Controversial PA Works also demands 3D operator by 160k yen a month.

More like PA Flops

What's the problem?

>$600 a month starting for making ugly CGI background cars move
Seems reasonable to me.

>>149543259
Pretty decent pay tbhonest.

>>149543259
>PA Works also demands 3D operator
by 160k yen a month.
Hell, even my office had brought me a brand new $ 5,500 PC and a comfy chair to work.

What do you mean decent ?
All you really get is goona be 100,000 yen.
Can you live by $1k/month w/o living in mama's basement ?

>>149543259
That'd be a decent pay in a third world country, not Japan.

>>149543632
I think they list the money you actually get in your hands in Japan.
Also 100k yen a month is still better than your random third world country's average monthly pay (I know multiple people who get like 250$ a month)
Sure living costs are cheaper a bit, but the food is basically the same prize as in Japan.

>>149543684
You really overestimate what pay third world countries get. Read >>149543685

>>149543685
>~850 euros a month for a 45 hour work week
way more than the average wage in my country.

>>149543632
$1k a month would be heavenly, i get by on $400/m in britbong bucks now.

>>149543716
What do you do? You can get more than that at a McJob in America even if you're converting to the pre-brexit pound.

>>149543684
>>149543685
Are you retard ? You have to live in Japan. It cost you $15k/month at least.
I don't give a shit how cheap live in third world is.

>>149543746
nothing, been unemployed since last year, £317/m Universal Credit plus maybe 30-40 I make selling shit on redbubble after UC reductions.

Was P.A. works got new building for their staffs and they rent the room for 15k yen/month?

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>>149543786
>It cost you $15k/month at least

>>149543786
>It cost you $15k/month at least.
Do you fucking live in Shibuya or Roppongi?

>>149543786
No, it doesn't. You might mean Tokyo, but even then you can find battered one room apartments for 100k yen, and the food is not more expensive than in my country. Obviously you won't be able to own a car from that salary, but that isn't necessary, almost every employer finances your commution to workplace and back home.

>>149543632
Good thing they don't live in Tokyo at least

>>149543685
See >>149543786
Wagecuck SEAmonkey here. He's right, yo.
You can't comparing Japan's living expenses to SEA's (or third world country in general).

I made about $350, but I only need about $75 for rent, electricity, water, food, etc for a month.

>>149543503
You have no idea what the exchange rate is, huh?

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>>149543259
You're the same ESL faggot who made the last PA Works thread on this very topic, aren't you?

Did PA Works kill your brother or something? Because seriously, no one else cares as much as you do. And Protip, calling a company "controversial" at the top of your thread isn't a good way to hide your bias.

Progressive Animation Works.

>>149543874
PA Works is in Toyama.

>>149543873
I meant to type $1600, but even that is probably around $100 too high

>>149543874
But P.A. Works HQ is not in Tokyo.
Are you pretending to be retarded or just full retard?

>>149543874
You're the retard, job is not in Tokyo.

>>149543866
Well I made $300 a month, but rent, bills and food perfectly takes up that much by the end of month, so I have to be very careful not to run out of money.
And that includes no luxury, aside from one cheap (~30 cent) energy drink every day.

>>149543938
>>149543937
>>149543916
Do you retards realize they've posted a minimal wage ad for a job that gets payed 5X that in any other industry?

It doesn't' matter if it's in Tokyo or not. With this salary you'd have to be crazy to take the offer - in other words an otaku.

This is legalized slavery. Taking advantage of the mentally challenged is a crime.

>>149543866
>$75 for rent, electricity, water, food, etc for a month.
Are you renting a bed?

>>149544002
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
>Ranges from 714 – 932 Japanese yen per hour; set on a prefectural and industry basis.
>932 multiplied by 9 hours a day, multiplied by 5 days a week = 41940
>160 000 == 41940
You're in no position to call anyone retarded, you fucking cretin.

>>149544068
The 160,000 is per month. You calculated per week. So assuming 4 weeks in a month gives you just slightly over 160,000. It is, in fact, minimum wage.

Get your math right next time you want to criticize someone.

>>149543909
Yes, it is progressive.

>>149544068
Why would minimum wage matter at all? Skilled workers don't earn minimum wage.

>>149544130
Because this is a skilled position that is asking workers to work for minimum wage.

>>149544130
According to the ad, they do.

>>149544068
>9 hours a day, multiplied by 5 days a week
It's 8 hours per day and monthly wage.

