>not dead by one hit
I hate this manga
Oldfag here. Hey, I actually watched Genocyber on VHS in the day!
Genocyber is probably the single most purely nihilistic anime I've ever seen. Humanity is fucked. Everyone innocent is destroyed or defiled. Anyone with even the slightest bit of humanity is murdered or turned into a monster. The thought that there might be any part of the human species worth saving is completely torn to shreds in Genocyber. It is utterly misanthropic.
I think its that purity of sentiment that makes it so memorable. There were a lot of other OVAs like this brought over, filled with gore and violence. But none really come close to the level of absolute disgust for humanity that Genocyber had.
Great soundtrack too.
>Sounds like something a 14 year old kid would write.
That is what edge is.
Gore and death added because you think gore and death are cool but you're too immature and boring to actually know WHY they are cool.
Ass opposed to gorewank and comedic gore.
I liked Genocyber for the designs, music and general "ultraviolent nineties OVA" vibe that was so common back then.
"Edgy" is subjective and overused nowadays. I see things like FMA and Tokyo Ghoul as "edgy" in the way they convey things to be cool or dark.
Edge is used to shock the audience. It's cheap and lame. But it can be enjoyable in the right context. Like, Hellsing is edgy but very fun and suitable considering the vibe of the whole series.
Notice that it's always that one scene when people tell about Genocyber being edgy. That was a bit unnecessary, shocking, but I still don't know why they felt the need to actually create gore-sculptures out of those people in the hospital, instead of just killing them. The rest of the show is okay, that one scene stands out.
Thats funny, whenever I think of Genocyber trying to go too far, its the part with the little kids playing on the beach that are shredded into hamburger by helicopter chaingun fire.
I'm not actually sure what edgy means. Why is it associated with violence?
Edgy is the (failed) attempt at appearing cool or mature. Eg. excessive violence for the sake of trying to appear mature, pic related, or advertisements trying to appeal to teens by being "cool", yet failing miserably
>Because to be edgy is to shock people and challenge their sensibilities
No I mean what edgy has actually meant for decades. The Seinfeld episode about masturbation was edgy, because you didn't talk about that on tv prior, you simply didn't. It wasn't considered proper. Hell even in the episode they never say masturbate, they say "master of your domain".
But when the episode aired, it changed things. Suddenly it became ok to joke about that when it wasn't before.
In the 80s, saying a show/book was "edgy" meant that you were a latte-drinking wanker applauding the fact that the work deviated from standard morality.
In the 90s, it meant you were marketing a work and wanted to make the heros sound cool without scaring kids' parents.
In the 00s, it meant that you spent a lot of time online and you were saying a show was trying too hard to violate social norms or look cool.
Now if someone says a show is "edgy", it's usually a Disney-obsessed twat or a hardcore moralfag complaining that it isn't as clean as a Saturday-morning cartoon.
None of the previous meanings are completely dead, of course, even the oldest one. I've seen coffee shop types genuinely applaud something as being "edgy" within the last couple of years.
There's a new coldsteel in the town, kid
Someone is confusing the roles of original creator and script writer. The script writer is just a hack who gets given the ideas by the original creator and has to write a screenplay from it.
Elfen Lied wins by first on the podium but this one
How is Akame ga Kill not the first answer? It's pretty much exactly what a 14 year old boy would conjure up.
Wait, which definition of 'edgy' are we going by? Violence for the sake of violence or shock value for the sake of shock and being different?
A coworker of mine tried to get me to watch that. I could barely sit through the first episode because it seemed so crap.
Violence for the sake of violence can be fun. I think it's violence for the sake of shock and being different.
>liked Saya to the point that I rooted for the nerd to keep her alive
>years later when I found my seiyuufu, I looked back on her previous roles
>she voiced Saya
I know you don't care, but it happened more than once and I really feel it like destiny.
>nearly 100 replies
>still no mention of violence jack, one of the most historically infamous manga/anime ever
>this shitter >>151530195 even mentions fucking devilman, no doubt because hideaki anno cited it as an influence on evangelion
/a/ really is full of children these days.
