Praise and adore her! Worship your one true goddess!
EVERYONE GIVE ME YOUR ENERGY
Gloating Gogetafags haven't realized that Vegetto's nerf means any hopes of seeing Gogeta in Super have died. Damn shame, too. I would have liked to see M12 Gogeta get more screen time.
> Potara fusion with mortals only last an hour
What did he mean by this?
>Trunks has to save the day and we don't know how to have him do that if Vegetto's still around but need the merchandise money, so...
>Oh also Gogeta is never getting used
>Until we need to put out Gogeta blue for merchandise money
>We have no idea what we're fucking doing to be honest
>We're just trying to make nostalgia bucks
> How to have Vegetto reappear more times without that "permanent" side-effect
> 50% longer time-limit than Fusion Dance. Renders Gogeta useless
when she stop fucking herself with the body of goku.
>see http://rule34-data-009.paheal.net/_images/db4fcfc66e9d7ef81090b7325d2a7411/2005169%20-%20Dragon_Ball%20Dragon_Ball_Super%20Goku_Black%20Rule_63%20Zamasu.jpg for reference
>fanbase wants other characters besides Goku and Vegeta to be relevant
>throw a fit when the literal fusion of them doesn't get the win
I think you people just want something to complain about
FACT: Gogeta wiped the floor with and destroyed his opponent in less than a minute after fusing.
FACT: Vegetto aka "Jobgetto" has, now twice in a row, shown his utter incompetence of fighting, has been BTFO and failed to beat his opponents because he was busy jerking himself off; even fucking trunks did better than Vegetto. Gogeta wins and Vegetto jobs.
Gogeta = better fusion
tfw no one in dbverse can beat the one punch
feels bretty good
>Everybody but Trunksfags have been btfo over the course of the arc.
Real Trunksfags have been BTFO. Super Trunks is pretty bad. He does cool things but it feels cheap. Nothing will be as rewarding as seeing him go back home and destroy Future 17, 18, and Cell.
How it should have been
>minor characters wish on future Namek dragon balls to defuse zamasu and vegetto
>goku and vegeta kill black
>minor characters wish on super dragon balls to remove immortality from zamasu right as he's gloating about still being immortal despite the defusion weakening him and Trunks cuts him in half
Then you can still have Trunks save his own timeline and give minor characters something to do, without resorting to retarded power scaling and retcons.
rip pretty okay villians in zamasu/black, hopefully next arc is good.
>there are still ningens who think that Gogeta is superior to Vegito
okay let me break it down for you so that even a retarded monkey ningen like you can understand it.
Glorious kami fusion method >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitty ningen fusion method.
I hope that you mongoloid ningens now finally understand which fusion is better.
>Zamasu gets fucked by Vegetto and learns to defend him
This. Super ruined everyone's image of Trunks from the final moments of the Cell Saga.
>tfw was major gohanfag until RoF changed my mind
>all I had left was trunks then they fucked him via writing by turning him in a sue and also relying on his dad and gohan's move set
Renders Vegeto useless too, a time limit like that just means it's a plot device to prevent him from ever winning.
What a stupid fucking thing to do. They could have had an episode of Vegetto slice of life.
threadly reminder that if you still shamelessly defend gary sturankusue and how he got from pre-ssj3 levels to fused zamasu levels(which can land shots to ssb vegito, of all people) in a span of 2 days without training and shit, you're a repulsive faggot who should go back to plebbit and definitely should kys.
>Bootlegged God Ki just by being in vegeta's vicinity for 5 minutes
>Learned Mafuba by watching it off a fucking youtube video on a phone
>Did a Genkidama entirely by instinct
IS THERE ANYTHING TRUNKS CAN'T DO
Real Trunks is in the manga.
Man. This guy. I dunno if these genderbent photos are just bait to attract people to their gay art and convert them or if this guy appreciates both (leaning towards yaoi).
てば もとこ on pixiv, teba_motoko on twitter. The artist does some good stuff.
other fusions dont grow two dicks. One overwrites the other
I wonder if Gohan was able to get Videl pregnant. The man is always so close to save the day (Cell and Buu), gets cocky and because of that he is now about to lose. And later he calls Goku for help.
