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So were they gay or just bait?

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So were they gay or just bait?
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>>151276139
bait
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>>151276139
bait
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Real talk, anyone else thought this scene ended in sex?
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They are absolutely straight.
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Definitely.
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fujobait
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>>151276139
bi
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I do the same things with my straight bro all day.
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>>151276139
They're best bros. Yuuri got them bro rings and everything.

The "wedding rings" part was just an animation mistake.
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>>151276139
There was nothing gay about Yuri on Ice. I get engaged to my bros all the time.
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>>151277116
>Tfw no straight bro to exchange 700€ wedding ring at Christmas
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>>151276139
Men getting pregnant by their bros eros is just bro stuff man.
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>>151276249
Probably everyone @ pixiv
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More like Score...bait.
Something something JJ sucks and this pure boy should have won bronze.
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>>151276139
Actually gay, but we got as blue balled as we do with any other sexually underdeveloped relationship in anime.
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>>151276139
Everything in this industry is bait 99% of the time.
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>>151277985
Blame Leroyflation.
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>>151276139
Only thing they didn't show was the gay sex.
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>>151280015
Nips are just autistic in romantic things in general.
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>>151276139
Nice Jojo reference
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>>151276139
They wanted that fujomoney. That is why they put all that bait in this anime.
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>>151276139
You tell me.
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>>151280579
>They wanted that fujomoney. That is why they put all that bait in this anime.
So wait, they are actually straight?
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>>151276139
They're less than lovers, more than coach/pupil.
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>>151276139
It's both. The series is baiting fujo with their relationship but intentionally not delivering to set up a second season or some other continuation.
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Gay but Kubo backtracked at the last minute for S2.
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>>151281569
>Kubo backtracked at the last minute for S2.
She said they were straight?
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>>151281174
Theyre never going to be in a relationship with a girl so it doesn't really matter.
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>>151281584
She copped out of actually doing anything that would stop the 'are they gay' arguments.
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>>151281625
>She copped out of actually doing anything that would stop the 'are they gay' arguments.
>Implying they can ever be stopped

I think you can probably still find some internet rant on 3.0. trying to no homo Kaworu.
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>>151277985
Phichit got fucked over hard, but I think Otabek's the one that got cheated out the hardest.
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>>151281706
B-but Kaworu is an angel so it doesn't count!
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Yurio got gold.
Best boy literally won.
Absolutely crazy.
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>>151281174
>They are actually straight

No. Haru and Makoto are straight, Kumiko and Reina are straight. Yuri and Victor are fucking faggots.
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>>151282326
>Haru and Makoto
Bad example. The Frees are asexual
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theyre engaged and living together with a dog
You tell me m8
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>>151282401
They are as gay as the keions.
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>>151276139
They were gayer than the tards from Free
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>>151282729
The Frees are like ken dolls though.
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>>151281706
If she had made it so that there could be no homo arguments then truly she would have made history.
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>>151282861
Fujo scientists will always find a way.
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>>151282497
The dog will be dead in a year.
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>>151281584
She sequelbaited them.
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you tell me
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>>151284496
But are they straight?
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>>151284513
>they're practicing that
>yuuri accidentally slaps victor
>victor likes it
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>>151284667
They are just really close friends.
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>>151281706
Shinji is straight tho
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>>151284667
They are in ambiguity purgatory.
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>>151284798
>They are in ambiguity purgatory.
>Ambiguity
I'm not sure what straight men you know that act like them, but they must be interesting.
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>>151284667
They're most likely not straight but the answer will be in season 2 because that's how they can make the most money out of it.
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Best bros get matching rings all the time. Why, some even get fake weddings and spend the rest of their lives together as an elaborate prank.
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>>151276139
They were from the most disappointing ending of the season. Still bait.
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>>151276139
Straight as an arrow
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>>151277310
I am thankful for this scene for inspiring fujo artists for feeding my Yandere Victor fetish.
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>>151286100
>Still bait.
What does bait even mean at this point?

Because I'm completely lost.
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bait.

yurixyuri for s2 confirmed
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>>151277116
I can't wait for their bro marriage.
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>>151282008
yes. now he just needs gold in every event in every season, from now on
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>>151286280
It's not bait until they fuck onscreen. I supppse.
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>>151276139
Neither, it's shit.
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>>151276139
the best thing you can do for your bro, past sucking his dick or fucking him platonically or kissing him in public so that he knows you love him in a non-homo way, is buying bro rings that you can wear on your fingers to display your absolutely non-romantic commitment to each other to your friends and family.
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>>151285158
They never even said it was for marriage. You need to stop applying real logic to anime. Anime has dudes act gay all the time for fujo bait. Doesn't make it canon.
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>>151286664
they're not fucking acting gay. this is just a thing that men do when they share the deep bond between men that you, a woman, could never understand.
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i felt they were legit, though both are relationship idiots. as a sidenote, bless the writer of the stamina-fic and the anon who linked me, that was good shit.
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>>151286664
True, it wasn't for marriage. They're just engagement rings, as Victor explicitly confirmed. The receipt did confirm they're wedding rings but the wedding is for after the gold.
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Are we hijacking this thread?

Like JJ hijacked the bronze.
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>>151276139
It's a gay love story, writer said she wanted to create a romance where "genders didn't matter" right before the anime aired.
It's not bait, it's just that they blueballed us for s2

Anyway
>replying to this thread
sage
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>>151286420
No, I mean, I don't understand who are they baiting?

Do people think these characters are straight and fujoshit are idiot for thinking they are gay?
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>>151287242
Just see how the thread flows.
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>>151287242
Fucking leafs ruining everything, even anime.
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>>151287242
JJ getting the bronze was such an asspull.
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>>151286664
>Doesn't make it canon.
>YoI starts
>lol idiot fujo Yuri loves a woman, it will never be more than bait
>Yuury confessed on national TV
>lol dump fujo it was just bait, it's not their kiss or anything
>they kiss
>lol stupid fujo it was just a hug it's not like it ever be more than one time fanservice moment
>they exchange 650 wedding ring while blushing in a curch
>lol stupid fujo they were just lucky charm

I honestly don't know if I'm being trolled or what. I literally cannot understand anything anymore.

Someone explain it to me.
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>>151276139
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>>151287581
Lambiel is a terrible actor.
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>>151287242
JJ would wear Axe not Old Spice.
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>>151287644
JJ wears no scents beside his own sweat because none of them are JJ STYLE enough for him.

what an asshole.
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>>151286379
I can't wait for the bro consummation of their bro wedding.
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>>151287790
I bet he bottles it and sells it, then buys extras to help the sales figures. It's JJ style.
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>>151286703
Men can appreciate the eros of other men without it being gay.
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>>151286420
Kissu or bust.

But really, it's less ambiguous that they want the D, but more are they actually a committed couple that is staying together long term.

>>151287581
He's one of the cutest skaters ever but he can't act for shit.
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>>151286919
Thanks lad. Piggy gets the next turn.
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>>151287892
He doesn't even sell it as scent. he sells it as a high-class drink.
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Completely gay
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>>151287242
JJ needs to fuck off somewhere else during the second season, he almost ruined the last episode all by himself. And I say that as someone who started liking him in ep11.
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>>151288359
>JJ needs to fuck off somewhere else during the second season, he almost ruined the last episode all by himself. And I say that as someone who started liking him in ep11.
Egomaniac JJ was the best.

Episode 11-12 was terrible, like a completely different character.
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>>151287242
ITSS JJ STYRRUUUUU!!!!!!
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>>151288359
Nah JJ is boss. They had to nerf his character with "muh anxiety" and he still ends up in 3rd place.

The dude practically steam rolled all the tournaments up until this point.
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>>151289013
He was written that way and that's why he's shit.
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>>151288781
I was disappointed by episode 11-12 JJ too, him being an arrogant asshole and looking down on the other competitors made him entertaining. Him suddenly having a breakdown felt like they just wanted to have an easy way for Yuri/Yurio to get to the first places
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>>151289064
The breakdown was great though, it's a direct parallel to Yuuri choking last time but shows how different it can be for someone with self confidence, who's able to accept support from friends and fans.

Episode 12 was pants on head retarded, I have no idea why he placed. They should've let him perform decently enough because he could recover with a positive enough attitude (something Yuuri needs), but it should've fucked his chances at a medal. It should've shown that he didnt even need a medal to believe in himself after a low point.
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>>151287926
>But really, it's less ambiguous that they want the D, but more are they actually a committed couple that is staying together long term.

It feels like both of them worry that if either of them retires that they'll leave eachother. I don't know if there something else going on preventing from staying a relationship or their own anxiety. I doubt they'll address this in s2, who knows.
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I don't think Victor is gay but very hands on and flirty you could say.

I think him doing all that stuff made Yuuri happy which would make him perform better. I don't want to burst the VictorYuri fujo mob's bubble though.
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>>151289359
> I doubt they'll address this in s2, who knows.
They'd better, their relationship is the backbone of the series.
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>>151289433
Lelouch always pants on head retarded, Victor is most likely to be the legit homo in their relationship.
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Phichit: 193.83 only has one quad, stumbled at one jump
Chris: 188.32 turned a quad into a single
Otabek: 181.19 landed everything perfectly
EXPLAIN THIS REEEEEE
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>>151289194
It was a great scene I agree, but for me it still felt way too convenient (a little bit out of character from what we had seen from JJ) to suddenly have the top challenger choke like that. I know it could happen in real life sports but still felt like the easy way out to give the Yuris the victory to me
Would've probably not have as much trouble with the scene if he had crashed and burned though, having him mess up like that and give the third place over Otabek or even Chris was bullshit, yea
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>>151289433
If he's not gay, he's asexual because fujo shows don't allow girls with the main boys.
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>>151289639
Otacucks forever mad
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>>151289433
>Victor
>straight

What.
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>>151289359
>implying they'll address shit and won't keep stretching this for all its worth
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>>151289702
Weird how you always ignore when Chris or Phichit is brought up.
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Reminder that the only people who don't like THE KING are Redditors who are afraid of his alpha aura.
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>>151289433
You're always good for a laugh when it comes to homo, I guess your tolerance is refreshing but I can only imagine what your friendships with men are like in real life. There must be a lot of friendly no homo brojobs involved.
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>>151289767
He isn't really a king or alpha because they broke him down in episode 11. Since his break down was a waste of time, it would have better he actually remained an egomaniac.
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I am quite annoyed on anime like this who doesn't want outright say this is a shounen-ai or yaoi anime, because the creators know if they put a label like that then your normal anime fan won't even bother to watch it at all.

This isn't even like Samurai Flamenco where you can say the MC doesn't know about romantic love, this is outright obvious yet the creator won't even admit it.
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>>151289766
Because Otacucks always mention how perfect he was
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>>151289943
Not really. Why are you butthurt over nothing?
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>>151289194
>The breakdown was great though, it's a direct parallel to Yuuri choking last time but shows how different it can be for someone with self confidence, who's able to accept support from friends and fans.
But it makes no sense.

He's a veteran who won shitons of gold.
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>>151289899
They shouldn't have to 'admit' or label it, people should just stop being retarded about gay relationships and accept what's being shown to them in the same way they would for straight relationships. I wish the staff would stop letting people no homo it but it's not like they haven't put plenty of effort into making it blatant homo.
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>>151290042
>veteran

He's only 19.
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>>151290042
He was at fucking worlds, he choked because it was an asspull, but it was a bigger asspull he getting the bronze anyway
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>>151290073
Don't you start like around 15?

Certainly no greenhorn. Either way he competed against Victor/God last season, already won gold (more than once?) so him going all Yuuri when his defining characteristic was his MASSIVE ego with 0 self reflection was bananas.
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I'm surprised anyone can doubt it after that pair skate, they really should have translated the song.
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>>151290042
He's 4 years younger than Yuuri, how is he a veteran? And that's how sports are, sometimes the pressure just gets to you and you fuck up. It really doesn't need any more justification than that, there's no reason to say Yuuri can struggle with it but nobody else can.
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>>151290207
>I'm surprised anyone can doubt it after that pair skate, they really should have translated the song.
I'm not, people doubt even mouth to mouth kisses.
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>>151290207
I want them to compete as an ice dance team
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>>151290065
You must have missed on how even straight relationships can be ambiguous on whether they are intended to be romantic or not by creators, like Lelouch and C.C, Shinji and Misato.

