Dragon Ball Super

Yeah, good talk you fucking faggots. You all talk shit about how everybody's mad that someone other than Goku won. You fucking pissants act like Goku wins all the time but can't answer why he lost to Tenshinhan, Tambourine, Piccolo Daimao, Mister Popo, Kami, Raditz, Vegeta, Ginyu, No. 19, Cell, Beerus, Frost, Hit, Black, and Zamasu. Fuck you. Drop the bullshit claim that people are mad because Trunks won. Super Trunks is shit because the writing is shit. You guys claim to like him, and claim he's best boy, but Toei didn't give a fuck enough to actually write well for him and you assholes eat that shit up. Fuck each and every one of you, you fucking idiots. Trunks was fucking great without all of the bullshit in Super.

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>>149731794
Best boy, best couple, best waifu, best episode, best arc.

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So now that the dust has settled, which was better: Naruto vs Sasuke, or Vegetto vs Zamasu?

No

It needs spirit/life energy condensed into matter to take out Zamasu.

Vegetto is superior in battle but cannot go on for this like forever, on the other hand Zamasu simply tanked everything.

The Final Kamehameha had 0 effect on Zamasu.

>>149731840
No, we're mad at the asspulls and retcons. I couldn't care less if Trunks won against Zamasu, but at least do so in a way that doesn't seem sueish.

>>149731840
People aren't mad Goku lost, they are mad he lost THE FINAL FIGHT.

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>>149731794
it doesnt matter because trunks could beat all of them at once

>>149731812
All of my keks :-DDD

>>149731794
Vegeta and Goku together could beat him. So yes, Beerus would get flattened.

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hi

>>149731873
Ichigo vs. Aizen don't kid yourself

>>149731923
I think Beerus could outlast the 5 minute lifespan of Vegito

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Wow look at all this "personality" Trunks has! He just sure is an awesome character and a really nice guy, so let's give him everything he needs because he totally isn't a Chad who gets everything for free anyway!

>>149731812
accurate

>>149731873
pikachu vs charmander

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>>149731934
Hi!

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>ZAMASU
TRUNKED
>VEGETTO
TRUNKED
>BUU
TRUNKED
>DABURA
TRUNKED
>CELL
TRUNKED
>ANDROIDS 17 AND 18
TRUNKED
>FRIEZA AND KING COLD
TRUNKED
>GOGETA
NOW EQUAL TO VEGETTO

Is there a more efficient character than Trunks? THIS IS TRUNKS' ARC

>>149732014
>>GOGETA
>NOW EQUAL TO VEGETTO

Not really, fusion is also hindered by transformations. Gotenks got fucked by SSJ3 and SSB is a way more powerful form than SSJ3, SSB Gogeta would last like 2 minutes

>>149732014
We had it all wrong from the start.

It was never GOKUWINSLOL

It was Trunks. It was always Trunks. Shit, he probably went back and time and poisoned Frieza so Goku could beat him.

>>149732072
Gotenks lasted the full duration

>>149732131
wrong

>>149732131
he could only hold SSJ3 for 5 minutes

>Context: after Goten and Trunks reach Super Saiyan 3 as Gotenks for the first time

>Trunks: “…But its weak point is time…See…We’re only able to become it for about 5 minutes…Then even our Fusion comes undone and we turn back into two people…”

>Goten: “That’s no problem. We’ll become that way right off the bat! Even with just 5 minutes, we’ll definitely be able to take care of him!”

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>>149731934
hi

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Look, look everyone. See how nice and good of a character Trunks is? His looks? Oh well we don't care about that. Trunks is just REALLY, REALLY "COOL".

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Vegeta x Great Saiyaman 2 fusion (which is basically just Vegeta in the Saiyaman outfit)

>>149732156
Look it up, then

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>>149731979
Stay Salty,im here laughing at you(Nice Gif By the way)

what's the new vaughnlive live stream link since "wtt002" is closed down due to copyright

Trunks is the real mastermind behind everything in Z and Super, the real puppeteer.

>>149732208
>Vegeta wearing Videl's costume

>>149732175
he was talking to himself? post page

>>149732002
So this is why Goten could go SSJ at such a young age. SUPER SAIYAN SPERM!

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>>149732201
The coolest

1 HOUR
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>>149732208
>vegeta being even more of a manlet than he already is
How can this be possible?

>>149732254
Chapter 295, P2.6-9, P3.3

>>149732276
He fused with some one who's just as small as he is so it started going to negative

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Trunks is my favorite character ever. The first time I saw him, I don't KNOW WHAT IT WAS, but I just "felt" that he was a REALLY COOL GUY. He's just, NOT LIKE THE OTHER SAIYANS, no, no he's fucking DIFFERENT FOR SOME FUCKING REASON

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>>149732254

>>149732278
nigga, that a namek saga, just post that damn page

>>149732381
It's the 295th chapter for Z

Why are people so upset adult Trunks is so strong? Isn't he just Gohan but if he decided to train basically? DBZ usually said half-saiyan half human is stronger than full saiyan.

Super will go on hiatus until 2017.

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>>149732409
dunno man those random sites on google gave me retarded results

>>149732422
Because he isn't Gohan. And now he's probably fucking surpassed whatever power level Mystic Gohan had.

>>149732467
see
>>149732378

>>149732471
gohan isnt gohan anymore too

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>>149732467

>>149732440
I didn't think of it, but now that you mention it, it's very likely. Toriyama said he was going to go ahead of the anime with his manga.

>>149732467
oh god its hte meme page

>>149732507
>>149732378
not canon

>>149732520
>his

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"Aww Trunks you lost your mommy and now you're sad? You're such an emotional person that didn't deserve that" *hugs Trunks*

Where was Gohan's fucking hug when he was growing up? What about Piccolo's death? Dende's? Krillin's? His mom's?! Fucking Videl getting the shit beat out of her? "Oh no son, you can't help her, just sit right fucking here and watch". Trunks gets showered with hugs, hand holdings, affection, attention, and fangirls, while Gohan gets fucking shit.

>>149732534
what did he mean by this?

>>149732539
My bad. Toyotaro's manga.

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>>149732530
tell me

>>149732534
cannon*

>>149732471
He isnt Gohan but hes got the same thing going on. If Goten were adult age, he'd probably be as strong too.

>>149731794
Can they beat the character who only fought once, will never fight again and whose tier of strength is entirely determined by how hard he gets Toriyama?

>>149732378
By the way if we go by manga rules, Gohan VS Buutenks also lasted 5 minutes, and Vegetto VS Buuhan had way less panels overall and fast paced action so it wasn't even close to an hour. Not to mention he literally becomes a candy.

Super's retcon is 100% retarded.

>>149732611
I didn't say anything about the retcon being bad, I was making the point that fusions are affected by transformations just like potaras are now

>>149732257
Jokes aside I always assumed that, but my theory is busted because of Vegeta and Trunks.

Goku and Vegeta had problems getting to SSJ because they were pure saiyans.
Gohan had much easier time and overall higher potential because he was a hybrid.
Goten was quite powerful and able to go SSJ because he was conceived after Goku became a SSJ himself, literally passing the SSJ gene.

But Vegeta fucked Bulma before he got SSJ, so Trunks being so strong as a kid makes no sense. Future Trunks on the other hand was Gohan tier.

So it's really all up to plot convenience.

>>149732698
>Goten was quite powerful and able to go SSJ because he was conceived after Goku became a SSJ himself, literally passing the SSJ gene.
That's not how genes work.

>>149732698
>But Vegeta fucked Bulma before he got SSJ
we dont know this, vego could be training his ssj for a year or two before androids

>>149732646
That's why I said "By the way", I was just using your evidence as a stepping stone for my argument.

You fucking faggots will say anything to justify seeing your favorites do cool shit even if it doesn't make sense. At least fucking admit to that. You motherfuckers have been swearing up and down that people only have an issue with Trunks winning because Goku lost the FINAL battle, but you can't even explain why he's lost to enshinhan, Tambourine, Piccolo Daimao, Mister Popo, Kami, Raditz, Vegeta, Ginyu, No. 19, Cell, Beerus, Frost, Hit, Black, and Zamasu. Fuck you, you dense motherfuckers. All Trunks had to fucking do was have ONE scene where he was TRAINING with VEGETA or maybe even GOKU and they decided to show him some of the shit he did all on his own so that it wouldn't be an asspull. Fuck you assholes. Trunks was great before. Super fucking sucks and so do you Super Trunksfags, you're not real Trunks fans you're just self-inserting as Mai fuck you fuck you FUCK you

>>149732751
Not literally speaking.
>>149732754
Didn't he fuck off to space and returned only after getting a SSJ?

