How many of you actually loved the experience of watching Evangelion

I nearly came in my pants as I was watching EoE

>>151310646
I watched it a while ago and didn't get it, thinking of watching it again since I like the designs and all. I don't really talk about it since most of the discussion is waifu arguing and memeing about it.

I unironically don't understand how people simply don't get the ending.
It's nothing too complicated unless you're a dumbfuck or just not paying attention. End of Evangelion basically spoonfeeds you the ending

>>151310727
My problem was I understood what was going on, I just thought it was all so bland and basic and boring.

>>151310646
I loved it. I still love Eva, I just realized it wasn't as amazing as I thought it was when I was younger and more depressed but still pretty good.

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MARI BEST GRILL

>>151310646
It was my first anime to watch all the way through. Have rewatched it with various people almost once a year.

Always enjoy it.

>>151310646
Nothing else came close. It's beautiful in its destructiveness.

>>151310845
>I unironically don't understand how people simply don't get the ending.

Your average anime viewer (or /a/ poster) has rarely encountered anything more complex than the flavor of the month Sol,trainwreck, or ln adaption.
So anything with a hint of abstraction is most in them.

>>151310646
Is this thread bait or are you really this stupid?

Why would I lie to fit in with people who'd, more likely than not, tell me to kill myself?

>>151311159
Neither

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>>151310646
I wouldn't say I loved the experience -- it was more an exercise in masochism for me, picking at emotional scars from my teens that I thought had been long healed.

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20 years later, I still get pleasant dreams of being together with Asuka

The most beautiful story, both EoTV and EoE. A story of a person who grows up and accepts the life as it is. Shinji is the bravest anime character ever.

>>151310868
Well I watched it back in 2001 when I was still pretty young and just getting into anime other than ghibli so that might have had a bit to do with it

>>151311461
I feel like that's how a lot of people are. All the people that liked it either watched it as they were young or new to anime. I just watched it this year after completing many anime series before.

>>151311520
I wasn't either of those things.

>>151311720
I should have said "It seems like all the people -"

I assume you know that NGE is one of the most popular anime ever made and a cultural phenomenon that reshaped the industry. So how exactly does any of that make you think people are just pretending to like it?

>>151311207
>19 year old Asuka
muh dick

I like monsters and unusual/fantasy stuff so. I liked it the first time i watched it. Though i didnt enjoyed shinji's emo moments and asuka's attitude. But the evas. Specially shinji's unit going berserk was amazing. Always wanted to see he other evas do the same. Specially the black unit. It had a nice design. I also liked the angels and the fun moments like misato's taped car. Pen pen. Thermal expansion and so on

Would watch it again

>>151312160
>cultural phenomenon that reshaped the industry.

how so?

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>>151310646
I felt like the show had a lot of "filler" to be honest.
Lots of episodes near the start of the show where they just fight angel after angel without any significant character or plot progression.

Other than that it was pretty good

>>151310646
I jacked off during the part where everyone turned into LCL in EOE.

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>>151312192
Meguro has a way with the characters.

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>>151312331
It was pretty much responsible for the late night otaku anime phenomemon, and it still gets used to this day in advertising campaigns.

>>151312467
what the fuck is this dyke doing
leave my Asuka alone you bitch

>>151312331
>cultural phenomenon
It became really popular and even reached into japanese mainstream.

>reshaped the industry.
Made late night anime a thing, showed that original shows could be very lucrative which meant increased funding which subsequently brought the industry out of the early 90s stagnation period, made anime merchandising a thing, inspired creators to make quality shows as it proved that animated shows could get widely appreciated for being great works of fiction.

>>151310646
Rebuild was fun. Shinji wasnt as much of a piece of shit then.

I watched it and up until End of Evangelion, it genuinely feels like I saw a completely different show from everyone else. It's not that deep and it uses a lot of SOL anime tropes, not even in a deconstructive kind of way.

I'd recommended it for all ages.

>>151313034
The show isn't really all that special early on ,but it kicks into high gear at episode 15-16 when the characters start losing it

>>151312355
There were originally supposed to be like 28 angels or some shit but they narrowed it down to 14 fights in the final product.

Every angel fight had significance in developing a character or relationship. I think part of why people don't like Rebuild as much is because it cuts out a lot of "filler" that was actually important and added nuanced layers to characters.

Things like Jet Alone, Matarael and the power outage, or Magma Diver might seem like filler on your first watching. In reality, those episodes were critical in fleshing out the cast and giving the series its unparalleled sense of depth.

Jet Alone is key in the development of Misato and Ritsuko. We see that Misato has distinctively different personalities depends on who she's presenting herself to and will go as far as sacrificing herself to take responsibility for the actions and mistakes of those under her command. We see that Ritsuko is a prideful bitch who puts her work as a scientist above the lives of others, which gives heavy insight into her relationship with her mother and the three aspects of the Magi.

Matarael showed us that the kids could work together when they needed to and Asuka would throw herself under the bus if it made her look good. We also saw a bit of Rei's disregard for her life. Working with others helped sparked her desire for individuality and a desire to live.

Magma Diver was what solidified Asuka as a tsundere who's got the hots for Shinji, not just a bitch. We also see that Shinji actually has balls when it comes to protecting people he cares about. Also lore development about the angels being scattered around the Earth hints at them being native rather than aliens who came from Antarctica, an interesting tidbit that can be easily glossed over.

No fight or episode was purely there for filler or entertainment, and that's part of why we're still discussing Eva over 20 years later.

>>151312629
Asuka is a dyke

>>151310646
Why would anyone want to fit in on /a/ and be afraid to tell what he really thinks? This isn't reddit.

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>>151313833
Would you slap me if I pointed out the obvious right now?

>>151310646
I watched NGE when I was 12 and absolutely loved it.
I still consider it the best anime series I've ever seen. Few others come close to it.

I see people openly disliking NGE all the time, on /a/ or elsewhere. So I assume those who claim to like it are sincere.

I thinks there's more dishonesty in the posts saying NGE is shit or average (in order to troll the fans) than the other way around.

show is ok imo. nothing special

>>151314059
I agree that Eva stands in a class of its own. Its enduring popularity is unmatched by any other series. That's why discussion about it has basically remained the same on /a/ after all these years.

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>>151313794
You're a toiletlover

>>151314392
Kill yourself

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>>151310646
i watched it a year ago and i didn't pay attention for it the only thing i pay attention to is the doujins ! also rei has a better body than asuka's i didn't understand why would anyone think that asuka is has the better body design

I fell asleep during EoE, but the first 24 episodes were great

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>>151310646
fuck /a/ i liked elfen lied and bleach . they were both really enjoyable and i don't give a fuck about what does /a/ think of them !

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>>151310646
It's still my favorite anime of all time. It's a masterpiece. Fuck the meme-kids and their meme-dicks

>>151314684
>liking elfen lied unironically

Why are you still alive?

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>>151312467
>ring

>>151310727
Basically character try to self actualize themselves through other and of course that creates problems, but they learn to deal with these problems.

Just appreciate the human instrumentality for what it is.

>>151310646
>trying to fit in on /a/

Because I want a ton of other people to dictate what I think is good or not.

Evangelion amazingly managed to be both boring and surreal and I didn't like it. The MC was understandably a loser and I appreciated his growth and maturity, but I still didn't like him.

>>151310727
It's a self-help guide masquerading as a tribute to Freud masquerading as a character analysis masquerading as a mecha anime with cute girls in order to trick otaku into watching it.

