>couldn't write letters, even her name >really just

>>150163712

Naruto.

French men are pussies by nature, so they wouldn't fight the english even when they were getting conquered.

Then some teenager girl charged the english and they felt they had to follow her in or else lose their man card forever.

>>150163712
Think it's this guy: http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=83739

Character is Jean D'Arc (Alter) from Fate/Grand Order

>>150163712
Can't you even google the green text's context?

It's Marie Antoinette from Smite. Fucking frenchmen.

>>150163986
American knowledge of history always makes me laugh.

>>150163505

Truth is stranger than friction.

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>>150163986
Wew lads this is looking like it's gonna be another shitty /pol/ or /int/ thread

>>150164197
Well, that's fine by me

>>150164197

As opposed to a shitty /his/ thread?

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>>150164270
you got a point , they are all shit

>>150163505
PERFIDIOUS SONS OF ALBION GET OUT OF MY LAWN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150163505
She gave all Frenchmen a kick in the collective balls by being a woman and going into the battlefield.

But jokes aside, she was really a savant, going by what the reports say. During the Inquisition trial, she never faltered at any theological question and actually bantered with them (when an English bishop asked her in what language do the Saints talk to her, she told him their French is better than his). Multiple theologians failed to find a single flaw in her words, so she wasn't charged for witchcraft but crossdressing.

She had an instinctual knowledge of what to do on the battlefield, especially artillery placements.

Also, she really disliked company of women despite being always helped by them, as it was the noble ladies who first caught on the "holy maiden sent to save France" bandwagon.

And don't trust those who says she had big breasts, at that time they preferred average-small, but shapely and slightly perky ones. The paintings and sculptures of Mary were always given boobs like these, as they were considered perfect.

>>150164349

It's worth noting both before and after Jeanne the French were basically a whipping boy for the English. Even after the English gave up on conquering France they still trashed them in war after war (Nine Years' War, Spanish Succession, Seven Years War, Napoleonic Wars).

>Be Jeanne Alter
>Spend Christmas telling orphans that because they have no parents, Santa won't get them gifts
>said oprhans end up trying to attack Santa for presents
>Santa beats the shit out of them

>>150163986
Retarded anon, the english were french too.

>>150163505
That precisely what french were needed. The noble armies were actually quite small in numbers. While she railed god-feared peasantry behind her back and led them against usurpers. While dukes were bickering among themselves to not bet on the lame horse. Just look at the dukedom of burgundy it's almost ascended as a kingdom because of the 100 years war.

>>150163505
Frenchmen are the biggest waifufags, hence their varied selection of animated shows that doesn't always fall into "show for kids to advertise toys" or "big dumb comedy adult show" categories.

>>150163505
Morale is a huge part of warfare, arguably the most important. Jannu was a massive morale booster for the soldiers, as such they fought harder and was less likely to break ranks or retreat. Legends of her and her actions also spread like wildfire throughout the kingdom, giving a morale boost to the entire nation.

>>150163505
I got a LN title for you
>I can't write my name but suddenly I am Frenck commander

t. Anglo

How did Fate Jeanne get so popular?

>>150165788
fate zero and the COOLest servant.

>>150164425
I dont agree with the calling her schizo stuff though. Fuck psychiatry. Jeanne was like a more modern Jesus.

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>>150166011
Gilles is best boy

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>>150164425
>The paintings and sculptures of Mary were always given boobs like these, as they were considered perfect.
I wouldn't trust depictions of "perfect virgin do not sexualize" as the epitome of sexiness. As evidenced by the fact that even in the Belle Époque, when painting nude women became fashionable again, Mary was always properly -even conservatively- dressed.

>>150165078
>I kent rit mai neem but sudenlie I am fränsch commander?!?!?!

>>150166276
>I dont agree with the calling her schizo stuff though
It's an easy dismissal for the skeptic to call her mentally ill, but that fails to explain her behavior at her trial, her calm demeanor during battle as well has her mastery of artillery in her tactics. A more sensible way to dismiss her divine claims is to follow the conspiracy theory that she was a noblewoman trained in secret specifically for this purpose.

>>150164451
t. britbong

That's completely wrong. The hundred years war had 4 phases, alternating between english and french dominance, and resulted in ultimete french victory with the english losing all of their continental territories.

>nine years war
The french fought all of Europe allied againste them, not only the english you retard, and it was not a whipping, since they kept ssome territories

>Spanish Succession
Yeah once again the brits did all the work right ? Top kek

>Seven Years War
Same shit

>Napoleonic Wars
Hahahaha

>>150166584
>since they kept ssome territories
In North America it was status quo ante bellum actually. As for the Spanish Succession, it's in the name isn't it? The French ended Habsburg encirclement (their goal going into the war) so I wouldn't call that a loss by any means.

He also failed to mention a tiny little, insignificant war between the Seven years war and the Revolution: the American war of independence.

>>150163505
She was a legend to rally around and apparently an actual fucking genius from the records we have of her. She couldn't read or write but made English bishops trying to mark her as a heretic look like retards and possible heretics themselves.
It's a combination of a huge morale boost and actual genius.

>>150163505
She's credited with the victory partly because the actual details of her life make for a perfect story (maiden is given a mission by God to save her country and accomplishes the impossible, only to die a martyr's death not long afterwards) and because, as some of the other anons have said, she probably was actually a remarkable person.

It's telling that the French aristocracy not only was unable to erase her from history and take credit for the victory themselves but that many of them vouched for her legitimacy even after she was dead and they had nothing to gain from continuing if it had been a mere charade.

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>>150167309
>It's telling that the French aristocracy not only was unable to erase her from history and take credit for the victory themselves but that many of them vouched for her legitimacy even after she was dead and they had nothing to gain from continuing if it had been a mere charade.
Not that her image was always as good as it is today. Shakespeare's paymasters, the English monarchy, had him depict her like a common whore and Voltaire (basically an early modern shitposter) wrote an entire poem about some nobleman fucking Jeanne.

