Isekai

>>151196189
>or just one that attracts bad writers?
This, and en-masse.

Both.

>>151196189
light novels attract bad writers

>>151196189
Yes

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Isekai doesn't have to be bad, it's an old theme that was done even 100+ years ago (Mark Twain's conneticut yankee in king arthur's court). It's just what's popular now is blatant wish-fulfilment, which is pure trash (pic related).

Kid gets beat up by bullies, goes to magical world where he gets hax powers, and keeps collecting godly abilities while growing a harem. You get rid of all of these, and it's still isekai, just nothing like what's out there now.

>>151196189
There's no bad genres, only bad writers and overused/fad tropes.

>>151196189
Latter.

Isekai's have appeared throughout literature from Alice in Wonderland to the Chronicles of Narnia to the Dreamlands Cycle of HP Lovecraft, this "other world" thing anime as of late is just the same old tired shit that SAO has popularized ala something to do with videogames-esque aesthetics and the most shallow parodies of DnD style fantasy.

>>151196189
>dungeon seeker
probably the worst manga ive read this year

>>151196189
There is never a truly bad genre.
Just Genres that are varying in degrees of how good you need to be to write something good from it.
Isekai's as a concept can be fine but it's just the stigma from Re:Monster and the like make us hate when series recreate things from it and other bad examples, namely the RPG mechanics

>>151197039
And RPG mechanics not even that bad if done right, like it existing solely to check your progress/status/levels or for comedy purpose. Konosuba and Danmachi for example.

>>151196189
It also attracts bad critics

Complete the blank:

>I was just a normal High School student until I die and was reborn in a fantasy world as a ______

>>151197479
Futa Centaur

>>151196968
best comedy I read this year

>>151197479
ant.

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>>151196968

You think that's bad? Then you haven't read Gunota yet. It's an isekai where an airsoft-otaku (they exist) gets transported into generic fantasy-land and teaches a dog-girl how to use guns.

>>151197622
>airsoft-otaku
I thought he was military otaku, hence knowledge about many kind of guns and other things. Also, that manga having atrocious art didn't help either.

>>151197286

It's also a good for pinpointing exactly when to drop a series (when stats go up 999+ out of nowhere)

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>>151197622
holy fucking shit

>>151197721
>999
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/lv999-villager/
It was actually interesting and would be nice if it ended at first volume after which I dropped it.

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Marks of a bad Isekai

1. "Skill Collector"
2. A Supposedly weak ability is actually broken
3. RPG like level up mechanics including mysterious narrator telling the MC when they level up/get new skills
4. Exponential harem growth

You all are saying that its not the genre thats bad, but the writers are bad, then give me an example of an isekai that isnt a total fucking thrash which makes you wanna puke while reading it

>>151196189
Bad writers, of course. Some of the greatest science fiction and fantasy stories have been isekai.

>>151196641
Harem is an intrinsically bad genre.

>>151197927
>name novels you like for me to trow shit at them
1/10.

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>>151197870

don't forget being "too strong", and having to hide it

>>151196725
>>151196530
What other western ones are there? Thomas Covenant comes to mind.

>>151197998
I like new gate. It's not exactly good writing, but it's pretty comfy.

>>151197927
That one about the Tax clerk chick who gets reincarnated as the antagonist in a Romance Video Game and uses her knowledge of modern society and economics to build up her fief.

I forget what it's called, but she basically is only able to succeed because she understands finance in a pre-industrilization setting and pass ideas off as her own invention.

Like a Yankie in King Arthur's court.

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>>151197927

Kumo Desu Ga is pretty good, and uses isekai to make fun of the genre. It also uses good planning, letting the protagonist struggle to win every battle and only get slightly stronger. Winning by planning instead of some godly one hit kill.

There's also no harem or any of the usual bullshit.

>>151198026
It feels like a bunch of nothing to be honest.

The problem is: when the MC is overpowered to the point of ridiculousness in comparison to everyone around him things become dull.

Discworld were the best Fantasy Novels in that regard, even their most powerful characters didn't win by themselves, they failed and fall as much as anyone else. Usually the derpiest characters around them did as much as the main cast to help solve the problems.

>>151197968
It doesn't have to be. The biggest problem of haremshit is that the MC is an average looking beta male who is either oblivious or too flustered by the opposite sex.

Make the MC a handsome alpha male who ends up with an actual harem instead of just one girl from the harem and then the genre is saved.

>>151197927
Escaflowne.

>>151198122
Not that guy but Kumo's not really good. It's less bad than modern average though.

>>151197870
>A Supposedly weak ability is actually broken
Nothing wrong with this.

There's been several good isekai series in the past. Its just that recently it has become the formulaic RPG level up harem fantasy that it is. So yes, it attracts bad writers who cant stop copying each other.

>>151198128
>Even the most powerful characters didn't win by themselves

The Granny Weatherwax of Good Writing

>>151198143
So basically, something like Casanova?

You may be on to something. I guess in the end, it's mindless wish-fulfillment self insert that ruins any genre.

>>151198159
There was no reincarnation trope in Escaflowne, in fact, people on earth were well aware that Hitomi was kidnapped by a magical light beam.

>>151198165
Not on paper, but it's almost always an indicator the writing is shit.

>>151198189
Isekai is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is just a plot device used in modern isekai.

>>151198172
>tfw /a/ thinks they can write a better isekai but don't cough up shit
Scared of being wrong don't you fellas?

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>>151196189
>>151196530

Dungeon Seeker and Arifureta should be in their own category: edge-sekai. Magical guns with german names, a dagger called godslayer, and getting limbs chopped off while yelling about hating the world. I can almost hear papa roach playing in the background when I look at those panels.

>>151198060
Common Sense of a Duke’s Daughter?

I've really been losing interest in it of late. Characters weren't that interesting.

>>151197479
NPC.

>the NEET otaku's videogame experience gives them an upperhand in shit that the people in the other world have been experiencing their whole life
Fucking hate this shit and all it's variations.

>>151198255
>y-you cant criticise anything unless you can do it better yourself

Come on, guy.

>>151198255
The fact that I can shit doesn't mean I don't recognize a turd when I see it.

>>151198022
John Carter. Chronicles of Narnia.

>>151198122
Spoofs and comedies are actually passable because they recognized the stupid shit the genre builds upon.
Konosuba is another good example.