It's not even good industrial metal, but it's the closest to a "cool" metal band and since it's heavier than LP ( which seems to be the AMV band by default) edgy kids seem to like it, but in comparisson to Marilyn Manson who dresses like a fag just for fun or Rammstein who can get really dark with their lyrics they come as soft
In short, it's the heaviest 13 yo can listen without scaring themselves
Yes, but people will say it doesn't because they like it. Smae with Fr, it's a good read but you can't deny that it's edgy as fuck.
Am the only one who hates every intineration of "Le Edgy Psycho Face". I could't get into Higurashi or Umineko because of how much they use those.
It sure is enjoyable but I can't agree more.
After reading Violence Jack I can assuredly say that Go Nagai has an amputee fetish
>it actually turns out comical
>children being murdered
>women being gang raped
>guy getting cut in half with a chainsaw in front of his girlfriend
Mahou Shoujo of the End is the epitome of edgy 15 years violence with zero substance
>Violence Jack is a parody
>guys! my headcanons apply to everything!
I remember seeing some late night anime in the late 90s on TV in south america where some guy/girl like fell over and either threw up his guts or they just fell onto the floor.
10 years later I start watching anime and I still haven't found it, it's probably not that bad but that shit's ingrained in my head.
Fran makes a pretty noticeable transition from its first volume into the rest of the manga.
The edge is still present, but I think that butterfly girl was the edgiest thing in the entire series. Later on the edge is a lot more slapstick in nature.
>Devilman becomes the target of PTA groups in 1972 due to shocking violence
>Devilman's anime isn't as popular as Mazinger Z, despite Nagai putting much more time and effort into it
>Nagai lashes out with an even more over the top work where several of his more well known characters are brutally murdered
Hm... purely a coincidence, huh?
I might be the icky person in the world, but I kept laughing on Big Order constantly so hard that it was painful. One of the most entertaining shows I watched. It's just fucking crazy how fun it is.
would you consider Eva for example edgy? The characters deprecate themselves in that story.
That's pretty much my expirience with it too, I had never seen a show fall flat on it's face in such an espectacular manner, and yet keep being so entertaining to watch.
It's one of those shows that belongs in the ''so bad it's good category''.
It happened to me once again this season with Bloodivores...it's just so awful and retarded I can't help but to love it.
It's more about the presentation than the substance. Self deprecation is one thing, going on a monologue about your flaws that does more to make the character look mysterious or badass than it does to actually accentuate their negative traits is another.
>going on a monologue about your flaws that does more to make the character look mysterious or badass than it does to actually accentuate their negative traits is another.
like this then?
>Self deprecation is one thing, going on a monologue about your flaws that does more to make the character look mysterious or badass than it does to actually accentuate their negative traits is another.
so you say that
>going on a monologue about your flaws that does more to make the character look mysterious or badass
is edgy to your taste?
>Did you think I meant that accentuating negative traits is edgy?
No, I was siting the kimochi warui scene as an exaple of
>to actually accentuate their negative traits
like I said,
>should of made it clearer.
Sometimes gore and violence can be so over the top it looses all impact.
>This is my curse.
>going on a monologue about your flaws that does more to make the character look mysterious or badass
I fail to see a correlation between the two in terms to "edgy" in a story.
Read the thread, some people got it right at calling out what edgy means nowadays. In short, edgy is using dark or taboo themes just for the sake to appear baddass or superior.
Now htat you mention it, it's rare that nobody has posted Ookami no monshou as a valid example.
I HOLD THE SPAGHETTI, NOTICE HOW IT IS ALREADY FALLEN FROM YOUR POCKETS!
For once I have to agree with the normies in this one, the rape was out of place and dragged on too long. Like, alright, you want to add shocking value to your work so you make the teacher get gang raped, but holy shit the rape lasted like 15 chapters. The fact that she went full ahegao in the end made it retarded too.
One time I saw an elder tier oldfag - 50's at least, grey hair, beard, chubby - wearing a Narutaru t-shirt at a convention. I laughed until I cried. Took his picture, but only of the shirt.
Edgy is just edgy.
Edgy can be not cringy. Cringy can be not edgy.
Darksteel the Hedgehog is both.
