Lupin III

Can you at least not shill for your shitty dubs here?

>>150948671
>shill
>shitty dubs
dub Lupin is good though. also its more about the releases, not so much the dub. its just that the dub is relevant. dont be baby.

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posting some Cagliostro wallpaper since it is best Lupin movie.

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>>150950441
It's a very good movie, but not a very Lupin movie

Lupin
Is a nice man

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>>150950528
agreed. its the best movie but not the best Lupin movie. Better examples for a better Lupin movie are missed by a dollar and Walther P38

>>150950631
Best song in the whole franchise

Nothing as comfy exists

>>150950680
Walther p38 is some fanfiction bullshit rich with original donuts

>>150950681
no it's the worst song. it's just the most meme. Lupin is known for having great music, but we all know the music from the first series is flat out retarded especially that one with the guys broken english and shit lyrics... but thats why we love it.

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>>150950680
oh and mystery of mamo is very Lupin.

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>>150950779
god the art is fantastic in this movie.

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>>150950814
did anyone else notice the burnt castle over the arch they drive through in the movie because i never knew it was there. they never panned out to show it.

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>>150950953

Cagliostro is really well made but its legacy is annoying because many got into Lupin through it and see it as the "ideal Lupin" and then hate on even the good stuff in pink jacket because it's really far from the Miyazaki version (in fact the wackiest and most Monkey Punch-esque episodes of Pink Jacket are the most hated)

then they pretend the manga isn't wacky at all because it's not cool to hate on the original material

>>150951928
I never meet any of these people that you mention, but i hear the stories too. Cagliostro is just too good to be even remotely disliked despite how others tend to think it's the "ideal Lupin" like you said. Pink jacket is awesome but i dont think i can blame some people for not liking it. It is a little too cartoony compared to green and red jacket, and they did make some weird choice of designs, but i agree it shouldnt be disliked for just because it isnt the same. Pink jacket is most like the manga (even though I think it's more of a mix of green and pink jacket) because it is wacky and very oddly drawn. I'd argue it's just as good as red jacket but with much better animation. I even love Gold Babylon which some people hate (because they're faggots). It's just fun to watch. That neon 80's new york setting, the nutty adventure, the motorcycle scene in the beginning. it's awesome and really refreshing to look at after seeing a bunch of mediocre red jacket movies from the 90's and 00's.

point is. cagliostro is great and pink jacket is great for different reasons.

>>150952434
Yeah I get some criticism like that one scene of the motor bike chase lasting too long but it's still a movie with an auteur's sense of fun to it (Yuzo Aoki) which is more than I can say about a lot of the boring-ass red jacket movies/specials.

The only bad design IMO in pink jacket Lupin is the way Aoki starts drawing the 'pretty'/'sexy' female characters; I think he did great with Fujiko in Mamo but then went too far with his style and lost the appeal of the original designs. but the goofy guys are great especially in the second Pink Jacket OP which (I think) he animated.

I think another mistake people make is lump the Miyazaki & Takahata episodes of green jacket with Cagliostro for no real reason beyond "because Miyazaki"; yes those episodes were more 'family friendly' but in terms of drawings they felt much more comedic and more Monkey Punch-like than Cagliostro and that plays a big part in the tone.

Monkey Punch was right though, Lupin is kind of like a Japanese version of those western super hero properties that get all kinds of reimaginings so it's not wrong to make stuff different. Then again I wonder if he legit thinks that way or if he just got pooped on for not liking Cagliostro and told to change his attitude.

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>>150952760
>>150952434
oh speaking of Aoki, he also directed Alice which is great

the protagonists are a lot less likable in their villainous behavior than the manga versions of the Lupin characters who manage to be charismatic and likable despite doing awful shit, but that works anyway because most of the humor is derived from their plans exploding in their faces. it's like a Road Runner cartoon with dicks and boobs.

also MANKATSU SUBS WHEN

>>150952760
>IMO in pink jacket Lupin is the way Aoki starts drawing the 'pretty'/'sexy' female characters;
I think Lupin and Goemon are the only bad designs because cleft chins are ugly as shit. Even Monkey Punch Stopped drawing cleft chins a few volumes in. I also dont like afro Lupin. I'm glad they went with a more normal approach in Gold Babylon... although the choice of having a black shirt and grey tie was odd.
>I think another mistake people make is lump the Miyazaki & Takahata episodes of green jacket with Cagliostro for no real reason beyond "because Miyazaki";
I tend to see as all the shows and movies are all canon except for the once that literally cannot work like 1st contact, elusive fog, and return of pycal.
>Then again I wonder if he legit thinks that way or if he just got pooped on for not liking Cagliostro and told to change his attitude.
He said he did enjoy the movie, but it wasn't his Lupin, then made a comment about how he would have Lupin rape the girl instead of saving her.. which I think would of been kind of funny.

>>150952919
I watched this a few months ago and it was great. You'd swear it came out in the 70's but it came out in early 90's. I wish modern Lupin movies had that classic style where everyone is lanky with incredibly long pointy shoulders but that all ended in the early 90's. Really fun stuff. Would by it on DVD if there was a western release but that will most likely never happen unless it comes included as a special feature with a Lupin movie.. I dont recall it being that long.

>>150953168
>I'm glad they went with a more normal approach in Gold Babylon
but he didn't always have a cleft chin; pink jacket had even more design variety than red jacket depending on episode animation directors. in the second OP by Aoki for example he looked far more like Monkey Punch Lupin and some episodes used those designs.
>>150953270
it's a 90s OVA with 'offensive' content, it'll get tagged as bad & not sell

I just want Mankatsu to get fansubbed, I watched a bunch of it raw and it looked like a fun variety show. a bit hit and miss but the good stuff seemed really good.

>>150953492
thats another odd thing about Lupin. Im assuming thats from red jacket.

evern though the designs of the characters and animation in old Lupin shows arent amazing, they have always had incredible backgrounds. the attention to detail is superb. Even with blue jacket, you'd think think the designs of the characters would be on par with the backgrounds but no, the backgrounds now are even more gorgeous then they have ever been.

wish i had saved some of them so i could show.

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>>150953622
it's from voyage to danger

>>150953618
>it's a 90s OVA with 'offensive' content, it'll get tagged as bad & not sell
ive seen worst anime that became mainstream because of its offensiveness. I just want it...

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>>150953622
but the cartoonier more Monkey Punch character designs from the old shows ARE amazing. detail =/= quality.

saying Lupin doesn't have a great design is like saying Popeye the Sailor doesn't have a great design. it's insanely iconic and perfect for the kind of exaggerated poses that the shows & manga use.

