Was killing her really necessary at that point? Or were her wounds

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>>150121255
StasiSubs?

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>>150121255
She got all kinds of fucked up there, dude. She was a goner.

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>>150121541
Looks like flesh wounds to me. Was this scene anime only? Can't seem to locate the game CG.

meh, alternative was better than this shit.

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>>150121741
Yes it was anime original. And yeah she was probably dying anyway. What was actually unnecessary was the shield bash in the first place, she was already disabled, but its not the only fucked up and nonsensical part of the anime.

>>150121741
She gets an ass shot in her suit instead.

>>150121902
He means Kirke's ass.

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>>150121741

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>>150121741
>>150121902
Located the CG, the scene happened outside their TSFs.

>>150121935
God damn, Kirke has a fat ass.

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>>150121935

>>150121741
>>150121935
>>150121910
>>150121927
From the Jap comments, Kirke's ass was anime original that was then made canon in the VN.

>>150121255
She was probably going to suffer for a few more minutes and choke on her own blood or something. He made the right call I guess.

>>150121433
Did someone actually sub the show, I don't remember.

>>150121935
DAT ASS UNF!

>>150122031
Commie

>>150122056
I thought all they mostly do is edit cruchyroll subs.

>>150121938
If you mean the Lise execution scene in the VN, yeah it was pretty different.

>>150121938
That's Inghild, not Lise.

>>150121938
This isn't even half as bad as Pham's scene.

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>>150122094
Yes, they do it so they can do this. I unironically DL'd theirs because I thought it would be funny.

>>150122169
I get it but Pham's death was instant, Inghild lingered in pain for quite a while.

>>150122176
Didn't they do TE too?

>>150122166
Aw shit, you're right. I don't even remember this character.

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>>150122215

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>>150122235
She's like a mini-Pham. I wish she stayed around longer.

>>150122256
I think I liked SM's TSF animations better.

>>150122195
Inghild passed out and suffered major brain injuries. She wasn't really aware of anything after Grappler-kun.

The worst, most painful deaths in SM will always be Vivi and Beatrix.

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>>150121935

>>150122372
Don't think Beatrix death was that painful. She dies pretty quick and her body would probably fall into shock and wouldn't feel that much.

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>>150121255
No it wasn't necessary. None of it was necessary. Saving Lise's life and getting out of East Germany was necessary.

>>150122543
That ass.

I would go to war for that ass.

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So many Kirke ass shots all of a sudden, not that I'm complaining.

>>150122590
The LN describes Beatrix as sounding like she's in exceptional, horrific pain that she should have passed out from.

The VN and anime don't really contradict this either.

>>150122599
>>150122543
The only complaint I'd have is why she and Katia were the only ones with fan service shots? It's like Watanabe wanted to piss people off.

Besides, when you look at Kirke's design, you don't think "fanservice" character.

>>150122691
no it doesn't. stop making shit up.

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>>150122691
Should've been insta-kill but I guess plot demands a final speech/last words or it'll look more anti-climactic.

>>150122782
It makes slightly more sense in the LN since she was immobilized and lying on the ground when Theo stabbed her.

If Beatrix somehow miraculously didn't die from Theo entering her initially, hitting the ground with his huge rod wedged firmly in her would have.

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>>150122303
She was Pham before Theo knew Pham. Remember her, treasure her.

Theo certainly did.

>>150123030
Probably cause she looked like his imouto.

>>150123030
Theodor is kinda shredded. Why didn't he try harder to romance the captain with those pecs?

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>>150123141
who would win in a fistfight?

>>150123141
As a TSF pilot, you kind of have to be in great shape, and have to be a good fighter inside or outside of a TSF.

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>>150123186
Yuuya "Fuck Yeah America" Bridges.

>>150123186
Takeru. It's been established that with the way TSFs are designed (from space exosuits that mimic your body movements) that your skill inside of a TSF would translate to fighting skill outside of it.

It's why Lise, Master, Christopher, and Sandek are so operator.

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Okay, I just need to say this. Annett is the worst character in this show. Fucking useless stupid bitch that effectively caused the deaths of three characters.

>>150123364
Annet is canonically pretty dumb. She was the only 666th member who never picked up on the whole rebellion thing until after she was captured, and dragged Inghilde (who was kind, passive, and meek) into the military because she thought it would be fun.

>>150123364
I hate Axmann the most, the smug asshole didn't get a painful enough end.

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>>150121255
>Not that I'm attached to the character in question
Well screw you too, she's been through hell she don't need your approval.

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>>150123486
Axmann was smug till the end. We're expected to hate Axmann because that's his role, but Annet is different. I can't remember the last time I was this pissed off at a sub-character from the MC's team. Couldn't even enjoy the final scenes watching this.

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>>150123614
Well, not always so smug.

>>150122756
The LN said that it was obvious to Theo that she was dying in her cockpit. If anything, the anime was ironically more accurate with keeping her voice sounding "husky" with sharp, deep breathing after penetration.

>>150123614
I don't dislike or blame Annett for anything she might have indirectly caused. It's not her fault, she seems like a "victim" kind of character to me who needs support from other characters but can also share in their pain too.

I thought she'd die shortly after Inghild but ironically she doesn't.

>>150123758
Look at this perfect example, why the fuck would you pass the gun to your comrade rather than shoot the fucker right then and there?
>>150123364

>>150123758
She, Kirke, and Gretel survive all three routes.
Iris and Katia survive two.
Pham, Lise, and Sylwia only survive only one.
Walther, Farka, and Beatrix die no matter what.

>>150123829
The writer is a hack and wants to kill all your waifus.

But seriously, Irisdina has better range and accuracy of hitting him anyway with a weapon like that. Axmann was probably moving like a baboon and I bet you Annett would have missed and shot Irisdina in the leg or something.

