help, my raws have contracted terminal cancer
>Chapter 134: Treasures of an Era
>B: "I want to protect you."
>B: That's what you told us.
>B: Confronted by that,
>Motobe: That's more than enough, Baki-san.
>M: You were not at all mistaken.
>M: "It's impossible for Motobe Izou to do that!"
>M: Is a solid conclusion to draw.
>M: My bare hands against those monsters which are yours...
>M: Of course I'm expected to be at a disadvantage.
>M: All of you, who can fight ten battles and win ten times...
>M: "This middle-aged man Motobe will defend us...?"
>M: That's upsetting to hear.
>M: I reached over my own height.
>B: All of us...
>B: Misjudged the martial artist Motobe Izou.
>B: Because of that,
>B: We also misjudged the ability of Miyamoto Musashi.
>B: We were thoughtless.
>B: We failed to recognize you.
>M: You are a treasure.
>M: You are a symbol of this era.
>M: The concept of strength...
>M: You have inherited its identity.
Somebody explain Baki to me. I watched the anime, got completely lost in the transition from season 1 to season 2, decided to jump to a random point in the manga and Yujiro was eating imagination noodles cooked by Baki.
whoops, last line of last page:
>M: The Ogre...
>M: "The world's strongest creature..."
>M: Has become a deity.
>M: That's the way of the world.
>M: Gods can't be reached.
Logic error not in your favor; lose $200
>M: Shibukawa Gouki-sensei's techniques...
>M: Are already considered a nature treasure.
>M: Cultural assets are protected.
>M: Orochi Doppo.
>M: He is the father of modern karate.
>M: If we were to lose the martial arts god Doppo...
>M: The way of karate would lose its sun.
>M: That cannot be allowed to happen.
>M: Hanayama Kaoru alone...
>M: Holds impossibly great pride.
>M: The transformed Orochi Katsumi...
>M: In the world of karate, he is a second sun.
>M: Pickle is what he is.
>M: It's needless to say that he is an asset of mankind. And a comrade.
>M: Gaia's eco-friendly combat techniques.
>M: The off-the-path way...
>M: That is yet unmistakably still karate, of Katou Kiyosumi.
>M: Shinogi Kureha's anatomy-based fighting methods.
>M: His younger brother Koushou's "Cutting Rapids". ("zangekiryuu", or "斬激流", there's no practical TL)
>M: The longevity of Kaku Kaiou, the incarnation of Chinese martial arts.
>M: XX's ○○
>M: □□'s △△
>M: All of you are treasures of this era.
>B: I agree.
>M: Each of you...
>M: ...Possesses a connection to the others.
>M: What of him?
>Kureha: I was relieved to hear my name in there.
>K: Musashi's appeared on TV.
Character of the week: Mani Akio.
Original character, donut steel, etc.
nah, he heard about Nanking and went to finish the job to vent his assmad
Part of the present era's treasures, then. Pickle is a treasure of the present era because of his biological differences.
Motobe knows all of Musashi's tricks, so there's nothing "special" about him beyond his strength. I dunno. Maybe next chapter will make it clear[er].
Unrelated: I didn't mistranslate what Motobe said about Gaia. He doesn't say "environmental warfare", he really does say "eco-friendly combat techniques". Dunno if Itagaki had a stroke while writing the script or what.
anyone else got a perspective on Motobe's intended message?
Gaia is legit though.
>Killed Baki, who only survived via plot armor shenanigans
>Beat one of the convicts so bad he became a bawling mess
>Hid in Pickle's room so hard NOBODY NOTICED HE WAS THERE
Maybe it's that because of the connection they have to each other, they will fight, but not kill. But since Musashi is from another era, he can without hesitation go into a fight to the death.
The "XX's ○○" and "□□'s △△" is Motobe listing off other names, and Baki starting to ignore him. Exact same thing happens whenever someone tries to explain something to Musashi. Motobe probably said something about how Jack never gives up. At least, I'd like to think so.
jack btfo ;_;
>the adventures of Musashi as a tarento
Does it just come down to him being a clone so there's nothing natural about his presence in his concept of the "era"? He's just this artificial force looking for fame in their era who shouldn't even be there so he's not really "connected" to their world at all?
I don't think he actually can, whether he wants to or not. As Baki pointed out way back when: Yuuichiro's shoulder width is like two times the size of Yuujiro's. Plus, his arms appear to be longer.
