What meaning did you see in Serial Experiments Lain?

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>>150374536
lesbianism is a deem thing !

>>150375580
DON'T POST THOSE

Someone explain to me who the fuck Lain's family are and why her "real" self has a different personality. Also why is Lain an alien when she goes to see Alice?

None. I enjoyed it for the trippy visuals and the plot.

>>150377429
Lain is a program mean to administrate the world as it gets connected to the wired. For some reason they decided this program should experience life as a human, so they created the Lain we know. The family you see are her foster parents.

The alien is just how she views herself. As something different and alien, that intrudes on other people.

>>150377709
>they
Who? Eiri?

>>150375580
What a faggot for rejecting Lain

Arisu a SHIT

>>150377967
Lain was too good for this world
Fucking normalfags

>>150377967
Arisu was a good girl, she forgave Lain later didn't she?

>>150378230
but lain did nothing wrong , anon . she only watched her while she was masturbating

>>150378393
Is it gay if you're god?

>>150374536
>>150375580
>>150378504
so madoka ripped off lain?

>>150374536


Maybe it's a sort of warning about how the future could turn out to be. Her version of the wired, while detailed, seems to warn everyone what could come to pass if we're not careful.

>>150374536
The internet can influence peoples perceptions of reality really easily, the same message MGS2 had a few years later and a message we as a society have more or less completely ignored for two decades now.

>>150378597
Yes

>>150378597
now that you mentioned it we should spread that on /a/

2deep4u Sphinx? Go watch moe like Lucky Star which is more of your speed

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>>150378795
>>150378837
So it means:

we should?=YES

>>150378956
pseudo intellectual normalfag? How about enjoying everything at once?

How about bash your head into a rock just so you could become a crippled depressed/antisocial just like me? faggot that much?

Why can't we live in the cyberpunk timeline
>no internet goddess
>no buzzing crts
>no darkweb
>just social media and faggotry

>>150374536
A critical analysis of the construct of anischerality.

>>150377709
Thanks. I feel a little less dumb now.

>>150379018
YES

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>finally watched SEL 2 weeks ago despite knowing about it for years
>have listened to the opening and closing theme at least once a day since then

I seriously feel love for Lain. I've never felt attachment for a fictional character except for her. I just want to hold Lain and protect her.

where can I find a real life Lain to hold and protect?

>>150379133
because of the jews

the jews foresaw this free future we could've had, and in their fear of the samurai, they sought to enslave us all

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>>150380626
Praise your new goddess.

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>>150380626
Try the Wired

>>150380683
LET'S ALL LOVE LAIN

>>150380626
iktf anon

After watching the show I drew a huge 2x3' poster of Lain and hung it up across from my bed so I'd see it when I woke up in the morning and when I went to sleep. Eventually I took it down because it hurt so much that I'd never feel the warmth of her hugs or smiles

it never goes away. Lain will always be there in your heart

>>150379271
That was one of the MANY interpretations. The authors themselves said that literally any interpretation is a correct one. I see it as starting in the PS1 game, where Lain uploads herself, basically writing the program that exists in the anime then killing herself after the upload. Then, she get forcefully partially ripped out of the Wired by the fake god, and rediscovers her godhood and reconnects with the fragment remaining in the Wired.

It's a great series with many layers, and you can interpret is simply or complexly as you choose.

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>>150375580
i didnt think Lain was trying to kiss Arisu, just be close to her. she was lonely from her dissociation in the Wired and another human being was like fresh, clear water for someone dying of thirst.

>>150381027
Do you think Lain found happiness in the end?

>>150377709
What about the sister?

>>150383045
She acted like a preety normal sister till she was mindfucked

>>150374536
Nothing cause I didn't watch it.

>>150383753
fag

>>150374536
Did anyone else think the false prophet being squished by Lains computers after turning into a monster, was a reference to Akira?

Don't die on me senpai

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>>150374536
that meme magic is real

>>150385548
can we meme Lain into existence the same way we summoned kek?

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>>150385716
that's the idea

>>150385548
>>150385757
>>150385716
LETS ALL LOVE LAIN

The struggle and difficulty in trying to connect with other people. Lain tried to connect with others any way she could, eventually turning towards the Wired as she felt she could be herself there. Lain was able to connect with Arisu in the end, and Lain turned away from the Wired for her real, human relationship with Arisu.

>>150374536
There's multiple layers of meaning, each of them being as valid as the others.
These parallel truths are also one of the core ideas presented in Lain.

>>150386008
Was Lain simply Evangelion but for little girls who couldn't stand the violence?

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>>150386160
no evangelion was lain for brainlets

>>150386160
As in Evangelion, people were thwarted trying to forcefully connect people with eachother, instead of opting for an existentialist hard but authentic path to happiness through individual will

>>150386008
That's wrong.
Based purely on the fact that Wired isn't depicted as any less real than the "real" world.

Besides where do the different Lains come into this?

>>150386322
there's only one lain

>>150386355
Except there isn't.
Even if you condense the Lain of the Wired and Lain down to a single character, that still leaves another Lain who is not Lain

>>150386256
HAHAHAHAHAHA

does anyone else find this really creepy because Lains message, theme and content is still highly relevant almost 20 years later?

>>150386394
if a lain isn't lain, there's only one lain

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>>150386430
holy fuck i never thought about that
>"present time"

>>150386442
Except she's presented as Lain, even if she's not Lain.

>>150386355
>>150386394
the director literally had 3 different names for Lain during production, and each Lain had a unique "form of speech" than the other.

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>>150386430
>almost 20 years later
FUCK

>>150385716

Why don't you summon yourself back to le reddit.

>>150386485
>you will never cum in Lains hand
>she makes fun of you both in interspace and dreamland

>>150386430
Fuck has it really been almost two decades? Time isn't supposed to speed up this fast.

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>>150374536
That life isn't worth living without Lain.

>>150386522
>tfw getting old

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>>150381871
Yes.