>>149544062
>Renting a bed
Sorry I'm not an EOP, but what do you mean by that? I only rent a bed for sleeping? that's all? If yes, then no. Because it has kitchen and bathroom.
Obviously i'm not renting an apartment or house, though.

>>149543259
So what? It's 160.000 after they subtract the FULL social cover that is written in details just under the salary.

>>149544267
I also think they don't have the expense to rent an appartment since PA has a dorm in Toyama.

>>149544203
It's only 8 hours if you don't include the 1 hour lunch break. In most developed countries a 9-5 job is considered 8 hours, even though you typically get a 0.5~1 hour lunch break. In Japan a 9-6 job is considered 8 hours because you work 8 and have a 1 hour break in the middle, which is pretty dumb in my opinion, since you still have to be "at work" for 9 hours.

1300 eurobucks is well enough. No reason to complain.

>>149544267
Even with the dorm it's still way below what they should be getting paid, I'm pretty sure similar roles in America pay at least 3x as much.

>160,000.00 JPY = 1,384.00 EUR

What, that's a pretty damn good wage for sitting all day.

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>They work from morning until 9 PM
The fuck is this.
Are they working until this late too IRL?

>>149544331
All the time it takes you to get to work and back home also isn't included in your work time.
And you're free to leave your workplace and eat outside in your lunch-break.

>>149544486
It's called overtime

>>149544426
Not every country is America. There's a reason why your country is called the "land of opportunities".
I worked 60 hours each week and still wasn't able to cover living expenses without help.

>>149543259
Wannabe KyoAni, never made a good show.

>>149544426
Minimum wage in that prefecture is 770/hour, meaning this would pay 123,200 pre-tax, not 160,000, if it was actually minimum wage.

If you consider that this post is literally for fresh grads without relevant experience who will be trained from the ground up, it's not actually that bad, especially if it includes access to that 10k/month PA Works dorm they built earlier this year.

It also mentions it will include raises, which in the Japanese job market means regular, set raises every X months regardless of how much your manager hates you or whatever.

>>149544215
>I only rent a bed for sleeping? that's all?
Yeah, i've meant that.

>>149544426
>in America
Kek. In America, those jobs are outsourced to 10x cheaper poo in loos.

>>149544522
Certified faggot, never made a good post.

>>149544522
Uchouten Kazoku is at least a 7/10

>>149544490
Yeah, but my point is that in North America and Europe at least, "an 8 hour work day" generally means you go in at one time, then clock out 8 hours later.

In Japan "an 8 hour work day" means you go in at one time, then clock out 9 hours later.

Basically Japanese work days are straight up an hour longer than an equivalent Western work day, not including overtime or anything, is what I'm getting at here.

>>149544535
>Yeah, i've meant that.
Nope.

>>149544604
That's how it works for Asia in general.

>>149544129
But I thought exploiting workers was the norm

>>149544623
Ok

>>149543259
Still better than unemployed or take 2 part-time jobs with less than 4 hours/sleep everyday.

>>149544486
>19h00
>9pm
Are americlap really that retarded?

>>149544604
That's not work where you clock in and out though.
I work in Europe and have a 40-hour week, which has to be actual work, which would translate to 8 hours of work per day.

>>149543259
I would gladly do it.

You can definitely survive off of 160,000 a month even in Tokyo. You can get a nice (if small), fairly central apartment for 60,000, 45,000 for food, 15,000 for utilities/internet.

Employers in Tokyo (most of Japan, I think, but definitely in Tokyo) reimburse your commuting expenses, so that's taken care of (everyone commutes by train and/or bus, or walking/biking if close enough).

Taxes and social insurance will eat most of the rest, so it'll be hard to save much or go out more than like once a month, but it's definitely liveable for a young person without a family, which is who they are targeting with this position.

And this is in Toyama, not Tokyo, so it's actually cheaper to live there anyway.

>>149544486
21:00 wtf is there even that many oclocks in a day?

>>149544644
>>149544708
I'm not saying there aren't any other places that do it that way, but I'm trying to say it's something for people to take into consideration when comparing this job to a, say, American equivalent.

>>149544813
No, there's only 12 hours a day, silly burger.

>>149544791
>45,000 for food
Sure, if you have an appetite of a hippo or a fine dining elitist.
If you want to cut cost but still eat nutritional food, 15,000 is more than enough for one person.

>>149544696
That was my first thought too, but the pic they attached says 21:00, so I gave them benefit of the doubt that's what they were referring to, even though it's not relevant to this job posting.

>>149544831
It's totally pointless to compare jobs in Japan and the US anyway.

