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Zamasu arc

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>he's gone forever

We had 5 wonderful months of memes,gohanfags and laughs

I love you /a/

Thanks

Rate this arc
8/10
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>>149965205
Gowasu should have gotten a bigger punishment than APOLOGIZE GOWASU FOR DESTROYING A REALITY
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>Gohan was already tired and sweating when he went to see Trunks
Will Gohanfags ever recover? Even a bit of flying is enough to tire him out.
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>>149965205
The end of a meme era, fucking kill me bros it's been a wild ride.

GOWASU
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reeeeeeeee why didnt Vegeta do this
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>>149965205
Was there a bigger ABSOLUTE MADMAN than Zamasu?
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hi
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C'mon, one last round of zamasuposting for old time's sake
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how can ningens and gods even compete??
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Post yfw Gohan gains a passion for toilet cleaner next arc and I guess he trains with piccolo... for 5 frames of animation.
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>>149965636
I want to see his mother. Considering his father is short she must be tall af.
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>Tfw Toonami is showing Gohan btfo Cell

What a night
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How are the elevens reacting to Gohan?
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>>149965205
nth for wasted potential

>f.mai will never /ss/ kid trunks
>no quad cuddling never ever
>no keeping f.trunks relevant
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>>149965205
7/10. Bumpy ride but I had fun. You losers made it even more fun. Thanks.
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>>149965759
pilaf no
don't make this worse
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>>149965665
I just want to see more of Vados. Would be amazing if she was a mentor in Xenoverse 2.
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>>149965636
By not being faggots
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Goku wnt through hell with Black and Zamasu, and he is definitely much stronger now, but was his experience in the future enough to deal with the upcoming threat? He can only use SSB Kaioken for very short periods now, and not even x10 like he did in the tournament. Will he be able to fight Time Stop inside a Time Stop now that will now use his Assassin moves too?

>inb4 it's 1 second now
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>>149965868
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>trunks grows and grows and grows, getting better with each hardship
>somehow defeats a god
>he just comes back and kills everyone and effectively destroys his planet in 3 minutes

truly, being FT is suffering
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>>149965710
>tfw not even rule 34

where did everything go so wrong?
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Literally "Neither Of Us Will Be Virgins! Now.".
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>we've did it guys
>we beat him with the power of friendship
>zamasu fw
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>>149965759
DELETE GOHAN
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>>149966072
What would happen if they fused together?
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>>149965709
They were posting screencaps of how handsome he was drawn and going nuts over it
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>Zamasu actually won
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>>149966072
This bothers me
The one time they could've copy and paste and get away with it they didn't
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do not sexualize my children
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>>149966202
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>>149965665
Who said Angels have mothers?...

Or dicks?
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>>149965873
who cares, SSBxKK10 was already filler, now we get a filler episode based on a filler based abilities. Hit's anime abilities were straight up bullshit too so expect more nonsense.
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>>149966072
So, that Zeno moved here.. what it is going to be about the destroyed universe/timeline? who will control it?

Also, is Whis able to create a Zeno by making a new timeline?
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>>149966307
>filler
The anime is the canon though. Watch as the manga rushes another arc again and ends Black and Zamasu in 1 fucking chapter as the new Arc starts in December.
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>>149966211
DELET THIS YOU FILTHY NINGEN
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>>149966389
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Where new episode?
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Well guys, at least this arc's villains weren't ugly...
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NINGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS
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>>149966383
I'd take a rushed ending over them going back and forth through time 3 times
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>>149966456
>[Universal REEEEing]
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>>149966456
>you will never wake up to see zamasu's beautiful face in the sky
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>>149966383
>The anime is the canon though
there is no "the canon" you dumb ass.
There's 2 different continuities of the original plot outlines by Toriyama.
Shit that wasn't included in that original manuscript very well be called Toei filler you filthy ningen.
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>>149966456
what joke of an ending
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>>149966389
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>>149966405
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>>149966383
>>149966540
>>149966469

Stop my invincible Saiyan. The only canon we have for Super are Toriyama's mystery manuscript and outlines, the only way to know what is canon is to compare the manga and the anime. Anything that is the same in both is canon, everything else is filler.
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This pic still makes me sad
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>>149966456
>muffled "ningen" in the distance
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>>149966469
>derp I can't handle build up just gimme some crap like Manga Hit vs Goku in which U6 looked like an absolute waste of time
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>>149966619
>The last thought to go through her mind was "Son-kun..."
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>>149965566
He was training
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It's funny. If you consider the fact that Goku always wins, it makes sense that the ending of this arc was a pyrrhic victory. After all, Zamasu was half-goku.
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LEAVE ZAMASU TO ME
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>>149966602
not necesarrily, although that's the method I used previously, after the latest news from Shueisha/VJump that the manga is the official contiuation of the dragon ball manga with Toriyama himself overseeing it, the manga has it's own canonicity to it that doesn't need to be compared to the tv adaptation.
Toriyama also has mentioned multiple times that he prefers Toyotaro add some of his own ideas into it, thus concluding that Toyotaro's flares are indeed canon to an extent.
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>Zamasu kills all your friends
>stupid fucking goku brings some god from somewhere that destroys the entire fucking universe so they can never be brought back
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http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/95432

>BAD END.
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>>149966602

What did Toei mean by this
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>>149966735
>those Superfags claiming that the people at 2chan liked the ending

I'm glad to know they were saying shit
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I like Zangya
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>>149966726
>>149966735

literally worse than the Chrono Trigger bad end.
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>>149966708
The manga was called a fucking advertisement for the anime and has shown it time and time again with the rushed arcs. BoG and Frieza was a chapter each, U6 lasted 3 chapters, and seems like Mirai will also last about 4 chapters at most as the new Arc starts in December.
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>>149966726
To be fair
Trunk's universe was pretty shitty already.
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>>149966684

[muffled NINGEN in the distance]
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He's back boys
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>>149966551
MY DAUGHTER IS NOT A WHORE
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>>149966814
>>149966708

Why the fuck is the manga not weekly?
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>>149966814
it was called "promotion" for the [Dragon Ball Super] franchise in brackets, show me proof of it ever stating that it was for the "anime"
Pro tip: the very poster you're misquoting from the VJump reveal didn't even say anime.
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>>149966835
More like Godhan
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>>149966814
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/10/14/shueisha-establishes-new-dragon-ball-room-initiative-support-future-content/

>the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (the original story of which is overseen by Toriyama) is serialized. Iyoku says that, “in practical terms you can think of it as handling both the rights and editing. It’s a new experiment to have a department that only thinks about Dragon Ball.”

Get cucked Toeishill (or newfag) either or.
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Launch vs Mai?
Who is better?
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>>149966954
Lunch
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>>149966926
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>>149966885
Because it's not canon and nobody but autists care about it at this point. The fucking hack is copying AF panels for fucks sake.

>>149966893
So it was advertisement for itself? Is that really your best argument? Don't make me laugh. The DBS franchise is the anime, there is nothing else besides the manga, which is again, advertisement only. It's for people like you that they had to repeat like 50 times that Zamasu was immortal.
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>>149966954
>>149966966
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>>149966954

blonde launch > Mai > Blue Launch
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>>149966993
you must be a fucking newfag because we've gone over this a million times in the last 3 months
>>149966950
>>149966950
>>149966950
>>149966950
>>149966950
>>149966950
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>>149966984
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>>149966993
>So it was advertisement for itself?
no it's clearly promoting the dragon ball franchise (to sell video games, merchandise, toys, tv ad revenue etc)
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>>149967007
Hahaha I seriously need to watch Dragon Ball!
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how are 2 pairs of Trunks and Mais going to live along in the same timeline?

fusion/orgy when?
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>zamasu actually won

really makes you think
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>>149967026
Nobody here takes you seriously, that's why you have to repeat it a million times. You are not convincing anybody.
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>>149966993
>The DBS franchise is the anime
>Toeishills actually believe this
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>>149967066
>the dragon ball franchise
Dragon Ball SUPER franchise, which has no actual game right now
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>>149967086
Anime


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/


>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.


>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/


>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.


Manga


http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/


>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.


