Now that I tnink about it, isekai fad isn't a bad thing at all.

Why does it have to be isekai? What's wrong with simple high fantasy?

>>150726704
This. We need more anime like Chaika

>>150726704
>Why does it have to be isekai? What's wrong with simple high fantasy?
Because High Fantasy was influenced by what was popular at the time. Just as Cyberpunk was influenced by the Japanese boom. You can't bring back something without changing popular trends.

High quality sports anime that focus on the characters and not the sport > isekai shit

>>150726704
Most Isekai is just high fantasy with a tiny irrelevant twist.

Hardly anyone actually uses their real world knowledge as a modern man in their fantasy medieval world.

Especially the ones with "OP cheats" because that means they have to rely on their knowledge of modern society EVEN LESS.

>>150726396
What, you gay?

is this gook shit?

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>>150727087
All those are reasons to NOT make them isekai.

I mean, if there is no actual interaction between worlds and the origin world of the MC doesn't matter at all there is no point on it.

That's why I prefer traditional fantasy. Not because Isekai is a bad concept, but because if you are not gonna use the isekai part then its pointless.

>>150727328
>Not because Isekai is a bad concept, but because if you are not gonna use the isekai part then its pointless.

Well, the few that DO use the isekai that actually has isekai as a major plot point is good.

The rest should just stay high fantasy, right.

Wait until they make a Isekai with gay sports, it will be glorious.

>>150728132
You mean a story where a band of jocks use their sports knowledge and power of teamwork to defeat the demon lord?

I'd watch it, probably

>>150726396
Too late.

>>150727328
>traditional fantasy

At least this fad results in some cute fantasy romance shit being produced.

>>150726704
-fish out of water story
-technology vs magic
-genre crossovers
-to add characters that wouldn't belong to fantasy normally
-In Medias Res (character already competent/experienced from the get go just not accustomed to the world)

as for the actual reason
-HikkiNEET MC (like you) getting beastgirl harem

I hope Dungeon Meshi and Goblin Slayer get anime soon

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Arifureta?

>not liking gay pole dancing
Pleb.

>>150734407
>Among the class transported to another world, Nagumo Hajime is an ordinary male student who didn’t have ambition nor aspiration in life, and thus called “Incompetent” by his classmates.

>The class was summoned to become heroes and save a country from destruction. Students of the class were blessed with cheat specifications and cool job class, however, it was not the case with Hajime, with his profession as a “Synergist”, and his very mediocre stats.

>“Synergist”, to put it in another word was just artisan class. Being the weakest, he then falls to the depth of the abyss when he and his classmates were exploring a dungeon. What did he find in the depth of the abyss, and can he survive

This underdog but actually overpowered thing is what triggers me most about Isekai.

It would be nice for a change that the isekai included a character making achivements through efforts knowledge or tactics.

>>150735040
problem is the knowledge and tactics characters also just get OP in that every strategy completely wins because of his "superior modern japanese knowhow"

For me I wish for balance, MC can have a cheat so long as it doesn't "defeat everyone and everything forever" just a small boost that he has to work to his advantage (like Devil Fruits in OP or Stands in JJBA)

>>150735040
>MC wins because of power/cheat
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of efforts
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of knowledge or tactics
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of [insert here[
>"plotarmor!"
You know it's true, that's what you usually hear on /a/ all the time after all, with slight variations.

>>150735188
Forget it man, Isekai MCs are always going to be Esdeath-level broken Sues, pulling a new OP power out of their ass any time shit goes sour. The people buying LNs don't want realistic conflict or tension they just want escapism

>>150735410
>pulling a new OP power out of their ass any time shit goes sour
It's almost like it's a shounen (or Hollywood blockbuster) or something... Oh, wait.

>>150735410
wouldn't the escapism and powerfantasy be better and more satisfying if the MC worked for it?

I was more invested in Rudi getting his harem than other series because he spent multiple arcs and heart-breaks trying to obtain it (though once he got it it became boring).

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>>150735369
>MC wins because of efforts
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of knowledge or tactics
>"plotarmor!"

I have never been someone in /a/ complaining because Kanta wins.

>>150726704
Because isekai isn't about fantasy.

It's about pandering to SAO fans who want a self-insert protagonist and video game mechanics.

Don't like men pole dancing? Are you gay?

>>150735188
>every strategy completely wins because of his "superior modern japanese knowhow"

A good story would model how his enemies would begin adapting to his "superior" know how and the next great challenge for him would be growing into his own person with skills and abilities beyond his "otherworldlyness."

>>150735505
Shounen MCs grit their teeth and prevail through the power of friendship and GUTS or some shit. Isekai MCs just go lol nope because they're either level 999 or have some one of a kind power/artifact that nobody else can even come close to

The best part of Isekai is when the Isekai swaps our to our world. Not enough series do that.

>>150735505
Snowflake powers for main characters are fine, but you know, at least they could be creative about it and start low and increase them as long as the story progresses.

You know, like he gets a sacred sword and little by little learns how to master it and use it in a different way.

Instead of getting an unbreakable armor, healing factor, a sacred sword that cuts everything and eyes of mistic perception, all in chapter one.

>>150735722
yes that is a good story

but a lot of the "uses brain and strategy" series won't have that.

>>150735797
feels like a downgrade imo

>>150735797
Well that's because that makes Isekai...proper Isekai. The other world thing has a meaning if they swap between worlds

>>150735840
Its not even just special snowflake powers. Theyre also Jesus blessed by the writing to always win.

>>150735588
SAO never had much to do with the narou trends though.

>>150735797
that's just terrible. wtf kind of world building would you get with that idea?

>>150735410
The chink novels whack off to power a lot, but most of isekai I've read in moon that have super broken off the bat MCs aren't actually a series based on action. It's based on comedy and harem hijinx.

I don't understand how you guys can keep complaining about something that was never intended. Do you guys actually think action is the meat of say, Death March? It begs the question if all of you have some extreme fetish towards shit posting or you're completely devoid of empathy.

Now whether or not those series are any good is a totally different matter, and obviously is mostly subjective. But it's basically a fact that most isekai with OP MC is mainly based on comedy. It's pretty nigger to complain about the lack of tension.

And it's not like /a/ is even trying to bring attention to the series that supposedly fit their taste other than goblin slayer. Every one of you is too pussy to share your shit taste and promote it.