If you're 18+ and still don't get it you either live a very insulated life, didn't pay attention, or are just plain dense. Either way, I wish I could be that oblivious because life would be much simpler.

>>151315232
characters try*
through others*

>>151315014
I was about to start watching it. What's wrong with it?

>>151313946
Ancient-as-fuck maymay, my man.

>>151310646
I only watched some episodes but never watched it, i like that running scene in the new ovas it got me nuts

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>>151310646
I wouldn't say "loved", but it was certainly enjoyable and interesting.
The cybergoth design sense, angular art style, dark colour design, and Anno's creative and expressive direction make every single frame striking and memorable. Pic related contains some of my faves just from ep 18.
The contrast of the Saturday morning, super robo, monster-of-the-week formula with the dreary, depressing tone makes the whole show have a really unique atmosphere that I've never seen anything else have.
From the realistic way the characters are portrayed to convey the struggles of communication, you can tell they were created and directed by an autistic guy who struggles to communicate with others. Which is something I, and I'm sure many other reclusive anime fans, can relate to.
The way the show only hints at but never fully explores the lore behind its mechs and monsters captivates the imagination, and has lead to the ridiculous amount of expanded universe stuff we have now.
Seeing the influence it had is interesting too. Watching it now, 20 years later, you can see tons of archetypes and conventions that would later become staple to anime overall. Hell, the basic set up of having a tsundere/kuudere duo of girls that's been popular in literally everything these past 2 decades was popularised by Eva.

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>>151310646
I just came here to find out what all the fuss was about. That was a decade ago.

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>>151314684
>doesn't care
>shares anyway
bleach was shit

>>151315545
It's shit. Really shit.
It's famous for the gore and how ridiculous and stupid it is as a whole.

You probably won't like it unless you're a teenage edgy boy or you're ready to enjoy it for it's "so bad it's good" value.

>>151316968
*its

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>>151315545
All the characters are either retarded, homicidal, or abusive.

>>151315545
nothing but start with the manga the anime is 6/10 but /a/ hates it because it's popular and the edgy teenagers think it's a great philosophical story. pretty entertainig 13 episodes

>>151312160
>So how exactly does any of that make you think people are just pretending to like it?
You said it yourself:
>cultural phenomenon
>popular
Some people like stuff because of the popularity and legacy it left behind.

>>151310646
I did.

I love it. All the characters are realistic and I like it's philosophy.

>>151318064
But it has to have had something appealing to it in the first place to become a cultural phenomenon.

>>151310646
the first time I saw it it was the rebuild and I was blown away by the animation. I was warned beforehand that not a lot of it would make sense, and it still doesn't, but I love science fiction and I had a great time watching it. It also helps that Asuka is best girl

>>151310646
I actually often ask myself the opposite question. Are there people who actually dislike Evangelion or are they just trying to be original and anti-conformist. I mean when I watched it seemed like the most amazing thing ever. I also recommended it to many people and literally all of them loved it. I just think people who claim they dislike it are being dishonest. But the problem is this is the internet so I can't really read how much honesty there is behind what people say. But always when someone explains why they didn't like it, it seems not genuine and forced.

>>151310845
because we're talking about /a/. which is mostly underage kids with still-developing brains that can't yet appreciate anything outside of mainstream story conventions. anything that tries to stir up thought, discussion or reflection is seen as "too deep" or boring. the other half of /a/ who are adult aged, have immature and autistic brains that don't like anything challenging their simple child-like views and tastes.

The irony like you said, if anything, Eva probably explains too much. scenes that have the potential of being pure kino, like when Shinji is having those self-reflective moments in that dream train could have been all shown through images. but we literally have Shinji narrating his feelings in the most contrite and boring way possible.

>>151318919
Eva has so many layers and so much to offer that anyone who enjoys anime should be able to find something to take away from it.

It's just that many people make identities for themselves based on being contrarian. It sucks for them, because I wouldn't imagine forcing myself to hate something just because it's popular. You'd miss out on a lot of good content by thinking that way.

average /a/ shitter response to Eva

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA3D1UtSSQo

>>151310646
I loved the experience of watching it. what i hate is the end

>>151319008
Eva wasn't supposed to be particularly intellectually challenging or aimed at mature viewers in search of new cinematographical adventures.
It was aimed at otaku, but crafted in such a way as to appeal to a broad audience. It had to be emotionnally stimulating and memorable, while at the same time staying understandable by about anyone. I think it did its job really well.

I don't like that meme but I'm forced to say that you're tipping you Fedora really hard.

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Nah, I love Eva. Genuinely love Eva and its psuedo mythological and philosophical themes.

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>OP starts out by asking if much of the professed love for Eva is more show than substance
>Thread ends up with everyone talking about how super deep and multilayered every single thing about Eva is and how only plebs don't love it

I'm sorry, but I'm even more confused than when this thread began, which one is it?

>>151320437
Shows don't become popular unless people genuinely like them. It's common sense.

Eva helped me with my depression so it's personal

>>151320146
Yea that was my point... i was saying its ironic that its actually not THAT challenging. but shitters still get upset that its too "deep".

>>151313794
Shikinami is a dyke, not Soryu.

>>151320940
same. I actually ended up getting off my ass and going on a trip because of it.. To japan of course. totally worth it. I actually ended up visiting some Eva-related spots in Japan. went to one of the Eva shops and saw some white dude browsing. we both looked at each other and kinda gave each other a "i know dat feel" nod.

despite what people might argue in regards to the story, meanings, etc. at the end of the day Eva is a very personal message from Anno to the viewers. its one of those shows where a certain type of person watching it is liable to go like "omg this show like.. GETS ME". its also one of those that if you watch it at a certain low point in your life can have a profound almost religious effect on you. as it did me.

it actually made me want to try to live life... pretty powerful stuff for an ostensibly "kids show". i haven't seen anything Western even come close to attempting that kind of honesty when making a show for younger viewers.

>>151310646
My problem with evangelion is that its themes have been told better by plenty of literary works and movies. And when you get past the themes and just look at the story as it is told, it's rather silly.

>>151321232
same

>>151310646
It probably doesn't hurt that it was what got me into anime, but I really do love it. The threads for it are usually pretty terrible now though, since it's already been discussed to death, so I'm not sure why anyone would even bother lying about liking it to try and fit in.

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Before the Rebuilds, you couldn't hold an Eva thread on /a/, any more than you could a Naruto one.

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Is the spinoffs mangas canon?

>>151321258
weebs don't watch regular movies or read

>>151310646
I honestly didn't enjoy eva. I had friends that did, and some still do, but i always thought it was trying too hard to be DEEP, but it's not at all.

>>151321016
Oh ok then. I think I somehow misunderstood your post.

>>151321232
Eva is The Catcher in the Rye for those who grew up on anime.

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>plotfags

>>151322454
very apt analogy. both are stories that people have been discussing to death for so long where half the audience thinks the main character is a piece of shit and the other half completely empathizes with.

>>151310646
Episode 25 is crap and the Asuka arc is the lowest point of the show that is somehow hailed as the holy grail by those insane LASfags but aside from that it was nice.

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>>151310646
I saw it for the first time in like 99. It gave me my waifu, spoke to me on a very personal level as a teen, and started me on my life long love of anime. So yeah I love it beyond measure.

>>151321258
>My problem with evangelion is that its themes have been told better by plenty of literary works and movies
Welcome to "a vast majority of media".