>>150164451
>It's worth noting both before and after Jeanne the French were basically a whipping boy for the English.
Fucking lmao no
From the fall of the Britons right down to William the Conqueror, the British Isles were worth complete piss. William and following kings were Frenchmen, and even then it was literally France's Europe, the only ones that could remotely give them a real run for their money were Germany (once upon a time called Middle / East Francia) and once in a while England

>>150167351
>like a common whore
It's worth noting that Shakespeare was on the English payroll so he basically acted as a propaganda master in the way people used to hire poets to write poems saying how the royal family was descended from Ceasar.

>>150163505
Jeanne D'arc is a fucking genius, who led France. Just like you said
>became a French commander all of a sudden then lifted the seage of Orleans actually, triggering the turn around for France
So why shouldn't they remember her?

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>>150165788
Titties and lmao so pure.
Alter is because she is literally a meme and designed to be one.

>>150165788
She's perfect.

It's fucking amazing.

She's a teenager who has been dead for hundred of years yet britbongs still go mad at the very thought of her existence. They feel the need to shit on her at every occasion while pretending they don't care about her and she was totally schizo and they won Agincourt and France sucks at war and stuff.

It never fails to amuse me desu.

>>150167712
The French did kind of fucking suck at Agincourt, Crecy, and Poiters.
Also the French basically left Jeanne to rot after Charles thought he was secure enough to not need her services anymore.

>>150164658
Really makes you think.

She was a Mahou Shoujo, because Kyubey powers.

>>150167760
>Also the French basically left Jeanne to rot after Charles thought he was secure enough to not need her services anymore

Shit annoyed me when i was reading Jeanne's history.

Fucking ungrateful scum.

Though weren't there rescue attempts that all failed?

>>150167798
When you actually look at the circumstances surrounding it and the fact that the Burgundians and English simply wouldn't have had the ability to fend off France's much stronger at that point army, I'm of the opinion that Charles basically put up a show but said 'DON'T ACTUALLY GET HER OUT'

>>150163505
Nero Alter when? I want every Saber to have an Alter version.

>>150167836
What would Nero Alter hold a grudge over, that nobody appreciated her shitty drama?

>>150167760
Yeah, and those are the only three battles English education, media and pop culture emphasize. This is the English understanding of the Hundred Years War:
>We (and by "we" I mean 100% purebred Englishmen) should totally own France
>We kicked their sniveling asses at Agincourt, Crecy and Poitiers, the only three battles in the war
>Then some schizophrenic whore-witch showed up and SOMEHOW the French won
>But they actually lost because even though their territory doubled in size there were millions of dead in France
>Literally every single one of them killed by an Englishman, literally none of them killed by the Black Death
>We "won" despite the claim of the Lancasterians to the throne being so shaken in its legitimacy that we were plunged into a civil war, which is (in terms of victims proportionate to the total population) the deadliest war England ever experienced, including both world wars

You'd think English schoolbooks are written by propagandists at this point. And who's to say they aren't? Hell, last year the English even celebrated the anniversary of Agincourt. That's on par with the Battle of Tannenberg Line being celebrated by the Germans: a smashing victory in a war they lost horribly.

>>150163505
Too cute for me. I want to impregnate that pure girl.

>>150167923
That's pretty much every country though, they generally emphasize their strengths. See: Revolutionary War (The British literally didn't feel like fighting, the biggest problem they ran into was that the populace didn't fucking care enough to die far from home, and the French kept sending shit to Washington who wanted to fight field battles but wised up and didn't fuck up) taught in the US, or how each of the UK, USSR, and USA think they were the biggest deciding factor in the second world war, or how conviniently '''new''' discoveries are brought to the fore as historical leaders fall in and out of favor (Qin's First Emperor suffered full cycles at least three times through China's history).

>>150167494
But why is Alter so perfect?

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>>150168069
>Jeanne d'Arc Alter
>Pure
You've got something else coming Gilles

>>150168112
She just is.

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>>150168139
>Any Jeanne ever
>Not Pure
Sempai, please.

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Alter is shit

Scat > Jeanne

>>150168323
Brits not welcome.

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Pure!

>>150168399
What the hell, is that the Christmas event?

>>150168253
t. fetish for big british and burgundian dick

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>>150168486
>things that never happened

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>>150168508
Want to know what did happen
Dragon Dick

>>150168486
Jeanne Alter Santa Lily

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>>150168529
>non-canon
(lol

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>>150168323
>>150168341
>Of the love or hatred God has for the English, I know nothing, but I do know that they will all be thrown out of France, except those who die there.

>>150168548
>Alter Lily
>Alter aka a shitty person piece of Angra Mainyu
>plus Lily
How deep can we go

>>150168559
Her fucking dragon homoculus is pretty canon at this point

>>150168578
Jeanne Alter has nothing to do with Angry Manjew.

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All Jeannes are good

>>150168578
Canon in your mind

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>>150168657
Agreed.

Dark and Alter are better, though

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>>150168653
Well, Alters are basically just grudge-filled forms of the original, even if JAlter is just Gilles' fanfiction. Since Angra Mainyu is supposed to be all the world's evil and the grudges and hatred of humanity as a collective whole, it kind of follows that whatever the hell Jeanne Alter's problem is (i.e. whatever the hell Gilles' problem is) is included in Angra Mainyu.

>>150168661
Yeah okay mate

All Jeannes are eternal virgins

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>>150168737
I really like her 5* art and ougi, it also goes well with Albert's since he ougis right after

>>150168817
Gudako rapes everyone she summons.

>>150167351
Yeah, I'm familiar with the poem that Voltaire wrote about her. From what I remember, it was roundly criticized by his contemporaries and he ended up trying to distance himself from it as a result.

>>150168895
They generally all reacted as "dude what the fuck is your beef with the girl".

>>150168895
>he ended up trying to distance himself from it as a result
Well, at least the smug cunt did one thing right.

>>150169340
Voltaire is kind of a fucking ass
>Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire
While whether or not it's Roman is up to debate, being Holy is something true as long as you admit that the Pope can declare something holy and it's an empire by definition as it's ruled by an Emperor.

>>150169368
>While whether or not it's Roman is up to debate
It's not. At all.

>being Holy is something true as long as you admit that the Pope can declare something holy
In Voltaire's time, the emperors hadn't been crowned by the pope for centuries.

>and it's an empire by definition as it's ruled by an Emperor
It was purely nominally an empire. The emperor had nowhere near the centralized authority we expect from an emperor, and as we discussed earlier claims to succeeding the Roman Empire are downright retarded.