It's not that hard to just admit "Yes, they are in a romantic relationship" instead of going "Well, he was his support....' and not admitting to it at all.
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>>151289837
>Balls touch on screen
>Lelouch: BUT IT'S JUST FRIENDSHIP
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>>151290215
Thinking about it Yuuri has been in the senior division for 7 years now if he debuted at 16.
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>>151290215
>He's 4 years younger than Yuuri, how is he a veteran? And that's how sports are, sometimes the pressure just gets to you and you fuck up. It really doesn't need any more justification than that, there's no reason to say Yuuri can struggle with it but nobody else can.
It's just very hard to justify a character who fought against Victor getting cold feet against 2 new entries and a bunch of losers he already knew.
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>>151290324
8 years, I can't into math.
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>>151290335
And it's hard to justify Japan's ace totally bombing out of sheer nerves, but that's the entire premise of the story. Stop being so desperate to call asspull on things that are easily within the realm of believability, it served it's purpose narratively until they decided to give him a medal. That's the real asspull.
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>>151290428
I didn't even call it an asspull.

Just bad writing. Egomanic JJ was much more refreshing and better character to me.
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>>151290428
>it's hard to justify Japan's ace totally bombing out of sheer nerves
Yuri has been established as having massive anxiety issues since the beginning, something JJ doesn't have.
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>>151290335
The thing with Victor is that you knew he'd be getting the gold, there might actually be less pressure. Whereas now that he stepped off for the season, there's probably more pressure on JJ because gold is now a possibility. Just something to consider.
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>>151290481
His egomaniac persona was pointless beyond minor entertainment value. He served no purpose until he was used to contrast Yuuri in that breakdown, and it was the only good writing that went into his character.
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>>151290500
>Yuri has been established as having massive anxiety issues since the beginning, something JJ doesn't have.
Not him, but they also established every skater is a super-talent so it's hard to imagine him not pissing himself during his dark days and just drop after the fist tournament.
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>>151290550
>His egomaniac persona was pointless beyond minor entertainment value
Which it's better than 3 minutes of awful, out of nowhere drama about pressure.

This is like trying to give everyone a sad backstory.
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>>151290500
Nerves are a pretty universal problem, they aren't exclusive to people with long term anxiety issues and can pop up in people who dont typically experience them if they're thrown off balance. JJ had the added pressure of marriage and seeing people kill it before him.
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This is all just normal bro stuff. Not gay.
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>>151277040
>>151277116
You clearly don't understand how homobait in anime works.
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>>151290700
Just bro-dancing
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>>151290691
I know that. I'm just saying that it's very easy to justify Yuri bombing because of sheer nerves, because we know that he struggles with nerves and anxiety more than a normal person would.
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>>151290700
This was better than pair skating.
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Clannad main characters had less intimacy in S1 than Victor and Yuri but everyone knew they liked each other.
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>>151290749
>how homobait in anime works.
Yeah, and so do you. Calling everything "homobait" is starting to make you look retarded.

Go watch Kuroko plays with his ball or latest shounen jump escapade to see what actual homobait looks like.
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>>151290749
Bait usually leaves an opening for the character to be straight, there's none of that here. Yuuri's out was killed in the first episode once the triplets popped up and Victor had been in love with him since before the show started.
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>>151276139
Of course.
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>>151289639
Rotoscoped shit.
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Why would anyone fall in love with a stumbling drunk?
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>>151290700
We get it, you're from tumblr
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>>151291113
Because otherwise we wouldn't have a plot
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>>151291113
Because.
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>>151291113
He has a nice ass
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I find it hilarious how YoIfags are defending the ambiguous ending now. A few weeks ago they were praising Kubo for "making history" and showing a gay marriage.
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>>151289639
It was explained. He had 0 originality, everything was text book like.
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>>151291422
But Ciao ciao said he has originality.
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>>151291379
I ain't defending it. I am settling like ancient europeans on north american soil.
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Only thing wrong with JJ is him placed 3rd ,not otabek or chris
้His anxiety have been establish bc he feel threatened by otabek's performance
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>>151291379
Everyone not deluded didn't expect marriage at all.
I got my pair skating, It just needed more minutes and it being complete, nothing more.
Kubo did indeed make history
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>>151276139
I don't even watch this anime but aren't they ice skaters?

Then yeah they're flaming homos.
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>>151291379
Pair skate to a duet about the romantic love between two men is not ambiguous to me. Nor that scene where Victor was hardcore sexual teasing Yuuri. That's me though. Not everyone is completely happy because they expected way too much and now we have s2 to worry about.
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>>151291422
You got it wrong. Victor said he was exotic and refreshing in the previous episode.
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>>151291379
YoI made history, no doubt about it.
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>>151291555
Don't be deluded, it's straight
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>>151291113
My mom did.
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>>151289639
His music choice was amazing.
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>>151291693
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>>151291693
And nothing good came from that
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>>151291590
With them making a sequel there was no way they'd cement things right now anyway, we're only at the midpoint. If we weren't getting a continuation I could see people getting upset but it's like wanting the climax during the intermission.
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>>151291666
Why should I believe you, satan?
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>>151291666
Satan, please.
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If Makkachin dies and they get another poodle, will it be named Yuuchan?
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>>151291762
I know.
Can I live with you anon?
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>>151291472
>>151291610
I still think people will remember better about most of the other contestants programs. They are all monsters, but he is very academic. The choreography between the jumps was limit minimal to my eyes.
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>>151291919
It'll be named Yurio
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>>151291919
It'll be named Victory.
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>>151291698
But it's not his personal signature. I don't see how it's original. JJ on the other hand. Nobody could skate on his song.
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>>151291945
It's in the show and not some made up headcanon.
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>>151276139
bait. They played everyone like fiddle, and got that sweet fujo money.
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There's no excuse for Otabek's score
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>>151292068
Bad writing is one.
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>>151292053
Anon pls
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>>151292016
The show is still inspired by real skating. You need to see more of real performances. Judges never appreciate text book skating. That's why Medo chan is getting better scores than Yuna Kim ever did.
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>>151292116
What are you on? You said he is text book like but it's canon that he isn't. Are you saying Ciao Ciao and Victor are idiots?

Take Chris for example, many complained that he was creep and, not sexy but in the show itself he's sensual and maturely erotic.
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>>151291945
I agree. All the other skaters choreographies were certainly way more complicated. Landing your jumps isn't enough.
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>>151292225
Well Victor is an idiot.
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>>151292091
sorry
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>>151292247
Victor is a living legend and genius ice skater.
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>>151289639
Otabike can't dance. Fairy will teach him next season.
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>>151292225
I just watched his steps between the jumps. Why don't do do that? Because these are canon, and another thing that is canon is his score. If he landed all his jumps, what remains? What was badly scored?

And don't make me laugh about Ciaociao. He was the worst coach ever. Look at Yuuri's state when the story starts. He's the last one you should trust the opinion.
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I'm mad and confused about the constant "JJ robbed Otabek of his medal!!!" and the lack of care about Chris dropping to FIFTH. How is everyone so mad about Otabek and so few people realize the inconsistent writing mostly affected Chris?
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>>151291992
>But it's not his personal signature.
How? I think it fits very well with the kind of character they are going for with Otabek. Pretty sure the lyrics in his Symphony No.9 are related to his personality too but I can't hear them clearly enough.

>JJ on the other hand. Nobody could skate on his song.
That's because everyone would laugh while trying.
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>>151292341
You missed the previous threads.
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>>151292341
Chris choked. This is an uncommon problem for him. But this time it was just too much at once for him to handle.
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I don't know much about ice skating but can you actually be good without ballet lessons?
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>>151292360
When I say it's not his personbal signature, it means that anyone could come up with such program. And in fact, similar ones are literally filling every IRL competition. The song was great, but the performance was boring.
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>>151292341
Both serious threats had to choke to have Yuuri and Yuri win, that's just how it is
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>>151292340
>the entire post

Any further discussion is impossible.
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>>151292364
I'm caught up on threads. There's a couple anons pointing it out but an overwhelming "Otabek deserved to medal!" since the episode aired.

>>151292378
> Chris choked. This is an uncommon problem for him.
That's a major writing issue that I don't see being discussed enough. Again, overwhelming talk about Otabek/JJ and barely anyone commenting on Chris, let's not even mention Phichit.
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>>151292341
Most of us know it's shit writing. Anyone defending it is retarded.
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It was so fun until episode 11, what the hell MAPPA.
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>>151276139
Like every other anime. The homo is real but the relationship is bait.
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>>151292448
I think most accepted and expected Phichit to place last or even before JJ chocked.
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Daily dose of Blau.
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>>151292360
>>JJ on the other hand. Nobody could skate on his song.
>That's because everyone would laugh while trying.
OK, let's take another example. Could anyone skate on 'Yuri on Ice'? No, because it's the story of his skating life. That's personal, it's his signature. You know nothing about Otabek while watching him skate, other than he can jump.

Look at Plushenko, would anyone be able to imitate him? Or Yuzuru? That's originality, that's uniqueness. A lot of YoI characters are close to their level, but Otabek is still behind a lot of them. I personally think he needs to evolve a lot from there. That's why I have great expectations for S2, others than the 'love' side of the story.
He says himself that he's been working hard to get to a level where he can offer something the others can't. He still has to convince the judges.

I don't give a fuck about Ciaociao's opinion.
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>>151292499
'Main couple can't get together fully until the end' is terrible and needs to die.
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>>151292499
Nah still went further than most anime.
Even for het couples.
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>>151292340
>And don't make me laugh about Ciaociao. He was the worst coach ever. Look at Yuuri's state when the story starts. He's the last one you should trust the opinion.
I agree with you. Him simply saying this don't mean that he's right.
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>>151292499
This is a great way of putting it. If they weren't in an anime they'd be together by now, but unfortunately, they have to continue with contrived suffering and separation for our viewership.
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>>151292654
>ook at Plushenko, would anyone be able to imitate him? Or Yuzuru? That's originality, that's uniqueness. A lot of YoI characters are close to their level, but Otabek is still behind a lot of them. I personally think he needs to evolve a lot from there. That's why I have great expectations for S2, others than the 'love' side of the story.
>He says himself that he's been working hard to get to a level where he can offer something the others can't. He still has to convince the judges.
>I don't give a fuck about Ciaociao's opinion.

Don't bring your headcanons into discussion please.
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>>151290550
>He served no purpose until he was used to contrast Yuuri in that breakdown, and it was the only good writing that went into his character.

Except that almost all the contestants changed their whole program around to beat him. He was a force to be reckoned with.

Whether you like it or not he was set up to be the big challenge. That was his role. He was already a contrast to yuri before he jobbed.

And his sudden anxiety made no sense. He already beat most of these guys in other competitions. Yuri's anxiety came from the fact that he felt like he didn't belong. Dude always calls himself an average skater and even though he was the top Jap representative.