>>149732208
anyone got more fusions

>>149732788
>>Didn't he fuck off to space and returned only after getting a SSJ?
yes but we dont know the time he did that

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Anon, I made you a cupcake.

>>149732788
>literally passing the SSJ gene.
>not literally speaking
You're sending me mixed messages. I think we need to break up.

>>149732837
How about you make me a girlfriend instead.

>>149731794
Vegito vs buu was really similar to this fight. Buu and zamasu get in some hits but are carried by their regenerative abilities. I never got the sense that vegito was in any danger.

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>Can't believe this arc is already over
>Some meh moments here and there, but legitimately enjoyed the arc overall
>Meanwhile, my country looks like it's already done dubbing and transmitting the first arc (Lord Bills saga)

>Just remembered that the Black Goku saga will inevitably be dubbed
>Black Goku with Henrique Feist's voice

The gay parading jokes are going to be through the fucking roof

>>149732897
Buu didnt get a single hit in

>People are mad that Goku didnt beat another villain

wew lads, this is why Gohan got turned into a jobber after the Cell saga

>>149732973
People are mad about the how not the who

>>149732858
Well I fucked up.
>>149732833
Everyone was surprised to see him go SSJ against 19, so probably he fucked Bulma, decided to train alone in space, then returned just in time for androids.

But who knows. Was Trunks timeline Vegeta a SSJ when androids attacked?

>>149732973
>People are mad at the big ass fucking asspull
ftfy

>>149731934
I miss kaioshinfag.

>>149732973
>being this retarded
wew

>>149731794
>"Hakai"
>Vegito ded

...

>>149733027
but he went to space two years before trunks, trunks was only few months old in androids saga

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It's a shame even during higher budget episodes they can't animate the same sense of power and detail from certain scenes. They came pretty close this time but not close enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR--dJJhJNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbBlxCBfplM
I'm surprised they will spend the budget on shitty filler episodes rather than make less episodes but higher quality.

>>149733216
Blame digital animation

How do I watch DBS if i've already seen the movies. What episodes am I missing and whee so i start from?

>>149732973
>superdrones still trying to defend this shit

>>149731794
Idk, but Trunks surely can, as long as his friends are cheering for him.

>>149733216
That's probably my biggest complaint with super, everything feels weak

>>149733216
>I'm surprised they will spend the budget on shitty filler episodes rather than make less episodes but higher quality.
They need to keep the timeslot going to maintain ratings.

>>149732925
On the note of voices

JP Beerus >>>>> NA Beerus (too shit)
JP Vegeta > NA Vegeta (too constipated)
NA Goku > JP Goku (too annoying)

>>149733216
I am seriously wondering why animation in DBZ 20 years ago was so much better than it is now..

>>149733267
You can watch the bridging episodes

1-2 are pre BoGs
15-18 take place between BoGs and RoF.

Or just skip to episode 28 which takes place after RoF.

>>149732604
No he doesn't. Cause if he did, he'd have been a hell of a lot stronger during the cell games.
He wasn't.

Gohan is a unique entity.
He's a mutant.
Like Frieza
Like Uub

>>149733216
Why is low quality sound and music so much better than clean ones

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>>149733216
Correct

It shows that they totally lack passion for this series.

They use its name for nothing than milking money out of it.

Look at it, it looks like some 5 year old kid has drawn this.

It's pathetic.

Even the Final Kamehameha felt lame.

The only time I felt some thrill was Goku Blue using Kaioken.

>>149733216
I can't even imagine Goku giving any sort of support like that to anyone nowadays.

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>>149733216
I guess I meant to include this instead of the other Cell vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYaIunqys-U

>>149733412
like goten

>>149733412
>Cause if he did, he'd have been a hell of a lot stronger during the cell games.
He didn't do Goku's "stay in SSJ form" training, so he lagged behind there. Future Gohan said that Trunks would surpass him in a few months in the manga (where he had SSJ from the start like his present counterpart).

>F. Trunks is the saiyan messiah

What does this make our kids trunks? Spin off cash grab when

Trunks has always been better than Gohan, literally Gohan except with the drive and motivation to fight and train and not utterly job when winning is a possibility. Trunks killing Blackmasu is better since its trunks world and he was the first to fight black, thank god we didnt get another "And Goku saves the day yet again!! Fucking vegito shitters are the worst although i will admit his presence felt a little underwhelming

>>149733425
>Why is low quality sound and music so much better

Are you sure you didn't mean to ask why Z is better than Kai? Sound quality has nothing to do with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A5wM18x4QA

>>149732471
Nigger the reason why Gohan is that strong isn't because he's Gohan, it's because he's a half-saiyan

Did people not see the animation for when Vegito and Zamasu were duking it out? Even if the episode was a mess, don't take it out on the animation quality.

>>149733425
It feels more gritty and hits harder.
The clear sounds just makes you aware that you're listening to a recording.

It's like how everyone touted the superiority of HD but no one actually uses HD and everyone uses the blurred gritty forgiving stuff that looks only marginally different from the old stuff.

>>149733463
>that pic
Fug.. I remember watching this episode the very first time it played on Toonami. That shit changes a man. I wish Gohan didn't grow up to be such a cuck. Gohan redemption when

>>149733301
>NA Goku > JP Goku (too annoying)
I feel like Nozawa has gone too shrill with Goku's voice in Super. Or maybe it's really noticeable now that she's also doing Black's and it's not as pitchy.

>>149733624
She did, Z Goku was much better. Acting like an idiot all the time doesn't help either.

>>149733478
and nappa said young vegeta was a prodigy in a training room, it doesnt mean shit

>>149733454
>the building just stands there like nothing is happening
>not being blown away

>>149733570
All it did was make me upset that the rest of the show looks like hot garbage

>>149733477
No
>>149733478
If staying in SSJ form was good training then why aren't goku and gohan doing it?

Gohan is superior because he's a full fledged mutant who's in canon shown more obscene levels of power then nearly anyone on the planet.

Dude, it's fucking canon that Gohan, as a three year old with NO training what so ever was the most powerful person on the planet up until halfway into the saiyan saga.

Trunks at no point showed that level of power potential and he and Goten had saiyan epigenetics on their side.
They learened and progressed faster, but they hit the ceiling of their power levels and didn't go much further faster then everyone else.

Gohan was busy breaking his foot in Perfect Cells ass at Trunks and Gotens age.
Fucks sake neither of those little idiots can go SSJ2 let alone ultra saiyan or even know what an ascendant saiyan is.

>Retards saying Trunks > Vegetto now
Vegetto was in control the whole entire fight while Trunks couldn't do shit to BigGuyForYou until he got the energy from everyone

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>>149731934
hi welcome back

>>149731794
I was absolutely sure SSB Vegitto should give Beerus a run for his money but he was absolutely pitiful. Beerus would rape him.

>>149733759
>Vegetto was in control the whole entire fight
>lost a test of strength and got knocked down

>inb4hediditonpurpose

headcanon

>>149733602
>>149733463

I get some Akira vibe from that scene.

>>149733569
This is a massive half assed retcon that throws out litterally every single fucking thing that has been shown in dragon ball since the beginning of what we know of as DBZ.

All so they can handwaive shitty writing.
It doesn't wash.

Gohan is canon more powerful then everyone else because he's a fucking mutant. Not because he's a half saiyan.
If anything his demon heritage is what is helping his saiyan heritage out and not the other way around.

>>149733216

i honestly cannot watch this show for more than 10 seconds at a time, because of how god awful the art style and animation are. and i'm reading subtitled and shit. how do japanese tolerate it?

>>149733781
Oh shit full pic where

Our only hope is Toyotarou, only he can fix this and make this less shit. Hell even the nips didn't like the retcon and sueness
If he does fix it I shall only consider the manga canon; the true successor. The anime could fix itself by making a 2 part movie about it.

