Is Lelouch the most well-written protagonist in anime?

>>151098679
Hard to say he's the most well-written but he's definitely one of the most endearing and captivating protagonists.

I don't know about that. He is is the most fabulous one though.

>>151098679
Yes. Not even Shinsekai's Saki nor Rakugo's Sukeroku can measure up.

No. But he's magnificent anyway.

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>>151098679
Not even close

If you've only watched 50 anime then yes
>>151098760
Shinsekai Yori had a good plot but generally with a few exceptions terrible characters

>>151098679
He is pretty much still the king of well-written MCs in anime, but there is some problems to his character which can be considered a deal breaker. Though he has something to him, which most MCs nowadays down have.

>>151098845
>but generally with a few exceptions terrible characters
Only plebs think Saki isn't a great character. It was a buildingsroman. But I guess unless we have pointles monologues, people can't understand shit.

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>>151098679
No, he's not even he most well-written character in his own show. I'm almost certain that the people who praise Code Geass are those who watched it years ago as teenagers and it left an impression on them hence why they drive a sense of delusion whenever they praise it as anything more than schlock. Looking back its hilarious how fucking chuuni this show is and how its no different from the abundant amount of shit we continue to get every season.

>>151098679
Unironically yes. He's one of the few MCs with ambition, greed, some sense of a moral code, a spine and determination. He isn't a preachy righteous faggot, nor is he an edgy cunt that kills people for fun because he's wicked and nihilistic with a sense of humor.

>>151098970
eh, Geass is probably an above average show, and the fact that Lelouch is hammy as fuck actually works in its favor

But its like a 7/10

>>151099027
>Geass is probably an above average show,
Nope.
>and the fact that Lelouch is hammy as fuck actually works in its favor
He's just a clown and anyone above the age of 14 would find his behavior cringeworthy

>>151099076
>not enjoying watching a ridiculously over the top character be hammy and fun

Tell me more about how mature you are.

>>151098970
Guilty as charged, but I rewatch regularly fearing I'll find flaws, but it stays my favorite. For a few reasons:
- pacing is like no other shows and I love it
- CLAMP designs are god tier
- dialogue flows great and is never superflous
- it's so dense you can always find something new
There are just no other anime like it.

>>151098970
I watched it for the first time when I was 25 and I inadvertantly binged it. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out. My favorite characters ended up being Orange and the tvguy though.

I was honestly pretty turned off by Lelouches VA whenever he was doing his bigshot voice, like when he runs into CC for the first time after getting his Geass, it always felt way overacted whenever he used his Zero voice but it was no doubt the intent. Still bugged the shit out of me.

>>151098679
if not the best, then definitely in the top 5

>>151099100
>It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out.
You didn't watch this show did you?

>>151098679
probably not even the best written protag in a taniguchi show. he was entertaining as hell though.

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>>151099100
>My favorite characters ended up being Orange
god-tier taste anon.

He's good because unlike 90% of anime MCs, he's neither the nicest guy you'll ever meet, nor twisted fucking psycopath. Plus his chuuni act is fun

>>151098679
No, but damn, Code Geass, for all of it's faults, was endearing to watch.
One of the few animu I more or less marathoned - probably beacuse I watch too many as they air, I watched CG in 2008, but still, usually I have to do something else after two or three episodes.
I would really love another animu that keeps me gripped enough to watch in a day or two, but there's no way to know before. I remember that I fully expected to get bored with CG after a few episodes.

>>151099140
Well I mean compared to other shows that have 9+ characters? Recent ones? I mean there was Cross Ange, sort of? Mayoiga? Did they really handle their cast as well as Code Geass did?

I can honestly barely even think of shows that have a big ass ensemble cast that are done somewhat competently aside from a handful of big names like DRRR or Baccano, and those may even be arguable.

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>>151099100
>. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out.
Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads. The female leads get put on a bus in the second season and don't amount to anything everyone else is either stupid or irrelevant or both.
>>151099099
>- pacing is like no other shows
Watch every Aniplex original show ever
>- CLAMP designs are god tier
They're Kimura imitating CLAMP's style
>- dialogue flows great and is never superflous
Oh boy....lot's of overdrought exposition and characters detailing their motive. Just like my Japanese animes.
>- it's so dense you can always find something new
Yes a new plot hole
>There are just no other anime like it.
Watch more anime

>>151098970
I watched it for the first time last week. I'm almost 30. I expected a silly trainwreck like a slightly less shitty Cross Ange, and it ended up being one of my favorite shows. You're trying too hard to sound like an adult.

>>151099076
>cringe
Your home is that-a-way >>>/plebbit/

>>151099417
Here is my reply.

>>151099355
>Well I mean compared to other shows that have 9+ characters?
Diamond is Unbreakable both handle their characters better. Code Geass only has two characters with anything resembling an arc with the rest only existing to make them look good.
>>151099447
>>151099100
Why do people fabricate bullshit like this? You're just making yourself look stupid admitting your tastes is terrible.