JJ on the other hand has not placed below 1st. Where the hell is this nervousness coming from? I mean, sure, he could miss a couple of quads from jitters but the character they showed up until this point would easily bounce back from that, instead he preforms the worst. Essentially they nerferd the only real threat, and final antagonist, to both the yuries. they destroyed any semblance of hype and threat in their story. As a sports anime they totally shat the bed with that move.
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>>151292387
The lack of flexibility and graceful movements is problematic.
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>>151292225
>Are you saying Ciao Ciao and Victor are idiots?
The real pro judges here are the ones who give the scores.
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>>151292667
I don't necessarily disagree but even western media does this because they know it's the journey toward that culmination that keeps people interested. People sadly get sick of established pairings too easily, so they usually just reserve that for supporting characters. Or once they get fully established early on they break up in the end or give them tons of drama to keep interest.
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>>151292738
You don't have to discredit characters just to defend ass-pulls. The writing was just shit.
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>>151292360
>Pretty sure the lyrics in his Symphony No.9 are related to his personality too but I can't hear them clearly enough.
So you don't even know. At least others have the 'canon' argument to oppose. I don't see any reason to continue this conversation on these bases.
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>>151292413
Yeah I agree, compared to the others it was boring. But I guess the fact that originality > perfect jumps is hard to accept for Otabikes, which is kind of understandable.
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>>151292431
Well I agree. I'll just wait for S2 to prove my point by making him evolve for some 'canon' reason and get better scores.
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>>151292667
The entire episode feels like a rewrite anyway, why they couldn't make a sequel bait with Yuuri winning gold, regaining his love for skating and confirming his relationship with Victor? fucking Japan. The only good thing out of it was Yurio winning gold.
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>>151292701
We should make a club. The Anti Ciaciao Club.
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>>151292863
Forgot to mention the worse offender: why Victor fucking needs to go back to skating? it's pointless. They basically rewrote what they had in mind for him.
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DOUJINS WHEN?
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>>151292863
They needed Victor not wanting to kiss his medal in there I guess.
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>>151292807
Calm down, I didn't even try to start an argument, I just said his music is nice.
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>>151292883
>why Victor fucking needs to go back to skating?
muh Yuuri
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>>151292378
But why? It's so stupid and contrived. We're supposed to believe that he suddenly becomes handicapped out of jealousy in the middle of his most important performance, when he's been totally chill everywhere else?
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>>151292654
I see your point. Most people here took interest in ice skating because of this show, but they're far from being fans like Kubo. They're all newfags when it comes to skating appreciation.
They like Otabek, they love him being with Fairy, and their opinion about his performance is only subjective at this point.
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>>151292880
I wanted to blame Ciao Ciao but I think Phichit himself said can't land quads like Chris and Yuuri and that's probably why his program had such low difficulty
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>>151292883
>why Victor fucking needs to go back to skating
For Victor vs Yuri in the finals.
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>>151292939
I'm going to be honest I was just trying to make a blowjob joke.
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>>151292654
I like the way you think plus it's better for the show's future too.
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>>151292863
Your fault for thinking japan is capable of good endings.
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>>151292883
Fucking this. I could've overlooked everything else if it weren't for that one line in the gala about his comeback.
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>>151276139
So is this the most homo series without actual kissing or sex?
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>>151292701
At last someone who understands where the limits of 'canon' are.
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>>151292939
Yeah I hated what they did to Chris. It was a shit move.
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>>151292863
They wanted to keep Baldfat as MCs in the next season, that's why. You know what that means. They couldn't do a sequel with only Yurio (like I was hoping so they could do a more conclusive ending for this season) as the MC because they know Baldfat is the main driving force of the show so he wouldn't be able to carry it on his own.

I had this feeling this would happen as soon as they expressed interest in making another season while this was airing. This is still a TV show and anime, after all.
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>>151292936
He already had all the time with Yuuri before, if anything he's stupid because he's going to spend less time with him just to train more.
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>>151293026
They kiss, as well as on the skates and hands, so no. But it is a pretty blatantly homo series.
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>>151293058
They can still be the MCs without shitting on the characters.
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>>151292983
Well, thanks for making me laugh even though I'm still mad.
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>>151292616
Thanks doc, got some more?
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>>151293067
Not defending it but they're training together.
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>>151291666
It's not straight but it's also no entirely gay. It's no different from other yaoi/yuribait shows but people seem to think otherwise.
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>>151293107
Stuff like Yuuri winning gold means that they wouldn't have much to go on in the sequel because Yuuri already attained the/his ultimate goal. I'm not defending what they did, just explaining.
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>>151292738
It's quite obvious why people think Victor and Ciaociao's opinions are God's words. They don't know the judges and don't love them as characters. But it's a fucking competition, it has nothing to do with what you think of the judges. They are the real pros here.
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>>151292838
I just hope his fans will see him evolve and learn that he can do much, MUCH better than that. I'm sure he's only at the beginning of his trip to the Gold medal.
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>>151293271
Watch the show, anon. Their feelings for each other are already defined as ai/love and eros. The problem people have with it is not making them as fully established as possible.
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>>151293302
The judges are not even characters. Again, you don't have to discredit characters to defend shit writing.
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>>151293067
He's doing it because Yuuri wants to see him skate again, it's what he decided he'd give him. They'll be living and training together, they'll still be spending most of their hours together. It'll probably just be for a season, likely until Yuuri gets gold and beats him.
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>>151292801
It's not me who had the nerve to say JJ bought the judges or the judges eyes were full of shit and it was 'so unfair'.

I'm the one analyzing what the episode showed and comparing with the other skaters performances plus taking in count IRL skating like Kubo herself does.
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>>151276139
They're bisexual.
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>>151293431
So you think Chris's jealousy in the middle of his performance and JJ's anxiety out of nowhere is good writing? Kubo is a terrible writer.
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>>151293431
JJ getting bronze obviously made sense from a real life perspective given the content of his program, it was just a pointless narrative decision.
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>>151293375
You watch more shows, anon. Confessing their love doesn't necessarily mean romantic love in bait anime such as YoI.
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>>151292883
Why don't you think it was Kubo's intention from the beginning? Victor never said that he wanted to quit, He said he felt like he has a 'Shackle around his neck' and was searching for a way to get free and evolve further.
He never, ever said he wanted to quite. And that would be so out of character too. He obviously wished he could skate and participate too watching the other skaters performances.
That's why Yuuri decided to 'release' him from being his coach. He understood what Victor was needing the most without even for words to be said.

God Kubo is a genius.
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>>151287581
Stephan Lambiel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=412SfYbCLMg
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>>151292914
Sorry for my tone. I think that we need these lyrics if we want to use them for any argumentation. How comes nobody has found them yet?
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>>151293526
It's not bait like your show because they don't shut it down with surprise straight love interests. And the writer already wanted to write a non-het show.

That's not including the whole eros narrative and them wanting to "seduce" each other.
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>>151293617
The lyrics are here, I haven't seen a translation yet though.
http://www.uta-net.com/song/221142/
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>>151293525
Really? I thought JJ getting bronze made sense writing-wise. In comparison to the other skaters, if the two Yuris had to medal it would be between him and Chris to get the third medal.
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>>151293526
>Kumiko and Reina
>Reina always declared her love for Taki-sensei
>Once Shuichi appears he gets more hyped by Kyoani with Kumiko than all the screentime she had with Reina
Indeed they are the actual example of non-romantic love, or a love without compromise. It's different from Yuri on Ice though because Victor never had other romantic interests presented in the show and Yuuri childhood love was crushed in the middle of the first episode with the girl having triplets, aka lost forever.
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>>151293710
The medal should have been Chris's, they fucked him over and gave it to that faggot JJ.
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>>151292947
On the positive side, it shows this show's greatness. It's like every contestant managed to grab someone's heart, in only 12 episodes.
It's T&B all over again, except this time we're getting S2. A fucking miracle.
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>>151293617
>>151293683
Ok, I'll translate it, just give me a few minutes.
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>>151281584
No, they aren't straight. They are both faggots, but whether they are or not in a romantic relationship or get married isn't 100% confirmed because muh sequel.
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>>151293758
>Yuuri childhood love
I'm not even sure about this anymore, what with his feelings being officially described as admiration and not much indication of more.
Though that whole scene in ep1 was fucking hilarious, it was like reverse bait. Het-baiting.
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>They don't kiss on-screen, only "confirmed" on Twitter
>They don't get married as many anons kept saying they would
>Had many chances to fuck but never did
>The aura between Yuuri and Victor is more playful than romantic

It's impossible for me to believe this isn't a yaoibait show when none of these two really have any sexual urges in the show. This isn't treating their relationship as a realistic representation of homo pairings, this is just being ambiguous for the sake of milking the franchise and having 10 seasons of "will they won't they".
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>>151289433
Victor's based on a gay man, idiot.
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>>151292863
WTF. This would have been so boring and predictable.
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>>151293710

It would have made sense if he hadn't fucked up his SP so completely (and he was obviously overscored on that anyway). But writing-wise it never made sense - his failure but refusal to give up in his SP finally made him alikeable character, letting him medal after that undid it. Especially when other characters like Chris and Otabek did well in both their programs.
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>>151293837
>these two really have any sexual urges in the show.
Literally confirmed for not watching
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>>151293824
>>151293758
For the record, Yuuri's described his feelings for Yuuko and Victor with the exact same label. Before meeting Victor.
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>>151293067
They will train together.
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>>151293837
have you seen their eros? there is literally no way they weren't fucking. it doesn't have to be any more spelled out than the two beds pushed together.
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They're obviously gay and in love with each other, what's shit is that they're obviously still not in a relatonship with each other, and it makes no sense.
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>>151293769
Honestly, if I had to kick anyone out from the medal it would be Yuri. The ideal finalists from a purely narrative standout would be:

No S2:
Yuuri
Chris
JJ or Yurio

Yes S2:
Chris
Yuuri
JJ or Yurio

Neither Otabek nor Phichit have enough character to warrant them getting a special standing at the end of the show. They're both so flat/one dimensional that in comparison to the rest of the main cast, they're unfortunate obvious add ons (Phichit to Yuuri, Otabek to Yurio).

Yuuri obviously needs to medal being a protagonist, which we got. JJ or Yurio can be up in the standings because they play similar roles, the "younger talented prodigy" role. Yurio would edge out JJ in no S2 because he's one of the main three but a greenlit S2 should have JJ edge out Yurio to have a good setting for a continuous competitive rivalry among the younger talented skaters.

It's really Chris who got unfairly knocked out. As the person who has been described as the "slow starter", always second to Victor and showed as the biggest threat from the first major tournament, Chris can be seen as the best "antagonist" against Yuuri if there is one in this show. Writing-wise, he really should be in the Top Three, and specifically Silver or Gold.
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>>151293932

I thought that before episode 12, but 12 just made it seem obvious to me they're not fucking or in a relationship yet.
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>>151293824
>she's my idol
>she's still so cute
>up pop her three kids and husband

It was a nice troll.
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>>151293377
They are secondary characters. Plus they are certainly inspired from real people. Everything in his show is more than it looks it is.
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>>151276139
Gay as fuck, but it's bait because can't have two actual homos get together.
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>>151293977
And then it turns out she's married to the fucking guy who bullied him when they were kids

I kek every time
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>>151293924
If only he knew he had humped Victor's leg.
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>yuri on ice
>it's actually yaoi
defend this.
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>>151293977
And with his childhood "bully" (Nishigori is really nice now, he actually cried with Yuuri's perfect FS)
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>>151293960

Same. I love Yurio, but from a narrative perspective I'm really surprised he got gold. Unless they're setting him up for difficulties/failure in s2.
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>>151293986
The judges don't even have designs, how can you even call them characters or say they're inspired by real people.
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>>151294015
pls no more my liver can't take it
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>>151293924
Victor was his idol, so yeah. He personally knew Yuuko for years though.
If only he had remembered the banquet.
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>>151294015
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>>151293515
I was hilarious and excellent writing.
Try to yell an insult at a skater or get the whole public to boo them and see if they don't react. Chris is obsessed by Victor, it's not new. And JJ always overdoes it so it was only normal that he would break at one point. Don't underestimate the amounts of stress these competitors are under. The tiniest things can be like the sand in the machinery.
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>>151294006
And he rhinks Yuuri is hot.
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>>151293960
I don't even really understand what the point was of establishing Chris's thing of starting slowly and peaking for the final was if they were just going to forget about it.
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>>151293932
Not yet, Victor sure wants to though. Poor Victor, Yuuri has been seducing him for 8 months and he still hasn't gotten any. Maybe he got him drunk at the banquet and finally got laid.
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>>151293976
They can't fuck during competition. Wouldn't be surprised if they fucked after the GPF though if that "excite me" scene is any indication and certainly now that they'll be living alone together in Victor's apartment in Russia
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>>151294123
>Date rape
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>>151294091
No it's was shoddy work. Chris has been portrayed a chill friend to Victor and JJ was never shown to overdo anything, it all came out of nowhere.
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>>151294123
If Viktor had let him retire they could have fucked way more often without having to worry about competitions and training. He clearly isn't too concerned about it.
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>>151293547
>'Shackle around his neck'
Wasn't it a rope strangling him? I saw people freak out because they thought skating was killing him?
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>>151294019
He'll be getting his growth spurt soon which will pose a problem, Yuuri will also be a big challenge if his head is screwed on right. Yuuri can pull off Victor's level of difficulty while Yurio still has trouble.
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>>151294123
So, what he was thinking about?
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>>151294242
Katsudon
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>>151294242
Lewd thoughts, Victor's knee was literally in between his legs. And he was doing that aroused voice too.
Victor's line seemed to imply he was getting a boner or something.
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>>151294163
What if they're both drunk?
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>>151294215
It's just impractical to fuck during competition, but it still happens between athletes.
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>>151294281
Or he wanted Yuuri to do something to give him one.
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Why don't you smell like your husbando, yet?
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>>151293683