It's depressing how much better the old style was
>straight out of fanfiction
Literally Dragon Ball Super. Pic only half related and not the basis of my argument.
Only if someone is around with earrings.
Probably a dick, the strongest body usually is the one who dominates in a fusion.
Vegito is a good example, the body is dominated by goku while the mind has vegeta has the dominant personality.
>the body is dominated by goku while the mind has vegeta has the dominant personality.
This silly fanfiction needs to stop. Vegeta is almost as big as goku during the Buu Saga, hence why Goku wanted them to try out fusion. There's no dominant personality either: Vegeto was extremely mocking, but it was revealed to have been a plan all along. Super also portrayed him with a more down-the-middle personality.
Beerus = Furry
That pic != furry.
You say that now, but wait until they run out of ideas and come up with a Resurrection of B(Broly).
Are we ever going to see Buu fight(aside from that minute long asskicking from Beerus)? I mean he's still the strongest living on Earth besides Goku and Vegeta isn't he? Would be nice to see him
wait till they introduce based uub.
Assuming you meant Gohan, the fact that Buu was Goku's first choice for the tournament and that he didn't even want to take Gohan at first makes me think that he's stronger now.
Yeah Gotenks is stronger but he technically doesn't live there so I didn't count him
Vegeta's height is really inconsistent
>The vact that Vegeta is involved at all renders it useless, because he is the eternal jobber. Not even fusing with Goku can save him from that fate.
Vegeta defeated several people in Super.
Did Goku beat a single one? I honestly can't remember.
This fucker had no right being as enjoyable as he was. I will miss him. The next villain has some huge shoes to fill
Considering how much the kais are around in Super, I don't think that's much of an issue. There aren't going to be any earth-level enemies anymore. Cell was the last one. Thanks to escalation we're only going to get conflicts with universe threats.
Plus in order to do the fusion dance they'd need to force vegeta to learn it, as he hasn't in-canon.
At least Vegeta has everyone beat in body count.
>Killed every member of the Ginyu force
>Killed some Namekians
>Killed Frieza's nameless soldiers
>Killed Bulma's virginity
>Killed Android 19
>Killed a bunch of innocent bystanders at the world tournament
>Killed his pride
Since the old stream died due to copyright whats the next stream for super?
>50% longer time-limit than Fusion Dance.
It's actually 100% longer, 50% would be 45 minutes.
I still don't understand why Gowasu didn't show Zamasu an advanced ningen civilization with culture and world peace.
It's arbitrarily longer, because for either form of fusion now, using "too much power" causes you to split prematurely.
I still think SSB Gogeta would defuse quicker than Vegetto just because Gotenks struggled holding SSJ3 and defused 7 pages after the form was lost.
>SSJ3 blows stamina quickly
So does SSB, Goku told Hit that he didn't go SSB off the bat because it drains his stamina. So if Vegetto lasts five minutes, Gogeta would last two and a half. Doesn't matter anyway though because we'll never see Gogeta
yup checks out although this may apply to champa tournament arc since goku black ssjr and vegeta turn off their modes on and off again with no strain what's so ever on the both of them.
which is funny in the last arc the golden frieza arc had stamina issues with his golden form but goku and vegeta doesn't have that problem but when the champa arc kicks in goku and vegeta both suddenly have that problem.
Wait a minute, SSB has the stamina weakness in the anime too? Then why the fuck did they immediately contradict themselves by having him use Kaio Ken with it?
And in the FT arc they spam the transformation like nothing
>le "this is just Toei BS" meme
>because Toriyama never came up with anything stupid ever
Can't wait to see the toyocuck DB fans have another meltdown when Zamasu uses the retarded ki sickle in the manga too
They ARE shown training between the frieza arc and the champa arc.
Their stamina most likely increased.
At least Toei added the ki sickness side effect to kaioken blue.
I think the issue there is that not only did Gohan get completely bodied, he regressed.
The larger context is that it's setting up something for him to do in the future, but unless that payoff is sweet it'll kinda suck
whats this and why are you posting this WHY DON'T YOU MAKE SENSE ANON WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?! THE MEANING OF LIFE? A CHEAT CODE TO MAKE ME IMMORTAL? OR A WAY TO GET RICH ME AS FUCK? TELL ME!