>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!


https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579


>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking
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>>149967094
>the manga is advertisement for itself
>AFags actually believe this
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>>149967116
Fusions, Xenoverse 2 both have Super content. XV2 even came with a manga by Toyotaro and Toriyama.
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>>149967119
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/


>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!
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>>149965205
He still fucking won in the end, Future Zeno basically erased everyone in the Future world (aka multiverse)
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>>149967149
the manga is promotion for the [Dragon Ball Super] franchise like they stated in the reveal. What is so hard to comprehend? If you're so right how come you aren't posting proof of anything?
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>>149967119
>outdated interviews
This is exactly why nobody takes you seriously. When you start arguing the manga is advertisement for itself and that the anime, which is far ahead of the manga, uses the manga as reference, you know you are a joke.
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>>149967213
How cucked are you going to feel in the upcoming months when the manga is going ahead with the new canon arc while the anime is stuck in filler hell for months?
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>>149967152
>Fusions
You mean that game that only had Black as DLC?
>Xenoverse 2
Black barely made it in, all U6 fighters except Hit are DLC, no Champa or Vados.
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>>149967236
Super anime is already getting in the new arc in less than a month
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>>149967263
As long as it has Goku in Whis' Gi and Vegeta in the new armor your argument is irelevant.
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Mai just wants to get DP'd by two trunks's, thats why she went to the future
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>>149967296
no they aren't, it's not even revealed yet (which is coming up in December at Jump Fiesta)
Hit coming back for more filler isn't the new "canon arc" you dipshit.
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>>149967236
It will actually go as it has gone so far
>Anime is ending the arc
>Manga is only beginning
>Manga is forced to rush the arc again and end the main villain in 1 chapter, making him/her loon like he/she wasn't really a threat
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>>149967236
Super is getting a new arc before the Manga can release two chapters

get cucked mangafag
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>>149967317
hot
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>>149965205
He'll do a guest appearance in the tournament.
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>>149967344
Anime is getting a new arc
wow more filler, how fantastic! I bet you loved Jelly Vegeta you turboshill.
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So why didn't Zamasu just pull of the "become the universe" trick since the beginning? Apparently remaking the entire universe is very easy in Dragon Ball.
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>>149965205
I already miss the memes

I hope the next arc has memes this good

Can we have a Gowasu/Zamasu meme dump so I can save them all?
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>>149966405

Is that a ballsack?
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>>149967299
That's RoF, not DBS.

>>149967204
>[Dragon Ball Super] franchise
Which is the anime.
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>>149966834
>149966621
4 u
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>Whis has something better than the jar Goku had to seal Zamasu
>he is going to seal him in a tea pot
>he is going to give the pot to Gowasu
>Zamasu must eternally listen to Gowasu
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>>149967336
>>Anime is ending the arc
>>Manga is only beginning
that's not how it works considering the manga will be ahead of the anime. How can something be "only beginning" when it's ahead while the anime is still in filler? You seem to lack logic.
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>>149967365
I bet you loved the Mario Kart waste of a month that will force your precious manga to end Black in 1 fucking Chapter, cuck.
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>>149967078

Kinda sad these things were retconned to be temporary.

What was even the point of revealing that the Dragon balls could undo the fusion?
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>>149967327
I'm sure they made a key visual for a filler
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Zamasu won in the end.

All is well.
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>>149967386
>Which is the anime.
Says who? One dumb Toeicuck?
>>149967418
And I bet you loved going back and forth like retards forgetting seals and senzus, Black and Zamasu getting BTFO'd by mere tear gas, Black pulling out shadowclones and scythes out of his asshole and finally the Causal Loop Time Paradox of Zamasu.
Cuckies gonna cuck.
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>Zamasu unintentionally completed the Zero-Ningen plan

Zeno nuked all the universes so there is no more mortal life in the future

He won boys
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>Zamasu become so strong he was able to affect other timelines
>Zeno cannot effect other timelines. in fact, he's not even aware they exist.

That's pretty stupid.
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>>149967411
>considering the manga will be ahead of the anime
Like it has been so far amirite? :^)
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>>149967419
fusion is permanent when a supreme kai is involved
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>people keep replying to the manga autist

stop, seriously
he keeps saying Hit was shit in the anime literally just to defend the manga
he never offered any other arguments than ''it's shit and it's stupid'' for Hit's anime stuff

stop replying you fucking double ningens
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>Trunks cutting Zamasu in half
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY
Hilarious. Went from being the savoir to fucking everything up.
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>>149967459
To be fair, Black had gone through that time fracture before. That's probably what he did then, especially considering Goku and Vegeta must have gone back and forth at least 3 round trips (5 if you count the trips before and after zeno blew up everything)
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>>149967460
Not only did Toriyama voice his concern for the low quality of the anime, now he's taking things into his own hands by having the manga ahead of the anime so Toeishills can stick to replicating the real deal.

>What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35834
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>>149966456
>when the dab hits and you realize that the universe itself is a ningen
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>>149967496
>double ningens

ZAMASU
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I really do wish the manga was more than an advertisement and was allowed to go at its own pace.

It's honestly much better than the anime when compared scene by scene. It just has the worst pacing issues because it needs to match up with the weekly show when going at a speed of one chapter per month.

Really feels like missed potential.
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>>149967496
>he keeps saying Hit was shit in the anime literally just to defend the manga
Hit was fucking shit in the manga though
>Muh growth!! I'ma make my Timestop longer! xD
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>>149967453
>Says who?
Says the fact that if it isn't the anime, the manga would be advertisement for itself. You argument falls flat based on the fact that the DBS anime is part of said DBS Franchise, while the manga is nothing but advertisement for the franchise. So even if the franchise is not the anime alone, all the manga is doing is advertising the anime, along with whatever else is part of the DBS franchise.
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>>149967454
>goku, vegeta, bulma, mai, trunks, all ningen
>survived
>completed the ZERO ningen plan
nice try ZAMASU
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>>149967551
Goku vs Hit was the shittest fight the Manga has had apart from Piccolo vs Frost
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>>149966383
I hate his meme.
The manga is canon for the manga and the anime is canon to the anime.
Just like GT's continuity is only relevant to GT, even if it's based on other DB media.
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>yet another DBS thread turns into anime vs manga

this is why Zamasu was right
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>>149965614
Where did this meme come from, it's posted in every damn DBS thread.

I don't understand.
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>>149967563
To be fair Mai and Trunks are the only ningen from that universe to survive

Fine, it's the 2 ningen plan. Out of 12 universes I think they did pretty well.
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>>149967555
You clearly lack logic because the anime doesn't define a franchise.
Especially in the past but now again in the present, Dragon Ball content is going to be led by the manga first. You have to come to fucking terms with that you dumb Toeishill.
This was the case with the introduction of Champa and U6 while the anime was recapping the movies, and this is going to the case again with the new Toriyama's canon arc.
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>the only way to defeat Zamasu was delet the whole timeline with every soul included or he would infect every existing timeline

Autism was strong
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>>149967585
zamasu was never wrong anon


It's mainly because animefags keep taking the shitty bait from mangafags
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>>149967453
>And I bet you loved going back and forth like retards forgetting seals and senzus
It was fun actually, and it established Zamasu and Black as actual threats, unlike the manga.

>Black and Zamasu getting BTFO'd by mere tear gas
You know Goku and Vegeta can't breathe in space, right? And Beyond God Vegeta is unable to lift 100 tons in the Manga.

Meanwhile Black and Zamasu will job in the manga just like Hit did, wow, so much fun.
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okay, so Black's "time ring" allowed him to choose different futures for him to find one without Beerus.

Okay, I got that, but there is another question.

Why didn't "Cell's time machine" take them to the future where Cell killed Trunks?
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>gohan comes back and he has THE LOOK again

Now all we need is a Chi Chi arc where she decides to train to spend more time with Goku, and wear an update version of her armor and we will be set
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>>149967567
not as shit as the plothole swiss cheese mess of the anime.
The emphasis on power levels, stamina, energy drains, channeling energy for spellcasting was all more interesting than "Kaiokek in God form! xDDD
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>>149967595
>mai and trunks will be creating new ningen soon
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>>149967661
>that obvious sweating from training
>arrives alongside Piccolo

It's happening.
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>>149967585

They will live on in our hearts forever.
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>>149967671
in a different universe so it's fine

What are the odds Trunks will cuck himself?
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>>149967655
>And Beyond God Vegeta is unable to lift 100 tons in the Manga.
what's your point? Goku didn't lift that many tons in the Buu saga while training with King Kai either.
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>>149967686
>What are the odds Trunks will cuck himself?

Why not just have an inter-temporal foursome?

Double the Mai and Double the Monkey DICK
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>>149967588
>False SSJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24uIs1sTLhQ

I fucking hate most DBZ movies but I thought this was a cool foreshadow moment for when Goku eventually goes SSJ on Namek.