>>149733747
>If staying in SSJ form was good training then why aren't goku and gohan doing it?
Because Toriyama clearly wanted to eliminate all of the Cell Saga sub-SSJ levels, aside from SSJ2, by the time the Buu Saga started. Everyone is just using basic SSJ or SSJ2 in the Buu Saga rather than the other two viable variations from the Cell Saga (Goku's permanent SSJ or Vegeta's false ascended SSJ).

Anyway, after the Buu Saga, Goten and Trunks have pretty much followed the Teen Gohan route. They might playfight a little and so not actually lose power, but they don't actually train to become stronger either, that's why they're stuck there.

FUCKING TRUNKS FAGS JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP. JUST FUCKING SHUT THE FUCKING FUCK UP.

FUCK ALL YOUR BULLSHIT HEADCANON ABOUT HIM BEING STRONGER THAN VEGITO OR BEERUS OR WHIS OR EVEN FUCKING GOKU AND VEGETA. HE GOT A FUCKING ASSPULL BULLSHIT HANDOUT WITH THIS RETARDED AS FUCK SPIRIT BOMB INTO SWORD NONSENSE, IT WASN'T HIS FUCKING POWER AT ALL. HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ON THE FUCKING LEVEL OF GODDAMN FUTURE ZAMASU.

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR SHITTY MARY SUE SELF-INSERT SHONEN KEK FUCK. HE'S A FUCKING PIECE OF TRASH JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU. I DON'T COME TO THESE GODDAMN THREADS TO LISTEN TO YOU FUCKNIG FAGGOTS JERK OFF THIS SHITTY MARY SUE CHARACTER WITH YOUR RETARDED FUCKING NONSENSICAL HEADCANON.

FUCK OFF

>>149731794
No. They can only pull that off for 7 mins. Beerus would just bid time. also They don't have God Ki so the 7 mins would be fruitless even if they beat him the fuck up with no nonsense chatter and time wasting.

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>>149733216
>>149733262
>>149733292
>>149733425
>>149733454
>>149733463
>>149733859

>>149733926
Beerus doesn't fight so it doesn't matter anyway

>>149733912
Yo man, chill.

I really do want to see the budget of each episode.

Goku going SSBlue and using 10xKaioken was pure sex.

No matter whether you think it is canon or not, that episode total dope.

It conveyed the ridiculous jump in power pretty well.

It was the only time when Goku in Super fought seriously, using every repetoire of his skills.

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>>149733759
>Vegetto was in control the whole entire fight
Watch the episode fampai.

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>>149733858
>Gohan is canon more powerful then everyone else because he's a fucking mutant. Not because he's a half saiyan.

Gohan has never been said to be a mutant. On the other hand, the idea that hybrids are stronger has been directly mentioned.

>>149733895
The only time anyone used SSJ2 during the buu arc was when gohan fought dabura then goku and vegeta fought.
Every other time after that, it was absolutely ineffectual and so outclassed when it really mattered that it might as well have not been used at all.

>>149733912
it's funny because the real headcanon is coming from Vegettofags, they look just as bad as Brolyfags

>he dominated him

lost a test of strength and got knocked down. And no, he didn't do it on purpose. Why would a cocky fucker like Vegetto do something like that? Not to mention he coughed in pain when he got punched

>Final Kamehameha did absolutely nothing

Punching the person around for awhile means jack shit if it didn't hurt them. At least fucking Broly actually hurt the Z Fighters so the "he won because he beat them up for a long time" argument makes more sense than the Vegettofags

>>149733985
That was a feint, retard.

>>149733624
Yeah I didn't actually mind Black's voice. Goku's shrieking irks me though, always has.

Likely unpopular opinion: Brian Drummond (Ocean) Vegeta > Chris Sabat (Funimation) Vegeta

>>149733858
>retcon
Nigger it was said that half-saiyans were stronger than normal saiyans by Vegeta himself back in the Saiyan Saga

>>149734017
>if it didn't hurt them
Although it was fading, Zamasu was still somewhat immortal, he was still regenerating at the least.

you can hate the ending. but how would you feel if this was the LAST time you were ever going to see future trunks?

>>149733955
>delusional Superfag pretends that nostalgia is the only possible explanation for why people negatively compare its awful fights to Z's better ones

>>149734002
You're right.
But Gohan is much much MUCH stronger then the hybrids.
It's not even a fucking question or guess. It's part of DB canon that's as rock solid as goku knowing the kamehawave, vegeta being a prince, bulma being a massive slut who's got more notches in her headboard then points in her retardedly high IQ, and gohan fucking bitchy dyke videl straight with that BSC and making her into a good little housewife.

>>149734031
>h-he was only pretending!
Another Cuckgettofag in denial. He lost the exchange, you dumb spas. Get over it.

>>149734124
Wouldn't really care.

>>149734124
Then it would be a really poor send off.

>>149734056
Yes up to a point.
Gohan is the unique exception.
He's leagues stronger then both trunks and goten and this being trotted out as the reason for Trunks bullshit asspull power ups is fucking trash that breaks litterally EVERYTHING in DB.

>>149734124
Ecstatic, current timeline Trunks is clearly the alpha and superior incarnation.

>>149734163
Bet you think he didn't get absorbed by Buu on purpose either, right?

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>>149733292
>my biggest complaint with super, everything feels weak

>>149734157
Goten and Trunks were much stronger than Gohan at their own age in the Buu Saga. Future Gohan said that Future Trunks would surpass him in a few months. So, there was nothing indicating that Gohan was special compared to them.

It's only when we get to the modern material that we get Goten and Trunks getting stuck in their Buu Saga levels, and so left behind by Cell Games Gohan.

But then now we have Future Trunks going way beyond any power Gohan ever reached.

>>149734124
I'm fine with it.
I'm fine with the fact that F.Trunks won the fight and Goku had little to no involvement with why he won.
What I don't like about it is that Trunks does not know Spirit Bomb. That a Spirit Bomb is the exact right type of Ki to kill gods and that They had enough Ki in that spirit bomb from just a handful of surviving humans, a dog and a half dead flower.

This was some JRPG power of friendship type bullshit shit.
I would have rather had Trunks go full on LSSJ or some shit and cripple Zamasu so the other two gods could somehow banish him. Or Bulma coming back from the past with a new pot and Seal.

That was, in fact, basically just a Spirit Bomb in a sword, wasn't it? But it was apparently automatic. Much like how Trunks' power level rising close to Super Saiyan Blue was also automatic.

Gohan always had that kind of power because he was a hybrid, put under extreme pressure, and really ascended with the support of his father (or at least a father figure).

I dunno, maybe the Father-Son-Remember-The-One-Handed-Kamehameha-Galick-Gun moment took Trunks to another level because he finally got his dad's acceptance or some shit.

>>149734253
Well right before he got absorbed he said "this better work" and put up a barrier

When Zamasu punched him he coughed in pain and went flying, then when they showed his face after he landed the spirit sword he had bruises

>>149734253
He had a reason to get absorbed by Buu, you fucking retard. He had no reason whatsoever to hold back against Zamasu. And he was clearly giving his all before he got overpowered. But hey, the Nile isn't just a river.

>>149734297
>Goku had little to no involvement with why he won.
He powered the Genki Dama

>>149734315
>Father-Son-Remember-The-One-Handed-Kamehameha-Galick-Gun
'Member Cell?

>>149734297

They show even the trees around Roshi's house giving energy. Trunks received power from every living being in the planet.

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>>149733859
I feel the animation is really what sucked in most of the audiences back in the day which is why it's so frustrating watching half assed attempts.
When we were kids we didn't care about who Goku was before Z or who these villains were and why they wanted to kill Goku or the team.
All we knew was that the fights were on a grander and more elegant scale than any other show airing on TV at the time and it was exhilarating. Take another scene from the cell saga for example. Even though it's not as bombastic or flashy as other fights the attention to detail in the animation and sense of speed keeps the audience on their toes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZEFs_A0l7U
A big reason why One Punch Man took off so hard was because it captured what people love more about DBZ, the fight scenes and epic animation, not so much the story yet DBS feels the story is important for some odd reason.

