Dragon Ball Super

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how do we solve the Gohan problem?

>>149968110
yes

>zamasu literally won

holy shit

brought the whole arc up to 7/10 from 4/10

>>149968153
There's no solving, it's beyond hope
They're just toying with our feelings now

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Yes

So, the new timeline Trunks and Mai were sent to have its own Trunks and Mai? How does that work, will there just be two of them there?

>>149968175
exactly
at the end zamasu erased the humans
he succeeded

Zamasu arc is 10/10

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What was she shooting at?

>>149968194
Yes, Whis is creating a new timeline where Black/Zamasu never started their plan, so Future Trunks' timeline will continue as if Black never appeared, Trunks and Mai are going to that timeline and there'll be both of them

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>litrally exhausted just from flying

Can they finally kill him?

>>149968194
Here's how it works anon

>Whis goes to the Future world before Future Beerus stopped existing to warn him
>Future Beerus destroys Black and Future Zamasu before they can do anything
>the Future timeline is split in two: one where Black doesn't do anything and one where Black killed everyone and it ends to Zeno destroying everything
>the Trunks of the latter timeline goes to to live to the former timeline
>the Trunks of the former timeline didn't go through any of this shit, he simply led a normal life after he killed the androids
>the Trunks of the Black-less timeline is then contacted by the Kaioshin of Time and ends up becoming Time Patroller Trunks, this explains why DBS Trunks has its own character slot in Xenoverse 2, they are different Trunks from different timelines

>>149968175
>>149968214
He didn't win. He wanted to erase the ningen, but that was so creation could be perfect. That includes planets, plant life and probably lesser animals.
Zamasu's physical form was defeated and became a mass of hate that turned the universe sterile. Just look at what becomes of Earth.
And then, Zeno erasis him along with the universe.

Just because Trunks lost, it doesn't mean Zamasu won.

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post yfw Zeno literally erased the whole universe and the new one doesn't have him and any other God

Now that Zeno has a friend I hope he forgets about the multiverse tournament and we get something a little more threatening.

>>149968289
>>Future Beerus destroys Black and Future Zamasu before they can do anything
>>the Future timeline is split in two: one where Black doesn't do anything and one where Black killed everyone and it ends to Zeno destroying everything

Whis said thay won't kill them because everything would repeat again - Beerus killing Zamasu would create 2 new timelines - one with dead Zamasu and one with alive Zamasu. Instead he will seal them somehow - he said they have a better way to seal Zamasu than Mafuba.

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>>149968357
multiverse*

and yep, that is fucked up
he was literally floating in an empty world

>>149968357
He erased entire Multiverse - all 12 universes. But that doesn't really matter since Zamasu already killed everyone in there.

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>>149968364
fuck off
The Multiverse Tournament will be fabulous

>>149968412
I wonder what happened to his attentants and the Grand Priest. Were they wiped out as well, or that place they live being outside the regular space where the 12 universes are kept them safe?

Would they have gone inactive when Zeno left that timeline for the main one?

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>>149968357
I don't like the idea of being erased. It scares me. I don't wanna play super anymore.

>>149968375
still, this just means the Future timeline will be Black-less and Future Trunks will become TP Trunks

as for DBS Trunks... he'll just quietly live there, as a punished man who failed to protect the people he loved

>>149968447
They all might have been connected like Whis is and eventually only Zeno was left alone after Black killed everyone.

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Don't fuck with me or the other me

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>>149968460
you were already dead

>>149968194
They will all live together and have foursomes regularly.

Is Zeno sama the most powerful being in all of fiction?

>>149968375
>Instead he will seal them somehow - he said they have a better way to seal Zamasu than Mafuba.

I hope this means Zamasu makes a return for the multiverse tournament.

>>149968430
Come on, the Universe 6 tournament wasn't exactly filled to the brim with interesting fights. Pretty much all of them were gimmicky as fuck. There was no sense of urgency whatsoever. This arc may have been a little funky but at least there was a sense of urgency with Zamasu going to blow the universe up or whatever.

>>149968516
The words are scary but the picture makes me hard so I have mixed feelings here

>>149968509
I love how Goku hugged him just as he appeared and Zeno was all like "who are you? who are those people? where am I?"

>>149968153
>>149968430
>tumblr
lurk for 2 years before posting

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>>149968555

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>>149968479
Trunks... Trunks had a hard life.

>>149968528
No. The guy doesn't even transcend time. A True God would also be omniscient and omnipresent, which Zeno cleary isn't.

>Power of friendship didn't work
>Trunks universe got BTFO out of existence
>Everyone is fucking kill except Trunks and Mai
wew lad

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>>149968555
Call me a dirty phone poster, Anon! Degrade me! Yes do it!

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Did Goku also create another timeline when he killed Frieza in Resurrection 'F' saga?

>>149968610
kill yourself

>>149968194
But this time they won't kill zamasu in order to avoid time loops, probably whis will use some technique like mafuba but more efficient to seal zamasu.

>>149968479
He has Mai at least, he didn't lose everything and he literally did everything he could.

>>149968617
No

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>>149968606
A true goddess makes faces like this.

>>149968617
no because that wasn't time-travelling, that was just Whis pressing the rewind button

>>149968606
He shat all over Zamasu who was omnipresent and was starting to leak in other timelines though.

>>149968617
No, it was explained how whis time magic is closer to "rewinding" or something, hence it small time limit.

>>149968631
Why? It was exactly the same situation as with Zamasu. Whis reverted time so Goku could kill Frieza

>>149968619
unf

>>149968640
Zamasu lacked Omnipotence. Maybe if Zeno didn't interfere...

>>149968653
There was no alternate freezer timeline to contradict that shit
Or something

>>149968637
>>149968646
But the same thing happened with Zamasu - Whis rewinded time and Beerus killed Zamasu. What's the difference?

>>149968624
I understood that, I was just confused about whether or not there would be a Trunks and Mai there as well or if they would somehow replace/merge with them.

I mean, that timeline will now permanently have 2 Trunks?

>>149968617
no they just reversed time a wee bit, not traveling backwards

>>149968633

Where is this from ?