It's a cool look as well.

>Slug: "My word he's mad!"
Something about that just gets me everytime
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>>149965205
8/10 and also my favorite DB arc

I... just didn't like how it ended, it felt rushed with this last episode.
I get that Zamasu became Giygas because due to his immortality he simply lost his physical form, but I would have liked him to actually say something instead of just laughing.

The Zeno thing was funny and it was kinda fucked up to see what an empty broken multiverse looks like

I didn't quite understand Whis' solution, so if anyone here could explain it I'd be grateful

All in all it was a pretty good arc with a pretty good villain who kinda won in the end. Just wasn't a fan of episode 67.
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>>149967463

Yes, it was retconned to only be permenent with Kais.
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>>149966672
>training with scholar clothes
Give up already anon
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>>149967715

too bad the Potaras got retconned,
Trunks could permanently fuse with his other self and become God of destruction-tier
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>>149967740
>I get that Zamasu became Giygas because due to his immortality he simply lost his physical form, but I would have liked him to actually say something instead of just laughing
I guess Zamasu just lost his mind after Trunks cut his dick or whatever the Kaoishins had under their pants
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Gohanfags get the last laugh.

Happy for you faggots because they don't just change his appearance back to that of mystic gohan for nothing.

Until the next arc
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>>149967602
>the anime doesn't define a franchise
It is part of the franchise, unlike the manga which is only advertisement. So the manga is one way or another advertisement for the anime.

>This was the case with the introduction of Champa and U6 while the anime was recapping the movies
And the manga lost its edge by the Winnie Poo fight, the very beginning of the Arc. And you will get cucked again like you did with that U6 arc.
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>>149967679
>training

Sure buddy.
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>>149967658
time machine is manual, time ring is automatic
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>>149967764
>GT Has Super 17
>Super gets Super Trunks fused with himself

It would have been like pottery.
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>>149967789
Yeah but it would have been cool and creepy if he actually said something instead of just laughing.
He could have talked Giygas style

>Z A M A S U
>TRUNKSTRUNKSTRUNKSTRUNKSTRUNKS
>NINGEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
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Was Gohan sweating because he was thanking the Doc?
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>>149967740

Instead of killing Zamasu and repeating the previous events, he likely has a way to pluck Zamasu out of time itself without causing the events of this arc to happen again.

Angel magic or some shit.

>>149967764

He could always just fuse with a Kai then with his Alt Self.

Perma Kai Trunks with LSSJB powers.

>>149967762

>training with scholar clothes

Why not? Odds are he likely changed after training (because he still has a job) and then rushed to see Trunks off.
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>>149967809
Was Gohan getting his daily dose?
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>>149967796
>unlike the manga which is only advertisement
stay delusional you dumb troll.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/10/14/shueisha-establishes-new-dragon-ball-room-initiative-support-future-content/

>the Dragon Ball Room falls under the umbrella of the rights division, its section chief Akio Iyoku also serves as editor-in-chief of V-Jump, where the Dragon Ball Super manga (THE ORIGINAL STORY WHICH IS OVERSEEN BY TORIYAMA) is serialized. Iyoku says that, “in practical terms you can think of it as handling both the rights and editing. It’s a new experiment to have a department that only thinks about Dragon Ball.”

Toei gets no oversight by Toriyama, therefore will never be true canon when compared to his work.
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>>149967514
>Not only did Toriyama voice his concern for the low quality of the anime
Yeah that was around Episode 7 of the anime, we are at 67 now and the quality has gone up a lot.
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>>149967740
>I didn't quite understand Whis' solution, so if anyone here could explain it I'd be grateful
He's traveling to Trunks' future but before Beerus vanished, thus creating another timeline where Beerus erases Zamasu/Black and Trunks' future would proceed as if Black never showed up
Except there'll be 2 Trunks and 2 Mais
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>>149967859

Daily dose of training.

Also why doesn't the Z-team make a wish to extend the Time Chamber limit?
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>>149965205
zamasu will come back as the final boss
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>>149967868
the quality only went up because he voiced his concern.
The budget increase for the Zamasu Arc and the anime director being fired and replaced was all because Toriyama was sick of Toei's shit.
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>>149967892
What limit?
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>>149967694
This Goku can now bust universes with punches. Yet his rival can't lift 100 tons. What a fucking joke.
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>>149967909

Isn't there a limit to how many times you can enter it? Been awhile.
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>>149967911
Goku was punching the fists of a God of Destruction, it has nothing to do with how much he can lift or his power scaling.
If that was the case all fights in the Dragon Ball Super should be quaking from the universe being destroyed.
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>>149967661
And in the preview for next week he's got the same fucking face and haircut he's had for the rest of the arc.

They only probably made him look fit in this scene so it would be easier to compare him visually to Future Gohan.
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>>149967929
That shit's been thrown out the window, Vegeta and Goku used it for 3 days straights in another episode and Vegeta used it again before going to the future for the last time
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>>149967911
and yet his "rival" got KaioKUCKED in the Hit arc, your argument is invalid.
At least the manga kept his character in tact by shifting the blame to his pride in showcasing and teaching Cabba.
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>>149967948
>And in the preview for next week he's got the same fucking face and haircut he's had for the rest of the arc.

Next week is comedy filler.
>Saiyan kids getting sick
>what are senzu beans
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So, would Future Zeno just keep floating around in nothingness for all eternity?
Doesn't he have the power to create shit?
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>>149967947
>If that was the case all fights in the Dragon Ball Super should be quaking from the universe being destroyed.
Goku learned how to control that. He still has the power to do that. Yet Vegeta can't lift 100 tons.
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>>149967997
>Goku learned how to control that
says who?
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>>149967872
But... it's not the same timeline, it's not the same people
And so in the end Trunks failed, this is pretty fucking dark
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>>149967948
IT'S FILLER
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>tfw we'll never hear the Black Goku theme when something hype starts happening ever again

NINGENSSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>149967984
I know Super isn't fond of the continuity but senzu beans don't cure sickness. That's why Goku needed the future medicine from Trunks
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>>149967997
the universe cracking stems from colliding fists with a God of Destruction. It has nothing to do with Goku being so powerful the universe quakes with his punches alone you idiot.
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>>149965596
Because he was even prouder of his musuko this time around, having learned that he won't grow up to be a giant pussy.
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>>149967681
I miss them
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I'm kind of disappointed that Zeno isn't standing above timelines.
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>>149968011
replace zamasu with toyotaro apologists and ningen with people without brain problems
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>>149968011
>>149967984
Oh, I'm well aware that it's filler, but I figured if he was going to be trained up then that would be his new design and it would be somewhat consistent, even in filler?

Then again, I'm not sure how - or when - filler episodes are produced.
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>>149965930
Change writer names to Trunks and Mai
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>>149968064
Nah, it's funnier like this
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>>149967977
The manga turned Hit into a weakling that can barely match SSG let alone SSB, making the U6 arc a waste of time.

Vegeta getting cucked and surpassed by Goku shouldn't be a surprise by now, even then Goku abused the Kaioken against Hit and now he can only use it for short bursts like against Zamasu.
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Will Kid Trunks finally have his growth spurt now?
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He'll be back.

Denial is the first stage.
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>>149968077
He was already beat up as fuck after fighting god knows how many Black clones and wrecking his own hands with the overpowered kamehameha, no shit he didn't have enough stamina to make kaioken last longer
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>>149968003
The anime. He learned it before the 3rd clash destroyed the universe.

