Puella Madoka Magica Rebellion

end of evangelion of anime

>>150267262
I feel the same way.
People can hate it, but it certainly takes balls to do an ending like that.

>>150267262
I never tought about it in that way, it's interesting. If you think about it, a lot of series have failed for taking high risks, because people don't like it or because it was just plain bad. Maybe all the ambient around Madoka was enough to setup a big swing, so maybe it wasn't that dangerous to make the move.

>>150267262
It would have probably sold better if it had the satisfying ending people craved.
In fact when you list the highest grossing late night anime movies, Rebellion is really high up there for a movie without catharsis.

it wasn't a risk, it's the same madoka with high budget
it will be a risk to make one more sequel, if the staff will be changed

Rebellion is great though.

>>150267262

Taking a fucking risk?

They did the exact opposite. They wanted to set up a sequel using the exact same formula and same cast as PMMM, so they set forth to undo the conclusive ending of the original in Rebellion. There is nothing more behind their plot choices.

>>150270520
>Madoka's wish did nothing to solve the problem; it only helped alleviate the suffering of some little girls
>conclusive ending

baka baka

I love Rebellion. I don't give a fuck. Urobuchi and Shinbo may be hacks, but they did good here.

The main series already stretched the believability of the twists by a lot, but the ending of the movie seemed pure unadulterated bullshit to me.
I was kinda still on the boat on the first part, even if dragged.

As much as I loved rebellion, which was quite a fucking bit, the ending to the show was just too satisfying for me to look at Rebellion as anything but a noncanon "what if" story. Probably going to look at the new project the same way.

One major issue i do have with the direction they are taking the franchise though is the retcon after retcon of characters deaths. Not a single consequence of PMMM seemed to carry over into the new universe Homura made, which sucks considering how the series was built on characters actions having super high steak consequences.

>>150271704
it's not a what if, if it's a direct continuation

>>150272146
Well yea I know, but I frankely don't enjoy it as much that way

>>150270520
How could it be less of a risk than the movie everyone was expecting (I.E. a feel good ending where everyone goes to Madoka heaven and is happy forever after saving some people from wraiths)?

>>150271704
How does Homura pitting herself against Madoka's wish and trapping the dead on Earth, setting up a giant confrontation that has the potential to fuck up the universe not have consequence?

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>>150272806
Incidentally, this is why I love Rebellion

It's not the neat happy send off people want

It's not one hour and thirty minutes of Homura and Madoka scissoring

It's a fucking ride that steps all over your dreams and leaves your mouth agape at the end.

When I drove home from the theatre with my friends we were dead fucking silent. The movie works because it teases a cliche happy ending and then punches you in the face for expecting one

>>150267262

If by huge risk you mean following along with retarded producer suggestions and Urobuchi being right that it would split the fanbase then yeah sure tons of balls to go with an obviously bad random idea that it didn't even bother giving enough to time to flesh out or follow up on so that it comes across to many as nonsensical and like sudden re-purposing of a character for commercial reasons.

>>150273712
The movie has its own consequences, sure, but by the end of the movie:
>Mami is fine
>Saiaka is fine (and over her crush, which was the whole reason she became a magical girl in the first place)
>Madoka loses her omnipresence
>Homura, despite being a demon, is content with Madoka being fine
>Kyoko is friends with the main cast now (more or less devaluating her depressing back story)
>Kyubey is suffering
>Witches STILL don't exist, and from what we know, wraiths might not either.

I know a few of these points are accomplished when madoka becomes god too, but at least then its at the expense of something.

>>150274401
Everyone except Homura are being blue pilled with force to stay in a dream world for eternity.
"the expense of something" is much bigger than in the series.

>>150267262
It was basically the madoka of anime

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>>150267262
It was very good. It is the only movie that I can remember that made me very surprised with the ending.

>>150274401
>Mami is fine
Yep, I don't have anything to say to that

>Sayaka is fine (and over her crush, which was the whole reason she became a magical girl in the first place)
Sayaka is over her crush, which is nice. But she's still dead and will go back if Homura ever loses control. And that doesn't address her huge hero complex and black/white morality which were satisfied by the LoC and were arguably the real reason she got destroyed in the series.

>Madoka loses her omnipresence
She's split into two, and the powered goddess Madoka is actively struggling against Homura's world. If she succeeds, everything goes to hell.

>Homura, despite being a demon, is content with Madoka being fine
Homura is very clearly not happy, she's just willing to suffer for Madoka, like she always has been. I really seriously don't think all that suicide imagery and her talk of becoming a demon were pointing towards her being stable.