>>151197870
What are some isekai that doesn't focus on harem hi-jinks or has a female partner that the MC romances.
I'd really like to read an isekai about someones travels or has a group of comrades that don't back stab and isn't after his dick.

>>151198128
Can't deny that. I won't pretend it's well written, but I enjoy it as a slice of life I guess.

>>151198302
It's true, if you can't, then shut the fuck up. Actual ability and idealistic ability are completely different.

>>151198308
Great for you faggot, who gives a shit about what you see, I see the same thing. How about you get off your ass and produce something we don't see everyday?

>>151198022
Gwenpool

>>151197927
Overlord LN is probably my favorite thing to come out of Japan, LN, manga, anime or otherwise, in the past few years
It also reads insanely different than a typical Isekai though and all but drops the game aspects pretty early on

I'd argue a lot of the Isekai that are born out of authors that are legitimate /tg/ players are a mark above the rest, though by no means is that always the case

>>151196189
any genre would be bad if it attracted the kind of people iskai has gravitated to

makes you wonder
what would a sports manga gravitated toward that manga look like?

>>151198402
-1/10

>>151198402
(you)

>>151198413
Overlord is very passable by modern isekai standards. It has some of the same problems, but it's saved by the fact that the crux of the conflict is how Ainz tries to cope and his interaction with his guardians, the conquest and battles are almost a backdrop.

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>>151198433
I know!

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How about the opposite of isekai?

>>151198533
Shieeet, I think I remember that, they were some kind of sports team too?

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Nips really have worked hard to make fantasy hit rock bottom.

Worldbuilding reduced to stock game-like settings with demon king and adventurers' guild.
Exploration of magic and other supernatural powers replaced with levels and MMO mechanics.
Zero to hero journey skipped completely, protagonists now are absurdly overpowered since the very beginning.
Characters - bland and forgettable, usually a fanservice receiver + a bunch of walking tropes with tits.
The whole "transported to other dimension" thing that seems to be mandatory nowadays in most cases isn't even relevant after the first chapter. It's just a self-inserting aid and an excuse to reduce exposition to shameless infodump lectures.
It's all about Japanese NEETs getting a harem of cute girls in another world. And even this part is poorly executed.

I just want a fucking series about a good ol' team of murderhobos doing murderhobo things in a vast, interesting world, with developed characters, entertaining interactions and a wild ride plot.
Rant over. Good knight, /a/.

Yes, I know I'm taking about fantasy, not isekai, but in anime/manga/LNs isekai series are usually set in fantasy worlds, and sadly, more and more fantasy series start with "transported to another world" crap.

>>151198482
Not to mention roughly a third (really approaching a half) of the PoVs are from just regular people living in the world who have no inclination or even suggestion of the whole 'game' aspects

It's worldbuilding is superb, basically

>>151198582
Shit that should have ended on episode 5.

>>151198397

I don't think what you're describing exists, because the isekai genre is way too prone to copying popular tropes from whatever sold best in the past.

You can't even get a (non isekai) adventure series without harem bullshit popping up. Look at Goblin Slayer, for example. Already got 3 girls and it's only been a handful of chapters.

The last vanilla adventure series was a god damn long time ago. I'm talking about Lodoss War, or Slayers.

>>151198606
>more and more
Only that you notice. In fact, there's always more fantasy that isn't isekai. I'm serious, anon. Don't be an asshole and be throwing around posts like this.

>>151198606
There's still very decent fantasy out there honestly. Goblin Slayer and New Saga are pretty decent so far, not to mention Dungeon Meshi which is absolutely top tier.

>>151198606
Have you tried goblin slayer? I got some real murderhobo vibes from it, and it shows promise

>>151198636
Reminder that /a/ thinks girls means harem.

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>>151198397
Boo Boo is about a human from our world and her romance with a pure young orc. It's technically /ss/ when you remember Boo Boo is very young. Plus, humans actively travel back and forth from the human world and the fantasy one. There are some rpg-esque mechanics, but it takes the form of the human magic (naturals to the fantasy world do not have that, and the top fantasy denizens far outclass anything humans could hope to muster.)
Volume 1 was alright, the best part was an army group using organized tactics and crude firearms to defeat people they normally would never stand a chance against. It helps that the series is written by a fairly experienced author instead of some random WN aspirant.

>>151198694
Right. A bunch of cute girls around one male are just waifubait for the audience, not necessarily an harem.

>>151198606
>murderhobos
>good
It's literally the same thing as isekai man.

>>151198636
Goblin Slayer doesn't feel haremy at all though
I don't deny that down the line there's certainly a possibility for it to start bleeding into that, but it really does just feel like it's a party that has three guys and two girls
Even the guild receptionist and cow girl seem grounded, if not just because the MC is so turbo autist and single track minded

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>>151198606

It's because they think western fantasy is shit, and treat it like so. Every time there's a katana, it's always the greatest gift from god, folded 1000 times

>>151198397
Probably give a shot at Log Horizon, at least watch the first season.

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Since we're talking about isekai, is Dunbine worth watching?

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>>151197927
Dungeon Defense is bretty gud.

>>151198675
Dungeon Meshi is amazing. New Saga is okay, but I feel like everyone is overrating Goblin Slayer.

>>151197927
Shield Hero before it wen't harem

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>>151198769

They're building up to it, and it's obvious what the archetypes are. There's the childhood friend, the blonde healer who sticks by him no matter what, and this new elf girl who doesn't like him but slowly starts to respect him. Chapters aren't even in double digits yet, and he's collecting girls like yu-gi-oh cards.

By chapter 15, he'll have his helmet off and be revealed as a beta bishounen, while he blushes and pushes all the girls away from him during a beach chapter.

>>151198397
>Japanese series without harem potential
How else are they going to sell their product to smelly otaku

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>>151197927
Boo Boo is alright, but my least favorite of the author's work so far.

>>151196189
>one that attracts bad writers?

This, and giving how the LN market have basically no standards of quality, this attract any person trying to make money out of their shitty fanfics.

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>>151198705
>>151199137
>romance with a pure young orc
>orc
>pure

>>151199146
You could say any writing market has no standard of quality. It's the dumbest thing to say. You could say the same about money. Everyone wants money. Dumb as hell. Obviously you attract good and bad. What the fuck do you think this world is?

How come it took until the Yamcha isekai for people to consider writing isekais based on preexisting fiction?

Better than making generic RPG fantasy #67.