>>149968037
Goku was colliding with equal force, that's the whole reason why he could cancel the waves. Yes, he is THAT strong.
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>>149965205
Gowasu is cute
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>>149968100
>implying he won't come back during the tournament arc
I'm going to crash this tournament, with no ningens
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>>149968116
If he does it longer he risks never ever being able to fight again.
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>>149965205
We'll be singing
when we're winning
we'll be singing
I get knocked down
but i get up again
you're never going to keep me down
Pissing the night away
He drinks a whisky drink
he drinks a vodka drink
he drinks a lager drink
he drinks a cider drink
he sings the songs that remind him of the good times
he sings the songs that remind him of the better times:
"oh danny boy, danny boy..."
I get knocked down
but i get up again
you're never going to keep me down
Pissing the night away
He drinks a whisky drink
he drinks a vodka drink
he drinks a lager drink
he drinks a cider drink
he sings the songs that remind him of the good times
he sings the songs that remind him of the better times:
"don't cry for me next door neighbor..."
I get knocked down
but i get up again
you're nevre going to keep me down
We'll be singing
when we're winning
we'll be singing
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>>149968083
Fucking hell that just reminded me that we'll never see adult Mai again. LITERALLY the best thing to come out of this arc.
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What wish could possible Beerus want from Shenron?
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>>149968217
Make Puddin' canon.
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>>149968217

Pudding.
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>>149968053
If I was god of everything there would be no reason for me to transcend timelines in a world I created.
And who the fuck would expect some human managed to make a time machine?
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>>149968217
Ramen
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>>149967826
Well, we did had a Super Zamasu. It was double the Zamasu in soul, basically.
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So is the implication at the end that Gohan was so assblasted by nobody including Future Trunks telling him what was going on this entire time that he started training again?
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What will the "next enemy" be like?
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>tfw those little kids who were rooting for Trunks are dead now
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>>149968287
Hit.
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>>149968275
It was more that he seen how rough future Trunk's life had been pretty much non-stop while he was living it up pumping out kids and banging his hot wife, and how obviously nobody in his timeline, including his own future self was strong enough to protect people.
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>>149968310
>Power of friendship BTFO
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>>149968217
Ad edible immoral waifu made of pudding.
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>>149968287

GOWASU
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>>149968287
He can Stop time inside a Time stop.
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>>149968333
Actually, Goku vs Hit rematch is just a filler minor arc.
The next major arc will be revealed at Jump Fiesta by Toriyama himself
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Wouldn't Black just find a different timeline to snag a Zamasu from?
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Anyone else annoyed that Zeno doesn't transcend universes
Now the whole thing about him deleting 6 or whatever doesn't really make sense
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>>149968333
>the strongest DB villain to date will literally just be a poor man's Dio

Killing off Zamasu was a mistake.
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So did Toei just not realize all the fridge horror that deleting Trunks' entire timeline entailed

or did they but they just try to play it off as not as horrifying as it actually is
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>>149968209
We can't say that for sure. They might come back for a later arc, maybe even for the tournament, who knows.
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>mfw Zamasu and Black ending was so dark and sad that Hit coming to kill Goku seems kinda lighthearted
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>this ending is somehow worse than KLK

wew lad. is this a new theme amongst japanese writers where we force people to sit through 4-6 hours of story "building" before a sequence of asspulls from the protag and antag invalidates everything?
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>>149968310
One of the best things to happen in this arc.
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>>149968439
It's a very old theme
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>>149968389
That wasn't an alternate universe version of him, it was an alternate timeline version.

There is only 1 who looks over all the universes, this whole time fuckery shit with future Trunks simply meant it was possible for there to be 2 now, as he summoned the "future's" Zeno.

Basically universes and timelines are seperate from each other.
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>>149968421
They embraced it.
It's a bittersweet ending. He survived, but the whole timeline was ruined.
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>>149968389
He does transcend universes tho? He doesn't transcend TIMELINES. He literally destroyed EVERYTHING in that timeline.
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>>149968310
technically they're not dead because the afterlife was deleted too

they're worse than dead, they were de-existified and exist only as a memory in Trunk and Mai's mind. Same with everyone who died to the Androids and even Future Bulma
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>>149965205
Damn looks like I need to get caught up in Super.
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So wait, is the timeline that Trunks and Mai are going to one where there's already a fucking Future Trunks and Future Mai?

How will Trunks keep himself from getting NTR'd?
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>>149968478

Thank you based Zamasu(and Zenchan).
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>>149968524
Make one of the Trunkses dye his hair purple and one of the Mais wear blue contact lenses.
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>>149968458
You should also consider how they actually name the timelines, they call them ''worlds''

Basically, all universes put together form a ''world''. There are at least five ''worlds'' because of time-travel shenanigans.
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>>149968406
You mean poor man's Diavolo

>>149968287
It wouldn't make sense but I'd like to see an enemy that doesn't use ki as a resource. Might introduce some cool concepts and abilities
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>>149968582
>You mean poor man's Diavolo

Actually, Hit is King Crimson done right
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>>149968456

feel like toriyama is laughing at everyone for watching this
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>>149968582
>It wouldn't make sense
you're in the right series. hold on a minute while i scribble a plot outline into a napkin
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>>149968083
>There'll be a period of a few years where Mai is twice his height and they're roughly the same age
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>>149967007
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why couldn't josuke just restore zamasu into his pre immortal form and kill him?
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>>149968217
The wish for Shenron to obediently fuck off, like the beta dragon he is.
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>>149968074
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>Tfw the other Future Trunks is going to be made bitch made by the Alpha Super Trunks
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>>149968683
Man, Dave Lang has hit on some hard times.

Pretty godlike.
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>>149965620
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>>149968713
>The "I'm you, but stronger" meme literally becomes Trunk's reality.
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>>149968713
At least now Trunks isn't the only saiyan in his timeline.
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>>149968004
Yeah, you see him crying for that
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>>149968713
The other Future Trunks is the one who becomes Time Patroller Trunks, that is so obvious

I bet that's how they'll explain it in Xenoverse when they touch the Zamasu saga
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>>149968758
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>>149968713
Nah, it'll be like Nu 52-Post crisis supes, with F. Trunks and Mai having a son and living in a shed while the other two do their thing.
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>>149968796
Oh shit, that would actually be kind of impressive.
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>>149968814
Notice how Future Trunks and DBS Punished Trunks are two different characters in two different slots in Xenoverse 2
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>>149968807
>One pair has a son
>The other pair has a daughter
>They grow up to commit accidental incest
>The Saiyan line continues
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really pleased with how 67 ended. that part with gohan at the end was just wonderful. i dont mind if there are several filler eps that follow, because the goku black/zamasu arc was pretty good, in retrospect.
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>>149968796
so what Super Future Trunks is going to get to fuck both Mais?
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>>149968796
I JUST WANT
TO SEE CUTIE OF TIME
BEING CANON
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>>149968839
Having two of each will make repopulating the earth with saiyans a lot faster.
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>>149968796
So his hair turns blue somewhere after defeating Dabura?
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>>149968837
I'd never really stopped to think when/where PATROLLER Trunks came from, I knew he seemed wimpier/weaker than DBZ Trunks and DBS Trunks though.
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He gave us one last meme to end the saga
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so what was the point of the genki dama sword and all that let's beat zamasu together shit if everyone just unceremoniously and meaninglessly suffers a fate worse than death right after
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>>149968873
He is from Cell's timeline.
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>>149968875

Truly the best DB villain.
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>>149967904
IT WOULD have been better if zamasu never fused and later on ended up fusing as final boss. Thus making potara more useful with vegetto and finding a way to asspull the zamasu soul
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>>149968893

This is not your Grandpa's Dragonball anon, this is serious business, it's weird, it's crazy, it's memetic and everyone suffers.
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>>149968287
DIO
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>>149968893
It's a Toei thing. In the manga only trunks and mai are alive in that timeline. There's no resistance, yajirobe, little shits or any of the other survivors.
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>>149965709
They were happy.

A reminder that Japan hating Gohan was ALWAYS a false rumor started, if you look at the popularity polls during the time when Gohan was put in the spotlight, he was taking first place.

Toriyama is the one who dislikes Gohan, because Gohan isn't EASY MODE for Gags like Goku is.
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>>149965246
delicious tears ningen Zamasu did nothing wrong
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>>149968919
Well, Super's entire premise is to make the gods relevant.
That is the kind of shit you'd expect from gods.
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>you'll never hear Black say ROSE ever again
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it was a fun arct, asspulls but still fun
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I wish Gohan could go back to being the beast he was when he defeated the full power form of Cell. What the actual fuck happened to him.
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so is the point at which Trunks and Mai are being dropped off at before or after Majin Buu arc. Since if it's before Dabura is about to get fucked by a level capped Super Future Trunks
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>tfw Zamasu made cell and buu look like frieza henchmen

how the fuck can you even top this? How useless does gohan and the rest of the z fighters feel atm
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>>149968978

Before, Whis said he would tell Beerus so it has to be before Supreme Shota gets rekt.
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>>149968875
I will miss Zamasu and Black
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What's going on in he...
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>literally "but the future refused to change" ending

is this arc kino?
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>>149968974
Toriyama is a gag manga author.

He likes writing gags. He likes the poop on the stick.