>>150953756
yeah modern anime, with old stuff there's this whole 'offensive old ova = bottom of the barrel schlock' thing which is really dumb because a lot of those 'bottom of the barrel' OVAs had legendary staff and/or great production values

I don't really mean Alice which did feel quite niche but stuff like Golgo 13, Sword for Truth & everything by Rintaro that's not liked i.e. everything that's not the Galaxy Express movie

>>150953712
one of the more decent 90's movies along with missed by a dollar, tokyo crisis, hemingway papers, and Walther P38. I would say Dead or Alive but lets be honest. the plot was shit. The art was incredible though with the exception of Lupin and his Martin Scorsese eyebrows

>>150948459
Fuck off shilltard

>>150953841
well to be fair and to add to this the rintaro stuff isn't really offensive as much as just too 'style over substance' for some people or whatever

>>150953874
I'm skimming through it and Dead or Alive is fine but I'd say

best cartoony Lupin = Monkey Punch in the 70s

best less-cartoony Lupin = the Koike movie

>>150953776
im talking about the detail of the design not so much the actual design itself. I know they're great designs.If you look at newer Lupin how the designs of the characters have more shadowing and detail of the hair, eyes, among other things.Thats what lacked in old Lupin for obvious reasons which is why I said they werent absolutely amazing compared to the backgrounds.

>>150953979
the thing is the extra detail changes the style; I like both detailed Lupin & wacky more quickly drawn Lupin but they create a different atmosphere.

>>150953978
trust me. dead or alive is boring as fuck.

also Koike Lupin is great even if it isnt cartoony

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>>150953874

It's a real shame about Dead or Alive's plot and characters, they really drag the movie down. It's a prime example for Lupin that animation isn't everything.

>>150954387
Fuma was great though and had great animation..

one thing I can say about Dead or Alive is that Joe Shimamura makes a quick cameo.

>>150954268
I never bothered with DoA cuz even Monkey Punch said he hated his involvement with it. I see some people recommend it saying DUDE MONKEY PUNCH LMAO but ignoring his comments on how shitty the experience was.
>>150954268
Honestly I'd have liked it even more if it EVEN further in Koike's "Good Frank Miller + Peter Chung + Kawajiri + personal elements"-ish style. It felt like he had to hold back because it was Lupin and he couldn't make it TOO weird but when I thought "Koike Lupin" I expected something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjg2LywL2qo

Still good though

>>150954268
Dead or Alive reminded me of some of the darker Pink Jacket episodes due to the designs and the whole "mastermind Lupin" take. I guess it does get unnecessarily slow in the middle though. But I thought it was a breath of fresh hair coming form all those other 90s specials which got way too similar.

>>150954447
I barely remember the story in Fuma but I remember thinking it was a nice adventure story & the animation being good

looking back at it, the animation is even better than I remember https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/14865

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I wish that the Shin Lupin manga had been completely translated. I love Monkey Punch's Lupin, though the anime version of Lupin is great too.

>>150954664
he only directed the opening and ending, had no real involvment with the story or anything.

with Koike Lupin, he still made it pretty weird. the whole thing with the giant dick robot and naked fujiko was odd as fuck.. I'd like less grit with his Lupin and more wackiness

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I gotta watch Walther P-38, it seems like a nice "darker Lupin" story & even beyond the Imaishi scene everyone has seen it seems to have some really great animation at times

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/17690
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/17689 I like this type of drawing & animating that was present in a lot of stuff that came after Akira & Gosenzosama Banbanzai. I dunno how to describe it perfectly but it's a specific type of doing lines, shapes, character proportions shading & that feels in various ways inspired by those two in particular.

Movement that's fluid & in some ways realistic (Akira influence) but also a bit cartoony (Gosenzosama influence), sort of blocky volume given by the way the lines are drawn, subtler shit like the hands.

I'm trying to talk about animation more in-depth to make up for the years of just namedropping animators to look autistic & cool

>>150954900
>the whole thing with the giant dick robot and naked fujiko was odd as fuck
It was bizarre cuz it was obviously fetishy & fanservicey and yet it was supposedly in the same universe as the Fujiko show that takes rape dead seriously. But then the Koike movie felt like Koike doing his own thing with Lupin & disregarding the Yamamoto & Okada stuff, for one it completely dropped the shoujo/josei girliness & went for full manliness.
>I'd like less grit with his Lupin and more wackiness
I wanna see Lupin & Jigen having funny Trava-like conversations.

But what you said is interesting because I heard Koike actually talked about making Redline less wacky since the pilot. It's kinda subtle but if you rewatch the pilot it does feel subtly wackier.

>>150955052
if it wasnt for the last statement I would of called you nuts because I see no Akira influence in the animation of any Lupin movie.

what i like about Walther P38 is it goes in depth to Lupin as a person similar to Missed By a Dollar. It shows how he feels about Zenigata as well as the people he wants to help. You see sides of him that you don't get often. I like the art as well. I like what they did with the hair. Usually Lupin is said to slick back his hair which I always hated cause I feel that would look retarded in real life. Even in Green vs Red they made it so Lupin (Yasuo) had long hair and slicked it back to give it that typical Lupin style. I like the idea that he has short hair more which is what you see in Walther P38 as well as more modern Lupin like Blue Jacket and Jigen's Gravestone which is made very clear that it's just short and not slicked back.

It's a small thing I personally prefer.

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>>150954855
I wish someone would just pick up the license again and release everything. Monkey Punch is a fucking amazing cartoonist and I don't even know what his influences are beyond "lol Mort Drucker lol". Mort Drucker is a caricaturist and MP is a super-wacky scribbly cartoonist, aside from surface level stuff like "they draw lanky guys with pants that are a little too short for their legs" their styles are practically polar opposites of cartooning.

I wonder if Monkey Punch was aware of Milt Gross because I see a bunch of that in his work. I know Tezuka was a fan so surely Japan got wind of him.

>>150955136
Fujiko, Gravestone, and Goemon film are all connected. whether or not they connect to the rest of the series is debatable. I like to think so since fujiko series sets up green jacket perfectly and Gravestone sets up Mamo/Red jacket perfectly, but Lupin canon is just too hard.
>I heard Koike actually talked about making Redline less wacky since the pilot. It's kinda subtle but if you rewatch the pilot it does feel subtly wackier.
only seen it once. I figured its just suppose to be really wacky which is what i felt throughout the whole thing. Would like to see more Koike stuff that isn't about racing because fuck that.

>>150955342
>I wish someone would just pick up the license again and release everything.
tokyopop put out 14 volumes of the Lupin manga which I own, and 7 volumes of shin Lupin. unfortunately they are all out of print and a lot of them are expensive as fuck.
>"lol Mort Drucker lol"
is this a meme? I dont know about memes in the art community.

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>>150955342
I own the complete first manga set, and the 9 volumes of Shin Lupin that Tokyo Pop had released before going to shit.

I'm not so sure about Monkey Punch's influences, but it's hard to find information on these sort of things when only searching in English.

>>150955264
You're likely more right than wrong (I mean technically Akira was so huge that it influenced EVERYTHING but we're talking noteworthy influence here) - I used to wrongly attribute this specific type of character animation to the influence of Akira https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25336 but then I looked up when Black Magic M-66 was made and Satoru Utsunomiya did it before Akira https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/18267

>>150955557
shit, meant 7 like >>150955548 stated

>>150955587
>>150955264
on the other hand I still say there's some Gosenzosama in those Lupin clips https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/17387

>>150955668
Who directed this?

