>Don't worry, Lelouch. Nunnally is in good hands.

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>>151201659
SUZAK

>>151201659
Friendly reminder that Lulu wanted that to happen in the first season.

>>151201659
GO BACK TO SOUP!

>>151201982
And that was the real Zero Requiem.

>>151201659
Her chastity is safe then.

>>151201982
He was thinking about it even when they were children iirc.

Guys, let's think of all the moments, chronologically, where Lelouch and Suzaku could have allied and won everything if they'd just had a good talk.

I'll start:
When Zero saves Suzaku from his execution at the beginning.

>>151206086
I'm rewatching it now and it's painful how fucking retarded Suzaku is. Both Clovis and Cornelia slaughter innocent civilians for personal benefit and he thinks he's on the good side somehow. Suzaku is borderline mentally retarded.

>>151206161
To be fair, while it's not to Suzaku's credit, since he doesn't understand it, the Elevens are awful, and honestly should be under britannia's bootheel.

>>151206161
>Both Clovis and Cornelia slaughter innocent civilians for personal benefit
False. Cornelia only kills resistances.

>>151206199
His mission prior to being shot by his own fucking commander was to shoot someone in cold blood.

Suzaku was a fucking naive moron in R1, he should have seen lelouch's side when he was rescued but was too much of a dumbass and got love struck by Euphie.

Honestly, lelouch should have used his geass on Suzaku to just ally with Zero.

>>151206161
He's an hypocrite, but I wouldn't say retarded. He's just doing anything in his power to convince himself he did not commit a patricide in vain.

>>151206290
Yeah, Cornelia is a best. She's ruthless, but just, and doesn't let her prejudices get in the way of Euphie's good actions as much as any other Britannian.

>>151206086
When Lelouch learns that Suzaku killed his father, and understands why he didn't wanna fight Brittania during the Mao arc, I'd say that's the second one.

>>151206290
There were a lot of things Cornelia I felt looked the other way on what her men were doing, but I don't exactly remember her directly ordered killing innocence civis

It's sad that Nunnally will never taste her Oniisama's dick.

DELETE DIS

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>>151206161
>I believe I can change the regime from within!
>Oh the regime told me to hold onto Lulu so that when the nuke comes he can't run away? ALRIGHT, GOTTA DO IT CAN'T BREAK ANY MORE RULES

>>151206161
Suzaku doesn't think he's on the good side. Or rather, he doesn't think Britannia is good or else he wouldn't be trying to change it. He simply considers how one should go about things; he'd just rather work with and try to temper the beast than risk it all fighting against it, because it will result in a lot of death and suffering. It's not naivete, he's stubborn about it because of his past hangups.

He has a point though. Britannia is extremely brutal on Elevens because the nation was never fully subjugated and various groups still oppose Britannian rule through acts of terrorism and such, which results in a typically vicious response. Lelouch blowing Clovis's brains out was what got Suzaku in trouble. Actions have consequences and not just the ones you can predict.

>>151201659
Suzaku a shit, lelouch dindu nuffin wrong. Seriously everyone was a shithead that allied with him and suzaku is just such a Fucking evil little shit between being the primary reason Japan went to hell in a handbasket, thus starting up everything in this show, and the fact that after he's kerning himself off for causing countless amounts of deaths, is the primary reason why lelouch's plans went to shit to begin with, causing all the suffering to the cast that it has. Seriously every single event in this shitty show except for the Mao shit is a direct result of suzaku Fucking things continuously on an international scale, and the worst part is literally everybody ends up riding his Dick as the Fucking greatest damn thing since sliced bread.

>>151206999
Trips of truth. Except saying he's the greatest anything. Kallen was the better pilot, in the end.

>>151201659
Suzako is too pure to do anything lewd with her anyway.

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>>151201659
>yfw you realise CG's creators left the sexuality of Lelouch and Suzaku so ambiguous they could be shipped with practically any other character

>>151206902
Yeah. I guess he just wanted to improve their labor condition? You know, by showing that japs could be given important jobs and all.
Damn, if you think about it, in S1 japs WAS just a tool for him. Amount of blood does not matter. He even strongly opposed Euphi's special district because it would robbed him out of new recruits. And Suzaku on the other hand really cares about lives.
Also, I always thought that to make things even more complicated Sunrise should have shown Clovis a better person. I mean, retrospectively, it was shown that he cared about Lulu's family deeply, founded that Honorary Britanian system and stuff. I just think his reasons for massacre could be a little bit better that "cover my shit up".