>>149968687
See >>149968677

>>149968633
Well she is a shit cook

>>149968694
Dragon Ball

>>149968677
that is not what caused the split, Beerus destroying Zamasu is what caused it

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>potara
>2 Zeno
do it

>>149968617
Whis can literally rewind the world up to 3 minutes, without traveling through time, which entails leaving a point in time and arriving in another.

>>149968701

Dragon ball what ?

>>149968677
>Whis rewinded time and Beerus killed Zamasu. What's the difference?
That didn't make a timeline, apparently it was the act of berus killing him using the "erase" technique That didn't work as intended

>>149968682
Yes, it will have 2 Trunkses and 2 Mais.

>>149968677
T-that's actually true.

>>149968730
How will they tell one another apart though

How will they not NTR one another

could mafuba have sucked in zamasus soul?

What would happen to immortal zamasu if he were turned into a cookie or absorbed by buu

>>149968617
I thought timelines were only created by timetravels. Whis made two short alreardy.

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>>149968711
YOU'LL DESTROY US ALL

>>149968748
One has blue hair. One has purple.
One Mai is more alpha.

>>149968719
It's an anime/manga series

>>149968711
Zeno doesn't have ears

>>149968711
So far the only thing I could imagine it doing is making the fucker more foolish and more cocky than he already is since that seems to be a side effect of fusion.

>>149968748
One Trunks could dye his hair.
One Mai could wear blue lenses.

>>149968813
he does

>>149968617
yep, and Hit kept creating timelines every time he used his time-leap ability

>>149968748
Worse, if Black never happened, that timeline's Trunks never met Mai.

Since they're apparently hardwired into loving each other (just see how kid Trunks and kid Mai react to the future versions of each other), I don't see how a scenario with 2 Trunks and one Mai could end well.

>>149968716
But this backward travel created also new timelines like black, isn't it?

>>149968861
Hit fastfowards in time
he doesn't create timeline, it just works

>>149968276
>Implying Gohan wasn't out training with Piccolo and just got back in time to see Trunks off

>>149968885
>Worse, if Black never happened, that timeline's Trunks never met Mai.

Yep
that timeline's Trunks is the one who becomes a Time Patroller due to Black never doing anything, Xenoverse is canon

>tfw you thought that zamasu covering up the sky wasn't so serious
>tfw trunks timeline is ruined because of it

How the hell did you go from zamasu fusion to even more OP zamasu soul

>>149968110
>over the course of this arc Trunks vaulted from less than P. Cell relevancy to going toe to toe with hyper merged ultragods
>Trunks got to play deuteragonist to fucking Vegito of all people in the final scuffle
>Trunks landed what was essentially the killing blow of the actual fight, Zeno's DELET notwithstanding

As a F. Trunks fag, this whole arc has been the closest I'll ever get to sex.

Gohan fags have it bad.

>>149968932
I feel like they tried to set this up with the scythe and the rift, but failed miserably.

>>149968932
immortality and autism

gotta say, the concept of Zamasu turning into literally Giygas was pretty fucking cool

So i'm still not convinced that the omni king didn't just blow up universe 7 or what, but is the current timeline stuck with 2 omni kings now?

>>149968903
This

Trunks is secretly training because he feels bad about himself being such a weakling.

All the bullying is only building him up.

>>149968932
Immortality is a hell of a drug that apparently interacts super fucking weirdly with various DELET THIS's.

>>149968980
>Trunks
Meant to say Gohan

Time to sleep i guess.

>>149968981
I mean it makes sense, Zamasu's body wasn't fully immortal but his soul still was

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>>149968110
fucking taiwanese retards
Mai has a sweeter under the jacket but in this shot she doesn't

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>>149968748
What if they cheat on each other with each other?

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>>149968947
Mah ningen. I had a great time with this arc too.

>>149968977
There literally nothing left in Future Trunk's universe. zamasu kill ALL the gods in that future and left Earth last. Afterward, zamasu just absorb everything and became the remaining universe. Then zeno kill him. If Goku haven't gone after Future Zeno, Zeno would be left floating for all eternity

>>149969024
Would it be considered cheating?

>>149968981
>>149969006
not to mention it was immortality granted by the super dragon balls.
I mean if normal dragon balls can give you the whole "whenever you take damage it just disappears" gimmick you know the super ones have to one up that somehow.

>>149968947
Let's be honest though, half of the things Trunks did this arc were retarded and clearly ass pulls. Why does Trunks get a new SS form no one else uses? How can he go from being weaker than Goku black who was losing to SS2 Goku to being able to fight on equal terms with a Goku black who curb-stomped SSB Goku and Vegeta? How can he use the spirit bomb like ability with no training, why can he learn the mafuba even quicker than Goku? Seriously this arc was pure wank for Trunks in the worst ways.

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>>149968932
>>149968975
It reminded me of Zeromus from Final Fantasy IV.
It was literally hatred incarnate that spawned from the villain being killed.

>>149968980
More or less, his hair has changed hand his expression was quite stern, not unlike when he was still Mysic.

>>149968720
>apparently it was the act of berus killing him using the "erase" technique
What a shitty ability. You don't fix the problem, you ignore it, and you also create a time ring. You might as well not do anything.

>>149969020
>sweater

>>149968233
At God.

>>149969045
>the power of the dragon is determined by the power of its creator
>Dragon God Zalama is THIS powerful

When is he gonna be introduced?

>>149969039
But what about fighters such as say hit?
I'll buy that black went around surprise killing all the kai there for taking all the gods of destruction out of action since the kais are pretty weak comparatively, but a lot of the fighters in the other universe where probably stronger than black, especially before his zenki boosts.

Also while I get zamasu completely encompassed the earth, I don't see any proof he did that to other places.

>>149969122
what is it

>>149969057
Isn't Trunks new form just SS2 with God Ki?
They always put a lot of emphasis on ki control when talking about Blue, and Goku and Vegeta only achieve it due to training. I just figured Trunks awoke God ki because reasons, like Vegeta before him, but didn't have enough control and mastery over it.

>>149969111
>berus
>so say I make this here technique
>it erases people from existence!
>and all of time!

>whis
>shouldn't you test this first so it doesn't do something like just make another timeline where the person not a thing or something?

>berus
>are you doubting the power of a god of destruction!?

>whis
>of course not berus sama Ho ho ho!