It's time
Get up, on the groin
The curtain rises
Open your eyes
And shines bright light
Start your round, tight time coming soon

Dance like the wind
Jump up without limit
Run quickly like horses
Smooth as the snake
And grasp the beauty of the power of the ice

Soul dances with full joy of life
Voice paints radiant dream on the sky
Sing a new song

Behold, hear what your heart says
Show your own sound, the new sound

O, see, the darkness
(In the deep dark forest)
Is a heart of the earth
(He beats resting rhythm)
Rhythm strikes life on earth
(Earth tone louder)

Light a small fire
(A little hope)
Turn on, fire the courage

Get up, get started,
Open your eyes,
It's the time

Grab the whole world
Open your eyes
And shines bright light
Start your round, tight time coming soon

Dance like the wind
Jump up without limit
Run quickly like horses
Smooth as the snake
And grasp the beauty of the power of the ice

Soul dances with full joy of life
Voice paints radiant dream on the sky
Sing a new song
Dance, jump, run, sing, times
Your trail on white ground
Victory awaits you

(Google translate was surprisingly good)
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>>151293837
>having 10 seasons of "will they won't they".
That's definitely what they're doing but it isn't fujobaiting, that's just regular relationship bait to keep fans hooked. It happens with het romance all the time because once the couple is together, the tension is gone and people lose interest.
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>>151293795
>isn't 100% confirmed because muh sequel.
Isn't 100% confirmed because none of them is obviously mentally ready.
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>>151294242
Biktoru's big white cock
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>>151294481
I hate that, establishd relationships are great.
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>>151294374
I will buy the Victor perfume and spray it on my pillow and hump it every night
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>>151290207
Let me tell you a secret: performances aren't real. When an actor is playing a gay character doesn't mean he actually likes dudes. Same with skating. Just because two skaters skate together doesn't mean they're lovers.
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>>151294512
Yuuri and Victor are both inexperienced with love, but you gotta start somewhere.
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>>151276139
They're definitely gay, and it will be officially confirmed at the end of season 4, once the series has been milked for all it's worth. Keep buying the BDs chumps
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>>151294567
This is true and if it really is referenced from Virtue/Moir those two aren't a couple either. But they are fucking leafs
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>>151294238
Fetters was the actual japanese I think
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I just realized that the presenter always said "Katsuki Yuuri" and for the others they said their First Name, Last name.

"Victor Nikiforov"
"Yuri Plisetski"
Etc.
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>>151294567
Is it? When it's already established the characters express their true feelings on the ice? Or that they're skating to a love song that brought them together in the first place and is established narratively as being about them? This is some reaching.
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*makes out with you, dates you, and spends the rest of my life with you*

no homo
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>>151294617
Because the announcer nip perhaps.
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>>151294617
He's called Yuri Katsuki by announcers a few times. Only that japanese commentator guy usually calls him the Japanese way.
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>>151293837
>these two really have any sexual urges in the show
You can have sexual urges without giving into them. That's called not being a rapist.
Plus they aren't teenagers who think with their hormones.
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>>151292726
You are forgetting that this is the first time JJ has been the overwhelming favorite. It's one thing to kill it in the prelims, it's another thing for big dance.

He reminds me of Patrick Chan, really. Dude would kill in the small events, but fucking choke in the larger ones.
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>>151294541
Needs sweat and hot breath and would be perfect.
Bonus points for the light gone from his eyes and heavy blush.
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>>151294567

They're engaged and living together with a dog. Nigga they gay.

Also the gold medal scene. They fucked so hard after that they destroyed the hotel room.
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>>151294559
I agree, especially when the romance is just a subplot. But I'm not surprised they're being cautious, this is uncharted territory and Baldfat are very popular, they would not want to risk them losing their novelty. And an established relationship makes it harder to synch their development with the skating, because Yuuri's success has always hinged on getting closer to Victor.
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>>151294685
I don't even know how people can doubt this anyway when their relationship is displayed as something erotic. Like when Victor pretty much whispers to Yuuri he got aroused by his performance in ep6, whistles at him in ep3, constantly telling him to seduce him as much as possible, and Yuuri thinking that Victor is hot and that his skating is also "eros". And blushing, pupils dilating, and humping on each other when drunk.

They got sexual urges all right.
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>>151294460
Nice, thank you. It does suit Otabek, fits his quiet determination sort of personality.
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>>151294704
delet
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>>151293547
>Why don't you think it was Kubo's intention from the beginning? Victor never said that he wanted to quit, He said he felt like he has a 'Shackle around his neck' and was searching for a way to get free and evolve further.
I think Episode 10 was that he doesn't prioritize skating above love and life anymore. Victor would have been pretty happy just being Yuuri's coach and being by his side as long Yuuri skates though. But he started to get disenchanted with skating because he has to give it his all to reinvent himself and surprise the crowd. That would created a lot of pressure and it lead to its natural conclusion that the reinvention won't work because everyone expects it. Now Yuuri is his main priority, it will probably change things for him.

I still think retirement would have been a better route for Victor, especially when he wants to coach Yuuri still. He seems to only going back for Yuuri anyway.
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>>151294704
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>>151276139
Does a bear shit in the woods?
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>>151294857
The entire meta narrative of eros is literally seduction, there's undeniably a sexual dynamic between them.
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>>151292736
Obatek doesn't do ballet, maybe that's why he looks a bit stiff.
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>>151293824
Nah, Yuuri was crushing on both Yuuko and Victor growing up. That's why Victor was pretty prominent in Yuuri's memories of Yuuko and his unrequited crush on her.
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>>151293940
What would be senseless would be to get them to fuck in the middle of a competition despite both knowing they already have their own share of unresolved struggles.
They are pros and adults, the competition's results will dictate both their futures as skaters or coach/skater. They are already together and know they don't need to hurry up love plus that it's not even the right time for that.

It's not a college slice of life with teenage MCs who only have their homework to think about.
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>>151295025
I don't know, but they fuck Fairies.
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>>151276914
I'm just gonna say I could make a collage out of Hibike that looks just as gay as this and yet the show was still bait.
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>>151295068

I'm not even talking about fucking, they literally don't seem to be in an actual relationship.

> They are already together

Are they though?
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>>151294242
>Hesgonnakissmehesgonnakissmehesgonnakissmehyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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>>151294099
Probably showing that he's getting too old for this shit, but his routines wouldn't have beaten out JJ, Fairy or Yuuri's anyway. JJ had the hardest FP and Yuuri has the hardest SP (although JJ could have easily made the hardest FP too if he was all MUH MUSIC COLLAB. Yurio's Agape and Allegro Apassionato were difficult as well although his score for his Agape didn't make any sense, but whatever.
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>>151294281
>Victor's knee was literally in between his legs
My God you're right! I didn't even realize.
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>>151295130
You'd still be ignoring those scenes in context though.
Victor's flirting and teasing of Yuuri early on actually has meaning because he became attracted to Yuuri before the show started, making those legitimate attempts at seduction.

Stop fucking comparing Hibike to YoI
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>>151294374
I want all of them. I'm gonna get all of them. This is why why I'm working 13 hours by day since last month.
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>>151294567
They don't need to especially pair with a man.
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>>151295224
People forget that Victor has been DTF with Yuuri since the first night at Hasetsu. If things went the way that Victor thought it would have gone if Yuuri was really that semen demon at the banquet, they would have fucked on the first night.
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>>151294979
He'll likely give Yuuri one season and then call it quits when Yuuri wins gold over him, then keep coaching Yuuri for another 4 years until Yuuri retires.
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>>151294567
So they would be the only ones in the whole show not to express their feelings on the ice? While being the MCs? You're funny.
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>>151295130
Nice, but don't forget to add the moments Reina flat out talks about loving Taki-sensei or Shuichi being in love with Kumiko and the screentime they have together always shows them being more interested in each other.
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>>151294614
Now I understand all these people getting Victor's personality wrong and calling out of character bad writing. It was a fail translation from the beginning. I wish they would pedal back instead of keeping on forcing their erroneous impressions on the other fans.

Skating was never killing Victor.
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>>151295191
I know people like to push the "skaters become old and busted as soon as they hit their 20s" meme, but 25 isn't actually that old to be competing.
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>>151294172
sure chris was chill but he always hinted at wanting to beat victor someday. and ofc jj is the ham of this series with writing his own performance song and always thinking he's the fucking best. his breaking point was inevitable and well timed desu
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>>151276139
I don't like yaoi but they have a cute and pure relationship. I like how the anime ended, Victor recoverred his pasion thanks to Yuuri and that's how a healthy relationship must be.

Do not despair and wait, it will worth it. Until next season.
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I don't know why people compare Kumiko and Reina with Yuri and Victor, it's completely different, a couple like Izetta and Fine is way more similar this season.
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>>151295521
There's no practical difference between the rope metaphor and the shackles metaphor. It still would have made for a far better and more poignant story if they'd gone the retirement route and finally let him live his life for himself.
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>>151295191
Speaking of Agape, I found the lyrics and thought I'd post a translation I whipped up.
For the life of me, though, I could not think of how to translate "nobis, grandis clara nosque curabit" decently.


Sic mea vita est temporaria, cupit
ardenter caritatem aeternam

Credam, dabo, sperabo, honorabo,
laborabo, gratias agam!

Et denique aperiens fores occultas,
nobis, grandis et clara nosque curabit
nobis, grandis et clara nosque curabit

magna magna, caritas
Ah! Audio vocem tuam!
Adest mi libertas!

Mea vita amabit, caritatis pacem.
Hanc felicitatem aeternam esse oro.

--

Since my life is temporary,
it ardently desires an eternal love.

I will trust, I will give, I will hope, I will honor,
I will labor, I will give thanks!

And at last opening hidden doors,
For us (it will be) mature and honorable and it will take care of us,
For us (it will be) mature and honorable and it will take care of us.

Great, great love,
I hear your call!
My freedom is at hand!

My life will cherish the peace of love.
I pray this happiness will be eternal.
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>>151294857
I suppose they want to see Yuuri as more stoic than he really is, because it is the japanese male's stereotype. It's hard to fight these and having been liking yaoi with its own sterotypes for years too doesn't help.
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>>151295583
Which has nothing to do with being jealous out of nowhere and chocking when nothing was establish for the character. Shit writing is shit.
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>>151295521

You do realise fetters are not pleasant things.
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>>151295130
Have they ever kissed? Serious question, I know jack shit about Hibikek but Baldfat have kissed on the lips, hand, wedding ring and foot so far.
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>>151295583
Obviously Chris was established to have issues with Victor, the point is that him suddenly being badly affected by it in the middle of his performance in particular was contrived as hell. Skaters don't have the time to be paying attention to what's going on outside of the rink when they're performing in competition in the first place.
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>>151295541
It's usually the age of retirement unless you are a prodigy like Plushenko and shit. Don't like skaters like Adam Rippon fool you.
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>>151295720
Never
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>>151294979
I think what Victor was tired with wasn't skating itself, but the fact that he couldn't find anything to express through skating anymore.
Without love and a private life, what were his Muses, anyway, except his love for skating?That's why he couldn't surprise people anymore.