>>149734377
Yeah. All six of them.

>>149734407
The early episodes of this arc showed that natural areas around the ruined cities were basically untouched.

Have we ever considered that Breeus knows Kaioken?

>>149734377
Which wasn't fucking much since the entire damn planet is pretty much devastated through multiple Genocidal super villains and lack of dragon balls.
that spirit bomb had less power in it than goku's first fucking spirit bomb.

>>149734398
Man, even the fucking smoke cloud effects feel like they've had more effort put into them than every DBS episode.

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>>149733865
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=59863861

>>149734297
>complaining about shounen asspulls
>dragonball
>???

Trunks is like Gohan. It's just that those obscene amounts of power have to be unlocked under the right circumstances.

Everyone is questioning why Trunks remained at a static rate of power during the Cell Games, but we could ask the same thing about Gohan after years against the Androids in Trunks's future. Neither were probably in a good space to progress at that time. Trunks throughout super, however, has grown leaps and bounds.

>>149734455
No it didn't. This one had power from two Super Saiyan Blues (who have God powers) and a Supreme Kai.

It's like if you took energy from Beerus. That's worth basically a planet by itself.

I bet the same Vegettofags asspulling to try and make excuses for him or make up headcanon are the same ones who repeatedly shit on Gohan or whoever else for getting shafted. It's all fun and games until their favorite OP character gets nerfed a little

>>149734449
Well it's Kaio's original technique, I don't really see him teaching Beerus.

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>>149734398
>All we knew was that the fights were on a grander and more elegant scale

>>149734494
Gohan also had pretty mediocre growth in the 3 years between Freeza and the Androids.

>>149734236
>Trunks bullshit asspull power ups
Zenkai. Trunks would get his ass kicked and then recover. Continously. So he would power up dramatically each time. It doesn't help that canonically Trunks SSJ2 edged out Goku's SSJ2 by just a fraction and his Full-Powered SSJ2 was able to potentially rival Goku SSJ3. According to the manga at least.

Here's my take on the whole Buu defusion thing and why it makes sense.

Buu absorbs someone, he breaks them down and absorbs them into his body (like how digestion works), his body then reforms the being in a special part of his body (no not THAT part) so that the being can generate the additional power for him (like a new battery)

However, when Vegito was absorbed, he was protected by his shield, so Buu's body couldn't break him down. When the shield was lowered, Vegito was suddenly exposed to Buu's internal atmosphere, which tried to break Vegito down again, but this process wasn't as strong as the first, and since Vegito is TWO people in one, Buu's body broke down Vegito in the most basic (and easiest) way possible, hence the separation.

>>149734284
1.Saiyan epiginetics states that the children will become stronger faster based on when poppa fucked momma and that's it.

2.Goten and Trunks NEVER come close to achieving SSJ2 on their own. They never come close to achieve ultra or ascended on their own.
They get to SSJ1 and despite having the best fighters on the planet as their teachers and constantly sparring and training with each other, they have NEVER EVEN COME CLOSE.

Yes they are stronger, but that's besides the point.

Will they grow stronger then Gohan over time with training and hardship?
No, they will not. Not ever.
Even when gohan dicked(litterally he had pan and fucked videl retarded on the reg) around for 7 fucking years and even forgot his goddamned gi he was still early buu late perfect cell saga levels in power.

Trunks had to go train with the supreme kai and STILL barely managed to achieve a SSJ2 form that was canonically WEAKER then fucking Perfect Cell saga Gohans Super Saiyan 2 form.

Gohan is the exception. Not the rule that they can use to handwaive their bullshit power ups.

I only want them to explain how Trunks could make a Genkidama while:

>Fighting
>In SSJ2
>Not knowing the technique

I can understand the Pottara 1h limitation and the old kai not knowing it but the genkidama thing was retarded (cool as fuck, but retarded)

>>149734494
>under the right circumstances
Yes, being accepted by his father. Gohan beat Cell because of the spirit of his dad. Trunks/Vegeta's throwback moment in the last episode finally brought closure to an element of Trunks' character that's been going on since he first arrived in the series.

His dad finally accepts him.

>>149734561
Asspull

>>149734561
The Earth became Tien.

>>149734492
I would get the Spirit bomb if Trunks even fucking know what it was in the first place.
He never witnessed it. He never learned it as far as the manga and anime is concerned.
They pull the Spirit bomb out to kill things the Z warriors are not strong enough to kill themselves. But the only person who could have pulled that off at the time was goku.
Trunks fucking summons a spirit bomb from a miniscule amount of power left on the planet while not even knowing he is doing it and while he is fucking fighting zamasu.
Goku has to fucking stand still to gather energy.
Complete and utter explainable bullshit.

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>>149734455
They should have shown these shots again. As soon as you get out of the cities, the world is fine.

>>149734527
That is because when there is peace Gohan spends all his time studying becausee Chichi murders him if he doesn't. Why would he train if he doesn't like fighting as much as he likes studying and not as much as Goku does, while there was no danger to protect the earth from?

>>149734315
They just had no idea how to close the massive gap in power properly. Even though they could just make him stronger to begin with - since he met the Kais, I see no reason why they decided to destroy the Z sword instead of letting Trunks get a Mystic power up. Then patch up the broken sword so he has a powerful, godly weapon, and then slowly improve even further over the year of struggle against Black. He would start much closer to SSB, and wielding the Z sword for a year would be a much better explanation why he can use god ki (long exposure).

While in the past he would learn that Gohan also achieved Mystic (and sharing that with his mentor would be important to him), while Gohan would have another reason to git gud seeing how strong Trunks is.

The only problem might be that Mystic Z-sword wielding Trunks sounds like a total fanfic, but fuck, Super isn't much better than that anyway.

>>149734527
>Freeza and the Androids.

anyone need a band name

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>>149734609

>>149734561
Trunks didn't "make" anything. Every living being in the planet just gave their power to him, which gathered in an energy ball similar to a Genki Dama.

>>149734609
DBZ had like 12 different animation teams.
Supers A team doesn't even reach the heights of Z's B-E teams.

You do realize that Trunks's SSJ2 was equal to SSJ3 in power according to the Manga right? He also beat Dabura.

>>149734494
The only thing trunks and gohan have in common is the fact that they're both half saiyajin.

Gohan is a fucking mutant.
Trunks doesn't get a fucking handwaive and a "YOU STRONG AS GOHAN BECUASE YOURE A HALF SAIYAJIN TOO".
That has at no point EVER been the fucking case at any point in any fucking page or ep of DBZ.
Not once.
Not even now.

Only in Super is this being trotted out as the reason for their lazy ass badly thought out orgy of asspulls.

Can anyone with Dragon Ball Fusions show me gold frieza/final form cooler fused?

>>149734541
Then explain Buutenks.

So who DIDN'T get btfo over the course of this arc?

>>149734648

That needs someone to gather that energy.

Before absorbing enery Trunks made a light explosion...maybe that triggered the thing.

>>149734561
Bad writing

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>>149734662
Whatever anon.

>>149734712

Yamcha

>>149734533
>It doesn't help that canonically Trunks SSJ2 edged out Goku's SSJ2 by just a fraction
Fucking stupid.

>His Full-Powered SSJ2 was able to potentially rival Goku SSJ3. According to the manga at least.
Even fucking dumber.

Goddamnit why do they want to suck off oldschool trunks so much?
Are they that terrified of changing the character that they play up the SSJ2 as something even greater then it is?

Is there a filler-less cut of Japanese Z? Kind of like Kai, but with the original tracks intact.

>>149734680
The power gap is still massive.
Even with the God ki Trunks has it still baffles me how he is somehow able to keep up with Blue.

>>149734646
Noy trying to say it's great or anyhing but that's a Kai gif.

>>149734688
Trunks caught up to and progressed alongside Vegeta in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Kid Trunks, just like Goten, turns Super Saiyan without even thinking about it.

Everybody's talking about what Gohan was doing by the time he was Kid Trunks' age. Gohan was also taken into the fucking mountains by Piccolo, trained to within an inch of his life, went off to Namek, did all that shit and then trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to become a Super Saiyan THEN fought Cell, so no shit he advanced quicker than Kid Trunks did.

