Miyazaki vs Tezuka

Tezuka, by far.

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>>150921241
tomino, the absolute rustle madman

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>>150921241
>>150921356
Wrong

>>150921370
the nagai "the pimpin so bitchin"?

>>150921241
Tezuka-sensei of course, no one can question ho importat he was for the manganime industry. Miyazaki is just more reconigzed by the mainstream audience.

Tezuka.

How is that even a question?

Miyazaki, by far. Tezuka made nothing of value. That's why people talk about Miyazaki and not him.

Anno

Implying tezuka created anime

>>150921582
>Tezuka made nothing of value.
You've never read any of his manga, have you?

>>150921582
That just because Miyazaki got the mainstream recognition.

>>150921241
Bah... Tezuka is known as the father of manga and anime, but while I do agree that some of his works are masterpieces, his style, writing and storytelling don't real have much to do with what manga and anime are today, they really feel more like western comics to me.

And that really shouldn't come as a surprise considering how much Tezuka took inspiration from western works.

Tezuka might have given birth to manga and anime but Miyazaki and others are the ones who gave them a distinctive identity.

One did manga and the other anime

You cant compare them at all

>>150921782
>One did manga and the other anime

They both did manga and anime. Why is /a/ still filled with newfags?

>>150921631
His work was adapted to anime and even had an studio
>>150921739
Because Miyazaki work is so similar to the actual anime and of course he loves how the industry is right now

I don't know how "importance" is possible to be measured. Really it just comes down to whoever's oldest a lot of the time. Tezuka of course is a notable for popularizing Japanese comics hugely, but still a majority of his stuff is based or has roots on Western things. As for Miyazaki, he definitely helped push Japanese animation leagues ahead forward technically with the guys at Ghibli and TMS and has been involved with a lt of critical international hits. Really they are quite different, and important in different ways.

>>150921794
Only as a distraction.
They were specialized in one medium only pretty much

>>150921370
This is the objectively correct answer. No /a/ work will ever surpass Devilman.

>>150921820
>Only as a distraction.
>Mushi Pro

Fuck off.

>>150921631
He did, or at least was the first to put it on TV, with Astro Boy. He basically created both the modern anime and manga industry.

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>>150921241
Miyazaki is the M. Night Shyamalan of anime.
Unimportant.
Untalented.
No substance.
Overhyped.
Plebeian.
Mainstream.
Trash.

He's a lolicon bastard who is so ashamed of himself that he constantly attacks anime fans for being what he is. Can you name one Miyazaki work that is an important evolution or legacy of anime? No, you can't. Nothing he ever did will ever match up to true masters such as Dezaki. Fuck Miyazaki, I wish he would have died 20 years ago.

>>150922160
Well Miyazaki work is not shit, but is clearly overhyped and mainstream. That doesn't mean bad.

>>150921370
Nagai designs on mechs are my favorite, mostly
because they manage to be very simple are and
cool as fuck, but i believe that Tezuka had more
impact on the whole industry than Nagai and Miyazaki together.

>>150922160
So contrarian and stubborn it hurts.

>>150922445
I've been watching anime and reading manga for over 20 years. Miyazaki's works are mediocre. He's a better business man than he is a creator.

>>150922487
Could be 50 years, but you'd still be a buttmad contrarian.

>>150921241

Tezuka, because he basically changed the perception of comics I do like both but Miyazaki just makes the same movie over and over again. Tezuka has a lot of variety in his repertoire.

>>150922723
And you'll always believe whatever you're told to believe

>>150922749
>Miyazaki just makes the same movie over and over again
I don't really see how you can say this with a straight face.

>>150922930
No, he's right. Miyazaki is extremely formulaic.

>>150922942
He has recurring motifs and ideas throughout his films, but suggesting that they're identical is just stupidly reductive.

>>150921241
The furry porn guy versus the anti-tech anti-society guy? As a human I'm mildly disgusted by both. Go Nagai.

>>150921370
>>150923091
Stop that, xPearse.

Neither of them. There were animators in the early 1900's who were already working on Japanese animation way before these two self-proclaimed idiots.

Tezuka and Miyazaki were influenced by other artists, notably Hokusai and his paintings. Without prior influences, no anime or manga creator could say they created anything.

Stop praising these morons like they're a gift from God or the universe. One's already dead and the other is close to death's door. I say good riddance when the other one falls dead.

>>150923190
Go Nagai is just as bad. He's the one out of the three who barely got noticed for his work until he started pumping out tits and ass in his work.

How relevant are the three today?
.....
Not as relevant.

>>150922487
>>150922160
Miyazaki is the Steve Jobs of anime

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>>150921241
Miyazaki is the most based

>>150923248
But Go is super popular for his mecha series as much as he is for his ecchi stuff, if not more

>>150923602
Hell, Nagai is more popular for his Devilman and mecha stuff.

>>150923584
This is amazingly accurate.

>>150923642
Italy here, Nagai is known for mecha
My dad's generation (45/55 years old by now) are ridiculously huge fans

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Pic related is the best director that's for sure.

>>150921324
Yep. We're done here OP.

>>150921582
>hat's why people talk about Miyazaki and not him.

By "people" you mean ignorant Westerners. Japan is all about Tezuka.

>>150923598
Haha ebin >>>/pol/

>>150923837
I wonder who could be behind this post

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>>150923584
this

>>150921370
This. All the others may be important but Nagai is the most relevant to our interests.

>>150923930
I wonder who could... No, wait, it's just /pol/ again.

Tezuka was way more versatile and wrote lots of different stories for different audiences

Miyazaki is just muh innocent lolis, muh nature, muh anti-war and technology for a dozen films with each of them become increasingly boring, slow and pretentious as Miyazaki ages.

Tezuka killed Anime. Miyazaki wanted to elevate the genre that was left rotten by the Tezuka type of productions.

>>150927372
>Tezuka killed Anime.

You couldn't tip your fedora any harder.

>>150921241
>important
Tezuka is by far more influential, so him.

You can fairly easily argue Miyazaki is better though, in terms of animation.

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No OP. They do not [create] anime.

Anime already existed long before the first humans discovered fire. These two are mere artists like millions of other humans who have had a glimpse on true anime in their sleep.

>>150923190
Congrats on having the most contrarian opinion in the thread. There's barely any early anime that has legitimate notability compared to its oversea counterpart.

>influenced by other artists, notably Hokusai and his paintings
Sure. They weren't influenced by golden age hollywood and literature during occupation after ww2. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>150923584
Miyazaki founded Pixar? I thought he didn't like 3D.

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>>150921582
Typical waito piggu idiot

>>150922160
No, Miyazaki is the Chuck Jones of anime.

>>150923930
>murdering people is ok if I don't like them
>>>/pol/

>>150921582
Tezuka set up the framework for the industry and Miyazaki built up on it and made works that had universal appeal. They're both pretty fucking important but the roles they played make it hard to directly compare them.

Tezuka is a God.
Miyazaki is just a director.