Thanks to the unexpected effects his temporary coaching had on his surroundings and own life, he found that new material he was searching for. He was fascinated by the other skaters performances because he felt he had something to express on the ice too.

I think skating and Yuuri are now both his reasons to live.
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>>151295521
>Skating was never killing Victor.
Except it was metaphorically. It wasn't that skating itself was killing him but how he skated up to the point was killing his motivation to continue on. Victor said that he devoted everything to skating to the expense of living love and actually getting to know someone and falling in love with them. His method of reinvention was basically isolating himself from others emotionally.

That's why he couldn't portray Stammi Vicino properly because he gotten so jaded that he couldn't get the feeling of searching and finding love part of the song right because he never fell for someone before.
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>>151295035
Reminds me of Surya Bonaly, a fantastic athlete with 0 grace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7yJ4jez68
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People are still defending the non-relationship status of Baldfat after that dud of a last episode?
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>>151295150
Can you imagine them being separated at this point?
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>>151296038
Episode 9 shows the two couldn't even fucking function after a day.
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>>151293617
It's pretty much the Rocky theme but in strange goethe-tier old-german. But it really looks like you've got a point with this development anon. :

It's time
Get up, on stage
The curtain rises
Open both eyes
And if bright light shines on(/illuminates) you
Start your round(/begin your lap), dense times arrive soon

Dance as light as the wind
Jump without a limit
Run as fast as steeds
Smooth like the snake
And grasp the beauty of the power of ice

Soul dances full of the joy of life(/living)
Voice paints a luminous dream on the sky
Sings a new chant(/song)

Look, listen what your heart says
Show your own sound, the new sound

Oh, see, the darkness
(in the deep dark forest)
Lies a heart of earth
(he beats a resting rhythm)
Rhythm beats life of the earth
(earth rhythm gets louder)

Light a small fire
(a small hope)
Enkindle, set fire to the courage

Get up, begin,
Open your eyes,
It's the time

Grasp the whole vivid world
Open both eyes
And if bright light shines on(/illuminates) you
Start your round(/begin your lap), dense times arrive soon

Dance as light as the wind
Jump without a limit
Run as fast as steeds
Smooth like the snake
And grasp the beauty of the power of ice

Soul dances full of the joy of life(/living)
Voice paints a luminous dream on the sky
Sings a new chant(/song)
Dance, jump, run, sing, paint,
Your mark on white ground
Victory is waiting for you
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>>151296081
That's true.

>Yuuri I must go ahead to Russia to get my apartment going
>BIKTORUU
>URIIIIIIIIIII
>BIKTORUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>151295130
Bait is sexual foreplay in these cases.
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>>151295909
Not that anon, but while I'm still not sure if I share this view, this is actually a nice and valid interpretation. I did see some people start speculating after his line "I can feel Yuuri's feelings flow through me" or something along those lines in ep 11 while watching Yuuri skate.
And him telling Yuuri early on that he loves the way he skates because it's like his "body is creating music" obviously means Yuuri has become his muse.

It's just hard because ep 10 really had people thinking he didn't want to skate anymore, period. It's still easy to see his reactions in ep 11 as him just enjoying the skating because he's NOT competing.
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>>151296026
A lot of things were wrong with the last episode but the lack of exposition regarding the romantic aspect wasn't one of them.
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>>151295986
I can't even do a back flip on solid ground. How does someone manage to do it in ice while wearing metal blade shoes?
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>>151296026
Yeah apparently.
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>>151295521
They sure got hysterical at the idea skating was the worst thing that had happened in Victor's life. Like quitting would be his only way to find happiness.
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>>151296081
>>151296115
God I love how fucking dramatic they are about being separated, even at the mere possibility of it. They're in so deep.
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>>151295608
I like the way you think. It's an adult one.
I know a lot of people are fascinated by this show, but too many superlatives and total denials in these threads.
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>>151296115
>yuuri has a meltdown thinking victor will leave him and tries to preemptively break up again
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>>151296280
If that many people are confused then maybe the show should have been a little clearer.
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>>151296126
>It's just hard because ep 10 really had people thinking he didn't want to skate anymore, period. It's still easy to see his reactions in ep 11 as him just enjoying the skating because he's NOT competing.

It wasn't just EP10, but his response in the airport scene in EP9 that he wishes that Yuuri would never retire so he could continue on coaching Yuuri does make it seem that he was willing to give up competitive skating. Even the argument in EP12 made him seem incredulous that Yuuri was telling him to get back on the ice while Yuuri retires.

Victor was willing to get it all up. EP11 with Fairy beating his SP seems like he was okay with Fairy being Russia's new ice emperor.

I think him returning to skating is express what Yuuri means to him. But Victor was also okay not skating anymore if Yuuri never mentioned it and continued skating.
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>>151295621
I imagine they think it will trigger 'something' if they post totally unrelated and incomparable girl love yuri here. Except not. Most people are indifferent.
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>>151285158
>Brojob brojob, choo choo!
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>>151296293
>Yuuri I will go to Russia to set up you get our stuff from Japan
>Victor's leaving me, this must because I am not worthy as a skater
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>>151295642
I don't agree. Death and imprisonment are two different things. Only one is the real end.
If Victor felt shacked, he just needed to get free.
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Why argue if it's bait when the relationship is shit anyway? People defend this weak writing by saying the characters are autists or it makes sense for an anxious character to be shy, but the onus is on the writers to make you like the relationship. Victor's still on an idol pedestal and Yuuri is so wooden he doesn't even act like he'd make a great partner. Most shippers I see of it elsewhere just want the relationship to be Victor worshiping Yuuri all the time. I'm supposed to buy they're at the stage where they should be engaged?
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>>151296424
>lowqualitybait.exe
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>>151296424
They need to get drunk more. They looked happiest then.
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>>151296345
I really think if it was just one season it would have had Victor retiring from competing and becoming a coach and choreographer instead. I really don't know why so many people in the audience wanted him to go back.
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>>151296318
>Confessing your love in national TV
>Kiss
>Constant physical intimacy
>"He gave me 'love' and 'life'"
>Rings
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>>151296505
But then things got really weird in episode 12.
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>>151296450
Such a beautiful, loving relationship.
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>>151296424
They are very physical with each other which is pretty refreshing, but I never really got the emotional connection either.
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>>151296318
I can tell you from experience people still doubt absolute clarity. I'm numb now anon, it's better to just laugh at them.
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Do fujos ever like a gay relationship where the dudes in them aren't assholes?
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>>151295668
And you realize you can free slaves?
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>>151296558
The physical stuff is pure fanservice for fujoshi
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>>151296482
>I really think if it was just one season it would have had Victor retiring from competing and becoming a coach and choreographer instead. I really don't know why so many people in the audience wanted him to go back.


I think so too and being a renown choreographer that coaches on the side isn't too shabby. It would be better if he retired at his peak. S2 could add other skaters requesting Victor to program something for them and pitting his choreography against each other.
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>>151296558
The emotional connection is there, they're just flawed people who are established to be inexperienced with love. If it's not your thing, then it's just not your thing. To me that physicality is indicative of their emotional bond, especially considering how far Yuuri's come from rejecting him in the early episodes and pushing all people away in general.
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>>151296536
They're still using their rings, they're living together, pair skating with a romantic song and >>151291666
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>>151296588
Yes.

Everyone please draw more of these two.
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JJ is a good boy!
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>>151296588
Yes, this one?
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>>151296655
Sky High was the best boy
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>>151296678
correct
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>>151291666
So much blinging of those rings, christ.
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>>151296678
Stop posting, Kubo.
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>>151296588
If they are written as such yes. But when writing characters, good ones, they are going to have personality traits, flaws, and ideals that not everyone agrees with, just like real people. This leads to conflict which is a part of story telling. Not everyone can be angels.
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>>151296696
Yes. Keith deserves happiness and love.
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I want Chris to get married to his boyfriend and retire into a life of comfort and happiness after an entire career of getting BTFO by Victor. He deserved better.
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>>151296655
Shit pairing is shit.
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>>151296769
Minako and Kotomine can sandwich him.
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>>151296792
Literally who? Don't post twitter shit here.
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>>151296635
You can't defend hack writing with the excuse that real people are flawed too. They're still fictional characters and are evaluated based on how well the story sells them. I can make an excuse for every badly written character out there that has basis in rl behavior, it wouldn't make them not a badly written character.

And right now we see a relationship where you can't buy an emotional connection. They look dysfunctional. They make the same mistakes over and over again. They don't talk things out and would rather hurt each other in petty ways. The creators intended for it to be the central love story, but their central relationship looks like absolute shit.
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>>151296795
Chris is built for threesomes.
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>>151296792
>people still think it's a risk to portray a gay couple in fucking an anime in fucking otaku hour.
SJWs are weird.
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>>151296750
This. Maybe it's just my taste but "pure", escapist romances get boring and feel too superficial after a while.
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>>151296792
is that jesuotaku
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>>151296792
>Mystic Messenger
>Kingdom Hearts
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>>151296792
Who the fuck is this wet paintbrush looking dude?
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>>151296795
>>151296844
Delete this, the whole point is that the flighty slut turns out to be in a stable monogomous relationship.
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>>151296345
>I think him returning to skating is express what Yuuri means to him

Honestly I'm looking forward to seeing him express his love on the ice, he'll make Yuuri pounce on him this time around.
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>>151296038
This is the best answer ever.
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>>151296750
Why do so many people want their waifu to be pure then?
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>>151296883
What the fuck, is it really?
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>>151296933
He has a beautiful pure relationship with Kotomine and also sometimes random people.
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>>151296424
This. Way to overhype a relationship that literally requires you to fill in the blanks because they refused to show buildup on screen. I'd say Kubo is a genius for making people go head over heels over a shallow relationship just because it's canon.
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>>151296843
>And right now we see a relationship where you can't buy an emotional connection. They look dysfunctional. They make the same mistakes over and over again. They don't talk things out and would rather hurt each other in petty ways. The creators intended for it to be the central love story, but their central relationship looks like absolute shit.

Just say you don't like BaldFat, because you are ignoring their development so far. They aren't hurting each other for the lulz, Yuuri genuinely believes that Victor would be happier skating again because Yuuri believes that he is not worth Victor giving up the rest of his career with. And the only time Victor intentionally hurt Yuuri, he fucked up and own up to that fuck up.

And every couple is going to have miscommunications anyway. It's not like it's over the same shit.
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>>151296958
Because they want to escape the reality of people and idolize a perfect being instead of growing up and learning how to accept and deal with another person's flaws.
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>>151296958
Escapism, real life already has too many flaws and with anime you have the option to ignore that.
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>>151296109

>Dance as light as the wind
>Jump without a limit
>Run as fast as steeds
>Smooth like the snake
>And grasp the beauty of the power of ice

Wait, it's like this song is about Fairy. If he skated about him, it's even more interesting and I'd even could call it his signature after all. The problem is that you'd have to be in his head to understand, and the judges can't do that.
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>>151296958
Because those people have shit taste and rather have moe bullshit than a good character.
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>>151296953
Yuuri can't even make the first move with anything. It's almost laughable how much the MC whose thoughts we always see doesn't even act like he wants to be in this relationship. He's even the one who no homos the rings.
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>>151296115
My sides. I could read these in their voices.
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>>151296843
This is blowing everything way out of proportion. They don't intentionally do this, and they learn from their mistakes if you continue watching. Like Victor reprimanding Yuuri for acting rude to Minami, then Yuuri begins openly supporting the other skaters. Like Victor trying to snap Yuuri out of his funk badly and Yuuri tells him to cut it out and to simply believe in him and stay by his side. Victor does this, telling press about his talent and making more of an effort to praise him openly. He even thinks to himself what he can offer to Yuuri, wondering about what he can do better as a coach. It goes on. Making mistakes is not dysfunctional. Christ.
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>>151296115
I want a loop of them calling each others names like this.
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I'm getting confused about Yurio's motivations the more I think about it. So based on episode 12, we now know that Yurio has been watching and rooting for Yuuri in his own aggressive tsun way this whole time. He wanted Victor to choreograph for him and thought Yuuri was a loser after the bathroom scene so I can understand why, at first, he didn't want Victor coaching Yuuri. But why was he still so angry about it towards the end of the series? The way he didn't even react to Victor's return and just freaked at the thought of Yuuri retiring makes it seem like he never really cared about what Victor did. He respects Yuuri as a rival so he can't think he's unworthy of Victor's coaching either, wouldn't he be happy that Yuuri had someone to bring out his best? The only conclusion I can come to is romantic jealously, I'm that confused by his continued hostility.
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>>151296126
I like the idea of Yuuri being Victor's Muse too.
But then I don't understand how people can imagine Victor being happy he's not on the ice competing with these talented rivals.
It's not him at all. What about his pride as a pro?
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>>151297105
>Yuuri can't even make the first move with anything. It's almost laughable how much the MC whose thoughts we always see doesn't even act like he wants to be in this relationship. He's even the one who no homos the rings.