Trunks still has the same basic advantages that Gohan has, he just hasn't had anywhere near as much training.

>>149734680
Considering SS2 gohan was on equal foot with dabura and his sole purpose on the arc was to job i wouldn't consider beating adabura a big feat.

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tfw no more gay kai lovers

>>149734039
>unpopular
Drummond nails how psychotic and rage filled Vegeta is during the Saiyan and Namek saga. Sabat's chain smoking variation was an easy transition when I was younger but, man, he really can't hold a candle to Drummond.

I really wish I could heard Drummond and Schemmel have an exchange. I miss hearing Drummond's screeching grunts and scenery chewing.

>>149734797
Looks just as shit in DBZ

>>149734039
Drummond worked better when Vegeta was a villain.

>>149734731
I like how you can only show like 3 good scenes in Super which the latest good scene was purposely sped the fuck up to make you miss any possible animation fuck ups.

That whole damn scene was like I was watching the episode on fast forward.

>>149734782
Nope. You could always suck it up and take the ride, there's nothing inherently terrible and will last you lots.

>>149734568
>Gohan beat Cell because of the spirit of his dad.
Gohan brutalized Cell the moment he went SSJ2.
Only when Vegetable fucked it all up and got Gohan's arm broken and Goku got all "you're not supposed act like me when you beat up assholes!" that it got all fucked up.

>lol 1 hour fusion now
>lol trunks can do spirit bomb now

what the fuck am i watching

So is Trunks stronger than Vegitto now or what?

>>149734545
The kids getting stuck in their Buu Saga level comes from the new material, not the old show, and yet you want to use that to say that the new material that shows Trunks going way beyond that doesn't make sense?

>They get to SSJ1 and despite having the best fighters on the planet as their teachers and constantly sparring and training with each other, they have NEVER EVEN COME CLOSE.
They playfight. They don't seriously train after the Buu Saga. The one time Vegeta told them they should train to become stronger by themselves (before the U6 tournament) they immediately gave up rather than actually doing it.

>Trunks had to go train with the supreme kai and STILL barely managed to achieve a SSJ2 form that was canonically WEAKER then fucking Perfect Cell saga Gohans Super Saiyan 2 form.
Huh? If you're going by the anime, Trunks beat Dabura with SSJ1. He had problems against Dabura with SSJ2 in the manga, but considering how he easily could use the Z Sword by that point (while Buu Saga Gohan had problems wielding it in the beginning), it just suggests that Future Dabura was stronger than his present counterpart. And if you ARE going by the manga, then a while later he has an improved SSJ2 form that matches SSJ3.

>>149734890
Toei's fanfiction

>>149734039
Drummond's good for when Vegeta's a villain. Good, but only just. His voice fits early Vegeta well in tone, but his acting is shit until the rage kicks in. He can sell that well. Sabat isn't all that, either. He's improved in a lot of ways over the years, though. I think Horikawa does it best.

>>149734711

no barrier

>>149734831
Nah, if anything it'd look more organic.

>>149734844
Drummind would have worked better even with not-villain Vegeta, if he just ditched the gruffy voice.

>>149734801
>Trunks still has the same basic advantages that Gohan has, he just hasn't had anywhere near as much training.

This. Future Trunks had no formal training like Gohan did, other than with (surprise surprise) Gohan himself. Trunks has as much untapped potential as Gohan ever did, Gohan just got chance to develop it properly. Trunks is doing it all on the fly. This was his "SSJ2 moment".

>>149731840
Goku also lost to Yamcha and Roshi

So if Gohan is this unique super mutant, can anyone explain to me why he remained weak as fuck for years during Trunks's future?

>>149734863
I've already seen it. Just thought to ask out of curiosity. Fans come up with a lot of things for this community, after all.

>>149734898
No. Zamasu was decaying after a long, hard-fought battle with Vegetto. Trunks powered up, and received more power from Goku, Vegeta, and the refugees to finish him off with a Spirit Bomb. Trunks isn't in the same class of power as Vegetto, nor should he be. He's still very fucking strong, though.

>>149734632
The only magic that the Z sword has is that it's heavy as fuck and a perfect place to put stupid kais.

And if exposure to god ki worked like that then goku should have been able to go SSJBlue during the king piccolo arc.
Hell the Namekians should all have god ki and god powers.

If they wanted to have him close the gap then they should have had him travelling in the other world learning fighitng skills from the dead and talking to gohan and shit.

What we got was mediocre trash.

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>>149734849
Thanks for confirming you don't know shit about animation.

>>149734898
Only when he got the energy of the planet, its people's, Goku and Vegeta's, against an enemy wore down by Vegetto.

In short, no.

>>149733699
>and nappa said young vegeta was a prodigy in a training room, it doesnt mean shit
It did. Vegeta was stomping Raditz-level Saibamen as a youth. What that translated to was Vegeta having 18,000 as a base power level. He was the strongest living Saiyan despite his age, and his base attack trumped Goku who had to rely on Kaioken to Vegeta.

>>149734801
>Trunks still has the same basic advantages that Gohan has, he just hasn't had anywhere near as much training.
I'm assuming Trunks trained on the Kai planet with them for longer than a day like Gohan did

>>149734939
See >>149733955

>>149734632
You people, and generally the fanbase of DB are really not so bright.

That Mystic stuff was clearly God ki, an early concept of Toriyama's.
Gohan basically tapped into God power in Buu saga, raising his base form to new heights.

If you think it is something different, you and the others clearly are not the brightest people, even among /a/nons.

>>149734966
He lost to Yamcha due to Lack of food. Kid was starving in a desert. Perfectly find survival bandit kicks a starving kids ass.
Roshi was just plain stronger than Goku at the time. also he trained him and analyzed his current weaknesses.
He also got rocked by Tien once. Goku was again starving at the time.

>>149735003
Ironically, Super retconned Z sword to be Beerus's work, so it would be easy to explain why some god ki would linger it it.

>>149734316
>then when they showed his face after he landed the spirit sword he had bruises
Because he got punched in the fucking face. Doesn't mean he didn't take the blow on purpose. It was a feint. Vegeto had solid control the entire fucking fight.

>>149734983
>Zamasu was decaying after a long, hard-fought battle with Vegetto.
Zamasu was unscathed in the fight with Vegetto though.

>>149735050
>That Mystic stuff was clearly God ki, an early concept of Toriyama's.
And you think others aren't bright.

>>149735050
So what you're saying is Gohan demonstrated God Ki when briefly activating his Mystic SSJ form against Frieza's troops, Whis and Beerus were within proximity to feel it, and neither of them said anything about it.

And Gohan's had access to God Ki ever since going Mystic.

Sure, sure. Makes sense.

>>149735014
Look at you. showing 2 of the 3 scenes that are actually well animated.
What's next. Super Saiyan Blue goku going Kaiken?

I'm still right about The Vegito fight. that shit was sped the fuck up. you didn't speed it up. the animation studio did.

how did trunks make a spirit bomb in two seconds when it takes goku 30 episodes

>>149734632
>I see no reason why they decided to destroy the Z sword instead of letting Trunks get a Mystic power up
Dabura spat on the sword and Supreme Kai told Trunks to drop it or else he'd be petrified. Once Trunks did Dabura targeted the sword with a beam and destroyed that shit. Remember--no one knew the Z-Sword housed the Elder Kai within it, When the blade was severed he was able to escape. Dabura obliterated it however so Elder Kai went right the fuck along with it. So Future Trunks going Mystic wasn't an option.

>>149735127
Gohan tried to attack Beerus during BoG, if Mystic was anything close to god ki Beerus would assume he is the one supposed to be/become SSG.

>>149735137
Because rather than trying to knowingly gather the energy, the energy formed because the planet just... gave it to him. The only people who knew what they were doing were Goku and Vegeta.

It was like a Natural Spirit Bomb. I dunno, maybe that's how the first ever Spirit Bomb happened for the Kais to know of the technique.

>>149733542
I don't mind Trunks winning. Just how they did and the way they treated him the whole arc. Glad he will be gone next week.

>>149735050
Not him, but that sounds like headcanon. I like it, though.

>>149735106
He was regenerating, but wasn't doing so instantly as he had before. That's because he damage he was taking was outspeeding the rate his body could recover. They did one thing poorly with the fight, and that was getting that point across with the actual action sequence.