Voltaire is an ass and I don't understand why he is considered the greatest of the philosophes when there are so many better candidates (Rousseau and Sièyes to name two), but he was right about the Holy Roman Empire. Though none of that required deep thought, merely describing what you see.

>>150168886
Meanwhile, her male counterpart doesn't even need to rape them because the servants all want him bad.

>>150167923
>We are master race
That's literally every country's history course.

>>150169468
>It's not. At all.
The problem with that is that the Emperor of the ERE called Charlemagne the Emperor of the Western Romans before.

>In Voltaire's time, the emperors hadn't been crowned by the pope for centuries.
The Emperor was never Holy. The Empire was, and it existed without dissolution right from the high middle ages, when it WAS blessed by the Pope.

>It was purely nominally an empire. The emperor had nowhere near the centralized authority we expect from an emperor, and as we discussed earlier claims to succeeding the Roman Empire are downright retarded.
>centralized authority we expect from an emperor
The definition of Empire is vague. The HRE at Voltaire's time was a decadaent, fucked up and degraded version of the partially centralized imperial entity it was under Barbarossa and succeeding Emperors. That doesn't magically downgrade it from being an Empire, the Han Emperor had authority in nothing but name by the time of Cao Cao and his gang, but we call that period of time Eastern Han anyway.

>>150169515
It's a lot better for some countries either because they actually were the master race at some point, or they were literally never relevant and can't even scrap together something to glorify themselves. The worst offenders are people like Korea or Greece, the former were never relevant because they were between two much more relevant nations and the second are 2000 years late to the party and probably not even the same peoples that once called themselves Greeks.

>>150168578
>>Alter Lily
>>Alter aka a shitty person piece of Angra Mainyu
>>plus Lily
>How deep can we go

It is just Jeanne Alter who took the Youth Elixir from Gil and decided to be Santa

>>150169643
Why does Gilgamesh have the Elixir of Life anyway, doesn't his story end in him either throwing it away saying "ha, I never needed it to begin with, people aren't meant to live forever!" or it getting eaten by a snake and him basically killing himself over losing it?

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>>150169680
He obtained it in life. That's enough for him to have it as a Heroic Spirit.

>>150169941
Is that how it works? Because I mean, King Arthur doesn't get Avalon, but I presumed that was because it's a fundamental part of his story that he loses it. Gilgamesh's myth basically hinges on the fact that he indeed decided he didn't want the Elixir.

>>150169985
>>150169680
Gilgamesh has the Gate of Babylon, which gives him anything he obtained in life plus anything achievement of mankind (so not Excalibur or Attila's sword) that is grounded in legends newer than him (all of them).

>>150170023

so they basically "owe him" their own legends huh?

>>150169985
Gate of Babylon, as the other anon pointed out. Plus, Arturia is an anomaly and doesn't follow the rules. She's not dead yet, and as such she's not technically a Heroic Spirit.

>>150170188
The Epic of Gilgamesh is the original myth, so yes. Plus a lot of his treasures are archetypes of later Noble Phantasms, like Gram for Caliburn.

>>150170188
Well, that's how it was presented by Nasu.
I think the idea isn't that every legend is literally based off the Epic of Gilgsmesh, but that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest (surviving written) story in mankind's history and therefore by Nasuverse ideas was the 'original' heroic epic, and everything else that comes after might've developed independently sure, but they still use the Heroic Epic model, which Gilgamesh can actually lay claim to.
To put it differently, if you were to summon Adam, it'd probably be summoning both Adam himself and the "Concept of Mankind", because Adam is the first, original example of Mankind.

>>150170319
>>150170270

like i said, when he uses a NP he's just using the royalties owed to him for inventing that "Hero" shit

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Jeanne is cute! CUTE!

A good artillery general will always be better than a good cavalry or good infantry general.
But if it was just that, Jean wouldn't have gotten so far.

There is other things, such as being a good figurehead, inspiring good moral, don't fucking up basic tactics, going for good objectives
There is also other things, such as the English supply line starting to falter once it was pushed.

>>150171710
Yes she is! IS!

>>150171845
>A good artillery general will always be better than a good cavalry or good infantry general.
Not really. Artillery is the God of Battle, but only if it's actually protected correctly. Artillery is unique in that it is very close to fucking useless on its own, and also unique in that it's fucking expensive, and unique in that 'killing' artillery just gives you that piece.

>>150172204
She's just a giga-tsun.

>>150163505
Jannu was actually an isekai protagonist.

>>150172457
So what, she fucked up the theologians by being either recursively wrong like some of the trolls on /b/ or by tipping her fedora using arguments honed over the course of 600 extra years?

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>>150172418
She is a gigantic tryhard tsundere edgelord, and I fucking ove her for it.

>>150172703
Why is she so tryhard anyway
I feel like she's even bigger a tryhard than Dantes.

>>150172179
Artillery in pre modern army will be even better since its always a combined force army.

>>150172703
Well you too would be like this if you were burnt on the stake.

Then again, Alter Janne isn't evil. Just ubertsun.

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>>150172703

>>150172796
What I'm saying is that unlike every other type of commander, exceptional artillery commanders literally need to be supported by capable infantry and cavalry commanders or else they're worse than useless, they're just giving the enemy free cannon.
On the flipside, an exceptional infantry commanders merely need not completely retarded artillery that will fire into his own men.

>>150172917
>Cute Fang

YES

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>>150172917
They're all amazing. Jannu is a miracle of the universe.

>>150173001
>need to be supported by capable infantry and cavalry commanders
You are thinking modern.
And even in modern, commanders have some form of mixed force. So they will have a majority of troops of a type, and a minority of something else.

Pre modern "being a good commander" means more. Because there is a larger mix of arms types, weapons, formations and troops.

A pre modern Good Artillery Commander won't be some hack who can only shoot its own men.
A modern one can get away with it and still be good, due "lol, its the other guys men, its fine"

>>150173280
>Pre modern "being a good commander" means more. Because there is a larger mix of arms types, weapons, formations and troops.
I was presuming you meant specifically a sub-commander just for artillery, which existed depending on your nation. Europe had piss-poor army organization at the time so they lacked specific commanders to the extent that the Chinese, Mongols and Romans had it.
Either way then your original statement doesn't make sense. There's no such thing as a 'good artillery commander' being worth more than a 'good infantry commander'. If he commands both then what's required is how well he synergizes and his skill in the usage of both. Napoleon wasn't a 'good artillery commander', he was a good commander period who understood how to use the strengths of artillery to his advantage.