Best Isekai are written by koreans. Jap isekai is basically
>MC given power up with no training
>MC gets harem without doing shit
OR
>MC betrayed
>Betrayal gives him power up

these are some of the worst stories i have ever read with some of the worst MCs i have ever seen.
Compare the 2 best KR isekai and 2 best JP isekai
Dungeon Defense
Running away from the hero
and
Mushoku Tensei
Overlord / Shield Hero

Like it's easy to take a shitty Isekai and improve it

>SAO
make him an average gamer, spend the series showing the progress in leveling, get rid of his abilities save the ones you will show him getting (LMS is sort of a good example)

>Re:monster
remove harem, make some of the raids outright fail, him getting injured (basically more battles like the Red Bear battle), have him work to be the leader of the race make the leader a great challenge and have him persecuted making the eventual take over a better turning point, and if you are going to have them rank up do it after great difficulty (hell make it a heroic death system where he has the choice to rank up every time he gets killed while checking certain criteria). Also either make him a against rape and have him no rape or make him unhinged and not care about the rape from the start.

>Kumo desu ga
Split the story and SS into two different series all together. In the main series make getting out of the cave just the beginning, have the outside monsters stronger and more variant, and the humans actual heroic monster killers that you have to worry about their strength and intelligence

>>150726396
Enjoy your new fujo overlords.

>>150737661
>Running away from the hero
how is running away from hero

I always try to read KR novels but they always make me cringe for some reason (mostly just reading CN novels nowadays)

>>150737661
As much as I like Dungeon Defence it has a very very weak worldbuilding. The war aspect was also kind of a joke. Its obvious it can't compare to the usual senki series that focus on them but it should try more in the strategy department, especailly when Dantalian has Centaurs and other monsters in his army there's so much more room for creativity.

Other than that I riked it.

>>150726773
Chaika was surprisingly not as shit as you guys made out to be. It's a straight 5/10 fun dumb shounen.

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>>150735797
I miss Hataraku Maou-sama too.
Then again, gay pole dancing.

>>150737873
a very interesting read

MC uses survival instincts like a cheat. not much i can explain from there.

give it a read and see. you won't regret it

>>150726396
>the best show this season isnt because man-love is icky

Coming from the guy who's probably jacked-off to cartoon horse porn.

>>150738682
I was thinking more in the line of Dunbine. First half set in another world and the second the characters from that world come to ours and take their conflicts with them.

>>150738946
Cat porn yes, horse porn no.

>>150738398
How can you enjoy anything under 7/10?

>>150739322
Because nowdays anything that is 5/10 is better than most things since the average is 3/10?

>>150737661
Dungeon Defense isn't any better (or worse) than Mushoku or Overlord.

Can't talk about Runaway hero cause I didn't read it

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>>150739934
>Dungeon Defense isn't any better (or worse) than Mushoku or Overlord.
everyone has different tastes anon. yours is clearly lacking

>>150737924
>it has a very very weak worldbuilding.
Yeah seriously, I want to print out a guide on creating fantasy worlds and slam it on the author's head because his world is just ridiculously incoherent. It's twice as frustrating because I suspect he's smart enough to get this stuff so he was probably just too lazy to think it through.

>>150740240
You are the one using that picture but Isn't 4'6 vs 4'7 clearly is an argument on my favor?

Unless of course you are posting it cause the number of votes instead of rating, as if being more popular meant anything.

In any case, that was a retarded move on your end.

>>150739904
5/10 is supposed to be the average and you add/subtract points from there. Too many reviewers start at 10/10 and only detract points.

>>150740494
???

???

>4.6 is better than 4.7
>this level of retard
>having more votes doesn't mean more people read it
>even though it came out years after Mushoku tensei and mushoku tensei is supposedly a must read in JP light novel isekai community
>this level of retard
Pushing this argument will be a mistake on my part. Your reply is unneeded

>>150740569
When I said the average I meant that most shows are a 3/10

>>150735797
There's a VN with that. https://vndb.org/v74

>>150737424
Wow someone with actual comprehension
Every one of these threads is filled with people who want a completely different writing style and levels of writing that literally never existed in LNs

>>150740604
More people reading it doesn't mean a shit, by that logic Sao is one of the best anime ever

And 4'6 is not any worse than 4'7, its almost the same

>>150740738
>virtually the same
Actually no, 88% of people giving one 5/5 and only 77% for the other is a pretty significant gap.

>>150737424
>>150740734
I disagree, they use so much game terms and otaku pandering and cliche, that it looks like they are parody, but, and that is exactly the problem, they don't intend to be parodies or comedies or at least most of them doesn't

I give that things like Konosuba, Slime, Gunota or Death March are OK because those ones are comedy, but all the rest (Like Mushoku, Re:Monster or Overlord, Shieldbro, Grimgar, Zero, Distpari, Dungeon Seeker, Maou no hajimekata, Spirit migration...) never were parody or comedy.

>>150730305
Fund it. The more I think about it, the better it sounds.

>>150730305
Gachimuchi in Isekailand?

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>>150741280
If i wanted GAY porn actors i would have said so already. But that'd be interesting to watch.

>revolutionizing adult entertainment in a medieval setting

>>150741181
>Overlord is not comedy
are you serious

>>150741380
I know, its hard to believe.

>>150741414
The divine comedy is called a comedy for a reason i guess.

>a play characterized by its humorous or satirical tone and its depiction of amusing people or incidents, in which the characters ultimately triumph over adversity.

>>150741500
The literary use of the term comedy and the modern colloquial use are only vaguely related at best.

>>150741612
Yep.
>In the Middle Ages, the term expanded to include narrative poems with happy endings. It is in this sense that Dante used the term in the title of his poem, La Commedia.

>>150735040
Actually, he's basically underpowered but coincidentally stumbles into being overpowered by having livesaving medicine he stumbled on moment's before allow him to survive eating otherwise fatal demon meat, which gives him bullshit stats and abilities as he eats more demons.

Not saying it's any better, but his class isn't really the better part of his being overpowered.

>>150735040
>MC is overpowered alpha
/a/ reaction
>shitty gary stu self-insert, I'm tired of OP MCs

>MC is weaksauce beta
/a/ reaction
>shitty betamax self-insert, I'm tired of beta protags

>MC is completely average
/a/ reaction
>Shitty boring and bland self-insert with no personality

>>150741798
I think his class would have been good if he managed to find a way to exploit it. He was able to bind a behemoth for a few moments and let the rest of his classmates escape. Not to mention one of the world magics is a beefier version of his transmutation magic.

>>150741889
>/a/ is one person

4. The MC has a heterogeneous mixture of strengths and weaknesses.
Has never happened in an Issekai so reaction is unknown.

>Last kumo chapter was almost a month ago.
Kill me.

>>150738946
is this show good? I dropped it since it seemed no better than boys Hollywood and Uta no Prince-sama. most of my friends love it but they have horrible taste and often confuse melodrama and slow burners for deep story

>>150742784
Don't ask /a/

>>150742784
>mentioning Shounen Hollywood and UtaPri in the same breath
Besides being about male idols they have nothing in common.

