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>>150614317
I don't understand how this is " illegal move" I mean sure it's stupid and its concealing the game but you should be allowed to so that

>>150614373
you can't check a king with another king, it's illogical, since it puts yourself in check.

>>150614317
José Raúl Capablanca you may now roll in your grave to your heart's content.

>>150614426
yes the chess version of classical dividing by zero.

>>150614317
How do you even get your king all the way there?

>CHECK
take his king with your king game over
?????????
>CHECK
pick up your king and bat all his pieces off the board while making laser noises take out toy car from pocket and drive on chess board

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>>150614469
>dividing by zero
>Zero

heh

>>150614317
A single frame of Code Geass has more intelligence & depth than every KyoAnus, SHAT, Ass-1, Jesus Christ Shit, Badhouse, and ufotoilet anime combined.

Sasuga Sunrise.

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>>150614373
>>150614426
There's also the pawn.

>>150614373
You can't move into check.

>>150614373
>I don't know the rules of game x
>but I'm going to comment on it anyway!

>>150614373
How do retards like you even live?

>>150614317
I love it when people try to make a character seem smarter by having him like chess
99% of the time all they do is spout chess terms and do stupid shit during chess games

>>150614317
This is just like Yu gi oh
No one know the rules

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!

Meanwhile this all reminds me of pretty much any shoe containing any form of real game. A big example is "The Wizard" they fucked up a lot of those details in it for the video games.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS
>tfw I can't win with my dad in chess

>>150614373
You are "allowed" to do that. It's called resigning.

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>>150614317
This was already explained through fansubs.

>>150616354
It's not about chess you mongolian rape baby, it's about the move and what it represents.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!

R3 OP by Murray Head pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqj31VPNoE

>>150614317
I don't want to watch Code Geass, so explain it to me.
Are the characters playing chess wrong on purpose or are the writers/animators so shit they don't even know the rules?

>>150618523
It's been over eight years and we still don't know.

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I did my best making this for a "describe anime without showing it" thread.

>>150614373
It is an illegal move. Moving there would automatically make you lose.

Does the Akito show get better? The first episode was shitty, and not in a good way.

>there are people on /a/ RIGHT NOW too stupid to understand this scene
I want to think that it's just shitposters pretending to be retarded but this has been going on for fucking 8 years.

>>150619539
2, 3 & 4 are a bit better with a few neet fight scenes and a sexy Drossel robot. Unfortunately, these scenes are too long and get boring.
Ep 5 is shit.

But there's Lulu in there somewhere so you may want to go thru the fire and the flames. I suggest putting it on 2x speed while doing something else.

>>150614317
Was there some deep symbolism behind this retarded and stupid move? Or was it just a really dumb mistake by the writers?

I always interpreted this scene a little too deeply.

So basically Schneizel knows he's making a blatantly illegal move, but he doesn't give a shit. To him, the the point of the match wasn't to win, but to get in Zero's head. By breaking the rules of chess and inventing his own rules to play by, he forces Zero to react accordingly and reveal what kind of strategist he is. Whether Zero reacted to Schneizel's new rules or complained how he was breaking the old rules, he still would have ended up revealing something about himself.

But really, it was probably just a huge oversight because japs are stupid and know nothing about chess.

>>150619539
It gets great. Final episode was really fun AND you get romantic closure.

>>150619629
pure ideology that we simply can't understand

>>150619539
Yeah, it does. Episode 3 wastes so much fuckin time with the main cast, but there's a throwback Lancelot fight scene with Suzaku and Lelouch just for funsies. Then in episode 4 and 5, we go back to the boring main cast and barely see Lelouch and Suzaku again.

Episode 5 is almost all action, if you like the animation and shit, so that's something to look forward to. But the main characters never really change or do anything. The main antagonist is also stupid as fuck, his motivations make him seem like a Naruto villain or something.

Really though, Akito is pretty dull. Like that other anon said, fast forward around if you have to.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!

In the Code Geass universe chess might but a little different.

>>150619364
Why did you make individual squares for the board?

>>150614317
He lost on purpose

>>150614317
That game can only end in a draw at this point anyways, unless black is good at chess.

White will always block the forward advancement of the pawn and black will always defend the pawn. May as well fuck around because the game is over.

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>>150614373
You are among the people that don't understand that in Chess you don't "take" the King like you take any other piece.

You don't beat your opponent when you take the King, you beat your opponent when you checkmate your King.

Now people that don't understand a thing a bit Chess, may think that Lelouch could have technically "won" the game by taking Schneizel's King, but that's simply untrue, Chess doesn't work that way.

To make you understand how much important it is to checkmate in Chess and how much important it is the fact that the King cannot move into check, just look at this picture, and ponder on the fact that if black was the last to move, this would be a draw.

>>150623163
> when you checkmate your King

I meant to say "your opponent's King" of course...

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>>150614317
I'm 20 and I still don't know how to play Chess

>>150623276
takes like 5 minutes to learn how to play if you just read up how each piece is suppose to move.

>>150623163
Isn't there a point system for cases like this?

>>150623360
Some rules seems to to take a while for people to understand them, for example the "en passant" rule.

>>150623163
>just look at this picture, and ponder on the fact that if black was the last to move, this would be a draw.
Who came up with this retarded rule?

What if the guy puts his king in check without anyone noticing?

>>150623385
No the only way to win is checkmate
Chess 'points' are mearly a number assigned to the value of each piece for tracking who has a piece advantage

>>150623385
Nope, the match is considered a draw for both.
Now in tournaments this would never happen, as contestant assume their opponent would never be so dumb as to let them reach a stalemate such as this one.

But if you are playing against a beginner you might be able to avoid losing by baiting them into a stalemate even if you have only a King left.

>>150623425
Yeah it may look ridiculous, but the rules are enforcing players to win through checkmate and checkmate only. If you make a blatant mistake like this and end up in a stalemate you don't deserve to win.

>>150615698
He's right though. Instead of making nonsense rules just make getting your king captured a loss.

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>>150615524

>a decade later and some people think this is an oversight
Lelouch says a million times in the series, "A king must act before his pawns" or something, and this is the exact picture metaphor of this, there's a king and a pawn, so the idea of Zero acting for his pawns to follow is right there.

>>150623540
False, that position isn't even allowed. A person who puts their king next to another isn't playing chess, they're playing calvinball, made up nonsense

>>150623163
Someone please fucking explain this shit very autistically, move by move to me, I can't even understand it.

Why can't the Japs play chess? Is there even a single slant grandmaster?

>>150624066
White can't move the king because it'll be in checkmate position or whatever so the player can't make a move apparently and apparently this results in a draw.

>>150624066
All there is to it is that the king can't make any legal moves therefore the game ends in stalemate.

>>150624066
If black ended the turn with that setup, and thus it's white's turn to move, the white king cannot move without getting into check.

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>>150614317
check this

>>150624067
Asians play better games that humans aren't worse at than phones.

>>150624067
Because they play more complex games like Shoji and Go you faggot

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>>150624066
Green squares are where the king could move, red arrows show which squares the pieces the arrows are coming from are attacking.