Elfen Lied is both.
Berserk is Edgy but not cringeworthy.
A monologue about inner "darkness" is mostly cringy but not very edgy
From my understanding the bath is used after you shower. So you pretty much get into a bath already cleaned up and use it to relax. Knowing that people typically share bathwater because at that point the water shouldn't be dirty even if a few people use it
Exactly, no clue what the author was thinking.
Funny thing, in the manga, the rape takes hours. They film it and sent to MC, keep raping til MC arrives, keep raping while MC fights his way in, and then keep raping until they finally broadcast it in youtube. Its like, theres a motherfucking werewolf outside like holy shit thats some crazy shit right there but first comes rape.
the guy probably wanted to make an entire chapter of just the character being raped, but somebody told him to spread the rape scene out over the course of a few chapters & went a little overboard.
Light is an example of edginess, isn't he?
Genocyber is a masterpiece. At least second movie was.
However you want edgy shit? - Elfen Lied
By far edgiest anime ever made. It is kinda definition of buzzword edgy.
If you want more violent and stupid garbage. I suggest violence jack.
Fuck this shit. IT was just edgy shit with a nonsensical retarded plot that was hard to follow. the characters sucked and I couldn't empathize with a single situation they were on. Doesn't help that there really wasn't a plot. If this were a full series this would be among one of the worst anime i've seen.
What was that manga with the kid who finds an alien butterfly girl and decides to keep her in his room an abuse her? His parents never find out because they don't talk much and the kid is insane because he outright tells people he caught this massive bug and asks them to come over and see it but they're too grossed out. It was actually pretty fucked.
Oh hey that's my fetish too
Time to read Violence Jack
I've gotten too many erections to Franken Fran. Almost came to that one where a chick splits into two chicks, then they dismember each other out of jealousy and she molds them into one body with two minds
Stopped myself tho
One time when I was sleep deprived I got a painful erection thinking of that dog chapter.
Is there such thing as good edge?
>qt grill gets raped, tortured and robbed by bullies literally every day
>takes revenge by killing all her clasmates
When I was like, 17 iirc, I wrote a story in the zambie apocalypse where some guy kidnaps a female survivor and tries to cut her limbs off to make her a sex slave, but he fucks up and she dies, then he gets chased off a cliff by zambies while regretting everything.
I told my therapist about it then too.
>Viper with gun
>max agi but no magic immunity
It's like you weebs will like anything as long as it's old anime and confusing, no matter how retarded it is.
The first review on MAL which gave it a 2/10 (0.2/10 on a normal scale) is a good description of this show.
Why do people come to /a/ of all places for recommendations? There are websites entirely devoted to recommending you shit. It's far more efficient than posting like a wet-behind-the-ears idiot here.
I feel sick and angry /a/. I mean, this kind of edginess can be interesting to look at and I can understand that it can be enjoyable, but some of the stuff pisses me off.
It's mostly how people are being treated by other people, constant rape, dehuminzation, amputation or some other fucked up fetish happening to someone innocent, etc. There's no shred of humanity or hope in this kind of stuff and it just makes me so damn pissed.
I can get behind (and even enjoy) gore or psychotic characters or whatever, but it's the stories themselves where everything is terrible and people can't find happiness or peace or something positive, ever.
Am I the only one feeling this way? And no I'm not saying to stop all of this, everyone's got their own likes and dislikes and it's all fine since it's fiction, but I was wondering if other people think the same way.
I know what you mean. It's one thing when you have it as a theme for a character or a plot point, like, say, Evangelion's "robots" or villains like Yoshikage Kira or whatshisface from Psycho Pass, and then there's having it for the sake of having it, just to be hip and have that shock value.
>no Elfen Lied
The entirety of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Nothing comes even close.
>no r9k goes back in time to rape their oneitis and kills big titty tomboy
i'm shocked, /a/
>Is there such thing as good edge?
Yes, but it's a very difficult line to walk. It's very easy to tumble off into unintentionally comedic territory, or fall the other way into being so bleak and unreasonable dark the reader feels no desire to keep reading.
Jesus, everytime I mouseclick I cut myself a bit more.
