Death of fansubs

I know enough Japanese to not need fansub. They can die for all I care.

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>>150029395
considering these past seasons has been full of libsubs, no.

>>150029395
We keep getting this thread, and OP keeps proving he's a newfag.

For the most part, yes. Fansubbing was always shit.

>>150029395
I only miss the karaoke.

>>150029453
What's libsubs?

>>150029652
It's what you do when you don't get the script sent to you by the studio but have to figure out what the characters are saying by listening very closely and trying to ignore the background noise.

>>150029600
This.
I kind of miss those cheesy effects, mostly out of nostalgia, I think.

Also typesetting.

>cr
"acceptable" is the term but fansubs shouldn't go away. fansubs will also always be needed in some way because those companies only care about pocketing most of the money themselves and sticking to what be most popular/money bringing
inb4 miles or other shills

>>150029395
Well, it's not that completely dead.

Kuromukuro got fansubbed, even when the dead group stopped midway.

Some shows that are only streamed with hardsubs still get softsub scripts made.

But fansubbing was always about speed, not quality for a vast majority out there, so it was obvious that it will mostly die once there's commercial competition.

>>150029455
t. butthurt fansuber

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its more like fansubbing has switched gears. while some groups do try to put out subs as shows are airing I noticed several groups have switched over and are just doing BD when they're released. Probably because it gives them a larger time table and not have to speed sub it.

I love the fansubs have higher quality meme. I mean are we supposed to trust autistic NEETs and jobless English majors instead of actual professional translators.
>but look at these screenshots, professionals got this one line wrong
which proves fucking nothing other than they are human and make mistakes, fansubbers likely make more mistakes when they don't just fuck up on purpose just to be obnoxious memers

What I fear is that most current fansubbers just use Crunchyroll subs, slightly reword it, and then release it on their own.

>>150030223
>Retarded professional translators from Daisuki do a better job than a bunch of anons.

Not this time, motherfucker.

Also, <3 and jelly are autistic things found in modern official subs.

>>150029395
>How do you feel about the death of fansubbing?

Fansubbing is NOT dead. I still do it. There's still enough groups doing it because....

>Have services such as CR in your opinion managed to attain acceptable levels of quality

...they haven't been able to meet my demanding standards.

Fans need to call out the licensing companies and tell them when they fuck up a title or dialogue translation. As long as fans care and take the time to voice an educated opinion, fansubs will be there to uncover the truth.

>>150029429
Agreed. Only weeb scum and degenerates care about fansubs and dubs.

One nice thing about Daisuki is that they do have at least multiple translation options.

On the whole CR subs are far better than fansubs ever were. But there was definitely series good groups picked up that were subbed a lot better because they knew the source material unlike most of the CR subbers and they actually cared about the material, it was a passion project not a job.

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>>150029395

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anyone have that b gata h key sub comparison image?

They suck balls definitely, but let's face it, would all those shitty shows even get subs in the first place if not for simulcasting? Like people bitch about Daisuki crap in Stella no Mahou, myself included, but I can't imagine anyone fansubbing this show (and no group is even "fansubbing" it either).

Turns out that everyone was just an attention-hog.

>>150030836
Exactly. There are so many old (I mean made in the '70s and '80s) shows that need fansubbing, but there is little attention to be gained with those, since few people would watch.

>>150030967
Quite a few from the early 2000's as well.

I miss fansub drama.

>>150030335
What's wrong with Daisuki's translations? Mind you, I only watched M3 and Gundam from their catalogue.

>>150033316
They're rather wonky at English.
Which of course makes sense, since they're a Japanese streaming service provider that belongs to the Anime Consortium.

>>150033555
Provide me with an example.

>>150029395
They've obtained levels of quality no less acceptable on average than fansubs were on average. So I don't really care.

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>>150033555
>Anime Consortium
is this something like jedi council?

>>150029395
Fuck you KoG

>>150033636
Well, Concrete Revolutio is one where you can compare Daisuki-subs with the ones provided by Funimation.
In terms of providing an useful English translation, Funimation's version was the better one of course.

I miss [gg] guys

>>150033916
What do you mean by a useful English translation?

>>150029395
HorribleSubs works tirelessly to sub almost every anime that airs.