Moving into a square that is being attacked would place the king in check, and placing your own king in check is an illegal move. White has no legal moves -> Eternal stalemate -> Game is declared a draw.

>>150624192
This. If you can't checkmate the enemy with the amount of pieces you have vs a single king properly, then you don't deserve to win.

>>150624066
>move by move

That's the problem anon-kun. White King cannot make any legal moves because they would all place him into Check. The King isn't allowed to place himself into Check. Thus, the game ends in a Stalemate because White cannot take his turn.

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Did the nips react at all when this happened on is this purely /a/ autism?

>>150624098
>>150624118
>>150624126
>>150624192
Ah, I get it now. Is there a particular reason why you aren't allowed to move yourself into check, or is it just a rule because it's a rule? Is it supposed to award the wits of White?

>>150624154
>>150624156
>Be shit for brains Jap who can't compete with the white man in the most intellectual sport
>Invent your own games no one else plays so you never lose
Really dynamizes the cerebellum.

>>150624358
Because moving into check means your king gets taken on the other guy's turn. As for why it ends in a stalemate instead of a victory/loss, who knows. It's a retarded illogical rule if I ever saw one.

>>150624358
>Is there a particular reason why you aren't allowed to move yourself into check
You can't make a move that would result in your loss.
>is it supposed to award the wits of White?
More like punish black.

>>150624067
Does Nakamura count?

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>>150623163
>>150624192
Wow, this game is gay as fuck. Any reasonable person would say that that's a black victory.

>>150624356
Japs can't into chess.

>>150624518
Not really, If you got that amount of pieces and still can't corner White properly, then you're absolutely fucking braindead and doesn't deserve to win.

>>150623894
I wasn't talking about the shit you see in the anime but about this case
>>150623163

>>150624358

TLDR: It keeps you from accidentally losing. All rules are arbitrary though.

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>there are people in /a/ who doesn't know how to play chess

>>150624524
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_grandmasters

Even Vietnam and Philippines has grandmasters yet Japan has none.

>>150624567
Except the rule clearly hinders the winning player, in this case black, for requiring them to win in a very specific way. In fact you would possibly take extra turns setting up a checkmate just to avoid that stalemate situation, making it actually harder to win, not harder to fail.

>>150624482
>>150624485
>>150624601
I think I understand chess a bit better now. I always looked at it as a "war simulator" or something akin to that, but I guess it's supposed to be more of a mind game than anything.

>>150624647
>specific way
But anybody who plays chess to any sort of degree would know not to let that one square be open for the king to move to and understand the details of a checkmate.

>>150624647
Fucking retard if it's Black's Turn he can step the right Rook up a square to win. If he has that much of a commanding lead and still ends up in a Stalemate.

I mean shit, even actual fucking children know that the easiest Checkmate in the game is two rooks. Create two lines that the King can't cross and he's done. In the example Black has at a glance every single fucking piece. It shouldn't take more than one turn to kill a king in a scenario like that. (to be honest, the scenario itself is unlikely, as the King most likely would have fallen much earlier)

>>150624482
It's easier to do a stalemate than a checkmate.

>>150624640
To be fair, it's really not that bad since they have their own chess.

>>150624740
Thinking of it as a war simulator was never a correct way to look at it.

>>150624740
Even if it were a wargame simulator mind games and strategy would still be a big part. It'd just be easier to lose.

>>150624647
If you're good enough to end in that pic's situation and you're not playing an actual retard then you can probably handle that without ever getting into a stalemate position.

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>>150615524
''AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!''

>>150624776
>>150624777
That doesn't change the facts. Anon implied the rule doesn't matter because it's easy to avoid when the rule very obviously does matter because it creates 1 more losing/draw scenario and therefore 1 less win scenario. It makes zero sense to say it "punishes" black because the rule literally makes it harder for black to win. You could only say it punishes black if the rule helped black but black fucked up anyway. It's like saying black gets to start with 3 queens but if he doesn't win in 10 turns it's a draw because black is stupid. It completely goes against all logic.

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Talking about Code Geass and Chess there is another interesting case from Episode1.

That's where Lelouch comes to the rescue of a on old man (black) that was playing against an aristocrat (white).

According to Rivalz this is a desperate situation and there's no way for Lelouch to win.

But if you carefully analize the board you realize that it's actually the opposite. The old man didn't need any help has it had already won. White can only stall things a bit but cannot prevent black from winning in any way.

Lelouch boastfully claims that he can win the game in 9 minutes, but this would actually take less.

>>150624988

No, it changes quite a bit. If the situation were reversed with all white pieces and a lone Black King it's still a Stalemate. The rule doesn't favor either side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_(chess)

>>150624740
Originally it was a war simulation game and it probably didn't have the strict stalemate rule that we have now.

There have been a shittons of chess variations through times and the many regions that played it, from India trhought Arabs and to Europe.

What we have now is a refined version of Chess which, yes, is a lot more like a mind game than a war simulation.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS

>>150625240
I was obviously referring to the aforementioned situation, not in general. The rule lowers the chances of the winning player winning, while giving the losing player a chance to draw. That's a simple fact.

>>150625331
>The rule lowers the chances of the winning player winning
And?

>>150625377
And so it's stupid to blame the winning player if they draw because of the rule, because the rule is literally made to lower their chances of winning.

>>150625240
It's stupid because it allows someone who has no chance of winning to not lose because of reasons.

>>150625092
I'm not very good at chess, but I would move the black knight to threaten the white knight, then once it's out of its current position, I would move the queen in for a checkmate.

>>150625422
>>150625416
Not really, it's just there to give a chance for the losing side to not lose. Because once you only have your king left, you literally have no ways to win.

>>150625416
And what is the problem with that? The winning player isn't winning if it draws. If he has more pieces then he can earn his victory by making sure there is no draw. And the opposing player can still make it a draw instead of just mindlessly moving around a king without hope of taking any pieces.

>>150625422
And why is this bad? Excluding this situation which is extremely unusual and would more than likely never happen, the rule gives the chance for a losing player to find a way to not lose and still outsmart their opponent into not winning.

>>150625331
>>150625377

Yeah it makes it more difficult for a player to win, that's totally fine, it means that your victory should be earned.

Anyway forget for a moment the highly unlikely scenario that I presented. The stalemate rule was mostly created for the frequent situation where you end up with players remaining with just a king except one player with a pawn.

If stalemate rules didn't exist, the player with a pawn would always win. With stalemate rules the lonely King still has a way to fight back.

Why this is needed? Because white has an advantage by starting first. Assuming players play flawlessly the only thing that Black can do is draw. If stalemate rules didn't exist, assuming a flawless play, white would almost always win.

>>150625416
>>150625422
Again, it lowers both players chances of winning. If the leading player falls to a Stalemate he probably deserved it. Especially in the scenario provided where it should have ended 10+ turns earlier by just moving the fucking Rook and not being literally retarded.

>>150625422
I've played a game against a much better player, where after I dominated the board in materiel, and chased his king around for a few turns, the game on our program was declared a stalemate, and I had him explain it to me. I felt like a fucking retard for not being able to beat him.

