Why does Ram ride the clown cannon?
>Arc 4 Ch 58
>For animefags looking to continue the story
Yeah. He's out of his country until early December. We might get an update during that time but don't expect much. Lemonwater might relieve us in the next 10-15 days since he's translating the tapenshuu stories, or at least the Rem ones.
Do I look like the kind of guy who would lie to you?
Just pulling these from sample images.
Well, let's see how long your resolve can last.
Hrm? Oh yeah.
I was thinking of maybe buying a copy and removing the DRM, or some such shit.
Let's say that a kid decides he wants to be an engineer because his uncle makes bank as one.
He studies his ass off and gets into engineering college.
Who gets credit for this achievement? The Uncle or the Kid?
If you say uncle, you're an emiliafag.
>Recently finish the anime
>'eh thats kinda shitty they just didnt show Rem for the last 5 episodes but i guess everything worked out'
>Look up Arc 4 online and start reading that and some cut scenes from the anime
Indeed he was, though Subaru being innately broken because of Rem's "death" is pretty bad as well. At least Subaru is based because of her.
Depends if you like tragedy and suffering anon.
It's worth reading the epilogue/ arc 3 interludes because the ending is much more impactful. Also if you want to see Rem uncuck herself look up the other scenes. Those are worth checking out even if you don't want to or won't continue the story from there. I think Re:Zero works much better as a novel from what's been translated so far but some don't like the slower pacing and wordiness of the WN.
>some don't like the slower pacing and wordiness of the WN.
I don't see how anyone could like it. Tappei is a shit writer from what I've seen. He uses twice as many words to say half as much. I'm little pissed the LNs don't come out faster considering all they have to do is edit what was already written.
I have to wonder if that's just a language barrier on top of the WN being more of a rough draft, but we don't have the LNs translated to compare. At least not for free. I never found reading to be a chore and I like the insight we get from the characters, particularly Subaru since the time looper is often their own biggest obstacle , or the small anecdotes in the narration. It's not just editing. Certain plot elements get completely changed in the LN and they cut out entire loops too. Like how Subaru gets into the castle is completely different in the WN. He meets with Rom and Appaman who sneak him into the castle then he gets caught by Priscilla. That takes a few extra chapters.
ramsher just the right way.
So, mega you say? Well, let me go see if I can do something with that. I've never used it before.
Man it's weird to think Rem used to hate Subaru so much just for existing before.
But I like the dialogue, the banter and little moments between Subaru and everyone makes me care for them.
Well, it helps that she didn't exactly hate Subaru for who he was, but rather for what she thought he was.
Now, let's see if this worked.
Didn't work anon
At least Subaru has a taste of what she is capable of if he ever strays too far
Depended on the loop. In the first loop she eventually thought he was okay. They even had a friendly chat a couple of hours before he went to bed and died of the curse. She starts out distrusting him at the beginning of every loop and it develops from there.
What do you think this facial expression is trying to convey? What is Subaru trying to tell us?
>Rem's definitely pregnant
>I'll never get elf pussy
>I have to eat ALL the eggs?
Yes, she has more light tsun banter or cute childish moments that show she's not so above it all but her overall contributions remain too spread out or too low in the early arcs to please a lot of fans.
Great edit anon! If I could make on criticism though, that pic seems to imply Rem isn't cute. Rem is actually VERY cute. That pic might confuse some people.
Every thread until Rem wakes up.
How could I forget such important details? Fixed for real this time. ty anon
Thanks anon, I just installed an ebook reader to try it out. This is awesome.
But that first arc Subaru though
How are Ram's stockings working here? You can see she has them on, but you can't see the tops of them or the garters they would normally have. Is she going no pan? Is that where Rem got the idea?
I hate to sound greedy but do you have the first volume too?
I've got to say, the second book did a better job with the pictures.
Thank you based anon. We probably can't put these up on a pastebin in the OP. Even if mega is pretty good at going under the radar that would be pushing it, but one of the first 3 arcs in English on the web for free is invaluable. I guess we can post these links on occasion if someone is curious about the early arcs.
Nobody is bashing her except for that one guy, even then he is kinda right. While she did grow more independent she hasn't changed much from what she was in the first arc.
Plus while I'm pretty sure he was joking around Remfags are liars thing is a pretty dried out concept since literally every single thing from arc 1-6 have been proven true. With Emiliafags chasing away translators for posting "fake spoilers" with them raving about arc 4 like Emilia will be the greatest thing since sliced bread and Subaru never loving Rem ever. If anyhting we shouldn't be trusting anyone who is an Emiliafag at this point, since you people tarnished your reputation so badly.
>Nobody is bashing her except for that one guy
Except that happens in every threat on Remfags circlejerking here.
>Emiliafags still existing on those threads
Nice concept, maybe next time someone will still believe you.
I wish. They don't seem to have done as good a job with the first one and this doesn't seem to be anywhere in my copy.
I guess I'm going to have to get it translated and typeset it myself if I want to see it.
That is far past us now. Lets try not to bring the shitfling back to these threads. Let's not go back to the dark ages shall we?
>Emiliafags chasing away translators for posting "fake spoilers" with them raving about arc 4 like Emilia will be the greatest thing since sliced bread and Subaru never loving Rem ever.
And now you're treating Emilia like she is the worthless thing ever in every thread and Rem is the most important thing in the series, congratulations, you're a hypocrite.
I can't, I'm still mad and forever will be mad, so much more shit could have been translated if it weren't for them. I'm not even supposed to be this mad but the whole "Remfags are liars" shtick triggers me to no end.
>Emiliafags still existing on those threads
Then why the flying fuck do you care?