The muscle anatomy? No, I don't think so. Facial anatomy is kinda fucked in this chapter, but that's pretty clearly on purpose. Look at this absolutely horrific portrayal of Reagan. I honestly thought he was supposed to be a Japanese PM until I looked closer.
Please don't take the bait; it's practically an in-joke at this point. The guy's been saying it whenever he sees a Baki thread for like a year now. We all know that he can draw anatomy in the practical way.
Presumably, much like Baki, he's been training to become even stronger. As the guy in the other thread said, he's starting to look more like Yuuichiro.
What exactly are you looking for here? A published anatomic model? You're not likely to find something like that from *any* mangaka, so I guess none of them know perfect anatomy.
>stronger than oliva
>this is somehow a threat
Oliva's still top tier behind Yuujiro, Baki and Kaku, and that's without considering his off screen training. The only one who could hard counter him is Shibukawa and even then we don't know what he can do against a serious Oliva.
It's hard to assess how strong Oliva is now.
Mass produced soldiers stronger than him are a legit threat to anyone who isn't Baki, Yuujiro or Kaku.
Pickle and Musashi are also stronger than him. How could you forget them? And Kaku is an even harder counter to Oliva than Shibukawa, but I'm assuming you meant characters of the 'lower-than-top-tier'.
His anatomy is off. That's normal considering he rarely ever tries to do it properly.
Chapter 135 was done out of nowhere and was extremely retarded. Itagaki is a hack who masturbates to his own fantasies of JAPAN STRONK and takes relief in the fact that in his little mind, Japan stands above or equal to America. Fucking nips
>Pickle and Musashi are also stronger than him.
Old Oliva, sure, but how about present day Oliva.
Memetobe beat Musashi and he's technically way weaker than Oliva, you can't say anything about current Oliva, we don't know how strong he is, if he ever comes back we'll see if he's made some progress.
Butthurt Trumpkins should go back to >>>/pol/
No wonder nobody likes you or your meme president, you can't even take a joke.
Don't lump me in with him, I like both Trump and Baki. I was actually expecting worse. As long as Itagaki doesn't have Yujiro go on a moralfag tirade about how Trump is an evil racist, we're good.
Memetobe also beat Jack who put up a better fight against Pickle than Retsu.
Its hard to gauge Bakis now because of how stupid the scale went. Memetobe beating Musashi who raped Retsu who molested katsumi who did better vs Pickle who beat fucked up Jack who totally rekt Shibukawa who beat Doppo who actually forced Yujiro to his knees who handily destroyed Kaku Kaioh who by Retsu's admission was a fucking untouchable god of martial arts.
Baki scale is non-existent.
So, who would have any interest in Keisuke Itagaki's manga "Shaman"? Apparently it's been ongoing for a long time and has gone unscanned until now, but now it has been scanned. I have no fucking idea what it's about from rifling through it (perhaps it's about a shaman?), but it appears to have a high school setting, and features multiple people pissing themselves and a guy genuflecting and bowing before Santa Claus. Might find out more if I bothered to translate any of the text, which I won't do unless interest is apparent.
>As long as Itagaki doesn't have Yujiro go on a moralfag tirade about how Trump is an evil racist, we're good.
That would be the truth though.
But I don't see Itagaki doing that, the only thing he may make Yuujiro say is that Trump is a weak, arrogant little man unfit to lead, he'll probably get the Bush treatment. Yuujiro likes those who are humble and fight for the weak, he just dislikes arrogant people.
Honestly, I thought he would go down much harder on Trump, Bush got turned into a lackey and Obama was basically sweating blood each time he had to talk to Yuujiro.
Yeah, more or less.
It all depends on the matchup, we don't even know if Pickle is even stronger than Oliva, Oliva can run through concrete walls and bend thick steel doors like paper, Pickle is extremely durable and wrestled dinosaurs and japanese sewer alligators, we still need to see him vandalize shit like Oliva did.
And again, if Memetobe's 25 years worth of offscreen training made him beat Musashi who knows how much will Oliva learn.
I have yet to find someone to explain to me how "illegal immigrant" is a race. I'm a spic myself and apparently I'm supposed to be offended by him pointing out the fact that there are rapists among border trespassers. Figures.