>>151199206
why are orcs in japanese media pig men?

>>151199249
>why don't you just break copyright?
>who cares right?

>>151199252
Because people like NTR?

>>151197927
Inuyasha

>>151198363
>Konosuba

Aside from the comedy, Konosuba actually is good isekai, Kazuma didnt get a OP power, so he has to work his ass off to live in the new world, he constantly has to learn new stuff about the world and use it somehow, and no everything goes his way always.

>>151199122
>beach chapter.
Dropped

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>>151199206
>Boo Boo
>Not pure
You best back the fuck up before I fuck you up mate. Boo Boo's purity is only comparable to Jack, Shota Shinobu, Hayabusa, Illness Magic User and the White Queen.
That list ended up longer than I thought it would.

>>151199287
>didn't get an OP power
You know this is bullshit and so do I.

>>151199258
Get the publisher's permission. Look at Purple Haze Feedback or the Naruto LNs. Even the Yamcha one was on WSJ's website.

>>151196189

Back in the 70s when it was all the rage in english sci/fantasy it was also trash for the most part.

Like, you can make it good or at least okay (take the Dark Tower books for instance) but more often than not it's stuff like Gor, all fetish trash.

>>151199284
Why pig?

>>151199321
>expecting a complete nobody to get permission

>>151198910
yes if u like zeta and/or l-gaim

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>>151199146

Sheer popularity is all the quality that japanese publishers care about, and it gets worse knowing that they're sourcing motherfucking web novels that get lots of views.

That's the equivalent of a book series being made from a wish-fulfillment fanfic on livejournal. Last time that happened in the west, we got 50 shades of grey. Besides, look at all those cheap $1 romance novels clogging up walmarts for the past 30 years. Aren't isekai LNs basically the japanese equivalent? Maybe that's their outlet for degeneracy.

>>151197479
Yamcha

>>151199210
The genre runs on one formula as of now. Isekais are the easiest thing to write, you don't need any knowledge or skill if you've played at least one rpg. Keep in mind that its a modern concept and barely has a proper foothold, but once it has its own LoTR, there would be some standard to compare quality

>>151198849
>Every time there's a katana, it's always the greatest gift from god, folded 1000 times

I have to say that Gundam IBO dropping the katana in favor for the mace/wrench was a really nice move, specially when the katana was meant to be the main weapon originally.

>>151197479
Normal high school student

>>151199318
Aqua doesn't count.

>>151199122
The novel seems to imply otherwise. Call me an apologist but it really doesn't seem they're going to go that route. Priestess acts a lot more like a little sister than a love interest, especially in the closing chapters, the only one that's pretty clearly developing feelings for him are the farm girl and the receptionist. That scene you posted has a different connotation in the LN than what you're reading out of it by my interpretation

And he did take his helmet off. Everyone said he looked normal or otherwise like a 'good warrior', only the femme fatale witch says he looks handsome

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>>151199449
I don't think a fantasy world would be able to handle that sort of violence.

>>151199284
What?

>>151199415
Seriously, do you understand what you're telling? Books have always been this way. Genre-Formulas are a thing. Easiest thing to write, no anything, etc. etc. It's a bunch of stuff that's always been there. Isekai is no exception. People need to open their eyes because they can't see a difference if it hit them in the face.

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>>151199449
>>151199478
>>151197479

We can make things even worse: Middle School Student

>>151198022
Worm Ouroboros - E.R. Eddison
The Night Land - William Hope Hodgson
Green Star Series - Lin Carter
Land of Unreason - Sprague de Camp & Pratt

There are many if you look.

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I've been enjoying Hello Work a lot, and I'm not sure why.

It's not too different from other generic isekais, honestly. But it somehow has kept me past one volume whereas the others turn me off.

This scene was pretty great, though.

>>151199364
Because that's how they truly perceive themselves as.

>>151199318
Dumb as fuck Goddess that dilapidated all your money doesn't count as OP

>>151199466
Elf reaction to helmetless GS was blush like crazy abd priestess was drunk so we can't tell.
Theblizard commented that he has "dead eyes".

>>151196189

Isekai usually starts off interesting if the MC is a weakling with zero skills, but just starts improving. The problem is power creep. If he's too weak, then the series is unreadable except for other more interesting characters (Re:Zero, where everyone is interesting except Subaru). If the MC is too strong, then it becomes like playing an RPG with god mode on. Fun for a few minutes, but dull and hollow after.

Are there any isekai where the MC has to struggle to win every fight? One-shotting everything is what 14 year olds find cool

>>151199426
Except it gets it back for the final battle and magically becomes the ultimate weapons that cuts through the Graze Ein's armor like butter when the T-rex hammer didn't even scratch it.

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>>151198606
The anime you're looking for is Louie the Rune Soldier.

>>151199318
Aqua gives so much trouble and cant be controlled like a servant/familiar/slave, is more like a really rebellious living weapon, that is only effective against one type of enemym, and the torubles she cause are so vast, that you cany hardly counted as a OP power with so many drawbacks; Kazuma luck is just a way to say "plot armor" that exist in any fiction.

>>151196189
its an easy trap for bad writing

>>151199564
There isnt a single isekai that brings anything new to the table is what I meant, the standard practice is to just pick an mmo template with a generic high fantasy setting and take it from there. I dont quite understand what you're saying.

>>151198255
>tfw /a/ thinks they can write a better isekai but don't cough up shit
I don't like the whole isekai thing in general. Just make it an ordinary character in a fantasy world, no need for the whole transportation thing..
And yes, I could write/draw a better story than 90% of the garbage out there, they're that fucking bad and I hope you notice that.

>>151199702
Boring

>>151199690
yes, but S2 dropped the katana hard, you dont see it anywhere.

>>151196189
Japan attracts bad writers.

>>151199754
do what should they do ?
transport a japanese otaku to the mad max world?

>>151199754
I've asked this before, but why do you all only read isekai? There are other types of fantasy works out there.

>>151199683
No, because that would take actual effort to write. The best you'll get are the side characters struggling in fights

>>151198397
I think slime tensei is the only one that I have read that come to mind.

>>151199770
There's no issue with not liking isekai as long as you don't trash isekai for being isekai.

But that second statement. You're going to prove it because I bet you can't even write a bad story. All talk and nothing.