The hell are you talking about most of everyone views of Emilia are pretty objective. Have not looked at people's replies? She isn't worthless but she has always been a damsel in distress which most people don't enjoy considering there should be more to her character than that, especially someone who is a main heroine.
It's clear you have your own bias to the erufu when you just had to whine about Remfags while only one fag really said anything memey and insincere to the question. Either way you are just as bad as the people who reply to catfag. Waifu wars are self fulfilling here these days.
I only care about witch pussy and bodily fluids, that's why I can enjoy putting out the circlejerking for a new person here that doesn't understand what is going on.
I completely forgot that most people who used to love Emilia moved to Echidna. At least you people got better taste.
>moved to Echidna from Emilia
Nice try but no.
The one I was liking the most in the anime was Priscilla and part of that because Yukarin.
Also Emilia and Echidna are like world apart on personality.
>makes a world without japanese etiquette and honorifics
>makes a jap-style haircut
First two hair designs were better. Now they look like they have onion shells on heads.
That's obvious but a number of people who enjoyed Emilia because of the silver/white hair fetish they have moved onto Echidna because she had better character, or so I've heard. I'm just simply basing my assumptions off of that.
After reading the other adaptions I forget what was included in the anime and what wasn't but he's the only reason Subaru was present at the castle. From ordering Rem to stand down to covering for him when he arrived. His absence in the witch cult attack was also intentional. Too bad this only gets answered in the arc after the anime ends.
The oni in this setting had clearly jap inspired culture and aesthetics though so it'd make sense they carry some of their old culture with them.
>"T-they didn't really like the character and realized that she was shit r-right ?"
That's a pretty much shitty Remfag assumption and clearly shows the mindset, but other people bias is the problem right ?
>Also Emilia and Echidna are like world apart on personality.
There were some people who said they mostly just liked Emilia for her looks, and Echidna had more or less the same kind of look paired with a personality they liked better. Personally, I switched from Emilia to Rem very early on. Emilia left a good first impression but failed in the follow up, and I realized I was liking her less and less the more I saw and learned of her. Rem was more the opposite.
Oni culture looks pretty Japanese.
Some guys literally said that was exactly what they did.
No, I have heard this exact reasoning from a number of people. Early on there was a complaint about how Emilia is sexy, but she's boring as hell. Echidna solves that problem in a number of people's minds.
Only the honorifics and that just comes with the language. I noticed this by reading the ebooks just now. Subaru noted the twins wouldn't know about things like a formal first greeting between coworkers because they aren't japanese.
They aren't modern Japanese, and so they don't hold the same etiquette Subaru does, but they have their own variations including honorifics and casual/polite/honorific speech.
That doesn't mean shit, it's obvious that many Emiliafags when the anime was airing was shitposters but that was long ago, there still people who like her as always and check here for the translations but obviously they won't engage because the circlejerking.
but if you weren't so concentrate on shitpost a character just because she shares your waifu husbando then you would realize that.
If we ever get a season 2 she will be the next meme girl of Re:Zero.
>Make a stupid comment
>Get a bunch of responses proving you wrong
>It doesn't mean anything, fucking Remfags!
Yeah, no, you're a stupid fuck, and this is why everyone give Emiliafags shit. I'm sure there's some just sitting around enjoying like everyone else, so why is it only that idiots like you speak up? I have been in dozens and dozens of threads and not a single speck of actual debate or legitimate praise for Emilia has come from your mouths.
I don't really talk much about Emilia, and I like to avoid saying anything too bad about her when she comes up.
Ah, thanks! For some reason I think I actually like these designs better, even if they don't feel as appropriate to the characters.
>makes a stupid assumption
>correctly tells you why you are wrong
>b-but you're the one who made the stupid comment!
why i'm not surprised
>I have been in dozens and dozens of threads and not a single speck of actual debate or legitimate praise for Emilia has come from your mouths.
which proves my entire point
>but obviously they won't engage because the circlejerking
see the last part above
Its not a stupid assumption, as THREE people told you, it was the explicit reason given by multiple people. You are wrong, and a stupid ignorant fuck.
And no, it doesn't 'prove your point' All it proves is that nobody has anything nice to actually say about Emilia besides
>She has silver hair
>She can smile
You could have prevented this. You really could have. You just had to open your big mouth.
It's is stupid exacly because the assumption is wrong, because you're going by shitposters which I clearly addressed there and because your stupid bias.
>no! they don't know anything good about the character instead of looks! look at those shitposters who are clearly shallow!
I'm laughing right now, you continue to make the same stupid mistake everytime.
and just to add, I don't even recognize these fuckers as Echidnafags either because the only thing they want is a cute character who is accept by people here and this alone is stupid, but okay.
>because you're going by shitposters which I clearly addressed there and because your stupid bias.
So your claim is that everyone who has ever given that as their reason is a shitposter because you said so and we're the ones with bias?
Its not an assumption when it was the literal statements from actual fucking people. I don't need to assume, they flat out said so. But no, they're all 'shitposters' because despite not ever seeing any of their posts before, you know what they much be because you said so. Here's a hint: No one. Not a single god damn person gives enough shits about Emilia to shitpost her. Its too easy, its too boring, there's nothing to actually go on. She just exists. She has a place in the story, and she's getting there slowly, but she is simply there.
Only remotely true if you consider Rem got benched and Emilia had three arcs to play catch up. You get a lot of insight into Rem's conflicting emotions in the WN including how she feels about Emilia funnily enough. I almost feel like Rem being coma'd is what got her so much characterization in fact. He squeezed out as much as he could before she went dormant while with Emilia he could take his sweet time.