>>150123758
Annett deserves hugs.

>>150123940
Fair enough, she would probably be inaccurate as fuck even though she belongs to the strongest TSF squad.

>>150123955
Hugs from BETAs, yes.

There are many opportunity to rehab his sister from the brainwash but he choice unwise decision. .

>>150123995
>Fair enough, she would probably be inaccurate as fuck even though she belongs to the strongest TSF squad.
Well I don't see a contradiction if that's what you're implying. I mean wasn't Gretel a shitty pilot but they sent her out anyways?

>>150124343
Gretel was an average pilot in an exceptional unit.

>>150124370
The only reason Gretel is there is because the squad required a zampolit.

>>150121255
Most of the named kills in schwarzesmarken arent really necessary. Its like they have a rule against pows.

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>>150123053
I dunno, I see it and yet I don't. But more than looks, no, it's her demeanor that made her so impactful in his life. Both Anette and Theo were utterly devastated by her death.

>>150123141
>>150123186
Top Gun, according to six random women in Alaska!

This is the ML world. The side effect of utter devastation from alien invasion is everyone is apparently ripped.

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>>150124121
This. Every iteration of her death and the events leading to it is a senselessly painful waste. This is best Theo.

>>150124608
Kurogane is has very good stamina and is very strong. He went through basic training thousands of time. He cloud beat up gate guards without a problem and not break a sweat when running for miles while carrying a heavy machine gun he even got training from Meiya in CQC. He could probably take on Theo and Yuuya at the same time and win.

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Where in Germany would you take Irisdina on a date?

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>Two purged threads in two days
New Janitor or something?

>>150124598
Watanabe let Fuckboi live though, and didn't even imply the general purges afterwards.

>>150124645
He's still a bloody idiot though.

>>150124732
I'd ask her to show me around. I'm not familiar with Germany.

>>150124121
How could he have convinced her to help him kill Beatrix and save East Germany?

>>150124741
>Watanabe let Fuckboi live though, and didn't even imply the general purges afterwards.
What purges?

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>>150124608
>Inhild and Lise
>Long blonde hair with twintails and ribbons
>Lise was a sweet little angel that came into his life and taught him what love is. Saw through the edgy shell he developed as a defense mechanism and loved him for who he really was on the inside. Is later violently torn away from him and presumed killed, causing him to retreat back into himself
>Inghild later comes into his life as a sweet little angel that shows him unconditional compassion. Is later violently torn out of his life as well and confirmed dead, wrecking Anette and causing his downward spiral to quicken

There are similarities both in looks and demeanor if you look for them.

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>>150124741
>He's still a bloody idiot though.

>>150124876
The kill all the Stasi and collaborators purge. Seeing that it would mean between 100.000 and 1.500.000 deaths at human hands, there is a reason there are still two germanies by 2000. But we only learned of that this week.

Just like we learned that In Universe Beatrix and the Stasi are considered worse than Hitler.Even though Beatrix did nothing wrong.

>>150125074
>Just like we learned that In Universe Beatrix and the Stasi are considered worse than Hitler.

That's probably only at the beginning when things were still going OK. After shit hits the fan after few months they will start to look for people to blame. And they will blame rebels and Katia faction

>>150125074
I think they mostly went after the actual stasi and the politicians who had latched onto them. Only the biggest civilian collaborators were fucked over. Still, it's not good for reunification, as there's a crapload of angry and desperate loyalist/stasi holding out who'll now fight to the death.

It's rather ironic that it seems like the 666th and Holzer Battalion take on a role not that far from the Werewolves in suppressing anti-government dissenters.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4869182371

>>150125162
Or they could just take Suzy's view that the stasi were the ones who created the conditions that weakened East Germany and Katia's government was mostly blameless.

>>150125205
That's not how it works. They will blame someone who is still alive.

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>>150124714
Okay but reincarnating a ton of times doesn't mean you can become a Super Saiyan when it comes to fighting. He can't magically make his body surpass it's previous limits. He doesn't learn new fighting styles every single reincarnation, and even if he did, his body always resets back to the first day. If we compare pure fighting experience between the three dudes, Theo may win, as in age terms and the variety of people's they've fought, he's been fighting the longest, ever since he was an orphan. So while Takeru may reincarnate a lot, he still is fighting the same battles over and over again. Yuuya it's sort of an unknown how he would rank, but he picks up on CQC VERY quickly, and presumably his mother learned at least some fighting and sword skills from his father. He certainly also gets into fights a lot from his childhood onwards.

It's a tough call. In terms of overall time spent meleeing and experience, Takeru obviously takes the top spot - but again, same enemies, same limits, so his ceiling is much lower over the time frame of his action. If we look at it from pure adaptability and diversity of styles/opponents and actual time spent fighting and body conditioning, both Theo and Yuuya beat him easily, especially since they were born into that world.

Pham probably could beat up all of them.

>>150124878
There are, though again, differences, especially if you put Pham in the picture. But on surface I agree with the assessment.

>>150122596
>Saving used goods.

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>>150123955
Yes, yes she does!

>>150123995
NO.

Anette haters should be shot.

>>150123758
She's a good girl trying to hold the world on her shoulders.

Stasimoto is the WORST GIRL

Stasimoto deserved EVERYTHING SHE GOT

We are GLAD STASIMOTO DIED

>>150126557
>liking stupidest pilot
>being stupid

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How can she be so cute?

>>150127687
No one ever gave her a chance. Until someone finally did. More for him.

>>150123364
>. Fucking useless stupid bitch that effectively caused the deaths of three characters.
Proof?

>>150121935
West Germany superior once again

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>>150123364
She didn't mean to! She was just trying her best dammit!

Stop beating her up over it. As much as you hate her, you can't hate her as much as she hates herself.