>>151199770
There is such things. They're called videogames and videogames adaptations,

>>151199683
>Are there any isekai where the MC has to struggle to win every fight?
Not Isekai but "All you need is kill" come to mind.

>>151199754
He's calling you an unperceptive retard
Every fantasy genre has tons of shitty books and copy paste settings and scenarios

>>151196189
mass production of a genre will cause most entretaiment to go to shit, they create a formula that nobody tries to change outside of paradoy our hard descontructions, that spend so much time descontructing stuff than actually developing a story

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>>151199782
It's not quite a katana but this is the new sword that comes with the HG Hashmal, that the Barbatos will use to slay the dragon

>>151199683
>Are there any isekai where the MC has to struggle to win every fight?
I hope you know this is literally something we already have and everyone hates it because of this very reason you want. It's called shounen.

>>151199770
You know, the transportation thing could be worth it if it was actually used for something beyond either giving the MC essentially all the knowledge of everything, or make him not know anything about the world.

Both of these can be done without transportation, meaning it's ultimately useless.

>>151197927
One from this season, Drifters

>>151199926
>useless
>oh gee there couldn't any other reason for isekai
>it's not like people want to pretend they're being transported to a fantasy world or anything
>oh no

>>151199920
Most isekai is directed to young male readers so it's basically shonen as well

>>151199857
Instead of a harem, he gets a whole country that sucks his slimy non-exsistent dick. but i like the series anyway

>>151199901
And how is that relevant? Does that mean isekai are allowed to get away with it?

>>151199821
Why do you assume people only read isekai?
I read a wide variety of things, and those just happen to include some of that garbage as well.

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>>151199916
fuck me, you win anon.

>>151199969
Isekai lacks the same tropes as shounen, so not really. Isekai falls into fantasy generally and everything that caters to young male readers aren't always "shounen".

>>151199821
Because they're fun to read and watch like capeshit. Its the universal guilty pleasure of /a/

>>151199983
Yes, it does mean isekai are allowed to get away with it.

>>151199968
Wish fulfillment is hardly a good reason from a writing perspective.

>>151199681
Elf is drunk too and lizard doesn't say that in that scene
I am having trouble finding if he does say that at all, the only time his eyes are mentioned is when the priestess says they had a ''mechanical" glow from under the helmet near the beginning

>>151199993
Because I rarely see anybody talking about LNs that aren't isekai is the main reason. People bitch about things that always happen in LNs but if somebody mentions one that doesn't it's completely ignored.

>>151199206
He's an Iberian orc.

>>151199869
And if I prove it?

>>151200046
They aren't supposed to be high literature
The whole goddamn point is wish fulfillment

>>151200046
So? Who cares if it's a good reason or not. It's a reason that you completely ignored.

>>151200041
Meaningless opinions and posts.

>>151199614
>>151198022

You are like little babies:

A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain.

>>151200071
Then we know at least one person is competent rather than none.

>>151200113
See >>151196530

>>151196189
Both. Isekai is a kind of specific type of setting. It can't be reused over and over and not get predictable/boring.

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>>151196189
There is no such thing as a bad genre or cliche, only bad writers. It's all about execution and like always, 90% of everything is shit. Every trope and genre can seem like a masterpiece in the right hands with proper execution and pacing.

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Is Muv Luv Alternative an example of a good isekai story?

>>151200072

Wish fulfillment is like salt, you add just a dash. Some of these isekai pour a truckload onto it, turning it into pure trash.

Arifureta is the worst of them all. MC builds magical railguns that shoot black lightning and have german names, and even builds a magical jeep and rocket propelled grenade launchers. Plus he's dressed like an SS officer, and has a robot arm for some strange reason.

There's shounen-shit, and then there's pure filth. Isekai has a spectrum just like autism

>>151200286
It's good, but it's sci-fi, so not my finest of tastes.

>>151198606
Every entertainment medium is no different. This isn't exclusive to anime.

>>151200072
That's not true.
Isekai doesn't have to be wish fulfillment at all.
It can be that. But then, pretty much anything else can also be that.
>>151200091
Let me rephrase that. Wish fulfillment is not a tool of writing in the same sense as the other given reasons are.
With actual tools, they allow you to bring something to the story that you wouldn't otherwise be able to do. Wish fulfillment does not bring anything to the story itself. It's essentially a meta concept.

>>151200289
Arifureta executed it so well that you remember all of it. Impressive. Arifureta is my favorite isekai too, don't worry. We're in the same boat.

>>151200339
People in this thread seem to think so.

>>151199702
I tried to like it, especially because of the hot muscle girl. Never seemed to go anywhere interesting though.

>>151200289
>has a robot arm for some strange reason.
His arm gets torn the fuck off really early on
Did you even read it?

>>151200289
Is that the knockoff or the original

>>151200289
>not watching anime and reading manga for the exaggerated hijinks
I don't even know why you're here.

>>151196189
I'm really liking the Death Flags ln.

It follows a guy who gets shoehorned into a villain of an alternate universe resembling a game he played.

No harem, albeit there is some romance. The drama of the series mostly arises from his body's apparent influence over anything he tries to say in a kind of echo of the Greek legend of Cassandra. Compliments come out as sarcasm, comments become snide insults, requests turn into threats.

He also has to juggle his desire to do the right thing with making sure he doesn't change reality so much it makes his awareness of the future obsolete. As his entire goal is to use that future awareness to avoid a death flag for himself and the continent.

When people get to know him, they start to realize he's actually an asshole with a heart of gold.

>>151200339
Except isekai copy paste the same setting and structure

>>151200067
>Because I rarely see anybody talking about LNs that aren't isekai is the main reason.
LN that aren't isekai are LNs with long ass title about highschool romance with MC being an otaku, or a social outcast, then he join some weird ass club, where all the hot girls are for some reason, they do some shit to pass the time.

There a beach episode, a summer festival episode, a cultural festival episode, a Christmas episode. etc They are occasions where MC solve problem so that everyone can see how cool and intelligent and resourceful he is and maybe he's not that bad after all, compare to all the normies who are fucking clueless.

MC win a girl in the end.

We are already done with this

>>151200503
>bait

>>151200527
Are you retarded or blind?

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>>151200357

There's a degeneracy event horizon that Arifureta passed a long time ago. It's so bad, that I have to look at new chapters to see how much worse it can possibly get.

>>151196189
This particular series isn't as bad as most of /a/ makes it out to be. Memes, not even once.