>>150033820
More like its counterpart from the Trade Federation.
They're literally bumbling around trying to find a way how to make anime more popular among gaijins.

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i only need fansubs when a show i want isn't airing/funi is subbing it, because funi is y'know, cancer.

cr is just fine. the ones subbing are paid professionals, the quality is nice, and i don't understand japanese at all so i'm not anal about their mistakes.

can someone explain to me why they prefer fansubs over cr?

>>150034822
Jokes on you, they're now sharing the same translators since they partnered up.

>>150034868
Translators? Like, whoring them out or something? Wasn't it that CR hosts some Funi shows and that's it?

>>150035023
Yeah, every show Funi licenses will be on CR now

>>150035098
But that doesn't imply they share translators.

>>150029395
Let's make some things clear. 90% of fansubs ever release were of low quality. People praise groups like Eclipse, for example. But Eclipse had terrible editing and most of their subs sounded like a machine translation of Japanese. The meaning was correct, but the English was not.

Fansubs are not completely dead, not should they die. People still need fansubs for shows like Precure (Thank you Anon for contnuing that) and for BD specials/movie that don't get released on CR/Funi/Daisuke.

>>150035252
We also need fansubs because some of the official subs for shows are garbage

>>150035297
But we won't get them.

do cr translators get a script, a few hours before it airs, or what ? im sure they dont do it by ear right

>>150035297
Give some examples. No, not adding honorifics is not a valid example of grabage. Sure, Funi's subs were of questionable quality, but those are pretty much dead since CR will be doing their shows.

good riddance, now if only dubbing would take off with a good large amount of VAs

>>150035347
They actually do get a script, yes.

>>150035347
Yes. Also, here's an article how simulcasts work.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-10-28/.108210

>>150035369
Haikyuu
Shirobako
Uchoten Kazoku
Haruchika
Occultic;Nine
Nourin
Pretty much any Aniplex show in the past two years

This list isn't even comprehensive, despite including the line about Aniplex shows

>>150035369
>Give some examples
Just like a pla-
>Sure, Funi's subs were of questionable quality, but those are pretty much dead since CR will be doing their shows.
Come on, you can't ask for examples and then disqualify the best ones.

>>150034034
Indeed. And don't let the name Horrible fool you. HS are the best fansub group in town!

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Commie, herkz, rhe, rori, sutai, mazui, jaka, rem, eien, fff, aoi-chan, dmonhiro, fotc, matt, horriblesubs, nothing else comes to my mind right now.
Oh and also Daiz.

>>150035443
thanks for that, it explains a lot of some of clunky or awkward stuff I've seen from shows coming out of cr i think they are stretched quite thin

i think funi has either better resources or a lower workload, their quality seems to be more consistent

>>150035466
Great... you actually give examples and I can't comment on any of them.

OK, OK... I might have forgotten something: English subtitles made by Japanese comanies. Those.... well... kind of suck. They aren't incopreehensible, just....annoying.

>>150035369
>Sure, Funi's subs were of questionable quality, but those are pretty much dead since CR will be doing their shows.
If Funi licenses the show, their translators will work on it. They're just using CR to host the simulcast.

>>150035369
I remember somebody did a comparison between Funi's and Daisuki's Haruchika and Funi was Hadena-quality.

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>>150029395

>subs
>quality

>>150035533
>Commie, herkz
why would you list the same group twice

>>150029395
>How do you feel about the death of fansubbing?
Happy. I can now watch anime almost as soon as it comes out as opposed to waiting weeks for fansubbers to get off their asses.

>>150029600
me too

why can't CR translate the fucking lyrics? Sometimes they have relevance to the plot of the show.

Funi is generally shit, but they at least take the extra step and give us the lyrics for most shows.

>>150035609
Herkz is just the most vocal of the bunch.

>>150035533
nice shitpost

commie devs please leave

>>150035640
I too look forward to watching Girlish Number six days after it airs

Reminder that fucking Chihiro is still alive.

>>150035663
Need extra licensing right for songs.

>>150035555
Please be lying to me. I was actually looking forward to that.

>>150029690
So what fansubs has always been?