They looked pretty, but they were ultimately worthless. Zamasu took a Final Kamehameha and shot out of the rubble about two seconds later with his aura flared. He was enraged. This gives people the impression that Zamasu wasn't fazed by it. But he was, and it stoked his rage. He was on the losing end. Watch their exchange again.

>>149735172
I know what happened, I mean why Toriyama, or whoever decided it should go that way, didn't let Trunks go Mystic instead.

>>149731794
Goku and Vegeta Vs Pernida and Gerard?

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>>149735050
>That Mystic stuff was clearly God ki, an early concept of Toriyama's.

Nah, that Mystic stuff was Gohan tapping into his Zenkai power, so that he could reaches his natural peak, with no further upgrades after healing. Buu himself takes note of that.

>>149735096
Why are you ignoring that he grunted in pain right before he got punched as well? It's completely out of character for someone as cocky as Vegetto to not only take a punch on purpose but to fake being in pain as well. Complete headcanon

>>149735127
You retard, if you think the Gohan we know from Z is the same as displayed in Super, you are simply dumb.
In Super he is has less relevancy than the Pilaf gang.

That stuff against Frieza's troops was stupid as shit.

Gohan having trouble with some peasant tier fighters who even Mutenroshi could face against.


>mentioning stuff "making sense"

Holy moly, DB fanbase is clearly mostly made of dumb nuts.

>>149735254
That Gohan is literally the same character. You can't say he had God Ki at one point before and just... doesn't now?

"Mystic" is base form unlocked potential. It's something Gohan can still *do*. If it was God Ki, somebody would've noticed.

And I'm the retard..

>>149735137
Goku was borrowing energy from plants and animals. Takes a more lot time than with people.

Of you're talking about the Buu arc, be was fighting on another plan of existence, most if the people didn't know who the fuck he was, and they were rooting for Satan, not for him.

Here you have people who can directly look at the fight, know who Trunks is and cheer him on to kick the motherfucker's ass. So energy is gathered more quickly.

>>149734801
>Trunks caught up to and progressed alongside Vegeta in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
He got stronger yes, but Vegetta was absolutely far ahead of him in pure power. Or do you think the Ultra Saiyajin form is something that Vegetta and Goku hadn't both quickly figured out and discarded?

>Kid Trunks, just like Goten, turns Super Saiyan without even thinking about it.
Yes, Saiyajin epignetics at work and mimicking people who do ki attacks by simply watching.
That and Goku banged ChiChi half to death while walking around in SSJ1 form.
Doesn't mean they'll instantly just gain a massive chunk of power.
That didn't even happen in the fucking buu saga and they were both being trained by fucking piccolo.

>Everybody's talking about what Gohan ...
Future Trunks was trained how to fight by the man who grew up and survived all of that horror WHILE having to fight and flee from the invincible androids.
Know what you're admitting right now? That it makes absolutely no fucking sense that his SSJ2 should be as strong as SSJ3. That he has no way to train enough to survive like that and Zenkai boosts don't give as much of a boost as a dedicated day of hard fucking training.

>Trunks still has the same basic advantages that Gohan has, he just hasn't had anywhere near as much training.
Trunks has had more training then Gohan.
Think I'm kidding?

Gohan was trained for
1 year by piccolo during the saiyan saga
few weeks by krillian during the namek and frieza saga
1-2 years by piccolo and goku during the android saga
Less then a year by Goku in the time chamber during the cell saga.

Trunks?
Was trained from the time he was a kid till he was thirteen by Gohan so around TEN FUCKING YEARS
2 years with Vegeta in the room of spirit and time

Gohan SIX YEARS OF ACTUAL FUCKING TRAINING!
Trunks TWELVE YEARS OF TRAINING AND THATS NOT INCLUDING SUPER!!


Dude.

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>>149735174
Gohan was the only other Saiyan besides Goku and Vegeta to physically touch Beerus.

>>149734776
>Are they that terrified of changing the character that they play up the SSJ2 as something even greater then it is?
Apparently SSJ3 is too much of a stamina drain to reliably maintain it for the length of a battle. Sucks because I really like the look of it.

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>>149735191
>He was enraged. This gives people the impression that Zamasu wasn't fazed by it. But he was, and it stoked his rage.
lol

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Another thing Super fails at is environment damage being shown and longer engagements than people being hit 4 times and blasted away.
Take note during this scene how much debris is destroyed and how smoke and dust is a theme of the fight showing how much wind is being generated by their movements in such a dry environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9BoD3uqre4

anons wtf are you arguing about now can someone give me a tl;dr?

>>149735131
You know why the cell fight was good? It's because they didn't need to animate Goku and Cell that much. It's a clever tactic, making them move so fast that they didn't need to animate them they just needed the screen to pan and zoom around with boom boom crash sounds.
This one is infinitely superior, and it was just a few minutes.

>>149735223
Because of Trunks could go mystic and kept training he wouldn't need Goku and Vegeta's help.

>>149735452
Autists being autists.

>>149735452
People are arguing that Gohan had God Ki when he was Mystic. People are also arguing that Trunks is stronger than Vegetto.

>>149735418
>t-there's not enough dust!!!
What a stupid complaint.

>>149735406
The point is, Beerus was specifically looking for saiyan god. If Mystic had god ki, Gohan would be his first suspect.
>>149735452
Stupid shit that makes no sense because Toriyama is a senile fuck that wanted to end the story at Freeza, but pushed by his editor had to expand it for two more arcs (and now Super), while never putting enough thought into anything and making a coherent story and set of rules.

More or less.

>>149734606
>I would get the Spirit bomb if Trunks even fucking know what it was in the first place. He never witnessed it. He never learned it as far as the manga and anime is concerned.

I don't see how Future Gohan couldn't have taught it to him.

>>149735542
>Toriyama is a senile fuck that wanted to end the story at Freeza

People still believe that shit?

>>149735548
Because he never learned that either.

>>149735548
Because he didn't
Gohan didn't know how to spirit bomb either.
Yeah he saw it twice before hand. once on namek and once on earth. both different forms.
Trunks looked surprised to see that ball of energy above him.
completely bullshit.

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>>149735418
>Another thing Super fails at is environment damage being shown
pay attention anon

>>149735384
Not him but surely now it makes even more sense that Trunks should be so advanced if he's had more training and lived through more?

>>149735406
Since trunks apparently has magical ki powers now he should be able to use SSJ3.
Fuck his entire style of no nonsense straight forward fighting would match perfectly with SSJ3.

>>149731812
Come back Kubo. You're forgiven.

>>149735615
It's not bullshit, it's a spirit bomb that formed by itself, from the will of the people. That's literally what this whole arc was about - the will of mortals overthrowing a god.

>>149735467
SSB is still eons above what Trunks could achieve on his own, but that way the gap in power wouldn't be so ridiculous.

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>>149735458
Another thing more modern animation studios like to do to show speed, fluid motion or power is to distort lines and form. What makes older animated fights in DBZ fairly impressive is there is minimal distortion from the character's form. They are a rigid shape throughout most scenes

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>>149735223
Because he probably forgot. Toriyama has a shit memory. I mean, Gohan going Super Saiyan would've made him weaker because Mystic being his Base was all of his strength untapped.

Yet now he's struggling to go Super Saiyan. I just can't, man.

>>149735249
>Why are you ignoring that he grunted in pain right before he got punched as well? It's completely out of character for someone as cocky as Vegetto to not only take a punch on purpose but to fake being in pain as well.

Because he had to sell the attack, anon. Do you not know how feinting works? And by your argument what does one punch prove? Vegeto was utterly bodying Zamasu. If your top point to demonstrate that Zamasu wasn't being dominated was that he landed a single blow on Vegeto then it enough.

>>149735653
He said he "settled" for the power-up SSJ2 allowed him. If he pushed himself to SSJ3 he'd probably not like the stamina withdrawal.