>>151200490
sounds good,
but
too good to be true
whats the catch?

>>151200573
>It's so bad, that I have to look at new chapters to see how much worse it can possibly get.
I've seen this sentence so many times, it makes me laugh now. I hope you're the only person who says this kind of stuff.

Someone should make an isekai where this super rich, popular, and powerful hero guy dies and is reborn into a fucking loser

>>151200512
This, it's not just isekai that's 90% shit, every genre is like that. Finding decent shit to read can gets pretty hard after a while.

>>151200623
There's a reason we don't hire people like you to write.

>>151200503

It's the country music of manga

>>151200627
Isekai is a genre that was popularised in this decade alone, yet its already running on fumes

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>>151200503
Again, you are acting like this is somehow exclusive to Isekai or anime. It isn't and every fucking entertainment industry has a copy paste structure for everything they make. Isekai just has a really glaringly obvious copy paste structure, however, that doesn't change the fact every entertainment industry does it.

You are just shittreking Isekai because you don't like the structure, but don't pretend it is somehow some exclusive thing only the Japs do.

>>151200512
>someone who only reads translated LNs the post

>>151200573
You mean when he anally raped a dragon with a piledriver and it became a masochistic slave?

>>151200643
because you hate making money?

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>>151200512
Odd, I can think of several with none of that and yet still they get ignored.

>>151200512
But I liked Antimagic Academy.

>>151200623
There's "The Hero Is Dead!".

>>151200573
I somewhat enjoyed that series when it was just him and the vampire girl. Then the bunny girl came around and ruined it

>>151200623
Just go read the one where the dude is reincarnated as a vending machine.

>>151200609
The protagonist can be a bit of a Gary Stu at times, and the translations are sporadic.

But I can honestly say this has been my favorite ln series as of yet.

>>151200760
>ignored
They just haven't been discovered yet.

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>>151197927
The Faraway Paladin / Paladin of the

Now this my friend is of the top quality shit right here.
Instead of like a classic RPG isekai it reads like a proper High fantasy fairy tail.
And you actually can feel like the MC is a hero.
Not the regular type but one that was truly chosen by the Gods.( Dark Souls type)
If I left depressing Dark Souls world with tolkine stuff mixed in

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>>151197927
Depends, do you count Doubutsu no Kuni/Animal Land as isekai?

>>151200695 see
>>151200691
And your reasoning is meaningless, at least other genres actually have their own holy grails of sorts. Isekai only have a handful of iconic series at best

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>>151200786
A few of them have already been discovered and translated.

>>151197927
Saihate no paradin
MC is the greatest one I've seen on LN. He's a lawful good done right.

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>>151200812
>If I left depressing Dark Souls
Less depressing Dark Souls world / Lord of the Rings.

Also mc was raised by the undead from childhood.

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>>151200858
Yep

>>151200850
Seems vaguely depressing

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>>151200907

>>151200772

Remember when he was supposed to get revenge on the bully who fireballed him into the dungeon in the first place? I was looking forward to seeing the classmates' reactions, but stopped reading when it went off-plot for entire volumes. There's a point when he's driving in his landrover in some mountains fighting a fucking dragon or whatever, and I realized the writer must literally be a 14 year old.

>>151200812
>Not the regular type but one that was truly chosen by the Gods.( Dark Souls type)
>that was truly chosen by the Gods.( Dark Souls type)

The fuck? bin dark souls all the gods are death or mad to actually do something, you are the hero because you ae the sole undead that decide to do something about it without going mad or letting something like death to stop you.

>>151197870
The problem is they avoided this kind of shit with Grimgar and everyone (except a select few, myself included) hated it

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>>151200925
A bit, but the author's works tend to lean towards a more optimistic tone, the characters just have to work for it. That said there are some mental breakdowns.

>>151200610
I say these kinds of things too, because it's true.
I enjoy awful trainwrecks. That doesn't make them good.

>>151200993
That's because the minority love to complain, the majority don't say anything. Isekai works and there's just a select few who don't enjoy it.

>>151200962
I dropped it when they got to the rabbit town or whatever. Did they ever find out who shot the fireball and did he ever smash the cute Loli vampire

>>151201039
It's really obvious when you dropped it just based on your descriptions. It's the second arc.

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>>151200836
>Isekai is a genre that was popularised in this decade alone, yet its already running on fumes
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Isekai is literally HUNDREDS of years old, maybe even thousands. Isekai is nothing new and has been popular for a god damn long time. It was just never really "the fad" genre. People do this with every fad. Last decade it was harems, the one before it was the scifi shit, the one before it was mecha.

You people are like a broken record. You are just an idiot who hasn't dug too dig into anything but thinks he knows everything. Escaflowne was a fucking great Isekai as well and so was Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari. You people are just bandwagon complaining about something.

>>151200993
To be fair these types of isekai brings completely different type of problems, it's a lot easier to fuck up drama..

>>151201039
I'm pretty sure MC and loli vampire were having constant sex at the end of the 1st dungeon. It was one of the few things I did like about it.

>>151200993

Grimgar was just a pendulum swung in the opposite direction. Is there a japanese word for moderation? When people think a hero is too strong, they just make him too shit. From 100% to -100%

>>151201106
>popularised

>>151200993
That's because Grimgar was mostly boring. It dropped generic tropes, but did nothing to actually make it interesting.

>>151201106
I wish we were still in mecha and sci fi

>>151201119
She also wants a family with him

>>151201129
You guys have the most broken standards ever. Because Grimgar was right there in the middle, but people want him to be even stronger.

>>151201134
It wasn't. Let me cite you a single example everyone knows.
Narnia

>>151201134
It was already fairly popular. It became a FAD this decade and was ran into the ground with trashy copycat stories, which is a different problem not inherent to the genre.

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I would like to read about this guy adventures.
>was in 23 different worlds
>in one he had great party
>in other he had great bro
>in another he had lover
>etc
>in 24 world he got sidelined by his companion who had harem instead of him, the summoned hero

So are there any isekai where guy is from fantasy is sent to another fantasy world ?

>>151201106
We're talking about the japanese stuck-in-game/mmo carbon copies

>>151200964
I said it was a less depressing.
and he's the Apostle of the not so evil god of death.
She basically a mute lamp carrying hooded lady that walks around picking up Souls. That's best Girl by the way. Not like her shitty sister the undead God who has a disgusting hero fetish

Okay maybe Dark Souls was the worst comparison. But it's a good dark-ish high fantasy

So speaking of what is and isn't isekai does the vrmmorpg fad count as part of it as at least a subset even if it doesn't involve being transported to the game since it still follows the tropes of travelling to an unfamiliar world and doing stuff.