Years of not training, and generally not having the same mentality he did as a kid (the anger, the need to fight) did it to him.
And it's not a new concept to super, even in the original he was weaker in high school than he was as a 11 year old.
I think SS2 teen gohan was much stronger than people think as well, since he was used as a comparison for a long time, even by vegeta and goku.
>and then they completely forgot about Kaiokek syndrome in the last episode.
1.) Goku didn't go x10 for a long period of time, like he did with Hit.
2.) Goku's symptoms didn't show up until after he was back on Earth
No, you aren't getting it in the Golden Frieza Arc Goku's and Vegeta's SSB's have no stamina issues while Frieza's Golden mode does this is why they won in the first place.
But, win the Champa Arc Goku and Vegeta's SSB's suddenly have a stamina weakness now.
>Goku's symptoms didn't show up until after he was back on Earth
his was getting muscle spasms during the fight then collapsed right after it ended
good point he didnt go x10 though
I liked the spirit bomb sword but i think when he cut him in half it should of unfused black and zamasu then vegeta kills black and goku does the bottle trick on zamas and they all go back and give roshi old fashioned hand jobs while saving vegito for the tournament
No when freeza goes god mode it has a time limit but when goku went god mode it stayed with him even not in ssb...ssb for him is like god ki super sayin...vegetas god ki also has a limit
They still do, this one is slow because it's the middle of the week you fool. It'll be hyped when the new episode releases and we'll have active threads for that and the manga translations
Who is responsable for their failure?
Zamasu because he get too carried away and almost got his ass Mafuba'd, causing Black to check for him when he was just about to kill Goku and Vegeta?
Or Black because he was too thirsty for power and didn't finish the job+decided to not wish for immortality
stop using mary sue/cuck/ass-pull stupid star wars force awakens faggots!!
>Goku 'saved the world' by impressing Beerus and becoming friends. This is an example of friendship power but nobody has the balls to say anything about it, except me the voice of reason
>Goku got Lazer'd during Resurrection of F, Whis rewinds time because of the FRIENDSHIP created by the delicious Earth food gag
>Goku also gave power to frieza out of pity during their fight on Namek, yes just likethe ending fights of Super Android 13 and Broly
everything after DBZ onwards is shit! You know what
fuck original Dragon Ball too!
all you baka motherfuck ningens, with mouths agape exclaiming "Ahh, sugoi, sugoi!" will in the end eat up anything dragonball no matter what.
The targeted audience (You) will most definitely be back next week, without fail. Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball
You do realize Trunk's timeline is the main timeline? And that the Goku universe we witness is the result of Trunk's time traveling.
Zeno would have to wipe out all those universes and timelines since they are all defiled breaking the law of time traveling.
Look we know this shit, people like to make memes and bait ( just like you are doing). THe problem is the viewers get no explanation of what Trunk's power up is, or what the hell that technique he used with his sword. This arc isnt finished so the explanations are well on there way.
Also the final moment had no build up, it was terribly done. Im not expecting 10 episodes for a single attack but clearly DBS needs better pacing.
After that line, the only other time they've acknowledged SSB draining energy in the anime is the Vegetto battle. That's why I'm sure the same thing will happen in the manga. It seems to be part of Toriyama's outline, while Toei is attempting to ignore the energy drain stuff.
Post an arc you want to see happen
>Goku and Vegeta do some shit next arc
>takes quite some time, come back afterwards
>Gohan looking a little buff
>time-skips back to when they left for prior arc
>Gohan meets a Buu-Saga+ tier villain and gets his shit kicked in
>realizes he's literally the only fucker on earth that can do anything about it
>starts training a little bit to counter it
>Gohan has remote use again
I'll tell you my opinion after they make him do something in the next episode
So far he seems to be monaka gag character at this point, only implied to be frighteningly powerful. This next episode should show what kind of character Zeno is.
I find his voice annoying though, cute little thing admittedly.
No it isn't, Dragon Ball is about getting stronger and how stupid power scaling is because it's inaccurate.