>>150625537
If someone gains a bonus 2% chance to draw then that takes 2% chance away from the other person to win. It is literally a handicap.

>>150625546
You should read arguments before jumping into them. All my point was that anon is wrong for blaming a winning player for drawing.

>>150625608
He should have felt like a retard for missing something that obvious.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS

>>150625537
>>150625571
It's stupid because all you do in chess is to move pieces and take your opponent pieces but suddenly you can't because you can't.

>>150625657
If you have an advantage and end up drawing instead, then you got outplayed. Plain and simple.

>>150625092
That's a mate in three if it's black's move, right?

>>150625725
The goal of chess isn't to "move pieces and take your opponents pieces" the goal of chess is to checkmate and because of that the rule makes sense.

>>150625725
Every piece has its special rules, King also has its special rules. That is no different.

You might as well complain that it's retarded that a pawn can't take an enemy pawn that is directly in front of it, when Rooks and Queens can.

>you must win with checkmate
>checkmate is putting the enemy king into check and leaving them no moves to avoid check
>but leaving the enemy king with no moves to avoid check without already being in check is a draw
I thought chess was lauded as a logical game. Where's the logic in this?

>>150625830
Read the thread.

>>150625782
>goal
Read what i wrote again.

>the goal of chess is to checkmate and because of that the rule makes sense.
No it doesn't because it eliminates that possibility. It's basicaly "you can't play anymore because i said so".
>>150625819
What does that has to do with anything?

>>150625830
Exactly. You failed to check the king and immediately tried to checkmate the king. How is that so hard to understand?

>>150625859
I understand it's a rule. I'm asking how it is logical in any way at all. Threefold repetition makes sense as a way to draw but not this.

>>150625924
>you left the other player with no way to avoid their king being taken but it's a draw because of arbitrary reasons
Again, explain this.

>>150625496

Nope you move the King out of the way and try to checkmate with the Rook supporting the Queen.
At the very least Lelouch moving his King first was actually the right move. You must give him that.


>>150625762
Yes Black moves first, this is pretty clear in the episode. This is actually a checkmate in four if White Mate decides to sacrifice the Queen by eating the most advanced pawn, but it's pointless as it only delays the inevitable by one move.

>>150625942
>>150625980
If you can't checkmate someone properly, you don't deserve to win. You should not leave your opponent with the only option being defeat, because that gives your opponent an option. You must encage your opponent, and capture them in such a way they have no options. If it is their turn to move but they cannot make a legal move, you have deprived them of play with your shitty playing. You have made the game unplayable.

>>150620497
This guy gets it.

It's an alternate history anime, is it really that inconceivable that rules of chess might be slightly different?

>>150626158
You didn't answer the question. I asked how the rule makes sense and you pretty much just went "uhhmm you have to follow the rules y'know?"

>>150626158
>create arbitrary rule
>say it's the proper way
>say if you don't play according to this rule you don't deserve the win
>???
>profit

>>150626245
well then how about you make your own chess with your own rules

>>150625942
There are situations where you can stalemate with a threefold repetition while heavily outnumbered too. So it's not much different.

In the end number of pieces left on the board do not matter a thing in chess, you have one objective "checkmate the opponent's King", all that matters is that the game ends with you completing the objective.

If the enemy has no legal moves left the game ends, and since nobody has completed the objective it's a draw.

>>150626245
All rules are arbitrary.

>>150626245
>>say if you don't play according to this rule you don't deserve the win
The rules say "you cannot put yourself into check." By playing in such a way that, with that rule in place, someone has no legal moves remaining, then you have officially ended the game without winning because legally they cannot make a move. Legally you have not achieved checkmate, which requires threatening your opponent's king and leaving no moves to remove the threat. Because you put an opponent into a position wherein you have not won, and they cannot auto-lose, you both draw.

>>150626309
Threefold repetition makes sense because neither side can commit to continuing the game, therefore it's a draw. This "king can't move without moving into check, DRAW LOL!" rule makes literally zero logical sense whatsoever. It LITERALLY says that if the losing king cannot move without losing then it's a draw. And when you consider that this is actually the win condition of chess, it makes even less sense. It's a completely arbitrary, nonsensical illogical rule.

>>150626273
>implying i haven't
>>150626320
Which is stupid.

>>150626169
It may be, but the Code Geass universe seems to have diverged from our in the modern era when Chess rules were already established.

"Different Chess rules" is the only sensible thing you can say to defend what happens in the anime, but still when you consider the other cases >>150625092

It's just a lot more plausible to assume that they really didn't bother.

You fucking retards. The goal of chess is to checkmate the enemy's king.

>Checkmate (often shortened to mate) is a game position in chess in which a player's king is in check (threatened with capture) and there is no way to remove the threat. Checkmating the opponent wins the game.

You didn't check the king so what you're doing is not a checkmate. You just made the game unplayable with your autism and that's why it's a draw.

/a/- Tabletop Games

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>>150625980
>>150626405
Chess has turns, it's not an RTS. The other player can't move and it's not your turn, therefore it's a stalemate. Why would another arbitrary rule just to make the guy whose king is in a safe square automatically lose be allowed?
>You're fine when your king isn't under check
>but there's this one case where you lose even though you're not in check
That's retarded. Being consistent is better than protecting the winning side's feelings.
>>150625830
The king is safe in that one spot you left for him, though. Why would you create a bunker for the enemy?

If anything, telling the player with only one piece left to simply forfeit is retarded because its a fucking game and it should be played until the end. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

>You lose when you have one piece left
>You lose when you have x+1
>You lose when you have 0 pieces
Turns out all of those are arbitrary.

>>150626245
>>create arbitrary rule
And the rest of the rules aren't? Why not complain about pawns moving in only one direction? Why not complain about knights being the only ones to jump over pieces? Why not complain about the size of the board?

>>150626511
>This rule is retarded someone explain how it makes sense in any way at all
>UHH EXCUSE ME IF YOU DON'T PLAY BY THE RULES YOU LOSE
>Yeah and I'm saying this rule makes no sense at all, unless you can explain to me how it makes sense
>YOU'RE RETARDED FOLLOW THE RULES
I never knew chess apologists were this moronic.

>>150626566
>king has no moves left while already in check
>win/loss

>king has no moves left
>draw

Perfect logic.

>>150626118
how do you move the king out of the way dude? queen is literally threatening the c8 square

>>150626585
It doesn't have to make sense because it's just a rule. Are you gonna complain why rooks can only move in a straight line too? Why knights can only move in a L shape? Or why the pawn can become a Queen once it reaches the enemy lines?

/a/ is so fucking ignorant at chess it makes me vomit

>>150626402

> And when you consider that this is actually the win condition of chess

No you just don't want to understand.
You don't lose by having your King under check nor by having your King taken, you lose by having your King checkmated, not buts, no shits, that's the only fucking way.

>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!