>thousands dead people because of someone's delusions
She had schizophrenia you know?

>>150173436
>t. Britbong

Who knows?
It's like how I question the fact that frog girls burn well?

>>150173436
>thousands people dead
The number of people killed is honestly not relevant whether it's one or one million, since they're at war. It doesn't even matter if the war was justified or if she was insane.
All you should care about when judging her role in the war is her performance and the effects of her performance. In this case, bong, you got blown the fuck out.
Also
>learned theologians can't outsmart a girl who can't even fucking read and probably had her greatest exposure to the Bible during mass and under a preacher
>they're made to look like goddamn idiots and possible heretics themselves for unreasonably accusing someone of being the devil
>they get her for crossdressing which isn't even a theological issue and burn her at the stake for it despite that not even making sense

>>150173563
Humans burn really well even though we have a lot of water in us, since fire is really goddamn hot and flesh (esp. fat underneath) will ignite readily with some exposure to flames. After that it's just the Burning Man.

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>>150173618
Burning Man, you say?

>>150173618
>bong
Who?
>The number of people killed is honestly not relevant whether it's one or one million,
so edgy

>>150173843
>so edgy
>le Cannae or Chibi was the work of a meanie and shouldn't be admired because people died meme :(((((((((

>>150172761
Because she has a huge inferiority complex over being a faker.

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Why is Jeanne so lewd?

>>150163505
Figurheads and martyrs are powerful things, especially when even the commanders under her believe it.

>>150173955
She died when she was how old 16? 18? She was confirmed a virgin by English who wanted to get her for extramarital sex, but she slept in an army camp with thousands of sweaty ripped men.
She's REALLY backed up.

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>>150163505
Why is Jeanne Alter drawn with thicker proportions than her normal counterpart more often than not? I'm not complaining but still.

>>150174141
Presumably because she wants to show off the goods because she's a tryhard trying desperately to convince everyone, most of all herself, that she's a really bad girl. So basically she went on whatever the female equivalent of /fit/ is and asked how to make herself have bigger tits.

>>150174141
Because Caster had a hand in making her; she's his goddamn fanfiction version of the actual Jeanne with some angst-induced evil tossed in.
We should be happy she doesn't have wings or rainbow colored hair in honesty.

>>150174020
And then Apocrypha happened.

>>150174264
Isn't Gilles legitimately solid as hell as a Saber?

>>150174020
Didn't several of her sub-commanders comment on how they felt no sexual desire towards her even though she usually slept near them?

>>150174348
Well, we don't really know if that's true, but they did say that, but also in the same breath noted that while she wasn't a knockout she was definitely pretty and had nice titties.
Basically, she must've been legit something else, one of those actual geniuses or charisma monsters you see in history sometimes.

>>150174348
Don't reply to britbongs dude

>>150174391
How are you getting me being a britbong from that post, if I were an assmad brit I'd say she slept with everyone in the camp as their cocksleeve

>>150174141

To tempt young, innocent Christian men to sin.

Jesus Alter when

It would literally be Drifters but it would be great.

>>150174141
If you were to whip your cock out and put it on her face, would she actually react beyond stammering? Like, whether or not she reacts by cutting it off, would she react period?

>>150174659
>Jesus Alter
That doesn't even make sense, it's like saying Angra Mazda Alter when

>>150163505
The best way to describe Jeanne would be to call her YHWH's "side bitch."

>>150174731
Isn't JAlter literally an antitheist at this point? Let alone worshipping god or even tipping her fedora she basically treats god as the devil.

>>150163505
I mean, I know this is /a/ but you can't seriously be this dense. Really, The Saint Spirit left by Jesus is pretty much everywhere and they may manifest themselves when something extremely important needs to happen.
Get some facts ok? Seriously, and this is coming from someone who likes Fate and Jean (Ruler, not Alter though she is kind of cute) yet has the mind open enough to know that real life is different than fiction, otherwise I may be another of those people who insists that anime, manga, videogames, comics and stuff are evil.
Either way, Jean is based. Both rl and Fate

>>150174799
I meant in life, since she was a prophet but didn't really do any prophet stuff like the classical Jewish prophets.

>>150168139
Is that pic legit?

>>150174855
No, it's not. An artist draw them and then take a picture of his screen to make it looks like this.

>>150174855
I wish

>>150174922
No it's not, it's obviously an edit of CP.

>>150174922
>>150174951
dammit. I would have loved to see a new Carnival Phantasm OVA

>>150168139
>why aren't you laying me literally right now Cu

>>150174980

There's like 3 new Fate animations planned though. In between GO, Extra and HF I can't really beg for CP.

>>150175045
>GO
GO is getting an anime? What the fuck?
Will it use Gudako? Gudao is literally shit tier, we need more Riyo's Gudako.

>>150175157
Gudao will be used and they even gave him a name. Guess they decided fans love Rin so much, it's better to give them a genderbent Rin

>>150175157
>GO is getting an anime?
It's one OVA

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>>150175186
>>150175213
MY ANGER IS GREATER THAN YOURS

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>>150175157
I want to impregnate Gudako.

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>>150175312
No problem
10 000 quartz on the table first.

>>150175356
>Dat Junko face
Super lewd

>>150163505
>even after her death, each and every one of them credits her with the victory of 100 years' war
Jeanne had motivation, what France lacked at that time. That's the trick, she actually wanted to win the war and convinced others to move and try hard like her.

>>150164425
>so she wasn't charged for witchcraft but crossdressing.
This and challenging the authority of the church. Talking with God directly is a bad thing for them.

>>150176612
Well, Jesus is theologically guarenteed the last prophet. I'm not sure you can't recieve revelations though, otherwise how are people like Teresa saints?

>>150176701
Muhammad is the last prophet

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>>150176972
Muhammad is Gudako's sundae server bitch

>>150176972
Durka pedos aren't prophets.