>>151207533
Japanese authors do not understand subtlety, they think the audience is retarded and their writing matches

That's why they make every villain like a cartoon, then later say he was actually super nice. It's so that you get the impression they want in the moment it's happening.

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I ship these two.

If Lelouch is still alive, what's the point of Zero requiem?

>>151206290
except the time she approved the cleansing of a ghetto

>>151208223
The point is that the world thinks he died.

Also, he might not have intended to live

>>151207911
Sure, insofar as the philistine knows authors only in the context of anime screenwriters and light novelists

>>151208293
They were rebels and radicals, she was only trying to keep the peace.

>>151208322
The Philistine has read everything from moe moe kyun to the Book of Five Rings

Please give me your best suggestion

>>151208009
I just realized that I've never seen a single porn image or doujin of her. Kind of a letdown in retrospect.

The main problem with Suzuki's idea of working within the system was that it presumes the system of Britannia even allowed change. From what we can tell about the ideology of Britannia under Charles and even before him based on how he describes he and VV's childhood being filled lies, murder and backstabbing between brother and sister, Britannia was not a case of an empire deviating from its principles that it needed reform to return to those principles, it was an empire whose very principles were being fully realized by its people and these principles by virtually all standards of human decency were amoral and cruel. Charles himself publicly scoffs in true Nietzschean fashion at the Ten Commandments and the shackles they place on the strong and on progress. There's even a part in one of the picture dramas where the other Knights of the Round repeat to Suzaku that the strong are to destroy the weak, and when Suzaku says "no, the strong are supposed to protect the weak" and their response is basically "why did you become a soldier in the first place"?

From what we can tell, even the average Britannian found his or herself looked down upon for being a "commoner" despite being of the superior race, unless they were someone like Valletta who joined the Pureblood death squad and murdered and intrigued their way into noble status. Marianne was despised for being a commoner enough that Lelouch assumed this was why she was killed. All Suzaku would have ever been able to do presumably would be able to prove that SOME Elevens were a cut above the rest and could be useful soldiers. But the social Darwinist principles of the Britannians could easily rationalize the continued oppression of the vast majority of Elevens. Suzaku was just lucky that Euphoria was such an oddity within the Britannian royal family and not fully indoctrinated, but even her proposal at the end of the day was little more than a limited independent on BRITTANIA'S terms

>>151206086
Even though Suzaku was a fucktard for all of S1 and most of S2, without the amount of suffering Suzaku and Lelouch went through they would not have been able to defeat Charles and his plan to kill god with the Sword of Akasha would have succeeded.

Suzaku wouldn't have been able to kill the Knight of One and Lelouch's Geass wouldn't have evolved enough for him to geass all of humanity's collective unconsciousness (or whatever god is supposed to be).

>>151206902
Also some actions are just wrong and you could wind up doing something regrettable. But by the end, it's like whatever.

>>151208009
You absolute madman.

>>151206161
No, you're the fucking retard.

Say everything about Code Geass is the exact same, except for the magical eye hax of the Geass powers. That is, people live in a world with giant robots, but just about everything is still technology/fuel based physic, no magic fantasy bullshit.

You think the Elevens have ANY chance of overthrowing Britannia? If you answer yes, you're even more retarded than I gave you credit for and should just get your caretaker to put you in a straight jacket and lock you away in a mental institution.

Suzaku took the most efficient and plausible path to his end goals with the amount of information he had. This isn't up for debate and is obvious to anyone who can learn past the 5th grade level.

>>151208407
Kenzaburo oe is what the hip kids read. Hoshino Tomoyuki is one of the most unique writers to come out of Asia this century, which is a shame because english translations of his work are sometimes garbage, especially for PM press's printing of Lonely Hearts Killer. But hey, what can you expect from anarcho's?

>>151208009

Cecile pls

>>151208009
I ship you and your mom

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>>151210487
Like this?