Gohan is not a character that's as easy to write doing stupid shit that makes Toriyama laugh like Goku forgetting the seal for the Mafuba so an entire universe gets nuked.
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So do you think Present Trunks will grow up to be better than Future Trunks as a result of his interactions with his future self

and do you think that meeting their future selves increased the odds of Mai and Trunks getting together eventually in the present or did it fuck them over since they'll always compare one a other to their idealized memories of their future versions
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>>149967661
>tfw no chi chi with her hair down
Life is suffering.
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>>149969027

Yes.
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>>149968974
>>149968974
>>149968974
Gohan is a boring character and not liked in Japan because he is boring. He is nerfed for a reason
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>>149966814
Why the fuck are you lying you dumb piece of shit? BoG was 3 chapters, and the U6 tournament was 10
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fuckin useless horrible subs
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>>149969049
No. Had the World Tournament continued in EoZ, Vegeta would have eventually had to fight him, and you know he's not beating Vegeta with the way he was in EoZ.
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>>149969049
>and do you think that meeting their future selves increased the odds of Mai and Trunks getting together eventually in the present or did it fuck them over since they'll always compare one a other to their idealized memories of their future versions
Didn't you see how kid Mai was looking at kid Trunks after seeing her future self with F Trunks? She's ready to start grooming him.
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>>149968133
>The anime. He learned it before the 3rd clash destroyed the universe.
that doesn't prove shit, it's all relative to trying to equalize the God of Destruction's power.
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>>149969037
Wait, is Toriyama the marvel of manga?
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What does he mean by this?
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>Things always managed to work out in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z
>Good always won in the end and the day was saved
>Super literally ends an arc with an entire universe being vaporized, even peoples souls all because Goku was too fucking stupid to do one thing
>And yet nobody will ever blame Goku or punish him for it

This was just so needlessly grim for Dragonball. I just don't understand who in Toei thought this was a good idea?
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>>149969118
Kids Trunks already surpassed Future Trunks pre time chamber as a child though
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>>149969227
And by the time he's 18 in EoZ, he's busy fucking around with Goten and being a tard.
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>>149968053
this desu. I wanted ONE ZEN CHAN.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>149969211
his anus
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>>149969221
Toriyama thought it was a good idea, because he wanted things to become so needlessly convoluted with 2 Trunks/Mais/Zenos that it gets out of hand for a future arc again.

That's why, instead of ya know, just having Zeno reset that particular timeline and revive everyone.
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>>149969256
They will eventually get bored and then fyuuuu-sion- HA!
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>>149969221
Eh, humanity being wiped and then earth being destroyed by Buu was pretty grim.
That arc felt a lot more apocalyptic even though the destruction was on a lower scale.
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>>149969252
running around and being a tard after all this would be contrary to any and all development he's shown after this, especially if Mai is supposed to be looking after him
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What happens if one Future Trunks NTRs the other Future Trunks and both Mais have a son of the same Future Trunks, but only one Future Trunks knows about it and keeps it a secret?
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>>149969221

>implying it wasn't great
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>>149969280
i read EoZ recently, I don't remember him fucking around besides slacking off in training, I think that's what anon meant.
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>>149969280
Well too bad, EoZ is 4 years after this.
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>>149969290
I assume that Super Future Trunks and Mai will live a hermit lifestyle like Goku did and only visit occasionally or Super Trunks will save the day at times due to being exponentially stronger than new Future Trunks
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>>149968956
So was Super Zamasu as strong as Vegitto?
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>people are excited for Gohan for some reason
>when we already know from EoZ that he goes back to jobbing and being unfit to defend earth
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>>149965636
He's an allegory for Jews.
Just think about it.
All of them are one powerful family mentoring the Gods, meaning they control Multiverse.
Poor Zeno is unaware of that fact.
In the end, it will be a great battle between Whis' whole family vs. the world, just like US election where Goku will be Donald Trump and other fighters based centipedes.
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Friendly reminder that due to how the bracket was set up she had to get by Goten and Trunks or Vegeta to win the Tournament.
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>>149969358

Don't think so, but he looked like he was close, he as at least able to trade blows with him.

Doesn't make sense that he was weaker though, Black alone was stronger than Goku and Vegeta so the fusion should've been stronger than their fusion, but i guess because he was mortal and because Zamasu was weaker it just fucked him up.
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>>149968949
God damn, I miss him already
Why tori why?
Why did you kill best boy and his faggot self
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Mai really hit the jackpot if you think about it
>be unmarriageable criminal cake
>become young
>either wind up with Future Best Boy or marry into the wealthiest family possible
I guess the bad news for present Mai is that there's no way Present Trunks doesn't absolutely disappoint compared to the future version in basically every way except access to money
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>>149969358
Super Zamasu is weaker than Vegito, he simply has immortality and tank those attacks, he would have died several times. We don;t know what would have happened when Vegito released that bluish ki punch that destroyed zamasus' face before they splitted
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>>149968949
>>149969450
I miss Zamasu and Black, they are my favorite villains, even more than Super Buu, which I always thought was the best Buu.
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>>149969221
get rekt ningen scum
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Good night sweet prince
PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS
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>best voice-acting
>best development
>best techniques
>best motivation
>best plan
>best accomplishments
>best fusion
>best asspulls
>best maniacal laughter

best villain tbqh
he'll be missed
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>>149968846
I was going to literally drop this show after the last few episodes but that fucktarded ending made me interested in it. The nice thing about Super is that despite being bad, it can be bad in hilariously unpredictable ways.
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>>149969414
Vegeta probably killed himself after losing to a 4 year old quarter-Saiyan girl.
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>>149969588
how can purple-dick-head-time-stop man even compete?
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>>149969588
>tbqh
Kill yourself.
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>>149969588
he was a villain on par with baby and majin buu, truly
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>>149969588
You forgot
>actually won
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>>149969588
I'm going to miss them
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>>149969588
You forgot
>achieved his goal
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>>149968875
>>149969017
You can repay me by bringing Black back.
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>>149968974
>Beast
Must have been the american writing because all I remember is him being a whiney bitch who only was usefull when throwing a tantrum.
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>>149969211
Beerus sealed old Kai in the sword for many generations of supreme kai so probably something like that.
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Why did Zamasu use the super dragon balls to take goku's body? Why not Beerus or U10 god of destruction? They're clearly much stronger than goku or black ever were.
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>>149965710
>Kid Trunks will never fawn over Future Mai and turn into a lovesick little puppy around her.
>Future Mai will never praise Kid Trunks for things he asks her to watch him do, whether it's training with Vegeta or his future self, or something completely stupid yet impressive.
>Kid Mai will never experience jealousy over her future self.
>Future Trunks will never act as a big brother figure to his past self, helping Kid Trunks grow past his more immature and bratty tendencies.
>Future Mai will never offer her past self advice on how to win Kid Trunk's heart, or relationship advice in general.
>NO FUCKING DBZ KART EPISODE

God fucking dammit. I blame Toriyama and Toei entirely for this.
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>>149969755
Dubs always deliver in some way...

US dub made him a better character overall so that's basically it.
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>>149969849
tfw we will never see Old Kai ningen reee story
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>>149969883
Their powers are not as bullshit as zenkai.
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I WON FILTHY NINGENS!
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Android 8 was in the same position for all those episodes
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>>149969588
No other villain in the series had intentions this good.
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>>149969645
>>149969682
That's what I meant with ''best accomplishments''
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ayoo hol up
So you guys are saying that Whis takes Future Mai and Trunks to another timeline when Beerus destroys Zamasu and no fighting is needed, but also Another Future Trunks and Mai live in that timeline already, so they end up with two pairs?

Does that mean that Another Future Trunks and Mai never got to meet each other because Black never happened, and potentially, there wasn't an even in where the two of them fought together?
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>Literally everyone I knew except a bunch of jobbers from another timeline are dead
>"Well uuhhhhh I can take you to live in another timeline where you don't know most of those people and you'll be some weird impostors for your other selves. Or you could just stay in this universe with the jobbers you alread kno-
>Nah that's fine, dopplegangerverse sounds great. I forgot my dead mother already

This show has lost its goddamn mind.
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>>149970127
>Does that mean that Another Future Trunks and Mai never got to meet each other because Black never happened

Yep
And people are theorizing ''Another Future Trunks'' is the one who becomes Time Patroller Trunks
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>>149970148
Remember when they could have just wished on the Dragon Balls in the other universe to revive everyone in that timeline? Or ya know, Zeno could have just reset that timeline to before Zamasu caused problems, and then just have taken care of him?