>>150741798
Isn't that basically the very same premise than Re:Monster and Slime?

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>>150741889
Well, may be they could try more with a relatable main characters with a set of skills that uses in a right way and evolves through his quest.

>>150741380
It have some parody elements, but comedy, not at all.

And no, not all parodies are comedy

>>150741362
>revolutionizing adult entertainment in a medieval setting
Sign me up.

Can we just go back talking about male pole dance? Isekai is boring unless it has mecha on it like Dunbine, Rayearth and Escaflowne.

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>>150744793
Nobody reason those though, probably because they're usually not isekai.

>>150744853
I'd watch this.

>>150745049
FMA was isekai done right.

I agree though, male pole dancing crossed with magical boys is the way forward.

>>150744517
Yeah and no. The main difference is that base Hajime sucks completely, and he happens to hit an extremely fortunate circumstance that would have benefitted anyone in his shoes at that time, while Monster and Slime entail a MC who is born as a shitty class/species but with exploitable abilities.

>>150741889
Well, what reaction do you expect when all of these are done wrong 95% of the time?

>>150744848
>Everyone thinks Ainz is hypercompetent at everything but he's usually just being Ciaphas Cain
>Absurdly overpowered beings who act like children with ADD or sitcom archetypes
>Romcom hijinks with inhuman monstrosities
>Gap moe/humor and exhilaratingly abnormal situations

Seriously maybe 20% of it is serious, the rest is just shitty gags and wasting too many pages setting up shitty gags.

>>150745173
Never saw FMA as isekai, not even the original show.

>>150745317
Have you watched the Shambala film?

>>150744848
>>150745301
Also you claim it's not comedy when some of the sub-plots could pass for Moliere plays.

>>150745454
Can we forget that movie exist?

Also, Isekai means "different world" but having a different world doesn't authomatically make something isekai, the same way that having an original world doesn't qualify something as fantasy or being set in the future isn't enough to qualify as sci-fi

>>150746476
The movie was good, why should we?

>having a different world doesn't authomatically make something isekai
So what makes isekai? In FMA you have magic travel from one world to another. That's enough of a definition of isekai to me.

>>150742784
Yuri on ice is a masterpiece that can't be compared to anything else.

>>150742784
The show does really well steering clear of forced drama and that's one of the biggest reasons why it stays enjoyable throughout.

>>150737661
Best chink isekai is the ones that doesn't focus on power levels or cultivation (there are actually some):

Release that Witch is amazing.

>>150746596
Isekai are works where the main character travels or its reincarnated into a different world , so the story takes mostly in that different world. Doesn't matter which is his original world, what matters is that he travels a new world he explorers.

In FMA there was a twist in the end where he travels to our world.

To be Isekai the traveling should have happened at the beginning and he should have expended all the story in our world (that for him would have been a different world).

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>>150747525
>Release that Witch is amazing.

Look for the summary, find cover. Is a blatant Dragon's Crown copy

Sasuga china

>>150735588
It's also about laziness. You no longer need to think about how the fantasy world functions. Just
>insert game logic here

>>150747525
this. the bane of chink novels is that cultivation shit. much like how Jp is "no sex drive" MCs and Korean is too much sex MCs.

Havent actually read release that witch because skeptical but a lot of anons have recommended. will pick up

>>150738946
Haha, silly fujoshi poster.

>>150747525
>>150747615
>>150747720
release that witch is genuinely good. Not "shit, but I enjoy it" or "ironically good", actually a good isekai. OP gets zero powers, magic isn't OP, and magic is used more as an utilitarian thing rather than as an offensive ability.
Only thing one might complain about is that it's improbable that an average mechanical engineer could know all the shit about gunpowder and steam engines that the MC knows.

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>>150735797
Pretty much every other gook isekai does that.

>>150747720
>cultivation shit
xianxia is a mistake. Then again, they seemed to have peaked at wuxia and never really tried to push for something different so they just kept scaling things with wuxia instead.

>>150741798
>>150735040
>>150734407
I don't like arifureta but I think his power aquisition makes sense. He eats demon, gets demon powers. He eats a different demon, gets new powers. It's like a more gruesome megaman. The problem is that when he gets out of the dungeon, he suddenly finds himself completely out of challenges.

if he kept finding more and more outrageous monsters to fight and eat it would have been fine.

>>150747615
Yes, the lack of original art is the bane that keeps RTW from being solid 10/10. It's still 9/10 purely for the story alone.

>>150747720
It is good and doesn't read anything like a typical chink novel. That's why so many people recommended it.

>>150747937
I much rather he remembers so much about the modern world to bring over to his medieval world than retarded "OP MC cheats".

Also, he has witches and alchemists to help test shit he can't remember (i.e. the Periodic Table).

>>150738946
>man-love is icky
Man-love IS icky.
Boy-love is much more appealing

>>150747720
>a lot of anons have recommended

It's the same guy spamming it in every isekai thread. I mean it's good but jesus christ stop shilling it every fucking time a thread pops up. There's other isekai shit out there.

>>150747937
wait. MC makes guns and steam engines?

literally the reason i dropped Re:Monster and Arifureta. I hate seeing things that led to downfall in humanity being put in fantasy setting. Guns ruin everything in a fantasy setting cos it basically gives anyone the power to kill anything with no prior training and no repercussion. it's basically a physical embodiment of plot armour

bringing the farm to another world had promise.
MC takes over body of noble from a family that has been banished to a shitty land. MC "cheat" is he has farmville magic and can create delicious vegetables really easily.

And then it goes to complete shit when for some reason his farmville magic can brainwash people, steal powers from magical artifacts, capture undead and make it work for him, and many many more powers completely unrelated to farming. It's the worst kind of "new powers as plot demands"


>>150748166
>It's the same guy
no I'm not.

>>150748224
MC has no magic, and there's no such thing as "levels". Like there's no "level 9 fighter that is so powerful he can take on armies alone", shit. Magic is very, very limited, most don't have any offensive abilities. So it's very focused on army vs army stuff.

So it's not a case of "guns vs fantasy" and more like "starting the industrial revolution early". Like, the world already has a form of blackpowder. The MC even realizes that some alchemists would probably breakthrough and make proper gunpowder and guns in a few decades.

>>150748224
Humanity needs guns. The world is pretty much extreme fantasy Australia, where hordes of demonic wildlife attacks every winter.

The great enemy in the world of RTW is the race of devils, who won the last two Holy Wars for the continent. They had been teching up from the first war (terraforming their lands with the red mist they need to survive, selective breeding soldiers for different tasks, taming giant monsters for mounts, using magic to shoot lightning from their hands and throw giant spears hundreds of meters) for the last 800 years while humanity is stuck using medieval era tech and with backs against the sea so there's nowhere else to run.

