Dragon Ball

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Why didn't you save me /a/?

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>>151303306
Can't wait til the next real fuckin' arc.

>>151303429
We need Hakaishin waifus.

their normal outfits look so out of place to me after RoF.

Favourite dragon ball fight?

>>151303350
I-I'm sorry Zamasu ;_;

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>>151303516
I had forgotten that they trained under Whis once they changed back into their old clothes. If they had fought Zamasu with the outfits, it would've been like Whis' students opposing the self-proclaimed "god of justice."

Not to mention a new Vegetto design.

>>151303306
>>151303516
>>151303585

Its not much different anyway.

Vegeta is such a color swap.

Goku doesn't have his under garment.

>>151303350
I miss you so much!!!

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When?
>tfw Multiverse has ruined her and Super still hasn't put her back in to save her

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Reminder that Black was SS1

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>>151305562
but he definitely did flex SSJ2 at the beginning.

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>>151305562
Only upper panel looks similar to SS2, but all time was SS1 (with sparks, though, but clearly SS1)
SS2 Goku looks really different

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>>151305562
>b-but muh sparks!

>>151305610
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>>151305641
Reminder that Vegito had sparks in his SSJ1 form

>>151305610
But he definitely didn't
You don't know how movement works? You can even see how his clothes are moving too, is upward air caused by transformation
See >>151305613 SS2 Goku's hair is more spiky

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>>151305711
It looks the same, you tell me: Why gives you a valid reason to think that he can't attain SSJ2?

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It's safe to say that at the very least Zamasu can form sparks which are the threshold measurement to qualify a transformation as at least SSJ2 tier powerup.

>>151305732
>It looks the same
Except that's wrong and you know it, anon

>Why gives you a valid reason to think that he can't attain SSJ2?
Actually... Why gives you a valid reason to think that he can attain SS2, but not SS3, SSG or SSB? If Black was SS makes totally sense, he just can't use "advanced" forms, only the basic SS, not 2, 3 or god forms (yet) but why Black would be able to use SS2 but unable to SS3? "SS3 is a shitty form" is not an argument since Zamasu doesn't know so well how SS forms works, unlike Goku

>>151305862
Well, SS Black is above SS2 Trunks so he's clearly SS2 tier, above Dabura, Cell, etc

>>151303306
Why is the manga coming out so slow when they already know what frames to draw?

How far ahead is the show?

>>151305909
>but why Black would be able to use SS2 but unable to SS3?
Because clearly SSJ3 is a special form it took Goku to learn in the afterlife with no stamina/health/corporeal form.
It's the same basic reason why Vegeta and Trunks doesn't have SSJ3.
What we do know is that he can flex hard enough to make his hair stand and create sparks. Those qualities alone showcase that he can revv his ki up to at least "SSJ2 tier"

>>151303306
Could Hit beat Black during that first fight?

>people still think the authors give a fuck about the difference between SS1 and SS2

They're basically treated as the same shit, never do you see anyone actually power up to SS2 anymore.

>>151306023
Seeing how manga Hit isn't an overpowered piece of shit like in Toei's turd anime, maybe. But that depends on whether Black is smart enough to figure out Hit's gimmick. He probably isn't.

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>>151303537
pic related

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>>151303537

>>151303537
Vegeta vs Recoome

or Gotenks vs Buu

>>151303537
I liked when Mr Satan defeated Cell

>>151307688
that was the best

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So the Italian dub of DBS just premiered, first official non-Japanese dub

>>151306018
>SSJ3 is a special form it took Goku
>It's the same basic reason why Vegeta and Trunks doesn't have SSJ3.

>headcanon

>>151303730
They look better with SSJ Blue though.

>>151308242
it's not head canon we know for a fact it's a special technique he learned in the after life, and we also know that Vegeta and Trunks still haven't learned how to use it.
That gives plenty of reason to assume that you can't just say Zamasu should be able to use SSJ3 just because.

>>151306018
>>151308242
>>151308267

real reason: SSJ3 was a joke form Toriyama made look goofy on purpose to make fun of himself and his transformations

>>151308267
Explain Gotenks then.

>>151308270
This, Goku has only used that form twice anyway. Once during the Buu fight where it was on screen for like 2 minutes and he didn't get anything done, and another against Beerus where he got the shit kicked out of him.

That being said, SSJ3 looks bitchin

>>151308340
Asspull fusion that's gag tier.

>>151308267
>Vegeta doesn't need SS3, is already above that
>Trunks is a less talented fighter than Goku
>Gotenks is talented enough to reach SS3

>"I-Is clearly a special technique for Goku!"

Also your argument is pointless. Even if SS3 is Goku-only for some no sense reason, Zamasu still in Goku's body who knows how go to SS3. SS2 and SS3 are subforms of regular SS so makes sense that Zamasu doesn't know how use them, why he would be capable to use only the first subform in a body already capable to use both?

>>151308422
I'm saying if he hasn't used it yet, he doesn't know how.
Same goes for Vegeta and Trunks, you don't need to whip up a reason that they can't use it, same goes for Black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDFa3tuhw8

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Why did Viz change the DBS logo?