Even though the arc is about to end with Zeno defeating Zamasu and Super Saiyan Mint Trunks I still think the arc was great, not counting Original DB the ranking is:
Frieza saga > Ningen saga > Android Saga(not counting Cell) > Buu saga = Saiyan Saga > Cell Saga

>>149735458
How is the normal levels of animation known to most of super sped up to ludicrous speeds "infinitely" better?
That seems like a even cheaper tactic.
Doesn't look better. Looks Nauseating.
I want to see someone post that exact same scene but slowed down by at least 25%. so we can see the fucking errors in the animation.

>>149735637
Another few months of training with the supreme kai means dick.

Fucking GOHAN trained for a day and quickly surpassed him in power.


Trunks trained for well over a full decade of his life. Gohan barely trained and had to survive and take on horrors that are just outright WORSE then the androids from the moment he was 3.

>>149735609
>>149735615
You don't know that. Trunks' timeline progressed differently than the main timeline. No one knew the Androids would show up, and in that time Goku could have casually taught Gohan the Spirit Bomb for shits and giggles. Then, as a possible measure against 17 and 18, Gohan taught it to Trunks. Screencap this.

>>149735710
>If your top point to demonstrate that Zamasu wasn't being dominated was that he landed a single blow on Vegeto then it enough.

yes, and it actually hurt him. Meanwhile Vegettos Final Kamehameha did jack shit to Zamasu. And again, Vegetto "feinting" is completely out of character for him. Nobody as cocky as him would ever do a bait and switch tactic like that

>>149735678
Then why didn't the will of the people who didn't want their world destroyed by black and or zamasu spontaneously form a spirit bomb and stop them from destroying their world?

>>149735703
>minimal distortion from the character's form
Which is why DBZ's animation was rather shit compared to other anime.

>>149735801
>Goku could have casually taught Gohan the Spirit Bomb for shits and giggles.
You mean like how Goku could have casually taught the other Z fighters the Kaioken?
You know the technique that could have allowed them to win in a fight against the androi...no?
He couldn't?
Huh....

>>149735678
Well yeah. But to form a Spirit bomb One would have to actually articulate that will into a single point. The whole reason Goku has to stand still while gathering energy. If he didn't need to he could have helped fight Buu and not tricked Frieza into waiting for the Spirit bomb and instead done the spirit bomb mid fight.
Trunks was fighting all around a god damn city and not guiding that shit.

>>149735844
this is a joke right

>>149731794
Not unless they were strong enough to defeat him in a couple minutes before they unfused.

>>149735801
>Goku could have casually taught Gohan the Spirit Bomb for shits and giggles
Just like he casually taught everyone Kaioken, Spirit Bomb and Instant Trasmission during the peace times in the regular timeline, right?

Human warriors would be much less shafted if they learned Kaioken and perfected it over time to reduce body strain, making it their version of SSJ.

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tfw no one in the dbverse can beat the one punch
feels pretty good

>>149735812
He feinted during the fight with Super Buu, anon. The feint in Super was just so Vegetto could surprise Zamasu with the Spirit Sword since it's such a devastating move ans visually appealing. And Goku Black was spamming the shit out of it's use so for Vegetto to show that he could also use it--and that it was longer and more potent--was just another "fuck you" to Zamasu.

>it actually hurt him! The punch hurt him!
Doesn't mean Vegetto wasn't putting boot to ass and dominating the entire fight, anon.

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>>149735618
It's funny you mention that scene as it immediately cuts away to a very bright bloom to minimize animating a background and also to convey energy being blasted freely.
However during the fight the first environmental piece was Zamasu punching and creating a rip and explosion in the background. The rip was already pre drawn into the background and moving pieces of the scene were minimal and even mostly static.
We then cut to Zamasu plowing Vegitto through the city but thankfully all they had to do was animate a color streak and large smoke cloud as the foreground was static and pre drawn.
Afterwards Vegitto and Zamasu clash in the middle of the city with no damage or shockwaves being conveyed to the surrounding environment. Zamasu swipes with his corrupt hand and creates a smoke cloud which is cut away from so we don't see the damage to the building.
Vegitto then thrusts Zamasu into the ground but cleverly they had a pre drawn non crater and crater background to swap out under the guise of the wind cloud as opposed to animating the crater forming like the previous episode where Vegeta is assaulting Black.

>>149735889
Goku is a moron. News at 11.

>>149735889
Give me a break, Piccolo and the humans would have been like ants against 17 and 18 anyway.

>>149735918
Trunks probably could with his "suddenly develops a new power" power

>>149735908
Question is. Why doesn't Tien and Yamcha know Kaioken and Spirit Bomb? They trained with King kai.
Why doesn't Piccolo know it too?

>>149735978
>They trained with King kai.
Wasn't that anime original?

>>149735927
>He feinted during the fight with Super Buu, anon.
No he didn't.
That laying down shit was cheap and gay.
He could have shanked him in the chest with his ki sword and Blackmassu would have never seen it coming or been able to stop it even if they did.

As a matter of fact, why didn't he keep doing that?

Did they realize that Vegetto(really should have been gogetta, he's the most popular fusion for a reason)using a ki sword would tank future trunks popularity?

>>149735908
My main point was that DIFFERENT things could happen in a DIFFERENT timeline.

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>>149735918
Pic related could kill Saitama and he can't even destroy cities, but let's not turn this thread into something else.

>O tsurugi wa koitsu da! FINAL KAMEHAMEHA!

>>149735918
Joke characters aren't supposed to be beaten. By the conventions of his universe OPM and indeed all joke characters will never be beaten because it goes against the very core of their character. They win because they literally exist as a parody.

>>149735978
>Piccolo
Didn't care for King Kai's training techniques. He didn't have an issue with 10x gravity and didn't want to tell jokes. He meditated and trained by himself and was able to train himself to a really, really high power level.

>Tien, Yamcha
Remember when Goku first spoke with King Kai on the way to Planet Namek and how it took him a solid week to get there? Yamcha and co. landed on King Kai's planet and was there for virtually a fucking week before getting wished back .That wasn't long enough to learn jack shit.

>>149735978
>Why doesn't Tien and Yamcha know Kaioken and Spirit Bomb?

Spirit bomb they probably know, Kaioken is suich a high-level technique not even King Kai himself could actually pull off. It took Goku's genius to actually "complete" Kaioken and make it viable (for him).

>>149735927
>He feinted during the fight with Super Buu, anon

He actually had a reason to get absorbed, he had no reason to pretend to get hurt and go flying here. Nothing is established to say he didn't get hurt besides "Vegetto is OP" which it doesn't look like anymore

>Doesn't mean Vegetto wasn't putting boot to ass and dominating the entire fight, anon.

Broly was beating around the Z Fighters for 20 minutes and they actually got hurt unlike Zamasu, did he win? He tanked a Final Kamehameha and a Spirit Sword, it did nothing. If you want to go the headcanon route for Vegetto pretending to get hurt, I can easily say that Zamasu was absorbing blows on purpose to stall out the potara timer because he knew it would run out since neither of them are gods

>>149736081
>Spirit bomb they probably know,
Spirit Bomb is King Kai's ultimate technique. There's no way in hell any of them could have learned that in the course of a week.

>>149736118
>He actually had a reason to get absorbed, he had no reason to pretend to get hurt and go flying here.
Yeah. He feinted.

>Broly was beating around the Z Fighters for 20 minutes
Non-canon.

>>149736006
>Did they realize that Vegetto(really should have been gogetta, he's the most popular fusion for a reason)

I'm the guy he's arguing with but this is a flat out lie, the preview from 65 got a million views in less than 16 hours when it first happened. It has more views now than Vegeta beating around Black or Goku raging when he heard Black killed his family for example

>>149735710

Mystic wasn't a form. It was a buff. Gohan died during the Buu saga so it probably diffused.

There's plenty of explanations for it. Could have even used the ORIGINAL take of BoG where he went SSJ and footnote that it was due to it wearing off.

>>149736118
Broly isn't canon

I can't believe I'm saying this but
This arc needed more filler

omg anons tone down the autism take it easy now. Let's not become the one piece threads 2.0 were better than that.

>>149736190
>>He actually had a reason to get absorbed, he had no reason to pretend to get hurt and go flying here.
>Yeah. He feinted.

Uh...ok?

If you want to say Vegetto pretended to get hurt, I'll say Zamasu was getting punched around to run out the potara timer. Both are headcanon, unlike Zamasu not getting hurt from the Spirit Sword or Final Kamehameha

>>149736210
One single look at who has more fan art will tell you that you're fucking retarded.