>So your claim is that everyone who has ever given that as their reason is a shitposter because you said so and we're the ones with bias?
you present me people with stupid reasons for their choices (and they changed to another character) and claim that is an entire fandom ? you seriously do not see the contradictory problem on your statement ?
>No one. Not a single god damn person gives enough shits about Emilia to shitpost her.
Now you're being dishonest, and I don't even need to go to other threads for that.
you realize how retard you are right now ?
FERRI IS FOR LOVING, NOT BULLYING
CRUSCH-SAMA WILL RULE LUGNICA WITH HIM
>you seriously do not see the contradictory problem on your statement ?
I don't see the part where anyone claimed all Echidnafags switched from Emiliafags, so no. But hey, that's just another stupid biased assumption on your part, why am I not fucking surprised.
>Your assumption was made by some generalisation on Emiliafags, is part of your own statement.
Go ahead, prove me wrong. Give me some grand insightful opinion on Emilia that makes her a magically better character. In fact, you don't even have to go that far, say one nice thing about her and one thing that SHE has done. Even someone as stupid as you can manage that much, even though between all your bellyaching now and from the last thread you haven't managed so much as even that.
>Go ahead, prove me wrong. Give me some grand insightful opinion on Emilia that makes her a magically better character.
Why would I do that ? Since when I have a obligation in this discussion to defend a point I did not make ? what I said is that your stupid bias doesn't realize that there are people with legitimated reasons to like the character and they don't like to post here, just because you don't like it or encountered retards doesn't mean that they don't exist and even after all the posts you're too dumb to realize that.
>even though between all your bellyaching now and from the last thread you haven't managed so much as even that.
>what I said is that your stupid bias doesn't realize that there are people with legitimated reasons to like the character and they don't like to post here, just because you don't like it or encountered retards doesn't mean that they don't exist and even after all the posts you're too dumb to realize tha
Oh look, you can't do it. Color me fucking surprised. Oh, and I also said, specifically, that most Emiliafags just sit quietly and don't cause shit. You might remember it, since you replied to it here >>149814838
But go ahead and continue to be a retard that can't keep a train of though in their head for more than five seconds and keep going on about bias when the only one biased here is your dumb fucking ass.
Not him but ez. She's kind and she healed him plenty of times, and forgave him for the dumb shit he's done, even the whole royal selection thing which definitely hurt her image by her servant sperging out in the middle of the ceremony
Buy Yen Press epubs for width 1800px resolution illustrations
>I was thinking of maybe buying a copy and removing the DRM, or some such shit.
Some anon already did that and uploaded it to the sekrit klub.
Unfortunately, as with all the official ebooks they rip and upload, they went with the Kindle version
leading to this horrific result.
You're too stupid to understand that I'm not Emiliafag and that I don't want to waste time defending something that I did not post ?
>But go ahead and continue to be a retard that can't keep a train of though in their head for more than five seconds and keep going on about bias when the only one biased here is your dumb fucking ass.
>I'm (somehow) biased to claim that people from a fandom have legitimated reasons to like the character they like just like any fandom and that your stupid ranting about the character means nothing to other people.
you're reached far levels of stupidness that I can't even comprehend anymore.
Nobody claimed that there aren't Emiliafags or that they don't have reasons to like the character. YOU claimed that NOBODY switched from Emilia to Echidna despite being told specifically that they did so and what their reasoning was. Moreover YOU claimed that anybody stating the above was making a biased assumption because they are a butthurt Remfag looking for places to shit on Emilia.
Literally nothing you have said has been true, and the only one making stupid fucking assumptions has been your ignorant ass.
>Lady Emilia already pointed this out, but you desire very little, Subaru
>That's weird. I thought we'd be making up instead of you getting all shocked like that...
>As I have heard from Sister how you gave her perverted looks when you were alone, I was rather resigned to something less decent.
Was Rem thirsty even in the first loop? Has she been waiting for some D all this time?
>Nobody claimed that there aren't Emiliafags or that they don't have reasons to like the character.
That was your own generalisation about them like I said before.
YOU claimed that NOBODY switched from Emilia to Echidna despite being told specifically that they did so and what their reasoning was.
I did not claim that, what I claimed is that they have shitty reasons for that and that doesn't make the whole fandom (which is your generalisation on your assumption that I was one)
>Moreover YOU claimed that anybody stating the above was making a biased assumption because they are a butthurt Remfag looking for places to shit on Emilia.
And many are since this happens often in every thread like I claimed and showed, that was one of my first posts, but you don't want to admit that.
>Literally nothing you have said has been true
you didn't proved shit.
Yes, it is quite the embarrassment.
I almost suspect that YP uploaded them themselves to make sure that pirates only get a shit version.
>That was your own generalisation about them like I said before.
I did not claim that, what I claimed is that they have shitty reasons for that and that doesn't make the whole fandom (which is your generalisation on your assumption that I was one)
Also never claimed.
Good thing you don't actually read any posts and just like making biased fucking assumptions while accusing others of doing the only thing you ever do.
Go learn the English language you dumb fucking retard.
Its fucking insane how fast this thread goes downhill when there's no content. I've only been here for 4 days
Stop arguing about stupid fucking shit, I'd rather look at feris pics than this
that was part of your own assumption, you assumed based on a generalized concept of the fandom on both parts, you don't need to claim that because that's the foundation of the very concept of assuming something, go learn about inductive reasoning.
>Good thing you don't actually read any posts and just like making biased fucking assumptions while accusing others of doing the only thing you ever do.
>Starts making assumptions on who do I like and the fandoms
>But I'm the one making biased assumptions
looks like you don't have any more arguments and is just repeating what I said with no coherent logic at all, pure circular reasoning, this ends here.
