633036
>I hate nice girls
>abuse me

>>151633036
>>151632943
samefag

>>151633064
>What does that say about Megumi from the same Shounen Jump series?
Derederefags can't defend this.

>>151627669
>It's not like
That's still tsundere you retarded anime cat girl

>>151632283
Yuno exemplifies a lot of what I find wrong with yanderes. Especially that bit where she basically goes "anyone's fine as long as i can defend on him". That's why I don't like yanderes, their "love" is nothing more than zealous obsession and doesn't take into account the feelings of the other party. Doesn't help that part of their appeal is simply the shock factor of their creepy and violent nature, and once that wears thin there's not much else to their characters.

>>151633068
Tsunderefags are so retarded they can't stop being cancer even when they are subtly asked not to be cancer at least for once.

>>151632453
>Teredere
What does this one mean? It sounds like it would either be identical to deredere or hajidere.

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>>151632943
That's obviously just a template. It doesn't mean there's only one tsundere who's the sole pinnacle. There's a plenty that meets the criteria shown there. Taiga has the requirements for pinnacle tsundere.

>>151633064
I wouldn't know, I don't read that series. It's funny how predictable the response to me using another girl from the series as a reaction pic was, though.

>>151633147
Anti-tsunderefags are just retarded.

>>151633175
>I wouldn't know, I don't read that series.
Your lie is so obvious.

>>151633147
Taiga is as generic of a modern tsundere as it gets. Literally a Louise clone, who in turn is a Shana clone.

>>151633175
>Feign ignorance once he is backed unto a corner
Derederefags, everyone.

>>151633175
And yet you decided to act like you know what you're talking about as if you've read the series by making a theoretical statement.

Didn't think that one through, did you?

>>151633217
>modern
Nope.
>Even implying shana is modern
Trolling.

>>151633208
>>151633251
Samefagging pretty hard there, but no. Your posting style is pretty recognizable, and so is the way you get triggered by other girls from the same series as your tsundere and lash out at posts with reaction pics of them. You don't need to have read a series to recognize characters from it.

>>151633217
Post scene where Taiga has consistent back and forth dere just because she alternated from hostile to lovestruck. You can't. She only became dere during the Christmas arc.

>>151633268
>knowing where a manga is serialized is acting like you've read it
Reaching pretty hard there.

>>151633295
Paranoid much?

tsundereshitter is getting btfo again

>>151633295
>Crying about posting style from two posts that has no pattern to it
>Triggered and mad as fuck
Derederefags are cancer.

>>151633321
>She only became dere during the Christmas arc.
>violent tsun for the majority of the series
"Pinnacle".

Kuu objectively the best and most loving

>>151633326
Oh pleaae. You tried to make a point by implying it's bad. Using SJ is your way to associate that implication.

>>151633367
Except her violent tendencies mostly stopped past the 6th episode. Try again and give your argument to back up modern.

>>151632943
>Same publisher that serializes Gintama, which also has god tier tsunderes in it
Problem?

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>>151633429
Shounen Jump isn't exactly known for being the pinnacle of characterization.

Tsunhater-kun autist BTFO.

>>151633479
Hinata >>>> Sakura

>>151633479
HxH must be shit too then.

>>151633479
Massively generalizing all of SJ using Naruto. Are you 10 years old or what?

>>151633444
Pretty sure she kicks her own dad in the balls around 10-12 episodes in. She's an absolute cunt.

>>151633479
>He reads Naruto
Kill yourself.

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>>151627911
Truth.

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>>151633539
>Are you 10 years old or what?
No. I don't read Shounen Jump, after all.

>>151628389
Well-made yandere is alright, sometimes great, but poorly made one is fucking stupid, boring and sometimes random.

>>151633471
Tsukkie is good. Most of the tsunderes that people in here are defending are much more like Otae, though.

>>151633573
Then your entirely agrument judt crumbled under your own zero basis weight. Well done.

>>151633550
Are you just going to sit her and pretend you didn't watch the whole show to know how the story developed? Her father had it coming for what he did.

Since you aren't, or rather can't back up your claim then I take it that you concede.