Also on a related note of stuff that's actually good how about that <Infinite Dendrogram> since that's novelized now and has a good enough artist attached that it might end up going the manga into anime route.

>>151201230
We're clearly not you dumb ass.

>>151201166
She truley was the best. What was her name again?

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>>151200993

Grimgar had Yume's ass tho

>>151201245
Damage control over writing all those essays?

>>151201244
VRMMORPG is it's own thing that also plays around with fantasy and stats which some Isekai just so happens to do but in an actual world instead of a game.

>>151200993
well I liked it

>>151201197
That manga was mind-numbingly boring.

>>151201039
>rescues everyone from demons
>vaguely threatens the fireball guy
>buries another different guy so they have to dig him up
>MC gets threatened by a schoolgirl girl about all his chuuni shit to embarrass him if he isn't nice to the other schoolgirl who loves him

And thats how they met again? I don't think he did anything to the fireball guy. Maybe this is wrong series. I only read the manga and where they met up again

>>151200691
Even generic shounen is hard to write.
Because you have to invent new system and structure for your world building.
There is a shounen manga for everything from fighting to sport to cooking to rock music, that require a certain amount of knowledge in the subject matter to write.

Every shonen follow the tournament formular: You battle others character in your vicinity, Everyone has their unique shit. Defeated people became ally.
After you clear your area, move on to regional, then national, then world tournament, then if you want to jack it up, interplanetary tournament.

Yet most shonen are very interesting to read, unless it's a blatant copy of other series.

Isekai is an especially shit genre because
1. There's no world building. It's all generic MMO shit.
2/ everything boiled down to powercreep. MC pull off supernatural feat with a push of a button, as long as he has the stat for it.
He choose a skill, some magic circle appear and the boss is death. That's it.

Shounen character's powerlevel are not hardcoded into a number and therefore have room for interesting battles.

Is there an Isekai where the dude transported into the fantasy world ends up not a person but basically just a "mind" being used to command troops like an RTS?

Basically Isekai where the MC is the commander/overmind/whatever-you're-supposed-to-be in Starcraft

>>151201249
Yue

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>>151200925
It's about a pure girl who did absolutely nothing wrong arranging cute dates with her beloved and doing other adorable things like giving him unexpected surprises.

>>151201281
He's right. We're discussing the genre in general, which is not bad just because the current fad of bad japanese wish fulfillment is bad.

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>>151199934
>Anime only faget

>>151201168

Right in the middle? A few goblins was like fighting Emerald Weapon to them. More moderate would've been them having a really easy time with goblins, then getting wrecked by the kobolds in the cave (with the priest dying) because they get surrounded.

Instead they're poor as shit, literally rotting out of their clothes, and dying of exhaustion vs the weakest mobs.

>>151201324
Not in the way you're thinking, but yeah there are army controllers like that slime tensei. RTS probably wouldn't work all that well anyways, it'd just be Overlord.

>>151201345
The only problem with the manga is the fucking thing doesn't get new chapters.

>>151200993
I really enjoyed Grimgar. How far did the anime cover in comparison to the LN?

>>151201333
Yeh but if you go back, the poster mentioned LN isekais. Isekais in general was a separate conversation

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>>151201230
No we aren't, that isn't what isekai means. Even if we were, you people are still stupid. People do this with EVERY new genre. Every time something new and popular comes around, people "run it into the ground" within a few years and people think its the worst thing ever made and nothing more can be done with it. This is also incorrect as the reason this happens is because when something becomes the fad people play copy paste to try and take a grab at possible profits. The genre hasn't run dry, no one is just trying to be creative.

Let's cite a current western one.
Capeshit.

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>>151197870
>RPG like level up mechanics including mysterious narrator telling the MC when they level up/get new skills

I actually like this kinda shit. The problem is that somehow most of the time the author doesnt understand how RPG stats work and just pull shit out of their ass

>>151200858
>>151200865
>Last translation was 5 months ago

What the fuck?

>>151201446
I like it but not when it's not all that creative and is just easy stuff.

>>151200938
First volume's release on February 2nd.
Not knowing moon is suffering.

>>151201293
For you. It's very specified "#chan logs" genre, though having better artist would help. It also had cool concepts almost every chapter and good comedy and some small/moderate deconstructions of the whole isekai genre.

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>>151200962
>revenge
so never?
The story was never about revenge, it was about survival and casting off his previous self. (He never felt hate towards his classmates either, just apathy because he was used to them not doing anything when the bullying happened).

The problem with arifureta was all the tropes it fell into, making it worse and worse with each volume.
Also not improving the relationship of the main couple, adding harem members and such.

The problem is not the MC being op, since the world itself was interesting to an extent and to watch it unravel because of him was good in a way, the problem was rather the lack of character development of any character, both the main cast and the support, nobody seem to ever learn shit about their own mistakes, or pride, or feelings or whatever.

And don't get me started on that one fucking dimensional dragon.

>>151201392
Like 2 books? I think there are 3 or 4 that have been translated into english that you can find online. The problem is the people translating it only put out like 1/5 a chapter a week when last I checked, and the books have upwards of 20 chapters. They're also unprofessional as fuck and mess with the translation to suit their whims.

>>151201421
LN Isakais aren't nothing but video games shit. There is also the problem that people treat /tg/ shit as video game shit because they are stupid so almost all Isekais are vidya to them.

>>151201392

LN goes much farther. I don't remember too much, but I think MC ends up with the new healer girl, and one more member of their party dies (guess who, it's obvious)

>>151201499
I felt a loose collection of ideas chewed though a #chan memearrow filter without actually having to go through with them and make them work wasn't interesting or entertaining.

>>151201324
Spirit Migration?

>>151200962
>I realized the writer must literally be a 14 year old.

A lot of these stories read like they're written by antisocial manchildren for sure.

>>151197479
Japanese Truck.
I fulfill my destiny of running over filthy elves, dwarves, and peasants, causing them to be reborn into other fantasy worlds.