>>150035663
Probably because they would need to seek extra permissions from music labels.

>>150035743
barely

>>150035741
I'll gladly put up with that considering tens of other shows air nearly same-day.

>stupid weebs want honorifics in their subs
>why isn't anyone downloading my subs?

>>150035747
>Need extra licensing right for songs.

so why is funi doing it?

why spend more if their competition isn't doing it?

>>150035828
They've released at least five episodes in the last month, that counts. I've got no idea whether they did the scripts themselves or not, of course, because why the fuck would I watch Chihiro, but they're fairly active at least.

>>150035936
Maybe they pay their staff poorly enough to afford it

>>150035890
Underwater (Daiz) actually has the right idea of having an alternate sub track so you get both.

>>150035938
I'm sorry for my ignorance but whats wrong with chihiro? my only experience with them has been izetta this season and i feel like they're pretty ok.

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>>150036160
Daiz, pls.

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>>150036160
i don't understand why more fansub groups don't do this.

>>150036012
Actually, the nip companies give Funi the rights to translate songs because Funi does dubbing, which is considered a way to reach a greater mainstream audience.

>>150036186
Bad TLs. Izetta's one of the few exceptions for them.

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>>150036228
Source for that?

I don't mind CR dominating the sub scene since that means more subs made by former fansubbers which means more quality subs and that means less shitposting about "muh superior fansub group".

>>150035297
lets not forget garbage fansubs like commie/gg
id take cr or even funi over that shit any day

>>150029395
checked

>>150036323
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-04-06/.100691

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-11-21/.108323

>>150035741
Waiting six days to watch your new anime. Horrible.

Also, once the first ep is out, then the wait between each ep is still only 1 week.

>>150036448
That's not what I asked for. Neither mentions why Funi translates song lyrics and CR doesn't.

>>150033964
They did Macross Delta last season anon.

>>150029690
Transport raws exist.

Or at least, existed.

>>150035678
Herkz is cancerous tho.

>>150030223
>professional translators
Sometimes I see these "translations" and laugh at how people pay to get this garbage.

im typically against CR, but in some cases their subs actually save us from inaccurate fansubs so im actually thankful for them

case in point, half of JoJo Part 4's manga fan translation is either butchered (removing Josuke's "Great"s) or embellished (adding cusses to Echoes Act 3 that were never there).

soon fags who say vento aureo will get BTFO as well, based CR.

>>150036329
>I don't mind CR dominating the sub scene
how are you still salty about Daiz putting you on blast

>>150036559
It's even worse when you find out the subs are bad

>>150029395
Anime feels somehow colder and less personal. Can also tell when the language elitist english majors with a minor in japanese get their heads up their own ass when it comes to subbing things.

The murder of subs(and we all know what happened) is directly responsible for the complete drop in popularity when it comes to anime, manga, and jap games.
The modern corner cutting and creepy otaku/fujo pandering stuff is the last nail in the coffin.

It's true.

How many of you know how to fansub? How many of you have?

>>150037325
>implying fansubbers could do better in general

>>150037288
Well, he's dead so not really.

>>150037533
We'll find out whenever GJM does the BDs

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>>150029395
>>150029395
EG has been subbing Ideon for years now and the 37 and 38th episodes just got up this month, Aim for the Ace 2 got a new episode not too long as well. Old anime might be stuck in the same pace as it was in the late 90s/ early 2000s, but it is undoubtedly getting fansubbed. Free from the half baked subs that streaming services offer and the autistic meme cartel that is nyaa drama

>>150029395
Honestly, my biggest gripe with HS is the crap encoding. Sometimes the stuff CR puts out is ok but Funi encodes burn my eyes.

>>150037235

Some-Stuffs is better than CR for Jojo though. Kind of a moot point to praise CR when Some-Stuffs exists.

>>150037455
I did once.
Taught myself how to do it and used what I knew from re-encoding and animu to make a soft srt for one piece.
Was just a google translated verson of a spanish soft sub.
Had to spend a lot of time correcting things and inserting a few 4chan specific dirty jokes but I did it.
Put it up on Veoh.
Was up there for all of an afternoon before it was taken down.

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Fansubbing peaked with [ITW].
It's mostly dead now. I'll never pay to >stream, though.