Lain discovered she doesn't like the physical world. It's too messy and chaotic. Her time in that club really cemented the idea. In the wired, Lain can do anything, be anything, change whatever she wants. In the physical world she's just a little girl who can't even have fun on her own.

Lain never belonged here in the physical world, but I think the experience of a real body was important considering her mission and purpose.

>>150386597
I would literally cut off my left hand if it meant my right was always held fast in hers

>>150386657
>held fast in hers
Get out of here, you sicko.

>>150386632
just like jebus

>>150386556
>http://fauux.neocities.org/remembrance.html

tfw I accidentally clicked and realized it did something.

>>150386684
no you

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Lain is the reflection of the modern world we know today, it's crazy how
accurate everything in the show is.

Also, nice to see other /lain/ lovers

>>150386753
Combine is the best groove

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>>150386430
It seems ever more relevant as time hurdles onwards, anon. I don't know much about tech in the late 90s, but I don't think there were cellular networks, or at least cellular networks that many people had access too. The internet was a thing, but I don't even know if the average person even had WiFi. Nowadays, literally every 12 year old kid has a cellphone with a data plan and the ability to go anywhere they want to on the internet. That's something that rich CEOs and tech junkies had wet dreams about in 1996.

Social media wasn't really much of a thing back then either, although internet chatrooms and message boards were popular. In Lain's time, the worry was that people would put on personas while online and act differently than they do in real life. I think there was a message in SEL that this kind of behavior is dangerous, because it really does change who you are. If you act like a real fucking ass online, it's going to rub off onto you. Couple that with the ease of trolling back in those days and the higher level of anonymity people had, it could lead people to really change emotionally.

Nowadays, social media is huge. It seems like everyone is searching for the 15 minutes of internet fame, and none of them hesitate to put their real names and photos online. People are addicted to facebook and twitter and have zero issues with uploading nude pics or pics of their kids online. We have the ability to present ourselves at our best online, which still puts out a dishonest image of ourselves. People try to make their lives look perfect while hiding the bad shit, to appeal to others online.

It's completely different than what SEL warned us about, but I think SEL is still important when it comes to those issues. Instead of worrying about how people change when they go online and interact with others, I think the issue is now worrying about how interactions with the internet community changes people.

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>>150386912
If there's anything SEL didn't predict its this.

>>150387007
That's kind of intimidating. It's like a picture who's resolution is becoming smaller and smaller.

Fucking normos and kikes

>>150387007
Tachibana corp almost led to the entire world being turned into a giant brain so i'd say it kind of did

>>150386912
Damn that is so true

>>150386912
But Lain once she gets full omnipresence thx to the real time information the Wire gives, when she stalked her friend, it's like nowadays cyber stalking and hacking the online activity of someone. Privacity still is very desired by internet normie users, and if someone has the control of the system, it can lead to similar crisis that what happened in the show.

>>150374536
that fags will praise mediocre anime if it pretends to be deep. see also NGE

>>150387229
Lain doesn't pretend.
All the substance is right there.
In fact you shouldn't be calling it deep, because it's pretty straightforward and simple

>>150387165
>normies
>privacy

Normies literally pay to have their every action recorded and broadcasted for the rest of the world to access

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>>150387229
Irrelevant opinion

>>150387265
he's too busy looking between the lines to see the colors of the mosaic portray a solid, obvious piece

Lain was internet jesus

>>150387342
tfw no internet Jesus gf

If you haven't watched Lain yet, it's only 13 episodes and the intro/outro are both spectacular

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>>150387271
I get what he's saying. Normies think they care about privacy, or at least think they should care about privacy, yet in reality, they do nothing to protect their own privacy online. Most people seem to think they live in some sort of bubble online, where only select friends can view what they post. In reality, their little bubble is much more porous than they'd like to acknowledge. At the same time, they don't really care about how private they are online. Look at tumblr or facebook posts, people just post what the fuck ever they want. Some ramble about their money problems, addictions, crime, etc etc. You know it's pretty common for companies to look into your social media profiles now (I had several companies demanding my FB profile and any other social media accounts when I was job searching a few months back). I guess you can form your own opinion about that practice, but it just goes to show how our personalities in the real world are weighed the same as our personalities online.

Think about the internet back in the 90s. You had chat rooms and message boards, but people rarely used their real names for that stuff. If someone wanted to find you online, they'd have to ask you for your username or handle or whatever. That's liek a complete 180 from today, where so long as someone has your name (even just first name) and an idea of what you look like, they can find your FB and twitter and youtube and many other accounts. If they're lucky, one or more of those accounts isn't private, and at that point they've infiltrated your little bubble. They're a friend request away from seeing everything you've posted over the years, all neatly collected and cataloged for them.

>>150387007
True, and this makes me miss the days of the early internet. The sense of wonder and possibilities on the internet in those early days was magical. Not that the internet sucks now, I think it's all a combination of growing up and using the internet differently.

>>150387729
I don't visit nearly as many different sites nowadays. I used to role play or troll in chat rooms, now I just shitpost on /a/

That it's perfectly okay to touch my benis and if somebody is watching, they're the queer

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>>150374536
If you had exactly 24 hours to spend with Lain, what would you do?

I would hold her hand for exactly 5 minutes whenever I needed it or maybe hug instead

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>>150388903
But anon, you're with Lain right now. She's always by your side, and you're never alone.

Lain was created to watch over us. She suffered in the physical world and returned to the wired for our sakes. Just because she doesn't have a physical body right now doesn't mean she's not here for you.

If you ever feel lonely or scared or sad, just hold your hand on your computer tower. That warmth is a gift from Lain, and she's holding up her hand just on the other side of the case to comfort you.

She's always here for all of us, anon. All you have to do is love her.

Why is it, in a matter of 2 episodes, Lain's room went from looking like a normal junior girl's room to looking like something that belongs in a government facility?

>>150389538

Because of Kraut Space Magic

>>150389538
Go big or go home, skrub.