>>150955668
Mamo was a beautiful movie in terms of both film school 'muh cinematography' autism (that pic) and John K blog-reading 'muh cartooniness' autism (what this guy covered http://aalong64.blogspot.com/2012/05/big-bad-mamojamma.html)

It's a shame it didn't have a higher animation budget, some scenes I felt could have benefit from more frames.

Oh and the villain actually managed to look genuinely really, really fucking creepy and unnerving at the end which was unexpected.
>>150955716
I looked it up and it has two directors

One of them also directed... the Kirby anime? I dunno if this is even right, I know ANN doesn't have separate pages for many people with the same name and I can't read non-shit Japanese staff listing sites.

Another was animation director on Panda Go Panda which is classier because that's basically proto-Totoro and as well done as toddler anime can get

>>150955548
>is this a meme? I dont know about memes in the art community.
No but it's the only influence for Monkey Punch people ever list because as far as I know it's the only one he mentioned by name.

But as I said one is a caricaturist that mostly exaggerates & stylizes real life while MP is more abstract. I refuse to believe he wasn't influenced by any super-wacky abstract cartoonists and just pulled that style out of his ass but I've also not seen any MAD artists from that era which were that wacky.

The only Lupin I've watched thus far has been Cagliostro and a couple episodes of the Blue Jacket series. I plan on starting the Green Jacket series and working my way up from there.

>>150955858
The Kirby guy also seems to have done some directorial work on Ashita no Joe, would explain some of his talent. There's a definite Dezakian influence to at least a few of the shots on that grid.
>another was AD on Panda Go Panda
Otsuka worked on this?? I had no idea. One of the greatest animators of all time. Highly recommend you check out everything he touched at Toei Doga, if Panda Go Panda is the only thing you know him for. His masterpiece is Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon.

>>150956190
>His masterpiece is Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon.
It seems he did a lot of animation in the final battle, which... honestly was pretty disappointing to me. The animation was technically very solid but the subject matter felt uneventful and anti-climactic.

From what I've seen (not all), the most visually inventive old high-budget Toei films in my opinion were Wan Wan Chushingura and Animal Treasure Island.

>>150956414
Really? The Orochi fight blew me away. Most of the movie did, but that scene in particular is one of my all-time favourites. Definitely agree for the other two though, especially Animal Treasure Island. Such a fun movie.

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>>150956514
I thought it was too... normal given this is a movie where earlier the protagonist blew up a giant fish by charging into it like a missile.

Wan Wan Chushingura is weird because it's REALLY old but has some really fucking loose stylized shit that I never saw in the later Toei films

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/23148 look at all the zany frames of this dog dodging cars and compare to the other clips by this animator that are much more on model and traditional

>>150956682
>>150956514
also this is amazing https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/23146

the characters' motion and the intro with background animation where every frame is painted, fuck me in the ass how the hell does this obscure ass movie look so great

>>150956682
>>150956717
I'm not familiar with this guy, but yeah these look great. Lovely movie. There's a ton of fun stuff during this period, lots of talented guys at Toei.

>>150956819
Speaking of periods from animated studios, Nostradamus was clearly done during the era when TMS were doing a lot of outsourced animations for WB shows like Animaniacs and it shows

this old ass AMV from the early 2000s shows a lot of scenes that are reminiscent of those https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI3GgMx3wco

>>150955668
I love mamo but what were they thinking with those colors for lupin? black pants and a dark grey shirt? whats wrong with white pants and blue shirt like in red jacket series? although I'll give the credit for the yellow tie. still bugs me that red jacket series had a pink tie which is ridiculous. also I felt Mamo dragged for a little too long. right when I thought it was over, it was the beginning of the final act. besides my nitpicks, its still in the top 5 best Lupin films

>>150956902
too bad was Nostradamus wasnt that good.

also Jigen was in animaniacs and Lupin parodied Tiny Toons.

https://youtu.be/HMaYG3tl3dI

>>150957122
also Lupin is the voice of Winnie the Pooh... Let that sink in..

https://youtu.be/wF-aGNeST4E

>>150957122
I think Nostradamus is worth watching if only for the animation. Honestly even a lot of Animaniacs can be pretty cringey in terms of writing if you take the "ahh smart cartoon for smart people, mature humor that will go over the kids heads :)))" nostalgia goggles off

>>150957289
you take that back. Animaniacs is a masterpiece.

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>>150948459
Is the Italy series from 1 or 2 years ago good?

>>150957176
also here's Lupin cooking.

https://youtu.be/MZJ1OuGwx70

>>150957375
It's not bad per se, just bland in comparison to the other series.

>>150957375
It was a AOTY. It's honestly great.

>>150957375
Don't even bother with manga adaptation.

>>150957406
dont mislead him. It's just as good as red and pink jacket, but no anime can compare to green jacket.

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The new movie better be good or else I won't make a collage

>>150957498
Fujiko was incredibly hot in the biker outfit.

>>150957550
Fujiko was incredibly hot in general.

>>150957563
Fujiko fucked Zenigata and won't fuck Lupin.

>>150957375
I really liked it. I love the OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvaosZlQqrY

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>>150957611

Zenigata deserves that and more.

>>150957375

I really liked the show, but the mystery got a bit messy towards the end. I'm not a big fan of the supernatural or pseudoscience in my Lupin and Part 4 went a bit too far with both of them.

some more Yasuo Lupin Videos

no idea what this is but it cracks me up
https://youtu.be/WoYmH_OftPY
Him in character
https://youtu.be/GOzVYXLFLeA
On some show
https://youtu.be/9F9G9FUJkW0
Entire cast
https://youtu.be/yRvd185-XAg
Lupin and Fujiko
https://youtu.be/DylvxJPdjKA
Cast doing a script read
https://youtu.be/AR6A2IKA9PA
aaaand Lupin singing
https://youtu.be/xd1iuPBozOg

feel free to thank me since this shit is not easy to find.

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>>150957335
It's easy to break the spell if you take a look at the blog of Rom Ruegger, the "mastermind" behind Animaniacs, and realize what a creative black hole devoid of taste & humor he was & is & how much he held back the writers & storyboarders that were actually funny:

http://cartoonatics.blogspot.ro/2011/05/cartoon-shows-that-never-were-mixed.html
http://cartoonatics.blogspot.ro/2011/01/cartoon-shows-that-never-were-1-trio-of.html
http://cartoonatics.blogspot.ro/2011/05/cartoon-shows-that-never-were-2-mixed.html

It's hard to admit but a lot of it was driven by the animation, voice acting and music. All those WB shows had REALLY good presentation that managed to make even the shittiest jokes feel kind of charming.

This is the same guy that inserted his Original Characters Do Not Steal and universe into Scooby Doo when he got creative reign over one of its least popular series and made Scooby himself a "huge fan" of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF6lIpfCEFI

Freakazoid has a lot less Ruegger cancer in it and more of the actually funny people from Animaniacs giving it their all.

>>150957611
And I'm okay with that.