>>149544486
but aobutt gets to work with cute girls so it's fine

>>149544891
That's not stopping people in this thread from doing it anyway.

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>>149544924
>but aobutt gets to work with cute girls so it's fine
If only my co-workers are Aoba and her cute christmas cake friends. Real life is full of suffering.

>>149544975
>midori will never get her snot on your sleeve
kill me

>>149545011
Because you're a boy. Midori available for girl only.

>>149544848
>eating shit

>>149545401
No, eating shit would be 5,000 Yen and under a month.
15,000 Yen is decent, 45,000 is elitist tier, and we're not talking about luxury lifestyle, but living expenses in general.

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This is not an incident in animation industry but the similar abuse of Japanese worker.
Female milk deliverer in Aomori prefecture got no salary for 2 years.

There are too many problems surrounding workers in recent Japan.
Those cannot be solved only by ourselves.
Please help us by raising voices from outside Japan.

This thread again. Unbelievable.

>>149544848
Hello burger.

>>149544486
Technically they're not working because they check out at 5

>>149544739

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of such masterpieces as Shirobako, Hanasaku Iroha and Uchouten Kazoku

>>149544791
>about 400€ for food
What the fuck, are you eating caviar every day?

>>149543632
I would love 1k a month. I make about 600-700 a month if I'm lucky. I live off of old shit cheap food and the kindness of others. I don't have a car, have to ride a bike everywhere, my apartment is so small the shower is in my bedroom and the living room is my kitchen. So yeah. That'd be great.

Fucking PA. I wanted them to prosper since they're one of the few source of original anime these days.

They get alot of benefits like free transport, food, apartment etc.

>>149545762
>stupid idiot worked for 2 years without salary
Any normal human would have quit after max. 5 month.
And that happens everywhere.

>>149546250
Yeah that's well past the "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" point. You'd have to either be an idiot or just doing it for fun anyway.

>>149544486
A lot of them work 12-16 hour days usually.

>>149543259
That's okay for Toyama.

Unlike Bones, they're in Toyko and yet still only giving 160k per month.
http://www.bones.co.jp/test_wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/99/2017bones_3DCG.pdf

>>149546351
Sure thing they do

>>149546378
Oh and if you have great skill, Sanzigen will pay you 600,000 per month.
http://www.sanzigen.co.jp/company/recruit_tokyo.html

And you know what, Sanzigen's Fukuoka office only have 2 employees right now, they need more employees as fast as they can, so it's your chance now!

>>149546378
>勤務時間 12：00～21：00(基本)
>12:00 pm-21:00 pm.

What the hell Bones.

>>149546136
Apple and yogurt for breakfast is ~300 yen, one coin lunch for ~500 yen, some sort of rice+vegetables+meat/fish cooked meal at home for dinner for 500 yen on average is 39,000 yen for 30 days.

You can definitely live well off less than that if you want, but it's real fucking easy to spend a bunch of money on food in Japan. The "housewives who pinch every penny and murder each other over supermarket time sales" is a big stereotype here for a reason.

Giant tariffs on imported food and not much arable land for a population this size making domestically grown shit pretty expensive doesn't help matters.

>>149546490
What's wrong with working 9 hours?

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>tfw this thread made me feel bad for pirating
fuck you /a/ I didn't come here to sympathize with nips

>>149546518
>Apple
>In Japan
That's pretty much caviar.

>>149544145
Checked their official site, 160k per month is for newbie, they likely pay you more if you proved your skill.

>>149546575
Death Note suddenly makes more sense

>>149546565
Where do you live?

In a lot of countries, you really don't have a choice other than piracy, and should not feel bad for doing it.

>>149546560
I don't think 12-21 is good idea, too late for dinner.

Kyoani wins again

>>149546627
I'd much rather work those hours.

>>149546560
Nothing per se. It's the office hours that are weird.
Why would you start your day at noon? Society is built around morning to afternoon jobs. What here necessities 12 to 21 working hours?

>>149546661
For CG workers(they do hire CG workers anyway) Kyoani just same as other studios.

That said, Kyoani seems also getting a few complaining recently.
https://careerconnection.jp/review/35179-reviewList.html
https://careerconnection.jp/review/35179-kutikomiList.html

Regarding that 6k yen desk fee, you can read the translated tweets here:
http://blog.bdh.moe/?p=111

>>149546623
y-you're right a-anon. I've done n-n-nothing wrong-g.