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>>150128131
While that's objective statement to a subjective matter, you at least have merit.

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>>150121255
dirtbag got what was coming to her

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Nomenklatura girls > Aristocracy girls >Pleb girls

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>>150129315
If she gets that wet over just thoughts of those planes, how wet would she get over Yuuya, who was on the Raptor development team, and on the Shirunai MkII development team, and ends up also flying the Berkut and Black Widow?

Irisdina is a dumb whore who deserves to be raped and beaten

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>>150126786
She is one of the best you fool. She's easily one of the top melee in Europe. Assuming she lives till the present, she's easily one of the top pilots in the entire world.

>>150127687
She's in love. And always wanted to be.

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>>150124741
Fuccboi was alive before SM was even started mang.

>>150124732
To the top of the Flak Tower. We can look out on Berlin.

I was going to say the sandy beaches of Prussia.

;_;

>>150124732
Whorehouse, where she belongs.

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>>150133881
Give her some credit. After the Second Battle of Britain. She made it that far. Good girl, you did well.

That's plenty of years yet for Theo to find her passed out outside L O N D O N. He'll fix her up, and they'll get married in the end.

Anette by 2001 ends up having an interesting life, trying to juggle raising their twenty four children and being a top ace pilot in a Typhoon with her classic Type-77 blade.

>>150134038
>Anette by 2001 ends up having an interesting life, trying to juggle raising their twenty four children and being a top ace pilot in a Typhoon with her classic Type-77 blade.
Those are some big dreams you have Anon, Anette must have given you some of her drugs.

>>150129832
They're both useless whores who should be raped for weeks.
>>150123364
Why didn't this stupid bitch shoot Whoreisdina instead? No one would mourn that useless blonde cunt anyway.

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>>150134084
You're right. Thirty six children, my bad. Forgot about twins and quadruplets .

There there. Who's a good girl Annette? Yes, you are!

>>150134210
>implying that she didn't end like the slut of THAT ShindoL doujin

Axmann did literally nothing wrong. All females are useless whores and should be his slaves.

>>150134377
Nah, she turned out okay. Not Emergence girl. She is truly strong inside and out. You will one day understand.

>>150134534
Yeah whatever keep your delusion

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>>150122235

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>>150123030
So he was only indifferent in the anime? Did they really need to make Theo more of a bastard?

>>150134889
>blonde
Disgusting.

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>>150123186

>>150134927
>Did they really need to make Theo more of a bastard?
They made Theo far more heroic in the anime. Inghild was cut because Watanabe thought she wasn't important enough. Anette's PTSD also disappeared thanks to that.

>>150124598
What other deaths; Lise seemed to be the only unnecessary one.

What would it feel like to smash Irisdina's useless, small-brained head against the pavement?

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For those who haven't seen it yet. Did GK do good when he fused Stella, Pham and Bea?

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>>150134927
>Pham is Kyubey
Holy fuck I can never look at the two of them the same again.

>>150136758
>Poland is Sucy
Can she get any more based?
Wish I was a drawfag to draw Sylwia in a witch suit,

>>150127687
She's evil, greedy, terrorizing, anti-social, psychopath, crazy, sexual assault, rapist and politic. SHE IS THE ONE OF THE VILLAIN!

>>150136910
t.Theo

>>150136910
>>150136910
>She's evil, greedy, terrorizing, anti-social, psychopath, crazy, sexual assault, rapist and politic.
You only got one of those right, guess which one?

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Does this guy ever appear in Schwarzesmarken?

>>150137910
In Kirke's Ln.

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So why do the stasi seem like they're more dangerous, monstrous, and more deserving of death then the BETA? It's like Schwarzesmarken makes the statement that the single reason why the war is going so bad is because of a few bad actors like Beatrix, Schmidt, and Axmann.

>>150139265
Because they are the biggest threat to East Germans.

>>150135824
I think the real question is- would you a pham-beato-stella hybrid?

What happens if you walk up to Kurt and Anna on a date and punch Anna in the face as hard as you can for no apparent reason?

>>150141599
You get a belly full of lead.

>>150141520
Sounds like the best girl ever.

>>150143447
Doesn't sound like Lise at all.

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So if "Antenna Heroines" like Akane and Sumika were established as the next stage of humanity in "True Lies", does that make Beatrix and Katia newtypes too?

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Would beatrix be the kind of girl to hold hands in public?

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>>150143609
Any fusion would merely dilute the inherent bestness.

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>>150143954
Yes

>>150143954
Yes, but not without blushing.

>>150143954
That Beatrix looks slightly off, but I can't put my finger on how.

>>150144874
They edited her pupils.

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>>150144874
I edited the background cause it looked ugly and distracting also.
This >>150145144

>>150145604
Is there not a full view? I want to know what kind of pants she's wearing.

>>150145748
I dont think so.

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>>150145144
>>150145604
Oh yeah, I guess that makes all the difference. I also see that they edited her lips to make her look more like the Martyrs version of her.

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>>150145748
She's probably wearing a dress, like she does in BiS. If she really was wearing pants though, they'd probably either be like pic related or really tight jeans.

>>150147310
She doesn't strike me as the type to wear hotpants, otherwise I agree though.

>>150147452
I don't know. Her and Pham are probably the sluttiest SMs.

>>150148050
They're not bimbos though

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>>150148478

>>150148050
How is Pham slutty? I see her wearing a short skirt maybe, but probably not hot pants.

>>150148575
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=5&escurl=../character07_esc.html

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>>150147452
>She doesn't strike me as the type to wear hotpants

>>150149211
>implying this is canon

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>>150149582

>>150121255
Pilots being needlessly killed after their ms has been completely neutralized is an old trope.

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>>150122736
West is best.

>>150125074
>beatrix did nothing wrong
She continued to abuse and manipulate Lise. In a way, her kindness was a far greater cruelty than what Axmann did.