Even when Madoshi Babidi shows up he uses a totally different measurement of battle power.
hi anon hows u?
well i'm mad cuz we didn't have moment like pic related since earring fusion not permanent for not mortals
IGN rates last DBS episode
Decisive Battle! The Miraculous Power of the Unwavering Warriors!
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Episode 66 of Dragon Ball Super has a few missteps but ultimately leads to a great final battle with Zamasu.
Did they really go back to Goku and Vegeta's old outfits, so Vegetto's outfit is the same?
Or are the new outfits unpopular? I personally like them much more...
Trunks using the Spirit Bomb, and then absorbing it into his sword (a very Trunks-like Ultimate attack) was pretty neat
I'm just surprised they brought back SSB Kaioken again
Maybe Toyble will use the Ritual-less SSG again during that fight instead?
If broly comes back they are going to defeat him the same exact way by transferring power to the main hitter.
>You do realize Trunk's timeline is the main timeline? And that the Goku universe we witness is the result of Trunk's time traveling.
Trunks was killed by Cell in the main timeline
Trunks is awful, now.
Trunksfags have been irrevocably put on suicide watch by awful writing killing their boy
It's over, you lost
Vegeto won by getting out before the bad writing took it's toll. He showed up, had THE fight scene of DBS so far, and left.
>But Trunks had the single best scene in Super,
That scene killed Trunks as a character. Nobody cares about him anymore aside from a few tumblrites
Vegeto's fight scene from moments earlier was far better, and that's not even a stand-out scene in DB as a whole
>and how stupid power scaling is because it's inaccurate.
No? Power level measurements were accurate, and remain in use throughout the series. First by scouter, then by sensing, and in Babidi's arc, by new scouters with different units.
They fluctuated, yes, but whatever the powerlevel was at the moment was a direct measurement of the fighter's power.
Power scaling is only completely pants on head retarded in Super / GT, and not as some kind of "statement" against powerlevels, just because they couldn't be assed to write something consistent.
No point, SSR is weaker than SSB.
It's just base form god ki, anon. Don't get mad at toyo for bringing it back, get mad at Toei/Toriyama for having Vegeta learn to use god ki by doing chores.
Trunks was killed by cell in the "unseen timeline"
Which is hard to say if it was the main one or not, but if it was the main one, Cell time paradoxed himself by making trunks stronger in the past before killing him in the future.
Hard drugs, alcohol, and pretending Xenoverse 2 is full canon.
I almost prefer Vegeta now, because he's a punished warrior who fights for every win, without getting handed magical plot devices.
yes it gets fuckity at that point. You know i just realized super could bring that unseen timeline cell with all the boosts they need to make him relevant. This cell wont have 17/18 but it was always in cells directive to absorb them, so cell could be timetraveling for those androids just like trunks did to save his timeline.
Are you fucking retarded?
> 10 seconds in one non-canon movie
> A lame Vegetto clone in GT who ate more shit than actually doing anything
> Mastery of the Fusion Dance is required
> Risk of getting Fat Gogeta/Veku
> Fusion lasts 30 minutes
> Beat the shit out of Buu, then lured Buu into absorbing him so that he can save everyone.
> Didn't eat shit with Blackmasu either. Beat him up enough to get him riled up and desparate, as well as weakening him enough to allow Trunks to kill him
> Potara fusion yields no risk of failure (No Fat Vegetto)
> Potara fusion is more powerful, according to the Elder Kai
> Potara fusion in mortals last an hour
Of course the time-limit for both drops exponentially the higher SS level used.
>mfw DBS can't even be assed to draw his hair properly
And I'm not talking about the color. They did the same thing with 18s hair. The strands are thicker now so they're easier to draw.
I dunno. I was really excited about him returning after more than a decade, but now I want him to leave forever again.
Can't believe they gave the mantle to Future "Ratings-Killer" Trunks
>get mad at Toei/Toriyama for having Vegeta learn to use god ki by doing chores.
It was a nice call-back to Master Roshi training Goku and Krillin
Besides that's not all they did. Remember they carried weights around the planet with a disappearing road?
Whis's god version of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?
Whis's lesson on not leaking ki?
It had all the ingredients of the best Dragon Ball moments
>character that surpasses himself
>a fight that isn't based on beams vs beams
>god tier music
Really you're just being contrarians for the sake of it.