>>150176612
>Talking with God directly is a bad thing for them.
She never did directly to God. It was angel and saints who told her what to do.

>>150172703
I still laugh at the guys in that say Jalter has no feelings for the MC and she is not a tsundere.

>>150177551
You got proof of that? Love for you?

I want to believe.

>>150163505

She was uneducated but smarter than fuck

Before she ever became the Maid of Orleans, she defended herself in court with no consul against a guy who claimed she had broken a non-existant engagement with him and fucking humiliated his dumb ass

If you ever want to see a great display of sass and decorum at the same time I reccomend reading the transcipts of her trial in England. It's a riot.

>>150177431
Anyway, not via church.

>>150177657
http://pastebin.com/tZ7CEAGH
Her bond lines.

>>150166380

You can be schizo and still have your wits about

>>150167798

Jeanne herself jumped out a window tweve stories up into a dry moat and broke both her legs trying to escape because she was just that much of a fucking iron ass.

Anime officially so fucking horrible now the board is shilling a mobage for Sony again instead

>>150177772
>she defended herself in court with no consul against a guy who claimed she had broken a non-existant engagement with him and fucking humiliated his dumb ass

>>150178975
>Jeanne herself jumped out a window tweve stories up into a dry moat and broke both her legs trying to escape because she was just that much of a fucking iron ass.

BEST WAIFU

>>150164137
Why do French always try to pull this excuse when people acknowledge that they're pussies?

>>150168253
please I don't wanna fap

>>150174386

>Jeanne sat for a portrait once in her life

>Butthurt French peasants burned it during their revolution

FUCK ALL THE FRENCH EXCEPT JEANNE

I'd complain about how she represented someone betrayed by the French aristocracy but they were probably too uneducated to know who it was of and were just burning expensive looking shit.

>>150179102

Jeanne's ridiculous. Her life story reads like a fucking mythological hero except she really existed. Schizo or not, that's fucking cool.

>>150174348
They claimed that they were all attracted to her but never even dreamed of touching her because it would be heresy or something.

>>150179181
Maybe because if you bothered to actually look at the history of Europe, France was the giant of Europe from Charles the Hammer right up to William (a Frenchman), then was the giant of Europe again from 1400 to basically Prussia.

>>150179696
>Jannu was a rl otome mc
Reality is weird

>>150179769
>>150179494
>>150179692
Jannu died because God realized he really fucked up this time and she's too unbalanced so he summoned her back.

>>150179853

There's a story that a white dove flew out of the ashes where Jeanne burned but it's obviously horseshit, I don't think it showed up until hundreds of years later.

>>150179933
Well, it wouldn't quite be ashes. There would be bones.

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>>150179853
>My fair maiden of Orleans, you have done exemplary work in my name and in so doing ensured the birth of a kingdom. But I've begun to believe that I may have balanced various statistics in your creation incorrectly, thus I must rebalance you.

>To begin your precognition shall proc at a 25% lesser rate
>I shall reduce your HP by no more than 900 and no less than 1000 points.
>Finally, in order to enact certain other changes, I shall be reducing the sanity of several of your followers. I believe this will represent a more interesting endgame.

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By the way Jeanne Alter Santa Lily is the event servant for this Christmas. Please look forward to many loli Jeannes.

>>150179181
Because you should open a history book and read about France ?

>>150180111
She is just Jeanne Alter who took the Elixir of Youth from Gil

Is there like a pastebin or something for how the fuck you get into GO? I'm tired of missing out on all the new Fate memes.

>>150180278
Why would I read about French history instead of the history of a more important country?

>>150180452
How would you know how important a country is without reading its history?

>>150163505
she's basicaly a cheerleader

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>>150163505
>Be La Hier
>attack 4 times greater English army and decisively win battle of Patay
>Your victory is credited to some literally who that wasn't even there

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>>150180400
I'm fine with it. The more servants that have Alter in their name the better. There's literally zero bad Alters.

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>>150163505
>>even after her death, each and every one of them credits her with the victory of 100 years' war
No?

>>150167406
Do modern Frenchmen really try to take credit for Norman accomplishments? Sad desu

>>150180452
France is literally the most important European country in every metric up to the 19th century.

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>>150181032
No?

But they were still frencmen that's history.

>>150179853
English be like "Jeanne too OP, pls nerf".

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>>150167351
Voltaire only did that to be edgy.

He was a master shitposter, look at that face.

>>150179961
They burned her three times in a row just to be sure, before throwing the ashes in the Seine.

>>150179494
>but they were probably too uneducated
Dont underestimate the common knowledge.

>>150181032
Normans are are part of the French superculture, that's the problem. They're vikings, but they're heavily influenced by French culture to the point we generally consider the Norman Culture to be a variant of French, not a variant of Norse.
I mean, you're not seriously implying that the English (people) were Norman at the time? They were a mix of celts, germans, are a little latin. They were basically 100% NOT Norman, William and Richard famously barely even went to England during their reign.
Modern Frenchmen can't take credit for anything outside of their own lives. Pierre the Banker is not Louis XIV. Charles the Salaryman is not Cardinal Richelieu.

>>150169590
>the second are 2000 years late to the party and probably not even the same peoples that once called themselves Greeks.
That's huge bullshit that you probably read on 4chan.

>>150180721

>look mom I memed

>>150181252
2000 years is a very long time. The mere fact that there really were not a fucking lot of people in Hellene Greece means that a relatively small number of Latins, Antalonians, Turks, Germans, etc. staying there over their successive invasions will almost certainly change the gene pool.

>>150181212
>They're vikings
No, just a few Danes a few centuries ago settled in France by overthrowing the local noble then swore fealty to the french king then dressed french, spoke french, had a french bishop. 100% Norman, 0% Dane.

>>150181300
Yeah but you know what? Genealogists proved you're spouting bullshit.
I dont want to research it to prove you wrong.

>>150181212
>I mean, you're not seriously implying that the English (people) were Norman at the time?
No? I'm talking about this
>William and following kings were Frenchmen

>>150181194

Well then should I bitch about that too?

Because FUCK, you FUCKING RETARDS.

>>150166380
Well the Christian God always love making the random nobody do impossible tasks in a "just watch me" kind of way.