>Yuujiro likes those who are humble and fight for the weak, he just dislikes arrogant people.
Well, I even half expected Itagaki to respect the fact that he fought the establishment with all the media against and won.
By that logic nearly every modern US president is a civilian killer, hell, most modern world leaders are.
And Trump isn't really any better since he actually said he would go against the terrorists families and bomb the shit out of them.
But this isn't /pol/ and you should all go back there.
Well, Pickle can take a lot more punishment than Oliva, I think. Look at where Oliva stops versus where Pickle stops. He also knows some basic martial arts techniques.
Let's say Oliva has more muscular strength than Pickle - Pickle has more wild strength than Oliva. Oliva would never bite someone, you know? I think Pickle *must* win in an even fight against him, by at least a slight margin.
>I think Pickle *must* win in an even fight against him, by at least a slight margin.
Look, I've been really, really wanting to see Oliva VS Pickle since Pickle was introduced, and it's not going to happen, just don't make me think about it altogether.
Yeah, such is the fate of those of us who care about things. Here: http://raw-zip.com/manga-%E8%AC%9D%E7%94%B7-shaman/
The raws for the first two volumes (possibly all that it may be?) are there. I'll probably stick them on mega later or something.
Given that you're the only person to express interest so far, I went out of my way to TL the first few pages. Maybe spur a little interest, maybe not. So, let's get to it!
>That way is...
>Tokyo, isn't it?
>From the outskirts of Tokyo,
>Even from places far away from Tokyo... multiple reports of innumerable flocks of crows...
>Many reports of innumerable flocks of crows were being sent in.
>Tens of thousands...
>Hundreds of thousands...
>An myriad count of crows...
>They had finally reached this place.
>An enormous pillar of crows, reaching one thousand meters in height.
>What had been at the heart of the spiral was...
>A single building of a school.
>To be more precise, the inside of the building was a gymnasium.
that's all you get, you fucks
You have to understand that Japan was raped in WW2. Culturally, spiritually and physically they were completely destroyed. Its understandable that the orphans of that time in history grew up bitter, resentful and jealous.
well like one person responded at all
I was asking for responses as to whether or not it would be a project worth pursuing for the interest of others, and got one person's response
course I'm miffed you bitch
You had to expect this since Itagaki harnessed meme magic, still, thank you for your efforts as always, I'll look up this Shaman myself, it seems a nice change of pace from the usual Baki madness.
Honestly, I don't think you'll find much on the series. I looked into it myself before posting about it, and all I found was a single ANN article from 2011 stating that Itagaki was starting the series. It's not even listed as one of his published works on Wikipedia. Somehow, virtually nobody knows about it.
Maybe he published it under a pseudonym originally? I don't know.
You can try making it's own thread and dump it as a storytime, it could end up just being you and another guy though
It's not easy getting people into a series on this board if it doesn't have momentum behind it and the first chapters aren't particular attention grabbers or just some cheap slice of life anyone can get into, especially with how fast threads can move at certain times
I guess the point is they are all part of a martial arts "community", they want to show they and their way is the strongest, and they all get even stronger through their (usually nonlethal) confrontations.
Musashi doesn't care about that and is outside the modern context of martial arts. He cares about fame and just kills his opponents.
One very important thing that seems overlooked in Baki Dou discussions is the point Musashi made that there were no fighters on the level of the top Baki characters in his era. One reason for this could be that it was simply too deadly. A defeat in real fight meant death. Musashi who was an anomaly who survived to reach his level likely cut many careers tragically short long before he could be challenged.
I'd say there's a bit of a contrast here between Yuujiro and Musashi. Yuujiro is no stranger to killing people, but ultimately he wants to have a good fight and he'd go out of his way to get one. He "created" Baki for this specific purpose and didn't kill him in their first fight to get a better one later. Musashi as he is presented would be perfectly happy to go around fighting and killing any and all opponents until he runs out of martial artists.
(I'd also say it's a message that can only really work due to the insane quality of Bakiverse medicine)
Motobe's "protection" may be both through shedding light for the martial arts community on how this Musashi thing works, and trying to teach this message to Musashi.
Trump is 6'3, shouldn't he be taller than Yujiro?
>He cares about fame and just kills his opponents
He went easy on memetobe and didn't kill him so you're wrong and that fame thing is a ruse obviously.