>>149969175
Super Saiyan Too Blue

>>149969175
Shit would've made a ton more sense if they drew a new form for him instead, like Super Saiyan Green or something (because at that point why not), which would've been SSJ2 with god ki.

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I'll post it anyway.

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>>149969264

>>149968637
>>149968677
A plot hole. Seriously, Whis (or even Zeno) could have rewinded time before the first time Zamasu tried to kill Gowasu (in the original timeline) instead of erasing F. Trunks timeline and everything could have been avoided.

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>>149969288

>>149969295
1) Zeno has no idea who Goku is
2)whis has a time limit. He would have not been able to rewind time

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>>149969304

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>>149969327

>>149969152
Hit got killed somehow.
Anime Black's powerlevel is fucked because of Toei incompetence, but manga Black was already stronger than SSJ3 Goku at the start of the arc.
Who knows what level he stands at right now.

>Also while I get zamasu completely encompassed the earth, I don't see any proof he did that to other places.

He was spilling to another timeline and there was the shot of his face spreading out of earth.

>>149969295
Beerus already did that. The only reason Zamasu/Black kept on existing was because the time ring protected him from being erased.

The alternate timeline that was created was one where Zamasu does not die. The timeline where he dies is the main one already. Then Whis went to that timeline and dealt with them before the situation repeated itself.

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>>149969355

>>149968276
>>149968903
I think they were training and this is supported by the hairstyle change and the fact that they weren't there to see them off like the other families.

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>>149969410

>>149969369
>Hit got killed somehow.
How?
What to say he didn't fuck up the kais, then head straight to earth because that's where goku came from and would make a good starting point?

>He was spilling to another timeline and there was the shot of his face spreading out of earth.

Because that said point was constantly being used to time travel back and forth. It makes sense that it was weak enough to start breaking, but I still don't' see anything showing engulfing every single world.

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>>149969435

>>149969138
Dude, we've already seen Popo.

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>>149969458

>>149969458
9 parts in and I just realized it's left to right.

>>149969057
I can tell you what I think is happening, but it's up to you whether these make sense or not.

>How did he learn the Mafuba
Basically everyone who's ever done the Mafuba after it's creation, ironically except for Goku, has only seen it done once and then imitated it on their own, including the likes of Roshi and Tien. Piccolo's a maybe here since he may remember it via his dad's experiences.

>How did he get so strong
Super simply appears to be straying away from the hard and fast use of powerlevels as seen in Z. Like in the RoF arc with the chumpmeisters jumping in vs Frieza's army, despite how ridiculous Z suggested that would be for the likes of Roshi.

>What was with the SSJ and Spirit Bomb
It appeared as though Trunks was a celebrity in the Future to the point of being considered some kind of godlike saviour. In fact I'd feel confident saying he had a 100% approval and faith rating. I thus believe the filthy ningens were effectively sending Trunks their energy of their own accord, which first manifested as the SSJ boost, then as the Spirit Bomb.

That's just what i think anyway, but if I am right stuff like the Spirit Bomb was not nearly explained well enough.

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>>149969481

>>149969481
Holy shit poor Vegeta

What a fucking whore

>>149969175
Because at that point he should be in all ways two - 10 times stronger then Goku and Vegeta in SSJB.

Why?

Because SSJB is just SSJ1 with god ki.
Trunks going SSJB2 would be a direct jump over them for no other reason then just because.

It would outright BREAK DBS even worse then it already was at that point and make everyone simply throw the entire thing into the trash.

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>>149969498

>>149968175
He didn't win you retard. He clearly wanted to become justice. He got killed. Dying wasn't part of the plan.

>>149968233
at autism

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>>149969524

>>149969024
Accidental incest between descendants when?

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Anybody else thinks it's stupid that each timeline is its own entire multiverse and has its own Zen-o-sama?

And here I thought the whole "Zen-o-sama REALLY doesn't like new timelines and if you piss him off enough he'll erase your entire universe" thing was implying that each universe was originally a timeline split of one original universe and Zen-o-sama goes around culling universes whenever they get out of hand.

>>149968276
They were definitely training. Otherwise they wouldn't have arrived together at the same time.

>>149968276
How we can fix this shit?

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>>149969552

>>149969562
Don't worry, by the time Super ends we'll see at least three more higher ups.

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>>149969579

>>149969497
Why do people forget that the being known as Piccolo is also Kami and has all of his memories?

>>149969520
No. It's not Super Saiyan Blue 2.
It's just god ki being used to boost Super Saiyan 2. It is bellow SSB.
Trunks has god ki but doesn't have access to a god form. Goku and Vegeta needed to train for a long period of time to make that jump as well.

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>Zamasu literally became [Record Scratch]

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>>149969599

>>149969552
>>149969579
Bitches and whores

The Briefs were a mistake

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>>149969623

>>149969562
No it isn't. It just mean that Zeno-sama just don't care. I mean now he can summon and infinite number of him to fight. Like he must be able to traverse time and space casually. Thus, he can summon an infinite number of himself if needed. Also Toribot is the highest God.

>>149969602
He's talking about Piccolo reversing Mafuba on Kami back in Dragon Ball. Before they fused.
The Mafuba was invented after they were already split.

>>149969623
What a fucking tattletale. I bet Vegeta beats his kids when they snitch on each other.

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>>149969647

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>>149969671

>>149968276
I think Krillin can finally take him now

>>149969665
You wouldn't snitch on your sister if she were a turbowhore slowly killing your dad with her sluttiness?

>>149969562
>Anybody else thinks it's stupid that each timeline is its own entire multiverse and has its own Zen-o-sama?

Yes, god yes.
Thank you.

This makes the fucking time machine more powerful and destructive then you can possibly imagine and the angels and even zeno a bunch of lazy stupid fuckwads who allow something that disruptive to exist simply because.

It makes fuck all sense and never did.

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>>149969687
And that is that.
As you were.

Trunks x Mai is sure the only good thing from Super.

>>149969687
>Orgies as the Son house
Fucking hell man. What is wrong with this doujin.

>>149969717
and stay out.

>>149969497
>>149969057
>>149969247
Honestly this just fits my headcanon that saiyans have some sort of weird "rubberbanding " trait.

One gets massive power boost, all the other find it easier to get to that point
one saiyan unlocks a ancient alien prophecy power boost, the others start find it progressively easier to get the more that already have it.
One sayian starts to unlock "godly ki" the other syain around him start getting the same godly ki.