Zeno is a ticking time bomb.
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>>149970162
>tfw XV2 just introduced that there were 2 Time Patroller Trunks active
>tfw one of them saves F. Gohan and the other doesn't

The one that saves F. Gohan is the F. Trunks we all know and love, the Trunks we play with in Xenoverse is the new Alternate Trunks. F. Trunks we know saved him after seeing Gohan one final time.

You know its true, you know it in your heart.
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>>149969883
He was obsessed with Goku.
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>>149970212
Purple hair though.
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>>149968083
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>>149970192

I literally cannot believe we witnessed in the space of two episodes:

>Trunk wrecks Zamasu with the spirit-bomb like power of the remaining people on Earth
>Everyone on Earth dies, including a fucking adorable little girl that kept his broken sowrd for him
>Trunks stops being sad, gives up entirely on getting his universe back and decides to live with copies of said people
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>>149970192
>Remember when they could have just wished on the Dragon Balls in the other universe to revive everyone in that timeline?

The regular dragon balls aren't powerful enough for that
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>>149970245
They both meet each other in that timeline randomly, and then quickly leave trying not to explain anything.

They then both dye it back to what it was when he was younger so they don't get each other confused. But they both accidentally end up doing it.
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>>149970258
I guess Toriyama was made that people like Future Trunks so much, so he decided to rip away everything from him. F. Gohan, his mother, his timeline, his entire reason for fighting his entire life.

Toriyama is a sick bastard.
>>149970260
They aren't, but the Super Dragon Balls are and they still exist in Goku's timeline. Zeno for sure as shit is and it would have taken him the exact same amount of effort to just reset the timeline than it would have for him to destroy him.

Zeno is the final villain. Just wait, he'll fuse with the other Zeno and they'll snap on all the universes and timelines left.
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>>149970260

We have an entire show based around new dragonballs that are crazy powerful and Goku is now buddies with TWOOOOO COUNT EM TWOOOOOOO LORDS OF ALL CREATION

This ending to the arc is fucking asinine however you cut it.
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>>149969588

Yeah yeah yeah, great villain, too bad the arc itself was dogshit.
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>ningens are back
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Goku told trunks he could beat anyone he wanted take asspull
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>>149966191
Zamasu wanted there to be planets, plants, etc.

Otherwise he would've blown up planets from orbit
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>>149970258
Yeah, I naturally expected some bullshit going into this but hitting the Zeno button just rendered this entire arc completely pointless
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>>149967764
>Trunks fusing with himself
>Fucking both Mais with the same might.

I'd read that doujin
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>>149969055
is there more of a [LAUGHING AT NINGENS INTENSIFIES] image than this?
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>>149970554

The crazy thing is hitting the Zeno button fiex NOTHING, they just wrote a ridiculously bleak ending for no goddamn reason!
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>>149969156
No, that would be kubo, except for his case it's unintentional
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>>149970258
That's because it was the toriyama plot line

But in the toriyama plot line, only mai and trunks were ever alive before he time traveled back
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>>149970603
>no reason

it enstablished how powerful and scary Zeno can be, there's your goddamn reason
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>>149970301
Super dragon balls do not work on other timelines

Which is why black only destroyed future trunks timeline SDBs
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>>149968478

Jesus Christ how horrifying.
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>>149970678
Nobody won in the end.

Trunks' real father, real mother, the real Z-Fighters, Goku, Gohan, etc. They're all gone, forever, outside of their weird clone variants now.

Zeno destroyed all of them, and Goku is responsible for it all.
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>>149968478
thats legitimately horrifying
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>>149968478
Afterlife was always retconned in future trunks world anyway, otherwise piccolo could've talked to gohan or king Kai to find new namek (like how goku did in the cell arc by asking king Kai)
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>>149970751
Only certain people got to keep their bodies in the afterlife. Goku was a rare exception because of all of his 'good deeds'.

I wonder if he'll get to keep it once Hit is done with him after all this shit he's caused?

You are also now aware that Goku has gotten King Kai killed twice now.
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>>149970603

going to say this again. its kill la kill all over again.

what the fuck is it with these japs and fucking up storytelling? there is only so much deus ex machina you can do before even children realize its dumb
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>>149970782
Goku wasn't rare at all, grandpa gohan got a body as well

So did Yamcha, tien, piccolo

What is different between getting killed in combat vs nappa than androids?
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nothingness is better than suffering Goku did nothing wrong
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>>149970751
Goku was probably like "Gohan has this, he's got potential".

Then when Gohan died, Piccolo gave the Cell Games speech again and was like "GOHAN ISN'T YOU GOKU, HE DOESN'T LOVE TO FIGHT!"
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Is Xenoverse canon?
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>>149966456
So he essentially became Giygas? That's weird for dragonball.
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>>149970826
They didn't keep their bodies in the manga. That whole King Kai stuff with them was pure filler.
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>>149970843
That doesn't mean dead piccolo or dead goku or dead gohan would suddenly be fine with letting earth be run over by androids

It's inconsistent with what happened already when they were dead previously. They always tried to stop threats
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>>149970899
Well Gohan knew the time machine was gonna be built and that Trunks would take care of it anyways. Goku probably didn't give a fuck because all his friends were already dead and half the time he doesn't even call or check in regardless when he's dead.

Piccolo, I'll give you.
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>>149970875
And grandpa gohan? He didn't even know kami let alone king yemma

What about vegeta in the cell arc, black killed all of ningen (even other planets) and yemma gave vegeta a body to help just because of buu killing earthlings only! But he was out of the picture for Black arc I guess.

The truth is that the afterlife stuff is all thrown out for future trunks (and universe 10, remember kaioshins get afterlife body as well) and that makes it inconsistent.
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Wait... wait...

How did Trunks go to earlier version of his timeline? If he changed time machine settings in the main timeline shouldn't he go to the future of the main timeline?
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>>149971075
That is not how the time machine works
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>>149970997
Grandpa Gohan was like a Saint compared to most people in Dragon Ball. Vegeta was a rare exception. As for Black, he killed all the Kais and stuff. So he probably killed Yenma and everyone in the after life too.

You are now aware that Black went in and killed Vegeta, Piccolo, Goku (again), F. Gohan, etc.
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>>149965205
It's been a shitty arc full of asspulls, 2D villains that /a/ contrarians like to pretend are somehow deep and interesting and other various amounts of cringe.
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>>149965566
Give him a break. He just got done fucking your mother.
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>>149965759
Make DBS a show about food, where Beerus and Whis go out to try different kinds of food from all over Earth.
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>>149971119
Yes it does. It creates alternative timeline when you change the settings - it was explained in manga. So it should create alternative version of main timeline not Trunks' timeline since starting point is the main timeline now.
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>>149966856
You're right. She's just a slut.
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>>149966993
And despite all that, the manga is still ten times better than the anime. Suck on that, toeishill.
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>>149967496
Maybe the Hit fight was bad in the manga, but it was just dogshit in the anime.

>o-oh yeah, you can power up? Well, I never really worked with ki before but I'll just power up past your god form myself and btfo you Goku!
literally fuck right off, toeicucks.
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>>149971343
>Hit
>powering up

Nigga, he just realized he could do better with his time-skip if he tried and that's what he did.
He's simply stronger than Goku and we haven't seen him at his full power.
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>>149971389
Stronger than Goku even though he didn't even know Goku's level of power existed and then he just casually gets stronger than Goku, who had attained god ki and trained with a God of Destruction attendant.

It's just another obnoxious case of asspull powers, and the manga did it better because it actually made more sense there. Hit was powerful and actually knew about power that he held back - but that power had a limit.

So the Hit who had power he held back which he knew about was less powerful than the Hit in the anime who didn't know he had the power and just randomly pulled it out of his ass.

Yeah, no.
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>>149971487
Nigga, Hit was never challenged in his entire existance until Goku. That's why he never thought ''wait, I could do better than that if I tried!''. He was never threatened.
And yes, Hit happens to be stronger than Goku with god ki. So what? This is a series that always introduces stronger beings no matter at what level the MC gets.
Manga Hit is generic really, Anime Hit was something unique to the series.

Now, are you just gonna say ''it's shit and doesn't make sense'' like all the other times?
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>>149966954
Tien isn't interested. When will she get an age reversal to claim her own Saiyan?
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>>149971548
Anime Hit was nothing but another "Yes I am inexplicably stronger than you if I try to be character."

Yes, it might be typical for Dragon Ball to introduce such characters, but that doesn't stop me from preferring it when the manga injects a bit more nuance into it.