>>151308511
>I'm saying if he hasn't used it yet, he doesn't know how.
So..? I'm saying the same thing, that's not the point.

>Same goes for Vegeta and Trunks, you don't need to whip up a reason that they can't use it
Except there's real reasons, also you already posted your own reasons why are you trying to ignore it now?

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>>151308758
what the fuck are you saying? Your last post has fucked up grammar and I don't even know what you're saying anymore.
The point is he hasn't gone SSJ3 that's enough reason to assume he doesn't know how to.

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Goku (manga) > Goku (anime)
Vegeta (manga) = Vegeta (anime)
Piccolo (anime) > Piccolo (manga)
Frost (manga) > Frost (anime)
Hit (anime) > Hit (manga)
Black (anime) > Black (manga)

RIP Black. He went from a beautiful smuglord to a weak punk.

Even IF he gets SSR, the arc is ending soon and he wasn't much of a threatening presence for the majority of it.

Why did Toyotaro take away the tension from the main "antagonists"? Same happened with Hit...

>>151308747
Vegerot, Djinn Boo

>>151308945
>Why did Toyotaro take away the tension from the main "antagonists"? Same happened with Hit...
because it's a monthly that's lagging behind the anime that has the privilege of being a weekly.

>>151306696
>Vegeta vs Recoome

That's the best one i can think off at the top of my head as well.

>>151308991
It would be great if DBS was a weekly manga

Though I doubt Toyotaro would like that terrible work schedule

>>151309206
Seem pretty hectic considering he needs time to get TA to over see it.

Is that autist still going on about Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu?

>>151303537
Krillin vs Jackie Chun

>>151307818
Can someone tell me what took so long? Dragonball was and should still be hot shit. Why the hell are dubbing companies only now getting around to it? Did Toei put a year long ban on dubbing or something?

>>151309340
Considering that it's DB, maybe it was very expensive?

>>151309238
It's still entirely possible.

Toriyama had editors overseeing him too while he was doing his own manga weekly.

And I really doubt Toriyama himself oversees as much as an editor would. He's a lazy old man that forgets everything...

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>>151309463
well that's the problem, he's lazy so we don't know how long it takes for Toyotaro's shit to get to him and back with the corrections.

>>151308747
Can someone rip chapter 12 onwards from Viz please?

>>151307818
But that's wrong, Portugal did it first and is already well intro the RoF arc.

>>151309781
You don't need to. It's free

https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/dragon-ball-super

>>151307818
>first official non-japanese dub

No, anon, that's the Portuguese dub. They're already halfway through the F arc.

>>151305953
But manga SS2 Trunks is above SSJ3 Goku who is Buu tier.

>>151310041
Instead of dubbing the F arc, they should dub the special edition of the movie.

>>151310107
But that was already proved inconsistent because SS2 Vegeta being several times stronger than SS3 Goku is fucking stupid

>>151310338
>what is BoG?

>>151310041
It's actually better than expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_MntBfqc4

Much better than the original one.

>>151310356
>it happened
>this somehow means it's not fucking retarded

>>151310460
>But that was already proved inconsistent
Keep up anon.

>>151310520
I'm saying that Vegeta surpassing Goku back in BoG was a shit scene and really only existed to appease Vegeta fanboys. It made no sense and it was retarded.

You keep up, anon.

>>151310576
I'm saying that Vegeta being stronger than SS3 Goku has been a thing since BoG so it isn't "inconsistent" Quite slow aren't you?

>>151310629
I wasn't the guy saying it was inconsistent. My first reply to you was >>151310460

I merely said it was retarded. It is retarded. Just like Vegeta's SS2 being stronger than Black's.

>>151306002
Mangaka's with assistants have trouble with a standard schedule, there's no chance of Toyotaro ever catching up after they passed him in the U6 arc. Even with him gutting the arcs to speed up.

>>151310661
>Just like Vegeta's SS2 being stronger than Black's.
At least it's not as bad the Anime where Base Black toyed with Blue Vegeta.

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>>151303350
I wasn't strong enough.

>>151310661
Then your reply was useless since it had nothing to do with my post.

>>151310017
Yeah, but I want them backed up on my PC.

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>>151303537
Goku and Vegeta first encounter.
In the second and third place Goku vs Freezer and Piccolo vs Goku.

Honorable mention to pic related.

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So why was Black's hair pink? Shouldn't it have been blue like regular Goku since Zamasu stole his body?

He already had God ki at that point anyway so I don't see why it went pink. If he steals Goku's body shouldn't he have the same appearance changes as well?

why pink?

>>151311126
The color of your aura probably stems from your soul. Zamasu naturally have a violet colored aura and it must have not changed even after swapping bodies that resulted in a different SSGSS

>>151311126
DBS exists to sell toys and merchandise

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>>151311126
Blue = mortal
Rose = god

>>151311237
>The color of your aura probably stems from your soul.

That's assuming Goku and Vegeta have the same soul.

It could be that Goku and Vegeta aren't kai's

>>151311264
A SSB Black would sell too just because he's Black

>>151311124
>Honorable mention to pic related.
That fight was way too short in the manga.