>Kyoko is friends with the main cast now (more or less devaluating her depressing back story)
I'm pretty sure that Madoka's new universe already gave Kyouko a happier story. If it didn't, then isn't her being brainwashed to forget her family and motivation a tragedy in itself?

>Kyubey is suffering
Yeah, I agree here too.

>Witches STILL don't exist, and from what we know, wraiths might not either.
So Homura potentially fucked up the lifespan of the whole universe.

Not to mention this ending presents a Brave New World/The Matrix sort of dilemma. Lots of people would argue that brainwashed and imprisoned, yet happy in Homura's world is horrifying and tragic.

I thought it fit in quite nicely with the original series in that even when you "win", there's always a price. Even if you violate causality, someone, somewhere, somehow, has to pay.

>>150274177
>It's not one hour and thirty minutes of Homura and Madoka scissoring
Well shit, I did like it until you pointed out it could have been that.

Seriously, though, I know what you mean. Only work of fiction that ever literally drove me to drink.

>>150275294
>She's still dead and will go back if homura loses control
Not him, but can you speak on that? I figured she just came back to life like Mami did

>>150267262
Yes, it is one of the only ones that decided to take a risk. You see steins:gate doing anything like that? Nope. They should be admired for trying something different.

Do we owe them an apology? Fuck no, they knew it was going to be divisive, Urobuchi said so himself. If it doesn't work, then it should be pointed out, that way people don't make the same mistake again.

>>150267262
IDGAF, I love this movie despite what anyone says

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>>150267262
It was shit and it destroyed the ending of the series for more money.

NGE Rebuild, unironically, has more artistic integrity then Rebellion

It's my favorite anime, but I can see why some people disliked it. The TV series ended with a satisfying conclusion; Rebellion does not. Rebellion absolutely demands a sequel to conclude things. And I can see why people are annoyed when something already concluded gets dragged out.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people that dislike it because they misunderstood it.

>>150275879
I actually think it concluded things fine.

>>150275388
Sure thing

Mami was dead until Madoka's wish, but Madoka remade the entire universe from scratch as though witches has never existed, and in that world Mami makes it ok and teams up instead of dying.

We see Sayaka opting to stay dead in episode 12. When Homura come's along at the end of Rebellion, Sayaka is a part of the law of cycles.

Now from what we've seen, when Madoka takes someone, they become part of the law and help her fly around and grab more souls.

When Homura pulls the Rebellion she doesn't just resurrect Madoka straight up, since that would violate her wish (we know it's not a real retcon of her wish and resurrection because we can see Madoka's LoC powers struggling to reconnect to her in the school), instead she says she breaks off the personality and lets the law keep working otherwise. It makes sense to me that the same thing happened to other the other LoC agents, as Sayaka immediately summons Octavia against Homura, only to be cut off from the power and losing her memories the same way we see Homura do it to Madoka. I assume that being a part of the LoC means getting cut off and rejoining it in the same way Madoka does, because otherwise Homura decided to go through the trouble of bring Nagisa back to life out of the goodness in her heart.

Note also that out of the two people we see resist Homura, both of them did so be connecting to the LoC. Mami and Kyouko didn't seem to indicate they knew what happened.

>>150276312
Thanks for the explanation. It's been a while since I watched either

>>150276312
>Mami was dead until Madoka's wish, but Madoka remade the entire universe from scratch as though witches has never existed, and in that world Mami makes it ok and teams up instead of dying.
I'll also add that the reason for this is probably because she wasn't overconfident after a conversation with Madoka. Yes, Madoka was indirectly responsible for her death

I find that Rebellion is a lot more carthartic when you consider that it's actually about Homura overcoming her self-esteem issues.

>>150274177
this, besides the anime did a similar thing
like everyone expecting kyoko to save sayaka from her witch form and both ended up dying in the episode

>>150276312
If you're right, I assume that only the former magical girls that were currently acting as agents of the LoC got cut off and dumped into Homura's new world, or else Tart and Cleopatra and a ton of other old magic girls got brought along too.

But that would mean that there's still an agent of the LoC that we haven't seen Homura suppress: Nagisa. If she reconnected to the LoC and talked to Mami instead of confronting Homura directly, it could explain why Mami was looking pissed in the concept movie (assuming that meant anything, of course).

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>>150277737
>Homura lets something slip through her fingers again.
As usual.

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>>150277737
>Nagisa

Nagisa is going to stop Homu and save the day. She's going to be the hero of the Madoka franchise.

>>150278071
Maybe she will stop being a plot device and become a character.