Probably a good thing evil saiyans are extinct, imagine 100000000 of these fucks running around with godly ki. Fuck I bet cabbas going to show and know all of his planets fucks are going to start becoming super saiyans.

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What's the point of Mai and Trunks going to a timeline that's not theirs? Why not just stay in the current one with Vegeta and Co?

>>149969741
That's how progress works IRL too m8. If a person manages to do something then everyone else will have an easier time doing it too because now they have the first person example to follow.

>>149968617
I choose to believe he did because it's cooler that way. Now Goku and Gohan are travelling across space looking to kill Frieza to avenge their loved ones.

>>149969758
They, Mai in particular, wanted to go to a timeline where the people who fought with them in the future existed.

>>149969769
I mean true but it normally doesn't work that way with "sick gains" But then again saiyan science is pretty much just learning how to throw rocks harder.

>>149969731
A literal meme ship from Battle of Gods that they took too far.

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honestly lads, super has been really fucking shite.
there have been some good moments but overall it is really fucking retarded most of the time, even worse than gt.

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>>149969717
Give me back the last twenty minutes of my life you fuck.

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>>149969781
Which would be pointless since they didn't fight with her and more or less may not be born due to the differences in the timeline.

>>149969731
Even though it makes no sense and Mai is like 60 something given she was an adult with Goku was a kid and Goku is what, in this 30's now?

>>149969781
All those people are still in the present.

Even if they go to another timeline those people will still not be the same people they fought with and for. They will be completely different people with completely different experiences and who won't even know who Trunks and Mai are.

They are fucked no matter what.

>>149969552
Holy fuck they are destroying Vegeta's life. He needs to just blow up the Earth and find a new life.

>>149969609
1.That's not how god ki works, it's an either or thing
2.The only way to get god ki is to be part of the ritual.
3.He was never ever not once even trained in the use of god ki or part of the ritual

You don't use god ki to boost a fucking SSJ form you use god ki to attain a new form. A new form that is dependent on god ki.
Want to know why? Because so far, in this arc, the SSJB form has been shown to be INFERIOR to SSJ2 MARY SUE GOD KI ENHANCED form.
SSJBlue is just SSJ1 but using god ki
SSJSUPER SPECIAL TRUNKS IS THE BEST FORM does not make any kind of sense, not even in the especially stupid canon of super.
Period.


I reiterate, we should just handwaive this entire dumbass arc.

So what translation do you guys prefer?

I'm lazy so I just go with Horriblesubs but he hasn't posted the new episode right now..

>>149969717
Someone actually sat down and wrote/drew all that.

Jesus.

>>149969858
>2.The only way to get god ki is to be part of the ritual.
At first
Now apparently not.
Have some "special form" only to have everyone else get it is nothing new to dragon ball.

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>>149969717
You forgot this page.

>>149969382
>with goten and gohan
yoooooooooooooooooooooo

>>149969741
Then why didn't the other saiyans that existed at the same time as the first SSJ become multimillon ki level world destroyers?

Why didn't the good saiyans who made SSJGod make a bunch of god level saiyajins who could use god ki?

That theory is bad.

The only saiyajins who got a full on boost was vegeta and that had as much to do with being part of Goku's posse then it did with him being in the immediate vicinity of him.

And you only got god ki/access to god ki from being part of the fucking ritual. Trunks having it out of no fucking where has never made any fucking sense and it's just fucking cheapness and lazyness that he has any access to it at all.

>>149969741
My theory is that the "ki of the universe" is constantly rising thus making it easier for all beings in the universe to access more of it.

>>149969858
Can't we just admit that Dragon ball's writing has been retarded and getting progressively worse since the Cell arc or aka the last arc that was in any way well written and good?

>>149968289
that spoiler makes more sense than it should.

>>149969971
yes

>>149969866
I just watch it on Crunchyroll

>>149969732

I don't know, maybe Chi Chi would want to spice things up as they get older, and Goku would probably think of it as some "group training" or something. I could see it happening.

>>149969971
Buu arc had its moments though with Vegeta coming to terms with goku and himself. Finally figuring out why Goku is always getting stronger and begins to understand him more.

>>149969894
Nope, still is.
Everyone is outright ignoring the super special mary sue form that trunks had. Even the people in Super.

>same time as the first SSJ
He probably just fucked offed
If the whole Bardock shit is cannon he probably didn't care to be around the primitive saiyans, he was allready kinda a loner

>>149969949
>only vegeta
And gohan
and trunks
and goten

>>149970012
Is it though?
Did they ever explicitly stat that vegeta did the ritual and that he didn't, say, learn after seeing goku use it?

>>149969971
Uh uh.
I'm not going to throw Z under the bus to give the outright retardation of Super a pass.

Super has been trash for 60+ eps now.
And the Cell arc stopped being worth a fuck the moment Cell stopped being imperfect and only started to be worth a fuck the moment Gohan started to slap perfect cell's shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYxx8qjZFs
So basically, Trunks and Mai pulled this shit.

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>>149969524
>i gave you the benefit of the doubt even when I saw you in his clothes
holy shit that denial vegeta

>>149968682
>Potara
>2 Trunks
Instant power boost as needed

Why are you fucking virgins talking about sexual shit in DBZ, jesus christ you're fucking losers.

>>149970024
>If the whole Bardock shit is cannon
It's not canon. Never was never will be.

>>149970024
You mean their children you fucking retard?
Saiyajin epigenetics is a real thing. The rubber band effect only means anything if they indirectly make full blooded saiyajins grow stronger by simply being in their immediate vicinity or something.

>>149969896
the plot thickens

>>149970050
Seeing as how Vegeta didn't become a twink with red hair and eyes...I'm assuming no. He didn't copy gokus form simply by seeing it.

He got access to god ki by being part of the ritual then learning how to harness it and control it by training with Wiess.

>>149968719

One of the cutscenes in Xenoverse 1 or 2. I think it's 2.

>>149970080
But is it better than GT?

>>149970175

Jesus christ you faggots gtfo

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>>149968110

How do you think Vegeta feels knowing that present Trunks won't grow up to be anything like Future Trunks?