>>151209133
Lelouch was a prince, even without magic there were people loyal to his mother who could have helped him especially since she was a darling of the military and the most popular consort

>>151204892
What a degenerate kid.

>>151210520
lelouch has a weird face

>>151210536
>marrying your sister off while she is still cute and pure to a political ally who is also a friend who you know will take care of her

Lelouch is the least degenerate of all

>>151210526
this is an extremely good point. Lelouch had all kinds of shit he could have used to rally to his side that he eventually had too in S2 because his brother and suzaku are such complete raging faggots, and the black knights were less then worthless at their best and treasonous as soon as anything bad happened. Seriously, if Suzaku wasn't such a complete fucktard, things could have been mitigated something hard if he actually wasn't such a backstabbing little shit and actually backed lelouch a single fucking time in the show.

>>151209133
All an insurgency needs to flourish is strong leadership, a steady supply line, and a cruel but otherwise incompetent opposition force.
All they lacked was strong leadership.

>>151210520
So sad he didn't try to steal her from daddy.

>>151210667
by the time he was at an age to think that and was able to talk to her he was so throughly disgusted with her bullshit he just wanted her to die.

>>151206161
>Both Clovis and Cornelia slaughter innocent civilians for personal benefit
Clovis only was cruel to the Elevens because he cared for Lulu and was angry about his alleged death after Britannia invaded. It was a tragedy that Lulu killed him, because Clovis was HAPPY to see him alive and had no idea Lulu wanted him dead.

>>151208297
>Also, he might not have intended to live
That's the important part. Lulu made it clear that ER could have been done with him faking his death, but he wanted it to be real. The fact remained that he intended to die, but it is separate from the issue of if he succeeded or not.

>>151210624
>This is an extremely good point

Not really. Marianne's marriage to Charles was greatly disapproved of by many in the royal family because Marianne was not of noble blood. Lelouch was sure there was a plot against Marianne and her children within the royal family. Lelouch also suspected Charles was behind things. R2 however revealed things like Jeremiah being devoted to Marianne, Marianne being Charles favorite wife and the real culprit being VV, who was jealous of Charles having Marianne and jealous of Marianne having Charles and who while being of royal blood acted more or less alone with only some help from the Geass cult. Also, Charles apparently favored Lelouch and Nunally the most , which is why they were exiled to "protect" them (and eventually use them)

>>151210727

Where was any of this said in the show?

>>151210829
Not that guy, but there's a sound drama that goes into how Clovis only came to Japan because of Lelouch.

>>151210624
Suzaku was right and his method would've worked if Lelouch didn't geass Euphie into a murder machine.

>>151210856

Doesn't that seem like a plot point that should have been mentioned in the actual show? In the show , Clovis comes across as a sniveling coward who has no problem slaughtering hundreds of Elevens for every Britannian killed just cause he's a stuck up Britannian faggot.

>>151210896
bullshit he was only gonna stop because of the fact that he had no feasible way of continuing his crusade against his father. Suzaku was wrong every step of the way and it wouldn't have done jack shit after a while.

>>151210921
Would it make Clovis any better?

>>151210921
>Clovis comes across as a sniveling coward who has no problem slaughtering hundreds of Elevens for every Britannian killed just cause he's a stuck up Britannian faggot.

Yeah, he was. He also cared for Lelouch, but it's a stretch to view him as kind of good guy.

>>151210896

Euphie's solution would never have lead to a genuine independence as long as Britannians by and large saw themselves as entitled to everyone else's clay

>>151210921
It was to highlight Lelouch was fucking retarded and killed or alienated his potential allies in his "revenge" crusade. Clovis who loved him as brother, Cornelia who had admired his mother and Euphie who he turned into a murder machine. Suzaku wasn't a perfect angel but Lelouch was equally as stupid and did a lot of mistakes. The point was both of them were idiots.

In the end, Lelouch followed Suzaku's path: he became part of the system to reform in a way while Suzaku followed Lelouch to be the symbol of rebellion, Zero. It was pottery or something.