Too bad they took all those ingredients and butchered them on a horrible, worst-case outcome.
I really wanted this to work, but they fucking ruined it. Trunks is terrible, now.
>It was a nice call-back to Master Roshi training Goku and Krillin
You're missing the point. The problem is not the training method, it's that they made God Ki easily attainable and easy to maintain. Hence why Red God Goku is still useable, it's just normal god ki goku. You will just rarely see it because SSB is like... 3 times stronger or something powerlevel is inconsistent.
I thought it was perfectly executed, it even brought tears to my eyes. #8's short appearance was a nice touch, reminiscent of the Genki Dama scene in the Buu saga, except this time it wasn't all undone by some misplaced comic relief.
I'm going to bed in 3 hours, but while I have all my translating junk open, anyone have any one page DB things they want translated?
(Preferably with readable kanji but whatever.) I'm 2/10 through this doujin of episode 62.5. Prepare for tired tier quality.
>I thought it was perfectly executed, it even brought tears to my eyes
>it even brought tears to my eyes
>Japanese sunday morning children's cartoons make me cry
>Future Gohan is where it's at. He is so fucking great in XV2.
"if you are here all grown up, Bulma finished the time machine and future is safe right? Then this fight has a purpose"
"This time I won't let you down Gohan"
That was years before the trunksening killed him
From an objective, unbiased standpoint, Trunks has a remarkable lack of depth in character. He never really had anything going for him aside from "future dude", and now that's been robbed and replaced by "plot winning dude with mega-giga-sword".
>it's that they made God Ki easily attainable and easy to maintain
As I said earlier:
- Remember they carried weights around the planet with a disappearing road?
- Whis's god version of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?
- Whis's lesson on not leaking ki?
Also, Vegeta was training alone with Whis 6 months prior to Goku even showing up. Then they both trained there for a pretty long while.
Vegeta needed the extra 6 months because he never felt god ki in BoG, like Goku did.
> Hence why Red God Goku is still useable
Only in the manga. And it really shouldn't be.
In BoG, Beerus said Goku absorbed SSG (into his base form).
Also Toriyama confirms this:
> Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
> I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.
Hence why SS1 Goku was keeping up with Beerus, after the SSG transformation ran out.
Hence we don't see SSG in the anime (and probably won't ever again). Only as exclusive Toyble OC in thr manga.
There was that very short burst of SSG power at the end of the fight, but until Toriyama can explain that, we only have our theories.
Super isn't canon to DBZ. you will never hear it from some YT-er to say it because they want to promote the anime. Anyway, Super manga and anime is different from the start, it has a lot of fillers and almost the whole series will be filler. If they made a KAI version of Super it will be 10 ep. max til now.
>Remember they carried weights around the planet with a disappearing road?
So? It's just training, anon. They made God ki seem like something unattainable, yet it can be done via simple exercises or just the plot wanting you to have a bit of it, like Trunks did.
>Only in the manga. And it really shouldn't be.
That was a lot less retarded than SSBKK, and there's no reason it shouldn't be. Goku absorbed the power of the form and learned to use the God Ki that came with it. They repeatedly describe SSG red as being a super saiyan god, where SSB is a super saiyan god gone super saiyan. It's just SSG in normal state. It's also logically weaker than SSB, so you won't see much of it.
Up to the end of Z. Then at the start of super he literally had his character arc backwards
At least he doesn't cry anymore, but hey, he's not 4.
Everything about him on paper sounds fucking stupid, but he was so charismatic that he made it work.
He even managed to make ssj pink look cool for gods sake.
>yet it can be done via simple exercises
It was far from simple, but I guess Goku and Vegeta can make anything look easy
> just the plot wanting you to have a bit of it, like Trunks did
We still have no idea what that transformation actually is.
I really hope they gave it a name soon (so it might hint to what it actually is)
> That was a lot less retarded than SSBKK
To each his own...
> there's no reason it shouldn't be
The fact is: We got official confirmation that Toriyama said SSG wouldn't happen again. Toei seems to be following this.
Until we got another confirmation stating otherwise, this is all we have.