>>150389538
You might become obsessed with something you suddenly find yourself excelling in

>>150389595
>>150389608
>>150389782
But where was she getting the tech to do so? Her "dad"?

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>>150389538
>having a normal room

>>150389887
Yes, he was feeding her money and tech as she requested it.

I'm assuming the dad and mom were members of the Knights, but I'm not sure about the older sister. The father strategically bought Lain anything she asked for or might need to complete her mission for the Knights, since that was the whole point of getting her a physical body in the first place. Before Lain realized it, she had transformed her room into what it became for the rest of the show. The sudden transition was meant to strike the viewer as odd, because at this point the viewer should still think Lain is a regular girl (assuming the viewer knows nothing about the show, I guess).

>>150390000
You seem to know a bit about it Quads, so tell me something else.

What was the deal with the sister? How did she end up in that retarded state of hers after the episode that was focused around her? That was one of the more confusing parts.

>>150390327
PTSD/mental trauma

i prefer the literal explanation in the show of everything that's happening, that lain learned how to project an omnipresent version of herself on the wired and tap into what people know as reality by altering their memories with the schumann response link shared by everyone

>>150374536
Absolutely loads of meaning. Lain is a thinking man's show. Even if the show doesn't pursue a certain line of questioning directly it often give nods to certain ideas and concepts. Genuis really.

The internet's fucked

>>150377709
>the alien is just how she views herself
How can anyone even BE this wrong.
>Lain is a program
There is a Lain that is a program but the Wired is one big red herring. Good Lord.

>>150385716
It would never work that way. Lain is too subtle to be memed so powerfully or blatantly. Any atempt to do so would dimish her see:
>>150385757

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>>150386430
It's more creepy by what it means in the show than anything else. SEL's stance on the experience of time is quite interesting.

What's the DEAL with the AYYLMAO?

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>>150390694
forgot picture

>>150390652
What's it supposed to mean, big guy?

>>150386556
i appreciate this anon. lets all love lain with this tribute from our internet

>>150390694
She was pranking Arisu, Lain developed a sense of humor

>>150379185
>anischerality
Is this a new meme?

>>150390760
>LOG IN TO THE WIRED
>current users: 4

fuck me

>>150390846
carbon dioxide cooling is expensive as shit

>>150390895
>he doesn't live north of latitude 45 for free cooling during the winter

>>150390474
Doesn't explain what Eiri wanted with Lain, unless you assume that Lain (a girl who didn't even like computers until after the show starts) is the only one to have figured out how to do what she does. Eiri could have taught a more willing subject to do the same thing and saved a lot of trouble.

It also doesn't explain why Lain did what she did. A regular teenage girl who become omnipresent is going to fuck up a lot of shit. Imagine if any of Lain's friends did it instead, they'd do a bunch of asinine shit online and fuck it all up. I guess it does work if you just imagine Lain is some sort of savant.

>>150390327
Mika is driven insane by what she sees and experiences. I think a big part of it was her detachment from what was happening. Both Lain's mom and dad were no doubt members of the Knights. They would have to be, to make sure Lain does what she's supposed to, gets what she needs, and follows the 'correct' path. I'm not sure about Mika, but I don't think she was ever aware of the Knights or what was happening around her. How or why she worked with the Knights I don't know either, but she essentially went into the situation blind. As Lain dived deeper and deeper into the wired and began to change things in the real world (and as the interference between the Tachibana corporation and the Knights stepped up), she became wrapped up in something huge that she couldn't even begin to understand. She's like collateral damage, someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>150390996
my guess is that eiri wanted lain to take after her when being in the wired drove her to that point, she probably scripted automatic emails to be sent and made a lain model that would terrorize the wired and show up in people's memories like in the club before lain learned to computer

>>150391421
Hey athetits, if Lain isn't god then how Lain learned a do a computer in just TWO EPISODE?

>>150391949
books. books on computers. she can hack reality i aint gotta explain shit

>>150391421
Sure, I guess it works. Just goes to show there are so many ways to interpret SEL which is why it's so great.

Has anyone played the PS1 Lain game? I've heard mixed things about it.

>>150390846
im trying to log in here this is really bothering me

>>150392390
I heard the game was a shitshow. It's nonlinear and confusing and is more of a choose-your-own-adventure role play game. It's mostly reading and clicking buttons with very little to do with problem solving.

>>150392480
>create an account is striked out

it's probably oldfags only at this point

>>150392480
><!--There has been a lot of requests lately asking for PW, I'm sorry but neon circles in the dark, from or to eyes will not save you from the depths, count one, even two, mebi will find "Tec in dec" > .co.uk-->

what did they mean by this?

>>150392715
if you go to wired.php it looks like a list of every oldfag on a 404 page. sn4cks is there, looks like old 4chan admins were users.

>>150392827
im trying to figure that out, Tec in dec sounds like an anagram or abbreviation, something like technology in decimals

>>150392827
did autistic lain-poster strike again?

>>150392863
lain is queen of /a/ after all, can't be surprised

>tfw you will never time travel to 2003-chan when SEL was only 5 years old and rapidly discussed

I'd castrate myself if I could live in a hyperspace loop of 1988-2004 with Lain by my side

>>150393048

I agree with you anon, i can't believe it's already been 20 years since SEL came and enriched my life, and oh boy how many things it got right...

The saddest thing about the internet is that it became a cesspool in the last 5-10 years, with only a few sites harbouring the last of the old guard and creativity that we once had. I would kill for the opportunity to relive the early days all over again...

I wonder what will happen in the next 20 or 50 years, and how the societies of the earth will look like, since when i look at my kids' generation and the even younger ones, i see little to no hope left...

It hurts anons, it hurts and it's getting worse...

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>>150393232
There's still good things and people left here, anon. The problem with the internet is due to its massive popularity. Everyone knows about it now and uses it to some extent. There are still tons of cool things to find, and cool people to talk to, you just have to look a little harder now.