>>151210970

Yeah, but what is the point in revealing that at all? It doesn't exactly do anything except perhaps make Lelouch look bad when the show presented Clovis as more or less a scumbag who got what was coming to him. Also, nobody in the royal family was shown to give a shit about Lelouch or Nunnally except as political chess pieces. Clovis also was terrified when he saw Lelouch alive cause he knew exactly why he was there

>>151211029
Who would want clovis as an ally
really now that's like allying with italy or austria-hungary

>>151211029

Lelouch didn't have any allies in the royal family. They all more or less abandoned him, except for fucking Charles of all people cause apparently CC was acting as eyes and ears for Marianne.

>>151211094
To flesh out his character, I assume. Even bad guys can have their good points, and people they care about.

>nobody in the royal family was shown to give a shit about Lelouch or Nunnally except as political chess pieces

Well, Euphie did. The rest were selfish, amoral assholes whose love for their siblings went a couple of inches deep.

You know, kinda like Lelouch himself.

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>>151201659
>leaving your disabled sister with a filthy eleven
Lelouch failed.

>>151209133
Lelouch said himself at the beginning of the series that the power of geass only sped up his plans by few years.

>>151211194

Fleshing out his character is fine, but that feels like it kinda contradicts his character as presented in the anime, unless his "love" for Lelouch was more of a general sense of honor he felt towards ALL his siblings regardless.


Also, the Britannian princes and princesses seem to have a lot of love for the immediate siblings, Cornelia for Euphy, Lelouch for Nunally it only seems there is serious conflict between the half siblings because they're all competing with one another and having to worry about backstabbing. Lelouch of course wasn't like that until his mother was "killed" which he suspected was due to jealousy within the family, which it was since VV wanted to fuck Marianne and lied to his otouto

>>151209133
You should ask real world superpowers how occupying countries has been going for them. Guerrilla warfare works unless the country marching in formation is willing to go full genocide.

>>151210896
The higher powers would have never gone along with it if there wasn't rebellion and there's no evidence that they were going to sincerely follow through on real equality instead of just using the opportunity to get the rebels to disarm. Also just equality isn't enough for some people if they don't have self determination.

>>151210520
This is the best piece of official Geass art ever.

>>151210808
>hurr royal family

DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE PART ABOUT HER BEING A DARLING OF THE MILITARY YOU RAGING NIGGER?

>>151210808
>Also, Charles apparently favored Lelouch and Nunally the most

I really want to see a SoL AU with Charles trying to be a real dad.
"LLLEELLLLOUCH why are you staying out so late?!" etc.

>>151210970
>Yeah, he was. He also cared for Lelouch, but it's a stretch to view him as kind of good guy.
Clovis is an example of a person who isn't good or evil, but ended up committing evil acts because his society allows it. He wasn't going out of his way in being a bastard, he was just following the cuture of Britannia. From his perspective, the 11s killed Lulu, so he wants revenge.

>>151212610
>Clovis is an example of a person who isn't good or evil, but ended up committing evil acts because his society allows it.

That's a good take on him.

>>151212214

Except every royal family member has its respective underlings and it was Charles himself who told Lelouch to get lost. Charles basically was pulling all the strings isolating Lelouch. And the only person in the military we saw who chose to help Lelouch for Marianne's sake without being Geassed was Jeremiah. The Knight of One loved Marianne too, but he helped Schneizel and also went against Lelouch cause he stopped the Ragnarok Connection. Everyone who revered Marianne was either bound to some other royal family member, obeying Charles will who was trying to protect Lelouch from VV by cutting him off completely, or was well aware Marianne wasn't "dead" at all and was in on the Ragnarok Connection plan. Jeremiah was one exception to this because he was more loyal to Marianne and her children than he was to even Britannia itself and it made sense to join Lelouch for his own sentimental reasons since he didn't really have much left after being humiliated by Zero. Marianne may have been popular with some people in the military especially since she was a commoner who managed to miraculously become a queen but that doesn't mean there are tons of people willing to fight rebel against the entire royal family, the emperor and the Britannian aristocracy for her sake or her children's sake.

>>151207355

Arguably the best way to go about things.

>>151208544

It's unfortunate when that happens.

>>151206290
She would've ordered to just ignore the hostages and let them die if Euphy wasn't one of them.