>>150181157

That seems excessive, goddamn

English have no chill

>>150181316
>no, just a few danes
>Rollo (c. 846 – c. 930) was a Viking who became the first ruler of Normandy, a region of France. He is sometimes called the 1st Duke of Normandy. Rollo emerged as the outstanding personality among the Norsemen who had secured a permanent foothold on Frankish soil in the valley of the lower Seine. Charles the Simple, the king of West Francia, ceded them lands between the mouth of the Seine and what is now the city of Rouen in exchange for Rollo agreeing to end his brigandage, and provide the Franks with protection against future Viking raids.
This is William the Conqueror's 5th generation ancestor. Rollo was a viking in the literal burning villages and raping wenches sense, not the 'trader' sense.

>>150181353
Normans are considered part of the French culture group the same way Alemanii is considered part of the German culture group.

>>150181353
But then nobody was French. Do you understand that the actual ethnic Franks were no more than 10,000 when they claimed Gaul? France hasn't ever been an ethnic state, it's always been a conglomerate of different(mostly Latin, some Celtic, some Germanic) subgroups that conform to a larger overarching culture.

>>150181503
One of the benefits of the aftermath of the 100 Year War, and one of the things that some people credit Jeanne d'Arc for, was the creation of a national identity of "France" itself. Before that point you could call them a confederation of states, factions and powers rather than a nation.

>>150181656
>Before that point you could call them a confederation of states, factions and powers rather than a nation.
Nah mate, nah. Nobles were very powerful, but the power of the king was pretty well established and his nobles weren't running around doing their own thing like the princes of the HRE were. By the time of Philippe Auguste (two centuries prior to the HYW) the authority of the French king had been pretty solidly established.


The HYW did a lot to further this trend though (if I'm not mistaken because a lot of nobles who sided with the English were robbed of their land to the benefit of the king, but don't quote me on that).

>>150176701
Christians don't consider Jesus as a prophet though, they think he's God himself. And in Islam, Jesus is a prophet, but not the last one.

In Fateverse isn't it pretty heavily implied that it was the counter force talking to Jeanne?

>>150172703
So what's JD Alter Lily's class?

>>150181729
I imagine that he's referring to national identity in the form of having the basic gist of a 'nation state' down, as opposed to 'the king's land'.

>>150181889
Lancer.

>>150163505
>became a French commander all of a sudden
Is it really hard to do this?

>>150181918
Oh man.

Hoping nothing bad happens to her.

E-Rank Luck sucks.

>>150181917
I see, in that case that makes sense.

>>150181934
Prior to the Revolution? It's pretty hard if you're not of noble blood. Especially if you're not only a peasant but a woman and illiterate too.

>>150181934

If you're a 16-year-old peasant girl in 15th century France

Yes

>>150181934
When you're a 17 years old female peasant in the XVth century? Yes.

>>150181934
Not really that hard. Ask the germans, they had command on the whole country without even trying.

>>150181729
Before, if you lived in Orleans you were a subject of Orleans. Your leaders bowed to a King who might be of France, but you were not "French". That changed, as was beginning to be the case in a lot of other countries. Now you're French, people in Reims are French.

>>150181977
We already know one of her skills is a heal of some kind, and her overall stats are kind of low.

>>150181934
17 years old, no military background, 0 real prestige besides claiming to hear the voice of the angels and the court case against her ''''suitor'''', not at all noble, a fucking girl (female commanders were literally fucking what tier if they weren't just defending their husband's castle in his abscence), can't even fucking read or write.

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I want to anoint Jeanne's jeannes with my jizm chrism.

>>150182126
DO NOT SEXUALIZE THE SAINT.

>>150181934
For a french to be commanding their own army is quite a feat, if you ask me.

>>150182067
>heal
>low stats

GUARD YOUR LOLI.

GUARD HER AS IF SHE WERE YER 3RD EYE.

>>150182148
She sexualizes herself.

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>>150182126
Jeanne spent her career as an internet streamer begging God to let her stream in a micro bikini for more views.

>>150182165
My preparations have already begun.

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>>150182148
The saint's body is 100% for lewd acts.

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Is it such a crime that I want the alters to pin me, violate my entire body and mindbreak me through repeated prostate orgasms?

>>150164930
>>150164425
Wasn't she raped a lot?

>>150182275
>>150182126
>in bikini
>still keeps the headpiece
My autism is triggered

>>150182275
Are you man enough to defy God's will to commit lewd acts with that saint?

>>150182298
I've noticed something
>Seiba Lancer Alter - cowtits
>Jeanne Lancer Alter - DFC
What the fucking fuck

>>150182326
She died a virgin.

>>150182342
It's Jeanne Alter Santa Lily.
The lily is operative.

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>>150182359
Not a surprise. At face value, would you want to fuck this?

>>150182326
She was confirmed virgin by the English

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Is this Jeanne?

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What do "saints" do for fun?

>>150182342
>>Seiba Lancer Alter - cowtits
Because she choosed to use Rhongomyniad over Excalibur and thus aged normaly, yes Saber would've been a cowtits monster if not for Excalibur.

>>Jeanne Lancer Alter - DFC
It's just Jeanne Alter with the Elixir of Youth

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>>150182342
Jeanne paizuri is worth purgatory.

>>150182454
Pray God, hear mass, confess, kick English butts.

>>150182454
Engage in autistic wars for extended period of times, learn nothing about it, engage in more pointless wars which they end up losing.

>>150182408

Wasn't drawn until after her death by someone who never saw her

>>150182672
And it's still quite good considering how poorly they drew at that time.

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>>150182454
The usual.

>>150168097
But USA was the biggest deciding factor in defeating WW2

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>>150182432

>some punk samurai kid who got killed in his first battle
>criticizing Joan of Arc as being someone with obviously "no battle experience" despite waging and winning a campaign featuring "miraculous" battles the French weren't supposed to win

Hirano is a funny guy

Also Gilles was very cool being an unstoppable berserk

>>150181465
Yes that's what i said, they werent vikings in the 11th century but frenchmen

>>150182813
>Jeanne d'Arc
>experience in hand-to-hand combat
What?

>Sekigahara battle
>Toyohisa's first battle
What?

>>150181358
Blame the monarchy for being a retarded system.