>>150748396
Man, that farmville magic thing reminds me of how Lazy Dungeon Master largely went to shit once they became millionaires for bullshit reasons and they can do literally anything now

>>150748135
whew

>>150748480
>the devils won the last 2 holy wars for the continent
>that's why they hide out in the forest and let the humans have free reign over everywhere else

Also they're astronauts from another world.

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>>150748166
I just want to talk about it with other anons, relax.

>>150748480
ok thanks anon. that's convincing.

are the guns all-powerful though? A human with a gun can challenge any demonic being 1 on 1 and come out on top?

>>150748645
You'd probably enjoy A Hero's War. It's the same kind of story except instead of witches it has standard magic and demihumans.

>>150748670
No. Regular muskets couldn't even deal with one of the hybrid demon-turtle things that attacked in the beginning.

He had to tech-up to canons. And not handcanons, like actual artillery, that needs a crew, is dragged by horses and shit. So it's not easy to deal with the big demons.

Honestly, the guns are dealt with really realistically. It's not so much that they're overpowered compared to bows and crossbows, it's more that they're easy to teach people to use. I also love that the author was using genuine classic early gunpowder era tactics, like pike and shot, before developing bayonets and moving on to lines of battle style.

>>150726704
Isekai is more convenient to the author.

In a traditional high fantasy you need an event that justifies beginning the story and MC's development, and it's difficult to come up with one that hasn't been done to death.
Isekai is essentially a 'done to death' introduction but it's easier to gloss over and be done with in the first few minutes.

Isekai also makes explaining concepts much easier, if they introduce some new thing the MC'd own lack of knowledge reflects our own while in high fantasy the MC should be expected to know their own world which makes explaining it to the viewer more difficult.

>>150748833
So basically it's a crutch for shitty writers.

>>150749056
Ja. Also helps with similes (which don't appear in WNs in any case) since you can compare something to an object that doesn't exist in universe (i.e. comparing an arrow to a bullet).

>>150749056
It can't be helped, a lot of them start out as webnovels mostly.
It's basically fanfiction-tier writing.

>>150748670
This is all spoilers, some of which not yet properly translated (I read all the raws via LNMTL), so have the gist of it:

First guns invented were regular flintlocks and 12-pound cannons, enough to bring down demonic wildlife and hybrids (magic abominations like house-sized turtles with multiple wolf heads) who invade every year from the first snowfall to the end of winter. Demonic wildlife are like larger muscled, far more aggressive versions of regular wildlife with minor mutations.

MC also invented cement so they can build a wall in months before winter starts instead of years. This allows the townspeople to stay for the winter and not have to leave the place 3 months a year.

The MC made revolvers and revolver rifles, and is trying to make howitzer artilleries. He's still desperately short of manpower though and the rest of humanity is engaged in infighting.

Hybrids become more intelligent the more north you go, see: >>150748645 and starts acting like zerg/tyranids. They even have giant nydus worms that tunnel under city walls to spew out monsters.

Devils are a step beyond that, since they outnumber humans AND out-tech them. They rely on the red mist to survive, so they wear breathing apparatus when outside of their lands (the Wild Lands were formerly human occupied), they cover all of it in red mist now.

So devils would probably gut a gun-wielding human since they can shoot lighting from their hands or skewer multiple humans with a spear from a hundred meters away.

>>150727328
the isekai thing is just a part of the overt escapism narrative Japan has to pump out to keep their current generation from just up and mass suiciding.
Same with how every shonen protag just wants to be the hokage and they do because they just WANT IT REALLY HARD PLEASE STOP FUCKING KILLING YOURSELVES GUYS

>>150748735
Thanks. I'll take a look.

>>150749236
Ive read better fanfiction on Pixiv honestly.

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>>150742194
At least there's still cute manga kumos.

How do you feel about Death March getting an anime over your favorite isekai?

>>150750286
since my favourite isekai will never have a chance to be animated no matter how popular it gets, indifferent.

>>150750286
i don't think anime can do any good isekai justice

>>150744853
Shieldbro accidentally created porn vids via crystal ball.

>>150750824
Believe in DEEN

>>150750286
>harem
>shit art
>mc becomes a god 5 seconds after being transported
Feels bad. I guess it's around Dungeon Seeker tier. Why is this getting animated? It's popular with japs?

>>150750286
But Youjo Senki airs next season.

>complaining about a dead industry
>not watching shit from the golden age

>>150751541
Oh, Tsuki ga translations are finally back with the original translator.

>>150750950
Konosuba is more comedy

How can DEEN capture all the keikaku in Dungeon Defense

I kinda like the one where the hikkiNEET gets transported with his entire house and asks 2chan for advice on what to do.

>>150751176
I was told it wasn't a harem. Was I lied to?

>>150754842
Death March? Well, the MC doesn't have feelings for most of his harem, but most of his harem wants the D.

>No isekai where the MC is reincarnated as an NPC
>Has no combat skills at all
>Basically lives in their fantasy world, but without the ability to be an actual hero
>Main conflict is the MC learning to live in his shitty four-house village and just learn to enjoy what they already have - nice fantasy SOL shit
>Make the MC reincarnate as a girl if that's not enough of a hook

Why is nobody writing this?

>>150755586
Because that would be boring?

>>150755625
Oh, but another "Generic otaku gets transported to basically fucking Dragon Quest and assembles a harem while oneshotting enemies" series isn't?

Hell, one change that would easily make things different is to not focus on just swords and sorcery fantasy. How about entering a steampunk world? Or a cyberpunk one? Or vaporwave?

>>150755586
There probably is, but nobody would bother translating it.

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>>150750286
Boo Boo doesn't have enough content for an adaptation, I'd rather Blood Sign gets one first anyway.

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>>150755586
Yuusha ga Shinda isn't isekai but it's what you're looking for.

No SoL fagginess though, only thighs.

Anyone read the new Laplace series from MTs author? How is it?

>>150757263
A true thigh lover

>>150747525
I myself have fondness for Warlock in Magus World

>MC has a cheat but it isn't OP he only gets a slight boost against his peers while more powerful/more experienced magi can wipe the floor with him
>MC is ruthless but isn't needlessly edgy, he does things by cost/benefit analysis and can be affable when he needs to or has no reason not to
>People get by by being intelligent no dense JP MCs or murderhobo CN MCs
>focuses on the scientific aspects of magic MC develops magic through experimentation and information gathering

though it does have powerleveling (even the cheat can be powerlevelled). But I myself like powerlevels my only problem with Chink novels is that they rehash the same damn plot over and over

>>150750286
Death March won't sell well.