>>151311357
>That's assuming Goku and Vegeta have the same soul.
no I'm just saying saiyans must have a default blue color that differs from a Kai.

>>151310942
anyone know what episode Black touches Vegeta's chin with his hand?

>>151311573
56

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>>151303537
Yeah Cell was holding back, but they both appeared to be enjoying themselves. And Cell had some legitimate respect for Goku, since he didn't spend 30 minutes mocking him like Frieza.

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The manga version of this arc is gonna end the same way as the anime isn't it?

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>>151303350
because you killed everyone member?!

>>151311264
don't forget the video game tie ins. that's the real reason why nothing is going to change and trunks and mai had to go back instead of becoming regulars

>>151312701
it's pretty obvious,since the ending must be Toriyama's directed

>>151303537
Vegeta Vs Goku, Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe

>>151312663
>tfw cell will never respect you

>>151303537
gohan vs buutenks

>>151303350
Not enough killed ningens

Why is Tenshinhan so boring?

Where's that retard who was arguing with me about Spirit Bomb vs Kid Buu? I want to blow you the fuck out again, faggot.

>>151310356
>BoG saga in the manga
>SS2 Vegeta above SS3 Goku
Pick one

>>151303537
Goku vs Jackie Chun, Goku vs Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, Vegeta vs Recoome, Goku vs Vegeta in the Buu Saga, Vegeta vs Beerus, and say what you will about this, but Goku vs Nuova Shenron

>>151310576
t. asshurt Gokufag

They're equal now, you can let go off your buttrage, anon.

Could SSB Vegito beat the Grand Priest if the stupid time limit thing was somehow removed? He's at least Whis-tier if not somewhat above.

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Soon

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>>151306378
Pottery?

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>>151315688
Is the Great Saiyaman the hero that /a/ deserves?

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>>151315620
>He's at least Whis-tier

>>151315620
>He's at least Whis-tier if not somewhat above.
He's barely Beerus tier

Unless he uses SSB Kaioken I guess

>>151315620
I doubt Vegito is Beerus tier.

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>>151316134
>>151316138
Are you memecat fags really that asshurt that Vegito would stomp Beerus?

>>151316208
Beerus ain't getting topped unless Toriyama says so.

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Just read the Future Trunks arc in the manga.

Surprised to see how weak Black is. But the real issue is...WHERE IS FUTURE YAJIROBE ;-;

Beerus Kart 64 was fun though. Why is Godtube a typewriter now?

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>>151316208
>Vegetto
>Doing anything to Beerus

>>151316267
Because toyotaro is a hack

>>151316258
>this meme again
Whis already said Goku+Vegetable working together could beat Beerus. What the fuck do you think Vegito could do?

>>151316307
>le reddit catman would beat vegito ehehehe
It literally makes no sense. Beerus probably would have gotten murdered by Blamasu and Vegito kicked the shit out of him.

>>151316326
He said Vegeta and Goku working together could beat Frieza no problems. I am going to need source on when he said anything about beating Beerus.

>>151316267
>WHERE IS FUTURE YAJIROBE
Dead for years

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>>151316369
>Beerus probably would have gotten murdered by Blamasu

>Merged Pepe
>Near Beerus level

>>151316326
Being Korin's bean daddy.

>>151316326
>Whis already said Goku+Vegetable working together could beat Beerus.

He said MIGHT

Vegetto is still nowhere near Whis' level

>>151316021
Don't you mean the Great Saiyacuck?

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>>151316326
>Whis already said Goku+Vegetable working together could beat Beerus
>Never said in Super

We're doing this again, aren't we

>>151312663
How much of his power he used on that fight?
Maybe 70% or 60%?
I mean Goku even gave to Cell a senzu, maybe because he knew full power Gohan could probably defeat Cell without going SSJ2.

>>151316369
Did you miss Beerus literally deleting that faggot from existence

>>151316551
He deleted current timeline Zamasu that never killed GowasuTV's host Gowasu.

Doesn't mean that anon is not a fag, though.

>>151316506
RoF is canon. Movie re-tellings are filler.

Zero evidence of Toriyama actually re-writing them.

> DBS is announced
> "I'm working on a script that takes our heroes into another Universe! Stay tuned!"

>>151316378
It was in RoF, same as when he talked about them beating Frieza.

>>151316442
>>151316454
t. furfags

>>151316482
But he could stomp Beerus.

>>151316506
The movies are still the canon, not the shitty Super retellings.

>>151316551
Did you miss how you're a fucking retard? I was talking about Merged Zamasu.

>>151308422
Trunks is the most talented fighter Gohan Said it himself trunks has greater potential, how do you explain he reaching goku/vegeta levels of Power with 5minutes of training in a random florest

>>151316491
No, it's Great Cuckasaiyajobber

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>that time Goku transformed into a giant black square to flatten his opponent and win the tenkaichi
Why was this technique never mentioned again? The writing really went downhill past Dragon Ball

>>151316633
What makes you think he couldn't do the same to a Zamasu that fused with himself dumbass

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>post yfw Goku and Vegeta say Blamasu is stronger than Beerus in the manga

>>151316633
>But he could stomp Beerus
He might be at his level. I don't know about "stomping"

If anything it'll be a close fight

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>>151316527
>I mean Goku even gave to Cell a senzu, maybe because he knew full power Gohan could probably defeat Cell without going SSJ2.