>>151208863
>The main problem with Suzuki's idea of working within the system was that it presumes the system of Britannia even allowed change.
Britannia is a monarchical empire. It ALLOWS change, so long as the one who reaches the top levels want change to happen.
Suzaku and Lelouch went on a purging civil war for months, and in the end, they set up a world ruled by three empresses.

>>151213304
So? That's the fault of the resistances.

>>151201659
Lelouch wanted that during the entire series you retard

>>151211029
That was the most poetic thing that happened.
Lelouch wanted to crush Britannia, but since his Order betrayed his ass, he went ahead with Suzaku and they went full crazy and essentially did a coup d'etat. He didn't even destroy Britannia anymore. It's still an empire, just led by new leaders.

>>151212963
Was Jeremiah cool with the fact that Lelouch turned his mom and dad into pixie dust or did they just never mention it to him?

So what the fuck will even happen?

Lelouch will just meet older Suzaku and go MY BAD LMAO I FORGET TO TELL YOU I AM IMMORTAL.

>>151210727
>>151207533
>Clovis loved Lelouch and set up the Honorary Britannian system
I'm still weirded out by that.
>>151211668
>Guerrilla warfare works unless the country marching in formation is willing to go full genocide.
You do understand that Britannia is willing to go full genocide, right?
That's why Suzaku didn't want a war with Britannia. He knows they'll do that.
>>151210653
The insurgency already had strong leadership. But they were getting wiped out slowly.
What Lelouch had were asspulls that were caused by his Geass tricks, making people that normally would never do shit they wouldn't do.
>>151211325
That was nothing but hubris.
>>151210526
Problem with that is that he thinks most of them hate him.

Why were Charles and VV fighting each other anyway?

>>151213679
Charles was mad because VV shot his waifu, but VV did it only because Charles "changed" after Marianne. To sum it up, some faggotry due to lies between brothers who wanted a world without lies.

>>151212610
>Clovis is an example of a person who isn't good or evil, but ended up committing evil acts because his society allows it.
So he's evil with sympathetic tendencies. Most badguys don't think what they're doing is wrong and Clovis knew he was slaughtering innocent civilians in the process>>151206290
>>151213457
>>151206379
>>151206367
>MUH WAIFU
Jesus Christ I've never seen such a double standard in this thread before.

>>151206778
Both of these moments have no correlation to one another and Suzaku wanted to take Zero down because it meant getting what he ultimately wanted in the end,

>>151206086
Why would Suzaku trust some random tryhard who was the reason why he got arrested to begin with?

>>151211260
>disabled

It was mentioned that Nunally's disability is because of Charle's geass right?

if Nunally managed to open her eyes, why can't she regain her ability to walk?

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>>151206999
>>151207104

>>151214229
>It was mentioned that Nunally's disability is because of Charle's geass right?
>if Nunally managed to open her eyes, why can't she regain her ability to walk?
She either suffered genuine leg injuries, or alternately she just never used her legs for years and as such don't have the leg muscles to walk due to atrophy. The 2nd possibility means she could probably walk again with several years of rehab.

>>151213792
>So he's evil with sympathetic tendencies. Most badguys don't think what they're doing is wrong and Clovis knew he was slaughtering innocent civilians in the process
Clovis hold the entire Japanese population responsible for Lulu's death. Not a nice thing to do, but we have plenty of real world recent examples where an entire population get blamed for the action of the few.

>>151208863
>The main problem with Suzuki's idea of working within the system was that it presumes the system of Britannia even allowed change
Do people not get the fact that he was Knighted proves this wrong?
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>>151211722
We're never given any reason to believe otherwise because it was the first step
>The higher powers would have never gone along with it if there wasn't rebellion
Schienzel was the person who approved of it and as far as we know doesn't give a shit about the rebellion and wanted to do it because of Euphie.
> there's no evidence that they were going to sincerely follow through on real equality instead of just using the opportunity to get the rebels to disarm.
Most of the higherups didn't give a shit and once again the whole point of the plan was that it was the first step not and ideal solution to everything
> Also just equality isn't enough for some people if they don't have self determination.
That's the same type of mindset that dissloved the JLF
>>151210941
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>151214399
>Clovis hold the entire Japanese population responsible for Lulu's death
And that's wrong dumbass,
>Not a nice thing to do, but we have plenty of real world recent examples where an entire population get blamed for the action of the few.
Which is also considered wrong. Again just because Clovis ultimately saw what he was doing as revenge for Lelouch didn't make him right.