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>>150134927
>Pham is Kyubey

WHAT IN THE FUCK

Well shit, I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

I guess on a related note, when I was watching Pokemon XY earlier, I was irritated because I knew I had heard this voice before. Turns out Steven is also voiced by the guy who does Theo. Does he get picked a lot for older pretty boy roles or something?

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ベアトリクス誕生日おめでとう
ユルゲンとお幸せに
最終決戦のカッコよさはハンパなかったぜ

東ドイツを守るためにあなたが取った行動は間違いだとは思いません。ユルゲンとの約束を守ろうとする姿勢は素敵でした。

ベアトリクスが死なないストーリーはないかなぁ

ベアトリクス様お誕生日おめでとうございます!

今日はベアトリクスの誕生日。

おめでとうございます！
ベア様最後まで最高でしたね

ベアトリクス・ブレーメ誕生日おめでとう
エロいぞ総帥どのww

ベア様誕生日おめでとう（≧∇≦）アニメ最終回で、「不埒な反逆者共に人狼の裁きを」ってセリフで惚れた！かっこいい！もし鞭持ったら完全ドS女王様だよね(^_^;)

ベア様サイコー！(≧∀≦)

マブラヴ外伝｢シュヴァルツェスマーケン｣より
ベアトリクス･ブレーメ中佐事我等が総帥の誕生日を
心よりお祝い申し上げます

Seems like her popularity has bounced back since the anime.

>>150150892
Yes.

>>150150875
>She continued to abuse and manipulate Lise.
>In a way, her kindness was a far greater cruelty than what Axmann did.
>abuse
>kindness
Get your argument in order. And in any case, Lise's suffering was going to continue as long as she remained in the Stasi, Beatrix was the best superior she could have gotten. Or would you prefer for her to be completely brainwashed and never have gotten a chance to see Theo again?

>>150151085
Nope, everything was in order. Being slightly nicer to Lise ensured she would stay ensnared and be unable to break free of the Stasi's control.

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>>150150892
Kenichi Suzumura also voiced this dude while SM aired. I think he had a few other redhead roles too in the past.

>>150150913
Who knew the Japs loved her so much.

>>150150913
Damn, she's a qt.

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>>150151994
She's the cutest.

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>>150150913
The whole Jurgen crap really boosted her in the waifu wars.

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>>150134927
It's a little more complicated than that. He still had very negative feelings swirling around, and really was sort of contemptuous of Anette at that time, and her likewise, but timelline was, it was only very very recent.

They don't really explain this besides the LN but Inghild, Anette, and Theo are the last left of their band of friends from the TSF Academy days (hence why Katia coming onboard isn't as unjustifiable as it looks, the 666th is already well understrength). Theo and Anette are already on edge and unstable because three of them died just before SM starts. It's also the sort of seesaw you see in Theo's emotions with the world.

He didn't WANT Inghild or Anette to die after those friends died, but after getting his heart hurt so much, he basically just figured doom was coming, he would close it off to everyone, and carry the attitude of trying to live one more day. He even considered himself an already dead man at the height of his nihilism. It was either the trenches, or the camps.

It's why Anette is so lividly angry at Theo. She KNOWS he can be better, part of her rage is that it was always Inghild who stuck up for him, told everyone that he truly was a good kind hearted soul inside, and that he would always do what is right.

I dunno how this makes him more or less of a bastard. He never REALLY was one. But if it's any consolation, it's Inghild's death that finally motivates Theo to start moving in life.

>>150135824
Yes. He did wonderful.

She seems like a nice person.

>>150143719
Beatrix's are more like false antenna. They're not frontal mounted sensors, but

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>>150150982
>>150151645
Looking over the VA pages, seems there was another Pokemon credit I didn't even realize. The older Dawn clone, she's a COTD from XY, and she's voiced by Anette's. Watching again, I can't believe I missed it. She even does Anette's sort of breathy thing.

>>150150913
Even Wantanabe can't keep her down. We all knew the truth.

The question is, why is he the director of a lot of their animated stuff? Is it because he's cheap? Prior working relationship? Forced on them by ixtl?

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>>150152426
>Annett is Chaika

>>150148050
Eh. I don't consider Pham slutty. Maybe playful and flirtatious in a innocent way but not slutty.

>>150149043
What are we supposed to find there?

>>150153062
>Even Watanabe can't keep her down
Not like she can go much lower than she already is.

>why is he the director
He did Kiminozo back in the day, and like it or not, that thing had a huge impact. He works directly with them, and apparently they get along, so there's an element of familiarity and trust there that you don't get with other works. They -tried- somebody else with Total Eclipse, but as we know the production there collapsed in on itself. Given they have very little money to spend on animated productions as it is, doesn't it make more sense to stick with somebody reliable?

To be frank, anime-wise I enjoyed SM a lot more than TE, so if they want Watanabe back for a DLA adaptation, I say bring it on.

>>150154467
>A twelve episode anime adaptation of Katia's route from the second visual novel was produced by ixtl and Liden Films and aired from January to March 2016. While praised for being a tight production despite its modest budget and time limitations, being agreed upon by many fans to be better paced and directed then Total Eclipse, the anime still still drew controversy for a few of its deviations, particularly those involving characterization and character arcs.

>>150154694
>particularly those involving characterization and character arcs.
Honestly, that's the only thing I didn't like about the anime. I enjoyed it otherwise.

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>>150154467
>They -tried- somebody else with Total Eclipse, but as we know the production there collapsed in on itself

What the fug. Except Total Eclipse was way better. And it was 24 episodes. Sure there was quality during TE, but SM had an absurd amount of it too. And it looked even better than SM in many many places.

>>150154694
This better not be MAL.

Who the fuck are these "many fans"

What fucking tight production!?