>>149970181
It's XV2

Speaking of which, you guys complain about Super's QUALITY animation but it's nothing compared to that game's anime cutscenes

>>149970191
Nope. In terms of setting I liked the sense of adventure the first arc had. Baby was alright. Making the dragon balls relevant was also pretty neat.

I also liked how SSj4 wasn't some end all be all form. Goku still struggled against all the main villains with it.

Super 17 arc was shit though.

>>149970191
Both are trash for different reasons.

>>149970202
Fuck off.

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>>149970080
>>149970238
>Super is shit because muh power levels

This is getting tiring

"np trunks i know we were unwilling to help with the issue before but this time we'll just create a completely clean timeline for you because you're our special little boy."

>>149970191
GT is looking better every week

>>149970344
Gotta applaud Super for such an achievement.

>>149970284
Yes.
That's exactly right.
Super is mostly shit because of "muh power levels".
If you fuck up power levels in DB you might as well throw in the towel because a massive chunk of what makes all of it works is having rock solid internal consistency when it comes to power levels.
Otherwise it just devolves into abject retardation that makes fuck all sense and ruins any sense of progression, tension, and even weight when it comes to fights.

>>149970284
To be fair the manga does a way better job with PL consistency.

>>149970368
The original DB didn't have this "muh power levels" bullshit.

>>149970368
>>149970400
How does it feel to be 12?

>>149970410
this

and db is better than dbz anyways

>>149970418
Desiring some form of consistency is not immaturity. Excusing said lack of consistency in a story because you just love your nostalgia too much is.

>>149970214
There's still time to scar him for life.

>>149970410
The original DB had actual fights.

>>149970238
>I also liked how SSj4 wasn't some end all be all form
Neither is SSB. It has lost more times than it has won.

>>149970368
It's not just the retarded power scaling but really look at how everyone is written in super. Find me a character who doesn't act clinically retarded.

>>149970144
>If the whole Bardock shit is cannon
It's not canon. Never was never will be.
Fair enough, but those nothing to leading the original super saiyan did shit, or did not die in battle before carrying on his stuff.
even if the trait is through epigenetics passed to some weird sayayines trait, by that right saiyans should of already started seeing super saiyans pop up more.
Either way there little evidence showing what the original super saiyans impact would of been either way.

>You mean their children you fucking retard?
See there is a couple of problem with using epigenetics. While it works for say goten because he was conceived while goku had been using super saiyan for a while, it falls short for say, trunks and gohan.
Gohan did not have any parents that where super saiyans during his conceiving, And while you could write that off as "he was simply taught it at a younger age" the problem still falls short with trunks.

You see trunks was neither conceived with super saiyan parents and yet he gets super saiyan unlocked around the same time goten does, with apparently little help from his father so its not a "training" thing. what even pushes this point further is we trunks from the future took much longer to unlock super saiyan, despite supposedly having MORE training than kid trunks, the only advantage kids trunks having is being around MORE super saiyans.

So no I don't think it's saiyan epigenetics at work.

>>149970418
I'm not 12, I jus don't eat everything up Toei shits out.
I thoroughly enjoyed the emphasis of PL during casting abilities in the manga adaptation of the Hit fight

>>149970410
Yes it fucking did. They had "ME AM MORE POWERFUL" stuff since fucking forever.

And, lets be honest, no one gives a shit about kid goku's adventures. If they did, then this would be about kid goten and kid trunks having space adventures rather then it being them raping the corpse of post Piccolo Jr vs Goku Dragon ball aka DBZ.

>>149970418
How does it feel to be stupid. DBZ with inconsistent powerlevels ends with the outright stupid and embarassingly dumb bullshit we got in this arc.

>>149970410
>>149970427
And Goku was not as stupid like in Super is. He actually used his brain to defeat his opponents.

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>>149970482
Not really unless you were some martial arts master/prodigy.

Goku was even a bigger Mary Sue in that compared to trunks where he was never in any real trouble.

Still fun though.

>>149970284
but it's true

>>149970453
Well first of all, your '''''''inconsinstencies''''''' are autistic as fuck.
>BUT WHY IS THIS PERSON STRONGER THAN THIS PERSON AND THIS OTHER PERSON
is exactly why OPM was made, to mock retards like you
Second of all, you're the one going around with nostalgia by constantly bringing up Z. Which is funny because Toriyama himself never even liked the concept of power-levels.
Third of all, I watch this show for the story and the cool fights. This saga provided both.

>>149970515
We need one for Future Trunks.

WHERE ARE MY SUBS

>>149970515
>grampa gohan
kek

>>149970453
power levels were only introduced to show how inconsistent they were and how petty the villains were for relying on them

untrained 4 year old gohand got angry and did more damage to raditz than goku or piccolo managed even though they've been training their whole lives

krillin developed a move that could cut anyone in half and kill them if they didn't have extreme regeneration, regardless of their power level

the red ribbon army were able to develop cyborgs with infinite energy that were both stronger and more durable than frieza and super saiyans

tien managed to hold back cell's second form even though tien was much weaker than characters that cell could easily destroy

majin buu could absorb beings stronger than him and there is nothing they can do about it, for the most part

power.
levels.
are.
bullshit.

Dragonball is an action series written by a gag artist. You shouldn't take it any more seriously than it takes itself. Same goes for Super.

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>>149970542
Best part is that nothing has changed.

>>149970511
Goku is the main character, not goten and trunks.

>>149970504
Episode of Bardock became canon after it was revealed to be included in the 30th anniversary Jump's Official Timeline.
People still debate about this after the news though because the author said it was like an alternate history or something.

>>149970214
I think I've figured out the hair thing.

It's the butterfly effect. Because of Future Trunks' time fuckery, when Vegeta impregnated Bulma, a slightly different sperm cell got to the egg. Thus, you have a different Trunks.

These threads are going to be slow for the next two months. They're never as active when we're only on filler arcs.

>>149970564
I don't see those kids, the soldiers and all the other survivors anywhere.

>>149970511
>DBZ with inconsistent powerlevels ends with the outright stupid and embarassingly dumb bullshit we got in this arc

I didn't find any dumb bullshit in this arc, I'm sorry but I'm not an autist like you
Super Trunks is just Trunks using godly ki but not having a calm enough mind to achieve SSB. A quick research on the wiki will explain it all.
Literally all of your issues are dumb shit, throwing an entire show under a bus because of this is autistic as fuck.

they fight gods like it's nothing what's next honestly it's kind of stupid

>>149970515
didn't Goku kill all of red ribbon army?