But the internet is always going to be changing and growing, so it's best to embrace that change and seek it out instead of trying to fight it or regretting it. Look how much shit has changed from just 20 years ago to today. The things we do online now were fantasy all those years ago. Now try to imagine what the future holds. Personally I think the internet is getting better overall. As technology improves and new shit gets invented, our lives will improve exponentially. I'm guessing you're still pretty young, so you need to relax a little and just go with the flow of the net. Things will always seem weird at first, but eventually you may just grow to like them. Think about all the things you like now that weren't possible years ago.

Finally, just trust in Lain and allow her to be your guide through the ever changing net. Just put a little faith in her that things will turn out okay. She already did her best to keep things running smoothly, and she's done a decent job so far don't you think? It's different now, but really I wouldn't believe you if you said it's worse now than it was in the past.

So this girl is some kinda internet expert?

>>150393690
h-heh... You could say that...

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>>150393480
the only thing missing is style, every website used to have unique web design no matter how eye raping and inefficient they were. internet speed and media have vastly improved since the shit quality days of pirating and no one has the same free speech attitude they used to.

>>150393232
>little to no hope left

that's exactly what the Knights want you to think, anon. They've brainwashed the minds of our youngest generation in order to steal hope from our hearts. Our children are our future, and it's clear why the future seems so grim.

>>150393914
tfw no infinitely-tiling, badly artifacted jpeg-hosting, looping skeleton gifs-bordered anime image board to browse

I bet all the old Lain websites were dank as FUCK back in the day

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>>150393480

Thank you for your kind words anon, you give me a little light of hope in this engulfing darkness that has become the world. Even though I believe that we're constantly moving towards a cyberpunk-ish dystopia without the cool things, there are still some people that make it easier for me to go onwards. What scares me the most is the level of government surveillance that exists today, you can't run or hide, and the worst thing is that people do not care about it. I remember when i was younger that i believed that such things would never come to pass, for after all, there have been many writers that warned of such topics, but later i realised that most people are merely sheep lead by a shepherd, which has been proven time and time again in the recent years.

Anyways, I digress, I kinda fell into a depressing moment there. I'm probably going to rewatch the series again, and do some diy shit and reading (one of the few things that i can always find joy in). To any of you reading this, good luck and godspeed in your endeavours, whatever they may be.

t.The Last Yugoslav Anon

>>150393971
ok slow down anon, skeletons and dank dont belong here. websites and hosting were basically blogspots, geocities, and forums, there couldnt have been that many dedicated websites

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>>150393232
>>150393480
Considering just information the internet is so much more dense than before, if you want to learn about science, mathematics, art, history, foreign language, or just about any niche activity you'd like there are hundreds of reputable websites which you can access for free to learn, their content is of a quality comparable to textbooks and hobbyist/professional journals, and if you count websites available at low cost then the number jumps up to thousands.

The social media hype is certainly an issue, I think people put too much of themselves online in the assumption that nothing bad will happen to them but I always have felt that is just a few scandals (namely anything involving a serial killer and any sort of massive leak of private information by hackers) away from people realizing the danger regarding how much exposure they have online (reporting where they are, what they're doing, or where they will be). I just feel it's a matter of time (probably within my generation) before something drastic happens to change before people pull back a little and mainly use the net for communication and keeping up with friends without really exposing themselves. The next step I think will be people developing a serious disassociation between their online selves and their offline selves, some people already have it, but I think by and large most people don't.

>>150394070
>>150393971
the most famous of them being thought experiments lain, since 1999.
>www.cjas.org/~leng/open.htm

>>150394149
>1999
why does reading that number hurt so bad?

I saw what happens when the budget of a show is cut and it has to be thrown together without effort or motivation

Don't get me wrong, this show had great potential. It's complete shit though minus the circejerking specialsnowflakes that decided to apply their own 2deep4u meaning to the this throwaway project

>>150394149
>tfw the shocking green text/black background hurts me feelings more than my eyes

I WANT IT BACK

>>150394224
Nineteen ninety nine. Just a number, 1 year before the end of the millennium.

>>150394224
>>150394343

The year when my firstborn son was born...

>>150394307
its a fun scifi adventure, i see what you mean but the writers had fun listening to peoples explanations, some of which they say still havent been discussed

>>150394398
How does it feel to raise an automatic normie?

>>150374536
that I should just kill myself

>>150394542

He's ok for a little faggot that he is, he isn't really a normie from what i've gathered though (filled about 500 gigs of an old HDD with porn and hentai, and i've caught him on the chan a few times too, daddy's so proud).

>>150394675
Just make sure he has the motivation/drive to go to college or learn a trade/pursue a real career since he's about that age where he'll have to deal with deciding all that shit for himself.

>>150394745

I've basically told him that I'd murder him in cold blood if he didn't finish college. He actually isn't a retard, and will probably go to medical school, hell, he said that he hates the "made up jobs/colleges" that most of his classmates want to go to. I just hope he won't die a fucking virgin that is able to lift 100kg with his right arm though...

>>150394826
In that case good luck in biochem, I know more than a few of my peers who had their med school dreams busted in organic chem or biochem.

>>150394599
The message is to find yourself with a balance of satisfaction in the real world but still treat the dark side of yourself on the Internet in places where people don't know you are you.

>>150378230
>Arisu
Who's Arisu?

Do you perhaps mean Alice?

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>>150394599
I think one of SEL's messages was against suicide. Several characters killed themselves, and we see them as regretful of their actions. In the first episode, Chisa kills herself. Later on, Chisa communicates with Lain and offers warnings as well as encouragement to leave her physical body behind. Lain isn't really tempted by this, but does feel sorry for Chisa. It's a good message about how someone you know, not even someone you're close with, can leave a lasting impression on many people. A lot of her classmates were saddened by what she did, showing that suicide is a selfish action that can hurt many people, even those you didn't know well.