>Go learn the English language you dumb fucking retard.
Go learn how to interpretate what people says instead of sperging out just because someone criticized people you are part from.
I even got decent and nice replies from some people who realized what I said and here is you.
>that was part of your own assumption, you assumed based on a generalized concept of the fandom on both parts, you don't need to claim that because that's the foundation of the very concept of assuming something, go learn about inductive reasoning.
Yeah, you're a dumb pseudo-intellectual talking out of your ass. This sentence means literally nothing, but I guess if you think it makes you sound smart. You need to go learn what words mean, come back in ten years, or better yet, fucking never. Now fuck off retard.
I don't think it would work as well. The manga has been decent, and the anime was good enough for a taste, but because of how character driven things are, the less abridged format is the most interesting to me. Although sound and visuals can add quite a lot of impact to certain scenes.
Crusch-sama and Ferri deserve each other
I feel the same way. Up until the last arc starting with the white whale shit, I loved this show because of the character interactions. It sucks how the end of the show was so lame compared to the beginning. I would watch an entire show about the friendship between everyone in the goddamn mansion
Elsa was best girl and she was only in like the first 2 episodes.
You should check these out. They're SoL chapters that take place between arcs 2-3.
- extra chapter: Withdrawal Symptoms
- extra chapter: Mayonnaise
- extra chapter: King
All the promotional materials make them look like incestous lesbians.
I thought they were lesbians at first back when I was going through the first few eps and still thought emilia was best girl.
They're right though. Complaining Emilia being a bland character is perfectly reasonable. Just like how people complain about Rem being a shitty person. Even then, finding isolated pockets of that then having you assume everybody has been shitting on Emilia constantly in a steady stream is absolutely silly and you're viewing everything through tinted glasses.
>They wore black apron dresses with white accents and white lace headpieces on their heads. These outfits were specially modified to expose their narrow shoulders, which, combined with the short skirts, flaunted their body lines in scandalous ways.
Clown confirmed perv.
I assume so, since their outfits differ from Fredrica's. I wonder who modified them or suggested it, since I initially thought Freddie just had the different outfit because she's self conscious about her muscular build and appearance.
That's not the problem, the problem is biased EOPs trying to explain to a new person in a very biased way about her, I can't say that those people is being dishonest, but they just stand by their sides and are incapable to bring any decent point if it is not their waifu.
They could give you entire walltexts to you trying to excuse Rem here and there for being a shitty person and how she wants to improve but can't waste 3 lines to explain Emilia's improvement by being more mature, being more independant, to the point that she conquered all the trials despite her shitty past and is becoming more fitting to rule a country and being dependable by others.
>but can't waste 3 lines to explain Emilia's improvement by being more mature, being more independant, to the point that she conquered all the trials despite her shitty past and is becoming more fitting to rule a country and being dependable by others.
And neither can the spergs who spent a thousand posts claiming that she improves so much. You win an award for being the first person to actually say anything about her development in a concrete way on either side.
Its also worth noting that is an opinion. People will write big long texts about Rem because they have opinions and would like to share them, and have justifications for them. The general opinion I've seen, even among those who can read moon and go ahead is simply that Emilia conquering the trials or helping against Regulus doesn't matter much and isn't groundbreaking or gamechanging. She improves a little, but its bland and uninteresting compared to how every other character grows, not to mention slow. Again, an opinion, and if you have a different one you are free to enlighten the board with actual discussion of the things Emilia does and what others have been overlooking in the situation.
Yeah, but doesn't mean that your opinion is reliable for others, considering we're talking about new people trying to understand what is going on and know nothing about those threads.
Some anons assume he did it for Ram, but then Rem saw it and thought "Wow, Nee-sama looks so cool!" and then requested to wear a similar one, not knowing it was a show off style maid dress on purpose.
Probably for Ram and Roswaal's play time.
Well the original question was "does she get characterization in the WN?" with most people saying "she does but not enough". Plus someone who is asking for oinions will get varying opinions back. The most reasonable approach you can do is give your opinion about Emilia to the guy asking a question rather than pulling the "Remfags are liars" card. Since this is what started the whole debacle in the first place. You went in to bash people who like Rem, instead of giving your own subjective opinion about what the poster was asking for.
He asked for an opinion to begin with, 'better' or 'improve' are both subjective terms in terms of character developments. He's lucky he got some variations on 'yes, but its slow' instead of joke responses or blatant trolling. They weren't terribly specific, because with what most people have to work on there isn't much specific to say, we're halfway through arc 4 on summaries and Emilia has had barely any screentime and nothing has really changed about her yet because we aren't into detailed circumstances.
If there are specific scenes you know about that are major for her character growing or that show off the results of that growth, go ahead and share them. If it gets spoilery, you can put them in tags, some people would be interesting in having cool things Emilia does to look forward to.
EOP thing is wearing thin now that the amount of content you can read as EOP has increased since the anime ended. Most people would still take Spfags word for it on arc 4 if not for summaryanon. And I don't think the complaints about Emilia were wrong
But, but! So don't go quoting the above and flip out. I think these criticisms are more criticisms of the story structure and arc than they are criticisms of Emilia as a character. In a roundabout way people are asking for more of her like arc 1 or arc 2 where she has plenty of chats until the climax (where she started to fall out of favor). I know she does quite a bit in the last loop of this fourth arc but it honestly felt like Tappei was stuck with her here but I feel that's just a consequence of Subaru dicking around with everyone else. Her presence was desperately needed when she was out of the spotlight for the last two climaxes.