I am visiting a friend to play chess soon so I'm going to need this. better not have lied to me

>>150626566
>If anything, telling the player with only one piece left to simply forfeit is retarded because its a fucking game and it should be played until the end
It is the end, he lost, that's the whole point.
>>150626578
They way pieces moves is not retarded.

I'll play a couple of games

>>150626696
The win condition of chess is essentially leaving the other player's king unable to move without getting taken when your turn comes. Yet there is a rule where you can achieve this yet end up forced to draw. It makes no sense.

>>150626681
>This rule is illogical.
>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES
>Yeah but the rule is retarded as fuck.
>WELL IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE IT'S THE RULE
What are you even trying to argue?

>>150626749
shit forgot my link
https://lichess.org/JBFMKWwI

>>150626663
The Rook should move behind the Queen to support her, but the King is in the way.

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>>150626627
Indeed, since the king is safe and sound.
You do realize you need to checkmate him, as in being within one of your pieces' attack range, right? Your encirclement will not make the king drop dead at the spot nor hurt his fee fees. He will simply refuse to move, and unless you make another arbitrary move to make the winning player move two times in a row, it's a draw.
Yes the king is still safe, please understand that.

>>150626719
>You should play the game until X
That's very arbitrary of you.

Sounds like people would rather make their own arbitrary rules instead of actually trying to play the game.

>>150626807
No, what are you trying to argue? All sports and games have some retarded rules that doesn't make sense.

>>150626856
my dude you said black is to play, the only thing stopping black from winning is the knight.
if black were to move his knight to b5 white would be completely fucked, absolutely nothing he could do to stop the imminent checkmate

Why can't you fags understand the difference between winning and not losing ?

The strict winning conditions are there to give the other opponent a chance to aim for a draw when he has no chance of winning. Thus making the game more interesting for both players.

It's a fucking game, the main purpose is still entertainment, for both the players and the spectators. Same reason why the 50 move rule exists.

>>150626869
Except the player MUST move, as you cannot skip turns. However, being unable to move the king without being captured means you've lost in checkmate. For this logic to not hold in a different situation is contradictory and illogical.

>>150626887
I acknowledge that it's a rule and that it's retarded. So what were you trying to accomplish by telling me that it's the rule?

>>150626869
>can't move the king without losing
>that means you literally are not allowed to play the game anymore
>therefore the game draws
People actually defend this.

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>not just mechaing your king in the first ten moves
Holy shit you guys are so bad at this

>>150626996
>to not hold in a different situation is contradictory and illogical.
No no no. You are checkmated when at the beginning of your turn you are in check and cannot end your turn out of it. You are stalemated when you are not in check but have no moves that would not result in check, which is an illegal move. The situations are different so the rules are different.

>>150626757
>The win condition of chess is essentially leaving the other player's king unable to move without getting taken when your turn comes

You are trying hard to bend the definition of checkmate to remove the essential part of the King being under check and you end up with a definition that is wrong, as you do not necessarily need to move the King to remove the threat.

You are checkmated when your King is under check and you can't do shit about it.

>>150614317
it's about their penises.

>>150627005
If all your opponent can do is make themselves lose, have YOU truly won?

>>150626938
You place your Knight there, and White takes you knight while also checking your King.

Ultimately Black would still win, but by pointlessly losing pieces and wasting more turns.

>>150627174
Of course, that's the point of ambushing.

>>150627174
That's deep anon

>>150627073
>>150627080
In both scenarios the cornered king cannot move without being captured on the next turn, thus making them lose. That is the logic of checkmate. If you explained what checkmate is to someone who doesn't know how to play chess that is literally what you would tell them. For this logic to not only not hold but force an automatic draw is clearly an arbitrary, illogical exception.

>>150627222
Ambushing is different from the enemy being in a bunker. You're also making the mistake of assuming chess is a war simulation and not a game. There are no ambushes in chess as every piece can be seen.

I have considered making a bizarre battleship chess hybrid, though.

>>150627174
whew.. really stimulates the prefrontal cortex

>>150627286
But it's not comparable to a bunker at all. If chess allowed you to skip your turn the other player would just take your king. It's more like you've surrounded someone in a building but everyone packs up and goes home because you didn't send someone inside the building first before you surrounded them.

>>150627286
>You're also making the mistake of assuming chess is a war simulation and not a game.
That's you jumping to conclusions
>There are no ambushes in chess as every piece can be seen.
You can ambush things that see you, driving your prey/enemy against a wall is the best example of it.

Why didn't he just claim the victory and end the series?

>>150627207
i didn't even see that, not used to this looking from the side chess
the black just turns out in a much better position after the exchange

>>150615524

AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS

>>150627285
> In both scenarios the cornered king cannot move without being captured on the next turn, thus making them lose

This makes no sense whatsoever not matter how you try. I repeat, whether the King can move or not is irrelevant.

Take the examples of that lonely King surrounded by Black pieces. Noe imagine that there was another white piece on the board.

The King would still be unable to move without getting captured on the next turn and therefore according to your definition this would be a "checkmate".

But that's retarded because White could still move that other piece and the game would continue.

>actually caring about the difference between stalemate and checkmate
>not just raping your opponent if you can't win by the rules

>>150619539
Akito is fine. Just kind of bland. I didn't find anything bad about the first episode so your taste is suspect.

>>150627369

>If chess allowed you to skip your turn
>If

But it doesn't. You think stalemate is illogical because you don't take account the whole of the rule set. You can't skip turns, there is one victory condition. With all these, stalemate is logical. Sure it is weird situation to have draw at that point, but that is the end result of following the rules. It is not illogical, the rule is not arbituary. Just one more thing to take in consideration when counting moves for the victory.

>>150627458
How does it not make sense? In chess you must move a piece no matter what, as you cannot skip turns, and you must keep your king from getting captured. That's why you lose in checkmate, because you cannot make a move which keeps your king alive, unlike check, where you can move your king to keep it alive. So why does this logic not hold under a certain circumstance? Because it's a retarded exception made to 'balance' the game by destroying all logic. It makes as much sense as a rule saying you can only win if you checkmate with a knight and if you checkmate with a rook then enjoy your draw. Completely illogical and contradictory to the logic used for the rest of the game.

>>150627369
It's a bunker because it's impenetrable. In chess, there is no turn skipping, so that's irrelevant.

Look at it more like having a time period of turns to capture the king before he puts up a barrier that can't be penetrated, or before he prepares a device to teleport from the battlefield.

>>150627386
Ambushing in chess doesn't work, though. There are no true surprise attacks, merely something you didn't predict. And if modern chess counts as a war simulation, it's one of the worst in that regard, as it is nothing like real war. No one takes turns in real war, you just move and whoever is faster wins. Also, real warfare usually has unequal amounts of forces on both sides and asymmetrical battlefields. You can also use guerrilla warfare and, in such a case, there is usually no king to capture or kill because every unit operates on its own.

>>150627005
the rule is to get a checkmate. if you can't, then you don't win. if the other person can't, he can't win. if neither of you can, then it is a draw. why is it so difficult for your inferior pea brains to comprehend this?