Is this supposed to be a parody of something?
It just keeps getting better and better.
Edgy basically means challenging what's considered to be proper and in good taste. Often gratuitously and for the sake of itself, but that's not a requirement for the definition. Overt violence and taboo sexual themes are an easy way to be edgy as well as being the easiest to identify, so those are usually the cases that are brought up.
>This must be the work of an enemy retard.
Oh shit I actually got something to add in here
just started reading this. That 2nd victim gave me feels. Was actually thinking she wasn't gonna change until she got lectured by her older friends saying friendship is important.
>linking the wrong animal abuse scene
Could be edgier, Elfen Lied has a small boy beating a little girl's puppy to death in front of her with a trophy, and then she subsequently splatters them across the wall, i believe
This made me feel physically ill
Im not a moral fag I swear
I'm not surprised, like another anon in this thread mentioned 80s & 90s anime gore was a bit more realistic, it showed bones, tendons, muscules, bodily fluids, had organic movement, etc.
Nowadays gore is just slicing an arm off and watching red color being sprayed everywhere.
nothing looks realistic or unsettling now, whenever a limb or something is ripped off it's animated like a balloon popping rather than flesh and bones being torn apart.
Despite all the edginess that shows like Re:Zero and Higurashi had most of it was pretty tame (I mean there was the fingernail scene in higurashi, but even that wasn't too bad).
Re:Zero's gore was especially poor, it was always just blood smears, and then half the screen would be darkened so you couldn't make out anyhting.
Even when Rem got Rekt she didn't look all that bad.
The only thing I can think of in recent memory that almost did this justice was Psycho-pass with the dominator's highest execution setting.
I specifically remember some scenes where you see the targets practically turning inside out.
Is Hellsing Ultimate the Devil May Cry of anime?
"Edgy" refers to something which is supposed to straddle the edge between acceptable and unacceptable. It is used with the implication that it overshoots and lands deep in bad taste territory.
I don't really feel Franken Fran is edgy though.
It's not taking itself serious enough to be edgy. It's more of a black comedy type of thing. I mean it got a cat with a mans head stitched into it, it has a girl using surgery to look like an anime character being mistaken for an alien, it has a bunch of people obsessed with getting lifesaving surgery by Fran openly murdering each other just so that she can operate on them.
It's way too self aware and silly to be edgy.
Fire Punch is so amazing right now.
I started a week or two ago and read the whole thing in one day.
If it gets an anime adaption /a/ is gonna hate it though because normalfags will latch onto it and make "Agni-kami" a meme
I didn't think that DEADtube could get edgier until the imouto arc.
This manga made me physically ill and I still dry heave when I remember all the shit up to where I read. (which wasn't much, mind you)
t. weak stomach fugboi who can't even watch Dead Alive or Salo.
I remember trying to read it either last year or earlier this year and I just felt dreadful, and had a bad feeling in my gut.
I usually don't mind rape when it's done for shock factor, but something about that scene was just extremely pungent in its disgust.
I don't think it had to be people who trusted him. It's just that he's forced to be level 1 unless he kills his party members to steal their levels and abilities, so he's constantly forced into a cycle of powerlevelling people who end up trusting him and then killing them during the boss fight.
I'd say not really, people go ">muh rape, so edgy", but really the rape/etc only exists to give the reader catharsis when he sees autistic goblin hating knight murder the fuck out of each and every one of them.
I remember this. I fully expected to roll my eyes at it like every other story that tries so hard to be depraved and sick but just ends up making a joke of itself.
But fuck, I was completely and genuinely revolted and sickened the whole way through.
Maybe it's because they actually stop the graphic depictions early on (really, there's not that much gore or violence that's actually shown after the first chapter) and leave what's happening to your imagination, I don't know.
Or even though you know what's really going on, it stops being paraded in your face and just influences the rest of the story.
Whether it's edgy or full of retard logic or whatever else, it's the only time I've every bought into a story like this one hundred percent.
I didn't finish it, because of how weak I was, but in my opinion when the author/director of a piece of media wants to do shock value right, I think it's best to show the aftermath, rather than the act.