You like your "hurr durr I come out of nowhere and wreck everyone's shit." Hit like all the spics. I like the one who, even when he deliberately saved some power and knew he could go beyond the level he was at, didn't easily become more powerful than Goku with god ki.
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>>149967588
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.
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>>149971584
Dragon Ball is not the series for nuance and deep characters. Stop being stupid and bitching on people for liking more shallow characters. Sometimes people just want to see a guy who comes out of nowhere and kicks the everliving shit out of Goku, that makes him bad-ass. Like Broly.
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>>149971584
But he didn't ''become'' more powerful, he simply already was
In the entire fight he only used his time-skip ability because he wasn't allowed to kill, the only thing he ever improved was just the time-skip. Rest was constantly the same.
This makes him interesting because now I wanna see what else he can do
And this is something the manga addresses as well making the whole issue stupid because both anime and manga had the same ideas for Hit, just different executions
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>>149971681
No, he pretty much proclaims that he just pulls this power out of his ass and didn't even realize he could go this far.

That's asspulling. Not only was there no indication that he could go this far being given to the viewer, he himself didn't know it.

I know it's typical for DBZ fans to get such a character, and fine, have fun with him because he's such a bad-ass who can kick ass, like: >>149971677 said, like Broly.

The manga supplies us with a more interesting Hit who isn't just an randomly overpowered asshole for the sake of making him look cool to the audience.

I prefer the manga and gave valid reasons for it. You enjoy your anime version, I just think he's boring in comparison. Just like I thought Broly was boring.
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>>149966233
We can assume that the Angels have genders, because we all know Vados is best girl.
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>>149971740
>No, he pretty much proclaims that he just pulls this power out of his ass and didn't even realize he could go this far.

But he was referring only to the time-skip, in fact go watch the fight. He only says ''thanks to you I was able to extend my time-skip''
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>Trunks defeats Zamasu, he lives happily forever and is never heard about anymore
vs.
>Trunks defeats Zamasu, then he becomes the universe, so Goku summons Zeno to destroy the universe forever. Trunks goes back to the past where Whis promises him a place in another timeline, where Zamasu is defeated and Trunks can live happily forever and is never heard about anymore
What the fuck was the point of this episode. To see how far the asspulls can go? Or how bad the animation can get? What the fuck was that Vegeta shot when he tries to turn Blue.
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>>149970192

>Or ya know, Zeno could have just reset that timeline to before Zamasu caused problems

We don't even know if he can do that.

>Remember when they could have just wished on the Dragon Balls in the other universe to revive everyone in that timeline?

ZAMASU destroyed the super dragonballs, and we also don't know if they could work on other timelines.
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>>149967977
His rival always beats him just the same.
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>its been 5 months since shitter
5 months of Jobbing
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Hit is shit in both the manga and anime. Fucking Broly-tier ass-pull character to impress the 12 year olds.
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>>149967661
IT'S HAPPENING
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>>149971925
>to impress the 12 year olds.
and the spics
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>>149965205
Well, this turned into quite a shitshow.
Black exists because of Black.
Having multiple copies of Zen-chan feels like a mistake.
Trunks should stop time traveling. He only creates more timelines where everything goes to shit, while the number of timelines where everything is good does not increase.
In the end, everything they did seems completely pointless, because they basically lost and reset it with time travel, in a future world with two Mai and Trunks.
But we had best boy Gowasu, the only Kaioshin who isn't worthless.

Did anyone else think of Gyigas during Zamasu's final form?
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>>149971772
The point anon is that not everything needs a happy ending
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>>149971971

No, you're the first to make the connection.
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>>149971925
>>149971970
Well I'm not a spic and I'm 27 and married, so there's that
I like the concept of someone being stronger than Goku without transformations
Other universes when?
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>>149972012
Sorry, it's just that I only watched the episode now and haven't checked any threads.
To be fair, I could have used Ctrl+F before typing that line, at least.
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>>149971971
woah really dude, never thought of it.
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>filthy scum ningen shits still mad because they didn't get their happy sunshine and rainbow ending where Trunks and Mai lived happily ever after with Hobo Jajirobe and their shota and loli

SERVES YOU RIGHT NINGEN FUCKING SHITS
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>>149972046
Do you happen to like Michael Bay movies?
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>>149972090
>Do you happen to like [something I hate]?

Do you realize how childish you're being?
But no, I don't like them. I'm not gonna make fun of the people who do though, I'm not a teenager anymore.
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relevant poll

http://www.strawpoll.me/11685173
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>>149972089
I liked Zamasu at first but when this nigga went full anti-ningen cloud and killed the Best dragon ball character ever without mercy, I realized he was nothing but scum. Filthy scum that needed to be eradicated.
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>>149968439
This was a fucking excellent ending. KLK is TRASH.
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>>149972148

There's only one correct answer. ZAMASU
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>>149972203
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>>149966834
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>>149972261

ZAMASU WHY DID YOU RAPE THAT NINGEN WITH YOUR BOYPUSSY!?

ZAMASU! ZAMASU! ZAMASU!

ZAMASU
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Who is Gowasu's tea bitch now?
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>>149966335
>So, that Zeno moved here.. what it is going to be about the destroyed universe/timeline? who will control it?

Anon... there's nothing left in that timeline. It's all destroyed.
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>>149969074
>when you jump to the original time stream and your mentor gives you this look
He's coming BACK. Last shot confirms. HE IS COMING BACK
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>>149972317

There's bound to be a Zamasu in some other timeline or universe that he can steal.
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>>149972127
Standards are so scary, anon.
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>>149972299
WATCH IT ZAMAS
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>>149971895
When will Goku learn?
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>tfw Goku Black was never actually defeated in a fight

Only lost after fusing. All Zamasu's fault.
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>>149972472
if anything it was his fault not asking for inmortality
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>Trunks somehow "defeats" Zamasu with the power of love and friendship
>that HORRID repeating texture of Zamasu's face in the sky, this shit is worse than ep5
>Zeno somehow doesn't know about Zamasu's shit spreading over all the universes/timelines
>Zeno is supposedly almighty but still subject to timelines and two can exist

Last arc had a shitty ending too but this one was even worse.
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>>149972709
So Zen-chan doesn't really have attributes like "omniscient" and "almighty". We knew the first before, when he apparently let Black/Zamasu do as they pleased. As for the second, we don't really know much about his powers. Can he create a rock so heavy he can't lif tit?
Either way, I agree that introducing multiple beings with the capability to destroy everything is really stupid. Though Zen-chan wasn't shown to be beyond space, so him being beyond time isn't guaranteed.
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>>149972279
Why didn't Goku just bargain with Zamasu?
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>>149966405
Dat vulva mang...
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>>149973019

>anatomy 101
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>>149973019
Plump and puffy.
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Syncro was a mistake

Fuck blackwings
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KAKAROTTO! WHAT HAPPENED TO MY ANIMATION?!
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>>149973106
Smug and plump*
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>>149973143

ZAMAS
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>>149969588
Goku is the best character, even if he goes villain
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>>149973143
>streamin
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Does this count as a bittersweet or a bad ending?
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>>149973170
I love Vados.
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>>149969221

If you look closely then you will see that db has always been grim. See how many character dies in every arc. All this grimness disappears and become irrelevant because of dragonballs.
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>>149973247

It's a good ending ningen.
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>>149973221
>his internet is too shitty to stream

Bet you can't even watch godtube, filthy ningen
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>>149968478
Trunks is a filthy sinner who deserved everything that was coming to him
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>>149972089
>Hobo Jajirobe

When was Jajirobe ever not a hobo? I thought that's his default mode.
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>>149973704

The beard makes him a Hobo+
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>>149968478
So... just like for us real humans?
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>>149967078
Since the Trunks who used the time machine is obviously much stronger than the Trunks in the timeline they'll travel to, he's the alpha Trunks and can just beat the other up to get TWO (2) Mais.