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>>150957851
But to make up for this off topic attempt to ruin a nostalgic cartoon
>>150954387
One of the more melancholic Jigen-centric episodes of Red Jacket had kinda crappy animation but I really liked it anyway, I don't remember the name but I know it took place in a snowy setting. The script mixed together Lupin's characteristic wackiness with darker Jigen stuff really well and the ending was top notch with a dead serious scene of Jigen ready to die and then Lupin saving him with his shenanigans.

>>150957611
Betrayal is after all a woman's accessory.

>>150958015
i imagine that was an earlier episode since the later half of the series really went up in quality.. although for whatever reason I remember an episode like you just decribed in Green Jacket where Jigen was trying to save this russian girl who turned out to be a thief near the end.

>>150958185
I think that may have been the Red one? I don't recall if she was Russian or not, it's been years.

But yeah the later episodes have some fucking movie-tier animation at times even outside of the Miyazaki stuff. I remember this episode where Lupin makes Jigen pick up the pieces of his gun while an assassin is trailing him that had amazing production values.

>>150957611
pretty sure some of the many incarnations of Fujiko in the manga fucked Lupin and I'd rather take that into account than Yamamoto & Okada's so-deep-and-empowering anime

>>150958395
Fujiko fucks Lupin in almost every chapter. I remember one in particular where she has a 3some with Lupin and her friend up in this snowy cave.. actually it was made into an episode for green jacket except there is no 3some or even a friend for that matter... the anime got rid of a lot of interesting shit when adapting a manga story

>>150958632
which volume was that? curious if it's one of the scanned-by-anon ones

>>150958725
idk which one but i can guarantee its in one of the 1st 4 volumes. although i'm 95% sure it's in one of the 1st 3 volumes.

to be honest. it wasnt a very good story or episode.

>>150958784
I remember disliking the Green Jacket episode but I don't remember seeing it in the scanned manga volums I downladed but maybe I just forgot.

It was one of the early Osumi episodes that made me think people kind of overrate the guy as the "TRUE Lupin director" and Miyazaki as the guy who made it "safe and boring" (while ignoring Takahata being co-director along with Miyazaki). I think both did great stuff and meh stuff and that snow episode was pure meh, absolutely noting stood out in terms of writing or art or animation or anything. even the direction was just a bunch of boring talking heads shots.

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I'm clicking through random parts of Walther and holy shit this special has really consistently high caliber animation

If the story is as neat as people ITT made it sound I think this'll end up being a Lupin classic to me

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>>150959041
Goemon deflecting lasers with his sword was animated as cool as it should have been

>>150958938
he is overrating considering there wasnt a bad miyazaki/takahata episode. the 1st half of the series were mostly hits but also a few misses. Also the characters lacked personality in the 1st half. wasnt until about episode 11 and up where it became GOAT in terms the perfect package.

>>150959041
well it's a theatrical film unlike most of the 90's Lupin stuff which were only TV specials, but unlike the other theatrical Lupin films of the 90's. Walther P38 is great in terms of art, animation AND story.

>>150959041
>>150959079
Walther P38 will be out on Blu Ray soon so then you can buy it and support Lupin instead of torrenting it like an asshole.

>>150959224
Eh the Osumi prison escape episode improved upon the manga chapter 2 pretty well and that had some of the best Zenigata characterization. But I do think it's kind of a hipsterish opinion to rally behind the guy that barely directed any anime & then say the mainstream guy made it worse.

A Miyazaki & Takahata episode I really loved was the time machine one. The moments of Lupin actually being genuinely terrified for his life for the first time yet trying to appear cool to everyone were a great use of his character, and the ending was absolutely hysterical comedy.

>>150959370
That was good just like the episode after that where everyone is looking for an emerald on a cruise ship. the emerald ended up being in the cats eye.

up until that point. Zenigata was a serious character so this was the 1st episode where we saw traits of the modern fun Zenigata.

>>150959595
The episode that was titled something like "Zenigata catches Lupin and goes to Europe" or something to that effect was also great, really fun story and some genuinely comedic drawings to go with it and the climax with Miyazaki animating Zenigata freaking out in the plane with the type of drawings that he would never make these days now that he's a serious artsy old man was great. Some of the drawings here look almost like something Monkey Punch would do. https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25116

AND HOLY SHIT WHILE GOING THROUGH SAKUGABOORU TO FIND THAT CLIP I FOUND OUT HE ALSO ANIMATED THIS BIT THAT ALSO STOOD OUT TO ME AS PARTICULARLY FUNNY https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25115

I really feel that early on Miyazaki captured the fun of Lupin really well when together with Takahata, moreso than with Cagliostro (even of the latter was great). It was only shortly after he did some really fun stuff for Animal Treasure Island when he was around 30.

>>150959041
>Lupin classic

Aren't most Lupin movies/specials pretty good though? Outside a small handful like Dead or Alive and From Russia With Love, I really can't remember any bad Lupin movies.

>>150959802
There's some bland shit out there like the one where Zenigata supposedly dies and the comedic climax was Lupin getting his ass bitten by a dog for the bajillionth time

>>150959777
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/25118 this one is only 'presumed' to be miyazaki and probably not confirmed by staff but it's another great bit

green jacket had some really underappreciated animation, obviously cheap but doing its best with what it had & complementing the story very well

>>150959843
>Zenigata supposedly dies

That's Walther P38, which has been praised into the heaven just above.

>>150960039
no, I've not even seen that one yet fully as I said earlier. it happened again in one of the 2000s specials I watched with a friend who's a huge Lupinfag. it sucked dick.

>>150960069
Now I know which one you mean. It's The Last Job, the 2010 special. Yeah, I don't like that one either.

>>150960256
honestly the final dog ass-biting was kinda funny because they took a really bad joke SO, SO FAR that it became funny

but OVERALL? yeah, pretty fuckin' bad.

>>150959319
I already have to buy the Discotek DVDs for 70s Gaiking to watch it since no one ripped it, which is as of now too expensive for my poor eastern yuropoor ass AND I can't play blu-rays at all.

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In terms of art, Another Page has got to be the weirdest Lupin to me. Why they decided to make it more Detective Conan like, especially the women, is beyond me.

>>150960713
that cap actually looks really stylistically cool to me

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>>150960768
I can't really put my finger on it, but the post-millennium specials all had more realistic and less stylized art to me, of course by Lupin standards. Another Page just stands out among them by looking very different.

>>150959802
russia and dead or alive arent what i consder to be bad. to me there is no bad Lupin pre 1990 but thats just me. bad Lupin specials are mostly from the 2000's like elusive fog, return of pycal, and alcatraz. most of the "bad Lupin movies" arent even bad, just bland.

>>150959952
green jacket was actually pretty high quality for a series from 1971

>>150960388
luck for you it will be a DVD blu ray combo pack. will only end up being less than $25

>>150959952
Sorry but i can't take those static backgrounds seriously. That guy floating in the air in the background cracks me up.

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>>150961043
Zenigata and his partner make Alcatraz memorable for me. I wouldn't go as far to call it bland or bad.

>>150961276
i was thinking of sweet lost night. most of the middle movies tend to blend with one another.

also first contact is overrated. dont understand the appeal.

can someone post the Lupin history picture that has Lupin from every show/film up until the 2015 series?