For example if you see a town get raided and burned down the effect is less than when it's shown to you and you have to infer from the scraps.
depending on how twisted you are you'll create a more horrifying and twisted image of the events for yourself.
I'd say it generally involves a depressing plot twist or turn of events mostly found in the psychological genre. You grow to like a character involved with the MC and then his happiness is crushed before his eyes and literally and gratuitously pooped on. The story then gets edgier from there either becoming depressing, bittersweet, or unintentionally funny.
To be fair a lot of places outside /a/ praise some of the most poorly handled anime I've seen,or turn into hiveminds, but here people can speak freely.
That's not to say that we are some hivemind with superior taste.
Because many anons here are aware they have their guilty pleasures, and unique tastes in anime, and that's alright.
>Is goblin slayer considered edgy
honestly not at all.
Aside from that first chapter there's not much there, but implications.
When something becomes popular the new fanbase is usually full of incredibly annoying people who don't understand the series, and loudly insert themselves in places where they aren't wanted. Because of this all of the people who haven't read/watched the series start to associate it with those people and assume that if they like it it must be shit. The people who haven't seen it then start to hate it, due to that association, creating an environment where anyone who wants to have a real discussion about the series is stuck between people who don't even know what the plot is, but know they're favorite yaoi ship, and people who relentlessly belittle them for liking the same thing as the former group.
So everyone who actually likes the series stops talking about it and you're just left with tumblr/hottopic/deviantart tier normies and angry people who've never read the series saying it's bad.
Nah it's just there to establish the grim tone of what starts out as a generic questing adventure, introduce tension, and make us sympathize with the motive of a character obsessed with goblin genocide.
That manga where 3 girls are taken by some dude to a shopping mall for a fun shopping trip then:
- Girl 1 is given to a torture pervert who tortures her to death with beatings
- Girl 2 is immediately blinded and given to some other pervert
- Girl 3 is given to a third pervert to be a mate for his dog (the pervert is dressed like a clown)
then all the perverts get killed by some assassin woman
I forget what it's called
if anyone knows what this is, please
in a way thats even worse than normalfags because they dont really care about the other shit youve seen that they have no idea about
but /a/ will have a stroke whenever your taste is even remotely different to theirs
I want to tell this horrifying, jaded murdered that everything's going to be OK!
Akame ga kill
It was the most pointless edginess I've ever read in a manga.
One of the members of the antagonists' team who works for the empire honestly was a kinda good guy, but a bit of a pyromaniac.
Anyway he gets killed then his wife and daughter are raped by some mercenaries/special forces combatants hired by the prime minister.
And iirc one of them is a clown while the other is a furry
almost sounds like deadtube
On another note, how many of you read Battle Royale?
It was basically the blueprint for the hunger games
Definitely agree with that. Leaving people to their imaginations typically works far better than simply revealing everything.
That little amount of reservation goes a long way in preventing something that was intended to shock from possibly becoming trite or just feeling forced.
I feel like a fair number of authors in anime and manga don't really bother with this, though. Obviously it's a visual medium and whatnot, but I wish more people exercised the power to NOT to show things or go through them so graphically. If they did, this thread would probably be a lot smaller.
Edge is attempts at seeming mature and gritty with gratuitous amounts of silly violence and torture porn.
Rippan and Tearan threads showcase the awe-inducing brutality of nature, nothing silly about that.
That's like saying Jin-roh is edgy.
>Akame ga kill
with what i heard im not surprised
>pointless edginess I've ever read
even more of a reason to check it out
>natural and common occurring events
surely you jest
>even more of a reason to check it out
have fun, it starts out decently with some edge, but it multiplies exponentially as it goes on.
Also don't get too attached to best girl
More like at the same time in a standard gangrape setup.
There's also some eye-gouging going on for some reason. Also I just read this manga because of this thread. It's short and excellent, and I'd argue it's not all that edgy. The premise very much is, but it's done pretty well after the beginning.
Also one part made me feel enough to make me tear up, which happens very rarely, especially not with silly edgy torture porn.
Just read it for the same reason. At the end of the volume where the mangaka says he started off wanting to write an erotic story, everything immediately made sense.