Japan doesn't really care much about lolis anymore and the MC is anti lolicon and extremely reluctant to be a lolicon.

Also, the author kinda fucked up by having his MC put all Skill Points in Poker Face so that means MC will have an expressionless face most of the time.

Once his publisher finds out the anime bombed, they will probably axe his series soon.

>>150759512
I just hope Tama and Pochi aren't shit.

>>150758082
Can't believe MTfags exist once the author was revealed to be a true hack with his MT epilogue extra chapters and the tantrum he threw online when people didn't like him forcing his shit fetishes down his fans' throats.

>>150759562
What exactly did he do?

>>150759275
>mc has cheat but it isn't op

Don't lie, the AI chip is super OP. He would've never been a potion master without it. He would've never had encyclopedic knowledge of everything without it. He would've never been able to run simulations of combat, spells, or compositions of matter without it. And he definitely wouldn't be able to recover whenever he gets his consciousness fucked up by some magic without it automatically flushing his system. Even if the AI chip didn't level up alongside him it still was 100% responsible for giving him the opportunity to able to become a magus in the first place without dying like a bitch, and that is a colossal advantage.

Are there any cultivation novels where the MC doesn't have a cheat?

The weakest cheat I can think of is basically a godly physique/godly talent.

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>>150726396
Are you seriously implying that generic isekai is a superior alternative to a hilarious, touching plot twist that was so fucking clever it forces you to reconsider the entire series in a new light and find that it makes perfect sense and explains everything, despite the fact you never saw it coming?

YOI is very good in many ways, most of which I wouldn't bother trying to explain to a board full of people who think a series not aimed at them = inherently shit writing, but that scene was an undeniable stroke of genius.

>>150760992
Yes a pole in the middle of a banquet hall is genius writing and not just blatant fanservice.

>>150760859
All cultivation novels are shit.

My apprentice keeps dying is okay, I guess?

>>150761017
It's almost like fanservice and good writing aren't mutually exclusive, idiot. The pole dancing is sexy drunk shenanigans for comedy's sake, how the situation relates to the rest of the story is what's genius. Actually that's selling it short, sexy dancing is why Victor has been so confident of Yuuri's eros, and it was why he felt so confident being overtly sexual in his flirting from the start.

I'm sure you haven't actually watched the series though, or that'd be pretty obvious.

>>150755790
I think the problem is that unless there was some sort of other hook to it, the slice of life Isekai would be a little boring. You could just as easily make a regular fantasy story about a civilian living in a fantasy world without the isekai.

But then again, the "learn to love what you have" angle might make for a good story, and the show becomes a tale about how MC wanted to escape his boring modern life, but comes to appreciate the little everyday things as he adjusts to his new life in fantasyland.

>>150761469
Foreshadowing isn't genius, it's a very normal thing to do, specially in anime. I'm sure you haven't actually watched more than 50 series though, or that'd be pretty obvious.

>>150761517
Well executed, logical, unpredictable plot twists are pretty fucking rare in anime though, and I know that by watching plenty more than 50 shows. Manga is even worse due to the nature of serialization.

It was an extremely simple twist, and it's true the foreshadowing would be easy to write in once they knew where the story was going. But the fact that they pulled it off perfectly without the audience even suspecting shows how well planned it was, and it was a great balance of funny, sexy and emotionally affecting.

>>150760301
Wrote how Rudeus's 20 year old imouto raped his 10 year old son and even got pregnant from the rape and badly tried to justify it since Rudeus's sister only did it because Rudy didn't want to fuck her so she raped his son only because he had a barely passable resemblance to young Rudeus.

The chapter had such a bad reaction that the author was deleting negative comments in real time before eventually deleting the chapter and claiming the Admins of the site deleted it without warning him despite the fact the web novel site has raunchier web novels that never received such aggressive censorship.

Author later ended up stating he deleted the chapter, himself, in the end and that he was gonna retcon the event but don't know when he will post it in the future.

>>150761604
>and it was a great balance of funny, sexy and emotionally affecting.

This is what tumblrtards actually believe.

>>150761656
Holy shit, don't know how much of that is true but sounds some great stuff went down. Should've just ignored the raging autists and wrote the thing however he wanted.

>>150761604
It was OK. It wasn't mind blowing or genius, just competent. It was a very simple twist/reveal that it really wasn't that hard to pull off.

>>150747551
I realize I'm almost 8 hours late here, but the movie took place almost entirely in the alternate world. It's definitely isekai.

>>150761656
You know whats happening in the Laplace spinoff? Who cares about Ludeus and Aisha, they'll be dead by the the time the sequel hits.

I've been hearing about some mindblowings reveals and that that its kind of a setup for the next story but nothing too specific.

>>150761379
>My apprentice keeps dying is okay, I guess?
>fujoshit
>good

>>150761731
MTfags try to claim their author is some god tier writer.

Still remain in denial when the author is the hack otaku writer they always talk shit about.

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>>150762036
>he doesn't enjoy fujoshit

>>150749056
>>150748833

Yeah, a crutch. It's also why non-isekai fantasy worlds start with provincial farmboys who still likewise needs to be transitioned into more metropolitan and fantastical. You typically don't just start with your MC being the wise old wizard or elf queen.

>>150761892
Not him but this what I've heard so far. It takes place when the worlds were barely made.


Laplace's instructor who taught him everything was Pergiuses mother and one of the Dragon Generals

Orsteds dad is Laplace.
Hitogami's daughter is married to the Dragon god-The original dragon god btw.
It seems when this powerful dying deity created the 6 original worlds he bound them together somehow so the balance was always kept and they did not get destroyed but kept on prospering. To oversee that task after his death this deity split himself up or rather gave birth to 6 'overseers'(One of them is the original powerful dragon god sent to the dragon word) so to say, and sent them in each of the worlds which are:
>Dragon World(Inverted, there are mountains where sky should be and there's sky in place of the ground. The organisms who can't fly are being preyed upon)
>Demon World(Miasma hellhole)
>Beast World(probably where all those kemonomimis and other shit come from, huge forest and stuff)
>Sea World
>Heaven world
>Human World
The evolution and everything wasn't going so well in the worlds with harsh enviorements so the survival rate of the races who inhibited them(Talking about the Intelligent ones) were very low.
The sea race, human race, and the beast race had it best it seems(Mostly becauset they didn't have shit like miasma and very dangerous lifeforms that could threaten them)
Humans especially since they lived in a world which allowed them to quickly develop and that world didn't have stuff like red dragons which were a major pain for the dragon race since at first they were almost exterminated by them.