>And when you get past the themes
You're probably not doing this on purpose, but I'm fairly certain ignoring the most critical part of something for the sake of an argument is a fallacy.

>just look at the story as it is told, it's rather silly.
Also true, but I personally love my surrealism.

>>151310646
> How many of you

Survey thread. Go fuck you'r selv.

>>151321883
I wasn't around for that time. Crazy if that's true considering half the threads created nowadays are Eva related.

>>151323581
>56 posters

I love being chronically depressed for a week after watching it everytime

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I tell myself that rebuild is not canon.

>>151325788
That means Asuka never grows up.

>>151310646
I did. Until the last 2 episodes.
Everything else blew me away.

>>151325841
How is that?

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>>151325788
Rebuild is an entry level anime of the worst kind.

It was okay, but overrated. For whatever reason though NGE ended up being 'accepted' entry level to talk about on /a/, thus we have an infestation of shit tasters. A stark contrast to "wooow cowboy bebop is my fav anime xD" posters being told to go back to /v/.

>>151325841
If anything it means she does because in the TV series the pilots still age, while in Rebuilds they don't. Assuming her and Shinji decide to live in post-3I world she would grow up and become an actual adult.

>>151326094
What would Shinji and Asuka (Soryu) do in a post EOE world anyway? Go their separates ways

>>151326880
meant to put a question mark there

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>>151325968
And they made my waifu a dyke.

>>151326880
If he tried walking out on her, she would either choke him or tie him up with those bandages. Probably both at the same time. Would make for a good doujin. That is, if it doesn't exist elready.

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>>151310646
I used to but then rebuild was made and every time shity hits the fan I get nauseous and feel like I'm going into a light shock. I get a flop sweat and a burn in the pit of my stomach. I'm not even joking I think I have developed ptsd from watching evangelion. Anyone else have difficulty?

>>151326094
>everyone dies
>Asuka gets to grow old with Shinji
or
>almost everyone dies
>Asuka grows up with the survivors from NERV

apparently there are no good choices.

I didnt like it but thats perfectly ok.

>>151321890
NGE is canon to End, NGE and parts of End are canon to Anima, they aren't canon to NGE, and nothing else is in any continuity with something else. Not even in a St. Elsewhere kind of way that makes any sense.

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>>151310900
>>151327135
GIVE ME THAT SOFT PINK

>>151327833
Someone should make a Fat Bastard Watches Rebuilds, in the style of Plinkett reviews.
We could turn this into a group project, we just have to find someone fat and nasally enough. Considering where we are, this shouldn't be a problem at all.
We could even do a meta segment where he kidnaps the characters, straps them to folding chairs, and forces them to watch the series+eoe+rebuild with their eyes taped open. He can get wasted by Anno in the last scene, which would be a shot for shot remake of gendowned.

I've kept rewatching the thing over the years and it only gains more depth as I recognize more levels of its intertextual symbolism. The original visuals are intense enough not to need a "technical update" throughout the years. Remember, kids, animu is not a medium or a technology, it's an art. If you rely on technical gadgets rather than aesthetic sense, you're still going nowhere.

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>>151328050
degenerate

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>>151328632
Too pure for you.

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>>151328666
rebuild fan fiction doesn't count.

>>151310646
I only like original NGE and hates everything else.

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>>151328794
>rebuild fan fiction
Don't be silly anon, Rebuild is a canon continuity.

>>151310646
>How many of you actually loved the experience of watching Evangelion and aren't just lying to fit in on /a/?
/a/ is just tsundere for eva
heavy on the tsun, light on the dere

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Yeah, I loved it. It was the first anime I've ever watched and to this day, after 100+ titles I haven't found anything better. It's literally the best anime of all time. Maybe the best animated series of all time tbqh. I'm just amazed at how masterfully the direction was handled, it literally speaks with audience (to those who listen) through visuals, like true visual medium should do. EoE is pure kino too.
>inb4 >>>/tv/

>>151321883
Worse than that. Go back further and you could, but they were wet anticipation for Re-Take scans.

>>151328938
>soft pink
>useless fanservice slut (Mari)
>literally no chemistry whatsoever
>rebuild
It's the worst pairing there is.

>>151328938
Soryu doesn't exist in this version. Soryu isn't a dyke.

>>151310646
First time I watched it was out of obligation for the board. I thought it was okay, but nothing great.

Second time, after watching a lot more anime, was completely different. The directing, characters, plot, etc popped out far more. Pretty much a breath of fresh air compared to the crap I usually watch.

>>151327952
What about Shinji Ikari Raising Project manga and Angelic Days manga? Where do they fit in this? They are "canon" or something.

The story of EVA confuses me.

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>>151329193
I'm having trouble seeing which parts are funny on purpose.

>>151310646
Evangelion was painful to watch. Mate of mine made me watch it and I don't understand the elitism surrounding this anime.

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>>151328938
Why is Asuka so differnet in this? What happened to this side of Asuka?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK2MO_b1dXY

>>151310646
I liked the art. I got the plot and all but it just isn't my cup of tea because of the hopelessness of it all.

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>>151329635
The real Asuka doesn't exist in the Rebuilds.

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>>151329994
Well that's depressing...

I was a fan of Evangelion long before /a/ existed.

>>151327645
Read Epilogue of Evangelion. 700 page non-H doujin about Asuka and Shinji wandering post-3I world.

>>151310646
Watched it at an impressionable age, but it was one of the greatest experiences I've had in media/entertainment. Nothing really tops EoE for me, and it got me into really watching animu, was a manga reader before then.

Could be nostalgia, but in 300+ shows, very few are comparable in enjoyment.

>>151330421
Finished it ten days ago. Heartwarming.

>>151329458
Only things that are canon are NGE and EoE. Episodes 25/26 and EoE are alternate endings, neither is confirmed to be more "canon" than the other.

Rebuilds may possibly be canon but we won't know until 3.0 + 1.0. Everything else (manga, games, spinoffs, etc) is non-canon except for the classified information files in Neon Genesis Evangelion 2 which were largely based on interviews with Anno and fill in gaps in the lore. Whether or not they're truly canon is debatable.

>>151330421
>>151327645
>>151330421
So Asuka and Shinji would end up together off screen? Really?

>>151330616
So those manga spinoffs and other content that isn't anime are just fan fiction? is that fair to say?

>>151330421
Where can I find a find a link to that, sempai?

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>>151329458
Only by insisting they're Instrumentality dreams ala Toastworld, but that isn't supported in the spinoffs and wouldn't add a thing. Those manga are both loosely based on games that were already themselves far removed from the original material for sake of lighthearted shenanigans.

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>>151329273
>>151329312
>>151329635
Hush now, no hatred, only love.

I didn't like it, but that's because I don't like most Mecha anime. I don't know what it is that makes them so boring for me.

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>>151330838
>So Asuka and Shinji would end up together off screen? Really?
It's left ambiguous to the viewer as to what they do in the post-apocalyptic world. More people could reject instrumentality, it could be just them for years, or maybe one of them kills the other. Your imagination is the limit.

>So those manga spinoffs and other content that isn't anime are just fan fiction? is that fair to say?
They are spinoffs. So official works, but not canon to the main continuity. It's like any media franchise. The manga starts as an adaptation of the anime but has a handful of changes to the story, so it's considered a separate continuity. Same with the Rebuilds unless Evageeks timeloop theory is confirmed in 3.0 + 1.0 and it ends up being a sequel/prequel/both to the original series.