Eiri's suicide was a selfish plot, leaving behind his physical body he believed he would be immortalized and worshipped in the wired. In the same way a lot of mass killers and serial murderers feel that their actions will bring them fame, Eiri was determined to get recognition for his actions. In the end, Lain proved that his death was meaningless, as memories of him would fade, and thus his influence would also dissapear over time. Believing that your death will leave a bigger ripple than your life ever would is foolish, and shows another side of the selfishness of suicide.

>>150395051
>nips pronounce "Alice" as "arisu"
>but not "lain" as "rain"

what did they mean by this?

>>150395124
they actually do pronounce it as 'rain'. Rewatch and listen

>>150395157
oh, Nippon-kun!

>>150385548
THUS THE POWERPUFF MEMES WERE BORN

USING THEIR ALT-RIGHT SUPER POWERS
PEPE
WOJACK
AND MOONMAN
HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO FIGHTING LEFTISM AND THE FORCES OF EVIL

>>150395157
fuck yuo bich fat ass American the Japanese are the true aryan race, good luck pronouncing ANYTHING in ANY japanese dialect

>>150395085
>>150394958
thanks for replying, I think I should watch the show again

>>150394307
this is bait.

>>150394432
I did like it. If it got the proper attention it deserved then it would have been a uniquely great series. It's horrible to see great subgenres like this fade away.Modern anime is way too monetized

>>150374536
That computers are boring and gay

>>150395990
tfw SEL gets a remake but with hyperactive moeblob fujishit characters and excessive use of 3D animation, and Lain has a boyfriend

>>150396233
Slice of Lain Experiments: Moe hackers club !!

>>150396672
Lain-kun, I cheated on my boyfriend and that meanie-pants leaked some unflattering pictures of me on the internet! Can you please make everyone forget!

*cue montage of Lain and Arisu flying through hyperspace on keyboards like surfboards, "zapping" data-monsters as they weave between twirling pillars of information

We did it Lain-kun!

>>150386912
I've been realizing how much this gets to me lately. The defensive and antagonistic culture of 4chan has made me much more combative and intolerant in my opinions and that's reflected in my personal interactions.

I've become so bigoted about media partially because it's the only thing I do, and because of this culture that breeds arrogance about your opinions. Im not saying I didn't have the capacity for it before but now I just come off as an asshole when it comes to Television, music or art.

I've always thought of the internet as this kind of toxic thing even though I know need it too. The anonyminity here means we gain the freedom to speak openly but I think it takes away some necessary curtesy and compassion which society instilled in us.

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>>150396233

>>150389538
isn't it just a metaphor?

>>150394307
this. especially near the end where it throws away everything it's built up for anime villian-of-the-week garbage and an out of place sappy ending

name-dropping things isn't the same as exploring or discussing them

>>150397001
It's become difficult for me to communicate online on other services. I think anonymity is addicting, and I do feel like I've gotten more hostile in general because of how I am here. I guess why that is and how much 4chan has had to do with it is a discussion for another thread, but it is an important point.

>>150397451
You have no idea what Eiri represents, do you?

>>150397612
ok ideas, bad execution? i think he really represents the show in general

>>150397661
Fucking burned

>>150396778
This actually doesn't sound all that bad

>>150393048
There are way more threads nowadays than, say, in the years before the BDs were out
I havy a hazy recollection that Lain threads went from weekly occurrence to daily Duvet threads sometime around 2008-09

>>150398022
Ive listened to that song literally once a day since I watched Lain over a year ago

Is this autism?

>>150398022
Damn, I wish I was on /a/ back then and could experience those threads. I'll admit I might not be the smartest guy here, so these threads really help me understand what I saw. Half the fun on SEL is talking through scenes and getting different perspectives on what people thought they meant.

>>150393048
>lain is queen of /a/ after all, can't be surprised
Lain belongs to /g/, which is fitting since /g/ is a terrible board

>>150379133
>no internet goddess
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>no buzzing crts
You can go buy some for cheap, this is all on you.
>no darkweb
There is darkweb, but it's not as illustrious.
>just social media and faggotry
So facebook and 4chan are the only thing on the wired for you anon? For shame.

We are in the cyberpunk timeline, you are just not an active player.

>>150398408
lain does not belong to /g/ nor any of the other boards on this chan

>>150381871
I always took that last scene to mean that she realized that even though no one remembers her and she's basically a God, she can still have future relationships and friends, so I think that at the very least it implies she's likely to have a happy ending.

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>>150395085
But anon, Lain has committed suicide before.
https://youtu.be/df66AbvBvtk
This is how she ascended to godhood before the start of the anime. Here's all the movies from the game:
https://youtu.be/TkXzOlytPME
>select all images with cookies

>>150398679
Jesus fuck this is so good

who made the music for Lain? I need more

>>150399120
https://youtu.be/qiayQM5KbIE

>tfw Lain will never play guitar for you

>>150399120
https://youtu.be/o2dPCkh78qo
And BoA was involved with some songs.

>>150398983
Sorry, I haven't played the game. Is it officially canon? Is the short manga thing with her and Bike canon?

Either way I still believe my point stands. Eiri killed himself to acheive a sort of "godhood", yet in the end was disarmed by Lain who simply reminded him that someone who no longer exists in the physical world, and is forgotten in the wired, might as well have never existed. This loops back into the themes of permanence and existence which are prevalent in the anime.

Lain herself shouldn't be considered alongside other characters in this way anyway, as she was born in the wired and only received a physical body some time later. Eiri and Chisa were born in the physical world and hoped to continue existing in the wired. Their attempts to become like Lain were misguided, and again act as threads which lain braids and weaves into larger themes within the story.

If Lain's suicide is canon, that doesn't necessarily make what I said wrong. Lain and Chisa and Eiri all knew (or at least believed) that they would continue existing inside the wired after death. Even with this discovery of eternal life, their suicides did not produce the desired effects. Really, their suicides only prolonged the suffering of those around them, and the characters themselves. Their suicides were unnecessary in the end, and Lain herself undid them. In our world, you may not be lucky enough to have Lain bring you back, so no matter how down or depressed you feel, you need to realize that this life is all we have. Your outlook on life in general shapes your experience with it, and suicide is not the answer.