>>149970602
They've never won a fight against a god.

Nigga don't u underestimate the Kikouho!

>>149970578
Sacrifices must be made if it means Toei can step up the their shit while the manga leads the way.
Storyboards are incredibly important in an action series.

I laughed so hard at Gohan scene

Haha. what a piece of shit

>>149970568
Man I kinda don't like that. I've always been a fan of bardock but I thought episode of bardock was really shoehorned in.

Well either way that shit takes place like 1000 years before dbz anyways so it doesn't really matter.

>>149970573
But future Trunks also had purple hair in DBZ

>>149970530
Yeah, sperg somewhere else. It's not OPM, and it isn't a parody of fighting series, so you don't get to go "hurr durr what does it matter lol OPM btfo you."

Sad state of affairs when all you defenders can do nowadays is go "w-well who cares about internal consistency! STOP BULLYING DB, YOU'RE JUST A STUPID POWERLEVELFAG. Watch OPM to see how stupid you are!"

>>149970608
Not all of them. Some of them where collateral damage when fighting against some of the generals that used rockets or robots.

>>149970515
Where's Frieza?

>>149970699
Goku didn't kill Frieza

He offered him to stop the fight but Frieze threw a laser disk at him that ended up cutting him in half.

Basicly suicide.

>>149970504
Let's just ignore the totally noncanon Bardock thing shall we?

SSJ1 being a legendary thing that was only achieved when someone went ape is actually kind of cool and him eventually destroying the original world of the saiyans would have been awesome.
Hell I'd even like a story where the legendary first super saiyajin ape fought SSJGod and they eventually destroyed each other leaving the weakling ancestors to survive on another world they were forced to take refuge on.

Lastly, it does work.
See, in DBZ you have to make up for lack of power with better techniques and or harder training.
Kaioken and the spirit bomb were litterally the only way Goku could make up for him being vastly physically inferior to Vegeta.
What does this have to do with anything you may ask?
The kid super saiyajins should not have the ability to go super saiyajin just because their parents are.
They should be able to do it because they both have a higher starting power level, have better ki awareness, and have seen and felt the changes that occur in the bodies of other people and can easily mimic it.

Goten? He got it fully by accident, mainly because he tapped into the ki more then likely by witnessing gohan doing it...plus goku gave chi-chi that master ssj dick of death and put goten in her belly.

Remember, being more powerful and having more ki = being able to do certain abilities that would take someone who's far more talented a lot easier.

Some rando jackoff saiyajin with a sub 1000 powerlevel is not going to go SSJ1 unless they are a fucking maestro of Ki control and ridiculously well trained.

And Gohan? I reiterate.
Gohan is a fucking mutant.
He was, from the moment he was born, the most powerful mortal on the earth. No the ox king and popo aren't mortals.

>>149970573
It's just that toriyama pairs the family up with matching colour. You can see this is present in the colour manga pages and in the BoG concept art by TA himself.

>>149970690
It's the reverse really, all you attackers can do is just harp on issues you make up in your mind and then go on autistic rants like this post >>149969858

>Want to know why? Because so far, in this arc, the SSJB form has been shown to be INFERIOR to SSJ2 MARY SUE GOD KI ENHANCED form.

Wrong, never happened. Literally never ever happened.
You're just an autist and your ''''''''issues''''''' are non-issues.

>>149970690
>and it isn't a parody of fighting series
Yeah it's a parody of journey to the west.

>>149970699
In Trunks' kill list.

>>149970690
s-stop bullying dragon ball super okay??

expecting the most basic of story elements in a story that previously had them is just autistic okay???

just sit back, let your mouth hang wide open, your eyes glaze over and watch the pew pew fights like a zombie

also michael bay movies are da bess

We need a filler episode that shows Future Trunks, Mai, Whis, and Future Beerus defeating Black as he arrives.

>>149970530
At least power levels in OPM have some sense of coherence, unlike Super.

>>149970758
>in a story that previously had them

except Toriyama himself never really was consinstent with power levels because he never liked the concept of them
in fact the entire point of power levels was to show how stupid they are

>>149970784
We don't need any more episodes focused on the cancer that is the Zamasu arc.

It's done with, for good, and thank god for that. I managed to get out there just barely without an aneurysm.

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>>149970621
At first I was going to say fat buu, then I realized they never managed to beat him either.
But they did beat A god though.

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What hair color does Vegeta have?

>>149970550
1.The scouter was introduced to show how powerlevels actually mattered.
2.It actually showed that people should rely on their own power and not technology(ironic considering what occured in the android saga)
3.Powerlevels fucking matter 100% and even while trying to claim that powerlevels matter you indirectly state that powerlevels matter.
4.If you don't have the power level you have to train hard or have bad ass techniques to overcome the power gap. That has been the case in every single motherfucking installment of DB since motherfucking issue/ep 1. This has never ever changed.
Until super, where you only had to be SUPAH SPESHUL then you get every single thing from power ups to super special techniques just handed too you.

>>149968528
No, that would be big g God

>>149970801
Yet we never had Kuririn being strong enough to take on big bads out of nowhere just because Toriyama wanted him to have a spotlight.

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>>149970804
>I managed to get out there just barely without an aneurysm

>>149970214

>Vegeta barely gives a fuck about his actual son, and puts all of his pride into some alternate, future version of his son.
>Goku doesn't give two fucks about his sons, and would rather eventually fuck off with some nigger kid who is the reincarnation of some monster he once fought to train, instead train with his sons.

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>people arguing about power levels
>forgetting that Vegeta effortlessly blew up a planet before he arrived to earth with a single beam attack.

Someone give me a good excuse for this.

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>we will never see this sexy transformation again

hold me ;.;

>>149970811
he dyes it red from time to time

Wait... wait...

How did Trunks go to earlier version fo his timeline? If he changed time machine settings in the main timeline shouldn't he go to the future of the main timeline?

>6 or so weeks of filler now
Kill me

>>149970873
>filler
>canon
Lol no.