Cell was a little tired after this

>>151316670
Surely you mean the Great Cuckman

>>151316700
It wouldn't have worked on Zama2, obviously. The Zamasu he deleted was at like SS2 Goku level, i.e. a fucking joke.

>>151316711
I feel like it would be close until Vegito went blue.

>>151303537
All the Goku vs Tien fights.

Way before power beam spamming came into affect.

>>151316700
> Implying Zamasu = Fusion Zamasu

You can't be this stupid...

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>>151316633
>furfags

Nice argument Vegettocuck

Post your face when the manga gets SSG Vegito instead of SSB

>>151316740
My bad, I fucked up, I meant the Cuck Cuckaman

>>151316764
>I feel like it would be close until Vegito went blue

I meant SSB Vegetto

Whis said they 'might' be able to take on Beerus if they worked together, but I'm pretty sure he meant at full-power...

>>151316779
The ones I called furfags had no argument you disgusting Beerusfag.

>>151316721
Obviously Cell was still more powerful than Goku, but his energy decreased because of that kamehameha. Without the senzu, do you think Gohan had a chance to defeat Cell only using SSJ full power?

>>151316633
>being this fucking retarded
Hes not on Berrus's level and hes not getting beaten end of story now shut the fuck up.

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mangafags literally cannot defend this

>>151316841
Whats there to defend? It makes no sense for him to not have access to it like in the anime

>>151308945
Goku(anime) is stronger because kaioken

>>151316820
Obviously base Goku and Vegeta couldn't do shit to Beerus, but base Vegito is probably close to his level.

>>151316840
Nice argument, Beerusfag. What clear and concise points you've made. You've defeated me. I surrender to your vast, impenetrable shield of facts.

>>151316867
>what's there to defend

The fact that it's fucking retarded

>>151316874
Beerus fighting Champa destroyed planets
SSB Vegito vs Merged Zamasu didn't even destroy the city they were fighting in

>>151316841
Except there's literally zero problem here, animefag

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>>151303537
I think my favourite overall is Goku vs Frieza, as it was the perfect final boss for Goku, but as a straight-up fight, Goku vs Cell.
Escalated perfectly, incredible choreography that both displayed each fighter's martial prowess and gave an accurate sense of power without falling into the pitfall of "rapid strike sequence repeated ad-nauseum" and "flashy ki blast struggles for minutes straight", and to top it all, the commentary by Goku's friends illustrated perfectly how they viewed him as pretty much the transcendent saviour following his win over Frieza.
Shit was fire.

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>>151316633
>Vegitocucks still assblasted

Come on guys, let it go already

>>151316867
Beerus said Goku absorbed SSG

But not just that...for what purpose did Goku go SSG against Hit? Vegeta already went SSB against him and lost.

>>151316841
Isn't Blue supposed to be stronger than Goddo?

>>151316841
animefags literally cannot defend not having this

>>151303537
Goku vs grandpa Gohan, Goku vs Jackie Chun, all Goku vs Tenshinhan fights and second Goku vs Vegeta fight

>>151316962
Because SSB drains Gokus stamina, SSG does not

>>151316962
To save stamina.
He only went Blue at the end.

>>151316873
I'm not talking about stronger. I meant better characters.

>>151316935
Beerus fighting Champa is filler

>>151316958
>Memecatfags still sucking off their furry god based on old interviews and headcanon and spouting "cuuuuuck" every time they post

Come on guys, learn some new words

>>151316935
Goku fighting Freeza destroyed a planet
SS Vegetto vs Buu-Gohan didn't even destroy the area they were fighting in

Where's your argument?

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>Beerus and Champa can't fight because that would destroy the universe

>Vegetto and Zamasu fight
>Nothing happens

Really makes you think

>>151317051
Filler.

>>151316326
>Whis already said Goku+Vegetable working together could beat Beerus. What the fuck do you think Vegito could do?

Beerus also said he was using 100% of his power against pre-blue Goku.
Whis also compared them as small, dilapidated trees, to a towering castle that was Beerus, meaning Goku+Vegeta couldn't HOPE to match him.
We have no idea Beerus' true potential, it's stupid to say who he could and couldn't beat.

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what's his name again?

>>151316991
> SSG does not

You don't know that. In fact, we barely know anything about SSG since Goku last used it after the SSG ritual

>>151317084
Cucks

>>151317051
>Manga
Beer and Champagne can fight
Black has SSJ

>Anime
They can't
Black can't SSJ

Animefags BTFO

>>151316997
He would've saved more stamina if he just went SSB immediately

>>151317084
Marysue son of Jober

>>151317084
A failure.