While the humans also had many issues, their short livespans and being able to pass the accumulated knowledge, high reproduction rate and other details allowed them develop the fastest

Hitogami offered a suggestion to the others to hold meetings periodically and swap the technologies of their worlds.

>>150727087
My issue with most Isekai is how gamey half the worlds are. Shit has arbitrary levels and skills and its just used to conveniently handwave shit.

Also makes for terrible world building.

>>150727087
>>150762684

What do you make of Escaflowne, Genmu Senki Leda, Now and Then, or El Hazard?

>>150762115
>>150761731
>>150761656
I'm actually very upset that it was retconned because its the only instance where redues comes to terms with how much he was scum in the other world, and the only time he talks about his past there.

In the beginning it was implied that he was masturbating or something to pictures of his neice, which he may or may not have abused.

Shit came full circle, aisha finally got character development and we finally got drama, Imsalty as fuck that the nips of all people were outraged at something

>>150761892
>>150762641

Thanks to that the humans learned how to use touki thats so spread now from the Dragon Race and how to alter the insides of their bodies from the demon race(Humans didn't know about touki at all at first it seems)

They learned to tame powerful creatures thanks to the beast race.

Learned to filter the water and other stuff from the sea race etc.

As for Laplace it seems he was born in the demon world but he's a half dragon race which is baffling because no dragon race should've been in the demon world at that time or so the Dragon God confirmed it. He can't talk at that time and its a story how he survives there(There's some serious infection spreading in all worlds and Monsters/Mamono are created) unitll the Dragon God saves him and takes him to his world. After that it describes his life there and thats where the whole story begins with some serious twists it seems or well thats how much I've heard.

Also the laplace who's telling all this to a little girl might be that elf bitch who keeps sleeping with everyone and there's a theory that Laplace afterwards(After he became mad and shit) might've had something to do with it so it could spread his essense for his reincarnation or something

Take all of this with a grain of salt, but I guess it's true that he went all out with the worlbuilding and setting stuff up for the sequel.

>>150762767
Yea and I heard many people on narou are of that opinion that he should've just left it like that.

>>150762641
>>150762897
Jesus man why isn't anyone translating it?

Thanks btw, sounds like a lot of shit went down. Also what do you mean by Laplace telling all of this to somebody?

>fags on ice thread hijacked by isekai fags
I am proud of you, /a/.

>>150763253
Laplace or rather while he's still a techinique god and somewhere closer to our timeline lives together with an elf girl who's helping out with his job. The elf girl asks him to tell him about his life before they met each other since even though they've known each other for so long she doesn't know much about him and thats how the story beigns it or so I've heard

>>150763391
>Implying this was not an isekai thread from the very begining

>>150763391
It's never been a YOI thread, see how barely any YOLfag react.

>>150735040
the dumb thing about arifureta is that it was great until the part where the MC got OP powers from eating monsters. Why the author suddenly decided to ruin his series is beyond me.

>>150762115
Nobody is trying to claim that at all. People just enjoy the story for what it is.

Although I will claim that he's still better compared to like 90% of the real hacks from narou with no sense of originality and their copy/pasted trash, which isn't much of an achievement of course.
But when you have series like slave harem being churned out daily you know the standard is low.

>>150764735
>the dumb thing about arifureta is that it was great until the part where the MC got OP powers from eating monsters. Why the author suddenly decided to ruin his series is beyond me
So it was great for like five chapters?

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Now that I think about it, this fujoshi fad isn't a bad thing at all.

>>150726704
>Why does it have to be isekai?
It doesn't have to be, it's just that it wasn't overused in the past.

>What's wrong with simple high fantasy?
Nothing. It's just that they've already done that enough back then.

>>150765071
>Sakamoto666
How? How does one manage to fuck up so bad that his work gets taken down for plagiarism at narou of all places.

>>150765031
yes. It could have been a great series about the underdog enchanter supporting his party and making his classmates eventually grow to respect him because the equipment he makes was crucial to their success.

But no, lets suddenly make him more powerful than the hero in chapter 6 and lets have him level up constantly by eating monsters instead of needing to train, gain combat experience, etc.

>>150765335
>lets have him level up constantly by eating monsters instead of needing to train, gain combat experience, etc.
To be fair, he went through more trial by fire training and combat experience soloing that dungeon alone than the rest of the cast combined. The thing is that it contributes to about 1% of his combat ability and the other 99% still comes from his convenient power ups and retarded hand waved magitech.
>muh handheld railgun

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>>150735040
>It would be nice for a change that the isekai included a character making achivements through efforts knowledge or tactics.
How about this guy

>>150765463
the manga doesn't even show how he defeated the monster that had him backed into a hole. It suddenly showed him standing over the monster with some kind of black spear thing.

>>150738946
>because man-love is icky
yeah, it is. Homosexuals are freaks of nature and homosexuality is a product of brain-damage.

>>150765511
Obvious he defeated it with the <Darkness Spear> skill he gained from earning the <Edgemaster> title.

>>150765507
Didn't he get the cheats as it usually happens?

The isekai genre would greatly benefit from MC like Lelouch/Light that want to conquer the new world.

>>150766144
Aside from his teammates? Nope.

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>yuri anime
>cute girls making out in cute ways

>gay anime
>homos in underwear pole-dancing in front of a disgusted crowd

Fujos were a mistake.

>>150766144
The joke is that he was offered the cheats but took a girl with him instead, she turned out to be completely retarded and now he needs extra effort to make her any useful at all.

>>150759512

Almost no isekai sell well.

The only ones that did were Re Zero, Konosuba and Overlord. And none of them was a typical isekai.

>>150766548
Look at Arifureta, its selling like 30k+ already with only a few volumes out. Thats unthinkable for a series fresh out of narou.

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>>150765221
he is the hero narou deserves, but not the one it needs right now

>>150766590

Because loli vampire.

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>>150726773
Chaika was a meme show for twats.

Bahamut is where it's at.

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>>150766548
>Almost no isekai sell well.
>proceeds to list almost every isekai anime in the past few years as "exceptions" to the rule

>>150766988
Those who get an anime adaptation are already extreme outliers.

>>150766988

Konosuba is a parody of generic isekai. Re Zero is "deconstruction" of generic isekai. Overlord has a completely non standard MC.

They are nothing like 99% of isekai.

>>150766548
and yet the first two are painfully bad harems and the last one is a OP MC power wank fantasy.

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>All the fags in this thread actually praising chink novels
The chinese couldn't make something original to save their fucking lives

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>Muh superior nippon cooking seasonings

everytime I read isekai their will be a fucking talk about cooking and seasonings.

>>150767678
They do have a point though, the best thing you can do in any premodern society is teach them how to fucking cook.

t: Frenchman

>>150748091
That's the same that happens with SLIME

>>150767607
To be fair, Nipponjin themselves really love making something based on Chinese stuff like the RoTK.