>>150627616
>Ambushing in chess doesn't work, though. There are no true surprise attacks, merely something you didn't predict.
Ambush doesn't need a surprise attack either, being ambushed because you failed to predict somebody's move is still being ambushed.
>war simulation
You are the only one bringing this up.

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>>150627748
go away. this is a chess thread

>>150627608

You forgot the rule that you can't move king into check.

>>150627580
>But it doesn't.
And that's exactly why it should be a loss. You must make a move, and if your king is the only piece you have then obviously that is the piece you must move, and if you can't move it safely then it should be a loss, exactly like checkmate.
> stalemate is logical
No it isn't. Threefold repetition stalemate is logical because neither player wants to make the game progress. Stalemate through whatever this shit is called because one player cannot move without losing as the other will win in their next turn completely defies all logic.

>>150627616
>Look at it more like having a time period of turns to capture the king before he puts up a barrier that can't be penetrated, or before he prepares a device to teleport from the battlefield.
What the fuck am I reading? There's no limit to the amount of moves you can make in chess.

>>150627724
We understand the rule you idiot, it's just a retarded one; that's the whole point of this discussion, how retarded this rule is.

>>150627788
You mean the rule which validates checkmate as a victory condition? Are you even reading what you write? You cannot move your king into check and if you have no choice but to do so then you've lost.

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>>150627781
>implying they will not play chess in season 3

>>150627805
The goal is to get a checkmate, plain and simple. Black has not achieved this on their turn, as checkmate is initiated by their move, White cannot checkmate nor move due to causing himself to be in check. It's a permanent board state where Black has failed and does not deserve the win, and yet white cannot, so its a stalemate

>>150627874
see >>150627828

>>150627805
>And that's exactly why it should be a loss.

Maybe you should propose some chess authority to make this arbitary rule that you can also win with one piece check. As now there is no such rule, so stalemate. Within the game's rules it is stil logical. You just have to play in such way that you don't end up in that situation.

>>150627951
>Within the game's rules it is stil logical
No, it defies the game's logic. It is an exception, and that's why it's illogical.

>>150627828
but it's not retarted. it's completely logical and can be derived simply from
1) the first to checkmate wins
2) you cannot move into check
3) you cannot skip turns

now in some situations it might appear dumb (e.g. >>150623163) but what if both players had equal pieces? or just one side had a better setup? it wouldn't be as easy to predict who would have won. if you were to change the rule so that a stalemate results in a win for somebody, then you would have to have a huge list of conditionals to determine the winner. it would be impossible considering the number of situations where a stalemate could happen.

>>150627730
I'm talking about the techincal aspect of ambushing in actual combat.

>war simulation
Then don't bring up the equivalent having a real war and compare it to chess like I did and you did before. There are no buildings in chess.

>>150627805
Yeah, there are an amount of moves. I'm talking about stalemating, buddy. You can finagle an enemy in to putting them self in a position where they can't get you into check. That requires a series of moves to get the enemy's pieces into such a position.

Play a variation of chess that uses points or something if you to avoid stalemates.

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so it's basically canon that lelouch and cc have been fucking for the past 8 years while kallen thinks lelouch is dead.

how mad are kallen cucks?

>>150627846

>if you have no choice but to do so

But the rule is that you can't move king into check. So if you can't even do that, and the opponent can't have their turn, it pretty much ends there in draw.

>>150614426
But you can however check these digits

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You should be able to solve this.

>>150628159
White bishop to d3, right? Not very good at chess puzzles.

>>150628159
Ba4 Kxa4
b3 Kb5
c4 Kc6
d5 Kd7
e6 Anything
f5

>>150627904
>Black deserves the win for being literally retarded

>>150628108
>You can finagle an enemy in to putting them self in a position where they can't get you into check.
Yeah and that's a draw because after an infinite amount of moves neither player will get anwyhere. Meanwhile leaving someone with only 1 move which is their king moving into check should be game over, not a draw.

>>150628127
And that's why checkmate wins you the game, because your opponent cannot move without violating that rule. How is this hard to comprehend? Your logic effectively suggests that if you ever get checkmated you can say it's a draw because you can't move your king without entering check, as if you have a god damn choice.

>>150628092
see
>>150627005
If the rules force a draw by not allowing someone to play it is retarded.
>>150628108
>Then don't bring up the equivalent having a real war
I'm using examples to make myself clear and ambushing is a good example.

>>150628234
>white shouldn't lose because...literally no good reason after 100 posts it's the rules lmao
Stop posting.

>>150628108

>Play a variation of chess that uses points or something if you to avoid stalemates.

Either this or do not make retarded moves that makes your opponent impossible to move in their turn so that you can't have your turn to checkmate. Game is about using your mind, not just eating all the pieces and hoping you can pin the king at your leasure.

>>150628352
>outplay my opponent enought to have 16 pieces against his sole king
>he activates his trap card
>it's a draw
dude use your mind lmao

>>150628323
Why should black win? Because they've taken the most pieces but still can't win within the rules? No. They deserve to draw for not putting the king in check.

>>150628489
He wouldn't be able to do that if black wasn't so retarded and actually forced white into checkmate with that many pieces.

>>150627859
that was literally your mom last night

>>150628588
>Why should black win?
Because white cannot make a move without committing suicide.

>This rule is stupid
>UH NO IT'S NOT IT'S THE RULES
>Yeah I know and it's stupid
>ACTUALLY IT'S NOT STUPID BECAUSE IT'S THE RULES
>It's a retarded rule
>NO IT ISN'T, IT'S THE RULES
Jesus fuck I hope you're just shitposting.

>>150628276

>if you ever get checkmated you can say it's a draw because you can't move your king without entering check

But in checkmate you are already in check and can't move. So it's different situation.

Think it this way. The rule that you can't move king into check has more value because it is rule about how the pieces move. The rule, that you must move a piece during your turn has less value, because it can be applied to any of the pieces. Even when there was just one piece left, the king, it would just be stale because the rules how pieces move are more important that which piece moves. If it was an AI thinking which piece it could move, it would just stay there forever pondering. Checkmate is different, you is in check, king can't be in check and king can't move, so clear winner and loser there.

>>150628691
>But in checkmate you are already in check and can't move.
What? You are allowed to move your king away from check. Do you even play chess?

>>150628489

Just don't corner the enemy king when you have overpowered them so massively and make sure you can also checkmate them. It's not that they trap card you, it is that you trap yourself.

>>150628764

You can move away from check and you prettymuch must, can't leave king there, but also you can't move into check, only to free tiles. That is checkmate, not just cornering the king and eating all his troops.

>>150628869
>king must move but cannot without moving into check
What's the difference again?

>>150628793
>Just don't corner the enemy king
No shit?

>why shouldn't you be able to corner the king
because... because.... fuck you that's why

Oh, when Code Geass did it, it was cool/stupid/funny, but when No Game No Life did it, everyone shits on it.

>>150628931

You could say that king cannot be in check. Can't move into, can't stay in one.

It's amazing how interesting a thread can be with shitposting turned off.

>>150629188
People arguing about chess. What a snoozefest.

>>150629117
Again, what's the difference? The result is the same but the ruling is different.