>>151098970
>schlock
>chuuni
That doesn't make anything bad or unenjoyable.
Just low-brow.
Code Geass is competently made schlock, for me it absolutely knew what buttons to push to keep me watching and watching, until I watched the entire first part in a Saturday.

>>151099417
>They're Kimura imitating CLAMP's style
they hired CLAMP to do the character designs

>50 geass threads a day again
I didn't miss it.

>>151099355
>Mayoiga
Mayoiga was an all-out atrocity.
Cross Ange shouldn't even named in the same sentence, because it was fun and knew what it was.

>>151099546
CLAMP did the concert art retard. Kimura did the designs for the actual show.

>>151099539
>PS I'm a Jojofag
Now you've overplayed your hand.

>>151099539
>Diamond is Unbreakable
Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads.

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>>151099577
>Cross Ange shouldn't even named in the same sentence, because it was fun and knew what it was.

>>151099555
And now with 4chan being dominated by /pol/ to make things fun!
Isn't that wonderful?

>>151099577
What else was somewhat recent with larger casts?

>>151099625
What? Josuke gets less screentime than Kouichi and Rohan

>>151099645
Look,you're comparing the guy who mooches Cheetos with the Zodiac Killer here.

>>151099670
Screentime doesn't need to equal relevancy to the plot, also the context of the post chain is implying that the antagonist is one of the leads.

>>151099657
I hate it!

>>151099625
Josuke is the main lead and is mostly just a bystander, he doesn't have a personal grudge against the villain and is absent through some major events

Jotaro takes a backseat through most of the arc

Kouichi has a character arc and gets more screentime than Josuke

Rohan was a villain of the week who took the spotlight and has more ties to the plot than Josuke

All the other characters get focused and contribute to the plot in some fashion


That is nothing like Code Geass which forgot most of its cast as it went along.

>>151099645
I'm not saying it's good, but I consider it enjoyable schlock.
And it always knew how schlocky it was.
Mayoiga was made by delusional people (judging by some producers' comments) who managed to do nothing right.

>>151099744
Just a while ago I saw another CG thread descend into a /pol/tard shitfest.
Neat.

>>151099737
>Screentime doesn't need to equal relevancy to the plot,
Rohan has more ties to the plot given that the death of his former babysitter was to drive to capture the serial killer who will come into play in the next episode.

Hayato has more of a personal emitty to Kira because he killed his dad

Josuke literally only wants to take down Kira because he killed Fatty outside that there is no personal emitty towards the both of the,/

>>151099737
>also the context of the post chain is implying that the antagonist is one of the leads.
Then you're a fucking idiot.

>>151099868
Are you implying that neither Lelouch nor Suzaku were antagonists at some point for the majority of the show? That's what the context was. The original post said that the cast of code geass was irrelevant outside of the two leads. Do you know what context even is?

>>151100034
The chain was about Jojo retard not Code Geass. A lead can be a protagonist or antagonist. What the hell are you even going on about?

>>151098679
>code gayass
>well written

'no'

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>>151098679
>implying

He's written to be likeable, sure, and he's a fun power fantasy with fabulous hair and keikaku. That's pretty much it.

>>151100140
>code gayass

Been a while since I heard that, nice to see that not all of the posters are neo /a/

>>151100178
>He's written to be likeable
KEK

>>151100118
see
>>151099417

>. It's rare to have such a large cast and manage to not leave so many of them out
reply was
>Most of the cast is irrelevant outside the two leads. The female leads get put on a bus in the second season and don't amount to anything everyone else is either stupid or irrelevant or both.

This is entirely talking about code geass's leads, not jojos.

>>151100208
see
>>151099670
>>151099737
This is what you responded that started the chain you fucking idiot.

>>151100118
Are you high?
>>151099417
>>151099417
Read the fucking reply you idiot. I wasn't even a part of this stupid shit

>>151100272
see
>>151099737
Are you legit fucking stupid that you don't even know who you replied too?

>>151100263
That was literally a drive by shitpost by someone who probably isn't even here anymore who was mocking that persons entire post, who's contents consisted essentially of "I disagree" but without explaining why.

>>151099447
THIS so bad.

I am watching anime since the age of 3, I've watched a thousands ofthem, slowed down since I became an adult with all due resonsabilities and Code Geass is still one of the most enjoyable show I've watched.

It does have its flaws, likemost anime, but most characters, acing, actions and MC made it great.

I'd like to know what are this other anon favorites shows for being thiis condescending with everyone who doesn't agree with us. Not enjoying is right, being all purist and most intelligent that all of us.

>>151100443
Cool story bro

>>151100443
This is an excellent phonepost falseflag.

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>Jojofags taking a one line shitpost as argument instead of the actual ones
This thread is comedy.