>>150037683
Funi video is almost always better than CR though. Of course, now that they're both gonna be working together and using higher quality encodes, shouldn't be an issue. Until now though, Funi has always been better.

>>150037711
yeah what i was referring to applies to a lot of different anime adaptations whose fan translated manga are infamously inaccurate, i just brought up jojo as an example

for the most part i don't seek out fansubs anymore.

I will say that when i read fan translations of the Drifters manga, there were tons of helpful historical annotations that i feel like the anime would benefit from.

>>150037822
>Funi video is almost always better than CR though.
You could not be more in the minority.

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Here's how I feel about "professional" subs.

>>150037808
What's wrong with Some-Stuffs' translation?

>>150037882
Average CR 1080p - 550MB

Average Funi 1080p - 700MB

I could go on, but this is proof enough.

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>>150037822
>Funi video is almost always better than CR though
What? We watching the same files? Funi releases are almost always garbage. CR releases usually look okay.

>>150037982
They reencode you double nigger.

>>150037822
>Funi video is almost always better than CR though
>hardsubbed
>fucked up colors
>720p encodes so artifacted it's unwatchable
>>150037982
oh nevermind, I see you're just baiting.

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>>150037822
>Funi video is almost always better than CR though

>>150037955
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=651823

>>150037974
It ironic that herkz talks to his one friend on twitter about how lonely we are.

>>150038082
>>150038047
>>150038020
>>150038003

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=183951

Look at Spike's face here; CR is somewhat blocky and smooth, whereas Funi is much more detailed.

Funi is better, unless there are color issues. For those specific series, of course CR is better. But in terms of encode specs, Funi is superior.

>>150038020
What? Who reencodes?

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>>150030487
>dubs
Not saying that old dubs were good (actually I don't remember if they were good or not, but I recall them not being awful), but modern dubs are horrible. They remind me of original finnish subs at times.

>>150035588
horrible subs have "horrible" in the name for a reason

>Old shows are still being subbed
>Gi/a/rlish Number getting subbed
I'm not worried about the decline of fansubbing at the moment

>>150038157
See >>150037974
If you take anything Herkz says as fact, you're a retard. Notice them closing the thread when their opinion is countered. They block anyone on their twitter who says contrary to their own opinion. Anitwitter is cancer, all streamfags SJWs who'd like to Westernize anime

>>150038247
The CR version looks slightly washed out there but look at the hair in the Funi version. It looks pretty horrible in comparison even though it can be seen ever so slightly in the CR version as well.

>>150038247
>Funi is better, unless there are color issues.
There seems to always be color issues.

Is that even the same frame? Look at his nose, it goes further away on CR version.

>>150038157
>>150038343
>>150037974

"My sides"

lmao, people don't say that. It's a meme translation. I've only ever seen it used on 4chan. Guess that goes to show how much time herkz spends outside of his mom's basement, so little that he thinks what people say on here is an accurate representation of today's slang. What a fucking faggot.

>>150038471
>>150038569

Fair enough. Although, CR's bitrate is still really shit. 550MB isn't really enough for proper 1080p. Funi does have it's fair share of issues now that I'm looking around more, though.

Can we please just nuke this kind of threads already? It's always the same shit.

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>>150035252
You're welcome!

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>>150029395
Spanish fansub is still pretty alive and CR subs are less shit than the english one so everything is ok for me. Can't say the same for Manga though

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>>150038649
Okay. Post 4chan memes that made it into anime.

>>150037943
KILL IT KILL IT MAKE IT STOP

it is faster now and overall more accurate than in the past

it varies because it's not an individual but before there groups that used forum speak and 4chan type writing when it wasn't appropriate at all

>>150039106
iirc back then subs would explain jokes and such, i decided to take a look at horrible subs, they miss the point of many jokes, sometimes mistranslated
e.g.
original meaning:
A: Dumb ugly old-hag!
B: I'M NOT AN OLD HAG YOU STUPID BRAT
hs:
A: Stupid
B: You are the stupid!

and they use that same phrasae on future jokes or reference to old events, etc.

>>150039396
>iirc back then subs would explain jokes and such
Problem is some groups took it too far and explained every single thing, even if it was obvious, and that is what killed translation notes.