Vegetto is trash compared to Gogeta.
It's time to wake up and smell the roses. Your cocky asshole fusion is less liked then a fusion that got not even 5 minutes of screen time during it's first apperance.

>>149736252
Yes I know but it was an example of someone beating a person or a group of people around just like Vegetto did. Nobody would say he won, and he actually hurt his opponent unlike Vegetto

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This probably isn't the place to ask this, but does anyone know the name of this doujin that has kid Goku and Bulma in a bath together?

>>149736280
Late to the super series what does it mean when (you) guys say "headcannon"

>>149736067
>hare hare doushita?
>temee nanka ashi dake de jubun daze!

>>149736288
What are you on about? I don't give a fuck about Vegetto but the hype was there for him as soon as Gowasu showed up to this timeline. Nobody was talking about Gogeta

All Trunks is proving is that half-breeds are top tier if they put their minds to actually getting shit done.
Even Vegeta said that Gohan would easily surpass him and Goku if he started training again.
Trunks brute forced his way to God-class without ever training under Whis and that is completely within Dragon Ball lore.

hype as fuck

>>149736077
>Yamcha and co. landed on King Kai's planet and was there for virtually a fucking week before getting wished back
According to Google, Yamcha was dead for 130, and Tien and Chiaotzu for 260. And supposedly they crossed Snake Way faster than Goku did

>>149736280
probably not hurt but hes falling apart physically mentally and emotionally.

>>149736349
making up what happened in your head

>>149736233
Aw, gay.

>>149736210
This. Vegeto is insanely popular. Everything from his attitude to his being retarded

>>149736280
>Uh...ok?
That was my entire argument. That Vegetto feinted to get Zamasu in a compromised position so he could deliver more damage. Vegetto was dominating the fucking fight.

> I'll say Zamasu was getting punched around to run out the potara timer
You'd be wrong. Zamasu was going after Vegetto because Vegetto was the immediate threat. And Zamasu's teacher estimated that throwing more power at Zamasu as he was would eventually overwhelm his body. In the five minutes of the battle Vegetto proceeded to body the fuck out of Zamasu.

>>149736381
Wait how was Yamcha dead for less days when he was the first casualty?

>>149736379
hi anon would you like to play with me? ~

>>149736355
That 65million views was for fanservice, not for the fusion character in particular.

If it was Gogeta that number would be in the hundreds of millions right now.

>>149736260
I agree. It needed more padding to make Trunks' leaps in strength more palatable. It had a lot of errors with the storytelling that more downtime might just have solved. I think one of the flaws with the arc is that all of the filler-time was used poorly.

>>149736372
Gohan was always going to be stronger then anyone else.
Trunks automagically getting it because he's a half saiyan is a half assed handwaive to cover up for the below shit tier writing for trunks.

Ten eps of them training would have been enough to make shit work.

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>>149736440
keep living the dream!

>>149736391
I meant "ok?" because you just repeated yourself, he didn't have a reason to pretend to get hurt. Like someone said before he could have thrown that attack out at any point and Zamasu wouldn't have had a chance to react, he had no clue he had that in his arsenal

And yes, he likely didn't stall on purpose because it was headcanon just like Vegetto taking a dive. For the fourth time, the final kamehameha did absolutely nothing to him. There was nothing there to show he got hurt by it, and right after he took that (and another punch from Vegetto) he sent Goku and Vegeta flying without any trouble. Vegetto was beating him around but it didn't do anything to him, him falling apart was happening before the Vegetto fight

>>149735821
Did you not watch it? That little girl (whatever her name was) got everyone to put all their faith and hope into Trunks. Specifically in the broken sword that Trunks just rebuilt with his own Ki.

>>149736502
doge post more pls

I actually like the whole 1 hour thing. It provides some much-needed clarity on why the fuck they split inside of Buu and it also means there is a bigger chance of seeing Vegetto again in the future. All good. It's the fact they split after 5 minutes that pisses me off.

>>149735892
Again, that's because Trunks wasn't actually gathering it. It was being projected onto him.

Any time Goku's done it, he's had to consciously draw the power to him, into a singular point. This Spirit Bomb was basically forced upon Trunks by all the people (and the plants, and the animals, whatever's left) 'believing' in him so hard.

The only person who knew what was going on was Goku, which is why he told Vegeta to give Trunks his energy.

>>149736520
If that was all you needed than Hercule should have been able to unconsciously pull off a spirit bomb during the fucking Cell games.

Trunks' asspulls are Sasuke tier.

>>149736520
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

Nigga, you are EMBARRASSING yourself.

>>149736626
The show's embarrassing. That anon is right. That is exactly what happened.

>>149736559
Again. Doesn't fucking matter because there was no one condensing that shit into the ball. It was just all heading to Trunks.
If it works the way you are thinking than Hercule should have pulled off a spirit bomb during the cell games and Goku shouldn't have had a spirit bomb to use on Kid Buu because Goku never asked for the energy. Hercule did.
Nothing but fucking fallacies

>>149736425
I misread it, he's actually dead for longer than 130 days. They all die on day 1, add to that however long it was for Gohan and Krillin to get to Namek, plus everything that happens in Namek before they get the dragon balls. Then with the first set of 3 wishes they bring back Piccolo, transport him to Namek, then take everyone in Namek to Earth. Then there's the cooldown period on wishes, which is apparently 130 days, so with the second set of 3, bring back Krillin, try to bring back Goku but he refuses, bring back Yamcha. Then they have to wait another 130 days, and use the third set to bring back Tien, Chiaotzu, and transport the Namekians to their new planet.

So Yamcha's dead for 130 + Namek travel time + the week or so they spend on Namek fucking around before the actual fight with Freeza starts.

For what it's worth, it supposedly took Goku 177 days to cross Snake Way, and the other four managed to cross it much faster than he did.

There is no way there were enough people on earth left to give trunks enough power to beat merged zamasu

>it immediately cuts away to a very bright bloom to minimize animating a background
Actually I'm pretty such that was done to depict thier clashing. The animation was very fluid and didn't need shortcuts like most of DBZ. Hell in your video it did the same thing
>0:14
and this was after using lots of repeat frames for Goku and Vegeta's fight, even a rock obscures our view of the two. So yeah lots of shortcuts.

>moving pieces of the scene were minimal and even mostly static.
Funny how you're complaining about being static when most of the punches in your video were shaky cam on still images instead of actual animation

>large smoke cloud as the foreground was static and pre drawn
Surely not as bad as
>3:02

>Vegitto and Zamasu clash in the middle of the city with no damage or shockwaves being conveyed to the surrounding environment.
You mean like >>149735418
>2:36

Nice nostalgia googgles bruh

>>149736664
Meant to reply >>149735944

>>149732925
>Bills

>>149736591
I mean yeah, probably. But he wouldn't have been able to actually land it because he's a joke character. And the joke character isn't actually going to get to DO anything.

>>149736626
Motherfucker, think it out logically.

A spirit bomb is formed when a bunch of living creatures consolidate all their energy into one place, and is then used by somebody to deliver it into a singular attack.

Goku usually does it because he knows how to REQUEST the energy, put it all together and put it to good use. He even gave it to Kriillin, the first time he did it, because he knows how the energy transfers around.

It is also possible (no matter how much of an asspull it is, and I'm not arguing with you there) that the energy can just be GIVEN, and if it's focused into one individual who can then USE that attack, then that's what happens.

There's a point where Goku realises this is what's happening, and he'd know better than anyone because he's the only motherfucker who's ever USED a Spirit Bomb, which is when he tells Vegeta to give Trunks whatever power he has left.

I ain't saying I like it, just that... that's blatantly what happened.

The energy was just given to Trunks, without Trunks even being aware he was forming a Spirit Bomb.

>>149735721
>>149735131
The awkward, fast motion is due to animator Naotoshi Shida's style. His work has this obvious oscillating movement. Shida's been around since the DBZ days, but I think his current approach to animation was formed since working on One Piece.

>>149736662
There weren't enough mortal beings, flora and fauna combined to make a spirit bomb strong enough to give radditz a black eye.

This shit just does not work.