>>151201587
>comfy body hopping adventures to help various people in a fantasy world
>still eventually gets a mecha he can pull out of hammerspace to beat up everyone with

God I hate Japanese writers

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>>151201475
Read the raw like the rest of us you uncultured fuck.
最果てのパラディン

It's also in the top 10 all-time ranking on that site.
It's really really good

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Why is it that most MC dump all of their point in SPEED?

If you wanna MAX / MIN something, i'd rather put it all into CHARM / CHARISMA.

Over the top Charisma bluff would be more or less equal to mind controlling / reality warping

>>151199252
D&D

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>>151197927
Grimgar

>>151201648
They're the MC, they already have max charisma.

>>151201487
It has a web novel. And Google translate has been getting better at it actually translating the words

>>151201588
Where do you think you are?

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>>151201683
Yeah, no. I'll rather wait.

>>151201648
Might as well not use your skill points when you have a skill collector ability.

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>>151201648
Because being fast is the way you win everything. No one can beat the man moving at light speed and no one can beat the man who can speed cast 100 fireballs within 5 seconds.

>>151201648
>Most

I can only think of one, from Sakamoto666's masterpiece.

>>151201720

Why wait when you can start now?

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://ncode.syosetu.com/n5115cq/&usg=ALkJrhjRhsV01KzrNhUAaVxbzGAnbCp0Hg

>>151201648
Charisma is typically a stat that can't be upped.

>>151201648
In Mushoku Tensei he maxed MP and nonverbal casting, plus with knowledge of regular science could whip up more unique spell combos. He's a goddamn ace that walks through half his fights later on when he builds a goddamn mech, but at least there's an attempt to add threat.

>>151201683
>MTL
Just burn in hell. These aren't translations, they are rewrites.

>>151201644
Well shit, I have a kindergartener's grasp of the Japanese language and know fuckall kanji.

Sounds like a cool series, but I won't be able to follow it until a translator picks it up.

>>151201648
>Max Charisma
>Find a god with very lose rules who is still able to make you a paladin
>Preferably a sex god
>Multi-class into Bard
>Go around creating more followers for your god

I would read this. I would read this even if all the sex was offscreen as long as it was plainly obvious it was happening.
And maybe kill a demon occasionally.

>>151201771
Because he isn't a retarded ESL.

>>151201553
Because the main point is interaction between acting and retired heroes in inter-dimensional chan who trying to help, solve problems or just bitch about shit, not to write a book on every case?

Does anyone hate the whole elements magic nonsense? I really hate Elemental Magic with a passion.

It just doesn't feel like a real magic. And it feels lazy

Would be more tolerable if the elements were nothing more than a mere medium. Or something that can be mixed with witchcraft to add a little oomph

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>>151201642
I was pretty upset. Never again bear mage, never again

>>151201762
Spider-chan maxes speed (not really her choice) until she becomes a magic god.

I'm pretty sure I read another one with a speed-based MC recently, but I can't remember what it is, fuck.

>>151201817
Maybe it;s just me, but watching fictional autists argue stupid shit in manga is pretty pointless when I do that with real autists here every day.

>>151201775
I liked the desperation tactics to the end when he was made to fight that really old guy by the evil god essentially holding his family hostage.

>>151201833
There is no such thing as real magic.

>>151201648
You thinking about hentai or other R-15/18/adult novels/manga.

>>151201881
>evil god
Hitogami did nothing wrong

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>>151201782
Meh
After awhile you actually get good at understanding most of this stuff.
I have a 95% literacy rate in machine translation.
This also comes from the fact that I've been using it for over 2 years and I've read literally thousands of chapters.
Plus it also shows the original so you can break it down in case you're missing anything. I have no problems at all

Whenever men not like I'm really forcing you.

>>151201881
Yeah, the final fights were pretty decent. I latched onto MT quick because the MC seemed to be at least introspective and consider a lot of social importances when making his moves, and then Ruijerd's whole backstory kicked my ass. The author is really good at writing fluff but goddamn stay away from the harem bullshit and the OP MC.

>>151201487
>>151201683
>>151201720

It has been license by J-novel though I don't know how good is the translation.
https://j-novel.club/s/the-faraway-paladin/search

>>151201833
Elements magic is awesome, anon, you just want something different. Just say that.

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>>151200907
What's the deal with volume three having two books.
Author wrote too much and they split it up like Horizon?

>>151201932
At least he never went full OP like all other god-like MCs. He never came even remotely close to being as powerful as the rest of the 7 gods and even people not in the list could kick his ass (both North gods, Atofe, probably even Eris if she got serious)

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>>151201910
The fact there is people out there who actually feel pride for reading MTLs, even if its bait really does make you feel better about yourself. I can't think of anything more degrading for this shit than reading MTLs and feeling pride for doing so and even trying to defend it with "excuses" really only degrades you further.

>>151201996
>implying you're not jealous they can read the material when you can't even read Japanese

Will /a/ survive the anime isekai explosion that will begin soon?
Most isekai LNs are too young for an anime, 2018 is when the flood gates open.

>>151201833
It's only bad when they freely use different elements
Because having elements will tie each mage to a specific task, "real magic" just makes them be all the same
Except for the MC that created his own original magic, fuck him

>>151202026
/a/ will see that isekai is good just like when they saw Rakudai was good and Asterisk too.

>>151202017
Who says I can't Japanese? The time you spent reading literal garbage that doesn't make any sense could have been better spent learning the language to native level.

>>151202056
The fact that you hate MTL makes it clear that you can't read Japanese because you'll use MTL to learn Japanese. It's impossible not to.

I have yet to see a good isekai anime. ReZero was shit, SAO is shit, Overlord is self insert shit, Grimgar is pity party shit, and I haven't seen .Hack yet.

>>151202050
Those were both some of the shitty harems ever. Actual copypasta, someone post the image.

>>151202077
You just have shit taste.

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>151202068
Could you at least think your bait out a little better? We aren't on /v/, you aren't going to get anything but smug faces.

>>151202077
>Self Inserting as Ainz

You're watching it wrong then

>>151202081
>copypasta
You know that people stopped throwing that around by episode 4 right? When they finally realised that rakudai was better than the pure garbage that asterisk was.

>>151202158
>not denying it
Already done.

>>151197479
Merchant.
I'd love to watch shifty wish fullfilment isekai centered around someone being a fiscally overpowered Jew, rather than just a normally overpowered shitter.