>>150182716
The French didn't learn how to paint until 1600 or so
The English never learned how

>>150182716
>>150182969
Burgers stop talking about Europe

>>150181358
People were just too mad at retarded kings to care about someone's portrait.

>>150169462

That reminds me, I really should finish Bladestorm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHYHjbGvlqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmSpQpH1wvc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CkiVK-RYyY

>>150183048
Im pretty sure they destroyed it because it was related to the Kings.

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>>150163505
>mark twain was so obsessed with her he spent years writing what was basically historical fan fiction
Does that make her the first recorded waifu in history as well? Does that mean twain would have shitposted with us here instead had he been born in our time

>>150182995
How am I wrong? Every innovation in painting was led by the Italians and the Dutch until midway through the Baroque period. Any good French painters before then were educated in Italy.

>>150183134

Pygmillion
And yes

>>150182126
Sorry, that privilege is for dragon homunculi only.

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>>150182871
>The entire revolution could've been avoided if Louis XVI didn't ask the Austrian emperor to invade his own country

>>150174348

They Daughteru'd her, because unlike us, they actually believed, or began to believe, that God really sent her.

>>150182813
That tripped me out too. She literally single handedly saved a country and this fool is claiming she has no battle experience when she likely has more than him.

>>150183531
Jeanne was famous for never having personally killed someone though. The closest thing she has to real combat experience (as in hand-to-hand experience) is being hit in the chest with an arrow. Either that, or using the legendary sword of Charles Martel to hit a prostitute so hard it broke.

>>150183098
>Joan of Arc
>related to the Kings
Charles literally abandoned her and the war was fought between the French and the Perfidious Albion, who were also kings.

>>150182813
>criticizing Joan of Arc as being someone with obviously "no battle experience"
You're probably retard because Joan never got into hand to hand combat, unlike that Nippon kid

>>150183903
Battles are not the same as fights in the same way wars aren't battles.

>>150183722
Related to monarchy, the institution you dumb cunt.
>>150183502
It could have be avoided if Louis XV and hired XVI hired economy geniuses that would have saved the royal finances without killing peasants under taxes but the kingdom was bound to have some nasty shit happen to it, it was ridden with constant peasant revolts, 1789 started as a very big and special peasant revolt and luckily it turned into the Revolution as we know it instead of total collapse of the country.

>>150183932
she neither had any battle experience, being glorified cheerleader doesn't grand it to you

>>150184108
You have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>150183948
It's true that the economy played a major role in the 1789 storming of the Bastille, but the thing is that the 1789 Revolution wasn't anti-monarchial at all. In fact, in a way it actually benefited the monarch as it gravely reduced the power of the nobility (in favor of the bourgeois). The problem is that parliament kept blocking his plans. And what better way to get rid of a dissenting parliament than to get your foreign uncle and his army to wreck their shit and return everything to the pre-Bastille situation? That's why the king ended up under the guillotine, not because of a bunch of hungry peasants but because he was a literal traitor.

And to add even more shit to this already disgusting pile, after the whole revolution was over the Bourbons were given THREE more chances to fix everything (Restoration, July Monarchy and Comte de Chambord) and they messed up all three times. That's more than enough of an argument to be a Republican (or at the very least a Bonapartist): after Louis XIV every single king of France was a fucking retard.

>>150184161
good thing you have

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>>150184108

>glorified cheerleader
>>/his/

>>150184233
Yep.

>>150184205
The Revolution itself failed at the time, since you got Reign of Terror bullshit and got a fucking Emperor instead of just a King.

>>150184205
Good thing i closed my explanation at 1789 and didnt expand beyond that because that's not relevant here.

Not gonna read the rest

>>150184275
>The Revolution itself failed at the time
Stop reading anglo propaganda

>>150184318
>propaganda
>Reign of Terror is propaganda
Wew

>>150184340
>Missing the point
Double wew

>>150184263
I'm so happy there are now more Jeannes to step on me. I was kind of worried my luck wouldn't hold out if I had to roll for her.

>>150184318
I mean, they succeeded in removing the former government but failed to create a successful state in the aftermath. In the end

>>150184376
The revolution failed because it resulted in RoT and Napoleon the Emperor.

>>150184482
>The revolution was about overthrowing the monarch
>Napoleon's popular monarchy was incompatible with it

>>150183134
I read Twain's book on her. All of the critics hated it because it was nothing like any of his other books, but Twain himself thought of it as the best thing he ever wrote.

I'm in agreement with Twain personally.

>>150184263
>>150181294
She was effectively the mascot of the army. Deal with it.

>>150183604

She never killed anyone but she saw battle plenty of times. She was only captured because she insisted on being the last person to leave the battlefield, and she was holding a slain Burgundian's sword at the time, too.

>>150184583
>I'm in agreement with Twain personally.

This

He decides to right something a little more serious and all of America got butthurt

>>150184590

I'll bet you read a Cracked article and think you know all about her now, huh?

You're adorable.

History doesn't support your shitty cheerleader meme. Deal with it.

>>150184563
>>150184376
>The revolution wasnt about actual democracy or freedom
>it was just about peasants being asshurt

dindu nuffin

>>150184790
you're sure showed that guy with your witty response, I bet you took gender studies and think you now know everything

>>150184833

Read a fucking book

>>150184882
which one exactly?

>>150174309
Not so much solid as normally specced to be in that class.

As a Caster, the entirety of his magical repertoire is tied to the book of Prelati. Cut the book and he's a random mook-tier servant, which is a bloody disgrace for anyone pretending to be a mage. Simply casting a spell requires his Noble Phantasm.

Medea, for instance, can throw out insane spells at an outstanding rate with little focus and no items, a feat Gilles can't hope to match.

>>150175312
She'll be the one to impregnate you and you'll like it.

>>150184790
>her leadership and military acumen resulted in the french army's victories and sucess
bait.jpg

>>150184946

Pick one on Joan of Arc. Any of them.

Go to your university library and ask for books on the subject.

And read her trial transcripts.

>>150182342

God made her lewd to begin with.

And man was commanded to be fruitful.

>>150182454

Hitting whores with the flat of your blade for talking to senpai.