During the middle of the battle there's a line from Kaioshin saying that Zamasu isn't regenerating, but rather falling apart. Aside from that line nothing indicates that he was getting hurt though, yeah.
By the time Trunks comes in though, he had switched to a slower USSJ-like form. Vegetto even makes fun of his speed. So that helps explaining how Trunks could keep up.
thats different. SSJ is an instinct that occurs through anger.
the Genki Dama is a technique you have to learn and only Goku knows how to do it besides king kai. Plus trunks is clearly not pure hearted since he is lusting after mai
Also when he realizes that it's Trunks that just prevented him from killing Goku and Vegeta, instead of being the strong confident god his voice just breaks and starts losing it completely.
When Gowasu said Zamasu lost his immortality due to Black
Vegetto made a point to say that Zamasu was feeling pain when he he was supposedly immortal. Right before he told Zamasu that he wasn't immortal anymore.
>It was far from simple
It was almost entirely physical exercises and some basic ki control. It's not something they couldn't have theoretically done on their own, which makes God Ki laughably accessible (if you're a saiyan).
>We still have no idea what that transformation actually is.
>The fact is: We got official confirmation that Toriyama said SSG wouldn't happen again.
No, he said there's no NEED for him to do it, not that he can't. I hate to be defending plot devices I didn't like, but Toyo didn't contradict that, and Toyo is allegedly under more direct supervision by Tori than Toei is.
God Ki was a mistake anyway.
Trunks learned it on his own. I guess he didn't know to throw it, and absorbed it into his sword instead?
Either way, not the first time a character spontaneously learns something
There are no more semi-feasible or tangible power-scaling like DB and DBZ.
It's just what's convenient.
They don't care anymore, you're looking into shit that isn't there. Trunks got the win because they wanted him to be strong enough to get the win. It's a morning TV show for slant-eye children that was watch for nostalgia and memes.
There's about as much thought and planning poured into DBS as (You)r conception.
In that scene Trunks isn't that angry, he's more feeling an intense feeling of responsibility towards other humans and a strong will to protect them in the face of Zamasu's hatred for them. And then the magic happens.
>Mai hinting at what she's going to do to Trunk's cock
>They don't care anymore, you're looking into shit that isn't there.
I mean, Toei never did, if you look at the filler scenes. You mention "DBZ", but when you step outside of the manga material it was filled with fluid power level. I don't see why it's a surprise that a show with even more Toei writing in it (considering how there's no actual manga base, just a story outline) would fall into that hole too.
>he said there's no NEED for him to do it, not that he can't
Toriyama said there's no need because he absorbed it.
Whether he can or can't, this means is absolutely pointless to useless to use SSG
> Toyo didn't contradict that
He did by not only bringing it back, but making it seem stronger than SS1. Remember SS1 Goku kept up with Beerus for a while because he absorbed SSG.
> Toyo is allegedly under more direct supervision by Tori than Toei is.
We don't know to what extent. But either way Toriyama provides scripts to BOTH Toei and Toyble. Any differences is their own creation.
Not to mention Toriyama insists Toyble includes his own content.
>It's not something they couldn't have theoretically done on their own
Well they only learned this (rigorous) training method by Whis.
Consider it a gift from the gods (or technically an Angel)
>Toriyama said there's no need because he absorbed it.
Note that he's talking about the ritual there and how Goku doesn't like to take people's power. In the manga Goku is transforming into SSJ God again without the ritual, like at the end of the movie.
Also, it's not the only thing that was rethought. Pretty much every statement regarding the forms in BoGs seems to have been thrown away by this point. Don't you remember this?
>Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.
SSJ2 and SSJ3, after disappearing for a while, returned as actual power ups over SSJ1 in the current arc, going against Toriyama's words there about how SSJ1 would take less energy AND make Goku stronger than the other forms.
>Not to mention Toriyama insists Toyble includes his own content.
That one quote was actually regarding his paneling and composition. The only time Toriyama talked about Toyotaro creating his own content he said that he'd have to do nothing and take the credit, so they weren't talking about the manga, but about the outline. And it was clearly a joke.
Toriyama also said Goku SSG was 6/10 times the strength of beerus. Super is inconsistent garbage.