>>149546762
We already knew that, and it's if after 3 years that inbetweener still can't move up to key animator, many studios did the same.

Basically asking them for leave.

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>tfw the slave culture of Japan and especially the anime industry is responsible for all the awful pandering trends in today's anime
>tfw it's all downhill from here and the glory days of animu are forever past
>the future belongs to waifushit and shounen and isekai
welp

>>149546565
Think about it, most nips watch their anime on TV for basically free, or on legal streaming sites like niconico that are also most often free.
You should only feel bad for pirating BDs or CDs.

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>>149546853
>the future belongs to waifushit and shounen and isekai
>implying it's ever been different

>>149546860
this

toys and merchandise shit is basically how anime make money

>>149546860
Also OVAs.

>>149546762
>>149546781
Yeah, while it's a shitty situation that someone worked for three years just to get effectively canned, you can't really blame studios (and they all do it) for deciding someone just isn't good enough at being an animator to be worth keeping on staff.

That doesn't really forgive the shitty pay still, but that's a common problem in many industries in Japan and elsewhere.

>>149546734
From what I've read it's a male employee complaining that Kyoani favours women too much when it comes to moving up the company ladder. My rudimentary nip skills can't really make more out of it, though.

Also I can't really vouch for the paycheck since I can't really find what position that 22 y.o. male is holding.

Tari Tari 2 when

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>>149546879
shows at least used to have a budget

the likes of Akira will never be seen again

now it's all about just making things barely passable to save money while only making shows/characters with merchandise potential

>>149546860
>>149546882
Yeah don't feel too bad for pirating TV rips of whatever, but do try to spend some money on the series you end up liking in some way, be it merch/dvds/the source manga/etc. if you can.

>>149546955
When they find more slaves to replace the one they just fired

>>149546955
Never

>>149546998
>akira
>show

>>149546931
>That doesn't really forgive the shitty pay
Honestly, I don't see a big problem with the shitty pay.
It's a job for people that love doing it, or love the industry related with it, same as jobs related with animals or video games.
Of course it pays like shit when there are thousands of people that have it as their dream job.

Of course, you can get lucky and paid well in all sooner or later, but something that many young people can do and want to do will always be paid shit at the start.

Japanese work culture is so alien. Is there any kind of job a gaijin could feasibly do and not suffer a massive culture shock?
Not asking for myself, just curious if someone is more in the know.

>>149547012
>implying it's not a great example to contrast how widely different the capital available for anime be it show or film was compared to present day

>>149547075
Anon please. Akira was exceptional already at its own time.

>>149547061
Gaijins are actually exempt from the workplace hell because nips give doesn't really expect foreigners to be able to follow their culture.

>>149547061
english teacher

They pretty much expect you to be a stupid gaijin and will allow you to work your expected hours rather than conforming to what japanese society would approve.

That said, english teaching has zero upwards mobility and you'll never be respected by society. The lucky and smart ones teach themselves japanese in their spare time and then open up their own english kaiwa companies/look for university work and something more permanent.

If you do work in a japanese company then you'll be treated like a pet that's expected to bark on command, but you can improve your standing by staying late and learning to speak nip so that they can start to think of you as a person rather than a glorified meme.

>>149547061
That's how all those threads end.

>>149547161
>>149547199
Off-puttingly patronising but also suprisingly understanding. I expected no one would even hire you if you aren't able and willing to conform.

>>149546945
The 22 year old is a woman complaining about how they work 6 days a week from first train to last train for a base 150,000 a month (with some overtime pay and an unreliable bonus bringing them to around $30k a year).

The dude is in his late 20s and is complaining about how all the good work goes to the female staff and/or friends&family of the founder "because she's a woman". He says most male employees end up quitting before too long to go find a job somewhere that will let them do the better/flashier work that is more fulfilling and helps build their career, instead of getting stuck doing grunt work, which has put the male:female employee ratio at about 2:7.

>>149544604
It's 8 hours of work and 1 hour break = 9 hours total in Sweden.

>>149547286
Interesting. The review seem to date from 2015. Is that site really credible or can you just sign up an account and write troll reviews? I really prefer if it's authentic. Kyoani is a good studio, but in reality things can't be all rosy for them.

>>149547286
Doesn't seem to match with the interviews and employee info we have on Kyoani. Yamada and Ishidate I think have mentioned that they work until 7pm iirc. And their animator list has a roughly 60/40 on the male to female percent.

>>149547401
>>149547425
I have no clue how reputable the info on that site is, and I expect it's only vaguely representative of the reality at best.