Why is it that not agreeing with you means being full of shit ? Maturity is not just a word. Talk about those O so divine anime for a change instead of being all "that's shit for kids"

>>151099447
>I watched it for the first time last week. I'm almost 30. I expected a silly trainwreck like a slightly less shitty Cross Ange,

That's exactly what Code Geass is to me, something like Valvrave I just watched it to unfold the absurdness and laugh my ass off.
Sure I had fun but It was not in particularly anything breathtaking just mindless fun.

>>151098679
Is this the most retarded bait ever?

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>>151098679
Its hilarious if something like Mahouka had aired before Code Geass you retards would have eaten it up. Tats would be considered well written and his antics would be considered entertaining

>>151098679
Given that he's part of a show that is known for being badly written I would find that rather unlikely.

>>151100642
Noes, Mahouka character design is ugly as fuck, already a no.

>>151100690
>implying Clamp noodle people designs are good looking and not retarded as fuck

>>151100642
Mahouka was cool, but there's nothing that goes as high on the raw entertainment value as CG. And most times, that's all that matters - just how entertained you are.

>>151098679

He's one who marked anime history, that's already an answer.

>>151098679
hes the prettiest for sure. i watched code geass as a kid cause i wanted to pound his boi pucci. if im fucking 10 and i want to tame your ass, you have a life threatening hormone disorder.

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>>151100690
>Mahouka character design is ugly as fuck,
Have you looked in a mirror lately?

>>151100642
His antics are entertaining. He's literally batman who invents flying and also trained with bald ninjas in a mountain. In the middle of a massive fucking city. Also he's Jesus.

>>151100706
Clamp draw magnificent designs, their body shape is one thing, their face/hair design is another. Who cares if you disagree, their success didn't come from their storytelling.

>>151100765
Yeah and I'm pretty handsome; Now chara design doesn't equal animation thank you (and especially the worst part of it)

>6 new replies directly to the OP
>1 new IP
So this, is the power of autism huh? Not bad.

>>151100809
Clamp draws ugly fujoshit garbage.

>>151100901
ya whatever

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>>151100765
That one looks bad, but also fucking hilarious. It's memeable just like the whole show.

Just look at this and tell me it's not the greatest design of anything ever.

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>clamp

This thread is Jojofags VS Geassfags ? Jesus.

>>151101081
Jojofags still upset over CG threads archiving their >general the day R3 was announced.

>>151101126
Ahahahaha, shame, makes one wish for everyfucking geass character thread

>>151098970
this


Also
>Anime character
>Well written
I dare you to name one

>>151101959
>I dare you to name one
Yang from LOGH

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>>151100945
When you think about it Orange was the one that had won in the end.
The only known personbesides Lelouch's fuckbuddies(Suzaku and C.C) which knew of the plan.
He achieved an redemption that was so great that he became such big of a meme that his face alone represents the show
Then he became the one thing he hated the most: becoming an orange farmer, which also implies for him to have a great loli as his companion.
He truly never deserved being this based, but the bastard somehow made us all love him.

>>151102248
I genuinely hated him at first and could not believe how fucking based he was by the end.

>>151102248
True,I readdly didn't care about him when he died and came back then...badass

>>151098679
No. Kiritsugu is.

>>151101984
>LOGH
>well written

>>151102248
I CONTINUE TO FIGHT

>>151101959
Lelouch

Prove me wrong.

>well written
>muh geass can infiltrate and sabotage anything for some reason

>>151098679
I don't know but he's one of the most iconic anime character of all time, nobody can deny this.

>>151102662
>A power that lets him control minds allows him to infiltrate places easily
Just because you wouldn't use it for anything other than telling girls to lift their shirts doesn't mean that nobody else could figure out how to use it.

>>151098679
>Shit geass
>Well written
Kill yourself fat faggot.

>>151102730

>camera security be like "yo this nigga is rigging a bomb but stopping or telling someone ain't my job"

>>151102697
Iconic for being in a meme anime

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>>151102248
>Is in the dark about everything in regards to what Marianne was doing and sides with the very man who killed her so he still hasn't redeemed himself of anything
>Only true accomplishment is beating a shitty KMF pilot
>Is still a massive joke that people take seriously for some odd reason because he became a meme
This show is so stupid it hurts

>>151102846
Do you really not understand what "absolute power to give orders" entails?

>>151102860
There wouldn't be nearly as much hype for the new season if Lelouch wasn't in it, especially after Akito. His antics are half the fun in Code Geass.

>>151102913
>Only true accomplishment
Dude she was one of the most high ranked soldiers there are. That is like taking down one of the most best soldiers in the world, and he took her down like a champ.

>>151103150
Akito sold well.
>>151103196
You can stop talking out your ass now.

>>151103271
Do we have real talking retard on /a/
She was part of league of high trained soldiers which is something you just get to get into unless you are worth something to his majesty.