>>151330616
I like to think that 25/26 occurs within Shinji while EoE is depicting his outward reaction, and therefore they are both the same ending, just depicting two different things.

>>151310646
I'm pretentious about film so I like slow burns with great cinematography. I'm also depressed all the time and like Shinji my father never loved me. I can relate to the series because I'm scared to connect to other human beings on a meaningful level and I like watching it because giant robots and good animation when it's there.

I'll still never understand why people go out of their way to extract meaning from Eva that isn't there. It's explicitly about connection. It's the most recurring subject of conversation and the most present theme, and yet people are still speding out over it 20 years later.

Eva isn't something you simply appreciate by just watching. You have to actively engage and think about what it presents. The more you think about it the more you appreciate it. The robot fights are certainly entertaining but it isn't the type of anime were you can get enjoyment by just flipping it on and watching passively. Also its much better on rewatches, first time through is probably the least rewarding. EoE however, is perfect. You can appreciate that shit on all levels and should feel bad if you don't like it.

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I watched Eva when I was very depressed. The tv series' ending cheered me up though, even if it's just a huge joke to everyone nowadays.

>>151337081
You can by all means sit back and just enjoy Eva because it is extremely well directed with visceral, hard-hitting images.

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asuka luuuuuvs shinji

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>>151337556
she confessed it here, but shinji a gay. If only if I were in that position.

>>151338986
>jacks off onto her unconscious body
he's bi

I loved every bit of Evangelion as a kid because I was simply new to anime. Loved everything about Evangelion, not only just the animation or artstyle.

It's just nostalgic factor now.

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>>151338986
Shinji's not gay or straight or whatever, he's so scared of opening his heart that he's only capable of loving emotional manipulators like Kaworu. Asuka and Rei, like Shinji, are so closed off that he never even sees them as potential romantic partners.
He's just plum sexually confused, which sorta makes sense considering he's like 14 and is so scared of interaction he can't perceive love.

Any of the harem are viable romantic partners, they just have to do what Kaworu did.

I think it's way past the time we need to ban all Eva threads for some time. They're just newfag magnets. Take a stroll through this thread and see for yourself.

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>>151310646
I love Evangelion so much that I've never watched Rebuild

>>151321016
>but shitters still get upset that its too "deep".

People who complaining about other people complaining about it being too fuckdeep are too stupid to notice how fundamentally ambiguous so much of the series is or why people would see the need to seek out such answers.

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>>151339735
But Shinji was emotionally manipulating Kaworu, not the other way around.

Watched NGE for the first time not long ago. I enjoyed it, it was a little slow to start but episodes 15-24 were great. Also End of Evangelion is fantastic.

>>151310646
Dude, watched this when I was 12-13 years old, didn't get half of the later half of the show, but this was so unconventional to me that it left me craving for more shit like this, and trying to undestand what the fuck did I just watched, I entered the never ending ride for this show and it has a very special corner in my heart.

>>151313034
>It's not that deep
> it uses a lot of SOL anime tropes, not even in a deconstructive kind of way

Character development wise, I'd agree with you completely. The show is very complex in other ways and is highly ambiguous on a fundamental level, but its use of character archetypes and is really nothing out of the ordinary. Even watching Asuka's breakdown in 23 just feels so plain to me, I barely saw anything compelling about her character.

>>151339735
And at the current moment, he's only kissed one.

But what an idiot, he shares a room with an incredibly hot 10/10 red head and he acts like an autist. Just imagine anyone of us here in that situation.

>>151340050
Shinji doesn't know how to emotionally manipulate anyone.

>>151340368
He didn't do it intentionally, but he still did it by acting all needy and helpless which is Kaworu's fetish

>>151313345
I'm rewatching it now. 8 and 10 can be a bit brutal but it's very good overall. 4, 6, 9 and 11 have been highlights so far. It has a lot of charm. I also really appreciated the non-linear telling of Shinji's battle against the first angel in episode 2.

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>>151311056
>>151319008
I didn't get the ending. After finishing the show I felt like there were still some questions that I didn't know the answer to like:
What are the Dead Sea Scrolls?
What is the Spear of longinus?
Where did the angels come from?
Where did Adam and Lilith come from?
Why is Adam an embryo?

>>151340508
http://wiki.evageeks.org/

>>151340237
>Just imagine anyone of us here in that situation.
Constantly question her competency and do as much emotional damage to the already damaged goods as possible, in hopes that it fills the void.

>>151339983
Your loss

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>>151340508
>What are the Dead Sea Scrolls?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Obviously fictional liberties were taken to include something about Instrumentality.
>What is the Spear of longinus?
They definitely mention where it comes from, but it's a mysterious weapon that can magically pierce AT Fields without effort. This sort of superweapon shows up from time to time in super robot anime. Likely a reference to Tauros D7's horn, which was the only thing that could pierce Mazinger Z's Super Alloy Z hull.
>Where did the angels come from?
Either Earth or the moon, I can't remember which. Luna and Terra both have "seeds" inside of them that bring forth life that aren't meant to coexist. One seed begets Kaiju, the other begets humanoids.
>Where did Adam and Lilith come from?
Fucking space, duh.
>Why is Adam an embryo?
Probably because it regressed in form after getting nuked. Daily reminder that Adam getting nuked started World War 3 and that's why Shinji lives in a reconstructed Tokyo-3 on top of the ruins of historic Edo.

>>151310646
I watched Evangelion twice, once when I was 18, the second time when I was 27.

It was much better the second time around.

>>151340691
What about the mental cure through giving her the D? She's desperate for affection in any way and Shinji and Kaji doesn't give it to her.

>>151341023
>Probably because it

This is the answer Eva fans will give you for pretty much everything. At best you can make up possible explanations, but virtually everything about the series is up for question.

>>151341145
The D doesn't cure anything. If Shinji, or Kaiji, or anyone gave her the dick, it wouldn't heal her emotional bruises. What she needs a is a real relationship where someone can tell her no but also tell her she's special. With someone like Asuka, you have to put all the effort into opening her heart yourself, and she probably wouldn't want it open anyway. It works in movies, but in real life it's best not to fuck with that kinda shit since she needs to work through her problems herself.

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>>151341154
So am I a moron for not understanding why Shinji and Asuka are the only ones who survive and why he chokes her, or is there no one true answer?

>>151341271
She at least needs a hug, Asuka has never received any comfort from anyone.

>>151341393
Yeah. I'm a diehard Reifag, but I feel like Asuka deserves some form of consolation.

>>151341275
>So am I a moron for not understanding why Shinji and Asuka are the only ones who survive and why he chokes her,
Shinji is the decider of humanity's fate, because Rei had become attached to him and figured that someone as emotionally distressed as him was probably a good way of deciding between "heaven" and real life (which in case you hadn't noticed, was a big metaphor about barriers and wish-fulfillment and how real life is a pretty cruel place anyway). GNR tells Shinji that anyone who wants to leave the Tang can, and let him escape.
The audience is never explicitly told why Asuka makes the same decision. We're also never told if anyone else awakens or even had the same conversation with Rei (although if you count the TV ending, everyone else DID have the introspection, but only people close to Rei anyway). There's a lot left to assumption and interpretation.
>or is there no one true answer?
My guess is whatever message Anno tried to convey, he did it subconsciously considering he's never given a definitive answer on what he was trying to do. My interpretation was that it was a follow-up to the Komm Susser Tod sequence, where Shinji chokes Asuka for calling him out on his bullshit. In the dream, Shinji isn't actually choking Asuka because she's not Asuka-- she's either an avatar of GNR or his own thoughts. Once he realizes he's in the true reality he needs a litmus test of whether he's awake or it's a trick, so he chokes her because of feelings and shit.