>>150754842
When you see someone telling is not a harem its probably a harem.

I know lot of people is afraid of the thing they like being tagged as "harem" because in most circles "harem equals shit" but I don't see reason to go as far to be in denial.

>>150765515
What that makes people that have sex for enjoyment and not procreation

>>150767923
Only stuff based on classical Chinese.
Communism killed most of the culture they had so now there's nothing to rip off.

>>150726890
Hetshit > gayshit

>>150768195
But what if hetshit has shitty characters and gayshit has amusing ones

>>150765335
I think readers and not authors are to blame for that.

I have no doubt that if this stories are like they are is because Japanese audience just doesn't have the patience to immerse in a setting or for the characters to be properly introduced, they want you throw them to the face in the first chapters the MC with a complete set of powers and his entire harem, couldn't care less about world building.

>>150766537
>she turned out to be completely retarded
Can we stop this meme
Aqua has more common sense than Megumin
She's just dumb, not "completely retarded"

>>150768260
But all evidence points to the fact that shitty harem ripoffs/mary sue MCs usually do not sell well, which means the market doesn't want them.

Let's look at Isekai anime/manga. I can literally only think of ONE that doesn't have a OP MC or a MC that instantly gets a love interest which quickly starts turning into a harem. Apparently that manga is very popular, although im not sure what kind of ranking it has. It's called Duke's Daughter or something.

Manga is usually adapted from LNs though, so maybe looking at the rankings of the most popular Isekai LNs in Japan might give us a better clue. Even series like Re:zero are at least a cut above the rest in that the MC is more detailed than the typical self-insert, look at series like Death March, you literally never start caring about the MC because he is so bland and is simply a walking plot device to get bitches.

>>150768467
>But all evidence points to the fact that shitty harem ripoffs/mary sue MCs usually do not sell we

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-11-30/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series-2016/.109355

In the top 10 there are 4 Isekai, if you add shitty harem ripoffs that are not isekai there is 7 in the top 10.

If you continue going down to the 20 there is 4 more isekai (or mary sue mc harems)

I'd say they sell pretty well

>>150755790
one boring thing being boring doesn't make another boring thing not boring.

>>150762036
>>150762361
>fujoshit
I thought fujoshis liked man on man stuff, my apprentice keeps dying has a female MC, who has normal non-gay romance. Also the focus is on the comedy anyway.

>>150762684
>gamey
gamey isekai is specifically a subgenre
there's plenty of shit that doesn't use gamey terms

>>150764735
>the MC got OP powers from eating monsters
the only good part of arifureta is getting powers from eating monsters

they should have kept that and forgot about the harem stuff
just travel around the world eating the greatest threats around

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>Re:Monster
>Slime
>Arifureta

I don't see the charm of getting a shitty starter class to become overpowered in a couple of chapters.

I would understand if it shown how with a shitty class they slightly progress until they are competent and respected.

But what's the point of making them "shitty" just to make them overpowered right after the beginning?

Isn't that exactly like the trope they want to break? Don't they realize that by deconstructing the deconstruction they are playing the straight thing?

How is "I teleported to another world but... not as a Hero!" (but as underdog that became overpowered) different to the "I teleported to another world as an overpowered hero"?

>>150742784
It doesn't have unrealistic drama and is a cute SOL that has a real naturally developed relationship.
Maybe wait until it's finished and the BDs come out to avoid some of the animation QUALITY though.

>>150769147
>How is "I teleported to another world but... not as a Hero!" (but as underdog that became overpowered) different to the "I teleported to another world as an overpowered hero"?

I don't like either of these 3 novels, but the difference is: teleport to another world as a hero means you have a goal: Go kill the demon king. If the MC decides to say "fuck that I want to travel the world and eat the food" it feels irresponsible.

Teleport to another world as not a hero means you don't have a goal so the protag can go around traveling the world helping people at his leisure without feeling guilty.

>>150726773
Or an El hazard similar....

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>>150769147
You are not the only one. And Literally Copying Powers is one of the worst superpowers an author could put in his work.

I don't even like NEEDLESS that much because of an MC having that superpower. That and both endings to manga and anime sucking ass, I guess.

>>150767607
Please PLEASE tell me what release that witch ripped off so I can read it too.

>>150767899
Tells us more anon

>>150769147
Would be better off writing about a division of super soldiers that eat monsters to gain their powers. The conflict can come from both outside enemies and the fact that eating monsters like that will eventually corrupt their souls.
Yes I just described the FFXI Blue Mage lore, it was an interesting bit I'd like so see a full story of.

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>>150769147
>But what's the point of making them "shitty" just to make them overpowered right after the beginning?
>Isn't that exactly like the trope they want to break? Don't they realize that by deconstructing the deconstruction they are playing the straight thing?
>How is "I teleported to another world but... not as a Hero!" (but as underdog that became overpowered) different to the "I teleported to another world as an overpowered hero"?
The point isn't to "deconstruct" or "break" any established cliches, it's simply to re-arrange them into a revenge fantasy.

The point of them being underpowered and mocked in the beginning is a setup for "I'll show this shitty world that they were wrong about me! Just you wait! I'll become STRONGER and BETTER than all of you riajuu bullies! Then you'll regret ever messing with me!"

Your standard 俺TUEEEEEEE MC just wants to revel in power and women, your revenge 俺TUEEEEEEE MC wants all that so he can squash all those who ever wronged him in life (but not too much, so he can show that he's the "better man" than them).

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>>150769397
>Literally Copying Powers is one of the worst superpowers

fuck you

>>150760397
colossal advantage yes

But you keep getting the feeling that if this was a JP novel the AI chip would've made him get all the spell and allow him to cast them quicker than master magi and even make him magi in a day rather than a few years.

He still has to break his back to get all the spells, items, and methods of upgrades himself.

>>150760859
novels written by Er Gen

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>>150769690
Sorry there, never played the games but does Megaman have perfect copies of his adversaries' powers? Does he get to keep them forever and ever? If yes, then I am not sure if I like this boy.

Also, I mostly meant non-interactive fiction like books, manga and anime.

>>150747937
Dude I'm a college dropout that works at a smoke shop and even I know that much.

It's all about passion.

>>150769873
No and no.

>>150769384
>we want high fantasy, not isekai
>El hazard

????????????????????

>>150767789
>>150767678

like the whole age of discovery was funded by the spice trade

before they got to India there wasn't much seasoning other than salt and not much sweetening other than honey

>>150769945
Then I have nothing against Megaman.

>>150768328
>loses all of her money gambling
>wastes skill points on literal party tricks
>puts a barrier around the cemetery so the souls of the dead scatter and terrorize everyone
That's called lacking common sense.