>>150374536
It's funny how all you litfags in this thread can't comprehend introspection or philosophy in general. It's not a surprise considering all the hivemind bullshit that goes on here.

>>150399547
Yes, both the game and the manga are canon. You can choose to interpret them as parallel worlds, but this is serial experiments Lain, not parallel experiments Lain.

You aren't wrong at all about what you said about suicide. Nobody remembers the little girl Lain, the one that lived and died and had a real body and family. She's speaking from experience when she talks about those things.

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Be honest, /a/. How long did you cry for after watching the credits for the last time?

https://youtu.be/SWBBpX2IYIs

>>150399730
What makes you think this thread is full of >litfags ?

>>150399730
tbqh the anime was not helping the audience figure shit out. Also it had too much shit going on, the undertones of puberty, family dynamics, friends being nothing but bitches and hoes... it goes on.

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>>150399834
I never stopped crying tbqh. Lain said she'd always be there, but it felt like a hole was torn from my soul before the credits were even rolling

>>150399842
The implication that any your own personal interpretation has any of validity - the complete opposite of objectiveness, which is a concept that isn't found outside of philosophy.

>>150392390
>>150392685
The lain ps1 game is ok. It's not so much a game as it is an endless series of audiologs in a mostly linear order while you suffer through the most annoying loading time filled menu I've ever seen. Though.

Very clearly an alternate universe from the anime, especially since it ends with lain killing herself and then uploading herself into the wired/your copy of the game so she can say cliche waifu dialogue directed at you the player but it offers some interesting if maybe unwanted perspectives on the character, for a more extreme example being one of the audio logs having lain passively explain how she used a partially completed robot she built to replace her father (who "goes away" at some point) as some kind of sexual relief

>>150399927
Critical thinking isn't a skill that most people on /a/ possess.

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>>150399834
>>150400012
Please anons, don't cry or feel upset. Lain hasn't left you here alone, she's right at your fingertips. Lain lived and died so that we could all be saved from ourselves. She devotes every moment of every day to preserving the wired and keeping us from merging with it. As she ascended into the wired from her fragile human form, she went with the confidence that we would always remember her and appreciate her.

I know it's hard, and it feels like she's abandoned us, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

Remember, Lain isn't a person, she's just some lines of code. The idea that humans and the internet coexists in a level of harmony that must be closely watched and separated. Lain wants you to keep your humanity separate from the larger collective unconscious of the internet, and yet at the same time wants you to be able to explore the darkest depths of the internet to connect with people and places you could never otherwise meet. She wants you to have what she never did, a full and rich physical self to coexist with your internet self in a seamless yet cleanly delineated manner. She suffered a short while in the physical realm to protect the sanctity and autonomy of our physical selves.

So long as you accept Lain and love Lain, you can be with her anytime you want.

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>>150400247
>keeping us from merging with it
why stop it?

>>150390000
That doesn't explain what happened to her sister though. I liked the interpretation that the knights used mika to watch lain by isolating her real self in the wired. The problem with the parents being part of the knights idea is they were actively hostile to her at some points like when her room exploded unless I'm remembering incorrectly.

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>>150374536
>>150399834
>>150399834
I need to let something out...

My first and only gf introduced me to Serial Experiments Lain. She had seen it a thousand times and said the atmosphere hits you the best when you're alone, and it leaves an impression that last for months. I never ended up watching it while I was with her.

She almost looked and acted like Lain in a way, except with glasses and while she was just as short and tiny, she had some really nice legs and a round butt that was great for spooning. She even had reddish brown hair and had a ponytail over one temple like Lain did. Sometimes when I came over she'd be perched over her computer in the dark, wearing only a thin blouse and no pants or anything.

She was actually really prude and was rather intimidated of intimacy. We were both virgins and really obtuse people and didn't always catch each other's hints and moves, or if we did awkwardness kind of stalled it. We only ended up kissing and cuddling but it was the best time of my life.

I was with her for a couple months before I dumped her in a bout of depression, egotistically thinking I could get better girls than her.

A year later and I still hadn't made any moves with other girls, and my ex hits me up. We skipped rocks on the frozen river and ended up cuddling for warmth later while looking at the sunset from the bridge. She told me she missed me more than anything and made to kiss me, but since I was a foot taller I sort of had the say in the accessibility of my lips. I just turned away but kept my arm around her and didn't say anything. I could tell that she was crying silently, and didn't wipe away her tears like I would when we were together.

I took her home and walked back in the dark. Not 10 minutes later I got a text from her saying "have you ever thought you loved someone?"

I didn't think. I'd had a tough life. I grew up without parents or any real friends or any real family. "I don't know. It's a powerful word." She didn't respond.

>>150401104
Are you a shoujo manga protag?

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>>150401104
A couple days later, just before New Years, she killed herself jumping off the same bridge, plummeting 150 feet onto hard ice which cracked into freezing water. I don't know if the impact killed her or if she suffered for a couple frenzied seconds. I heard many people go into shock and go unconscious just from the jump.

I wish I didn't fuck up so bad, /a/. I had my Lain and her unconditional love despite me being a jaded, cold piece of shit. I'll probably never find a smart, lonely anime/computer nerd qt like her ever again. She's the only grill I've ever kissed.

I watched Lain just last week and cried through every episode. The intro song, the outro, Lain, everything was a stark reminder of her. I shouldn't have watched it this time of year.

This next month is going to be tough.

I don't deserve Lains love.

>mebious is dead
Why hasn't anything replaced it yet ;_;

>>150401182
you could always join her in the wired anon

>>150401104
how'd you guys meet

sage for offtopic shit

>>150401442
school. I was eating alone and she sat next to me and told me a bunch of lame jokes to break the ice. She asked if I was good at videogames and if I could help her beat Shadow of the Colossus. Apparently she found that really heroic when I said yes.