Yuuri gave Victor the rings even though he went all full JAPAN and tried to downplay their significant. But he knew what he was doing with the rings.

Plus he only denied that they were married, which they weren't. He was okay with Victor calling the engagement rings.
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>>151296866
It could be a sales risk if this anime didnt just prove that theory bullshit. (But they wouldnt have known that at the time)
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>>151296210
Use all your weight to plant your blade into the ice. Kill it. I can't stand her skating, it's so brutal.
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>>151297105
He thinks about keeping Victor with him as long as possible, having him watch him and only him, and so on. His monologues show he's very interested. He's just not good at expressing it.
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>>151297200
I believe that was the writers giving themselves a way out of going full homo. Just like Kubo's '"it can be a kiss if you want it to be or not" comment.

>He was okay with Victor calling the engagement rings.

He wasn't. And then they never mention it again.
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>>151296616
The whole anime is pure fanservice for fujoshi. You can't just write off parts of the show as noncanon- thats fucking stupid.
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>>151296406
I can see it happening. Not even ironically.
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>>151297196
Maybe some anons were right about him having a little crush, I don't know. With Victor his hostility could also come down to missing him, they had been rink mates for years.
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>>151297175
This is the closest thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfvOSrY3IAc
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>>151296424
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>>151297264
>he wasnt
Where is the proof?
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>>151297227
it's not that it's brutal, to me at least. it's just that half her arm movements look mechanical and rehearsed.

but then I can't really talk, since I can barely skate, let alone do a single-skate landing backflip.
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>>151297239
That just feels like Yuuri enjoys the confidence boost of having his idol's attention, and other skaters pissed at him for it. It still after 12 episodes doesn't feel like he cares for him as a person - though Victor is a shallow love interest character anyway.
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>>151297320
>never marry a Japanese dude
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>>151297291
>Yuuri I'm going out with some friends to get lunch
>Victors never coming back
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>>151297320
This sounds terrible. But I don't buy this when we have other anime characters who act warm to their significant others. Yuuri just came off as a cold douchebag, even if it wasn't intentional.
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>>151297403
None of them were nips though.
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>>151297310
It's no inuyasha/kagome but I'll take it.
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>>151296406
Piggy sounds like one of those exhausting people you have to always reassure in a relationship or they turn on you. The only way this "relationship" works is because Victor is a shallow flat husbando.
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>>151297320
Yuuri clearly has anxiety that affects way more than his relationship with Viktor, though. regardless of whatever ingrained japanese autism he has.
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>>151297400
>Victor lets end this
>pulls out gun
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>>151296843
They are not badly written, they are written this way on purpose to fascinate people and look, it fucking works.
It's how you hook people for 96 episodes without a single kiss like Maison Ikkoku, and that's genius writing.
You not liking it is purely subjective.
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>>151297264
He was flustered by the whole fucking cafe's attention on them and Victor being so open makes him flustered as well. He's shy and anxious. Pure nip behavior too.

>>151297349
Nah, his monologue during his skate in ep 7 makes it clear he sees Victor's flaws. The hair poke during the same episode is also him acknowledging Victor as a flawed person just like him. He looks up to Victor and Victor inspires him, but it's not at that level, at least not all the time.
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>>151297320
Naw fampai, your husband is just a dickhead
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>>151297310
Someone needs to make one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0&t=112s
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Yuuris autism extends beyond typical nip autism into classic anime romance MC autism.
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>>151297450
Funny how that anxiety didn't kick in while he saw his idol and supposed lover cry due to what he said in front of him.
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>Kubo's twitter background is St Petersburg

She's already getting excited to spend the animation budget on research trips, isn't she?
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>>151296958
To be their first ones and feel special. That's a guy thing.
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>>151297492
It did though. He was an autist in that scene.
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>>151297519
>changed her profile picture from Yuuri
what did she mean by this?
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>>151297320
This reminds me of that VA interview when they literally described Yuuri's actions as "very Japanese" and that he can be pretty "mentally weak" at times.
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>>151297492
His anxiety primarily has to do with himself.
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>>151297492
That's why I think that scene was rushed and there could have been more that got edited out when they had to change the final episode for a new season. I get that Yuuri has anxiety and could have frozen up, but not seeing him express regret, even in his head, made him seem cold. At least after Victor fucked up he looked sorry and actually apologized. The hotel scene was just really weird.
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I haven't watched the show but I can't figure out a way to nohomo engagement rings
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>>151276139
Yaoibait
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>>151297293
I really hope it was a crush, but I have to assume it's just inconsistent characterization like the rest of the episode.
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>>151297468
He could have any monologue in his head that said the word fiance. Face it, they're not engaged. The scene was a joke.
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>>151297533
>>151297557
>I can't accept flawed writing so I will make lame excuses for it
Why? That wasn't the only part of the episode that was written oddly either.
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>>151297162
Yes, in this show all is related to character growth. It's just that they need a lot of it. After all, artists tend to live in their bubbles.
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>>151297196
You have to understand that Fairy treats Yuuri and Victor has two separate entities. His conflicts with each doesn't overlap much in his thinking.

Fairy is less mad of Victor coaching Yuuri than Victor pretty much abandoning him at a critical moment at his skating career. Fairy has abandonment issue. So he is going to hurt/piss off Victor the best way he can: insulting the piggy. He still thinks that Victor is being stupid throwing everything away for Yuuri regardless of Fairy's own opinion on Yuuri.

Fairy was pissed Yuuri for not getting back when Yuuri went down.Of course, he had a shitty perception of Yuuri until Onsen on Ice. Fairy wanted to be the bitter rival to Yuuri but Yuuri refused to. Yuuri became worthy in Fairy once Yuuri got out of his funk and busted his ass. So Yuuri willing to give that up was unfathomable for Fairy so he went out reinvented Allegro Apassionatto to reflect Fairy as an ulimate fuck you to Yuuri if he going to retire.
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>>151297578
Theyre 700 euro lucky charm wedding rings anon. 100% straight.
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>>151297519
Has kubo ever done a romance or gay stuff? Curious if this is her first time working with such topics.
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>>151297519
She'll have lots of fun sight seeing while researching, will be interesting following her.
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>>151297578
The MC tried to no homo it by calling them good luck charms, but we all saw the receipt calling them wedding rings.
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>>151297595
We didn't get inside his head for like 95 percent or more of the entire episode anon. If you recall, it was being narrated by Victor.
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>>151297557
I have anxiety too and I still show more reaction if someone cries in front of me. The writing was just weak there. Yuuri's anxiety moments where he can come off as a jerk had better payoff than this, like the moment with Minami.
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>>151297558
That whole scene did seem odd. I'm fine with Yuuri's initial surprise and Victor being mad but the scene cut off after that way too abruptly.
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>gay men written by straight women
no wonder it sucked
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>>151297197
Victor was more concerned wowing the crowds than having rivalries
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>>151297638
I mean in episode 12. Yuuri doesn't have any thoughts that he's engaged.
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>>151297665
>yet is loved by gay people.
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>>151297636
It was actually fun to go through her instagram and see all the places that eventually made it into the show. If she did it now it'd be spoilers though.
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>>151297320
I'm glad someone could understand that part of Yuuri's character.
I've never heard about any Russian and Japanese couple before and I highly doubt it would work like any other couple in anime.
There's going to be a LOT of adjustments to make. It's only the beginning.
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>>151297665
I've seen a ton of gay people like it. The weird reactions are in these threads.
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>>151276139
This piece of shit repulsive is fujobait, bait
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>>151297320
If you're too obsessed with being "manly" to even say "I love you' once that's shit
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>>151297738
She'll probably post some stuff here and there to build up hype, changing her background to St. Pertersbert is just the start.
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>>151276139
Bait
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>>151297759
Your point? I've seen alot of gay people not like it too.
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>>151276139
Friends
Bait
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They are absolutely straight = bait
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>>151297746
Them immersing themselves in each other's culture should help, Victor got the Japanese experience and now it's Yuuri's turn.
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Not bait, but not confirmed. People in this thread need to stop bringing up real life people as some sort of excuse. The writers are in charge, and they won't have Yuuri or Victor confirm their relationship outside of skating. This is on purpose. They want the ambiguity.
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>>151297806
Plus Yuuri even say that he isn't macho either and wasn't afraid to be feminine either (which is why BaldFat is interesting because both Victor and Yuuri can both be pretty masculine and feminine as they want to, the liquid leading of the pair skate cements this). He's definitely a herbivore type guy as much as we love his faded-as-fuck persona.
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>>151297861
They must be a minority or in this thread because it's praised everywhere else.
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>>151297806
Very few times do nips ever say that, even to their own families. It's a culture very strongly immersed in symbolism/context.

>>151297861
Like with everything else? I'm gay, it's not like we're are a fucking hivemind. Just refuting that it didn't suck to everyone.
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>>151297320
Can it be that Yuuri has legit anxiety and is Japanese as fuck? Because Yuuri does display behaviors that has nothing to do with being Japanese as fuck.
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>all of the physical Victor/Yuuri scenes are fujobait and not to be taken seriously
>all the confessions of sexual attraction are fujobait and not be taken seriously
>half of episode 10 is fujobait and should be ignored
>skating monologues dont mean anything, its all fujobait
Can you call it bait if its literally the whole anime?
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Man that samefag
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>>151297759
the ones that like it want to huddle in the closet and watch it with their gaybros. anyone that cares about a human portrayal of same sex romance knows YOI is pandering to the lowest common denominator. what's worse is Kubo's 'discrimination free' world that still had to keep a kiss ambiguous because you still need heterosexual people to buy your shit.
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>>151298013
what confessions?
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>>151297938
Time for yuri to be molested by everyone and victor having to save his ass.
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>>151296607

...yes. so if skating was his fetters, he is free by stopping skating.
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It's very telling that the only people analblasted about Yuuri's niptism and the finale itself are on this website. Sasuga /a/.
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>>151297938
Good opportunity now that they're in St. Petersburg for s2.
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>>151284513
Is anyone have this with sound?
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>>151297403
You should. Most anime characters supposed to be 'Japanese' act totally off when you see them open their hearts to someone they just met or touch/hug people easily. Look at any japanese drama, the way they act. They don't make any gesture, barely touch others. They are just standing and talking. That's real life.
The 'easy heart opening' especially is totally surreal. Japanese people don't open to each others, not even to their family, they bear, bear, bear it till they explode one day.
You can't even ask someone you're working with why he's crying. He'll react like he just shamed himself. You're supposed to see it, and change slightly your attitude towards them so that they understand you're worrying. It7s fucking maddening.