It's like having a rule that if you checkmate with a rook then the game ends in a draw, because illogical arbitrary reasons, and if such a rule existed you would undoubtedly be trying to defend it by saying "but the difference is that when you checkmate with a knight you win and since you didn't use any other piece besides a rook then you deserved to lose, it makes completely perfect sense!"

There is absolutely no way to make sense of this rule besides just saying that it exists and that it's the rule you must follow, which is why exactly that has been repeated over and over again as myself and others asked for explanations on how this rule makes sense.

>>150629260
I love it when people get autistic about chess.

>>150629031

Yeah, pretty much because fuck you. I am not responsible for the moves of my opponent. If he desides to put in place with no legal moves, it is their own doing. The rules allowed them to checkmate for prefect victory and they didn't calculate the moves for that. So fuck them.

I shall concede this discussion for my part. What do they say in chess, "I resign"?

>tfw you lose because of the dumb "checkmate" rule but you captured more pieces

>>150629512

Well there is only one definition of the checkmate: king in in check but can't make legal moves. All you do on the board should be aiming for that.

All the pieces have rules how they move. King can't be in check, can't walk into check, if is in one, must move in their turn, if can't it's checkmate. If if can move, either to free tile or by eating the checking piece or by moving other piece in way of the check, the game continous. You can't force the king to step into check because it's illegal move. Yeah, you can goof yourself in this game.

>>150629512
This doesn't make the rule any less retarded.

>>150629947
meant for
>>150629368

>>150629512
>sacrifice board position an zone leverage for value trades
>get punished
>waahhh

>>150629942
>You can't force the king to step into check because it's illegal move.
You mean like checkmate which wins you the game?

>>150630040
checkmate is not an illegal move

>>150629947

Personally I like how the rules are set so that eating all the opponent's pieces doesn't autowin. But I'm just weird that way.

>>150630236
I didn't say it was. Checkmate puts the king in a position where it has no movements which aren't into check, and this wins you the game.

>>150623276
what are you an actual girl or an autist

>>150630243
>liking the game banning the players from playing and forcing a draw
That's pretty weird.

>>150630040

But in checkmate the king doesn't step into check. It's the opponent who moves their piece so that the king in in check. Then it's the king's turn to try to escape the situation. If not possible with legal moves and still in check, checkmate.

In stalemate king isn't in check yet, but it simply isn't allowed to move into check. So no different rules for different pieces. You fail if you can't keep the enemy king in check.

>>150623163
>get opponent into a position like this where he can't move his king without geting into checkmate and thus can't make a move
>it's considered a draw and not my victory

FUCKING RETARDED BULLSHIT

>>150630440
Where is the logic in this? Unless you play with a timer, you have all the time in the world to make a move, but you must move to end the turn. Saying the game logically should draw because the king can't move without moving into check is the same as saying checkmate should logically draw because the king can't move without moving into check as well.

Just accept that it's a retarded exception with no real logic behind it.

>>150630380

Yes, it punishes people for being retarted.

>>150614317
is this yaoi?

>>150630462
I don't see the issue and why theres been some 100 post autist battle over this.

You put yourself in a position where you don't fulfill the win conditions of the game (and in fact you cannot no matter what win from that position), so you don't win. The opponent cannot lose so he doesn't lose.

Its more interesting this way, and if its such a big deal to you then just let people move themselves into check when you play chess. I think as it is it punishes people for being retarded and forgetting what winning at chess actually requires.

>>150630721
It just limits the game for the sake of limiting the game. There is no merit for the would be loser either.
>>150630817
The opponent should lose because he has to make a move, that's how you play chess, by moving pieces.

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>>150616802

Games are played with rules if you can't follow through a win without breaking a rule then you are shit at the game. And likely if you can't pass the hurdle of some rule, your intelligence is put to the question.

>>150630899
>The opponent should lose because he has to make a move

And if you put your opponent in a position where he can't move but he isn't in checkmate then he shouldn't lose because you haven't won. This is being seriously overblown because you have to be hardcore retarded to put yourself in that position.

Its like putting yourself into check instead of your opponent.

>>150630962
And games with retarded rules are retarded.
I don't get why people are so adamant about defending rules over quality.

>>150631043
That's the whole point, he should be able to move. Forbidding him from moving is just plain stupid.
You are playing a game that doesn't want to be played.

>>150630658

You can keep saying it's retarted all you want but that really is the end result of the rules. How the king behaves is pretty much the core rule of the game. It is your job to make it so that the king is in check and can't escape. It is more like that the stalemate is the rare exception which you want to avoid. Keep calling it retarted, chess just can end more than just one way.

LIKE CLOCKWORK

>>150631138
On the contrary, you can keep saying it's the rules all you want but at the end of the day it's retarded.

>>150630899
>It just limits the game for the sake of limiting the game.

It' just limits it so that eating all the pieces doesn't grant automatic victory. Without this the first eating all opponents pieces would win.

Whole idea is to put enemy king under check. Everything else is just arbituary.

>>150631045
How does allowing someone to checkmate themselves for you allow for higher quality chess than punishing you for not winning?

>>150631132
But you're the one not allowing him to move. You're supposed to put him in a position where he is checked AND cannot move, not just a position where he cannot move. That is the entire point.

Knocking all the pawns off the board first doesn't matter.

itt /a/ pretends this "mistake" wasn't obviously deliberate and necessary for dramatic effect

>>150623163
a checkmate merely means that your opponent cannot move their king to prevent it from being taken.

otherwise, it's just a check.

so yes, the point of the game is to checkmate the opponent. So that you can take their king. Either that, or have them knock it over which is just them being a pissy baby and admitting to defeat with a gesture.

Anyone else really hoping season 3 has more bad chess play for more convoluted metaphors?

>>150631245
You are literaly forcing your opponent to put his king in check.
>>150631288
How does punishing for punishing allow higher quality?
If you want to play against yourself there are other games for that.

I don't allow anything, he has to move because that's what makes the game playable.

Interesting that you're arguing for stalemate is a draw as if it was always the case, yet a quick google on the history of chess says it was originally viewed as a loss and that master chess players have been complaining ever since the rule's introduction.

>Still having the same fucking argument 10 years later.

God damn it /a/

>>150631460

Litrealy forcing nothing since it is illegal move to put king in check.

>>150631626
>not enjoying talking about the same things for years
why are you here?

>>150631460
>You are literally forcing your opponent to put his king in check.

But thats not the point. Even without the stalemate rule its still a rule that your opponent cannot put his king in check for you.

If you think its dumb then play chess without it. But the only situations this even matters are ones in which you either get really lazy or have suddenly discovered you have brain damage. And in both cases you don't deserve to win because you didn't actually beat your opponent.

>>150631626
autism does that to a person

>>150631719
You really love loops don't you?
Thank god drowsiness finally came and i am free from this hell.
>>150631800
>force my opponent into a lose-lose situation
>have a rule that forces draws because lol punishment
Gee, i wonder which option is more interesting and shows skill to outplay my opponent as opposed to lose to myself because the game says so...