>>151316962
>Beerus said Goku absorbed SSG
Not in the manga you filthy animefag
Why you people always trying to mix the manga-continuity with anime's? There's no blue Kaioken or god ki in base in the manga, your complaints are pointless

>>151317079
He did use 100% of his power, to cancel out the universe-destroying energy.

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>>151317012
>>Memecatfags still sucking off their furry god based on old interviews and headcanon and spouting "cuuuuuck" every time they post

>This level of butthurt

>>151317051
Goku learned how to cancel out universe-breaking punches

>>151310338
Nah its consistent with BOG, trunks being Strong as fuck makes sense 2, he has been fighting Black for almost a year and before that it was babidi and dabura, he is coming of the fact he has been fighting 2 survive since birth his base form should be absurdly Strong

>>151317173
The manga doesnt have RoF
Mangafags blown the fuck out

>>151317146
Vegeta tried that twice. Didn't worked that good.

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>>151317074
>Happened in both anime and manga
>Filler
>Vegitocucks

>>151317212
>Manga doesn't have worst arc in Super

I'm ok with this

>>151317137
>Black can't SSJ

How is this a bad thing?

The whole arc in the manga has made Black seem like a pushover. No smug, no strength, everything that we love about him is gone

>>151317084
mary cuckunksu

>>151317212
>The manga doesnt have RoF
So? Your point again?

>>151317205
>BOG
no >>151315312

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When will the Vejobber meme die?

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>Powerlevels again

See you tomorrow guys

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>>151317324
never

>>151317173
> not in the manga

But it's in the anime AND movie (which Toriyama fucking wrote)

Retard

>>151317272
>How is this a bad thing?
Toriyama outline include Black having both, regular SS and Rose
In the anime continuity Rose is Black version of SS, so the are literally ignoring the canon source

>>151317258
The manga use the much superior movie version of Rof and Bog

>>151317350
Toriyama checks and approves every single Manga panel which means he has accepted SSG coming back as canon

>>151317378
At least the anime made Black more interesting and made him actually threatening

Manga Black is boring and weak fodder

is there anything more autistic than MangavsAnime-fags?

>>151317350
>he doesn't know what a retcon is
Not surprising you are a stupid toeishill

>>151317272
Black should've used SSJ in the anime before he could SSR

>>151317454
Give them a minute

>>151317395
> implying Toriyama checks everyting
> implying Toriyama doesn't want Toyotaro to include his own content

>>151317443
>w-well maybe toei are ignoring the only unquestionable source of canon, b-but I liked how they did!

>Trunks actually fought SSJ2 black before
>only remembers when its too late

>>151317458
> Toyo retconning Toriyama

Yea ok

>>151317519
> to include his own content

So, the same thin Toei does

>>151317534
>manganiggers will defend this

>>151317467
Maybe. But not at the cost of turning one of the cooler villains (in the anime at least) into Yamcha.

Going SS against SSB is a pretty dumb idea anyway

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>>151317519
>implying Toriyama checks everyting
Because he do :^) Toriyama literally cared about a stupid look for the nameless planet but was totally OK with SSG returning

>>151317601
Yup.

But in the case of SSG, Toei is just following from the movies

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Quick question, did Goku die yet? I only get my Super info from these threads.

>>151317631
SS v SSB is dumb yea, but Normal v SSB is dumber

>>151317685
Which one?
Goku black? Goku? Goten? Bardock? Turles?

>>151317573
>co-author wants some old content being retconned
>original author is totally agree

>not a legit retcon

>>151317636
> checking EVERYTHING

That's too much work even for Alzheimer-Toriyama

also again,
> he pushes Toyo to include his own OC shit

>>151317724
That's why he went SSR.

>>151317736
Regular goku? Wasn't Hit supposed to kill him or something?

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>>151317778
>"O-obviously he's senile so he doesn't know w-what he's doing" argument

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>>151317601
this
Toei and Toyotaro are doing the same thing, the only difference is... well :^)

>>151317832
Oh that, yeah Goku died, but he's coming back next episode

> Mangafags vs Animefags are at it again

FUck

>>151317685
We dont know for sure

>>151317846
> Toriyama isn't satisfied with DBS

He said that in an interview during the movie re-tellings. Stop spreading your lies.

Everyone knows the movie re-tellings were shit.

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>>151317882
Thanks mate.

It's kind of lame that he will come back pretty quick after getting killed. Seems odd to me but I'm sure I'll need to watch or read it to know.

>>151317832
It seems that blast he launched up will come back down and hit him making his heart beat again

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>>151317970
It's filler anyway. Don't pay too much mind to it

The anime will go back on track February

>>151303306
Who would win, SSGSS Vegito at full power or Scooby Doo after eating a bunch of Scooby snax at full power?

>>151303537
Goku vs Jackie Chun is underrated.

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Reminder, these people gave us shitty villains like Baby or Super 17. If you think they are doing a better job now, you are wrong also ignore the broken english or correct it yourself because I don't give a shit

>>151318101
I'd put Scooby (with Scooby Snax) over Zeno-chan

But Arale and Saitama would be above even Scooby.

>>151306378
That fight is overrated as fuck, is Goku vs Majin Vegeta any good?