>the chapter with the good guard
I wanna read this, but I doubt my heart could take it.
It's really weird, because as a kid I could easily handle looking at actual dismembered bodies, dead animals, and other forms of gore, anime or not.
However now I just feel sick, and sympathetic.
It's not like you actually watch the eye get popped out or anything like that. They show a panel with a disconnected eye on the ground and then the next time you see the girl, she's got the wound bandaged.
This show was actually decent despite the edge. I don't think all of the rape was necessary but for the most part it actually worked with the setting and story.
As soon as stuff like FMA and Fate Stay Night started being called "edgy" the word lost any meaning. It scarcely even means "dark" anymore; not in the way that horror or dystopian stuff is dark. It can be applied to anything more hardcore than MLP.
Heh. I surprised myself, too.
Also, my tearing up was due to the chapter where the father saves his daughter. Hit me like a truck.
It's actually not nearly as graphic as some of the other stuff shown in this thread, although the realistic style makes what's shown much more impactful. Read it or don't, but it made me feel horrible in a good way, instead of just leaving me disgusted with myself like gory mangas usually do.
The difference between the two depends 100% on the context and the buildup. Is it just another panel of gore porn after a hundred others? Was this just a cute SoL until the author decided to pull some murder out of his ass? Are we attached to the characters to which this is happening? It's very easy to be edgy.
For example, if the Eclipse in Berserk just happened at the start, without character development or buildup, it would just be an excellently drawn piece of edgy shit.
I'm guessing it's just edgy.
>the chapter with the good guard
we dont talk about that
these days any asshole can call a series that he doesn't like edgy just because it has a dark setting, and when asked why it's shit they just responds with
>it's too edgy for me
without giving solid arguments or even watching/reading it in the first place
Watched the film 10+ years ago and loved it. Then read the book, then finally read the manga four or so years back.
Goddamn the manga was edgy as fuck. That slutty chick fucking the dude to death was fantastic.
>manga was edgy as fuck
I typically think a lot of edgy stuff is done poorly, and it usually ends with me disliking it.
But with Battle Royale something about it just came together in a really fitting way.
The beggining with the adoptive mother kinda made me pissed off though, but it made me realize what I was about to read.
It was such a fun read, that one autistic kid who was fucking unstoppable also was entertaining as fuck.
He was already shot, or stabbed, and as he's bleeding out she rides him to death.
She did so while she was out of her mind crazy and didn't realize she was killing him.
In addition she had daddy and abandonment issues, so when he dies from her fucking him she starts crying and goes on a "oh, so you're leaving me too now?! you're just like papa?" kind of monologue.
Wait, they fucked? Did I read a censored version? There was only
handholding and kissuwhen I read it.
Just finished reading this.
The reveal that raping a girl when he was a kid literally gave him the confidence to be successful in life made me lose my shit.
Still, though. Tomboy didn't deserve her fate.
what do you guys think really goes on in these author/artist's mind?
Umareru Kachi no Nakatta Jibun ga Anna no Tame ni Dekiru Ikutsuka no Koto.
Only 21 chapters and they fly by.
Oyster doujins are some of the most edgy things i've ever read. He seems to be struggling to one-up his past efforts and the result is just sorta funny.
And here's another page that always stuck out to me.
Violence != Edgy to me. I've always seen edgy as someone trying to act all dark and angry for seemingly no reason other than to be angsty and "unique". Like someone saying "I don't give a fuck about anyone or anything and you can all just die!" That is edgy. Not so much just any act of violence.
Yup, he even did a short chapter about the aftermath which was basically the main girl losing her fucking mind and being confined to some basement as a sex slave hoping that her family suffered when they died. Pretty edgy stuff.
Interesting to see that Oyster is starting to give males the abuse too, and not even traps either.
I have to admit this one gets to me a little since the main girl sorta reminds me of Komaru from Dangan Ronpa
Does Uziga Waita count?
This page bothered me a whole lot more than anything you find in his harder guro stuff.
Didn't mean to reply with this comment. Oh well.
I wanted to say SnK but it's only ironically edgy. Every time someone tries to be unironically edgy they either die or get otherwise BTFO.