>>151633550
Her father doesn't remotely care for her well-being, at least not in any way that would give her comfort at all, and effectively skipped out on an event she was guilt-tripped into doing for his sake by Ryuuji, who didn't expect him to be such a dick

>>151633670
>Are you just going to sit her and pretend you didn't watch the whole show to know how the story developed?
Dropped it around there, actually. Taiga was insufferable, and I already knew that the second half of the series was pure forced drama. Sorry, there's no excuse for cunts like her.

>>151633737
I can now completely dismiss your ignorant and biased opinions. Thanks for conceding too, by the way.

>>151633737
>THK was BTFO so hard he has to pretend he didn't finish it
Haha, oh wow. I almost feel bad for Minorifags to have you on their side.

>>151631799

You need to have a basic understand of male-female interactions to write a decent tsundere. The mistake a lot of writers make is confusing cute girls get even cuter when they get angry with simply angry girls are cute.

is there such thing as a non-dere?

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>>151634206
>79 out of 499 are under 18
Wow, it's nothing.

>>151634206
Yandere and dandere confirmed worst dere. /a/ agreed.

>>151634206
>Old hags overtaking loli
>Deredere that high
>Imouto, school girl, kuudere, tsundete dropping by that much
25-30 group has shit taste.

>>151634204
That would be called real life.

>>151634401

Or most of us just don't give a shit about polls.

>>151634206
The tomboy domination will never not make me smile and sad because Japan has shit taste.

>>151633853
>I can now completely dismiss your ignorant and biased opinions.
Actually, those are just cold hard facts. The one conceding is you.

>>151633896
There is no THK. You're the only one who's getting BTFO.

>>151635632
>THK is still trying to save face
So sad.

>>151635632
Aren't you late. Your subjective opinion and conjecture that's an assumption grounded in ignorance and incomplete information aren't facts. And don't make me laugh. You haven't once supported the premise (modern) that you set. This was your third chance to do that and you haven't done so at all. It's obvious that you can't, so you're merely deflecting and moving away from that by introducing a different topic, one where you ultimately told everyone you haven't even watched half the season, so you don't even know what you're talking about.

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MikotoDere!

>>151635903
Exaggerated and uncalled for violence is pretty much the defining factor of modern tsunderes. Not even him, but it's pretty obvious you're just desperate to deflect from the fact she's your average violent tsundere. You don't even need to watch one episode of Toradora to see that Taiga is a terrible character.

>>151627669
Lolidere.

>>151637044
You really don't know what you're talking about at all. Violence is not mutually exclusive to classic, much less is exclusive to modern. The primary difference between the two is that one alternates between tsun and dere (often without end for exaggerated purposes depending on the genre). On the other hand, the other takes a gradually process to move from tsun to dere. That is all. And I haven't deflected anything. Violence was never a topic or even relevant. You're just proving to everyone that you are clearly ignorant on the subject.

And now you're anything but objective and everything biased who clearly segregates bad and good characters based solely on your aversion to violence for whatever personal reason. The fact you hate Taiga and even think she's a terrible character just because she did some violent acts while disregarding the whole story and character development proves that.

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>>151637044
Speaking as someone who loves both classic and modern, I can tell you right now Taiga is the former. She has all the makings of one. It's more evident in the LNs, but the anime is also unmistakable about it. Taiga's progression is static, her feelings blossomed fully and didn't revert to being dishonest or anything after she and Ryuuji spent that special night tonight.

Taiga is best girl too.

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>>151636783
The best. I'm going to catch me a Biribiridere.

>>151628389
THIS. Yuno killed yandere for me.

>>151637044
>THK still getting BTFO
Kek.

>>151637403
>>151637609
>defends generic violent tsunderes
>thinks his opinion matters
Sorry, you proved you don't know shit right there. Nice samefagging, by the way.

>>151637788
Are Taiga apologists "THK", in other words?

>>151637403
>clearly segregates bad and good characters based solely on your aversion to violence for whatever personal reason
Most people have an aversion to bitches who get violent for no good reason. Hate to break it to you, but any tsundere who's violent will never be the "pinnacle" of anything, or even likable. Taiga's objectively shit.