>>151341275
>or is there no one true answer?
Anyone who claims there is or that it's somehow obvious is straight up lying to you. The series is a clusterfuck of weird inexplicable shit that sort of hints at possible explanations but never gives you enough to be sure of anything.

The first half is generic average mecha
The second half is a clusterfuck and suddenly every character is sexually frustrated

It sucked

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>>151341582
So its one of those "show, don't tell" where you need to decide for yourself the symbolism.

Are they the last humans or do more come back? If they are the last humans what do Asuka and Shinji do?

What about the talk of Seele and Director Ikari trying to create a god? Are Asuka and Shinji gods?

I guess anything is possible.

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>>151311207
I wanna do some really bad things to young Misato.

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>>151341275
Not really, it took me a few rewatches to get it. The reason Shinji and Asuka still exist as individuals outside of the LCL is that if one desires to become individual again, by sheer force of will you can materialize your physical form and consciousness back. LCL, the orange goo, is the primordial stuff of life, and contains the collective consciousness of all humans reverted to that form. Asuka and Shinji are the only ones who came back, for whatever reason, the rest of humanity decided that oneness and connectedness was better. A huge thematic point in the Eva series was how individualism creates rifts and broken relationships between humans, a rift that doesn't allow us to understand one another. By breaking down the individual into LCL and mixing all humans together, the instrumentality project sought to create a utopia of full human understanding.

As for choking Asuka, by that point, Shinji had enough. He was broken and traumatized, and after experiencing nothing but "tsun" from Asuka, having none of his feelings reciprocated by anything but disdain, he just broke. But he realized that he still loved her despite this, and she was the only human being who existed any more. Even if it meant going back to that broken and unfulfilling relationship, it was still better than being alone, so he stopped choking her.

Pic related was mfw I finished EoE for the first time, don't worry man, we were all there at one point.

>>151341771
Are they even the last humans?

>>151310646
I really enjoyed it. The first 2 rebuilds were decent, didn't enjoy the third.

>>151341847
At the time of viewing, where the movie ends, I'm pretty sure that they were the only ones. If more came back after credits rolled, we can't tell.

I watched it when I was fuckin' 7.
There was no human on earth more confused than I once EoE rolled around.

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>>151341271
>where someone can tell her no but also tell her she's special
>you have to put all the effort into opening her heart yourself
So basically she needs Kaworu

>>151341737
>So its one of those "show, don't tell" where you need to decide for yourself the symbolism.
Yeah pretty much, but the brilliance comes from the games of trying to figure out what Anno was trying to say, what the movie was trying to say, and how the movie applies to yourself.
>Are they the last humans or do more come back? If they are the last humans what do Asuka and Shinji do?
All we're told is that they can if they want. I want to believe that humanity slowly returned to the Earth and began to truly love one another. Others would tell you that everything started from the beginning, with the Rebuilds being a sequel series (and there's certainly evidence to suggest that, but they're also complete shit so I just pretend they don't exist). The Shinji Ikari Raising Project, Girlfriend of Steel, and all the other games are technically canon, so that just adds more to the plate of interpretation.
>What about the talk of Seele and Director Ikari trying to create a god? Are Asuka and Shinji gods?
No, the idea was for one of the Eva units to become a god, but there was so much backstabbing and keikaku between Ikari and SEELE that wasn't even in the plot it's hard to tell who thought what. I guess Ikari wanted Rei to become a god, since he made Rei a god by feeling her up with the fetus in front of Adam for the purposes of gattai anyway.

>>151342000
No, because Kaworu slipped carelessly into Shinji's heart knowing full well their relationship would only hurt him.

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>>151341023
It's Hakone, it was always Hakone. There's an episode set in the radioactive exclusion zone of Old Tokyo. The relocation of the capital to Nagano and renaming to Tokyo-2 were described, they included newspaper headlines showing Japan thought they were building Tokyo-3 as a bombproof fortress to put all there government in.

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>>151341582
>The audience is never explicitly told why Asuka makes the same decision.

Asuka luuuvs shinji

>>151342043
Kaworu didn't know Shinji cared about him, so he didn't think killing him would affect him that much.

>>151310646
at face value, first watch with no real prior experience in anime, it's not bad.

rahxephon shits all over it, in pretty much every aspect.

>>151312331
It popularized the "sekaikei" genre which was at one time pretty popular among otaku especially in VNs. It seems to have diminished in popularity somewhat though.

>>151341727
The first 6 episodes are 'typical' mecha but the complete opposite of average. As far as generic mecha goes it might be the best 6 episodes ever.

>>151315545
It's a show that gets a lot of undeserved praise so of course /a/ is going to treat it like the worst thing ever. In reality, if you go in with the right mindset, you can enjoy it. Just don't mistake the show for some deep masterpiece that its opening desperately tries to present itself as.

>>151342827
wow, you were almost self aware for a second.

>>151310646
I thought it was shit when I first watched it on a bootleg VHS way back in the day
I couldn't believe it when I found out it was as popular as it is

>>151316137
Anno sure knows when to use frame symmetry and when not to.

>>151342674
From the get go the show does weird shit like have Rei appear before Shinji. It was never normal.

It seems like a lot of people still don't know that Anno was heavily influenced by Tomino. I bet very few posters watched Gundam before getting into Pre-00s Gainax.

About halfway through Zeta I realized I needed to rewatch Gunbuster and Eva and it was so worth it.

>>151342969
I feel like that's not particularly "weird". I'm more interested in the departures in form and storytelling, like episode 2 framing the battle around Shinji's state after it and withholding it until the very end, or episode 4 being what it is.

Also the ratio of great shots per minute is super high compared to the 'average' show, let alone mecha

I am obsessed with Evangelion.

>>151343188
>I'm more interested in the departures in form and storytelling, like episode 2 framing the battle around Shinji's state after it and withholding it until the very end, or episode 4 being what it is.

That's also along the lines of what I'm talking about.

>>151310646
Bokurano did it better. Not even joking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloSasG4xLo

>we will never get a short 6 episode ova series based on the fantasy sequence from episode 26
>we will never see that the last episode reveals that it was all just a fantasy as we cut back to depressed Shinji to destroy all of the audiences happiness
Anno did say he wanted Eva to be like Gundam with AUs. Get on it already.

>>151342074
>disgusting

>>151343423
We seriously posting AMVs now? Come on anon.
This one is better anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJCKqCxXu4

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>>151343477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UppYD1adBXY

p'shaw

>>151343482
When Asuka told Shinji to masturbate to her it awoke in me a sexual fetish I never knew I had.

>>151343556
That's just called heterosexuality.

>>151343556
>>151343575
Why is she so slutty with shinji?

>>151343535
A classic here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdUPwR6mzXo

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>>151343188
He doesn't know what happened, we don't know what happened. He seems okay. We see the cleanup, people are fleeing the city in horror, Rei's noticing him, people are worrying about him, Misato's doing everything she can think of to make him comfortable. Then he remembers and it makes sense. That was great.

>>151343477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFV2kAJzxWk

>>151343606
Why can't you capitalize names?

>>151344284
Well, that's actually the first time I didn't in this thread. Why are you a grammar National Socialist?