>>151318136
>these people gave us shitty villains like Baby or Super 17 (without Toriyama's scripts)

>anon thinks Toei is composed of the same people from 20 years ago.

>>151317173
Nobody gives two shits about the manga. People primarily discuss the anime on the board that's primarily anime, surprise surprise.

>>151317179
Yeah, but not during the actual fight, he just used his God-hax to cancel that energy because shit was getting wacky.

>>151316692
Which fight was that?

>>151306696
This. Why is it so good?

The Ginyu Force is probably my favourite group of antagonists in mango

i just.....
i can't.
the fucking racism here.
you people are ill
literally shaking right now.....
wow.....just. just wow. literally unbelievable.
ill never understand this......place.
it feels like
after the past 2 weeks i have been here it just seems to get worst and worst.....
blatant racism
child porn spam
animal abuse
anti semitism
holocaust denial
woman hating
homophobia
fat shaming
off topic adult cartoons
the list goes on and on.......
the n word literally hurled around like it was a casual insult......
are there even moderators to control this insane place??!!!
disgusting.....are you even "humans"? or just jaded pieces of SHIT??!!
i see why you people are callled the sewer of the internet...


Why hasn't Raditz come back yet?

>>151318240
>justifying stupid behavior with ignorance

>>151318166
What about full power prime Bugs Bunny?

>>151316841
Goku not absorbing god ki into his base is the dumbest shit about the manga.
Toyo is horrible when it comes to his own creativity and twists, it surprised me Tori let him do this when it contradicts the BoG and took some handy retconning.

>>151318347
>justifying giving a shit about the irrelevant format

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>impying ANYTHING in Super could EVER fucking come even close to these kinds of moments in Z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXWviUgn_fE

Fuck the sub. Fuck Super. Z reigns supreme.

>>151317759
>>151316841

> Manga has shitty retcon

> Retcon doesn't exist in the anime

I thought people hated retcons? Why are mangafags now defending it?

>>151318510
> Z reigns supreme

Was that even a question? Obviously Z is better than Super.

The question was DBS or GT

So whats worse
Final Kamehameha doing nothing or Big Bang Kamehameha doing nothing?

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>>151316962
truly /our guy/

>>151318646
Final Kamehameha "did nothing" because the villain was literally an immortal god

Big Bang Kamehameha not only did nothing, but looks like a flashlight

>>151318646
FInal obviously. Vegeta moves rank
1.Final Flash
2.Big Bang Attack
3. Gallick Gun

>>151318409
Literally why? God ki is a shitty concept in the anime. Goku should have "lost" his SS forms after BOG that would have been really good, scrap those forms and let only (godly) base Goku and (godly) SS Goku (blue) like the old times but Toriyama really wanted use yellow forms again so Goku is now a digimon with dozens of forms

Manga Goku have
base
SS
SS2
SS3
SSG
SSB

Anime Goku have
base
god base
SS
god SS
SS2
god SS2
SS3
god SS3
SSB

Anime idea is clearly worse

>>151318451
>manga version
>the irrelevant format
Akira Toriyama isn't agree with you :^)

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Don't they have the same time-limit?

Although since Potara is supposed to be 30 minutes longer than Fusion Dance...SSB Gogeta's time-limit would be smaller than SSB Vegetto

>>151318760
SSB is God SS
It's SS tapping into his Godki
Which makes the Manga retarded because Goku only has access to GodKi during SSG in it

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>>151303350
>Asks Gowasu to show him ningen aren't pure evil
>Gowasu only shows him more evidence of the evil of ningen
Given the circumstances, Zamasu did nothing wrong. Literally nothing wrong.

>>151318760
You are trying to make that list longer than it should.

Now the anime has:
> god base (post-SSG absorption)
> SS
> SS2
> SS3
> SSB

>>151318760
SSB is literally called SSG SS you retard

>>151312701
Toyotaro Said it would be slighty different, the 2 zenos will still be there though

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>>151318568
>"I thought people hated retcons?"
>"I heard some people saying X, why now exist people with a different mind? Hypocrites!"

>>151318842
The more energy a form uses the less time a fusion gets.

SSJ3 Gotenks got 5 minutes.
SSJ4 Gogeta got 15 minutes I believe.
SSB Vegetto got 5 minutes.

>>151318999
I'd prefer no retcon vs a shitty retcon any day

>>151317051
Neither Vegetto or Zimzam were hakaishins I guess

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Posting official power levels done by yours truly

>>151319002
How does SS3 have 5 minutes but SS4 have 15 minutes??

Either your wrong or GT is retarded.

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>>151319083

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So is this how that shit works?

>>151318136
The only bad arc in GT was the super 17 one, everything else was good or great

>>151319089
SSJ3 has always been inefficient garbage. That's how.