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>>151103355
>She was in a league of high trained soldiers
>jobbed every battle

>>151103417
She was against Lelouch the fuck did you expect.

>>151103534
You're fighting a losing battle

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>>151098679

>>151098679
He is better written than the likes of Inaho from AZ and Tatsuya from Mahouka, among others, but what makes Lelouch a good protagonist isn't necessarily about that. If you're watching Code Geass looking for the best written protagonist then that's kind of missing the point.

>>151098970
>I'm almost certain that the people who praise Code Geass are those who watched it years ago as teenagers

You're surprisingly wrong about that.

>anything more than schlock

There is some excessive praise, but your description is also excessively negative.

> Looking back its hilarious how fucking chuuni this show is

You realize that practically all popular anime are can be described with this term?

>how its no different

Not in that narrow sense above, but in other ways it is.

>>151099076
Geass is definitely above average and calling him just clown is more of a sign of your personal dislike for over-the-topness rather than anything close to a good description.

>>151099755
Most Code Geass characters contribute something, even in passing, which is about as much as most Jojo characters so you're really talking nonsense.

>>151100557
That's fine for you, but I'd say the proven fact that infinitely more people like Code Geass than either of those shows (much less Valvrave) already shows you're not giving it enough credit. But hey, that's just an opinion so feel free to have it.

>>151100642
Tatsuya is way more overpowered than Lelouch despite not having a Geass and the story makes him far too perfect. His personality isn't really interesting either. So nope, I didn't like Mahouka.

>>151106500
>You're surprisingly wrong about that.
Not really. Its ranked highly on MAL for a reason because people saw it as teenagers and haven''t revisited it since much how Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny are also ranked highly on that site
>There is some excessive praise, but your description is also excessively negative.
Actually its right on the dot. Code Geass has outright bad writing and characterization yet it gets praised because it came out at a time where people were very impressionable for anime but now that anime is everywhere and people are a lot more critical its seen as godsend. 10 years ago it was considered a sin to criticize works like Death Note but nowadays? People will freely admit that the series lost a lot of steam and the general premise pretty much requires everyone but the protagonist to be retarded. Code Geass is even worse in that aspect .
>You realize that practically all popular anime are can be described with this term?
Yeah man Cowboy Bebop is chuuni as fuck
>Not in that narrow sense above, but in other ways it is.
Not really, hell Code Geass was just ripping off what was popular at the time as well so it was no different from Aniplex shit like A/Z and GC.

>>151106600
>Most Code Geass characters contribute something,
Yeah like Tamaki right?

>>151106681
That's your stupid opinion but a lot of people disagree given how popular he is and surely he must be a good character if people like him.

>>151106928
Tamaki is comic relief. Do you hate that?

>>151106985
It is stupid to like Tatsuya but he's still not popular enough.

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>>151106427
>He is better written than the likes of Inaho from AZ and Tatsuya from Mahouka

>>151107136
He's also a worthless character among others

I don't know what you define as "well written"- don't remember enough about objective Literature in general to know what that is. However, I can tell you Lelouch is one entertaining mother fucker- so much so that I'm sure if you even insert him in a Type Moon sex scene fan translated he'll be fabulous. He's one of the most entertaining characters in all of fiction tbqh.

>>151106887
>Not really. Its ranked highly on MAL for a reason because people saw it as teenagers and haven''t revisited it since much how Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny are also ranked highly on that site
No, you are. High rankings on MAL do not tell you the age of the individuals giving out the rankings, nor do they tell you if people have rewatched it.

>Actually its right on the dot. Code Geass has outright bad writing and characterization yet it gets praised because it came out at a time where people were very impressionable for anime

Of course you'd think your own opinion is perfect, but it is rather myopic. The writing has positives and negatives, not only negatives. Your argument is also contradictory. No, there never was a time when criticizing Death Note was considered a sin. It always had folks who did so. So to claim that the population as a whole is different in such respects is illogical. In any event, both it and Code Geass have a combination of flaws and things they did well. If you're just going to say everything is bad then good for you, but that's not an accurate explanation.

>Cowboy Bebop
Some episodes are, pretty much.

>Not really, hell Code Geass was just ripping off what was popular at the time as well so it was no different from Aniplex shit like A/Z and GC.

Nothing is truly original, that's true, but once again you're making the same mistake. A/Z and GC had far more problems not present in CG which kept them from becoming really big shows.

>>151107214
He is. Thanks for not even making an effort though.

>>151107285
>Comedic relief is worthless
Man, you're both jaded and edgy as fuck.

>>151098679
Lelouch is a very good protagonist but that doesn't mean the writing is exceptional. Just good enough to make him work. I'd say the same about Jotaro and Joseph, to be honest.

>>151102913
>Fought Empress Marianne, a lowborn one who married into royalty because of her martial abilities
>Highly successful military career
>Lead purebloods
>Ran all of an area
>Fights on level of the rounds
>50% man
>50% machine
>100% motherfucking loyalty

>>151102913
How was he supposed to learn about Marianne's fate? Nobody ever told him.