>>151214558
>Which is also considered wrong
Only for a small number of people. And in a democracy not enough people agree with you. Put it to a vote, and you will see how "normal" people love racial profiling and killing people because they are all considered the same.

>>151214621
Cool horseshit bro.

>>151214621
>Only for a small number of people
Nope unless you somehow have never been out in the real world that's generally looked down upon by society

>>151214655
>Cool horseshit bro.
Have you been missing the news this year? It had been enlightening what humans are capable of when voting.

>>151214681
>Nope unless you somehow have never been out in the real world that's generally looked down upon by society
Which society? Some of them, I am sure, are good people.

And then there is the Philippines...

It's all 100% democratic. The people have spoken. And the people choose what they wanted.

>>151214690
People are dumb but they're not completely evil. What happened this year was a result of society being fed up of the bullshit that's been culminating for the past 8 years.
>>151214712
>The people have spoken.
No the people who voted has spoken hence why less than half the country actually went out.

>>151214776
>People are dumb but they're not completely evil. What happened this year was a result of society being fed up of the bullshit that's been culminating for the past 8 years.
No excuses. Being fed up is not an excuse to do wrong. People were fed up, and CHOOSE to do wrong as a response. That is their right and I will not defend it. Anyone can be kind when the times are good. It is when times are tough when humanity is put to the test. What you see in 2016 is what humanity truly are. The real face. When chips are down, humanity revert to our true selves.

>>151214776
>>The people have spoken.
>No the people who voted has spoken hence why less than half the country actually went out.
Even less excuses. Everyone has spoken, whether they voted or not. And anyone who pretended that not voting makes them guilt-free is just fooling themselves.

There is an ancient philosophical argument in ancient China, between Confucius and Lao-zi.

Confucius say that humans are inherently good. Lao-Zi say that humans are inherently bad.

Confucius clam that humans would do good if the cost to do so is low enough. Lao-zi say that humans will do evil if the costs of doing good is high enough. In the end they are both saying the same thing, which is that when times are tough humans do evil.

>>151214776
>>151214996
Wait are you claiming Trump is evil? I haven't seen him once eat a baby, or cut out a virgins heart. In fact, I haven't heard anything that would indicate he's done anything outside the norm as President other than take a phonecall from Taiwan, (sort of) going against the One China policy. Besides, the President can't really do anything, it's a mostly figurehead position.

>>151201982
Friendly reminder too that Nunally didn't mind with it. Suzak was her first love.

>>151215605
>Wait are you claiming Trump is evil? I haven't seen him once eat a baby, or cut out a virgins heart. In fact, I haven't heard anything that would indicate he's done anything outside the norm as President other than take a phonecall from Taiwan, (sort of) going against the One China policy. Besides, the President can't really do anything, it's a mostly figurehead position.

It is telling enough that your best defence for your choice of leader is "he can't do any real damage".

We both know you know why you did what you did. You have the right to make that choice, it is your vote. You got what you wanted. I am not going to tell you you choose wrong, you know what you are doing and you choose who to represent you.

Seriously, you could have been far more convincing had you not added the "it's only a figurehead position anyway" at the end. It's almost cute.

>>151215782
>I am not going to tell you you choose wrong
But you are, by claiming it was an evil act. But yes, the defence for his election is he can't do any direct damage. Considering the other side of the coin wanted war with Russia "not actively harmful" is a big fucking endorsement.

>>151215959
>But you are, by claiming it was an evil act. But yes, the defence for his election is he can't do any direct damage. Considering the other side of the coin wanted war with Russia "not actively harmful" is a big fucking endorsement.
I am saying you want evil done in your name, and I will not force you to do otherwise. The choice is always yours.

And your bar for leader is very low if you would ONLY think a leader is evil if he actually ate baby meat or cut hearts out of virgins. Most of the most evil leaders in history had never done any of that, so you are claiming no leader in the world was ever evil. Your bar is so low that you had to use fictitious cartoony evil to make your choice look good.