>>150401182
I don't understand.

>We skipped rocks on the frozen river and ended up cuddling for warmth later while looking at the sunset from the bridge. She told me she missed me more than anything and made to kiss me, but since I was a foot taller I sort of had the say in the accessibility of my lips. I just turned away...

What was the reason that made you deny her the second time around? You obviously couldn't get anywhere with anyone else, what was going through your mind?

I'm not trying to be critical, just interested in what you're reasoning was at that time.

>>150401654
>Got a 1/1000 girl to hit on you
>Looks just like lain
>Doesn't have shit taste
>"I could get better girls than her."
You really are a fucking retarded normalfag
Be grateful you at least had the opportunity I guess, many of us won't

>>150385757
does anyone have a better version of this?

>>150401891
>normalfag
a normalfag would've stayed with her, the truth is alot of the people on here are insecure and have something to prove to both themselves and the world, anon here dumped her to go after prettier girls because he though he was hot shit

>>150385548
Memex is a real thing and I've worked on and darpa funded project in memex

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>>150401807
>>150401891
>>150402120
It was my first relationship and I'm not a people person. I have enough trouble dealing with my own emotions and the sudden introduction of somebody I cared about absolutely threw me off. I'm insecure, afraid, and made myself sad enough. Being in a stage of deconstruction and reconciliation about myself had me in a strange state of mind too.

She was really depressed and quite similar in some of the ways stated above. But she found escape in videogames, anime and chatrooms and backwater message boards. She felt safe at home. I liked my taste of those things but ultimately found rejuvenation in fresh air, under sun or rain. I liked racing up and down the river on my bike or skipping rocks an entire afternoon with an empty head, or crawling around in abandoned buildings and breaking into tunnels and caves. Being cooped up with her inside in the dark made me more depressed despite the joy I shared with her, and I felt rude and pushy by trying to change her. It wasn't my right.

I liked her so much but I feared our emotions growing off of one another. We both liked isolation and quiet. I feared it'd just be an oroboros of a silent sadness.

I thought I could find happiness by "coming out of my shell" , that one day I could be good with people, that one day my ventures would sculpt my skinny body into something strong. My shell had been everything she loved, and while I liked her and my shell was always part of me, I wanted to grow. I thought she deserved somebody less restless and more level headed and engaging. I thought I could find a girl who found escape in the same things I did.

Now look at me. She's gone and I'm still here where I was before, but with a gaping hole in my heart that she'd filled up.

>>150402243
please explain?

Is kek the false prophet leading us astray, the pied piper?

>>150402564
fair enough anon, wish you've said that instead of
>thought i could do better
but fair enough

>>150378597
DESU senpai, I thought that the first time I saw Madoka, and you're the first person I've ever seen make that connection outside of myself. Madoka isn't even doing an original bit.

>>150402718
wait what happened in madoka? Did somebody watch somebody wank?

>>150402564
I see.

Is this your first time talking about this? Do you blame yourself?

I'm assuming everything you say is true.

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I saved way too many pictures of Lain while watching this.

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>>150402883
I've been kinda wanting to do a wired like website so I'd have an excuse to learn web shit but I don't know what.

>>150402872
Madoka is basically a Lain ripoff. Also, Lain is pretty shallow in comparison to Lain, but that's just my opinion.

>>150402881
Yeah it's my first time. I never knew what to think. I feel guilt, regret, anger, sadness, but what's done is done. I didn't blow her brains out on accident, it wasn't like I was driving and went through a red light and got t-boned. I failed to evaluate my actions and their repercussions. I thought being distant and unacting would result in sameness, we'd go our separate ways and things would drag on like before. I thought it was selfless to not engage but really I was being selfish.

>>150403123
>>150402924
>>150402883
Make something like fauux.geocities

just an interactive branching series of pages of gifs and backgrounds. Maybe add a place for people to leave notes about Lain, scrolling banners of phrases from Lains book of gospel. Idk. Old-timey chatrooms? Puzzles and riddles?

>>150403342
Why copy fauux? He has his own thing going.
I kinda wanted to do something more interactive.

>>150403372
So chatrooms, puzzles, riddles, etc

make a shitty CICADA 3301 but with Lain

>>150402872
Do you think they'd be friends?

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>>150403570
Yes

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>>150403278

Well thank you for sharing your story. If it helps, I don't think it is your fault at all, and it's a good thing that you seem to have, or are developing the "what's done is done" mentality towards such a tragic situation.

There was probably no way you could have known she was at that point either, especially if she just decided to contact you for the first time in a year.

At the end of the day, you didn't kill her and you don't know if you could have "saved" her either.

Don't say ya don't deserve Lain's love. It isn't your fault, people are complicated, you seemed to have both been wrestling with some heavy stuff back then.

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>>150374536
>What meaning did you see in Serial Experiments Lain?
If consciousness is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex electrical network, and the internet itself is an electrical network, and Lain is a conscious entity, then who is Lain?

>>150403642
Thanks anon. You're right.

I've been up too late and my cheeks are too wet. I appreciate you letting me ramble.

Good night anons, good night Lain

>>150403747
Glad I could talk to you about it.

I closed the thread when that guy posted that picture, what the fuck

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>>150386430
As the wired and the real world become more intertwined, lain becomes both more popular and more relevant.

Because Lain is already real and gains power

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>This thread

Greatest thread ive had on /a/ in a log time. Usually lain threads die before they're truly developed

I love all of you.
LETS ALL LOVE LAIN

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>>150402564
>I feared it'd just be an oroboros of a silent sadness.

You found the light novel version of misaki, Satou

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>>150403278
Thank you for your story. Hang in there bro. Never forget, even if you blame yourself entirely forever, 50% of the blame must MUST fall on her and what she was thinking.