>>151107468
>High rankings on MAL do not tell you the age of the individuals giving out the rankings
Actually it does. That's why the review systems exists. Kids rate something highly by spamming while you can just read the reviews. Its easy to say something its good its much harder to say why it is.
>Of course you'd think your own opinion is perfect, but it is rather myopic.
I don't have any reason to believe I'm wrong.
>. The writing has positives and negatives, not only negatives.
Yes yes I already know that you're the retard that doesn't want to take a stance against anything. I'm saying that the writing is shit period I'm not a wishy washy dipshit like you who can't take a stance against anything if you want to prove me wrong go right ahead but Code Geass had outright bad writing.
>Your argument is also contradictory
Nope
> No, there never was a time when criticizing Death Note was considered a sin. It always had folks who did so
Wrong again. Death Note had vultures who would attack anyone who would criticize it and they were quickly drowned out but once people actually rewatched the show they've seen that the show had a lot of flaws in its writing. So far I've seen several people ho watched Code Geass when they're of age and they agree that its not a good show and the people who thought it was good are those who thought it was so bad its good. The only people who laud it as a masterpiece are people who watch it as teenagers and never revisited it and if they did their impressions are based entirely on nostalgia.
>If you're just going to say everything is bad then good for you, but that's not an accurate explanation.
Actually it is. And until you actually prove me wrong don't bother quoting me with your typical wishy washy bullshit.
>Some episodes are, pretty much.
Nope. Code Geass followed the chuuni mashups to a tee, Cowboy Bebop was pretty grounded all things considered.
> A/Z and GC had far more problems not present in CG
Nope

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>>151107566
>Not liking bad worthless characters makesyou edgy

Okay
>>151107708
>Meme response
I expected as much
>>151107857
What the fuck kind of response is this? I'm pointing out the fact that the character ius a fucking joke that doesn't even realize what he's fighting for and dumbfucks like you take it seriously.

>>151107953
It doesn't, Because there are differences of opinion at all ages. A review is not automatically better for giving out a lower rating, nor do you need to be older in order to give a low score.

A nuanced stance is better than an extreme one. Is there some bad writing in Code Geass then? Yes. I am not denything that. Is there some good? Yes. The idea that you think taking a stance is only valid in a binary fashion shows how limited your way of thinking is

Honestly, if you're even denying that people had complaints against Death Note back when it aired then that just means you, as an individual, ignored anything that didn't fit your opinion. Which it seems you're still doing now, except in the opposite direction.

>So far I've seen several people ho watched Code Geass when they're of age and they agree that its not a good show and the people who thought it was good are those who thought it was so bad its good

Then you must be in an echo chamber, because several people have also found it to be good and yet they don't have to think it's a masterpiece. The idea that if something isn't perfect then everything about it has to be terrible doesn't make you more mature or wiser.

You're not really debating. Just stating an opinion as a fact, over and over.

>>151108041
>complains about chuuni and posts a OPM image

>>151108041
Everything in that post just proves you have no sense of humor and take everything too seriously for your own health.

>>151107953
>Code Geass followed the chuuni mashups to a tee, Cowboy Bebop was pretty grounded all things considered
>Mushroom Samba and Pierrot Le Fou
>grounded

>>151108313
It does. People's impressions always change within age and to deny this makes you look like a jackass. So everyone who gave Code Geass a high mark was a 30 year old man who's watched over 1000 anime is basically what you're saying

Not really because you're not proving anything. What good writing is in Code Geass then? I can pretty much prove why you're wrong in that assertion

Where did I deny that? I literally fucking said in that post that detractors were drowned out back then which happens to every highly praised show.

Several people you mean your imaginary?

And there you go with that wishy washy attitude.

>>151108541
You're not really paying enough attention then. Age is one variable, but it is not the only factor that influences people's opinions and ratings. For example, there are people who gave Code Geass low ratings even as teenagers and there are adults who gave it higher ratings too. It's also not just a matter of teenagers and people in their 30s. There's plenty of people in their 20s with both types of opinions and everything in between.

Neither are you. You're making assertions about Code Geass and so am I. Like I've said, there are both types of writing in the show. I can prove that too.

In your first posts. You're making it sound like the only criticisms were nearly impossible to find or in some little secret corner of the Internet.

No more imaginary than those you're talking about.

Better to be "wishy washy" than angry.

>>151108456
>A celebration of black exploitation films
>A horror episode
>chuuni
Okay

>>151108541
Considering a few of criticisms can be no more mature than THIS SHOW IS GAY, IT HAS NOODLE PEOPLE and Frodos...that's no more about than BEST SHOW EVER 10/10.