I think anime depicts what they wish they could do. And YoI's writing is excellent for the reason that it's realistic. So refreshing. You bet the Japanese love it, can relate and want to see how Victor is going to manage Yuuri's 'japaneseness'. I'm as fascinated as they are.
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>>151298041
>his eros is enough to make me, a man , pregnant
>look only at me
>yuuri gave me love and live
All fujobait. It means nothing. Victor and Yuuris entire relationship is fujobait. As is Victor and Chris'.
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>>151298070
>dat log set made my dick and nutbladder diamonds.
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>>151298128
No wonder the suicide rates are so high there.
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>>151298070
What does it tell you, exactly? /a/ is more discerning and has better taste than any other website. That is not high praise, literally everywhere else on the internet is filled with complete retards, and eating up garbage indiscriminately is a sure sign of a shit userbase (like MAL, for example).
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>>151298141
I can see why people would think the characters and relationships are flat if tbey just dismiss anything gay as fake and not actually part of the anime.
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>>151297806
If that's the way you were raised, how can you react another way? And is it very different from all the 'men don't cry' shit? That's culture shock for you.
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>>151298168
>What does it tell you, exactly? /a/ is more discerning and has better taste than any other website.
wut
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>>151298128
So they want to self-insert on the MC and pretend they never have to grow and admit their flaws but their perfect saintly love interest will still pat their ass. This is how most people want the relationship to go.
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Even if you consider Baldfat canon, there was still fujobait throughout.
Kubo 'baited' the concept of a romantic kiss as a 'surprise from Victor' yet censored it to create ambiguity. When given the opportunity to actually go through with in a serious, appropriate fashion in the finale, she denied the audience of it. That is in itself baiting.

This does not mean Baldfat's relationship is bait, only that Kubo certainly baited aspects of it.
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>>151298168
>/a/ has better taste
What did he mean by this?
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>>151297264
He was, he didn't even deny it, only stammered and blushed further.
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>>151298128
I love looking at YoI through the nip lens, it's actually surreal to see a pair of guys so openly lovey-dovey and physically intimate all the time as much as they, you just don't see two people this casually intimate in an anime before. Maybe between two young girls, but that's it.

Nips have apparently been losing their shit on Twitter every episode for the Baldfat moments, they love it. It's no wonder the pairing got so popular there.
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>>151298230
Thats romance anime for you. I wouldn't call it "fujobait" though since that has a particular meaning that relys on gay not actually happening. Its more just teasing in general.
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>>151298216
>>151298235
Finish the sentence (I literally said it's not high praise) or tell me where you go to find a userbase with better taste, because it sure as fuck isn't reddit, tumblr, MAL, narutoforums, etc.

It really doesn't take great taste to be better than the rest of the internet.
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>>151298168
>/a/
>discerning
>better taste

But seriously. I don't think you all realize that the show is written by nips for nips. That's why Victor is so perfect and puts up with Yuuri and his Japanese mindset. He's a cute character but he's still a representation of the nip fujos watching the show.
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>>151297264
>He wasn't. And then they never mention it again.
If there's one thing Yuuri isn't shy about is denying about shit. It's really telling that he didn't do that when Victor said they were engagement rings.

Not to mention that he was inspired after looking at a picture of JJ and Isabella with their engagement rings.
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>>151298168
>/a/ is more discerning and has better taste
This might be one of the funniest things I've ever seen posted unironically
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>>151298168
Being negative doesn't necessarily mean "better taste." It's easy as fuck to be contrarian when you're anonymous, it doesn't mean you're right.
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>>151298244
Victor and Yuri's dialogue directly after putting the rings on their fingers is enough to kill the concept of it being engagement rings. Not to mention their actual vas.

But it's utterly pointless to argue now.
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>>151298324
>>151298313
Is the concept of a relative judgement really lost on you morons? I did not say /a/ is discerning and has great taste, I said it is MORE discerning and has BETTER taste, and that it's not hard because everyone else is literally retarded.
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>>151298306
The point is "good taste" is a meme. Anime are shitty cartoons with poor writers that are tropey as fuck in an industry that only survives on the most blatant of fanservice. Liking one over another doesn't make you sophisticated. Like what you like and call everyone elses taste shit .
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>>151298313
>That's why Victor is so perfect and puts up with Yuuri and his Japanese mindset.

This is why I don't like Baldfat as a ship. It's canon romance and most romance aimed at the otome and fujo crowd follows this formula. But it makes Victor look completely boring and Yuuri feel like a Gary Stu who will never be forced to grow and actually take responsibility. People want him to be treated like a precious little infant because he has anxiety.
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>>151298323
Yeah, considering how hard he denied Phichit saying they were wedding rings immediately before, it really says a lot that he didn't even try to deny Viktor.
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>>151297665
Not according to gay skaters?
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>>151276139
Bait
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>Yuuri get married to Victor because he was too anxious to tell him the wedding rings he bougjt were just good luck charms.
Can you imagine being this retarded?
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Does this mean Victor is an idealized escapist vision for nips of what foreigners are?
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>>151298435
But he never confirms it either. This is what this show does.
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>>151298059
He never said he wanted to and coaching someone instead proves he can't give up.
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>>151298287
Stringing the audience along is what they're doing, it's fairly common.
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I hate this whole ambuigity thing so much. BikeFairy bait was just ridiculous. The whole "hero captures thr fairy" thing in social media, the romantic atmosphere, everything baited the gay, and then they suddenly call it friendship. It really felt like they think we're dumb.
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>>151298491
>—After Yurio, who was the next character to be born?

>Kubo: Appearance-wise, I believe it was Victor. The notion that he was a “living legend,” the strongest in the skating world, was something we’d come up with right from the start. Of course, even though he is an original character, because we were trying to recreate the figure skating world as realistically as possible, we figured that we’d get a lot of comments along the lines of “Oh, he’s really similar to this skater.” But because we wanted to be able to write him as freely as possible, well, if there’s any country that has strong and interesting skaters, it’s gotta be Russia (chuckles). And since the great Evgeni Plushenko is, in fact, Russian, we thought people would be likely to say: “He’s the model, isn’t he?” So we decided to make sure he didn’t resemble Plushenko, but if you think about it, his position in the world is incredibly close to Plushenko’s. So in the end, you might think that they are similar in some ways…but that wouldn’t be because we created Victor to be like him. The more important question is whether he has the right personality for the progression of the story.

He was designed to be a particular kind of skater like everyone else except Yuuri pretty much.
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>>151298541
In the dumb way only anime are capable of yes.
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>>151298528
He was the one who worded a traditional Japanese proposal the ep before ("please take care of me"), and when Victor picked up on this he wasn't displeased in the least, so there's at least some reason to believe he wants to get hitched to Victor someday.
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>>151298435
No, he denied they were married. He didn't deny they were engagement rings.
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>>151276139
This is bait
Yaoi is disgusting
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>>151298577
Please improve your reading comprehension.
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>>151298558
Bikefairy was always friendship. They make for a great side ship though. Otabek is barely a character too so you can make him into whatever fits with your fetish.
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>feel like Yurio got fucked over in the hot springs competition because Victor was deciding the winner with his dick
>cheer for Yurio from that point on
>he actually fucking wins
Thanks Kubo
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>>151298398

While I definitely think that the whole "handsome rich husbando falling in love with anxiety riddled nip" thing is wish fulfillment I seriously don't think Yuuriis treated like an infant, especially not by the narrative.

He begins the show literally bawling in the bathroom. His dog dies. He gets fat and his idol rips him for it. He gets called out for his selfishness. He ends up skating alone in Russia. He has a tiff with his boyfriend. He fucks his Eros and costs himself the gold in the end.

If anything he gets away with much less of a perfect life than your average character in a non fantasy/historical series.

And his single fuck up in episode 12 turned him from being praised to being literally Hitler in /a/ eyes.
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>>151298577
I know you want to pretend Kubo didn't leave you hanging, but she did. Sorry bro.
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>>151298595
No thats literally what happened. Pichet asked if they were married.
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>>151298558
This is not bait, are you kidding? Did you literally want them to confess their love after they just met? They should absolutely be taking it slow if it's to develop further, and Fairy had no friends up to that point. It's a good start.
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>>151298167
South Korea's suicide rate is even higher, so it must be an asian thing.
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>>151298622
That's what the original post said, you idiot. I agree with you. Learn to read.
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>>151298398
>This is why I don't like Baldfat as a ship. It's canon romance and most romance aimed at the otome and fujo crowd follows this formula. But it makes Victor look completely boring and Yuuri feel like a Gary Stu who will never be forced to grow and actually take responsibility. People want him to be treated like a precious little infant because he has anxiety.

Except this is not what happens on the show. Yuuri only made progress when he opened up, when he doesn't, it creates problems for him. The fact he's not shy letting Victor touch him, the fact that he is so addicted to hugging Victor that he becomes a hug rapist when he wasn't there is showing that he is losing that Japanese re

And plus the anime also show that love can't always solve shit and showed that Victor isn't a perfect human being despite his pretty crying.
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>>151298569
Everything Yuuri says is fujobait and should not be taken as canon.
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>>151298558
>He said come with me gently not cum with me gently
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>>151298659
>a character's words should not be taken as canon
What
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>>151298263
I love it too. It's very revealing. But then there is the fact that pro skate is a totally different world and for example, legend skater Yuzuru Hanyu is warm enough to transform an ice rink into a pool in matters of seconds.

Pic totally related.
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>>151298659
I'm gonna take this as tongue in cheek, but this is a general question to anybody - if you really think everything in this show is fujobait, that there's nothing to Baldfat's relationship, why the fuck are you watching then? Serious question. If you're going to question and doubt everything in this show, why not drop it?
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>>151276139
Bait to a totally new GAY ON ICE level
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>>151298644
>The fact he's not shy letting Victor touch him, the fact that he is so addicted to hugging Victor that he becomes a hug rapist when he wasn't there
I love this so much, their physical intimacy is one of the most heartwarming aspects of the series. It's cathartic to have them actually hug all the time instead of just being tense and awkward like so many anime couples, and it's nice that it's actually treated like something you can use when you need comfort.
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>>151276139
gay
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>>151298618
Everyone not on /a/ ships Baldfat with Victor just existing to praise Yuuri all the time. When they're not drawing yandere rape fantasies.
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>>151298745
It's just gay.
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>>151298777
I don't know what imaginary site you're finding that on but I want in if there's yandere Victor.
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>>151284774
He's bi
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>>151298018
>Man that samefag
All at the same time, all one lining and answering to OP's with 'bait'.
So obvious.
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>>151298777
Not really?
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>>151298385
There wasn't a dialogue, Yuri didn't answer to 'we're going to get married after you take Gold'. Too busy blushing furiously.
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>>151298700
A joke
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>>151298813
Pretty sure it's ESL-kun
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>>151298813
Just leave ESL kun to his shitposting anon, no need to address it. He won't understand you anyway.
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>>151298398
>"Let's see what happen if I break him for good"

Victor is far from being perfect.
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>>151298852
And even if they didn't bring up the engagement ring again they reinforced the fact that gold medal = romantic resolution for Baldfat.
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>>151298777

Everyone on /a/ just loves Victor.
Nip fujos do too but they also love Piggy. They've accepted that they come as a package deal

Piggy is rabu, piggy is raifu.
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>>151298853
Man, this is what dealing what hetfags for years does to you. I thought you were for real without any hesitation whatsoever.
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>>151298885
It's fucking hilarious how soon everyone forgot Victor pulling the same asshole move to Yuuri during Ep 7. I really hope people are over exaggerating their hate for Piggy now for keks.
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>>151298968
Seriously, Viktor is pretty fucking autistic about Yuuri crying too.
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>>151298968
I didn't forget. But I liked that they had him apologize and not do it again. Now we need the same thing from Yuuri. It was the rushed way the conflict was handled in episode 12 that killed it. It's more a writing issue. I don't think either of them are assholes, they're still good normal guys with regular flaws like the rest of us to me.
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>>151298871
You bet
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>>151299047
Not defending it in anyway, but I assumed we were meant to take Yuuri's FS as his proof that he loved Viktor and never wanted to hurt him intentionally just let him go for his own sake.
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>>151298885
I don't think perfect, but he fits the self indulgent fantasy for people who want to self insert, pretend they are the pure being in a relationship, so they deserve to be fawned over.