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>>150960971
it's the focus on more modern 'anime-esque' character drawings vs the cartoony western focus on extreme poses and expressions.

compare your cap to this one, yours is more cinematic and less flat but mine is cartoonier and has a more extreme pose and expression.
>>150961164
it looks dumb but the stuff that does move is great
>>150961076
well yeah, I think people are missing the big picture when they say shit like "Gundam 0079 was particularly bad for the 70s because this other series that's a huge classic and everyone remembers looks better"

even of the 70s shows that were considered classics, some had moments that looked hysterically bad. like Zambot 3. now imagine how many Chargeman Kens were just forgotten by history.

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>>150961561
I really can't stress this enough, anyone who thinks Gundam 0079 is some legendarily badly animated show because of a crappy meme frame an inbetweener drew that was only on screen a bit watch the really shit episodes of Zambot 3 in motion

once again note this show is considered a classic

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>>150961703
though to be fair the still-cheap-but-stylish Kanada episodes were evenly spread throughout the shit as a consistent reward for putting up with stuff like that webm

>>150961561
are 70's shows worth watching for the mot part? i can literally name all of them right now.

Lupin Part 1
Lupin Part 2 (Mamo and Cagliostro as well}
GeGeGe no Kitaro (few episodes)
Devilman
Casshan {few episodes}
Speed Racer {few episodes)
Mazinger Z (watched 1 episode because I wanted to watch the Mazinger Z/Devilman crossover but ending up dropping it all together after that because i remembered i hate mech shit)

It seems most 70's anime follows the same formula and episodic format. Makes it hard to really invest into the shows. The only ones I really enjoyed were Lupin and Devilman,

>>150961789
>Leaving out Ashita no Joe, Rose of Versailles, and Aim for the Ace!
What did Dezaki ever do to you?

Post some sexy Fujiko.

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>>150961482
Most Lupin movies blend together for me. It's probably because I've watched most only once and there are so many. Though from what I remember of Sweet Lost Night, I really liked Zenigata losing his memory and trying to regain it. It made for some funny moments.

>>150961789
Captain Harlock?

>>150961883
because the 1st 2 shows you mentioned have too many god damn episodes. It's rare for me to sit and put time into shows that long. I dropped shounens altogether because of the length. maybe one day when ive seen all the 12-26 episode series I wanted to watch, i'll get around to watching them.

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>>150961789
Devilman TV is just typical monster a week stuff dude, stop watching Toei/Tatsunoko stuff as it's not a good representative for the decade. I can't blame you though, I had the same misconception before discovering the good stuff.

Look at the fucking animation on Anne of Green Gables, a proto-Ghibli Isao Takahata-directed show. this is a long ass TV anime and a shocking amount of the episodes have stuff like this. this is when America was shitting out Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels or something.

But generally a lot of good 70s anime is either proto-Ghibli or Osamu Dezaki-directed.

Proto-Ghibli:
-Future Boy Conan
-Animal Treasure Island
-Panda Go Panda (for toddlers but well made and a proto-Totoro)
-Heidi
-Anne of Green Gables

Dezaki recs:
-Ashita no Joe (personal favorite, absolutely watch this)
-Rose of Versailles
-Aim for the Ace
-Just look up his repertoire really

There's some stuff that's sadly not subbed, like Gamba no Boken also by Dezaki or the Tiger Mask anime based on a manga written by Ashita no Joe's writer. The manga for Tiger Mask is being scanlated but I don't really like the art as much as the anime.

>>150961985
>>150961992 here again

I felt that way too about Joe which is why I kept saying "I'll watch it later" but when I finally did I got fucking hooked. The story is absolutely not what you'd expect when hearing "influential shonen manga about boxing", it's not at all like what shonen fighting ended up being. It's practically the polar opposite of something like Hajime no Ippo.

Some parts in the second half can get to be a bit too much but you can just go through them at 2x speed or something for the ending. The 70s show is actually self-contained and has an anime-original ending, but it's a good anime-original ending and I feel that the final fight with Carlos was executed better.

I MEAN NIGGER YOU WATCHED TOEI DEVILMAN. come on.

>>150961985
The funny thing is that ashita no joe, its sequel and ace o nerae have great compilation movies that can completely stand on their own. Dezaki was pretty good at doing this.

>>150961931
everything else was mediocre. I'll name every good Lupin films so people dont get confused

Mamo
Cagliostro
Gold Babylon
Fuma Conspiracy
Hemingway Papers
Wather P38
Missed By A Dollar
First Contact.. which I think is overrated but people love for whatever reason.
the first Detective Conan Crossover
Jigen's Gravestone

There are still some decent movies like Tokyo Crisis and Voyage to Danger, but the ones listed above are the absolute best.

>>150962069
>The 70s show is actually self-contained and has an anime-original ending, but it's a good anime-original ending and I feel that the final fight with Carlos was executed better.
I'm actually close to finishing Ashita no Joe right now, and I'm still confused as to how the second series fits into the story. Is it a recap or a continuation based on the manga?

>>150962069
>>150961985
But basically to elaborate: the main character isn't a starry eyed kid with big dreams; he's a guy that was a hobo loner for almost his entire life up to the start of the show. While hugely powerful he's not idealized as a "lone wolf badass" but portrayed as someone who's seriously broken inside, has nothing to live for and is desperately grasping to his freedom with which is the only thing he has. He's a genuinely terrible fucking person but the little spark in him makes you you want to see him finally get some humility beaten into him. His first big character development is letting go of freedom in favor of someting greater.

And Dezaki's direction for the show is some of his most experimental from before he decided "ok, this is my style" and there's a lot of weird but cool visual shit you won't find in something like Cobra or Treasure Island. The show's really cheap (outside of the very rare 'actual budget' episode like the first and last) but still takes full advantage of its visuals as well as it can with its minuscule budget.

The cheap, sketchy, dirty look actually helps enforce the atmosphere since the series is about a filthy hobo and a filthy loud has-been alcoholic.

It's a really neat adaptation of an already good manga.

>>150961992
>Devilman TV is just typical monster a week stuff dude, stop watching Toei/Tatsunoko stuff as it's not a good representative for the decade.
I liked the fact it was a show for kids yet it had gruesome gore for the time and shocking imagery. lots of blood, decapitations, suicides by jumping off buildings, people getting their eyes ripped out. As well as having legit frightening designs. Really enjoyed that shit.

>There's some stuff that's sadly not subbed, like Gamba no Boken also by Dezaki or the Tiger Mask anime based on a manga written by Ashita no Joe's writer. The manga for Tiger Mask is being scanlated but I don't really like the art as much as the anime.

Tiger Mask is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. even if you arent a wrestling fan, i highly recommend watching his matches cause they are so entertaining. Original tiger mask was like Bruce Lee if he was a wrestler. With that being said, I wont like the series because cartoons in general are shit when it comes to representing wrestling properly. it's just way too exaggerated.

https://youtu.be/_0GxjYqGCSs

https://youtu.be/A0UQeaKy0cs

https://youtu.be/qxnHl_IQs4Y

the athletic shit he did were insanely innovative for its time.