>He did by not only bringing it back, but making it seem stronger than SS1
Oh, I see what your issue is. You think they didn't retcon the whole "goku absorbed the power of the god to his base form". That's pretty blatantly not the case anymore.
>He did by not only bringing it back, but making it seem stronger than SS1. Remember SS1 Goku kept up with Beerus for a while because he absorbed SSG.
In the movie, SSJ Goku was stated to not be as strong as SSJ God though. It's only in the Super tv show where it was stated to be just as strong. In the movie at the end the actual SSJ God Goku also stopped a blast that God absorbed SSJ1 failed to stop.
>Note that he's talking about the ritual there and how Goku doesn't like to take people's power
Toriyama said there's no point into transforming into SSG again. Goku not liking borrowed power is irrelevant to this case.
> Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
> I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.
> "I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."
This statement includes "think" and "probably", so it's a lot less clear-cut compared to his other statement.
Also he said they wouldn't use SS2 or SS3 because they can raise their level more with SS1 and it saps less strength.
But what if they're not interested in that at the time?
> That one quote was actually regarding his paneling and composition
I'm not talking about the quote where Toyble says Toriyama doesn't really offer any feedback. I'm talking about the multiple times Toriyama mentioned that he's like Toyble to include his own ideas
> So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!
> Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.
> Toriyama-sensei, what advice do you have for Toyotaro-sensei?
> I think it would be great if you included more of your own original ideas.
> In the movie, SSJ Goku was stated to not be as strong as SSJ God though.
In the movie, after SSG expired, SS1 Goku was fighting at the same pace he was fighting before. He didn't even notice the transformation ran out, until Beerus pointed it out.
Other funny "coincidences" include:
-The Space Dragon Balls were pulled right out of GT.
-The Black Saga has some noticeable similarities with the DBAF Xicor Saga (Evil Kaioshin uses the power of the saiyan body against them).
-And while there was already a precedent, Vegeto in the Black Saga was wasted exactly like SS4 Gogeta was in GT.
Not to mention trunks absorbing the genki dama was right out of a movie.
Here you go.
I can't do a definite one. But it's something like
Title: Date in the Library
X they are busy reading books
"Videl looks cute. (I want to move closer)"
"Aa! I forgot I'm going to train with papa today."
"What's wrong Gohan-kun" "Nothing..."
Good night then.
> Unexplained IT.
It's Goku's body. Also Zamasu is a god, he knows more than the average ningen.
The time ring can also allow him to see how Goku fights throughout the ages.
> the rest
Too generic to be "copying"
Next you'll say Naruto and Soul Eater copied DB Multiverse
>It's Goku's body
So fucking what, I'm starting to think the Super writers and fans didn't watch DBZ. Ginyu didn't magically learn the Kaioken.
>Too generic to be "copying"
The energy Scythe is generic for fanfiction, which is why it seems copied. It's typical chuuni edge.
Jesus christ, that saturation.
I like the old style as much as the next guy, but tone that shit down, do ya wanna make someone blind with that?
The rest of your post is excuses, anon. Plausible excuses, but excuses nonetheless. The anime certainly implied Black learned the techniques because it was goku's body. But that's fucking dumb because it's the mind that knows them, as Ginyu vs Goku showed. Super is fucking dumb and it's writers don't know shit about dragon ball.
Zamasu is already aesthetic perfection changing anything about his design would only makes him look worse, you disgusting depraved ningens.
>I can't do a definite one. But it's something like
>Title: Date in the Library
>X they are busy reading books
>"Videl looks cute. (I want to move closer)"
>"Aa! I forgot I'm going to train with papa today."
>"What's wrong Gohan-kun" "Nothing..."
nigga that's cute af
It physically hurts knowing this man is never coming back again.
Why did it happen? Was there fear of his potential growth surpassing Goku? Did Japanese fans just not like the guy? Why??
>But that's fucking dumb because it's the mind that knows them, as Ginyu vs Goku showed.
Black mentioned learning more and more of Goku's power.
He even learned SS (SSR) later on.
It's a gradual process. Black didnt know Goku's abilities from the start.
In the next arc, Gohan hears about how FTrunks saved his world and it flicks a switch in his brain, he starts training again and saves the day against the next villain from outer space.