>>151109049
>black exploitation films
>horror
>grounded
Okay

>>151109084
*no more about age

>>151108966
It's likely most Code Geass fans were initially either teenagers or college students, so a little older than that but not too much. There are reasons to consider it good today, but anyone who thinks it's literally a masterpiece is deluding themselves though. It had too many weaknesses or flaws for that.

>>151107953
Lelouch has more flaws, as a character and a person, than Inaho. Both of them have special eyes, but only Inaho gets an almost perfect record of victories. He also has practically no charisma, which is something that Lelouch had in excess.

>>151102913
Orange is supposed to be mostly a joke character, especially after his fall from grace.

That's how the staff increasingly treated him, even breaking the fourth wall a little. It's only stupid if you find no amusement in it.

>anime
>not chuuni

>>151109084
Nice strawman
You can't even prove that you're just saying people did because is the only way your stance would make sense.

And yet you give no example of good writing

So you're just going to ignore the fact that I said that their were dteractors and they were drown out? Okay

Yeah except that the notion tha teenagers like to indulge in shit is more believable

I've made my peace with the quality of the series you haven't

>>151109881
Not a strawman, because I never said all criticisms are like that. But some of those exist and they're not mature.

>>151109881

Proof is notably absent from your side of the discussion. Why should you be asking for proof and not giving any?

You said it was a sin. That was never true.

Of course they like to indulge, as do some adults, but that's not enough of an explanation.

Point is, you simply sound too cynical, reactive and aggressive with all other opinions to have "made your peace" with anything.

Good writing:
Lelouch dislikes Euphemia's plan and sets up a way to sabotage it. He has the Black Knights on stand by to enter the stadium.

Bad writing:
Lelouch suddenly telling Euphemia to kill all the Japanese. What the fuck, man?

Good writing:
Lelouch deciding to kill Euphemia, re-affirming his path and continuing with the preparations to take over the city.

>>151108041
>gets his shit handled on a plate
>>meme respond

>>151110892
>gets his shit handled on a plate
Nothing you posted refueted the post

>>151104527
At least Lelouch didn't die a dogs death.

>>151111319
His body was probably ripped apart by the angry mob and his head mounted on a spike or some shit. That's how tyrants get treated after their death.

>>151110598
Ikr, that was kinda forced to make the story go on. There was better ways to disrupt Euphie's plan.

>>151114581
Yeah. I liked what happened before and after, but that moment was disappointing.

>>151098842
Nice bait

>>151099447
>You're trying too hard to sound like an adult.
Literally everyone on this site.

>>151098679
He's just really hammy.

>>151099076
>implying one cannot unironically enjoy an albeit over the top and hammy show without having fun

It's the most entertaining anime I've ever watched, and Lelouch is the msot entertaining character I've ever watched. I love Code Geass. But well written? Im not sure. What exavtly constitutes a well written character anyways?

>>151098679
You mean antagonist, right?

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Lelouch a good MC but CC is the best girl ever

If dubs Ougi will die

>>151099670

>Josuke gets less screentime than Kouichi and Rohan

Never will understand the stupid fuckers who spout this shit. Diamond is Unbreakable is made up of 26 story arcs over 174 chapters, and Rohan, for example, shows up in FIVE of those arcs. That's it.

And Koichi, though he has a decent amount of screentime in the first half, tends to completely dissapear oronly feature as the Speedwagon (tm) screaming gallery in the second half, when he even bothers to show up. Even in the first half when he's around Josuke usually is too.

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>>151116982

This,

Schneizel made so much more sense

>>151099755

>Josuke is the main lead and is mostly just a bystander

MC status (revolving around him):
-Angelo
-Nijimura Brothers
-Surface
-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu
-Has most of the action and focus in Red Hot Chili Peppers
-Splits 'Found Something Dangerous' equally with Oldseph
-Takes most of the focus during 'Ratt/Hunting', with Jotaro being the nature guide
-Shares Harvest equally with Okuyasu (and Shigechii)
-Splits Atom Heart Father equally with Jotaro
-MC in I Am An Alien
-MC in Highway Star
-MC in Let's Live on A Tower/SuperFly
-MC in Enigma Boy except for the very end when Yuuya takes over for 2 chapters
-MC of Crazy D. Is Unbreakable

>Koichi

-Echoes/Tamami
-Yukako in Love
-Manga-ka's House
-Splits Rohan;s Adventure
-Takes a small role in Cinderella, which is more Yukako's chapter
-Sheer Heart Attack


The Josuke isn't the MC of DiU and/or has no screentime compared to Koichi and others is fuckng retarded.

>>151118258
If you believe in nuking .

>>151101021
kek

>>151098679
Lelouch is definitely the most complex character of any anime i have ever watched, and I personally consider Code Geass as an unrivaled masterpiece

>>151118810
there is nothing wrong with saving the people from their suffering, by hasty decisions in war with terrorists.