>>149970916
thought it was less than a month

And apart from that shitty copy-vegeta arc I thought Super's filler has been comparatively enjoyable

>>149970911

Shhhhhhhhhh...

Don't worry about it.

The funny thing is that the autists here are throwing the entire arc under a bus because Trunks managed to finish off a weakened Zamasu with a sword imbued with spirit ball energy and godly ki from Goku and Vegeta.

Think about this for a second, just how autistic do you even have to be?

>>149970873
not canon but then again Raditz was acting on his own for sometime...

>>149970565
Goku is also an adult who they made into an absolute fucktard in a desperate attempt to maintain his childlike innocence. Look at his voice for godsakes.

Goku and Vegeta should have been training in the otherworld, goten and trunks should have been having space adventures.

>>149970585
Trunks created a spirit bomb.
Trunks created a spirit bomb with no training
Trunks created a spirit bomb with no training that required no charge up time
Trunks created a spirit bomb sword with no training that requires no charge up time
Trunks created a spirit bomb sword with no training that requires no charge up time with the spirit energy from 22 hobos in a dead city and a cave, a cat and a talking turtle that was strong enough to take out someone that tanked Vegito's best moves.

That shit is fucking stupid and makes no sense within the established rules of the DB universe.
If you want that type of trash go watch some fucking inferior garbage aimed at 4 year olds.

>>149970916
Comedy filler episodes are usually better than the main arcs though.

>>149970873
>filler

Best solid feat Z gets is First Form Frieza blowing up Planet Vegeta effortlessly

>>149970911
Don't think too hard about, the writers certainly didn't.

Considering Super is pretty much all about gods, I feel the Demon Gods need some love.

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SSJ white when? I hope they make it cool like SSR

>>149970952
>Satan vs Goku wrestling match
I want more filler of Goku running away from Chi Chi

>>149970940
No its more the abruptness of this arc. The build up to fused Zamasu was alright. Then it ends in 2 episodes.

What the fuck?

>>149970722
While yes it makes sense that becoming stronger does mean one has an easier time becoming super saiyan the problem is the rate they got that strength.

Once again this fall back on future trunks taking his sweet time getting said super saiyan, and kid trunks having while he was, what 8 or 10? Even with that implication it would imply that kid trunks was stronger than future teen trunks despite harsher living more training ect ect.

Finally the last problem comes with cabba.
Cabba is basicly around the same strength as vegeta base form (with god ki boost mabey?) And while we might be able to right of him as being the strongest saiyan in his universe, I can't imagine him being stronger than the rest of his people by such a large gap that it would hinder the other from being around super saiyan attainable levels. I mean, even if the average bloke was HALF as strong as him, that would mean not once has one of those fucker ever gotten mad enough to unlock super saiyan, that is until a bunch of super saiyan and a couple of godly ki super saiyans should up and started to rub elbows with him, jump starting it.

I'm not saying its a great writing or what not, but it makes the most sense on how the saiyans characters have a habit of playing catch up and quickly re leaning ground already made by others of their race.

>>149970864
Good that you're identifying it for yourself. I am proud of you, son.

>>149970932
Super has the best fillers. We're getting a baseball/Arale episodes. It's going to be fun

>>149970813
>1.The scouter was introduced to show how powerlevels actually mattered.
This is literally the opposite of why the scouter was introduced you dipshit.

>2.It actually showed that people should rely on their own power and not technology
I don't see how the scouter did this.

>3.Powerlevels fucking matter 100%
Absolutely do not. Many of the villains in the franchise could have been beaten if not for bullshit regeneration hacks by characters weaker than them.

>>149971051
I want more pan

>>149970944
Trunks actually trained under U7 Kaioshin for Majin Buu, that was pretty much stated, especially in the manga.
That is likely when he learnt how to do a spirit bomb.
You don't know how many Earthlings are left, you only assume it's just the ones we were shown.
Plus, Trunks also got Goku and Vegeta's energy.
And also, Zamasu didn't ''tank'' shit. He was clearly weakened by Vegito. Or rather just his body was.

There, all your '''''''issues''''''' fixed in one second. Do you still have an aneurysm?

>>149970957
While it is filler it does fit.
We see master roshi with a power lvl under a 1000 being able to blow up a moon.
A dude with a power lvl of 10000 blowing up a planet doesn't seem to farfetched.

>>149970952
If there is more filler with Beerus and Whis eating new types of food, it's already better than "serious" main arcs.

>>149969446
Black was stronger than Hit. Not to mention he had an immortal Zamasu with him.

>>149970813
>1.The scouter was introduced to show how powerlevels actually mattered.
HAHAHAHAHAHA NO
Nigga look this up, the scouters were introduced to show how this shit doesn't matter.

>>149970864
>i-if you don't like my asspull g-garbage then you're just autistic! h..haha, I got you there, anon!
just sad

>>149970940
Using spirit/life energy is a god level technique that takes a fuck load of skill to master and can only be done under special circumstances.

And it being fused into a sword does not work on any level. Mainly because it's a goddamned glowing ball of evil dissentegrating light and naturally takes the form of a ball of light.

Not random ki that can be shaped into a sword.

Lastly, NOTHING that we saw up to that point showed that he was weakened. If anything it looked like he was transforming into a final form and that the real battle was starting.

PS. Goku and Vegeta were drained of godly ki. Even the next episode outright states it.
Trunks just got a little bit of their normal ki.

>Future Mai doesn't even acknowledge Present Mai or Pilaf and Shu
This really bothered me

>>149971043
In the manga future trunks got super saiyan at about the same age main timeline gohan did.

>>149971073
>That is likely when he learnt how to do a spirit bomb.
No he didn't. Spirit Bomb isn't their technique, and something so important would be stated. Trunks didn't comment on the technique he is using, just went with the flow once the energy started gathering.

He had no idea it's a Spirit Bomb.