>Black mentioned learning more and more of Goku's power.
>He even learned SS (SSR) later on.
SS is believable. In the end it's a pretty instinctive transformation, and it's inherent to the body. If Black were to, say, use a Kamehameha, that's believable too. In the end, it's a simple technique learned by many people, sometimes just by seeing it.
Instant Transmission isn't. It's such a complex tecnique no one but goku learned it, so it's a lot less plausible and a lot more dumb. It's about as dumb as instinctively doing a Genkidama.
>It's about as dumb as instinctively doing a Genkidama.
Honestly I don't think anyone will get the same treatment as Trunks.
Trunks could get as strong as the writers wanted him to be, because we will probably never see him again after this so when there is a major threat people can't ask where Trunks is, because he is in the future.
>trunks not only instinctively does a Genkidama with no training, but also is able to fight while collecting energy
Stu as FUCK.
Pandel and other "DB Fusions" characters in Xenoverse 3?
LITERALLY the only thing they had to do to make sense of the situation is make the time limit exist because Goku and Vegeta had used the Potara once before.
Just say the effect isn't as powerful because of it.
But no it's because they're mortals and Old Kai didn't know of it and the time limit came up at the exact moment Vegito lowered his force field inside Buu :^)
With this retarded retcon, you have to wonder if there's a cooldown time. Like if the hour goes by and you defuse, do you just have to take the earrings off and then reattach them? If you just wait long enough with them on will you automatically fuse again eventually?
It's fucking retarded. They should have just gone with your idea of making him less efficient because they'd already done it before. Or just brought in goddamn Gogeta.
>because Goku and Vegeta had used the Potara once before.
That's a little better, but still dumb. The time limit was a bad idea no matter how you slice it, they should have used Gogeta instead.
Nah, those wouldn't be as cool since Goku isn't married to either.
GT had some good concepts, but bad execution back when it was made.
Now imagine if Super's trash team of mouthbreathers tried to remake it. I can't even think of how bad it would be.
Syn Shenron's fight wildly went back and forth between kind of exciting and incredibly dumb
>Goku is blind and still manages to kick the shit out of him
>Syn tries to kill Goku with a fucking clock
>oh shit Cell absorbed Goku! Cell is BACK, BOYS!
>whoops lol, Goku actually came out by himself. have another ugly mishape of GT Cell's face :^)
fuck you Toei
>whaaaa why is Dragon Ball just the Goku and Vegeta show
>what other characters are relevant? INCONSISTENCY! PLOT HOLE! FUCK YOU TORIYAMA
eat shit, you fucking sperglord supreme. People who are taking quantifiable strength seriously is the absolute worst part of Dragon Ball fandom, they're all niggers and spics
>Vegeta trained for an extra year to be able to face Black
>Vegeta fans were actually hype about this
>As expected, Black was fine next episode and beat the shit out of Vegeta with his edgelord Scythe clones.
>Even trunks blew Black the fuck out better than Vegeta did
Kek. Prince of jobbers.
daily reminder this was canon to GT
Frieza and Cell's "Powered Up" forms
agreed, however as humble sniveling peons ours is not the station to question or consider \_o_/'s motives.
If He the true one >praise be< has seen fit to honour a chosen concierge and allow her to use His name, His wish is our uplifting joy to witness- otherwise fire and brimstone for her'\-oo-/'.
In the situation that the puppet master desires to tease and confound said thing/someone and shaming them is not necessarily effective, by making it challenging for subject to post replies that make any sense to onlookers can frustrate the subject and achieve the desired effect. Bloody hell shouldn't have let slip I'm not in fact a spastic;_;
Case in point this will again make me look like a total nonsensical shit poster- as may be Hysoos's (unworthy \_o_/ we be) will.
In Her name, Goddess of Haysoos: boom boom chikka boom boom to the bingely beep
Making side characters relevant via laughably bad writing is worse than just keeping them irrelevant.
Even Super 17 did it better.
There are plenty of valid complaints about animation (though it has improved with the Trunks arc) but most of these complaints boil down to:
>BOO HOO TRUNKS BEAT THE VILLAIN HE SHOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER LEVELS THAT'S BULLSHIT