A FEW OF ITS DEVIATIONS!?

>>150154923
He said adaption of Katia's route, not the LN or is Katia's route an adaption of the the anime?, and in any case, the anime sticks to the plot very well., it just does a shit job when translating what's beneath the surface, like the themes and characters.

>>150154923
The general consensus is "Better then TE, but still a disappointment."

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>>150155459
I don't get it though, how?

I mean if anyone actually read TE, they can see the anime did a very good job with the pacing. And more importantly, it didn't deviate from the material. SM's wasn't just small deviations. The whole plot was badly impacted because of what they left out, and even worse, what shit they added in, and switched and changed.

The thing about TE is that it's a very complicated sort of story, with multiple things going on at once. It might not have been the best idea to make that an anime first but they did and it worked. Trust me, TE the VN can be extremely confusing.

>>150156767
TE's VN was a kusoge.

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>>150152257
They didn't convey that at all in the anime.

>>150156767
TE is enjoyable but pretty dumb, and the anime was a lot worse then it could've been due to leaving the story unfinished.

>>150149582
If it's sexy then it's canon.

>>150157759
All her mottoes are kind of depressing.

>Someday... you will realize the limits of your ideals.
>Only ideals like mine and Jürgen's will bring hope to humanity/My ideal...Only Jürgen's ideal...this country...That's the only way to save the world
>It's like diving; no hesitations (note that she compared diving to suicide and resurfacing to rebirth earlier).
>Your decision may not have been the "good" choice, but it was the correct choice.
>History progresses on the sacrifices of people.
>We will grasp victory in the name of the fatherland — even if we must drench the entire Neisse River red with the blood of our countrymen.
>I shall be watching how it ends in Valhalla/ In Valhalla……I'll be waiting.
>Its too late now; it was fate.

>>150158313
>Jürgen
Then it's all this guy's fault Beatrix became twisted.

>>150158313
Oh shit sorry about that senpai . After editing and shit and the size I was doing it was to small after I checked out wiki and other sources . I just chose "loyalty" to add but I'll try to see a good one among these to see if it'll fit but I also want to be happy to see her face every morning when I wake up cause she is muh waifu.

Also what was the name of her possible route again if it'll fit within the seize constriction of me making it 2"x4" I'll try it. Of this image >>150145604

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>>150158375
She was kind of fucked up before. Her family life was a wreck, her mother was dead, and her father was both neglectful and overbearing (he stuck guards on her and basically sabotaged her social life). She signed up for swimming in fact to get away from her dad.

She was extremely introverted and depressed, and ignored every one else, which led to Iris writing her off as a bitch and all the other girls picking on her (they wanted to curry favor with Iris since she was the most popular girl at school). Think the initial relation between Iris and Beatrix as Asuka vs Rei. It got so bad that Beatrix fantasized about suicide.

Then Jürgen came along and everything changed. Iris and her became BFFs and she began dating Jürgen. She was loyal as fuck to Jürgen, even when he was away for most of the time fighting BETA, and she was usually the first one he'd see when he got back to Berlin. Of course, the good times couldn't last, and her father eventually forced her into the stasi as part of one of his power plays. She ended up as one of Axmann's students, and well, you know what he does to his students.

Then Iris did pic related to Jürgen and all of her friends abandoned her while holding up Iris as a victim when they found out Beatrix was Stasi.

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>>150158633
Something about sweets.

>>150158375
>>150158720
After everything she went through, she should be an even bigger bitch then she is. That she still has some decency is rather miraculous after 7 years of Axmann and an even longer time of having her whole life be fucked.

>>150158804
Is that the name of the route itself or a recommendation. Also why didn't anyone try to save her? Is the writer a sadist?

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>>150155459
It's not exactly a pure adaptation of Katia's route. It mixes things in like psycho Lise from Irisdina's route, but also adds in her crippling issues with the Stasi, which leads to a whole lot of confusion and rage.

>>150158720
>>150158804
What happened to Jürgen before she got into Stasi?

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>>150158912
>Is the writer a sadist
More than that.

>>150158633
Something along the lines of "Do you like it sweet?"

>>150158920
I wanna hold her and make her feel better

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>>150159192
Good taste. It wasn't easy liking anime Lise with how many people got mad at you for it.

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>>150158939
It's complicated.

He's basically like Char or Lelouch, a child born to breathe and live politics (his dad was a diplomat to the west while his mom was stasi before the divorce), and just intelligent enough to get in over his head and really fuck himself, and the people he loved, over. He tried to play both the Stasi and the NVA by getting close to Abel (Beatrix's dad) and Alfred (Katia's dad). He was the darling of the NVA by day, but in the shadows, he was the guy who help found and train the Werewolves. He probably would have succeeded at his little power play and wielded a ton of power in East Germany through his connections if not for his rival, Axmann. Axmann out played Jurgen and turning his greatest strength, the people he was close to, against him (we know from the spoilers that he subverted his childhood friend, Katze, and later Iris). Axmann didn't have that weakness for Jurgen to exploit since he's a sociopath who has no friends. Then everything came crumbling down, Alfred tried to do a coup, and everyone died in the Moonlit Night purges.

Also, his last request was for Iris and Beatrix to take care of one another, which they kind of didn't do if you can tell.

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>>150159305
Back when it was airing, I mean. Though even now there are still some people who'll look at you funny for it. Weirdos, I say.

>>150159335
Thanks for the explanation.

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>>150159305
>>150159361
I was there, those were dark times. She's still a best tho.

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>>150159454
You know it.

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>>150159361
People look at Beatrixfags even worse and for way longer then Lisefags off site.

Annettefags are the worst.

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>>150159557
>anime Beatrix
forever best girl

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>>150159527
Never a doubt.

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>>150159557
>>150159361
Remember this?