>>150631978

I wonder which option is more interesting, game about wits and out manouvering opponent or game about whoever first eats all opponents troops.

Checkmate means he wins right?
Why didn't he say check?

>>150614317
Chess is the most overrated, overplayed game out there.

All you do is follow prewritten plays some autists came up with decades ago step-by-step.

Anything else will make you lose if your opponent isn't also winging it.

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>>150615524
AWAKEN MY CHESS MASTERS!

>>150633017
Checkmate means the king cannot escape check. Schneizel put himself into checkmate because his turn had ended so there was no way his king could escape.

>>150633515
So if a game reached checkmate but the opponent decides not to take king the game can go on?

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>>150633339

>>150614317
That card...

>>150633586
Well it was an illegal move, since you're not allowed to put yourself into check or checkmate. However since the game was about to end in a draw Schneizel just did it to see how Zero would react and try learn something about his personality.

>>150633589
>Implying chess isn't the most fedora board game out there
>Muh strategy (that I copied straight out a book)

>>150633589

I honestly have a feeling fedoras would like chess.

>>150629286
The difference is that in one situation, your king is in check, and the other your king is not? Your king must be in danger AND be unable to move out of it. If one of those conditions is not filled, it's not mate.

>>150629286
I mean its a game where peasants can only move forward but only attack diagonally and upon reaching the enemies side of the field can turn into a moving tower. Where is this logic you speak of?

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>>150623163
Just move black square bishop in front of black queen. Checkmate.

>>150623425
The rule is not retarded at all, rewards a good player to see and play into a draw.

>>150634891
If it were white's turn the game would end in a draft, giving both players half a point.

>>150624482
>>150624485
>>150624601
I mean let's say the wtihe player still moves his king into check. The black one needs to checkmate it no matter what? Let's say, is it possible for the black one to let the white king get away?

>>150614317
I remember someone tried to explain what whoever the fuck did this did it for a reason to "Figure something out" about the other guy or some dumb shit.

Clearly just shit animation and shit writing from a shit anime. You should all be ashamed for gobbling up this stickman garbage and pretending it has any semblance of depth to it.

>>150614373
>concealing the game
I guess your about as good at English as you are at chess.

>>150638205
>I mean let's say the wtihe player still moves his king into check. The black one needs to checkmate it no matter what?

No, white would just be giving up because black would just take the king to win the game. That would be in a rule-less game though. This couldn't happen in a legitimate game because you are unable to move into check. You would have to take the move back and move someplace else or another peace..

>>150638471
>not concealing the game by putting a blanket over it so your opponent can't play properly

Do you even strategy?

>>150614426
Check these.

>>150623425
I love this rule. I constantly get destroyed at Chess by one of my friends, but it's fun to try to make him draw since I know I can't win.

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>>150614373
>If I check my enemies, they win

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>>150638716
kek

>>150633626
entered thread expecting to find this reply

was not dissapointed

Queen gambit is overrated.

>>150626118
>>150625762
>That's a mate in three if it's black's move, right?
How?

>>150638482
And still the black needs to take the white king no matter what?
For example in football you can still decide to not score an empty net and while people would call you an idiot, it is still legal.
And I'm asking if the black has any legal means to not to checkmate the white king even if it is a stupid thing to do.
And well it may look stupid but in football, you can say maybe one side is so superior that they want to let the opponent struggle a bit more and all by not scoring an empty net once.

Is something like this possible in chess?

>>150638791
If I punch him in the chin will it cut my hand open?

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What happens when you play chess with a brit/aussie? Do they sometimes make of mistake of calling checkmates, without meaning to?
i.e. "check, mate"

>>150628126
All of them have killed themselves after R2 ended anways.

>>150633868
I think they play Go or some other asian game

>>150638335
Not shit writing. People just keep over thinking it or are just that stupid. The match was going to end in a draw. With what was at stake, Schneizel just wanted to see what Zero would do if he would intentionally give him the win. He even ends up mentioning that if the emperor were in his position, he would've taken the win. All of this is literally explained to you by the characters themselves during the scene. The problem is when retards take the anime story out of it and start "analyzing" the match with their "hurr durr me so smart cuz know chess wit muh 3lite hAxor sk1llz"

>>150618523

It is ridiculous people cannot pay attention to the show enough to understand what is going on. The characters even explain what is going on, and confirm they know that the move "is a joke".

The context of the match is that the winner gets something that they want (politics and shit). This is happening at a party that the MC wasn't invited to, so now everyone at the party is paying attention since this is a huge deal (MC is a leader of a terrorist/rebellion whatever). They want to learn more about these charismatic/dangerous leaders so they watch and say nothing. No referees.

Basically Lelouch is ahead, and his opponent decides to do an illegal move on purpose. His opponent is actually his brother, but his opponent doesn't know since Lelouch is disguised as Zero. His brother would always beat him at chess.

Lelouch thinks he finally will win a game, when his brother does this bullshit and hands him a win. (Lelouch can either say that's an illegal move, I win, or do a legal move and eventually I'll corner you and win since I have a king and a pawn and you just have a king). Lelouch is super prideful though, so he rejects the victory and forfeits to his brother. The reason? Lelouch's Black Knights rebel group is supposed to fight for the weak, and not oppress people / take opportunities just because they have the strength to. The Black Knights are also known to NOT follow "rules" (they are terrorists after all). They fight for freedom in illegal ways.

Lelouch is too prideful to take the victory this way; he wants to feel more satisfaction out of his victory and see his brother admit defeat but his brother is literally trying to give him the win and he won't take that.

Lelouch also can't say that he is doing something illegal, because it would really hurt the Black Knight's reputation and make them look like hypocrites.

Lelouch also doesn't want to just take the win because it would show that he has no mercy just like the nation he fights against.

>>150619770
No, remember the people watching the game said it was a joke. This shows they know it was an illegal move.

Even if they didn't know it was illegal, it's still the same idea; moving there would lose him the match (although it being illegal does give it even more meaning to the scene).

I want to believe we are smart enough to not need everything spelled out to us by the writers. When anime spoonfeeds, people complain. And apparently when an anime like Geass doesn't have a character explicitly say outloud this is an illegal move, people start saying the creators don't know.

I interpret the characters' reaction and the spectators saying "this is a joke" etc etc as showing quite clearly the creators know it is an illegal move.

>>150639209

Thank god there are some /a/nons who can think in here. The character explain it all as you said, it is ridiculous people truly believe the creators didn't know this was an illegal move.

It's also ridiculous when people say things like "there's no way you can learn something about someone else through a game". Like wow.

Anyway I think the /a/non you're quoting is actually baiting, since what he's saying is so extreme. But who knows.

Chess pisses me off
Why do I have to bait myself out and say check whenever one of my men is ready to pounce?

>>150627207
No shit, thats why he moved his fucking king forwards in the episode.

>>150623163
Can't you use the black tower to kill the figure check mating the king?!

>>150639350
You don't have to do anything, move your pieces wherever you want, whenever you want! All rules are arbitrary and games are meant to be fun!