Musashi brings back the high stakes and honor, everyone is treating this like a game, musashi is like early yujiro when he came and struck fear and death into people.
>He went easy on memetobe and didn't kill him
He was going to kill him, going easy on him was just misjudging his opponent and showing off.
>and that fame thing is a ruse obviously.
It seems true and consistent with his character.
We saw the "mountain of gold" thing from his perspective, so we know he wasn't just rusing Yuujiro about it.
I can't really wrap my head around Yukio gaining more mass.
Someone needs to make a chart detailing the transformation of Itagaki's art.
You can certainly see the Matt Dillon influence. Later on it gets drowned out by the lion.
As someone that got into Baki when Itagaki was upping the muscles, I find the older stuff difficult to read.
So how is it possible for Trump not to know about Yujiro? Everyone in the Baki world must have watched the father and son fight by that point, unless they live in a third world shithole with no internet.
Trump literally, quite literally didn't know that Russia invaded Ukraine.
Him not knowing about Yuujiro isn't impossible in the least, dude's completely oblivious to anything that happens outside of his little bubble.
They didn't announce his identity. That was simply a super-incredible fight between some dude and his son.
On the other hand, Yuujiro being known as a walking WMD is probably taken as a metaphor by the people who hear about it, and a businessman doesn't really need that information, which is why he's being told now.
>quite literally didn't know that Russia invaded Ukraine
I didn't either. I'm willing to bet most people who aren't directly affected didn't, since only a few read the news. It's really not the same as "look this kickass fight between two superhuman guys" which would been everywhere in social media.
Different =/= Weird
She's not even in the cast. She's shown up like twice in the past ten years of publication.
Well, she kinda fucked up by showing up at the end of the third series. She did literally nothing there, other than interrupt the fight and then yell "KYAAA" when it started up again.
Kozue spinoff when? You've got to wonder if there's an underground world where women beat each other up. Jack's mom can't be the only female warrior out there.
You mean it's what they do irl.
I have to give Baki credit in that it doesn't try to compensate and force women into its narrative. The tone,themes, and characters, make it pretty clear that there's no reason for them to be prominent.
He can't be hurt by it. There's at least one line in the series about how Yuujiro is so powerful that he cannot be 'defeated' by age, disease, infection or any such. I recall that it's also implied to apply to the rest of the top fighters as well. Kaku is 148 years old, and he can start/stop his heart at will. It was implied earlier in the series that Yuujiro can do the same thing, too, with endorphins.
Itagaki added these points to the series presumably because people would often go off on shit like "lol yujiro can beat the us armed forces, but can he beat cancer"; so he removed the potential for that kind of argument in the Baki universe.
Yuujiro doesn't really consider Musashi a legitimate threat. In their fight, he KO'd him twice, and had a million opportunities to kill him. Go re-read the part where Musashi goes hands-mode against Yuujiro - Yuujiro just tries to dodge it; he makes absolutely no efforts to hit Musashi back. I think he just considers him the only good fight that he can get besides Baki.
>looking for logic in a manga featuring a revived caveman and cloning musashi miyamoto
>I'm willing to bet most people who aren't directly affected didn't
I don't know where you live but here in Europe it was big news, it's impossible to not know about it unless you're three years old or a hermit, everyone and everything were talking about it.
Even worse if you're running for POTUS.
Meme is beautiful
>I don't know where you live but here in Europe it was big news
And in Europe you're probably affected by it.
>Even worse if you're running for POTUS.
Again, I wasn't justifying Trump, just explaining how the father and son fight would be way more known.
You have a point, but the bizarre way of thinking is... bizarre, in the beginning the selling point of baki is "grounded in reality fighters agains Yujiro how have a shounen power level", and Yujiro have limits, I miss this.
Itagaki can draw qt grills if he wants
It's called Shaman, and was only scanned very recently. Wanna read it?
Too bad, you can't, because not enough people have expressed interest.
I wanna read it. Can you tell us more? When did he make it and is it still ongoing?
Also, I read somewhere that there's a full volume of Make Upper, is that scanned? I only read some stand alone chapter that came with a Baki volume.
I've reached a grand total of 2 people, now, interested in Shaman. Just according to plan.
Apparently, it started in 2011, but the first and second volumes were released in 2013. The third volume appears to have been released in late 2014, implying some sort of ludicrously slow release schedule. It's probably been finished or canceled as I cannot find anything about it beyond the third volume, but that's up in the air.