>>151344402
I don't exactly like the idea of gaiafags running around this place, thank you much.

>>151344627
Never been there, we should really be more concerrned about redditors and normalfags.

>>151344627
>>151344688
redditors have been taking over /pol/ and /v/

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>mfw I love things 4chan hates like Force Awakens and Charizard but 4chan loves my favorite series and character

>>151342995
I was genuinely shocked how depressed everyone in Zeta was, and how the characters never try to resolve their real feelings. It's almost like Tomino drew the line any time the script became too personal, which was two or three times per episode. The characters are always one step from suicide, and yet everyone's acting like it's just a normal day in the AEUG.

>>151345712
That is such a cute picture.

>>151341737
>So its one of those "show, don't tell" where you need to decide for yourself the symbolism.
This is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to think. Creators have very specific things in mind when they create art. Just watch it again and keep attention if you had problems understanding it and want to. Eva is one of those types of works that's meant to be watched two times.

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I watched it before I started browsing /a/ and thought it was alright, but I watched during a time that human interaction was really confusing to me so I should rewatch it now that I'm not a complete autist.

>>151329193
>Yeah, I loved it. It was the first anime I've ever watched and to this day, after 100+ titles
I've seen over 800 and it's still the best I've seen. Seeing and reading all the works that inspired it like Ideon, Devilman and Ultraman made it even better.

>>151347018
>Creators have very specific things in mind when they create art.
They do, but also sometimes they don't. It's pretty common to explore questions but never give answers. The question they're asking and the symbolism itself, of course, is only one thing, but the answer to it IS entirely decided by the viewer - that's the whole point. In Eva specifically you can say that the message of EoTV and EoE can seem entirely opposite in a lot of respects, and that is part of the point as well. They give you two different ways of viewing the question, but never tell you what the answer is.

EVA is the greatest anime of all time, but the most disturbing thing about it to me is that it somehow became a franchise. It's focus on human relationships and it's use of characters as mediums for their messages makes it a completely separate and self-contained work, I just don't get it why did it become a franchise. I mean, I absolutely love all the characters and unironically wish them happiness (even though they don't exist, they are represent humans with their flaws and all, by wishing them happiness I wish happiness to similar people). It looks like audience didn't get it at all or just didn't want to get it and decided to just continue masturbating to waifus (for me they are more like daughterfus)

>>151347223
>I just don't get it why did it become a franchise
$ $ $

>>151347149
They literally do, in both EoE and EoTV the message is delivered through verbal exposition. Most of the "lore" is as well.

>>151341023
>it's a mysterious weapon that can magically pierce AT Fields without effort.
When the ancient alien race created the seeds of life, they created a lance for each seed incase of the event two seeds ended up on the same planet, like earth.

Lilith speared Adam and stopped it from growing which allowed life from lilith to prosper. The contact experiment with Adam involved removing the lance which triggered Adam to grow once more. To stop Adam they engineered an impact.

>>151347531
>Be Asuka
>Literally only stoppable by alien god weapons

Haha get fucked Reifags, Asuka is best pilot.

>>151347800
But Anon, the spears that Asuka was killed with were mere replicas, not the real ones. There were supposedly only 2 alien god weapons, the Lilith's one that broke during the first impact and the Adam's one that got lost in space.

>>151314564
it's better to fuck a real girl than a clone

I don't get why human instrumentality was done.
I mean, all the angels were killed right? what was the point of giving back the world to them if they're all fucking dead?

>>151348122
The human instrumentality was done by humans solely for the sake of humans, not to give the planet to angels. In fact, the angels were killed because they could have been a threat to the transformed humanity, so before the instrumentality could have been started they all had to die.

I just got it. Asuka wasn't real. It was secretly Rei. When instrumentality occurs someone you love has to sneakily trick you into letting you into your AT field, so they can dissolve your body and kill you. Rei can only manifest as people who are already dead, such as Yui, Ritsuko, or Misato, all of whom were dead, but appeared to various characters. Otherwise it was just Rei herself yanking your soul from you. So, it just clicked for me that Asuka was dead too when this was going down. That means the fight scene in the kitchen was Rei manifesting as Asuka, and for some reason you couldn't break down Shinji's walls with love, so Rei had to get in through hate. Clever girl.

>>151348122
The point was (collective) suicide as a release from human faults and the anxieties of modern life. You could argue it's not really death, but without free will or input from others it might just as well be death. It's kind of disgusting really, at least to me. It can also be interpreted in other ways, such as that people who desire indulgence and a life free from pain really just want to return to the womb or a womb-like environment. Ironically, Shinji's suicidal, masochistic personality is exactly what enables him to see through the illusion and find value in himself and others.

>>151347800
I wonder who could be behind this post, guys.

>>151348298
>In fact, the angels were killed because they could have been a threat to the transformed humanity, so before the instrumentality could have been started they all had to die.
Also to allow for the completion of the MPEs, the explosion at the other NERV base was a setback.

>>151348022
Yeah they went to space and got it or something. And I'm pree sure that Shinji had both of them at the end.

There are so many things to love about Evangelion even if you can't relate to the core themes. The mecha designs. The beautiful soundtrack which adds to the foreboding and tense atmosphere. The sound the Eva makes when it lumbers around the city. The fluid animation.

If you can't enjoy even one of these, I don't know what you're doing on this website.

>>151310646

i don't like watching the original because it reminds me that anno is a shell of himself

>>151348359
There was a femanon here recently who insisted that it was not a real person in that scene, but an amalgam of Misato, Rei and Asuka that Shinji created out of the sea of life during his brief stay in it.
It makes far more sense than it should make, in a creepy way. It means the real deal, who really wanted him, is gone, an that he's just like his father.

>>151348359
No, the pre-Instrumentality sequence is Shinji, Misato, Asuka and Rei talking to each other. Proof is that Shinji sees Misato's memories. Shinji is trying to find a reason to not start Instrumentality, but is rejected by Asuka, who tells him the truth that he only cares about himself. She knows it because she is the same, Asuka and Shinji are two sides of one coin. The whole pre-Instrumentality sequence is pretty d33p and is full of symbolism. If you want to understand it, lurk more and analyze every frame. Eva is literally academically analyzed

I was depressed when I watched evangelion, it really opened my eyes and I ended up going and getting some help for myself

>>151348571
No, it's the Asuka that exists in his mind.

This show is shit. Everything is about sex. The characters are offensively archetypical and are shit at communication. It's made for basement-dwelling manbabies who has lost their way in the real world and would rather mope around watching this (((depressing)) piece of garbage rather than doing something actually productive for once because they can't stop whining about the real life and its realities. Get out of your mom's basement already, faggots.

>>151348639
Well, that's nice for you.

>>151348541
It can't possibly be an amalgam, because we learn that souls can't merge since the moment Shinji rejects Instrumentality. One of Evangelion's main character arks is Shinji and Asuka's inability to approach each other. She tries to make him act like a man (like that time during volcano) and he's afraid to respond to her flirting. They are both hedgehogs who distance themselves from others differently. Shinji can't understand that she's trying to make him crash her walls and care about her (which he says in pre-3I sequence). Her caressing his cheek on the beach is a final act of acceptance. She accepts the real World, the pain it brings (which she was afraid of), she accepts herself and therefore accepts Shinji. Of course she's also disgusted with his earlier actions (she saw him masturbating to her and was both disgusted by act itself and by the fact that he didn't even try to do anything to her earlier even though he was attracted to her)
That's complex

>>151348654
Anon, everything is about sex. Welcome to life.