This is sort of my guess, although I suppose Ram herself could've suggested it. It seems sort of in-line with something Ram would do, plus that parts it draws attention to, slender frame, legs, neckline, I think work better on Ram's assets given that she's got little going on in the chest department.
I summon you, drawbro. Return to these threads.
>I think these criticisms are more criticisms of the story structure and arc than they are criticisms of Emilia as a character.
This is my biggest thing. Its not that Emilia is bad per se, but the story keeps sidelining her. You can see that she wants to help, but at the same time Subaru keeps going around preventing her from doing anything by solving problems for her. She seems to be easily persuaded into standing aside even though she wants to be useful. I'd really like a scene where she addresses that, but I'm not sure if one ever happens.
Subaru also needs to stop meme flirting with her, since her general reaction to that has mostly been mild confusion. Although I've heard at some point she does the pose, and I guess just accepting or rolling more with the meme flirting would be pretty funny as well.
This. As it stands Emilia is a far blander despite being the main heroine in the middle of a colorful cast. Even reading the first 20 chapters where Emilia talks was nothing but boring with me wanting more of other characters and their banter. Its as if she has been made as the generic main heroine for the sake of being the generic main heroine and it irritates me and don't get me started on her being a love interest.
But that's the thing really, that's why more people enjoy talking about other characters other than Emilia because they are a league or two more interesting than her, hell, even Betelguese gets talked a lot surprisingly.
I know, I know, but the thing is, In my mind I don't find hard do that you know ? I don't believe if people here is being serious if they couldn't do better than that, that was I think.
Well, is not that thin because the amount of content Arc 4 has and things happens very slow on this arc, Subaru is still figuring out what the fuck happened on past loops and then something new happens that brings new information and he again trying to figure out.
Also I do think people blow out of proportion the importance of some climax scenes or characterization, but this is another matter.
I was saying that I don't find hard for people to think more than their opinion to give a better reply, of course I can't assume that everyone will think the same thing, but still this bugs me out.
>Also I do think people blow out of proportion the importance of some climax scenes or characterization, but this is another matter.
See, the biggest trick is showing the results of the characterization. So right now, most people know Emilia passes the trials herself. But what isn't really known is how she really goes about that and what, if any behavioral changes that results in. We can see in arc 6 that she is willing to accept Rem and that she needs to put in effort to keep Subaru's attention, and is willing to do so. This is an awareness she doesn't currently have, so something must've changed, but we don't know specifically what or when.
You can see big changes in Subaru's behavior after important scenes, but we're lacking either the characterization or the results in most cases on Emilia, so we can't comment on them with any real specificity.
And the details are significantly important, especially in a character driven work like this. The why and the exact context are almost more important than the action itself.
Its also worth noting that backstory and context aren't the same thing as characterization. We know Emilia has a vaguely troubled past, so while the details on it are really cool, they aren't that needed to understand that she is the way she is because of that. You can do a more direct explaination of the whys and hows, but even when talking about Rem most people just accept that she has a massive inferiority complex without bothering to bring up the details in her backstory that justify it.
Well that's the thing, people are being serious, that's why the people, including including myself, were arguing with you about. It really is hard to talk about anything interesting about Emilia considering she is not interesting for a number of people. That's why people kept asking you to give your opinion of Emilia. But instead you just promptly started sperging everyone who gave you a reply, to which that one anon sperged back.
Well I used arc 2 as an example because she was still fairly active in that loop even without the lap pillow. No climaxes there because if we're just going on climax then Emilia does great in arc 4. In this arc Subaru has more people to juggle and they're also all pretty entertaining and engaging but Emilia just seems kind of there in comparison. Not entirely her fault so the problem is meta. Again, that's really Subaru's fault and I wish Tappei had found a way to give her a better follow up after she was gone for most of the third arc.
Well its pretty clear-cut as to why Rem has that inferiority complex in the first place. Most people accept it because the WN/Anime/Manga was so on the nose about it you'd need to be a brick in order to not understand where it stems from. Plus it has been explained thoroughly numerous times and even revised/revisited by a number of anons. With more willing to go into depth about it if such a topic arises.
>I wish Tappei had found a way to give her a better follow up after she was gone for most of the third arc.
I'm not entirely sure he's not doing this shit on purpose. A lot of other stuff he does is very purposeful, he has to know what he's doing.
Well the same thing applies to Emilia her. People understand she's a socially awkward brick with a poor understanding of the world. The backstory justifies her being that way, but isn't needed to talk about this as a starting point.
What was the actual subject about? Because my argument was that most of the opinions aren't bashes. You are also party to blame being called a shill due to the fact that, again, you started pulling out the "Remfgs are liars" card which most people identify as a shitpost and will treat it as such.
>“Two people handling a place this huge? You’d think people would die from overwork no matter how good they are. That said…it doesn’t feel like you’re going to be hiring any new maids here?”
Ferri is crying. As a good person, what do you do?
long discussion about assumptions on who I like and fandoms
Because that was not only today, people we're bashing on her in almost every thread, there is no reason for me to take it serious after all that.
I haven't started reading it yet. Is it really that bad?
I've actually been in every thread since arc 4 translations from the red ogre/blue ogre theory to now. I have not seen anyone actively bashing on Emilia, witch the exceptions of small pockets that get no replies like the ones in this thread. Everything has been mostly Ferris bullying. Unless you are still shellsocked from the waifuwars. Even last thread there was no Emilia bashing, just a really heated debate on who has actively put in the most change into Subaru.
Doesn't seem there was any drama involved. They hired some nerd off of twitter for volume 1 and didn't contract him for 2. I thought looking at the result, it was obvious why, but seeing vol2 now, I don't think they gave a fuck about quality. Maybe somebody's weeb cousin was just cheaper.