>>150638850
Extremely. Danish however, a best.

So, chess is a game. Games are comprised of rules and objectives. It seems some people do not like one of chess's rules. Therefore, those people do not like chess. Does that seem logically sound?

Also, it seems that those against the stalemate outcome really have their quarrel with the rule against moving into check. Not that i have anything against the current rules, but that would make the game more difficult since you'd have to be careful of that.

>>150638873
>still no answer
I guess they were wrong.

>>150614373
To reduce the stupidity of players, it's illegal to let your king die if you could avoid it.

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>>150624424
Sounds pretty familiar...

>>150639044
Just go with "oy mate, check".

>>150626981
And yet, no one replied to this anon just because he was 100% correct.
I'm 10 hours too late to join in the fun, but this is pretty much /thread.

>>150639044
I think both of players know when is checkmate and when not

>starting playing chess after years
>forgot tactics
>loose to easiest bots
;_;

>>150624424
Go evolved from tabletop wargames, like the ones you'd see in manga like I dunno Kingdom. It's played widely across Asia and as far as complexity goes is a lot fucking harder than Chess.

threads like this really make me wonder how some people can function in society
oh wait, this is /a/, noone here does

>>150642969
It's /r9k/ invading.
>don't follow the rules
>don't win
>REEEEE STUPID RULES IT'S EVERYONE'S FAULT FOR MAKING SUCH A STUPID RULE BUT NOT MINE

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>>150615266
So the king represents Schneizel, and the pawn represents Suzaku?

>>150614620
>pick up your king and bat all his pieces off the board while making laser noises take out toy car from pocket and drive on chess board
Dude , I just burst out laughing in class. Don't make me kek that hard!

>>150614317
>>150614426

his king is white, you see...

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>>150643130
Suzaku is the queen.

>>150631045
Chess has been the intelligence defining game for the western europe for the past thousand year or so. In the east, that game had been Go.

Rules have always changed yet the prestige remains the same. If you wish to call chess retarded because of such rules, you have to back up that claim. Current chess champions can wreck you with just about rule and disadvantage you place them in. Its not that rules are retarded, but rather you can't bypass that mental hurdle. That shows your own limiting factor.

>>150638911
you dont HAVE to kill the king but this question never rises in a legit game, as actually killing the king is NOT a part of chess.

if you check the enemy king, he MUST undo the check either by moving, or stopping your piece from checking the king. its literally illegal to let your king be in check at the end of your turn. then when its your turn you dont have any choice to kill him or not because he's out of check now.
if you put a king in a check he cant evade, a checkmate, there is nothing the enemy king can do to prevent dying in the next turn and so the game ends. you dont actually get to play your next turn where you take the enemy king, it just ends as soon as you get a checkmate. hell, when a checkmate happens, not even the enemy player gets to move, its immediately over

>>150630901
Will funsubs like these ever come back

>>150638471
>your about
i hope you did that on purpose

>>150639226
>overthinking it this much
no. they just didn't understand chess. zero was making up rules since episode 1 when he decides to move his king as his first piece.

>>150628159
Okay Chess M/a/sters, explain how would I solve this conundrum when its the Black side's move:

>Move Black King to C4
>Move White Bishop to D3, checking Black King
>Use Black King to remove Bishop
>Double Checkmate

Am I doing wrong?

>>150641898
>giving a chance for a draw when you can't win is fun
>>150631507 anon is correct and nobody replied to him either.
>>150631507

>>150644252
yes

>>150630462

If you were the one that has that many figures and still couldn't check mate a single king you are the retard and you don't deserve to win.

>>150638911
>take the white king
You don't take the King in chess. Ever. The goal isn't to take the King, it's to checkmate him. Under no circumstances is the King ever attacked by an enemy piece, there's only the threat of attack, and that defines the game - threat, not the attack itself. It's why Chess strategy relies so much on 'controlled squares' and 'dangerous squares', and why a fork or pin is a desireable move - you 'threaten' two or more pieces at once using only one of your own.
In the end, Chess is no more about taking pieces than Go. In the way Go is about 'control', Chess is about 'threat', and it's the reason why Chess ends before what people THINK is the goal, the taking of the king - the goal is to threaten his well-being, not to harm him.

>>150645063
What the fuck was White doing
One more square down and that's it.

>>150624640
It's because Japan has Shogi, which is their own variation of chess.

>>150645112
White probably didn't know that if the opponent has no valid moves left, the game is automatically stalemate
This happened during black's turn

>>150645112
>What the fuck was White doing
Probably was too scared to Qb4 not realising that the king can't take defended pieces. I can imagine an idiot genuinely making that mistake.

>>150644252
If it's black's move then black has already won. Just take one of the pawns and white can't make a fortress.

>>150639959
It's a mate in four at the most, and only if white gives up the queen.

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At least there are some games with actual intuitive rules

>>150646451
How does this game work?
I always stayed away from it because circles over the vertex and sometimes overboard trigger my autism.

Why do people like Chess so much? It's needlessly complex and boring as hell. There are much more fun games out there like Simon and Hungry, Hungry Hippos.

>>150646451
See >>150624424

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>>150614317

hey guys lets play some chess

>>150646562
-Players take turns placing stones on an empty board (black begins)
-The one with the most territory at the end wins (each intersection and captured stone counts as a point)
-If you take away all the liberties of a stone or a group of stones they are captured;
If a stone is placed at an intersection, each line going out of it counts as a liberty. In the case of the example image the white tetris block shape at 5D has two liberties at 7E and 6F. If black places two stones there, the white tetris group is captured and removed from the field.
-The board can not have the same position on it more than once; this is in order to prevent some awkward situations in which you'd otherwise be able to infinitely capture eachothers stone.

Chess is for normalfags who always obey the rule.

>>150623163
No if black had to move, he would win. If white had to move it would be draw.

>>150644016
Nah, we'll just have crunchy do CG as well.

>>150623421
Learning how the pieces move is the easiest and noobest part of chess. There is way more to this. For example building the strategy.

>>150646895
Seems pretty fun.
I used to play a similar and more simple game at one of those flash games sites back in the day.

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>>150647189
That might have been Othello, which would explain your discomfort when looking at a Go board.

>>150623624
>you don't deserve to win.
Why? If anything, you deserve more than others because you were cunning enough to find a way to brute force your way out of a disadvantageous situation.

>>150623163
>and ponder on the fact that if black was the last to move, this would be a draw.
Why? The way it looks to me is checkmate in 2 against white

>>150645112
Probably just screwing around with Black, and he clearly didn't know that was gonna be a stalemate

>>150645063
Is this the Rikka vs Kumagawa game we had in that chess thread?

>>150630817
>I don't see the issue and why theres been some 100 post autist battle over this
Because you're a faggot

>>150647265
I don't remember if it was this one specifically but yeah, pretty much this.

>>150646645
Go is a Chinese game and is actually 'harder' insofar as complexity. As far as tactics, there's a chink saying 'the understander finds nothing hard'.

>>150646895
Territory isn't counted by captured pieces nor by just intersections, 'controlled areas' count too.