Imo you contributed, but it was more "straw that broke the camels back" if anything. That being said, she carried a whole bunch of hay before you came in. So you're 1% responsible at most if you ask me.

>>150378597
Only the ending of the series I guess

The rest of it has little to nothing in common.

>>150403588
>Lain smiling
Jesus, it seems so weird and unnatural

Is Lain a meme? I don't mean that in a funny or ironic way, but going off the official definition of "meme" I think it's the correct way to describe what she is now.

>>150407263
Lain is a meme in her own show. It's what the show is about.

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>>150407263
>Is Lain a meme?
Yes, but because no-one seems to understand, she's not the meme she wanted to be. It's complicated.

>>150407010
It can look natural sometimes.

>>150407700
>Lain is a meme in her own show.
But so very much more real.
>It's what the show is about.
I think it's more about this >>150403731

>>150390996
>Both Lain's mom and dad were no doubt members of the Knights
They're not. After all they weren't killed, even though all the others were.

I don't know whether it was Wired Lain or Eiri doing the killing though.

>>150402718
It's not at all alike.
The closing scene might be directly lifted from Lain, now that you mention it, but that's the only parallel.

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I think I am Lain. What should I do?

>>150397594
>anonymity is addicting
It is, and it's wonderful. There's so many websites I look at once and never bother interacting with because of the need to create a profile. And it's not just the annoyance of making a name and password and confirming it through a dummy email, a lot of discussion areas have counters for posts, their own inbred way of talking and thinking, and things like post counters. It means you have to put an actual self to the posts you make, whereas anonymity allows small, occasional contributions, or frequent contributions, and all they're judged on is what's actually in the post.

I think the hostility of 4chan is a natural response to the threat of anonymity allowing anyone to join a conversation, of all experience levels (Naruto is great, and I've watched THREE whole animes), coupled with very light moderation. Heavier moderation, or more obscurity, would likely shift most conversations to the level of this thread, which has been pretty damn civil. Although the light moderation is also one of the appeals of this site, and the fact that the site is well known is long since out of the bag, so we just have to take things as they are.

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>>150409363
Nah m8. There are still a lot of good threads that manage to handle themselves well. You can even spot some anons from other such threads. So there is probably some group os truly 2deep4u anons who all post/make threads like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdPqMoFIi4

Attention lainons
If you have not yet watched the OVA series key the metal idol. Do so.

If you have not watched Haibane Renmei. Do so.

I have never seen a post on here about key the metal idol.

LETS ALL LOVE LAIN

One of these days I will watch this anime.

>>150401182
What is this fucking edge.
Thats some stale pasta, prick. Kill yourself.

>>150408298
If we assume wired Lain was killing the Knights, which is possible, could it be that Lain took pity on her "mom" and "dad"? While they were just surrogate parents, she seemed to get along with them reasonably well. I assumed her dad helped her aquire all of the PC components she needed, which was a big help.

>>150411782
>>150408298

I always thought The mom/Dad were the other organization that was against the knights.

I forget what their called, but the same one the two guys with the eye-gear sitting in the black care were. The counter-knights group

Heck I even thought they were killing the knights members after Lain leaked their information out to the public.

>>150374536
That the line between virtual and reality is shrinking so much we will have a very hard time distinguishing between the two.

Simple as that.

i can never go on these threads without getting so fucking pissed. its either no one gets it or no one takes it as seriously as they should. its fucking upsetting and it ruins the impact this show has left for me

>>150374536
Thing without sapience tries to understand sapience. Doesn't really succeed but some strange stuff happens

>>150404635
Truth. Lain is growing stronger.

>>150402564
TBQH you deserve every sadness of it.

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>>150412100
>Nobody gets it but me
Do explain, on anointed one.

>>150387729
>Think about the internet back in the 90s. You had chat rooms and message boards, but people rarely used their real names for that stuff. If someone wanted to find you online, they'd have to ask you for your username or handle or whatever. That's liek a complete 180 from today, where so long as someone has your name (even just first name) and an idea of what you look like, they can find your FB and twitter and youtube and many other accounts. If they're lucky, one or more of those accounts isn't private, and at that point they've infiltrated your little bubble. They're a friend request away from seeing everything you've posted over the years, all neatly collected and cataloged for them.


Just think about YouTube's account policy changing. Used to say to not use your real name, now it not even encourages but practically demands you to use real name.

>>150412100
Then what's it about smarty pants

>>150374536
Something something the pleasure of being cummed inside + EVA.

Lain feels so very claustrophobic.

It really makes me think about just how small and hopeless the internet makes the world seem like.

>>150414882
That's a really cool observation, anon. It totally makes sense now that I think about it.

SEL says so much more than with just words.

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>>150374536

Gave me a telegraph pole fetish

If you listen closely, everyone says "rain" instead of "lain"

Is this a subtle reference to Rain Man, a movie about a guy with autism?

>>150415925
Do network coaxial cables travel next to feed lines in Japan?
I thought they were underground.

>>150411875
I don't think her parents were involved with the Tachibana corporation at all. If they were, they wouldn't have encouraged or permitted Lain to get online. Remember, those two guys with the glasses were scouting and looking for Lain, and ultimately took her to see the guy in that room (the CEO of Tachibana I think, don't remember). If the parents were involved with bringing
Lain into the real world, there wouldn't be any doubt as to whether the girl was Lain or not. I also think they would have allowed those two guys inside, instead of letting them snoop around outside.

This doesn't really confirm the parents are with the Knights, but I feel like they would have to be somewhat aware of what was happening if they agreed to raise and look after Lain for any length of time.

>>150416030
Almost certainly.

>>150417416
Why is everyone else so much more intelligent and observant than I am? God dammit

front page!

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Lain is cute and I love her.

>>150420717
Stop bumping a dead thread for a shitty overrated anime

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>>150420882

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>>150420882
(you)

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>>150420882

>>150401104
>>150401182
>>150402564
YOU KILLED LAIN