Living the dream.
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>>149973825
>implying the other trunks won't go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
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>>149973954
>Future Trunks tries to channel the power of everyone he knows and loves to beat his AU self
>only has Mai to power him up
>AU Trunks does the same but has all his friends and the rest of the world behind him
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>>149967376
virgin sensors going crazy!!!
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How could they have dumpstered an arc that started out so great so hard?
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Damn, this arc was shit. I didn't want it to be. I don't want to have to agree with that manchild Zeon.
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>>149965205
>Zamasu kills the people he was trying to protect and Zeno destroys his world
>it is fine, I'm just going to a new timeline and meet alternate versions of the people I failed to save, also meet an alternate version of myself in the process too

What a clusterfuck of an ending. Almost feels like a Gainax ending.
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>>149968004
Don't reply to him, he is a retard who cannot accept they are not the same timeline, and not the same people.
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>>149968083
adult mai is the only female that doesn't look the exact same as every other female in the db universe
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What will I do now? Only reason I continued this far is because the memes? How will I continue without it. I feel terrible?
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If this were some other anime this ending would have been Berserk tier angsty
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>>149974025
>>149974056
So many obvious samefagging in these threads, and all that because some people wanted an american happy ending where the Good Side is the absolute victor, anyone who died can be revived and nothing is gray. My God. Just drop DB already, you're the only ones who didn't evolve.
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>>149966456
>Hate Ningens so much, he literally becomes the multiuniverse just so he can eradicate all life
You have to admire Zamasu's dedicated hatred. He makes Freeza's hatred for the Sayians look tame in comparison.
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>>149969961
Well, he is a proper robot.
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>>149973992
>other future trunks go to the past so he can bring goku to kill future trunks that is trying to kill him
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>>149974235
>>149969961
So was turtle
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>>149974085
Canon endings are awful, this was the perfect example of that.
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So what's the next arc, another tournament?
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>>149974226
Well DB is famous for characters to get over all kinds of trauma after a minute.
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>>149974232
>claims I'm a samefag with some other dude
>still talks in plural

It's not samefag but you apparently know it anyways.

It's not the good ending it's the "nothing matters" ending that really sucks.
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>>149969887
>dbz kart
>not Initial DBZ
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>>149974302
That's what he said. To get over happy endings.
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>>149974232
and I actually didn't say anything about the tone of the ending. It could have been a grim ending, a happy ending, a bittersweet ending. More so the vehicle through which we reached the ending that sucked.
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>>149974277
Hit comes to kill Goku. But you know he's not going to be the villain. He may not even kill Goku.
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Holy shit, they actually had Zeno destroy a whole universe on screen. The absolute madmen!

Fucking loved it.
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>>149965620
ZAMASU!
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>>149974277
Beerus gets a cold would be a decent filler I guess, right now noone fucking knows lol. Maybe they bring back Cell just so he can get obliterated? I don't know.
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>>149974324
Happy ending is not the same as "hey you know what I can create X amounts of universes to always fix any shit that's ever happened to you".

In DBZ Future Trunks also got a happy ending (he came back and rekt the androids) but there were also real consequences (Cell original timeline probably got rekt at some point by Buu or someone, in his timeline Z-warrior died etc).

This ending was like: "Yeah while technically everybody died we can create replicas and pretend it never happened"
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>>149966619

>If Trunks just died and let Zamasu/Black have their way, he could have spent the afterlife with his mom, Mai, Gohan, and the rest of the Z Warriors
>Instead, Trunks trying to "save" everyone resulted in not only the death of his people, but the death of the his entire timeline multiverse and the complete death of all souls in the afterlife
How the hell is this a bittersweet ending? Trunks lost. The timeline he's hi-jacking isn't the Gohan, Bulma, or anyone he knows personally. They're literal clones, and he has to be reminded of that when he sees another Future Trunks and Mai, every time they meet up and mention how they horribly FAILED.
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>>149974336
Zamasu achieving his autistic goal and becoming literal universe was the best worst ending I could get. Sort of reminds me DB is not all bread and sugar.
All this time I never felt any kind of urgency or loss in DB because we know all loses will be reversed. And here now we have an actual loss that can't be reversed.
Although I'll admit the design for Zamasu Universe was lazy and not really impressive.
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>>149974442
You really want everyone to pile on Trunks and remind him that he failed miserably? Sending him off happily is the best way to help him cope. He's clearly not alright, just look how he broke down at the end when he saw Gohan. Hell, he visualised Future Gohan when he saw him, showing just how much he knows he fucked up.
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>>149974442
You just devalued your own statement with your last sentence.

>This ending was like: "Yeah while technically everybody died we can create replicas and pretend it never happened"
>and pretend it never happened

It did. And Trunks and Mai will be the only ones that know it. They're going to carry that weight.
I'd also like to point out that the ending was completely logical.
In DB, the universes operate with their respective gods. Future Trunks' universe was already fucked the moment Zamasu killed all the gods.
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>>149974442
Actually it's not like that. We actually saw this timeline a lot and both Trunks and Mai never got over it. The only reason why he went there in the first place was because Mai wants to see their friends once again even if it were in another universe.
The final scene with Gohan showed that he's not gotten over it and that he regrets he wasn't able to keep the promise he gave to Gohan long ago.
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>>149974488
>>149974507
>>149974536
Okay anons you convinced me. But can we atleast agree that the animation for this final episode was dumpster-tier?
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>that exchange with Vegeta and Trunks, with Vegeta being proud as fuck of his boy
>that Future Gohan flashback

goddamn I can't believe this show actually managed to get tears out of me. fuck.
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>>149974579
That I'd agree.Vegetto consumed a lot of energy.
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At this point, he could've just stayed in the present timeline when he gives a fuck that everyone is dead and his earth is destroyed.

Also:
>everyone gives him their energy
>he "beats" him
>nope, everyone dies
>"lol it's ok, we will just live in another timeline"
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>>149974579
>animation for this final episode was dumpster-tier
Which is especially egregious because QUALITY just cheapens the impact of the emotional scenes.
Well, of anything, really.
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I liked the ending, DB doesn't have enough bad endings, they usually win. The Frieza saga and Cell saga you could say they had "bittersweet" endings because Goku was either dead or believed to be dead.

But this time they flat out lost, the objective was save the future and the future got beyond fucked and there was nothing they could do. Even if Goku had brought the seal with him it probably wouldn't have worked. Black could've broken the seal, or maybe just changing his Potara to the other ear would've instantly brought Zamasu out of the seal because god magic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjvtSkR2vZs
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>>149974617
He went to another universe because Mai wants to see their friends once again even if they didn't recognise them.
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>teasing that gohan at the end
for what purpose?
he didn't do shit in this arc
toei is fucking with gohanfags, isn't it?
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>>149974617
>>149974738
He haven't gotten over failing to protect his works. That final scene with Gohan was to show his disappointment with himself.
Also fan service for gohanfags.
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>each universe has its own afterlife
>Zeno nuked the whole multiverse
>including the afterlives
>all the people killed by Zamasu are flat-out gone
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>>149974780
>works
World
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>>149968478
Funnily enough, it's kind of like this in cape comics at the moment.

A few years ago, there was a universal reset in DC comics. New Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. In the latest notreboot, the original Superman and the old Wally West have come back and they're integrating with a world of notfriends that are basically clones of the people they knew. Whereas the original, real versions of their friends, haven't existed for half a decade.
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>>149974800
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>>149974800
Zamasu already killed all the gods. So the afterlife is probably one massive shitshow anyway.

For all we know, Zamasu has already destroyed all the souls in the afterlife.
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>>149974780
>>149974672
They could've just used the super dragonballs in the present timeline to fix that shit.

This is a massive plot hole right there.
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>>149974904
Super Dragon Balls only work in their own timeline, otherwise Zamasu wouldn't have bothered destroying the Super Dragon Balls in the Future.
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>>149974904
It was never told whether SDB can affect other timelines
>But it grants any wish
So did ordinary dbs when the show started
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link for manga?
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>>149965636
man can kill god and make dinosaurs is how
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>>149975188
>>149975188
>>149975188
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>>149974452
Zamasu Universe came across like someone fucking with the skybox files in a Snes/PS1 era game, so it made me weirdly nostalgic in a roundabout way

I get the feeling that if you asked him, he'd specifically mention Gigyas in Mother 2 being an inspiration for it
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>>149974277
I kinda hope so. It would make a nice breather after such a grim arc, and we were already promised it's going to happen sooner or later
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>>149965205
IT was a arc full of asspull, shitty meme, power level that make no sense, shipperfag, retarded character
9/10 best arc in super, it's been a long time since i have so much fun DB
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>>149969638
>Baby
>Majin Buu

Is this your way of saying Zamasu actually sucked or are you just retarded?
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Stupid arc
Most fitting final episode, which is the climax of bullshit

This series called DB Super can't be helped anymore.
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>>149971971

I pretty much saw Giygas Form Zamasu coming the minute I heard about "no physical body" and I was scared that I actually predicted that shit, much less the whole timeline thing happening.
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>>149974666

is Goku Satan
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>>149974949
the longer the show gets the more useless shenron gets in all honesty
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