>>151341771
So basically Shinji is a fag who rejects his crush's advances then gets mad at her for being pissy about it. What a fucking faggot.

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>>151348654
But that what the show and EoE tells you, stop whining and go live. The fact that some people don't get it is their problem.

>>151310646
I am in love with evangelion. I get it so well, I really love the characters (Shinji and Rei being my favorites). I also love the ending of the show, it's one of my favorite endings ever. On the other hand, I don't care for end of Evangelion. I have only watched EOE three times. I have rewatched NGE six times, in two different languages (I have never heard it in japanese). I hate the rebuild movies with a passion, and while I understand Asuka as a character, I still find her to be the most annoying and frustrating character to watch. Overall, I consider NGE to be superior to any other anime.

>>151310646
Me, to me NGE/EoE will always be an 11/10 and I rewatch it once a year during December.

Also reminder to jump from your highest local building if you like the rebuilds.

>>151348419
ah, i see. but why did asuka return, and how come she forgave shinji while he strangled her on the beach?

>>151325788
they obviously aren't.
Anno renamed Asuka for a reason, the rebuilds and the original series are entirely unrelated.
Soryu = 10/10
Shikinami = Shit

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>>151348780
Childhood traumas and fears are often manifest themselves as fetishes in adults. Fear and sexual arousal are tied very closely together, resulting in such fetishes as bondage.
In Asuka's case, her trauma revolved around her mother strangling her, and this left a deep impression in her psyche, which guided her every move and action.
The brash, brazen, and boastful Asuka was all a subconscious manifestion of her hidden desire. It was her way of getting what she truly wanted.
Getting desperate, she tried to telegraph this more deliberately to Shinji, when she forcibly kissed him and held his nose shut, but became more aggravated than ever when he didn't get her message.
Shinji only finally realized what Asuka had been seeking the whole time once he entered her mind and saw a fight they once had, but it ended differently in Asuka's head. He, for the first time, saw what Asuka had been after the whole time.
When he is born again on the shores of the red sea, Asuka is beside him, and he rolls over and wraps his hands tightly around her neck, and she caresses him gently, for finally providing what she had longed for all this time.

>>151348692
It's very crudely portrayed though, which makes it feel cheap.

>>151348719
People tend to get stuck on praising the show and its characters for being (((deep))) and (((relatable))) but they tend to forget this supposedly ultimate message. There's a reason why civilization has been getting worse ever since 2000. Everyone acts like Shinji and to some extent, Asuka. Whine, whine, whine. Indulge themselves in disgusting perversions and fail to accomplish anything meaningful in life as they put the blame on everyone else. If that's the show's message then I don't think it got to people properly.

>>151348719
is ryuko and kill la kill stuff becoming a thing again?
there's a surge of threads lately
i'm not complaining, i've only recently watched the series

>>151332216
kill yourself please

>>151348821
>literally no depictions of sex at all in the show

>>151348819
really cleared this up for me. thanks

It's just one of those things you can't surpass.

Anime will never surpass Evangelion.

>>151348859
>Misato seducing and kissing a much younger boy
>Asuka acting all slutty whenever she's alone with Shinji
>Kaji is literally a player who craves pussy 24/7 and also seduces a much younger boy
>Kaworu basically wants Shinji to be his personal cum dumpster
>Shinji is always horny as fuck
>etc.

This show is cheap and distasteful, not deep or insightful. Everyone acts like mindless, depraved sex zombies and it only serves to depress the viewers even more. Since it has so many fans and influence in the media, no wonder why our generation is becoming more and more degenerate.

>>151348996
Just kisses anon

>>151348819
This is so wrong I can't believe you mean this seriously.
the hells kitchen scene in EoE symbolises both the men in her life laying before her, hence Shinji laying next to the coffee cup she dropped when she heard Kaji died.
She finally realized that she can be completely independent, hence why she tells Shinji to fuck off.
Shinji choked her after waking up because he thought he was still in instrumentality.
Asuka caressed him because she finally understood what he went through and because she finally found peace with herself.
Her final line is in regards to him masturbating to her and she basically calls him disgusting.
>>151348901
Don't listen to this retard.

>>151348780
She saw everything he did, from a slightly different perspective. She accepted herself and saw him for who he really was.

>>151348819
My detective instinct is telling me this anon is trying to give you a choke fetish. I sincerely hope this isn't the case and I am just imagining things here.

>>151348859
There is a whole sex scene with Kaiji and Misato you retard.

>>151348901
this anon here >>151348819
is trying to meme on you. literally everything he wrote is bullshit

>>151349022
All of the above things are indicative of sexuality. Not everything in life is about sexuality. How about being a responsible, productive member of society for once? Life is hard and we are all creatures of natural selection. If you're weak, you get killed by the others. Don't expect kindness or understanding from others. Society doesn't need you if you can't somehow contribute something to it. Just simply existing is not a contribution. Stop acting like a bumbling faggot and get some work done.

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>>151310646

>>151349185
desu it's okay to prefer one ending over the other, but they're meant to coexist anyway and both provide different meaningful content.

>>151349122
>>151349090
>>151349081

>All these anons jealous of the fact they will never lie on the soft beach sand in the twilight, gazing up at the stars peacefully, with a stillness on the air and have your best friend sidle on top of you, pinning you down, a warm weight seamlessly straddling your abdomen, and then feel your mind race as he gently curls his hands around your neck, as you brain and survival instinct screams at you to resist, but your heart pounds with ecstasy and anticipation as the gentle squeeze slowly constricts your windpipe and you abandon yourself to his mercy.

>>151349249
permanently remove yourself from this plane of existence please

consider this a free (you)

>>151349123
Anon, just kisses.

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>>151349123
t. Putogan

>>151349249
I'm just going to stare at your post for 80 seconds. It's that much disgusting.

>>151349081
She doesn't realize that she can be independent, it's her life struggle to accept that she in fact needs people, not otherwise as she wanted it to be. She was afraid of rejection and pain and she explicitly tells Shinji that he, in fact, only hurts her because he only thinks about himself. The kitchen is two of them completely naked in terms of character. They are two scared children who need to cling to something but are afraid of it.

Where the fuck is 4.0?

>>151349434
This is wrong, Asukas final revelation is that it's okay to be independent, that it's okay that she wants to be alone, and that this is also her path to accepting herself.
This is the whole reason why she came back in the first place.

>>151349488
And asuka luuvs shinji

>>151349527
No she doesn't. They'll probably part ways after EoE and never meet again.

>>151349541
But it's Shinji's cycle of his own self understanding.

EoE leads right into Rebuild, there is no aftermath.

>>151349569
The rebuilds are not canon.
Anno even renamed Asuka to make this 100% clear.

>>151349541
I get what you are saying, but that doesn't make sense because asuka luuuuuuuuuuuvs Shinji

>>151349464
Doesn't exist. It's 3.0 + 1.0 now.

>>151349118
It's not sex. It's two grown ups licking each others wounds.

I liked Evangelion, but I watched it when I was 13 or so and so I'm not sure whether I'd like it now that I'm an adult. I don't remember that much of it aside from the main plot points and general feel of the series, desu.

>>151349597
No she loves me and I'm going to marry Asuka Langley Soryu!
You are not invited to the wedding btw.