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>>150184790
>so good so skillful
>first battle without anyone to hold her hand
>ambushed and captured

>>150185175
She was captured leading the rearguard after an extra 8k burgundians showed up and was physically pulled off her horse.

>>150183134

Probably, and yes.

>>150184108
More than a cheer leader mate.

She had irl precog and was a military genius.

France would have done much better if they just listened to her and marched on Paris instead of trying to negotiate a truce

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>>150174855
How can people be this retarded?

>>150185103
>read her trial transcripts.

Can't find them on Wikipedia

>>150185278
Probably got raped by at least a few thousand of them

>>150185432

For gods sake son, try using google.

>>150185278
maybe it wasn't that smart to go around trying to beat burgundians when you are outnumbered? Her arrival to Compiegne was a disaster, not only her loss costed French great moral boost, they won easily without her

>>150185464
Nope, because the English would've nailed her for extramarital sex because the burgundians would just say 'no we didn't rape her she must've fucked someone beforehand'.

>>150185464

Confirmed intact hymen at her trial afterwards by people who wanted to condemn her for sleeping around.

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>>150185497
>>150185501
why English or burgundians didn't rape her?

Guys
What if
Jeanne only did blowjobs and anal

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Does Jeanne Alter like crossdressers?

>>150185501
>>150185497
One of us.

Anime and history are meant to go together. We should have this kind of threads more often

>>150185464
She mentioned in the trial that she was scared of being raped meaning that she hadn't been yet and and she never brought it up again so it's probably safe to say they didn't or else she would've said something else.

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>>150185583
1. Code of Chivalry, it'd have looked really bad to everyone else and the English were suffering a pretty shit reputation at that time, they really couldn't afford to lose too much more or risk shit like excommunication.
2. Might've been god-fearing to an extent, like 'shit what if she's actually hearing the voice of angels'. Much of the reason they wanted to make her a heretic is because that would imply Charles took his throne by dealing with a servant of the Devil, thus basically making their own, 'christian' claim 100 times more legit.
3. Because it would've been extremely rude

>>150185690
CUTE CUTE CUTE CUTE

>>150185690
>after the first rape you're not scared of rapes

>>150185583

Because while rape was common in that sort of situation, it wasn't as 100% certain as your doujins would have to believe.

Also, while she wasn't a noble, she was certainly a very important prisoner, mishandling her would be poor form.

One guy did try to rape her in prison in England but got tossed out, and she went back to wearing men's clothes to dissuade any others.

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>>150185637
Of course. They are French together. Astolfo is openly friendly enough to press through her exterior and then fuck her in the ass.

>>150163505
She lead important campaigns and, even if she didn't fight herself, the symbol that she was motivated the victory.

>>150185734
More like she would've flat out said 'they fucking raped me you assholes, how could you possibly be accusing me of heresy when your own men are sinners spitting in the face of the Bible'

>>150183932
Miyamoto Musashi would disagree with you.

>>150185501

It's kind of a fucking miracle it didn't tear during all that horseback riding, innit?

>>150185761
I thought she might hate them because she was burned for crossdressing.

>>150185741
>One guy did try to rape her in prison in England but got tossed out, and she went back to wearing men's clothes to dissuade any others.
PERFIDIOUS

>>150185804
And he's a fucking idiot. Sun Tzu is a bigger authority on warfare, people like Hannibal or Bai Qi are bigger authorities on battle. Your men can't be literal shit at fighting to win battles but tactics are pretty seperate from fighting prowess, and wars are often not won by battles at all - Hannibal won literally every battle up to Zama but lost the war anyway.

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when?
She's my favorite.

>>150185879
If I were her I'd probably just think the English are kind of pathetic for finding that flimsy of an excuse.

>>150185986
Olga was fucking amazing and fucking insane at the same time.

>>150185885
>Hannibal won literally every battle up to Zama but lost the war anyway
He won every battle and lost war because he fought only meaningless battles wouldn't dare to fight any strategically important one, like for example sacking Rome, because he knew he would lose

>>150186017
Thats why I love her. Best girl ever.

>>150185761
>>150185595
>>150185583
>>150185494
>>150185464
>>150185175

Jeanne was PURE, incomparably BEAUTIFUL, and a brilliant tactician!

I would sacrifice you to Barron if I ever saw you in person speaking this way about my Jeanne.

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>>150163505
La Hire when? She needs to accompany Jeanne.

>>150186136
What would be his class? I vote for berserker, just because his nickname means "The Anger".

>>150186047
>Lake and River battle
>meaningless
>Campinian Plains
>meaningless
>Cannae
>meaningless
>literally cleared out half the Senate and destroyed Rome's manpower reserves to the point that any strategy besides the Fabian one would've made Rome crumble in another lost battle or two
Hannibal's strategy was to fracture the bonds between Rome and her allies. He lost the war because he didn't meet up with his brother's reinforcements, and because Carthage simply did not have the means to finance a long-period war with large reinforcements, and because the Roman allies did not defect in the numbers he expected.
Thus, battles are not wars, but neither is fighting battle. Even without strategy, the Gauls lost to Romans not because they were weaker or worse at fighting but because they didn't use formations as effectively and lacked the discipline and drill.

Sacking Rome isn't 'strategically important', it's nigh impossible. That's like saying 'dude why didn't people just assault Constantinople' instead of trying to siege it, you don't do that.

>>150186195
Maybe Berserker.

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>>150185879
Not Astolfo's fault. And the time she actually met one of the people who were responsible she wasn't very hung up on the particulars of the charges.

>>150186216
Or Saber. Or even Rider.

These cowtits need a milking.

>>150186136

>"Fair Sir God, I pray you to do by La Hire as he would do by you if you were La Hire and he were God."

I know it's just Twain's fanfiction but still

The final judgement is the definition of bullshit. They made her swear to wear woman's clothing, but the guard only allowed her to wear man's clothing. Therefore they marked her as relapsed - only a relapsed sinner could be executed under inquisition law.

>>150186532

How do you get to that point and still think you're in the service of god?

This is a woman who's performed borderline miracles, claims to have spoken with god, has perfectly on-point theology despite no schooling, and loves god more than anything else in life

>lol better burn her

>>150186136
La Hire was fucking amazing
I still remember the first time I saw him was in AoE II
>20 motherfucking attack