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>>150159617
>using a picture of BiS Iris for Lise
Oh those wacky kids.

>>150159617
>MAL
>anime Iris that high
>Nene and Clarion that low
>let alone everything else
who cares

>>150159617
>puts a picture of Iris as a picture for Lise
Every single time.

>>150159617
>BiS Iris for Lise
oh man

>>150159617
Why did he rank Beatrix as worst SM girl?

>>150159764
She is.

>>150159764
If we're going off of the anime, she is. Anime Beatrix is actually worse then anime Axmann.

>>150159557
Does she do any of this in the Visual Novel?

>>150159988
She does none of it.

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>>150159361
>>150158920
Lise a cute. CUTE

>>150160493
BR pls go and stay go you're not funny or entertaining

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Anyone have high res version of this?

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>>150160620

>>150160753
Thank you so much dude.

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>>150161077
The BR should go back in his ditch and die already.

Any predictions for the Friday stream?

>>150163137
they will take a "closer" look at BD pictures.

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>>150158313
Beatrix in general is depressing. Even when you think you've seen an evil wolf, then >>150147207 happens and you realize you've put a suicidally depressed cub on a pedestal as a monster.

And then you look into her backstory and you become horrified. It's kind of meta if you think about it. Surface impressions vs the truth.

>>150158912
>Is the writer a sadist?
Muv Luv in general seems to be written by people who want to show the true meaning of love, and the sacrifices for it. Thus, sadism.

>>150159617
Disgust, disgust envelops me.

>>150159988
Depends. For many of these scenes, an outright no, they're just flat out made up. For others, yes, BUT the context and structure and how they actually go down are so twisted beyond recognition that you wonder how you got there from what you started with.

>>150163137
Maybe hints of a totally new story?

Yeah right.

>>150163091
When do we get those, speaking of which? Hell, when is Alternative coming?

>>150159617
I see someone likes being an edgy contrarian, in addition to the sheer ignorance of ML characters specifically.

>>150159335
Someone should make a Theo version of this.

>>150166201
With Lise.

>>150166946
That's not "this", retard. I think meant "with Beatrix".

Especially since the story actually went there.

>>150167118
Thats rude he just misunderstood you thats all. Did you mean a Theo version of the text summary or the drawing

Is stream earlier because of DST?

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Todays stream is up!

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv283020461

Like always, remember to post screenshots for our less fortunate fellows.

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>>150166946
Gotchu covered pham. But more would always be nice

>>150167731
Am I the only one getting a blank black box where the stream is supposed to be?

>>150167855
It worked for me.

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MISCHA

MISCHA HAS CHANGED

>Simone-Maniax
Don't even joke about that Age, don't even joke about that. We want our Bea-sama!

>>150167731
What's the emergency number in Japan?

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>have an account and watch the live streams every friday
>today can watch normal videos but live streams don't work
The fuck niconico

Middle marketing(????) woman is easily the most enthusiastic girl around. No wonder Kouki took her to America.

Is that Kouki's wife?

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New Inia daki in planning.

>>150168717
Rie-nee does seem to love her job.

>Is that Kouki's wife?
I second that question.

>>150168281
Simone is only good for bitchslapping her to the ground every time she doesn't watch her tongue.

>>150168281
I'm telling you, last week's poll was just a joke poll.

>>150168768
So not much news of note in today's stream?

>シュヴァケン、リィズルート入った。ベア様喋るだけでエロい。
>ベア様とアイリス様とでレズセックスしてほしいと思う今日この頃
>やっぱりベア様が攻め…
>『くっ、殺せ』って言うんですねわかります

I just love their disappointment.

>>150169647
It's pretty funny that the audience finds her extremely erotic, but Theo has like zero sexual attraction to Beatrix.

Nothing relevant on the stream?

>>150169694
He does stare at her tits quite a lot though.

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>>150169647
Im trying to use translators but nothing makes this come out right.

>>150169560
ML swag. Now you can slap a neat Valkryies case on your phone. Oh and a presumably limited edition poster before they get sued by Lockheed.

>>150169694
Err, who said this? He's mad at himself because he finds her so incredibly attractive, and she invades his thoughts a lot.

Again, this needs to be said repeatedly, Theo is an unreliable narrator.

>>150171078
>ML swag

meh/10

>>150169694
>>150171078
He has a hateboner for her

>>150168281
>joke
It's happening.
>We
Speak for yourself. Anybody but Beatrix would be an improvement.

>>150171525
>Anybody but Beatrix would be an improvement.
You want Axmann to be the first age lad to get a Maniax then?

>>150170248
Was it just coincidence the tea was next to the cream?

>>150171589
Sure.

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>>150171589
>not wanting a game all about Axmann and his harem of prettyboys

>>150172563
>>150172617
>they want a Lise rape simulator

>>150165377
>>When do we get those?

I dunno, around the beginning of next year, after Alternative.

>>When is Alternative coming?
It should be around January 2017 but it's been a long time since the last update so I'm not entirely sure if that will indeed be the final deadline.

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>>150172694
I want a 'teaching feeling' type Lise healing simulator.

>>150174834
I want a ryona Suzy and Simone beating simulator.

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>>150176813

>>150176813
I want to bully Tarisa with racist insults!

>>150121433
Why is anime Beatrix so ugly compared to the VN?

>>150169647
>>150171078
Schwaken, I entered the Lizroute. Talking to Bea-sama is very erotic.

I want to see lesbian sex between Bea-sama and Iris-sama (refers to an old meme of lesbian-rapist Beatrix).

After all that, he still attacked Bea-sama...

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Don't mind me, just best girl coming through!

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>>150178188
FUCK YOU
THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO GIRLS LIKE YOU 'ROUND THESE PARTS

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>>150178188
3cute5me

Director's Cut patch is out now. Hopefully someone will provide a torrent link.