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>>151118594
>MC status (revolving around him):
>Nijimura Brothers
>-Surface
>-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu
>Eat 'Italian'
>Harvest
>Atom Heart Father

Also "appearing in arc =/= MC status"

It went over almost everyone's heads but Natsuki Subaru is a fantastically written character.

>>151119552
Natsuki Subaru is a busta.

>>151118594
>Josuke is only relevant in filler fights and the last battle
>Kouichi is relevant is all story related fights, the main crux of the arc, and the fucking climax of it all

And retards still think He's the MC.

>>151109881
Lelouch is actually a well written character and his conflict with Suzaku is well done. The way Lelouch gradually loses more and more control of the situation and comes to terms with his limits and matures is well written too.

>>151116982
An antagonist is just the character opposing the protagonist. Even if you consider Lelouch the villain, that makes him an antihero.

>>151119601
I Don't think the RHCP arc counts as filler as the stand was already established in Bad company.

>>151115261
>on this site.
on the internet*

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Not even top 1000

>>151119467

>Nijimura Brothers

How is it not Josuke's arc? Or if it isn't, whose is it? Koichi's knocked unconscious in the first of 10 chapters, Okuyasu shows up for 3 of the 10 chapters, and gets knocked the fuck out in 3 pages BOTH times, and Keicho is the villain of the week. Meanwhile, everything is from Josuke's perspective and he drives the action.

>Surface

Same as above. Koichi is neurotic and gets knocked out in 3 or 4 pages, and the entire action/focus/mindset is Josuke.

>-Splits Eat 'Italian' evenly with Okuyasu

Okuyasu is the 'victim of the week' with all of Pearl Jam's shit happening to him for comedy, while Josuke is the one who takes action and actually goes to investigate and "fight" Tonio (despite the fight not happening).

Same for Harvest, where Shigechi is the villain and Okuyasu does nothing whatsoever, and Atom Heart, where although Jotaro solves the final problem,all the action taken previously was by Josuke.

>Josuke is only relevant in filler fights and the last battle

The first "story arc" of part 4 is the bow and arrow, and taking it back, which is ALL Josuke. The only arcs Koichi gets there are to introduce is Stand (Echoes and Yukako in love, which are both "pointless filler" by your definition).

>Kouichi is relevant is all story related fights, the main crux of the arc, and the fucking climax of it all

Echoes, Yukako in Love, Rohan's House, and Cinderella are all pointless filler by your definition.

Rohan's Adventure was the very beginning of the 2nd plot, and Koichi was mostly tagging along for Rohan to be the lead. And Sheer Heart Attack, although admittedly very important, was the first time Koichi had appeared or done shit for ages. So, it's more like Koichi barely does anything and is the tagging along background character you claim Josuke is, it just so happens the ONLY time hes around and important is the halfway climax of the Kira arc.

>>151098679
He's not that well written at all. However, he is charming enough to compensate, which is all you really need.

I haven't watched the show in years, but I don't remember him being particularly well-written. Probably better than the average MC though

>>151124543
But he is well written.

>>151122663
Oh yeah, name 1000 protags.

>>151098679
Nope

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>>151098679
Lelouch was amazingly entertaining in his tragic flamboyance, but I'm more of a Guts man.

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>>151104527
By the end of the series Light had no redeeming qualities left, he just wanted to rule the world. I fucking despise him with every fibber of my being I was so happy to see him die like a little bitch. Lelouch atleast was still likable and died on his own terms and made the world a better place in the process.

>>151112736
Yeah but he didn't cry like a little bitch.

>>151098679
Kiritsugu

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>>151108041
No one's saying you have to like him. But you are actually fucking chastising people for liking a fun character, who in my opinion, had some amazing character development that made him one of my favorites of the series.

>His character is a fucking joke that doesn't even realize what he's fighting for

He knows full well what he's fighting for. The person he valued just so happened to be a completely different person than he thought. What? You have never been lied to? What if you found out your mommy was cheating on your dad and getting schlonged by a big black man on the weekends? Oh man, you must be so fucking stupid to not see that one coming right?

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>>151129880
>. But you are actually fucking chastising people for liking a fun character,
What's considered "fun character" is subjective as fuck. We have people in this thread saying Tatsuya was a fun character due to how bad he was. I'm chasting you for liking a shitty character and passing him off as good.
>had some amazing character development that made him one of my favorites of the series.
So you're a fucking pleb who don't know what he's talking about. Okay

>He knows full well what he's fighting for
No he doesn't in fact his entire mantra is based on a huge farce and is a complete contradiction of what they set him up. Almost like they never planned to give him anything such because what transpires in R2 only serves to point out what a fucking joke his character is. So yes you are a fucking dumbass for liking a shitty character and you are an even bigger dumbass for defending him.

>>151124227
>How is it not Josuke's arc?
Because it has nothing to do with Josuke and more to do with the Nijimura Brothers and there backstory and motivation. Josuke is just a bustander

>Same as above.
Yeah he's a bystander. Next\\

>stuff

Once again the bystander. The fights themselves has nothing to do with Josuke and the target isn't even him

>The first "story arc" of part 4 is the bow and arrow, and taking it back, which is ALL Josuke.