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>>151319124

>>151319189
>SSJ2 Gohan would have still dominated Cell if not for Vegeta
nope

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>>151319189

>>151319166
>being this delusional
The ONLY good villian from GT is Baby and even then he's a 6/10

>>151319166
> Black Star DB Saga is good
> Shadow Dragon Saga is good

Shit taste confirmed

>>151318863
>>151318961
>>151318968
You people realize when Goku fighted Beerus in the space was using a SS form with his god power but not SSGSS, right? SS+god ki and SSGSS aren't the same thing, Goku and Vegeta have their regular SS forms, their regular SS forms using god ki and their SS blue forms

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>>151319237

Cell is weaker than SSJ2 Gohan, deal with it.

>>151319244

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>>151319295

finito

>>151319189
>>151319124
Are these official i though F. Trunks was stronger than vegeta at Both these points

>>151319237
Actually yea

SS2 Gohan said his power was cut after taking the damage for Vegeta.

Yet he still killed Cell with one arm

>>151319045
>"I'd prefer"
So your argument is...

>>151317324
best character has no memes

>>151316527
More than half but less than 90%

>>151319292
>their regular SS forms using god ki

When do they EVER use that

Stop making up shit

>>151319244
>>151319295
>SSJ2 Goku suddenly has half the power he did before.

How could anyone take this Mexitrash seriously?

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>>151319139
Probably, but they fucked up. The way I thought it worked at first, and the way that would make way more sense, would be something like this:

SSJG (red Goku) is simply "Saiyan God", or the base form with God Ki.
SSJG, SSJG2 etc. would all simply be the saiyan transformations we're familliar with, except with God Ki.

It'd also be cool that if the God Ki truly had been absorbed by Goku as Beerus mentioned to such an extent, he'd no longer be able to use Super Saiyan without using God Ki. Regular Super Saiyan transformations are redundant at this point, even Vegeta's inability to go SSJ3 is now a non-issue.

I unironically like how in GT they got around this by having Bulma use a machine to force Vegeta to go SSJ4.

>>151319377
No argument. Just find it silly that mangafags are defending a manga-only retcon.

That's all.

>>151319365

He was only "stronger" during the Cell Saga (pre-games) in that his power levels was higher in his ultra-buffed state.

Vegeta in reality could have done the exact same thing but wasn't a retard and opted out of it because it's a useless form.

>>151319275
The shadow dragons tied the show up with the rest of the DB-verse perfectly, it last chapter is one of the best in the series and the shadow dragons is a fantastic concept

>>151319488
Thank you i though he was Just stronger in general but it was a statement over his buffed form

>>151319503
It's a god concept, yes.

The execution is hilariously bad. Only one of the dragons is interesting in any way and the majority of them are fodder tier who give Goku trouble for retarded contrived reasons.

>>151319449
GT did many smart things

>>151319503
>tied the show up with the rest of the DB-verse perfectly,
How? It implied there were only 7 wishes ever. Each Shadow Dragon was born out of a wish.

Also 7 dragons meant there could've been a RoF-style fight with 6 other Z-fighters. But in the end, Goku did everything. Even Vegeta getting SS4 was pointless.

That Saga was also responsible for:
> SS4 Goku vs building
> SS4 Goku gets hurt by Omega, but Base Kid Goku tanks it
> Adult Gotenks tease.
> SS4 Gogeta being a retard (Fusion Reborn personality gone)

>>151319369
*with the help of goku

>>151319807
Goku was dead, he wasn't actually doing anything there except telling Gohan to quit being a whiny bitch and put his full power into it.

>>151319807
Goku's ghost was coaching him via King Kai's telepathy

You don't honestly think Goku's ghost physically helped Gohan, do you?

>>151319907
>You don't honestly think Goku's ghost physically helped Gohan, do you?
If only Goku had some ability that allows him to instantly teleport somewhere

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>>151319139
I think it's more like this

>>151319419
Maybe when Beerus mentioned Goku have now the SSG power?

>>151319961
> Implying IT revives the user if he's dead

You literally see Goku talking to Gohan by touching King Kai's fucking shoulder

>>151318609
Breh Super is better than GT
Super at least has based slice of life

>>151318832
Nobody
Cares

>>151320026
That's just SS1 (post-SSG absorption)

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>>151320092
Agreed.

But even the non- slice of life aspects are better

>>151318760
Because the anime's idea promotes more of a sense of progression with Goku becoming more powerful and directly evolving from BoG, which was the big re-ignition for the series.
Whereas the manga scraps that.
Also, he doesn't necessarily have God Ki in base, I think it's that he absorbed SSG's powers into his base form, and converted the Ki to usable normal Ki.
SSB is the weaponized God ki.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFvkdSolaAE

These colors are so much better that it's embarrassing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8DJNNtPBDI

>>151320106
That's what I'm saying, anon. [SS+ SSG power] and [SSGSS] are two different things

>>151318760
>elongating the anime list to disparage it

Goku doesn't use godly ki unless he's in SSB.
His new base form is just more powerful by proxy of absorbing SSG's power. It's just a stronger base, plain and simple.
The god ki comes in at SSB

>>151320092
Shut the fuck up when people talks about how manga is canon, then

>>151320636
>>151320179
>he use SSG power, not god ki
>he drinks H2O, not water

>>151320800
>he use SSG power, not god ki

That was the entire point, I thought it was obvious.
Fucking Vegeta has SBG, and he didn't absorb SSG's power, doesn't that make it clear enough.
Directly from the wiki page for SBG: In the Resurrection ‘F’ manga and movie Goku's Saiyan beyond God state is shown to be able to access part of the powers of Super Saiyan God, though without the godly ki or other benefits of the form.
SSG was God Ki, he retained it's powers, but not the properties of God Ki, SSB is his newfound power mixed with God Ki.