It's about a school teacher going around and doing stuff (such as talking out issues with students) in a shamanistic way, as far as I can tell. His body language reminds me of GTO in a strong way. Beyond that, a primary element of the series is about him bowing ludicrously excessively (dogeza-style). Most, if not all of it, focuses on school stuff, with an occasional bizarre twist of action. I think I translated the first five pages of it earlier in this thread. Scroll up to check, if you'd like.
On Make-Upper or whatever: I have absolutely no idea. I've only read that chapter as well. I haven't looked particularly hard for it, but perhaps I should. It was interesting, after all...
It's extremely common.
>Itagaki drawing a girl masturbating
Was she shlicking to Baki characters?
I found the raws for Make Upper. Will take like 20 minutes to DL; we'll see what I can do when I actually see them.
I'm going to put them on the Baki mega after I'm done DLing them regardless of whether or not I can do it, to spare you all the minor inconvenience of stupid-ass rapidgator/whatever site throttled downloads.
Also, I almost forgot to post the usual.
But this time there's a twist.
why is baki the size of a 8 years old?
Motobe is supposed to be of small-average height yet the proportions make him to be gigantic...
Its all the way in the back but still twice as big
Seriously look at the size of his head compare to Baki's which is supposed to be in the foreground
It's ukiyo-e perspective style and the old artistic notion of size relative to significance; it's been done before in this series countless times. Baki is not the important figure on the page, Motobe is; hence, Motobe is larger.
Itagaki has a fucking weird art history. It doesn't seem like a natural progression at all.
Here's the Baki mega again; Make Upper raws are in it, clearly labeled. I added the Igari vs Toba Gaiden a while back, so that's in there too:
Really, though - would you know that this art was Itagaki's if you saw it devoid of context?
yes pretty easily
Here's Make-Upper-Guy make-upping Hitler, Nobunaga, Darwin(?) and some unrecognizable Japs, I guess.
I need an Itagaki art book.
Maybe we ought to send a bunch of letters to Nipland asking for one? Really, you'd think he would have released one after 25 years. I want to know how images like this were produced.
Yeah, Itagaki's style is pretty unique.
Yeah, some Anon also posted homages from Tetsuo Hara.
Is the joke that that happened like a month and a half ago, or did you really not know?
I had no idea.
Wouldn't mind that Jitsu image in higher resolution though.
Do you have the image?
It was the 20th anniversary, more than a couple.
They are all in the link.
Now that I look at it, Hara didn't even draw the beauty spot. That's pretty lazy.
kid baki also uses the most powerful technique in martial arts so they have no chance with this boxing shit
I love how YAMAUCHI Yukinao leaves somewhat of a distinct touch, even when emulating Itagaki. What's the status of Scarface anyway? I recall things being left off at Midget given the retard a serious headache.
>Not a scrub
Musashi lost again the meme deity, thus he entered the realm of jobbers.
>Fukumoto just draws Kaiji & Akagi
Have you seen Obama lately? He's aged a lot.
Much donuts , sugar and corn oil make you aging very bad
Started reading a few days ago and now I'm coming to the end of S2 of the anime. I've just started episode 45 "Secret War" and it opens with "In consideration of current world affairs, portions of this episode differ from the manga". What was changed?
>last scene in New Baki is her hugging Ali Jr
>doesn't appear at all in Son of Ogre until the end
I legit thought she ended up with him, actually. Has she made a single appearance in Dou so far?
I doubt it. Kozue has a played a rather large role in Baki's life, but sometimes I like to think she's an editorial mandate .
Ed: Itagaki -san, the manga is a bit too much on the homo erotic side.
Itagaki : well what do you suggest?
I was slightly under that impression too. A part of me thought she ran off with Ali Jr since she didn't appear in Son of Ogre until the very end. But it looks like she just felt bad for him after Baki completely humiliated him.
I'm surprised Baki translated poorly when it made the jump to vidya. The Garouden game looked like a lot of thought went into its mechanics.
Tokugawa already has dozens of clones, including Yuichiro, the Kaiohs from 100 years ago who want revenge on Kaku for disgracing martial arts and Baki's mom as a loli
Baki will kill Musashi then a second Musashi will be deployed to fight Baki immediately after