>>150766707
What do you think went through his head when he named himself Sakamoto666.

>>150770321
>>150769945

Likewise Megaman and Kirby are vidya so the power usefulness is reliant on the player's skill.

MCs uses all abilities to its upmost proficiency at the same time and wreck any character with it

and with the RPG scenarios it's more like FF's Blue magic (except with ALL the monster abilities and not just a select few) than platform copying

>>150770450
>has maxed out healing abilities better than anyone else on the planet that ensure you party basically can't die (permanently)
>has exclusive access to infinite revives when everyone else can revive people a maximum of one time because she can bully Eris into letting her revive people more than once
>can OHKO most demonic beings with her priestess skills
>can negate some of the most powerful barriers in the world
>all this is basically tailor-made for defeating the demon king and his lackies
Not an OP cheat my ass.

>>150770603
Not the guy arguing she wasn't a cheat but Kazuma dying is a gag, the plot could be arranged so he never died and it would be the same as every other novel where the MC never dies but the series at its heart is a comedy.

This year's Kono light novel ga sugoi was pretty much dominated by the isekai as well. Considering there were so few in the last years it's impressive.

Best Light Novel
1: Ryuou no Oshigoto！
2: Re:zero
3: New Testament
4: SAO
5: Goblin Slayer
6: Melody · Lyric · Idol · Magic
7: Gamers！
8: Weakling Character Tomosaki-kun
9: KonoSuba！
10: This love and its future

Best Book
1: Overlord
2: Monogatari series
3: Kumo
4: Mushoku Tensei
5: Hon Suki No Gekokujo Shisho Ni Naru Tame Ni Ha Shudan Wo Erandeiraremasen Dai1 Bu
6: Ninja Slayer
7: Kyūketsuki ni Natta Kimi ha Eien no Ai o Hajimeru
8: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
9: Oblivious Detective series by Nisio
10: Kono Sekai ga Game dato Ore dake ga Shitteiru

>>150771264
Meant for>>150768687

>>150771264
How many series on the rankings don't have an adaptation? I was surprised to see Kyousuke and the White Queen in the top 10 for male and female characters despite no adaptations, but I'm not familiar with the others as much.

>>150771264
is that the same competition or whatever where a machine written LN won a top prize? Because if it is, it kind of explains why so many shitty novels somehow got "best light novel".

>SAO
>best light novel

This is like twilight winning an award for best fiction. The judges instantly lose all credibility.

>>150773067
How rude, Kamachi.exe deserves a fair chance just like the human authors.

>>150769505
What there is to tell? More or less same beginning, person goes into another world as Slime and he ends in a cave and adquires the powers of those creatures he eats.

>>150757263
Yuusha ga Shinda is the best fantasy parody there has been since Slayer.

And the best thing is that it doesn't rely on "gaming" things and references

>>150769313
Those three novels are nice in the beginning, same as shieldbro, you know... while it covers the part how they are becoming stronger and suffer. It is kind of refreshing.

Then when they get out from that it becomes just like pretty much another fantasy work, they start to do friends and good things (they bitch but in the end are good people), everyone start to praises them and its kind of boring.

Not that the series turn bad, but it feel like a waste to be honest.

>>150773400
You could have mentioned it was born a monster that spawned from the magical energies of a mass of sentient mana in the form of a dragon, which is one of the absolute strongest existences in that world. And then he becomes bffs/literal brothers with said dragon. Forming a convenant that feeds itself back making them both stronger if the other aqcuires power.

>>150773816
anyone with half a brain can come up with some shitty reason for the MC being a mary sue, i mean just look at the shit that is on deviantart.

Making the MC a mary sue means you have failed one of the most basic tasks of writing a story. At that point, the best thing you can aspire to is be something like a "cult classic" movie : shitty but people will watch it on cable during friday nights where they have nothing better to do.

You will notice that immortal classics like lord of the rings or starship troopers (the novel) never have mary sue MCs for a reason.

>>150774027
>cult classic movie
>mention starship troopers
Heh. I get what you're saying, i just felt that needed to be pointed out.

>>150769873
Kirby could keep all the powers he acquired in one subgame of Superstar, but that didn't really detract from it.

>>150774027
Do explain how Aragorn II son of Arathorn, Elfstone, Dúnadan, Chieftain of the Dúnedain, Heir of Isildur, King of all the Dúnedain, King of the West, Lord of the Dúnedain, Envinyatar - the Renewer, High King of Gondor and Arnor, Lord of the House of Telcontar, the man who wields Andúril, Flame of the West, the reforged sword Narsil is not a Mary Sue.

>>150774564
People don't instantly love him the moment he shows up. In fact he comes across as untrustworthy. A Stu is loved by all for no real reason and bad things happen to anyone who doesn't instantly like him.

>Generic otaku gets transported to basically fucking Dragon Quest

That's an insult to Dragon Quest

>>150775160
Dont most japs reference dq every time they talk about heroes, demon lords and stuff?

>>150775264
Yes, but DQ is actually good at it.

>>150773472
>Yuusha ga Shinda is the best fantasy parody there has been since Slayer.

Noticed the newfag.

>>150775160
>ridiculously formulaic
>copying machines have more variety
>mad that an incredibly easy to understand barebones system is used ad nauseam just like it is in the game series

>>150775730
Must be sad to see your franchise going to shit, eh, Final Fantasy fag.

>>150775788
I have not played a FF game since 4.

>>150774564
Aragorn is not the MC. Frodo is. Frodo is a weak hobbit who was forced to go on a shitty adventure because baggins or whatever his name is got greedy and kept the ring.

If the MC of lord of the rings was Aragorn and it was all about him killing countless orcs and saving the day while every woman he meets falls in love with him, then i can 100% guarantee you that lord of the rings would not be considered a classic.

>>150774027
>Making the MC a mary sue means you have failed one of the most basic tasks of writing a story.
More like got what's most important to narou reader right. At that point, you can aspire to get your shit adapted into anime series.

>>150775326
Almost always i see heroes and stuff they use the same tiara that dq heroes use

>>150771264
Didn't know Goblin Slayer was popular.

Why does /a/ still like it then

>>150783268
Helmet.

>>150740646
Then that's not the average.

>>150726773
Chaika was great.

>>150767607
There are Chink shills on /a/.

Good thing, that major Chink novel site is selling out like Crunchyroll did so these Chink shills on /a/ will disappear once their chink novels get locked behind a paywall.

Chink shills get sold out by the Chink Website Staff they were supporting.

The irony is amazing.

>>150766548
Except Shoujo Isekai from the 90s did better and were more mainstream than Re Zero, KonoSuba and Overlord.