I don't think it was mentioned in arc 2, but yes, Rem does approximately 90% of everything. And thats also with Subaru hanging around. Fredrica can also maintain the mansion by herself.
That was in the anime to. Subaru is dumbfounded that Ram takes pride in being worse than her sister at maid stuff and usually just cuts up vegetables in the kitchen.
FERRI IS AN ANGEL. IF YOU BULLY ANGELS, YOU WILL BE THROWN TO HELL!
They got orphaned and their home got burned down, He's probably the first rich guy and she's been whoring herself to him to ensure they get a roof over their heads and meals in their stomach. I'm not judging her though, she's a good sister for being willing to be used like that for her and her sister's sake. Those first few times must have sucked though, they were quite little when it happened.
Clown still treats her better than subaru does rem.
At the very least he hasn't emotionally manipulated her into loving him and then at the peak of her confession said "I love Echidna" then go on a tangent about how much he wants to make her smile and shit. There's no coming back from something like that.
Good, you and I both. Thank god Subaru's daughteru wants to kill him.
Oh anon, you've only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how much of a dick he is it Ram. Kee in mind he conditioned Ram to treat him like some addictive narcotic due to mana.
>Clown still treats her better than subaru does rem.
You gotta be shitting me right now. Subaru is going through hell and back for Rem and treats her like she is the most precious thing he has in this world. Roswaal on the other hand is a literal wifebeater.
I have been, I've quoted exemples in this very thread not so long ago, maybe you just didn't care but they where there, this is 4chan after all.
Also people complained about me but not the shitposter who replied with bashing.
but he is doing all that for the greater good.
But those were the most cherrypicked of examples. two posts with one to no replies and you assume its an active emiliabash. Even then most of their complaints stem from you calling them liars and it escalated from there.
He hasn't humiliated her by having Ram pour her heart out and then retaliating by cucking her. Regardless of what happened under the tree, the damage is done.
And she would be dead if not for his daily treatments. Are we going to blame the doctor for trauma patients getting addicted to Morphine now?
>He hasn't humiliated her by having Ram pour her heart out and then retaliating by cucking her.
He literally has, its called his waifu Echidna. Then proceeded to nearly kill her, call her a pawn, and makes fun of her village getting destroyed.
Except he could have prevented her horn for getting cut since he was there when the oni village as destroyed but followed his book to get Ram and use her. Did I also forget to mention Roswaal is using her for eugenics as well? Talk about killing Ram's firstborn your yourself.
It's hard to tell how sincere she's being, but I think Subaru was always kind of her type. She didn't change all of her tastes to match Subaru, but rather Subaru showed her the sides of himself that matched her tastes.
It's not all that strange that she likes pathetic tryhards and thinks they're cute.
Not in a position to stop her really. She mentions it with Subaru kind of that her sister's complex is really hard to crack. Being the center of the complex all Ram can really do is try and not let her position as the elder sister slip.
I think she did it in the anime as well, but I recall it being in a later loop. Maybe they moved it?
>Nearly kills her
>Ram goes back to loving him because of mana addiction
I will never not be mad
Nah. Roswaal is actually surprised to hear she loves him, because he pays more attention to his book than the world around him.
>has amazing taste in waifu
>is such a shit person and does everything wrong for her
>she probably doesn't even give a shit and is more interested in Toyota
Why is Roswaal such a shit?
>[Petra: Why can’t someone other than Subaru-sama do it? Someone—another person…..you should just leave it up to someone stronger or something like that, like Master, since he has the time.]
>[Subaru: I…I understand. I understand just how much frustration you’ve had piled up because of how Roswaal wastes his time so often. Stop trying to add things on in attempts to drive Roswaal off to his death. It creates an intense amount of tension in the camp.]
>It wouldn’t be a problem if it was just things like Roswaal not noticing how Petra put squeezed juice from cloth into his tea. However, it would obviously be bad if she started to clearly show her hostility and malice. Subaru let out a commanding voice before it would turn out like this, but Petra’ eyed Subaru with a serious look. It seemed like half-assed deception and insincere words wouldn’t be able to convince her. Also, above all, Petra was seriously worried about Subaru’s safety. Saying anything unnecessary and careless in this situation would be disrespectful to Petra’s feelings of anxiety.
Death by daughteru
Otto makes it look like an accident involving auto-erotic asphyxiation. I don't think anyone would be asking any questions.
Subaru didn't manipulate her into loving him. He never asked for Rem to be that way, especially when it complicated things with his whole half elf pursuit. If anything it was the other way around.
>Echidna reappears in her old body
>sees Subaru and the clown working together
>has decided she wants Subaru all for herself as part of her "Greed"
>sees the clown
>ignores him because she doesn't recognize him nor gives a shit
I want this to happen so fucking badly.
Suicide after getting cucked.
>[Petra: It was rough with the demon beasts; it was rough with the witch cult; it was rough with the dirt spiders; it was rough with the goddess image; it was rough at the Elior forest; and it was rough cleaning the graves too. Despite all that, you still fought with the witch cult at Pristella, and then Otto and the others di……still fought.]
>[Subaru: Otto nearly killed us back then.]
>“Otto died too much”. Amazingly enough, Subaru was in complete agreement with this, but he wished that he wouldn’t simply die. If Otto were to die, Subaru could no longer let himself die—not to exaggerate it as a friendship that would continue through death or anything like that, though.
His death obviously. This is an excerpt of arc 6. After he came back from a rather dangerous missions/expeditions and a war. Needless to say, Subaru after arc 3 is pretty based.