>>150962156
The first anime kinda covers the manga, but also kinda does its own thing after Rikishi dies. The second anime... ALSO makes obvious manga-to-anime changes but generally follows it closer. It's really fucking weird.

The first show ends with a very different message that boils down to "true fighting spirit is too pure to be held back by the rules and corruption of the boxing world". But it's actually delivered very well & works.

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>>150962252
Dude the wrestler named himself after the show, not the other way around. The show wasn't even pretending to be realistic, it was over-the-top and cartoony as fuck but also really brutal. There's a scene where the protag bites into a dude's skull AS IF HE'S NOT JUST WEARING A MASK AND IS A REAL FUCKING TIGER.
>I liked the fact it was a show for kids yet it had gruesome gore for the time and shocking imagery. lots of blood, decapitations, suicides by jumping off buildings, people getting their eyes ripped out. As well as having legit frightening designs. Really enjoyed that shit.
Have you read the manga? Japan has very different standards; the anime was actually a kiddified version and the manga was made more for a teenage audience.

There's a lot of demon gore and stuff, but near the end when the violence becomes serious & depressing and focuses on humans instead of supernatural beings it gets REALLY fucked up.

Actually it's the same with the Violence Jack manga. No matter how edgy the violence & rape in the fantasy bits that influenced Berserk gets, the most disturbing arc is still the first one where Jack isn't even present that's entirely about a normal kid's life being completely destroyed in the cataclysmic earthquake that kickstarted the post-apocalyptic Japan setting the series takes place in. There's gore but the gore isn't why it's disturbing, it's actually EMOTIONALLY disturbing.

And if when you read it you associate Violence Jack with the dumbshit Itano anime, don't.

>>150962087
Mediocre by Lupin standards is still good fun.

Also, I really like First Contact and that's mostly by how the character dynamics are established as the characters meet for the first time and that it's just a decent heist action movie.

>>150962369
I never said the show came after. in fact I knew that, I was just stating a fact that he's one my my favorites
>Have you read the manga? Japan has very different standards; the anime was actually a kiddified version and the manga was made more for a teenage audience.
im aware but I still enjoy the show for what it s. not claiming its one of the all time greats but compared to some of the other shit ive seen, its one of the more enjoyable ones. Been meaning to get around to the manga but I like owning my shit rather than reading it off of a screen.
>And if when you read it you associate Violence Jack with the dumbshit Itano anime, don't.

funny thing is I was going to watch the anime cause its only 2 parts long I believe. I have heard its bad but I have too much shit on my plate to read MORE manga.. maybe I'll read a few chapters since I am a Go Nagai fan... except Mazinger Z. fuck mech shit.

>>150962447
but it's not how they actually meet. it was all made up by Lupin

does anyone here have MAL? anyone who likes Lupin is a friend of mine, plus the people in this thread have good taste in general

>>150962536
read Ken Ishikawa's Getter Robo before deciding you hate mechs. Mazinger is centered around the robot but the first 70s Getter series is more about the story & action involving the human characters and mostly just uses the robots as an epic finale to each arc.

>>150962852
im aware that the better mech shows focus on the characters but i cant stand any show with giant robots in it. ive tried watching mazinger z, gundam, bubblegum crisis, blue gender, eureka seven, code geass, gurren lagann, robotech. I fucking hate it. it's incredibly boring. Im just done with it. ive learned its all shit and i'll never understand how people can sit through it.

fuck you dubfags

>>150963042
hmmm yeah in that case it's obviously just not your cup of tea

not sure why though since those shows are very tonally different

>>150963220
way to shitpost a good thread faggot. instead of coming in here and shouting how much you hate cartoons that are dubbed and the people who like them, even though this thread isnt about dubs, maybe you should go to your comfort zone like watamote threads and complain how much you hate them there.

>>150951928
So basically Ghost in the Shell 1995? Same thing happened there except worse, GitS "fans" see Oshii's vision as some sort of definition of the series.

>>150963381
ghost in the shell is legit shit though. such a dull movie filled with 2deep4u bullshit and way too much dialogue. Barely made it through that mess.

>>150963306
fuck you dubfag

>>150963492
Agreed, but only the Oshii film. That shit was awful and barely GitS.

>>150963306
just ignore him bro, trolls leave if ya dont feed em

anyway, lupin part 4 a great, lupin part 1 a best, lupin part 2 a shit, lupin part 3 a meh
fight me

There's so many different Lupins now I don't know where to start

>>150963381
I've not seen it or read the manga properly but from the clips & scans I've seen I can already see how people who prefer the manga got super annoyed

You also have retarded faggots like that one Youtube celeb saying "the only reason the GITS movie shows nudity is because it's making a deep feminist point you see AT LEAST I ASSUME IT'S NOT JUST PERVERTED TRASH WANTING TO SEE A LADY NAKED IS GROSS UGH OSHII WOULDN'T DO THAT WOULD HE?"

when the manga has an in your face lesbian threesome scene presented in a way one step away from just having a sign that says 'please masturbate to this'

>>150963691
how dare you shit on based part 2 and 3.

when you really think about it. There has never been a bad Lupin series. which kind of interesting.

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>>150963708
the beginning

>>150963708
start with green, then red, then pink, then blue. not complicated. feel free to start movies whenever, just make sure its after green.

>>150963944
although you could also watch fujiko series after pink if you want. it is a prequel to green.

does anyone have that lupin timeline picture that features all the Lupin incarnations up until the 2015 blue jacket incarnation? mentioned it earlier but i dont think anyone noticed.

>>150963966
I fucking hate that though, how Sayo tried to say "oh, this classic Lupin show? my new show that's radically tonally different and dark and fucked up is actually the prequel. it's now canon to green jacket, I just suddenly decided this 40 years later!"

dumb shit

>>150964208
to be fair. green jacket was pretty dark in the beginning. the fact that fujiko takes place before that and made it even more darker in tone kinda makes sense. I personally enjoy it a lot.

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>>150964144
this is the picture im referring to. anyone have the larger image?

>>150964380
ehhh not really, the Osumi episodes were RELATIVELY darker but still had plenty of silly shit

I think Fujiko is just in really poor taste in general, and the rare comedy bits felt outright unnatural. like the staff thought "ok this IS Lupin we gotta make him act like Bugs Bunny sometimes".

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>>150964144
>does anyone have that lupin timeline picture that features all the Lupin incarnations up until the 2015 blue jacket incarnation

Can't wait until it finally adds the 2020 movie Lupin vs Kaito Kid

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>>150964497
I'll post it if you call me daddy

>>150964544
daddy please.

>>150964528
some people actually want this which blows my mind. I dont understand how they could possibly want something like this. you're comparing the worlds greatest thief to some kid magician thief. you cannot possibly go about doing this movie unless you were to have Lupin completely outclass Kid, but even then that wouldnt make for a good movie. If they made it and put Kid on the same level as Lupin then it would be absolutely insulting.