its otome tropes. They're both bland.
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>>151299081
Hmm. I think maybe then instead of people expecting big long talks, we have to accept that the show uses skating as a form of communication.
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>>151287379
JJ choking was the real asspull.
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>>151299047
With the way that scene was cut, I'm pretty sure we're going to get flask backs in S2. The way Victor grasped Yuuri's shoulder at the end, so hard that Yuuri flinched, can't have been the last scene of that quarrel.
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>>151299081
That's what I thought, and I only watched the raw, not the shitty translation.
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>>151299168
I really think they cut that scene to fit in Lambiel.
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>>151297519
Wait, is she personally in St Petersburg now? I'm here, maybe I could try to stalk her!
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>>151299087
Yuuri is pure too. So pure he's hurting people without even being trying to.
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>>151289064
>>151289194
JJ was the only character that actually resembled a threat in the competition. Otabek was too much of a nobody and Phichit/Chris jobbed all goddamn season. Making him choke took any competitive element out of the finale by making it guaranteed that Yuri and Yurio would win.
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>>151299166
JJ's entire GPF was an asspull
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>>151299168
>so hard that Yuuri flinched
Just rewatched it, and you're right. Victor was losing control.
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>>151299227
Fujo detective, report as soon as you can!
And if you meet her, don't ask her stupid questions, please. She still has a whole story to develop.
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>>151299166
He shouldn't have, he should have been the perfect arrogant asshole who was expected to win, who had the hardest programs and who should have won gold and been the King instead of choking because the two main characters needed to make it.
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>>151299236
That's what I mean. People want to self insert as the pure character so they can pretend they don't have flaws and everything is other people's faults. It's really common in fujo and otome self insert fiction. The love interest is there to fawn over them and reinforce to them they don't deserve their purity.
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>>151276139
Gay of course, why do you think ESL kun is literally camping in these threads?
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>>151299324
that would've been way too obvious like we all knew he was a legit threat so him winning would have been expected and boring and not fun.
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>>151299240
I'm still mad that Serious Chris ended up being fucking nothing. The entire final competition was a letdown and probably the worst overall. Yurio beating Yuri's the only remotely good thing that happened.
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>>151299143
That's definitely what they're going for. Yuuri didn't decide he wanted to keep skating until he saw Yurio perform, and we know explicitly that that's the result Yurio wanted from it. It seems like at least between the skaters, the messages they want to get across do when they perform well enough. There are other examples like Georgi commenting on the Ai in Michele and Yuuri's performance and what have you.
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>>151299240
Otabek was the real wasted character. His lines during his free skate were so generic. He felt thrown in so they could have someone to fujo bait Fairy with.
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>>151298905
>hurry up and win gold you frustrating little pig
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>>151299332
Viktor spends a lot more time being bitchy with Yuuri than fawning over him, though.
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Victor is abusing Yuuri. Baldfat is bad.
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>>151299390
And Mila noting the impact of Victor being absent on Yuuri during his FS in episode 9.
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>>151299081
this. i don't get why /a/ thinks yuri's an asshole by acting out for victor's sake. it says more about his own possible insecurities..or atleast that's what i took from it.
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This series is anime number one according to the newtype rank. Fujoshit.

https://webnewtype.com/news/article/96122/1/
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>>151276139
homo bait that leads to homo
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>>151297519
Is that a Russia flag hat?
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Protip: most sport anime make the MCs lose first so they can sequelbait and having them trying again.
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>>151299487
He feels like they never planned him, which is weird because unlike Georgi or Leo he's been around in official art from the start, not to mention he appeared since Episode 1. They had no time to give him a personality beyond what happened in Episode 10 and even then everything about him ended up relating to Yurio.
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>>151299498
Man, that's a big gap.
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>>151288359
>>151288781
funny enough i actually started liking him in from ep 12 because he choked. it shows that jj isn't just some one-dimensional hetro douche bag and can have anxiety sometimes like a normal person.
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>>151289433
you could argue that he's atleast bisexual but most likely gay for yuri at this point.
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>>151299589
You can develop a character without throwing their role right into the trash, you know.
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>>151299487
>>151299577
Wasn't it mentioned in the interviews that he was thrown in so we could have two new routines?
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>>151299481
Bizarrely enough, Yuuri ended up being kind of right, I guess?

I was fully expecting that confrontation to be about Yuuri needing to stop assuming what Viktor wanted, and Viktor telling him off by saying that he didn't need to go back because he'd found new love for skating through coaching Yuuri or something. But then it turned out that apparently Viktor does want to go back but only while still coaching AND competing with Yuuri. I don't know how Yuuri was supposed to figure that out at any point, though, considering it's completely unheard of.
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>mfw this show's popularity killed the good points it had
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>>151299673
Good Points? It's more delusional relationship fuel, and Japan already had quiet enough of that.
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>>151290282
why admit it? we already know what's going on assuming most of us aren't retarted enough to go by with writers throwing labels at us. just because it's two guys now does that mean that kubo has to hold your hand now.
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>>151299623

You could argue he's bi, but I don't know why you would. Is he ever shown to be attracted to a woman?
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>>151299663
Yes so it wouldn't be as boring because all the other routines were already shown, which is dumb as hell especially because there ended up being no time to develop him anyways. A nameless background character would have been the same.
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Outside of there being slim picking I don't know how anyone could be invested in Baldfat at all. They're unlikable.
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>>151299498
>>151299642
It probably helps that there's a lot of SNS in the show. The ED sequence as well as uploading photos characters take in-show to the official instagram was a fun touch.
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>>151299413
I think Fairy works best with Yuuri honestly
Too bad it'll never happen
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>>151297957

Japanese manliness is different, and Yuuri fits in.
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>>151299822
They were cute before episode 11's end.
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>>151292939
wasn't chris always lowkey jealous with viktor though? but yeah i don't get why he choked in ep 12 either. and this is coming from someone who thought that jj choking was reasonable.
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>>151294034
im pretty sure one of the announcers/judges is inspired by a real Japanese announcer.
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>>151299822
>a few minor communication issues and suddenly they're unlikable
They're ridiculously cute as individuals and a couple, people are very endeared by their personalities even if they have flaws.
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>>151299910
This conflict was under the surface since the beginning, it's just that people who pointed out the foreshadowing were called delusional and shut down.
They both have problems. If it's not your thing no one is trying to convincing you to like it, but there are explanations to what they do. They're relatable to me. I think they are trying to help themselves and each other.
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>>151299946
It's a announcer and not a judge which you or that anon claim to be actual characters.
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>>151299947
Flaws aren't good things. Flaws make characters unlikable.
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>>151299947
I agree they are cute and I like them but their communication issues are not minor, they are huge. Both of them are complete autists on this area. I hope season 2 takes this subject apart and fixes it.
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>>151300041
Anon if you want that kind of purity then just go back to watching moe anime then?
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>>151300075
Maybe Yurio will get tired of it and and smack the two of them.
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>>151299822
I'm not invested in them personally because I've never liked Yuuri but fujos are pleased with whatever is given to them so of course they like BaldFat.
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>>151300075
They seem huge to us, the frustrated and anxious audience, but in the series they don't end up being that difficult to resolve. We all freaked out about Yuuri thinking Victor wanted to return to skating but hey, turns out he actually does and they were fine in no time.
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>>151300107
This is something they have to fix on their own and also something Yurio has nothing to do with.
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>>151300013
Remember when it was pointed out that Viktor looked bored and depressed at the world conference, and anons threw a shitfit about delusional Fujos trying to insert their HC into the story for half a thread? Good times.
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>>151300041
I suppose your friends don't have any then
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>>151300075
Depends on your view. They can be but they do resolve and get over it eventually, and they seem to have learned from some of their past tiffs >>151297162
I'm just not seeing it as bad as people in these threads are. Sorry.
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>>151299965
I don't understand a word but Yuuri's name being written messily is cute.
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>>151300219
What? I never saw anyone deny that he looked bored and depressed. They denied that he had cancer or was Hitler planning some evil manipulation, but everyone could see there was something up with him.
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>>151300192
Of course but sometimes having a neutral party give a nudge can help speed things along.
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>>151276139
Best gay I've ever seen
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>>151300150
Piggy chronically thinks himself into circles and drowns in negativity and acts without regard for others feelings. It's part of his mental problems and not easy to fix even thought it seems like common sense. Like even if he was right or wrong he should have told Victor (who didn't want to leave him retirement or not).

Victor is also autistic, he is flirty and affectionate but acts 2mysterious4u so Piggy doesn't understand the true depths of his feelings.
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>>151300294
>Hitler planning some evil manipulation
And now this is Yuuri while Victor is a pure maiden who can do no wrong.
/a/ has a weird obsession with this black and white thinking, though I see it in some other places too. People literally cannot handle "gray" characters or ones who just happen to fuck up sometimes. They must absolutely be either a demon or an angel. It's baffling.
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>>151299429

Never though I would see such a thing as "fiancézoned" but here we are
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>>151300294
This was around episode 6--past cancer and hitler. Someone was pointing out how much happier he seemed with Yuuri and comparing it to his fake smiles from episode 1. Anons flippe out saying because the show didn't say he was unhappy then, it was a HC.
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>>151300437
Viktor only has himself to blame for that one.
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>>151300437
Victor's going to be engaged for a while.
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>>151294460
>Get up, on the groin
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>>151300395
The angsty Victor theories were everywhere, it wasn't just /a/. Calling people Literally Hitler or pure or whatever is generally a joke too. But yeah, people are way too harsh on characters for their flaws. I won't stand for Piglet hate over this one episode when we already know he cares for Victor.
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>>151300437
To be fair, Victor played himself.
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>>151300527

Artist needs to replace bottom picture for the lost bag of nuts
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>>151300550
And a pole dancing one.
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>>151300550
Those poor lost nuts.
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>>151300527
>Calling people Literally Hitler or pure or whatever is generally a joke too
I used to believe this but some replies in the threads became almost deranged, like taking the scene way too fucking personally for some reason. It got dark and kind of creepy.

I believe a lot were memeing, but there were others who weren't.
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>>151299642
My fucking sides, this is absolutely hilarious. And glorious!
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>>151300504
>tell piggy they'll get married if he gets gold
>waruado rekuado
>the madman might actually do it
>inspire fairy to beat him
>piggy decides to keep trying
>compete against him for the gold
>likely to get it

I don't think Viktor wants to get married desu.
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>>151299822
You're starting to look desperate repeating yourself like that you know.
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>>151300625
He'll keep adding requirements, now that he'll be competing too he's going to make it even harder.
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>>151300625

He inspired Fairy to beat him only because the retarded pig treatened to force them to break up if he won
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>>151300237
I believe they can resolve it and are already helping each other but it is huge. It's not limited to their relationship, it's just part of their character. Like pushing away the Detroit girl and Piggy pre-presscon not even being fully conscious of his support group until Victor waltzed into his life. Or Victor upsetting all his acquaintances in Russia when he left because no one actually knew he was feeling strangled or Piggy wasn't just a whim/booty call.
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>>151299822
>>151299460
>>151300110
>>151299822
>>151299460
>>151298720

Why are you people still answering?
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>>151300600
In S2 Yuuri will eat Victor's eyes.
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>>151300888
They do look kind of yummy.
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>>151300888
CLAMP pls.
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>>151300600
Kek. Literally Hitler is too inherently ridiculous to be used seriously. Such exaggerated words I can only use on characters with joking love, never with sincerity.

Not even on JJ, that cheating Canadian slut whose entire diet consists judges' sperm and ballsacks.
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>>151300888
Georgi no
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>>151300921
His expressions in that scene were so hilariously over the top.
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>>151300888
>00
>888
What did Georgi mean by this
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>>151300988
That face is kind of scary.
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>>151300988
Help he became a frog.
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>>151301014
Yuuri will lick Victor's tears.
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>>151300988
DELETE
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>>151291924
You are fat
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>>151301014
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>>151300988
Viktor as drawn by Isayama
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>>151300988
dat sparkle
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>>151300625
Victor is into extreme edging desu. Blue balls for years.

Luckily pig has stamina.
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>>151301148
Sparkle team got worked half to death ever since ep 10. Now that season 2 is on the horizon some of them might sudoku.
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>>151301166
He's dragging it out until he can't take it anymore and then Yuuri will completely wreck him. He can't fuck Yuuri until he truly retires, otherwise he'll be incapable of skating.
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