>>151202160
Agreed, you are supposed to self-insert as Mare

>>151201966
I am sick and tired of the whole 5 elements 6 elements 7 elements bullshit.

And it's all raw power attack magic too.
I mean come on when was the last time you even signing when was curses?

And to hell with no chanting. Chants are cool.

Take the Giga slave chant for example

"Thou who art darker than even darkness,
Thou who art deeper than even the night!
Drifting upon the Sea of Chaos,
Oh, Golden Lord of Darkness!
Hereby I call to thee,
Hereby I swear before thee!
Those who would stand against us,
All those who are fools,
By the power you and I possess,
Grant destruction equally upon them all!
GIGA SLAVE!"

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>>151196189

I quit like the genre but Japs seem to like ripping each other's work off or writing fanfiction mary sue stories. I have absolutely no problem with the MC becoming powerful or whatever or a problem with the genre itself but there's gotta be some sort of struggle or tension involved. Actually I take that back, you don't even need a struggle or tension you could get away without it if the story is comedy focused.

http://www.novelupdates.com/series/your-and-my-asylum/

Anyone else reading this?

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>>151202162
Rakudai was just as much garbage as Asterisk. They were just as much copypasta as each other. I actually lost track throughout the season basically every week which show I was watching they were so pasta. Making the main heroine a dick loving slag doesn't suddenly make it better. Rakudai was just as bad as all the other harems, having a slightly different heroine doesn't change that.

>>151202201
You don't seem to understand what you want and that's why entertainment fails you.

Reverse isekai: Superman

Alien baby Kal-El is sent to Earth by his parents to save him from their planet's destruction. Kal-El gets picked up by human parents and raises him as their child Clark. Clark's OP hax powers brands him Superman on his latter years, after he was lovingly raised in a farm. His messianic status rendered him a universally loved hero, an ideal for others to follow, and a symbol to rally under or to rebel against.

It is unknown how huge his harem is. And to this day, he still haunts us.

>>151201978
Is this the Paladin one? Looks decent enough.

I have yet to hear anything about it being a harem. And from what I've found out so far doesn't seem like it

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>>151201858
Nah, it obviously not just you otherwise it would be more popular. I for one like this sort of thing and it was comedy with cool concepts that other might pick up, like that one about Hero's party being much, much stronger than him and Hero having existential crisis or about adventures of loli hero, or about that world which lost their hero because they've been so shit and then forced this title on some random peasant, etc.

Overall who are the most balanced MC and the most broken?
For example some Mc that have some balanced growth (in comparison of other isekai MC)
MT Mc is a powerful mage, but sucks in close combat and his trump card the mecha use almost all his magic
Tate Mc have a powerful defense, but need support of his allies to do damage and his trump card the cursed shield do a recoil damage to his mind and body
The broken MC like the re:monster, arifureta, deathmarch or new gate, become one of the more powerful beings in the world making all his allies useless, and can do almost anything

>>151202268
That's a stupid question to ask because it would only be judged on the mainstream MCs

>>151202206
Translator here

>>151202244
What the fuck, clearly a Dragonball copypasta

>>151202268
Shield bro's ultimate move was literally just absolute reflect

>>151202077
Well, you clearly don't enjoy:
>an exercise in sadism
>authors unable to write women, or even do research in actual videogame 'pro players' or even design.
>Ktulu level horror from the perspective of humans, and an oblivious commander unable to understand the hell he's unleashing on the world.
I haven't seen grimgar yet.
>UNINSTALL

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>>151202247
Yeah, it's the Paladin one.

>>151202242

I understand exactly what I want: A good story with good characters. The isekai trope/genre/whatever is essentially just the premise, not the whole story. The nature of the world, the people in it and the events that unfold are what make the stories distinct from one another as well as the tone. You could have something like Re:Zero which /a/ came to dislike when it became MAL FotM but I like it a lot because it has enjoyable characters and the tension comes from the fact that since Subaru doesn't control the checkpoints he can easily make a mistake that can't be undone. In KonoSuba the MC is not very powerful at all and as far as I am aware that stays the case in the LNs too and you never get any sense like the characters are in real danger because the story is so lighthearted but the characters themselves and the humor carries it because it's not supposed to be taken seriously.

>>151202236
yes, like i said, better than garbage. That doesn't make it good, or even average.

>>151202377
It wasn't better than garbage though. In fact, I would say it was even more garbage than Asterisk as Asterisk had better girls.

>>151199683
>Are there any isekai where the MC has to struggle to win every fight? One-shotting everything is what 14 year olds find cool
Rudeus is your guy

>>151202346
>>151201978

>elf
>dwarf
>knight
Oh shit. Are those legitimate non Harem party members?
As in an actual TRPG party?

>>151202242
>>151202363

Alternatively a story like Re:Monster where the MC is basically just the most powerful thing in the universe even as far as the manga has gotten is kind of shit because there's not much funny stuff going on, there's no real characters and the only fight so far that's had any sense of danger was with the bear thing where the MC lost his arm, only to get a new, better mechanical arm that he has touch sensation through and limits him in no way whatsoever

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>>151196189
It has some nice orcs.

>>151201648
Shieldbro is forced to min/max his attack and defense if that counts. And even then there's ttacks that penetrate defense or deal damage equal to how much defense he has, which is a fuckton by the way

>>151202482
>Archer
Shill me on this. It sounds pretty good.

>>151202421
We clearly value different thing in anime.
And pretty quirky girls won't convince me of anything.
Let's agree to disagree.

>>151198022
I can only think of Wheel of Time.

For vidya: Ultima series is the most famous.

>>151202515
Those kinds of attack were total bullshit, I don't know why the author thought it was okay to do that.

>>151202515
That shit would be decent if it wasnt blatant harem / forced character development garbage

>Ey ey dis loli beast gul in luv with u
>lel she is a big breasted whore now so u can fuq her
>IT IS JUST HOW IT IS XDDD

>>151197479
>I was just a normal High School student until I die and was reborn in a fantasy world as an imp
>entire story about a cocksure former athlete having to cleverly evade and escape from adventurers

>>151202558
>only mentioning the first arc
It's like you didn't even read Shieldbro.

>>151202244
So much wish-fulfillment.

>>151198022
From fictionpress, A hero's war by jseah.
Isekay, fantasy, demi humans, magic, medieval times, no rpg mechanics whatsoever.

>>151202584
I want more reincarnated into a loli who's helpless stories.