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>>150278162
She is very cute though

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>>150278071
Why does she like cheese so much anyway?

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>>150278364
She likes "cheese"

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>>150278071
I don't know if I want to see my daughteru and my sisteru fight. But I would like to see Nagisa become a hero.

>>150278162
Be nice to her.

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>>150278364
Her mother was dying so Nagisa wished to share one last cheesecake with her before she died. She fell to despair afterwards because she realized that she could have wished to cure her mother instead.

She could use her magic to create candy and sweets and whatever else, but since she wished for a single cheesecake she cannot use her powers to make cheese. So she likes cheese so much because it was something she couldn't have.

>>150267262
Rebellion was a fantastic movie.

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>>150278587
I hope this backstory gets expanded at some point, even just in a manga. As far as I know it's only in some concept art notes

>>150267262
It was a shameless cash grab which robbed the series from getting good closure.
And retards ate it up because Shaft wrapped it up with a shocking plot twist, and most anime fans only watched Madoka for the shocking plot twists, not for decent story-telling.

>>150278881
It was pretty consistent with everything we know about Homura

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>>150278664
I would love for a Nagisa mango. They need to show her being happy before her mother gets sick though. I don't want it to only show her being sad for the entire thing.

>>150279400
It will have to show her becoming a witch which, unfortunately, wasn't long after her mother died.

>150278940
I really don't have problems with Homura's characterization (always thought she's was a terrible idiot, with the excuse of having time-loop induced senility).
I don't even think Rebellion is bad. I think it's a terrible sequel, a cynical attempt to extend something that they didn't plan to extend, and it's was done in the worst way.

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>>150279543
>despairing cheese loli
Yes good

>>150279590
>I don't even think Rebellion is bad
>and it's was done in the worst way

??????

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>1 year after the concept trailer is leaked
>still literally no news
pic related it's me

>>150276789
>like everyone expecting kyoko to save sayaka from her witch form
Everyone knew she was a goner, at least on /a/, the real question was if Kyoko would die with her.

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>>150279543
They could show Madoka taking her away instead. That would be less sad. The story would just have to take place in the universe where Madoka made her wish.

>>150267262
>Is this the only continuation of a franchise in years which had the stones to take a huge risk despite being assured financial success
Haruhi

>>150279697
You're enjoying the cool water and your knees are exploding. Do I have this correct?

>>150279626
I don't see how that is a good thing.

>>150279761
Nope. It has to show her becoming Charlotte.

>>150279773
I hope you're not talking about the Disappearance movie because that's literally based on the same tried and true source material.

>>150279876
He's probably referring to Endless Eight
Some people weren't amused by that

>>150267262
It ruined the ending.

>>150279859
I'm dying because the new movie will go the same way as yuyushiki's OVA and sora no woto's season 2

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>>150279868
Why? Ending with Nagisa going to magical girl heaven would be a better ending, wouldn't it?

>>150279693
Yeah, I don't think it's a bad movie. I had a good time watching it, animation and music were good, I found some plot points interesting,... But as a sequel it sucked.
I'm not butthurt enough to say it was completely shit because I thought they ruined the franchise.

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>>150280030
No, she really needs to turn into a monster before getting being saved by the magical girl Valkyrie and taken to Valhalla.

>>150280030
She was Charlotte before Madokami came to be. Seeing her despair before being save sounds better.

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>>150280188
>>150280143
But Madoka's wish means that she never turned into a monster.

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>>150281155
>mfw the new madoka magica movie comes out the day Aleppo is liberated by SAA

>>150267262
It is good, but ending it with a cliffhanger that ruined the first series is not good. I have the same problem with R3 as what I have with Rebellion unnecessary sequel to a good ending. I'd be fine with Rebellion's ending if and when we get a sequel that finishes everything up. But knowing Gen's schedule that won't be for awhile.

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>>150267262
I liked Rebellion because they were brave enough to give an ending they knew people would hate. It was a bit heavy on the fanservice, though.

I would've enjoyed Rebellion more if it were a second twelve-episode season instead. The size of the twist it tried to pull off warranted the kind of build up that the first season gave its revelations.

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>>150283349
what is a homu?

>>150283282
>!Akemi is STILL renaming his files trying to pretend he's actually different people
Seeing as how it never fools literally anyone, why do you keep doing it? Because you keep getting mocked for it so you want to pretend it doesn't bother you?

And you don't like Madoka, Rebellion, you any of the characters. All you care about is your mindless shipping shit.

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>>150283731
ok buddy, you got me