>>150039396
>A: Dumb ugly old-hag!
>B: I'M NOT AN OLD HAG YOU STUPID BRAT
>hs:
>A: Stupid
>B: You are the stupid!

What show is this example from?

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>>150039545
It's clearly a complaint on overly liberal translation that changes things for no reason when a more accurate translation makes just as much sense, which happens all the time.

>>150039643
So you don't have an actual example and are just mad that people don't like bad English

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>>150039525
Boy was rewatching PPD a blast from the past. I kinda sorta still miss having the OPs with three different lyrics on screen though. I'd like to believe this burned fansubbing so hard nobody had it in them to properly sub stuff like SZS anymore

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>>150035369
Gay Girls Ping Pong. The death puns were so frequent, so ill fitting and distracting I had to stop several times through episode 7.

>>150039684
What? It literally happens all the time. You think anybody is sad enough to cap an image for that shit? When half the information is sound?

>>150039873
Why do translators think this is gold? If you don't know jap you would have to spend your time guessing what the fuck she was actually saying.

>>150037822
You must be somoking some heavy shit. Even Funi themselves admitted the problems with their encodes.

>>150038712
With that reply and that pic you just made my shitty night better. Thank you.

This isn't exactly related, but it ain't worth its own thread:

Is there a place to stream Evangelion like CR/Funi/Netflix? I don't particularly want to torrent it or watch 240p pirated streams.

>>150040055
I can't think of another way to translate her speach patters. She replaces "desu" with "death". There's no way to translate that except for death puns. And you can't remove it completely. She's creepy, and that speach patters is one of the reasons she's creepy.

>>150040145
>stream
Stop. Just torrent it.

The more japanese I learn, the more I realize that in reality it's impossible to correctly 'sub' anime.

Our two languages are extremely different, and lots of phrases and lines won't carry the same meaning in english as they do in nip.

Regardless, I miss some of the funky effects and typesetting that old fansubs used to do. There was a group who did Hidamari Sketch and had fuck tons of informative TL notes, that was great and added a lot to the show.

>>150040293
Part of the problem comes in trying to imagine what's not just understandable but actually entertaining to the different kinds audiences. Things change very, very quickly as they know even basic japanese or the simplest japanese customs, stretching all the way up to a profound understanding of both.

But stuff like >>150039873 is usually no good for anyone except one tiny sliver. You certainly don't want to be subbing jokes largely for your own amusement, though. That's just masturbation.

>>150040204
She's just lisping a tiny tiny bit. And you can tell she's creepy even without sound.

All Dekomori did was emphasize her desus and she got the same treatment just because she was chuuni.

Hell, that cult leader dude from Re:Zero should had gotten the same treatment in that case since he ticks all the boxes.

>>150040204
Hey man just wanted to say I really like your subs and still have a few shows saved in my archive with your subs as my chosen ones

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Can't say I miss them

>>150040293
I always feel TL notes would help immensely at times. As much as people say "It's not translating if you use TL notes" the two languages and cultures are so different it should be fine. If I recall someone posted an image of a translated western novel page that had a TL note in them.

>>150035807
Especially with those pesky licensing fees and copyright malarky...the "You wouldn't download a car." people and all their ball aching noise,

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>>150037723
>inserting a few 4chan specific dirty jokes
Promise us that you will never sub anything ever again for the duration of your natural life.

>ITT: /a/utists get mad about something they get for free

I'm thankful fansubbers exist. hope they never go away because they'll be there when we really need them

>>150029395
On one hand I miss fansubbing because CR sucks.

But on the other hand, fansubbing often sucked, and CR reliably does its job.

I wait the extra 3-7 days to watch Diamond is Unbreakable and Drifters with SomeStuffs subs

>>150030223
>are we supposed to trust autistic NEETs and jobless English majors instead of actual professional translators
Yes.

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>>150040661
Is this a trollsub?

>>150040661
Nice.

>>150030417
They can't even meet my reasonable demands.
When even someone that doesn't have any grasp of japanese can tell, purely context, that the translation is wrong, something is not fine.
I can at least be lenient with fan works because they don't generally require direct payment.