Wrong again dumbfuck and those fights are the very definition of filler. By the way where was Josuke during Reimi's intro? You know the character who is the crux to this entire arc? Where was Josuke during teh first confrontation of Kira?

>Echoes, Yukako in Love, Rohan's House, and Cinderella are all pointless filler by your definition.

Nope that's just you being stupid.

Boy I can't wait until Part 5 where you'll say Giorno is the most important and relevant character and Bruno is just a side character

>>151098970
When you grow up, you come to stop caring so much what other people like and don't like.

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>>151130304
>You have your own opinion that's different than mine! PLEB!

This is advanced autism right here

>>151130304
>Over emphasizing with size 76 caps lock

cringe

>>151098679
No but he's probably best and most enjoyable to watch.

Wish there were more anime with ambitious MCs like him. The royalty and family rivalry adds a lot too.

>>151098970

whatever people's opinion of the show are but that hairstyle is absolutely kawaii

>>151127833
Cringe

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>>151099099
>I rewatch regularly fearing I'll find flaws, but it stays my favorite
Exact same here. The one thing that gets me every time though is how often they talk to each other from mech to mech, makes it seem like a shitty shonen. That's mostly just a flaw of the genre though.

>>151131405
>Cringe

You don't belong here either.

>>151119552
For a show that panders to NEETs who want escapism, they did a really good job with him. Made the show a shitload more enjoyable than having another self insert MC.

>>151119552
He's okay for a generic shonen. He's better than the typical Shinji-clone but he's still pretty bad overall.

>>151129826
Haha, fuck no.

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>>151129432
What? Light isn't meant to be sympathetic, nig. He gets worse and worse as he kills and wins. Because regardless of intentions or consequences (a better world, which arguably Kira was achieving [muh 70% world crime rate drop, end of wars, Kira worshippers which may include looneys but likely does include many people helped through his actions, character comments on how everything went back to normal because Kira was necessary to maintain this order], though these are all secondary in concern within the series) intelligance, or talents, the aims are attained by Light being a horrible person. He became a sociopathic serial killer. The series said the DN would lead to misfortune and that turned out to be the case.

That's the charm though, seeing an exceptional protagonist obtain such power and not only what he does but how it affects him. His sense of justice becomes warped, his arrogance (face it, the project was arrogant from the beginning but wanting to be GOD cements that) gives way to megalomania, so ruthlessly ambitious he would risk his own family and even tried manipulating his pop on his deathbed, cold and methodical but with a childish desire to win.

>>151133469
cont.
Light was running the show in the second half, it was only necessary to consolidate the power he had. We can think of a number of ways he could have come out victorious, but perhaps his failure was inevitable for deciding to utilize the Death Note in the first place.

Light and Lelouch are a number of similarities but have their differences and different journeys which lead to different conclusions. But I don't think Light could ever be 'likable' like Lelouch is 'likable', though I enjoy both characters.

>>151133469
I know he wasn't meant to be sympathetic, I guess my main problem is when other people start saying how great he is and how he should have won and he shouldn't have died. They completely miss the point of his character, which fills me with irrational rage.

>>151129432
you're just blue-pilled. Imagine it happened in our world. Had he won, humanity as a whole would be much better.

>>151133756
cont.
I will concede the fact that in regards to what you said he is well written for the most part but the fact that people often miss the point of his character and idolize him just ruins him as a character to me.

>>151098679
well written, but overrated.

>>151133756
That's how I sometimes feel about the way people talk about Lelouch. I personally wouldn't mind a Light wins ending in the sense that he achieves his aims while having to suffer in some manner, sort of like Lelouch. But the best opportunity for that was with Light vs L. The story kept going so Light was going to go down eventually. It's only a matter of how it happens and how it happened is still controversial.
>>151133924
Maybe, there's evidence it would be better in ways but also that it would be nightmarish. It never comes into fruition so we don't know. Light thought Mikami was going too far but also going too far ahead. Light is meticulous but also deranged. It's all in the background anyway so you can decide for yourself.
>>151134149
>idolize
It's all fun to kick back and enjoy the show, but Light was a wicked son of a bitch. That's not contestable. Even Near thinks he's certainly amazing for a criminal, however that same character concludes he's a crazy mass murderer. They're both true.

I don't notice his idolization so much anymore while still seeing Lelouch get similar treatment, maybe because CG is getting a resurge now. And while he's more a sympathetic character, he has 'supervillain' written all over him so I can't idolize him either. As long as it's for fun, it's cool. Otherwise they should read more fiction and wonder why characters are treated similarly.

>>151135076
Other characters like them, that is. Antiheroes like Raskolnikov and Edmond Dantes.

>>151099535
savage