Let's all bully Suzy!
>you will never be in the same school with her teen version so you could write things like "dyke", "human trash" and "kill yourself" on her table
>you will never give her a wedgie

I want to fuck Kasumi

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Theo is paranoid to the point that he sees Beatrix drinking tea as suspicious or evil:

紅茶……？どういうつもりだ…………。

>>150182626
That's because anyone who can drink that filth can be considered crazy.
Coffee > tea

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>>150182663
I'm going to brew a cup right now just to spite you.

>>150183029
I was just fishing for smug Beatrix and/or Irisdina images

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>>150121255
>ctrl+f saddam
no results
lets get this shit rockin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avdmh_zoRU4

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>>150182663
They're being jackasses to one another during the whole conversation. Theo starts it off by refusing his tea, so Beatrix taunts him asking him if he thinks it's poisoned, which kicks off his paranoia. Then Theo asks her if she's going to torture him, and she responds by asking him if he'd like that (which he again takes seriously, hence the flashbacks), along with mentioning that there's tons of other people who would seriously want to torture him for info. She then gets serious and asks him if he realizes everything Lise has done for him and says that the only reason she's still in the stasi is for him. She then asks him what he's willing to do for Lise. They continue this passive aggressiveness, with Beatrix attempting to establish dominance ("I enjoy making a man scream") and Theo thinking worse about her.

They then go into a long talk about the political situation. Of course, Theo trips a lot of negative flags when he tries to lie to her, and Beatrix trips a few when she casually mentions her thoughts on Iris. One moment where Theo trips up is when she asks him for his professional opinion on the war with the BETA, and he tries to give her an answer that he thinks she'd want to hear (East Germany is invincible), before caving in and telling her the truth. Beatrix says the DDR has a year under Schmidt and three months if Iris gets her way. The only way they have is to overthrow the old order, join the stasi together with the NVA, form a military state and act as a shield for the rest of Europe.

Theo then accuses her of being pessimistic.

She also accuses the NVA of being too old fashioned/proud and not adapting technology like the nifty anti-Destroyer missiles the West has.

Another thing; from the start, Theo was thinking about backstabbing her for Iris and fleeing with Lise. Beatrix may have picked up on this, which is why she mentioned that he'd have an override until he'd proved himself.

She admits that being a Werewolf really sucks too.

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>>150184349
Except for all the threats of torturing him, Beatrix comes off as rather reasonable, and many of her critiques of the different sides are rational.

>>150184349
>you're gambling our lives for Western support?

Theo does have a point there. The West hasn't been very helpful.

>>150182663
Tea has always been more refreshing and comfy for me compared to coffee.

>>150184349
You should consider using VNR instead of that.

>>150184349
>>150184426
She's lets off on him later, and even says she'll let him have a MiG-27 if he's a good boy. Even in that situation though, he was thinking about how best to use the MiG to kill Beatrix, grab Lise, and run back to Iris (he was actually staring so intensely at Beatrix that she giggled a little).

Theo's resolve about betraying her even begins to waver a little until Katia's speech redirects him, and he goes back to seeing her as the devil (cue speech about how evil she is using friends and family against one another).

>>150184349
>>150184426
>>150185782
Thank you for the summary.

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>>150185782
>She's lets off on him later, and even says she'll let him have a MiG-27 if he's a good boy
That's just too cute desu. And again, shows you how much trust she had in Theo. Again, one could argue that Theo being one of the best pilots they have, should have a 27 anyways, but it's a sign of immense trust in him, especially since they are only like four of them.

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>>150186623
I just hit that part. She's trying to be nice to him and he's internally thinking about how best to betray her if he got a MiG-27.

As for the trust thing, she knows she's got him under her thumb, but she wants him to want to fight for her. Hence the swapping between threats and kindness.

>>150185709
I'll look into it.

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>>150184349
>>150184426
>mfw she really did like him and wanted him to be a friend

WHAT HAVE I DONE

>>150184349
>Beatrix says the DDR has a year under Schmidt and three months if Iris gets her way.
Is Beatrix a prophet or something?

>>150187134
Depends, when does Kirke's LN take place?

>>150187151
Three months after the rebellion (very beginning of July).

>>150187125
Don't know how you came to that conclusion, she wants more loyal soldiers and knows he'll be a useful asset.

>>150187125
I don't know if she wanted to be friends with him, but she definitely wanted to take Iris's place in his mind.

>>150187203
>three months later
>they're still doing fine
Sure it won't last forever but looks like she was wrong about the time table.

>>150187314
There wartime production has been cut to a third of what it once was, they're facing a refugee crises, they have about 200 TSFs left, and they'll fall sometime by August (http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Bake_The_Enemies). They are not doing fine, it's just it sounds optimistic because it's from the viewpoint of Annete and Kirke, and hey, survival rates are up for pilots, how bout that?

>>150187281
Read between the lines, her face, and remember that Theo's ramblings are very colored.

A big indicator is that usually when they're chit chatting, even when it's a threat, Beatrix is smiling as if her words are just some casual bureaucratic checklist. And as we know, she's usually very intense with her words and mannerisms.

Also, reading it again, she's mostly using her very kind voice, not even her 'battlefield regular' or 'smug city', and occasionally interspicing it with innuendo. And look at the translated portions.

It hurts going back to this.

>>150187305
And it seems to be working almost.

Almost.

>>150187314
Well, is it not "Katias" rule that is in effect and not Iris?

>>150187445
How many TSF did they have before the civil war?

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>>150187702
Quite a lot, oddly enough. The factories, and even Berlin, are if nothing else, good at production.

They've had more machines than qualified pilots for a long time now. War has decimated most squadrons, so even the 666th is very shorthanded has to tap into training battalions directly when normally they would have picked from other main wings.