>>151319292
Yeah, you're full of shit.

>>151320526
Yes but then you list:
> SS
> god SS
> SS2
> god SS2...

As if Goku has BOTH SS and SS(post-SSG) in his arsenal now, which is wrong.

Your original post was misleading

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this thread is fucking cancer right now holy fucking shot stop being autistic over power levels

>>151320867
>Vegeta didn't absorb SSG's power
That was the entire point, I thought it was obvious. According to Beerus words, no one born hakaishin, you BECOME hakaishin, that's why Whis is a thing. Whis as master is responsible for Beerus ability to use god ki (because obviously he didn't absorb Super Cat God power in the past) and is responsible for Vegeta ability to use god ki. Goku absorbed SSG's ability of use god ki because "he's a prodigy" excuse so he didn't need learn it by Whis.
God ki is clearly a learnable thing or Beerus comments (about Goku and Vegeta becoming hakaishins or himself becoming one in the past) wouldn't make sense

>>151321517
>According to Beerus words, no one born hakaishin, you BECOME hakaishin

Shitty English aside, nice headcanon there

>>151319089
They've said many times that SSJ3 isn't power efficient, hell, I think they even said that in GT

So how many times has Goku died now?

Three?

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Freeza invasion on XV2.

Every player is in the skies at the moment, waiting for a soldier to arrive and attempt to attack.

muhahahaah

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>>151317084
Best boy

>>151321786
But SSB is efficient. So was SS4.

Point is, the stronger the transformation = the shorter the fusion lasts

>>151321793
Goku deaths:
- Raditz
- Cell
- Hit (filler, also probably didn't actually die)

>>15132190
>>151319753
No, it means that when the dragon balls were created, they weren't meant to be used so much in such an incredibly short period of time. There needs to be time for the dark energy to disperse and Goku and co were using it almost every year it felt.

>>151322046
Ok but:

Also 7 dragons meant there could've been a RoF-style fight with 6 other Z-fighters. But in the end, Goku did everything. Even Vegeta getting SS4 was pointless.

That Saga was also responsible for:
> SS4 Goku vs building
> SS4 Goku gets hurt by Omega, but Base Kid Goku tanks it
> Adult Gotenks tease.
> SS4 Gogeta being a retard (Fusion Reborn personality gone)

>>151321517
Alrighty, well, we could go back-and-forth, but, you're wrong, whatever.

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Will 17 replace Trunks?

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>>151321864
>Want to play Xenoverse 2
>Just buying what's out now will cost me 60 euros
>And on top of that I'll have to buy future DLC
>Even Xenoverse 1 with all DLC is 60 dollars

I really, really want to play Xenoverse (2) and insert my OC Donut Steel, but it's way too expensive.

>>151322166
Yes, they ended up fucking up the shadow dragons, but the concept was cool.

There were only 2 and 1/2 good shadow dragons, Nouva, Eis(they have the exact same design) Omega and Oceanus, who they fucked up by making her a generic monster.

The other ones looked like shit. Plus, they should have looked like real dragons.

>>151322238
They'll probably attempt to make the Goku, Vegeta & Gohan Show and fail at it.

>>151303306
Explain to me SSB please

Can Goku/Vegeta fight with normal Ki and activate if they want God Ki?

>>151322248
I haven't purchased the first DLC pack, but I'm planning on buying the season pass so I can simply have them all when they all release.

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>>151317324
>When will the Vejobber meme die?
The only reason I watch Z/Super is to see Jobeta losing, don't deny the last fun thing to me!

>>151322440
They only get god ki when SSB.

Or at least it's the only form that uses it. They probably have god ki always now, but they decide when to use it.

>>151303470
The less thing a good series needs is shitty waifus to ruin the epicness of the fights.
Vados and 18 are already bad enough.

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>>151323228
Anon, please repent.

>>151321560
>Beerus accuses Goku and Vegeta to want to become hakaishins
>also Whis offered the job to Goku
>those facts imply anyone can become a hakaishin being instructed and accept by angel

>headcanon
Ok buddy, nice to argue with you

Alright, I just got out of work, and I still don't see how so many people think SSB Vegito would get beaten by Beerus. Someone please explain this retarded train of thought because no one did a good job last time, just threw around a lot of insults and memes.

>>151323691
>Beerus looks at Vegito
>Hakai
wow so hard to understand

>>151323720
>implying Vegito would just fucking stand there and let Beerus Hakai him
Good job being a retard, also it's funny how Beerusfags don't find that embarrassing. Don't you guys want him to be able to win without just going "lol god hax xD"?

>>151321560
Then why Whis asked Goku if he wants to become a god of destruction one day?

>>151321560
You're just intentionally being stupid now.