>>150964574
https://a.uguu.se/HlcmNbznloRM_1475209287536.png
too big for 4chan

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>>150964669
>too big
the only thing too big for 4chan is my dick.

>>150964761
also someone update this shit with black jacket Lupin.. also replace some of the pictures with more acceptable ones that arent shit like Piolet, TV 3, bye bye liberty, Nostradamus, and Blue Jacket. is it too fucking complicated to find pics in which he has a straight face or even a smile. some of these over exaggerated expressions are a bad way to represent whatever films/shows their from. fucking amateur.

>>150964761
the pilot film is kinda narratively "fucking nothing" but I still really, really like it for how well drawn and animated it is. it's one of the few pieces of animation that gets close to capturing the manga look, along with Alice & Pink Jacket when Yuzo Aoki is animating it.

>>150965247
the pilot film doesnt have Yasuo voicing Lupin which is something that I personally dont like. In fact there are 2 slightly different versions of the pilot that feature 2 different people voicing Lupin.. also I kind of wish they had kept that other older detective around for the series but I guess that would mean Zenigata wouldnt be able to be that character who has a deep love and respect for Lupin if he had stuck around.. although they did use the detective for one one of the movies..

>>150965425
this is a very gay pleb opinion and contrasts with my general view on overly 'creative' dubs but I actually have more emotional attachment to the Red Jacket TV dub than the original voice actors.

I'm generally not a fan of dubbers, translators etc trying to make stuff 'funnier' or 'more modern' because they're generally humorless shits but I just feel it worked well for red jacket Lupin and made for a somewhat more entertaining experience. I can't really support it on principle because that would also mean being ok with stuff like the Shin Chan dub keeping many people from earnestly enjoying the genuinely good stuff that came out of the series like Adult Empire Strikes Back and its social satire set-up culminating in a bunch of unironically emotional-as-fuck family scenes.

>>150965653
I guess a way I could justify it this is that Shin Chan felt like an outright "gag dub" that had practically zero respect for the original work and just decided to mock this stupid weird badly drawn cartoon from japan xDDDD while Lupin's English dub still felt like it was at least mostly in the spirit.

>>150965714
>>150965653
that Lupin dub is literally great though because of the actors they chose. they are all amazingly talented people which made it so enjoyable. but I dont mind switching back and forth between sub and dub because both versions are great which is probably why its a smart idea to bring that cast for the blue jacket dub which i feel less guilty about watching since yasuo yamada has been dead for over 20 years and im personally not a huge fan of kurita's Lupin. obviously the new dub is going to be much more faithful to the japanese version rather than the red jacket dub but I really do the fun is with the cast and not so much the script.

as for shin chan. maybe its the nostalgia but I genuinely enjoy the dub. perhaps cause i never got the chance or even wanted to watch it sub. it's one of those things you grown up seeing and only want to associate with that version. I feel the same about Bebop and Trigun as well. I really don't think it matters as long as you get enjoyment out of it.

>>150965969
watch Adult Empire Strikes Back

Shin Chan really is like Japanese Simpsons right down to the unexpectedly emotional moments

>>150948459
Poopij the turd

>>150964625
>I dont understand how they could possibly want something like this
You're too caught up in "the existence of Kaito Kid insults the existence of Lupin III as a thief" belief. Both can exist.

>>150970474
I like kaito kid. I liked seeing him in Conan, but as a thief, you cannot possibly compare him to Lupin on an equal level. It's just too much

>>150968299
I'm assuming you're trying to say Poopin the turd which doesn't make any sense since Lupin's name isn't pronounced as Loopin. His name is pronounced as Lu-Pan. It is a French name that is simple to pronounce. I don't quite understand how people can say odd Japanese names with ease but when it comes to Lupin casuals always have to say it wrong.

>>150971127
it's actually a pun from the shin chan dub lol

>>150962602
>MAL
>good taste
Yeah, no.

>>150971327
There's nothing wrong with MAL so ger that meme way of thinking out of your head. It's used to keep track of the anime you watch and the manga you read. You can't possibly judge it's usefulness... Their ratings system on the other hand....

>>150971756
I said nothing about the tracking, hell, I agree that it works good

It is the "good taste" that bothered me

>>150971756
The community is pretty crap, but not as crap as the Youtube anime community

Many people on MAL downvoted the fuck out of "roriconfan"/"thatanimesnob"s terrible quantity-over-quality reviews of fucking everything and yet Youtube accepted him & made him a minor celeb

>>150971904
Never heard of that nobody.

>>150972033
I like to look for internet opinions on old anime so I look them up on various sites and I'm pretty sure he just spent years and years going through "anime of [year]" lists watching every OVA/movie he could find and reviewing it for e-cred.

He's in his 30s and uses gay /a/ slang & "patrician" 4chan meme opinions to look cool. I mostly agree with him on what's good or bad but it's still obnoxious as fuck to hear him praise something I like or shit on something I don't like because he basically just took the worst of this board and used it to build a shit internet 'character'.

>>150972666
The fact you watch people who try to make characters Instead of being themselves and doing a normal review is more your fault than theirs. Just don't watch them. Also you shouldnt read reviews generally speaking because 9/10 of the time the person doing the review is most likely retarded and has zero taste. The kind of people who will call romance comdies and shounens masterpieces but won't even watch anything pre 2005 because they think the animation is "dated". Plus the people who tend to review shit have casual tastes and think they know what they're talking about when most of the shit they've seen is what's popular now. These people are afraid of moving away from the mainstream that they will sit there with other plebs and honestly believe shit like FMAB and death note are the best anime ever even though they are truly mediocre compared to most other anime that completely blow them to shit in comparison. The people who aren't these people and may actually have taste tend to create shit characters because they're as bitter as the rest of us so they act obnoxious while shitting on pleb taste. it doesn't really help the people who just want to see a normal guy talk about good anime.

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Would say say Lupin is the oldest anime that still manages to stay fresh an innovative?

>>150974633
Yeah, probably. 1971 was the first series, right? Can't think of anything older that's still around and, for the most part, good.

>>150974857
1969 if you want to count the pilot film. I would of said cyborg 009 since that has a rich history as well but it's now being made into horrible CGI films. Plus there hasn't been an actual series for it since 2002.

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Here's how Lupin looks in the previous film compared to how he will look in the new film. I think the new one is much better aside from the jacket color. Much more natural looking, I'd even say he's more handsome. I'm the previous film his head was too thin and had a large pointy chin. We'll have to see a side view in order to notice whether they changed that. Overall better design.

>>150956902
TMS had say on those WB projects, they were not a ditch pot.

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Nice man

>>150976325
Their job is to draw. They have no input on the actual shows themselves.

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Is Lupin the most parodied character outside of shounens?

>>150978795
Yes they did have input, otherwise Little Nemo would of put them out of business as they made loads of money off of Tiny Toons.

>>150979938
They didn't have any input. If they didnt want to do what they were asked to do, WB would of obviously had another studio do the animation for them.

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Why does Lupin change his jacket's color anyway? I am talking about an in-anime reason, not IRL.