I want to see him get mauled by Meili's demon beasts
I actually agree on this, but I think he did kind of enable and encourage her behavior because he liked the attention. I get the impression that was one of his motives
How does Roswaal's Gospel even work? Does he have a Witch Factor? Can just anyone read a Gospel so long as they have one? Or is Subaru's ability to read Pete's book more related to Sloth starting to settle down in his system, and Echidna's Witch Factor only helped that along like she said it would?
Would someone need to absorb a portion of Roswaal's soul to read the thing? The idea of Otto finding a way to become the new clown is just a little unsettling.
Being labeled Rem's Hero does things to a man.
>it was rough with the goddess image
What? I don't really get what this is. Is this translated right?
He really is an hero.
>How does Roswaal's Gospel even work?
Not sure on how detailed it is. Pete's was pretty bare bones, but Roswaal's is supposedly better.
>Does he have a Witch Factor?
I doubt it because he doesn't seem to smell
>Can just anyone read a Gospel so long as they have one?
They're given out by someone and the intended recipient can read them. I don't even know for sure where the WC's come from, probably Pandora using incomplete methods.
No fuck you Roswaal is an absolute asshat that deserves to be bashed. He even wanted to use Rem's death to break Subaru and use him. Fuck that guy and everything he stands for.
Do you know what the clown also could have given her? Her fucking village and life back.
He actually doesn't. Not that she would mind being treated like his dog. In day to day activities they seem to openly like each other, and they riff off each other constantly while exchanging knowing glances about situations. Now, the subtext here is that Roswaal thinks he's in a game with a crafty vengeful Oni and Ram just wants to ride the clown cannon.
>He even wanted to use Rem's death to break Subaru and use him.
He didn't, unless you're talking about a future event where he targets Rem. His Gospel is likely not detailed enough to include things about Rem and if she was in there before she won't be in there now. There's no way to verify what he did or didn't know concerning Rem until she gets restored and Otto fixes and reads his Gospel.
In loop 4 of Arc 2 he was legitimately surprised she was killed, if only because he needs her to run his shit and it affects his pet oni.
>[Subaru: If I were to disregard my feelings and think of it from a rational viewpoint…..anyone could be the one to wake her up. If something like a ridiculous disease of never being able to wake up were to spread, and if we were to only talk about saving them, I wouldn’t care about who’d be the one to develop a vaccine or a specific medicine for it. I wouldn’t care about the process, if it meant saving them.]
>[Subaru: But if my feelings drive in, I want to do things my way. I want to be the one to save them. I want to be the the one to wake them up. I want to give it my all and save everything.]
>——-Thus, Natsuki Subaru would be the one to go.
>There were countless others who were stronger.
>There were countless others who were more reliable.
>There were countless others who were wiser.
>There were countless others of class who were more wonderful.
>But Natsuki Subaru would ignore all of that, and he would be the one to go. He did this only because he wanted to be praised by this girl after he saved her.
>[Subaru: Sorry for disappointing you with my selfishness.]
They enabled each other so both get an even split of the blame. It's not really an exaggeration to say they're both a lot alike. In the mayo scramble chapter he even humorously and hypocritically whined that he wanted to be the one to complete the mayo on his own because he had low self esteem and sought praise not long after complaining Rem was getting out of hand. Like outright uses those words.
>there are people actually defending the clown in this thread
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
>probably Pandora using incomplete methods.
I get the feel the WC Gospels are intentionally incomplete. I suspect the Bishops receive information on a "need to know" basis, because the Gospels need to have access to more information than they let on for them to work. Whatever is behind them probably knows how the Bishops will act depending on the circumstances they're placed in, and the instructions are kept vague so not even the Bishops know what the fuck they're trying to do.
His cat, then. Every villain needs a cat.
>Subaru went into agreement in response to Ram’s dismissive words.
>They ate up too much time outside the mansion. It wouldn’t be surprising for Frederica and even Roswaal to show up eventually if they ended up wasting any more time.
Candidates of the king’s election and the chief of the territory were gathered, but the question was what were they doing.
>[Subaru: Is Roswaal making his way towards the mansion?]
>Ram―who began walking to guide the others―tapped Petra’s shoulder to relieve her stiffness. When Emilia tried to call out to Ram from behind, she replied with a “Yes” without taking a look back.
>[Ram: I’m all too familiar with the depths of men who lack composure. Barusu’s especially is one that has an open hole where your contents are being poured out, so you should be careful. To have people become aware of your depths and then finding out you’re empty inside is the worst.]
Why do I get the feeling that Ram wants out in her relationship with Roswaal?
There are a lot of complicated characters in the story, and not understanding the clown for what he actually is makes it detrimental to understanding what is actually going on.
I'm all for memebashing the clown every now and again, but weird claims like that he abuses Ram on the regular reflect awfully on Ram and even Rem to a lesser extent for seemingly allowing it to continue. If he was actually beating her up there's no way Rem wouldn't notice and no way she would ignore it. Ram herself probably wouldn't have affection for him at all if he constantly berated her about being nothing more than a cocksleeve.
The clown is complicated and lies at the center of a lot of bullshit, so its important to know what is occurring without giving in to wild claims. He's quite bad enough as it without people making up more horrible things for him to do, and if you're gonna go that far you might as well just meme post and spam the vocaroo.
Echidna is a babe.
Probably not the last edit yet.
>Why do I get the feeling that Ram wants out in her relationship with Roswaal?
I'd really need to see how Arc 4 goes down because I'm curious about what she already knows and what she finds out. She needs to just move on to Otto, clearly.