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>>149971082
Also this

>>149971082
The Moon's mass is roughly 1% of Earth's. Vegeta would need a power level of roughly 100k scaling off that Roshi kamehameha

27k seems about reasonable considering Roshi didn't put too much effort into it, but it certainly would take all Vegeta's power, like he claimed when Goku and he did their beam struggle

>>149971093
Except Black/Zamasu got knocked to the earth by a SSB KK x 2 Goku whereas fucking Hit tanked hits from SSB KK x 10 Goku without breaking a sweat

>>149971093
>black stronger than hit
What m8?
>hit is arguably stronger than SSB goku
>Initial Black is SEVERELY weaker to SSB goku

>>149971109
I'm sorry but if you got an aneurysm over a show aimed at kids then top kek dude

>>149971145
>The Moon's mass is roughly 1%

The moon's mass is 7.35 x 1022 kg, about 1.2 percent of Earth's mass. Put another way, Earth weighs 81 times more than the moon. The moon's density is 3.34 grams per cubic centimeter (3.34 g/cm3). That is about 60 percent of Earth's

>>149971145
>>149971082
The planet Vegeta blew up wasn't Earth

>>149971145
That's Toei's fault with inconsistent power scaling. DBS' producer said only Beerus and the angels are stronger than Black.

>>149971116
>And it being fused into a sword does not work on any level. Mainly because it's a goddamned glowing ball of evil dissentegrating light and naturally takes the form of a ball of light.
>Not random ki that can be shaped into a sword.
You're wrong on two points.

1. The spirit bomb naturally takes shape of a ball when there is a shitton of energy in it, like on namek or the kaioshin planet.

The first times goku used it in training, and when he used it on Vegeta, it COULD be demonstrably manipulated, as he literally passed the energy from himself to krillin, who was the one who threw it.

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>>149971121
Yeah that sucked. Though it was a rushed episode.

Would be nice to see at least 1 episode of Mai and Trunks living a calm life with Vegeta and Co before fucking off to some timeline that they have no business with.

>>149971123
That would make sense seeing as he's around mostly 1 super saiyan, gohan, compared to gohan being around his dad all the time.

>>149971121
They should have stayed in the present anyway. Going into alternate future to live there with their exact duplicates? That's way more creepy than being around kid version of themselves with different history and upbringing.

>>149971116
>Lastly, NOTHING that we saw up to that point showed that he was weakened.
Did you watch it raw or something? The official subs really hammer home the point that Zamasu's regeneration was not keeping up with the damage he was taking.

So, /a/.

GT or Super?

>>149971152
No he isn't. Toei just fucked up making Hit look stronger than he actually is. Black's base is SSG level. DBS' producer and the manga both confirm this.

Black was meant to be the strongest enemy Goku has ever fought not counting Beerus. Merged Zamasu is supposed to be a cheat character who isn't fair to the series. Toei is just awful at showing it.

>>149971116
>Lastly, NOTHING that we saw up to that point showed that he was weakened

Oh yeah, him losing his mind and turning into bulky slow ass form to the point he can't even dodge two sword slashes clearly doesn't show him being weakened
Nigga just get out, you're the cancer of these threads.

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>>149971229
Absalon at this point.

>>149971121
Nor she freaks out about 18.

>>149969511
At least he's still undefeated against Goku. Canon.

>>149971229
Neither

>>149971250
Why is Pan such a slut?

>>149971123
no he got SSJ2 in the Babidi flashback, which is roughly around a year before Black shows up.

>>149971229
Super, it introduced lots of lore and brought the series to a multiversal scale with gods and stuff

GT just rehashed concepts and only took the series to a galaxy scale and only for the initial arc anyway

Hit's assassination techniques would have been able to kill Black before Rose. They should have put a hit on Black.

>>149971233
>Black's base is SSG level.
After his visit with the time ring, not before, where is when he'd would of murder hit and others.

And even including that, that doesn't account for shit we haven't seen yet that's likely to show up in the next multi universe tournament.

>>149971250
>Uub
Nah. Shit character from a shit villain in a shit arc.

>>149971229
Neither, both are shit and are series no one asked for. At this point it's quite clear Dragon Ball should be ended and stay done.

>>149971165
Damn great defense of GT you got there, anon.

>>149971273
Pay attention to the conversation you replied to.

>>149969481
like mother like daughter

>>149971282
And I'm not sure which is worse. The bigger in scale Dragonball gets, the worse it seems to be.

>>149971123
Why is Kid Trunks so much stronger than Future Trunks? He and Goten figured out SSJ when they where 7. They will probably go SSJB before they are 12.

>>149971043
Then why weren't they all as strong as King Vegeta? Why was radditz barely stronger then a fucking saibaman despite being around vegeta for decades and barely surviving horrible space wars?

Goten and Trunks got power boosts because they were conceived while their fathers were highly powerful PLUS being taught advanced ki control and sensing abilities from the time they were infants and witnessing SSJ transformations.
Them fighting all of the time on top of training = them gettin SSJ super easy and super quickly.


As for Cabba. They've never even HEARD of SSJ and they have no clue as to how to do it or that it's actually possible.

Just because you're very super powerful doesn't mean that you'll instantly learn how to do a very complex ki attack.

It's like saying just because you can lift 500 pounds you should be able to become master of wrestling, on planet that has never even heard of wrestling or seen anyone do it before.
There's no logic too it.

Fucks sake, Vegeta spent his entire life, from the time he was a child, trying to achieve SSJ and he got jack and shit.

The only ONLY reason he was able to achieve it was because he saw goku do it and had some idea of what it looked like and felt like from witnessing the ki.

>>149968194
FOURSOME END

>>149971326
Well maybe you should drop your nostalgia anon because I really like the scale Super introduced, it's a good direction for the franchise

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>>149971229
Super, especially with the manga leading the way the anime will improve in quality.
Toyotaro and Toriyama have certain visions of storyboard panels that need to be carried over into the tv adaptation. Toei should stick to replicating the source material not making up their own shit.

>>149968325
>>149969541
yes he did stay mad faggot

>>149971334
He had a dad to train with rather than his dad being dead and having to be mentored by A kid just a few years older than him.

>>149971229
GT.

For how shit it was, The SS4 transformation is at least more interesting than the SSG bullshit.

On the flipside, Beerus and Whis are the two best things added to DB in a long time, but would I have to credit BoG for that or Super? Well, I'll just give it to Super.

>>149971365
Nostalgia has nothing to do with that, stop using it as a scapegoat for people not liking the shit Super introduces and retcons.

>>149971012
>SSJ3
>J
Weeb. Shit form too.

>>149971250
>Krillin becomes the master of the Turtle school

I never knew how much i wanted this.

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>>149969618
BE CURSED!