>>150980162
Yes they did, they lost so much money on Little Nemo that they needed a blockbuster hit to recover after the Nemo bomb and Tiny Toons was that blockbuster TMS needed to stay in business.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-05-27/anime-studios-success-calculated-based-on-10-years-of-disc-sales/.88558

Also, out of 47 shows that TMS released on DVD, only 5 of them passed 3000 copies, those were Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, The Sylvester And Tweety Mysteries, Batman The Animated Series and Superman The Animated Series in that order.

They had input.

>>150979755
Just watched outlaw star. They had a shit ton of Lupin influence

>>150981423
Because unlike most anime characters. Lupin has style and doesn't need 1 outfit to be iconic.

>>150981423
Go watch Green vs Red.

>>150981423
>I am talking about an in-anime reason, not IRL.
He owns more than one outfit. What other reason did you think there would be?

Green > Red with yellow tie > Pink > Blue > Red with pink tie > Black

>>150982437
Even in the pilot film he talks about his wardrobe and his love for being fashionable.

He smiles

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>>150975982
I think he'll have the same chin in the new movie.

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What's coming out next year?
Also I liked the new series, too bad the fragmented release thing with the italian version coming first stifled any discussion.

>>150985593
>too bad the fragmented release thing with the italian version coming first stifled any discussion
This. Discussion was extremely scarce, which is a real shame for a show like Lupin.

>>150955342
I always felt kind of a Franquin vibe from MP, but I doubt it's more than a coincidence.

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>tfw Zenigata is incredibly inconsistent in his competence depending on his writing
I really want him to be a worthy adversary to Lupin, not just some ditzy clutz.

two things first of all; where do I start with lupin? should I watch the pilot film or the first series?

also threads like these are gold, i wish we had a retro anime board

>>150987852
There's a torrent on nyaa with the green series. There's no overarching story but I recommend you go through it first, it's all pretty entertaining.
After that, well just follow this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_the_Third#Anime_series

Also that board would be dead as dicks

>>150988421
I don't know if it would be that dead, /m/ manages to have a decent community and much of their discussion is about retro shit. thanks for the rec btw

>>150988421
>Also that board would be dead as dicks
Yeah, there isn't really a substantial retro anime subculture like there is for retro games.

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>>150988516
>>150988518
At least we have pretty good pre-2000 anime threads. Or rather, we had as I haven't seen one for a while now.

>>150988421
>telling people to torrent Lupin instead of buying it and supporting him.

Retro anime is best anime. Let us name out favorite anime for each decade. I'll start
>60's
Cyborg 009
>70's
Lupin III Part 1
>80's
Lupin Part 3
>90's
Trigun
>00's
Welcome to the NHK
>10's
Lupin Part 4

Rules are no casual garbage and you must have at least 1 Lupin on your list or it's automatically shit.

>>150988619
We do? Do they talk about shit that isn't bebop or sailor moon?

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>>150990367
>60s
Speed Racer. Falls into the category of "Too young to know it was anime when I watched it."
>70s
Ashita no Joe
>80s
Probably my favorite decade from anime as a whole, and home to my favorite franchise of all time: Patlabor.
>90s
Barring the obvious choices like NGE and SEL, Initial D.
>00s
Kaiji
>10s
Nozaki-kun

>60s
Speed racer maybe? I dont know, I havent watched much 60's anime
>70s
Ashita No Joe
>80s
Akira, Royal Space Force, Patlabor, Maison Ikkoku
>90s
Cowboy Bebop, Legends of galactic heroes, Serial Experiments Lain
>00s
kemonozume, mononoke, mushishi
>10s
ping pong, steins; gate

>>150992542
>akira
Even though the plot was shit?
>serial experiments lane
Fuck that show. It felt incredibly dated even though I love period pieces. Was so boring and matrix-y even though I believe it does predate matrix.. Maybe it's just not my thing.
>steins gate
Pleb. You must of not have seen many 10's anime

>>150992675
my 2010 list was pretty lazy desu I've seen a pretty decent amount of more recent shit. I was big into tatami galaxy, Natsume Yuujincho, time of eve, death parade.

In terms of Akira, obviously the manga did way better in terms of plot but I think Akira is an amazing watch and the plot stands on its own fine if you havent read the manga. I get why you dont dig serial experiments lain but I just found it really interesting on a personal level.

>60's
Gegege no kitaro
>70's
Lupin part 1 & 2
Rose of Versailles
Cyborg 009
>80's
Dragon ball Z obviously.
Lupin Part 3
>90's
Rurouni Kenshin
YuYu Hakusho
Trigun
Golden Boy (Dub only)
>00's
Chobits
Welcome to the NHK
Genshiken
Casshern Sins
Michiko & Hatchen
Cyborg 009
Higurashi
Champloo
Kenichi
>10's
Fujiko series
Lupin part 4
Mayo Chiki!
Shiki
Yami Shibai
>worst anime of any decade
Nana


Rate my list. There are some shows I really do like and wanted to add but I think this is plenty.

>>150991697
You really missed out on those threads. Great, civilized discussions on retro anime like Rose of Versailles, Down Load, and california crisis, webm creating and sharing, just general fun with retro anime.

>>150993281
Never understood rose of versallies. What keeps it from being boring as well as separating itself from being a typical formulaic 70's anime?

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>>150964829

it's so weird to see them going with a black jacket for the main look. I hadn't even noticed that he was wearing a jacket in one of the scenes from the trailer, since in most of them he only had the black undershirt.

Also, reminded me of this.

>>150986887
With his old voice, it was easy to see him as comic relief, but with the new voice actor I doubt we'll see bumbling Zenigata again often.

>>150993565

It's a terrible choice but I think it's too late to change it. It's weird that the costume designer made mistake 101 with the jacket and shirt.

>>150993842
Agreed. Also black jacket just isn't flashy enough for Lupin's taste. Hopefully it's just a one off since koike used blue jacket once.if he decides to do a 3rd film, lets hope he goes for a new color. I also think Green jacket would be great since it's close to green jacket even though Gravestone and The new film takes place after green jacket.... Wait I just realized the new film might actually take place during red jacket since Gravestone sets up the Mamo storyline... The only way they could make it take place before Mamo and red jacket is if Zenigata never sees Lupin in the movie since he is searching for Lupin's body in transylvania at the beginning of mamo because he doesn't believe he's actually dead.

he gets angry

>>150995457
Sometimes

>>150994373
I don't think Gravestone is meant to take place right before Mamo. Lupin's death in Mamo involved a clone getting himself killed, not Lupin faking his death. The only thing it sets up is that Mamo had been spying Lupin for years, something that was mentioned in the Mamo movie itself.

I generally see it as taking place after Fujiko, but still before series 1, since Jigen still isn't very used to working with Lupin in the Gravestone movie.

>>150996653
You're making guesses instead of ignoring the facts. Zenigata finds all their graves in the end of gravestone. The next time he sees Lupin is in Transylvania because he is not convinced Lupin was actually dead. Even Mamo at the end said something along the lines of "it's time for him to handle it himself" I doubt he would say that then wait years later. It's too perfect to think otherwise. Gravestone clearly takes place after green jacket so don't over think it.