>I'm all for memebashing the clown every now and again, but weird claims like that he abuses Ram on the regular reflect awfully on Ram and even Rem to a lesser extent for seemingly allowing it to continue. If he was actually beating her up there's no way Rem wouldn't notice and no way she would ignore it. Ram herself probably wouldn't have affection for him at all if he constantly berated her about being nothing more than a cocksleeve.
Okay well that actually makes sense. Yeah, it's dumb for the "clown is terrible" memers to blatantly make shit up like that. Since last I checked the only time he actively harmed Ram is when she
burned his book.
But really though, the clown does deserve everything that is going to come for him. Even if I'm somewhat interested in his motivations myself.
Keep going anon, you're doing great work!
>Ram herself probably wouldn't have affection for him at all if he constantly berated her about being nothing more than a cocksleeve.
Wasn't it stated that he does exactly just that? With Ram admitting to it while fighting with Roswaal?
I don't know, translations aren't that far and I can't moon well enough. I'd be inclined to believe something like that is possible, but I'd rather not spam something that we can't readily verify. That way lies fake spoilers about Rem getting flayed alive, or raped, or cut to pieces by Pete.
He actually would have if it weren't for Gaaf. But the odd thing is Ram barely gave a shit that that actually happened to Roswaal even going against his orders and helping him during that loop as Big Boss. You can really see the hints of Ram's wavering faith to Roswaal in this regard.
Also she wasn't going against his orders, because at that point she was the one giving them. We don't know exactly what went down between them, but she didn't seem inclined to order the injured clown to help cover them from Garfiel, though it was within her power to do so.
Yep. It's not too hard to read the intent. The only one Subaru got wrong was that Rem's probably more of a wolf, not a dog.
Eh. We'll have to see the actually shit translated when Lemonwater gets to it. However, I think one reason why Ram managed to get attached to coma Rem is that focusing solely on the clown is probably exhausting.
>Why do I get the feeling that Ram wants out in her relationship with Roswaal?
She left to go to a tower on a journey that would separate her from Roswaal for months. She probably wanted to take a break and find someone else to be close with.
I also remembered that characters have a habit of projecting in Re:Zero. What does Ram bitch at Subaru about? That he's not paying enough attention, or dedicating enough of himself, to Rem. She questions if he's truly earnest in his devotion or just a pervert with baser motives.
>She left to go to a tower on a journey that would separate her from Roswaal for months
Actually, how is she holding up? Was she overstating her need for regular hot mana injections before?
Bully, your mean words are going to make Rem cry.
>and go find the nearest seasonal fujo show thread to lurk in.
She secretly redraws scenes so that they're all Subaru, and keeps a hidden stash of art that's just constant Subarus fucking other Subarus.
Some of it is surprisingly detailed and accurate gore.Fortunately, it all vanished when Ley ate her name, so Petra will be the one to discover it while cleaning Rem's room before she gets back.
Yep. Just wait until it gets shared around the mansion, through to the village, and out into the greater world.
Whoops. Replied to the wrong post. That was for: >>149835716
As for you. I actually like the art with Betelgeuse and Emilia. Somehow that just works for me.
FOR MY LOVE
This song is too good for (hypothetical) Final Boss fights. I think it's an okay fit for a Dark Lord Subaru confrontation.
Shame it isn't the actual final boss music for that game
>Meeting his mom face-to-face in the living room, Subaru sucks up some of the contents from the
mayo bottle and casually sets it on the table. Naoko tilts her head.
>Naoko: “We'll keep it a secret from Dad. Drinking Dad's mayonnaise... Look, don't you think it's
economical to taste the great flavour of mayonnaise and the flavour of Dad at the same time?”
>Looking as if she's feigning ignorance about not recognizing Subaru's hesitation, Naoko casually
glances back and forth between Subaru and the mayonnaise. Probably she wants some mayo just as
must as she wants to hear her son go on with this.
>Naoko: “Why are you being so touchy? Want some mayonnaise to calm down?”
>Naoko holds out a bottle of mayonnaise with an 'S' written on the cap, demarcating it as Subaru's
>Naoko sets the Subarunaise on the table and idly spins it around as she speaks. Subaru's throat
clamps shut in surprise.
>Naoko: “Okay Subaru, which would you choose, the world or mayonnaise?”
>That said, Subaru's status as a Mayolover is not in question. Whenever you ask what seasoning he's
going to go for it's mayonnaise. Mayonnaise for all fried foods. Snacks are mayonnaise flavoured
with extra mayonnaise spread on them.
>Subaru gives a sigh and reaches for the mayo on the table.
>He swallows down the once-full bottle of mayonnaise in one go, savouring the sour taste burning
down his throat. This, was the mayonnaise that mayonnaise junkies couldn't ever stop loving.
>By the way Subaru keeps a personal collection of all the caps of all the mayo bottles he's eaten in
his room. There's 776. And with this new guy, it's 777.
Fucking mayo boy Subaru. This is seriously disgusting.
I can get someone wanting to use it as a condiment, but you'd have to be a real animal to eat the shit straight from the bottle.
That's why a specific someone got rid of his mayo addiction. Thank god that aspect of Subaru didn't transfer onto this world.
>Naoko: “After all, you don't really like mayonnaise.”
>Subaru goes silent.
>Naoko: “You just drank it with us because me and dad love mayonnaise.
Conveniently left out this part of that scene anon. I'm sure he thought it was nasty at first too, but just went along with it.
Though I find it hilarious how Beatrice in the AU got made fun of for it.
>Implying you wouldn't
Wait for the battle-scars to don this body.
>Subaru goes final boss
>Insert song plays
>Its not a big bad orchestral
If this plays while Subaru loses himself it will be absolutely heartbreaking.
We are finally getting fan-art of it