>>150187314
It's not "fine". It's the crescendo before the end.

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>>150184344
So, why don't we just gas the BETA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6IxSIwFe1Y

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>>150187068
>It's the finish which isn't bad

>>150188902
jesus Chihaya is too cute

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>>150188902
I don't get it.

>>150188902
That arc is almost as bad as Meiya's death when it comes to making me cry.

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>>150188985
She's talking about her Mig's red-black paint job. A finish in Western parlance when talking machinery is usually the paintjob and/or varnish and other coatings.

It's a reference to Jurgen.

Now take a guess why Jurgen colored his Mig red

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How screwed would we be if there are other aliens besides the BETA hanging around Earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwFhq57o-M

>Yuuya did work at Area 51

>>150188985
>Lise's face when Theo brings her to the ribbon store and tells her she can only pick one

>>150189441
Why? Theo saves Lise. It's the happiest route in Schwarzesmarken.

>>150189768
I was talking about Chihaya's arc in the iDOLM@STER.

>>150189456
>>150188902
There's actually a TSFiA story about all the trouble she had to go through to get a non-Stasi color scheme. It doesn't really have that much meaning too it unless you know about her background.

>>150189768
He's talkin about @, but look, Lisefags, can't you understand the feelings of people who aren't Lisefags? Who see something completely different on foci in that route?

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>>150190115
Not him but the "foci" of Lise route is, well, Lise.

>>150190238
Yeah, and the Katiaroute is about Katia, but guess who doesn't win the Theobowl? Many things happen in a route.

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>>150189768
That is technically true.

>>150190728
I'm not sure what you're trying to say or what your point is, I mean Lise wins the Theobowl in her route, and yeah many other things besides sex happen but thats what a plot is.

>>150187068
So she's smiling because she thinks Theo is staring at her?

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>>150191345
More or less, yeah. That ......... is her being amused. She lets him soak her in for a bit before she'll bring him back to Earth.

It's been pretty consistent across the LNs and both VNs that she likes to play with Theo for one reason or another. Draw your own conclusions.

>>150176813
>>150176845
Is she upset because she's flatsville in a land of tittymonsters?

>>150176898
Do you want to get beat up by VG?

I wish Beatrix and Katia would have had a confrontation, just so Beatrix could hit her with the "How can someone who doesn't know the meaning of despair talk about hope" line she screams out in when she hears the speech in Lise's route.

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This is so different from the anime.

Beatrix tells her men to fall back and that she'll cover them after the bombardment. Rosalinde doesn't seem happy at all and hesitates a little before obeying her. Beatrix is incensed by Iris bombarding Berlin and causing a shitton of collateral just to kill her. With the other Werewolves gone, Theo sees his opportunity to kill Beatrix.

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>>150193511
Iris came so close to surrendering and teaming up with Beatrix in her route it's not even funny. She was right in the middle of giving the 666th the order to stand down when one of the rebels cut Iris of with a "Don't joke with us" at Beatrix.

Ironic thing is, Beatrix offers more surrender opportunities then the rebels. She allowed the Berlin Battalion to surrender, assuring them that only Axmann was to blame for the coup, and I don't know if she would have been as purge happy as Katia was after winning. I don't think Beatrix is naturally that bad of a person, really, even if she always gets scary back ground music.

>>150194255
The sad thing is is that they both try to get the other to surrender. Iris even tells Beatrix that she can find her a place in the new regime and that she'd be an asset. She could be a politician or something like Jurgen wanted, but Beatrix scoffs at being underneath an incompetent "smallfry" like Heim, and tells her that her new "friends" would just rape/torture/kill her and her soldiers anyways, to which Iris responds by telling her that she can only "see the darkness in people" and not the good.

>>150194539
>and tells her that her new "friends" would just rape/torture/kill her and her soldiers anyways, to which Iris responds by telling her that she can only "see the darkness in people" and not the good

Is Iris ignoring that Ketchup already did that to the POW's and she was ok with that?

>>150191695
I can't wait for Sharon's SSR card.

>>150194255
>I don't know if she would have been as purge happy as Katia was after winning.
Kirke's LN is ambiguous. It could just as easily be the Iris route.

>>150193197
I wish Katia had a lot more interactions with more characters. Instead she either converts people or they kill her. Frankly, another reason I like the Lise route a lot is because Katia converting Theo so easily actually makes sense, considering he was a recent member of the Stasi in the first place and he basically only did it for Lise.

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>>150195089
That was in Lise's route, which shows Iris at her worst (see>>150193511).

Iris was also certain that if Beatrix surrendered, Heim would back her up and everything would be great and they could be sisters again. Like Beatrix said, Iris is delusional if she thinks the new government she is building would let that happen.

Besides, Beatrix wasn't really planning on coming out of that fight alive. She'd already lost the country, and all she had was a handful of Werewolves backing her up after losing most of the rest of her battalion saving the 666th. It was obvious enough that even Theo figured out that she was trying to get Iris to kill her. But Iris was pulling her punches and didn't want to kill Beatrix (his response when he noticed was to ask Iris to fall back and let him kill Beatrix himself).

>>150195475
He was always planning on betraying the Werewolves, killing Beatrix, and running with Lise. It was Beatrix converting him, not Katia. Katia's speech just reinstilled his initial resolve.

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>>150194255

This comment from Iris was darkly humorous after everything else that happened.

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>>150195834
She just sat through the rebels talking about killing/torturing Beatrix, then threatening to do the same to Pham and the other 666th when they defended her. I think Iris was rather disillusioned with a lot of shit after the rebellion was over. She's probably having a little bit of regret for not joining up with Beatrix; she's not a very strong person after all.

>>150172617
Does Axmann knew that guy to his left has Suzy as his Mistress?

>>150195772
Why does Theo want to kill her so bad?