>>151349488
That doesn't make sense in terms of character development, main plotline and EoE final.
Asuka's struggle was to accept others, her defence mechanisms kept others from approaching her and getting too close so she won't "need to cry" once they abandoned her. Her negative side is this "don't get too close, just watch how great I am" attitude, while the side she wants to hide is a person who wants to have friends and people to care about her. If you're talking about independence from others' opinion, which she supposedly manages to find, it's okay, but if you're implying that she accepts the side of her which is a "barrier" that keeps others from her heart, that's pretty much wrong. This means she doesn't grow up at all and still can't accept the pain that is brought with close relationship, something that Shinji accepts. That means her character doesn't grow up from hedgehog's dilemma but accepts it, like some little coward. The whole point of EoE is to show that people should accept each other, even if it brings pain

>>151349661
Watch is because it's the best the medium has to offer.

>>151349778
She defined herself and her self worth over piloting the EVA and the praise she got for it and wanted others to only see this Asuka.
Herself falling behind Shinji made her world crumble.

Her version of the hedgehog dilemma is the "first you need to love yourself before you can love others" part.

The people around her are a necessity, nothing more.
In EoE she realized that she doesn't need them, that she can be independent from them, and that she can now open up to people because of it.

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>>151310646
I enjoyed a lot of the Monster-of-the-Week episodes when I was watching it at the time.

I didn't really appreciate most of the psychological stuff until I thought about it more in retrospect.

>>151310646
The fights were really good, only flaw is the fans going on about it being the greatest things since Jojo

>>151350027
That's pretty much what I said, she now accepts real relationships with people

>>151350388
You mean that Dragonball z rip off? Think you are in the wrong thread.

>>151350513
No the Fotns ripoff dumbass

Jojo had better Christian references btw

>>151350692
Than what? What show are you talking about now? NGE is based on Judaism not Christianity.

>>151350731
I meant to say Biblical references

>>151350753
So... Still Judaism. It's called the Torah.

>>151350803
Where the fuck are we going with this

>>151310646
I liked that before I even knew /a/.

I love(d) classic Eva. I was in jr high when it was released in English, and there wasn't a whole lot else with that sort of feel or theme.
I remember getting shaky cam rips of the eva movies and honestly they sorta ruined it for me.

Fast forward almost 20 years and I don't understand the appeals of the remake. I dislike the series being rewritten quite a bit. Great on the director for milking 20 year old material, but it's really fucking lazy...

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>>151348359
>When instrumentality occurs someone you love has to sneakily trick you into letting you into your AT field
Kaworu was the one who showed up to do this to Shinji.

I did enjoyed.
It was 2013 and I was just fired. No gf.

>>151310646
Masterpiece.

But what does Rei's poem in episode 14 mean?

>>151310646
I enjoyed the hell out of it as a teenager in the 90's. I can still enjoy and appropriated it now just for it's style. I'm not a fan of the new stuff and I don't have the passion for the old stuff I used to; it's just kind of a good show.

>>151316137
Anno is also responsible for spawning a lot of shitty "innovative" shots that directors use nowadays that don't make sense or just plain bad overall (blocking, perspective, etc.), but get a lot of pass, or even praise, from anime fans because it's "different" and "unique".

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>>151351274
Shinji loves angels, why can't you?

>>151351385
Loved, when he thought he was a human. Just like when he found out Rei was a freakazoid and stopped caring, he did the same with Kaworu and crushed him.

Kaworu betrayed him.

>>151341023
>World War 3
>*Second Impact

According to /m/, it's just a 'good' anime but a terrible mecha show.

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>>151351438
He still loves and cares for Kaworu even after he betrays him

He only crushed him because Kaworu asked him to.

>>151341727
>suddenly

>>151351450
Second Impact caused EVERYONE to launch their nukes.

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>>151351385
Because once you've already had your own apostrophe, for real, you will recognize the Deceiver for what he is.
The Devil wins by his charm, not by fire and coercion.

>>151348714
I mean yeah, he has no self confidence to do anything about it, and Asuka likewise didn't even know her own true feelings because she buried them so deep. Boomerangs back around to the idea that individuals can't understand each other.

Shinji is despicable though. As a character, brilliantly constructed; as a person, I'd put him out of his misery myself if I could.

>>151352885
But Shinji is Mankind, anon. It's what everyone really is without the facebook and the persona. Do you hate yourself?

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Reminder that Shinji is canonicaly heterosexual.
>Speaking about the blushing, is it because Shinji was happy that someone said they like him?
>Anno: Yes, Shinji-kun really didn't experience carnal desire there *laugh*.
Confirmed by Anno himself.

>>151350426
But you got her wrong, she always tried to connect with people, especially in regards to getting accepted as a woman, but failed miserably because she couldn't deal with herself.

>>151351024
Nobody with something resembling taste likes the rebuilds anon.

>>151352885
In the end, when Shinji understands the importance of human interaction, he does the bravest thing I've seen, he accepts the World that only brought him pain and rejection, not only for himself but for the whole humanity. Shinji and Asuka are the only grown up humans in the end

>>151351228
That's not a poem, silly anon. She is talking about what she feels in Shinjis eva. The first chunk refer to herself and the rest to shinji.
Or do you mean something else?

>>151341771
Basically everything you wrote is wrong. Asuka and Shinji came back for entirely unrelated reasons and the whole adam and eve theory is the most retarded fanwank to exist.
If even Asuka and Shinji decided to come back, the likelihood that others didn't is basically 0.

>>151353141
Of course he is, only idiots would think otherwise.

>>151353503
No they are not the only ones. The adam and eve theory is retarded.

I watched the the first two Rebuilds first on Toonami and then decided to watch the entire series on my own.

It's a shame I never got into the series it when it first came on.

EoE is an actual masterpiece

The show was a chore to sit through and is generally shit

Make of that what you will

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>>151353141
Anno said Kaworu and Shinji are homoerotic.

>>151354445
In the rebuilds maybe, but those are not canon.

>>151354618
He said that in 1996, about the Anime.
He said Kaworu and Shinji are more than friends, so Shinji must be bisexual.

However Kaworu is heterosexual.

>>151354698
He also said Shinji wasn't sexually attracted to him where's the lie.

>>151354698
He is attracted to him, but not in a sexual way.

>>151354814
That's because he has a pure and genuine love for him.
He loves him beyond his body, unlike with the girls.
So he is bisexual.

>>151354854
That still makes him bisexual.

>>151354888
I don't buy it. Sexuality is about sexual attraction so bisexual Shinji theory was busted.

>>151354698
>Kaworu is heterosexual
He's 100% pure homosexual

>>151354888
No it doesn't.

>>151354814
Anno never said that, he just said Shinji's blushing was because he loved Kaworu as a person, not because he just wanted to fuck him.
His love for him wasn't shallow like it was with Asuka, Misato, Rei.

>>151354959
>>151354993
He shows sexual attraction to Kaworu, because he was blushing at Kaworu even before he said he liked him.
And that's wrong, if you are a kid too young to know about sex but you have a crush on a girl, you are obviously straight and attracted to the girl.

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I thought it was pretty shit the first time watching it. The second time around I thought it was a masterpiece, and truly believe EoE is one of the best films ever made.

>>151353820
It's possible, but it's not what I'm talking about, you retard. I say that they are the only ones at the end of evangelion who come out of sea of LCL. So at the moment when the film ends, they are the only emotionally grown up people, others may come out later, yeah

>>151354978
Prove it.

Kaworu is straight, but Shinji is bi.

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>>151354959
>>151354814
>>151354854
Shinji is sexually attracted to Kaworu.