By the way, isn't Hillary "The Devil"? Does that mean you actually think she does eat baby meat?

>>151215605
Sup /pol/

>>151216069
And to add to it, let me propose why you had to describe cartoon evil in your example; because your choose of leader had literally broken every single moral rule that a leader could realistically break. You are not able to list any realist examples of bad things your leader had not done, because you know he did them all. He even told you most of them and am proud of it.

>>151206086
Although CG tries to avoid most typical Nipponese dialogue tropes, they had to drop the ball in their final meeting at the Kururugi Shrine.

Instead of telling Suzaku that Euphy was an accident and that his actions were only to make the best of the situation, he falls back on his established lie that was then used to turn the Black Knights against him. The recorded audio could still have been edited later to achieve the same effect, but it could have been reasonably thrown into doubt if the full recording was requested (and denied) at a later date. Lots of things could have gone better if he did not keep up the lie and their character development could have been nuanced and rational, with the same ending still being valid writing if they still choose to go down that path.

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>>151214996
>People were fed up, and CHOOSE to do wrong as a response.
What wrong? What true self? The true self that wants their problems to actually be listened to and addressed? Wrongs like not wanting people to come into your country, raise crime rates, destroy or overtake your culture, replace your own people, and live off of your tax dollars? Like not wanting a candidate that is steeped in corruption, that talks about how you need public and private policies so you can better fuck over your people, and who was on the fast track to starting fucking World War 3 to be your leader? People chose to do such horrid acts like refusing to let some official in another country continue to dictate policy for them. My God, we really are the monsters.

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>>151216072
Image for you, politics is a fickle beast that draws all men in. /pol/ less so, as it's just /b/ but leashed to a flavour. Neither places are pleasing vistas to view, so why bother visiting.
>>151216069
Why would Hillary be the devil? She may be old, and there's probable reason to suspect corruption or in the very least culpable negligence of the highest order. As to evil, I don't think any leader of any nation has been evil. Misguided most definitely, vindictive by nature of vocation and burdened by the position and the needs of their subjects. But never evil. Who would you consider an evil leader? The closest to an "evil leader" I can think of is probably Saloth Sar and his Khmer Rouge.

/pol/ go back to your containment board

>>151216497
>Like not wanting a candidate that is steeped in corruption,
I know it is useless, but the alternative is so blatantly corrupt that he even told you he is corrupt. As I say, you get what you wanted.

Alright, I'm like 17 or so episodes into the first season.

Who the fuck am I supposed to be cheering for? So far I'm leaning towards the big empire.

>>151219311
You're supposed to cheer for the POV characters, so Lelouch and his Rebellion and Suzaku and his personal goals of reforming the empire.

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>>151213679
Charles and V2 had sworn never to lie or deceive each other. Then V2 got jealous of Marianne's relationship with his brother, since he'd forever be a child and feared that Charles would leave him behind.

Charles saw this as a betrayal but didn't act on it until V2 lied to him again, years later, by ordering Lelouch's death.

I want /pol/ to go and stay go

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Do you think i could ever get her to step on me.

>>151211151
They were never told anything.
They all thought that he and Nunnaly were dead.

>>151216069
Look Hillary is hawk and corrupt but I never thought she was a baby eater like some people have apparently deluded themselves in doing.

>>151208863
Calm down /a/non, it's just a chinese cartoon.

>>151220363
She's clearly submissive, her strong wymin schtick is all an act.

>>151208544
https://nhentai.net/g/13034/
there is so little.

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>>151212132
>official

Just because it looks official doesn't mean it is official

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>tfw we used to be a happy family

>>151220439
>They were never told anything.
>They all thought that he and Nunnaly were dead.
And the main reason is that Lulu and Nunnally were sent to Japan as hostages. They were meant to be reassurances that Britannia wouldn't attack Japan. And since Japan WAS attacked, it is assumed that the hostages were killed.

Yes, it meant that technically it would be Brittannia's fault if the two kids did die, but it would still be the Japanese who executed them. Just because their deaths would have been legally justified doesn't mean Clovis would have been happy about it.

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>>151220748