>>149546860
I don't feel bad because they charge have a grand for a 1 cour show.

>>149546518
>The "housewives who pinch every penny and murder each other over supermarket time sales" is a big stereotype here for a reason.

I hate housewives, I really do.

https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/08/anime-craft-weekly-18-pa-worls-but-not-really/

>>149547740
>sjwbooru

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This is why you should unlock NEETbucks and never ever look back.
Feels fucking good.

>>149547199
>english teacher

Oh god.

Kill yourself.

>>149543259
1.5k a month.

How is that bad?

>>149543874
>>149543786
>>149543866
PA works is not in Tokyo you retarded fuck.

The inbetweener that posted her expenses the other day needed only 40k for that.

160k is fine

PA Works for free

>>149547962
Bravo.

>>149547799
This.

Good luck with that. 3DCG artists can get real job from games. No one does that job for 2D animator's pay.

>>149548059
>real job
>from games.
You sure about that?

Holy shit I just looked at that Bones ad again:

>休日・休暇：　日曜・年末年始・夏季休暇

They literally are advertising it as a 6 days a week job, where you only ever get off Sunday, New Years (12/31~1/3 probably) and a summer thing (probably a few days around Obon). No Saturdays off, no paid leave, no getting off national holidays. I'm not even sure that's legal.

Lol I'm kidding of course it's not legal for an employee, but they're hiring as a contractor so there are literally no laws.

I've seen a lot of Japanese job ads, but usually the worst it gets is "2 days off per week* plus national holidays".

*not saying which two days, so one week it could be monday and sunday, the next thursday and saturday

I mean, it often ends up that you can't take all your paid vacation, and you end up working a lot of Saturdays and holidays anyway, but usually they at least PRETEND you'll won't be ground inexorably into dust from the word go.

>>149548059
Considering the position is entry level for people with no experience, presumably they would get a pay raise after learning how to do the job, because otherwise yeah you could find a better paying job doing that work elsewhere, even in Japan.

>>149548077
Working for game company actually pays real money

>>149547799
Never understood the english teacher meme

>>149548170
weeaboos wet dream

>>149548185
Really? I thought it was weeaboos resigned last ditch attempt.

>>149548185
>tfw esl

>>149545445
Do you realize what the exchange rate is? 15,000 yen is approximately 150$. That's 5$ a day. It is extremely difficult to prepare 2-3 nutritional meals for one person on a 5$ daily budget, and Japan is not particularly cheap either. It means that you're basically subsisting on white rice and vegetables. Maybe discounted meat once or twice a month. Forget buying fancy stuff like sauces or condiments, and forget ever eating out since even one meal anywhere in Japan will likely cost you more than 500 yen, and even if it doesn't then you can't afford to eat anything else that month.

5,000 yen would mean 166 yen a day, or roughly 1.6$. Not "eating shit", but literally impossible to live on unless MAYBE if you buy huge bags of rice in bulk and eat nothing but that.

>>149548332
>you can't afford to eat anything else that month
I meant that day, but the point stands.

>>149548332
5,000 yen will get you a 10kg bag of rice in Tokyo I think, and google tells me that's ~36,500 calories, so you'd be living off ~1200 calories a day if you spent your whole 5k budget on rice.

>>149548653
In other words, you'd be slowly but surely dying Unless you're literally a NEET little girl.

>>149548332
See >>149547863

>>149548836
And? Do you think you can live on 1.6$ a day just because it's not in Tokyo? Or did you simply not read my post at all?

>>149548332
You're actually retarded.
I get paid peanuts in my shitty 3rd world and I eat like a king

>>149548836
I'm pretty sure
>>149548882
was responding specifically to claims that you can easily live off 15,000 yen/month for food, not that 160,000 is too low to live off of. 160k is liveable for a single person anywhere in Japan, though it might get tight at times and any big medical bills will fuck you.

>>149548936
Doesn't only eating peanuts get pretty samey after a while?

Reminds me of how I'm gonna get around 148k yen from Japanese Ministry of Education for attending an university there.

>>149543259
english pls.

>>149548936
>3rd world
Food in Japan is expensive, mate. 100 yen in Cambodia will buy a shit ton more food than 100 yen in Japan. Giant fuckoff tariffs and a domestic ag industry literally staffed by mostly 60+ year olds will do that.

>get a job they said
>it will be fun they said
>just like my chinese cartoons they said.

>literally burger flipping wages
>/a/ is defending this

lel this industry is so fucked

>>149549220
>t. Economy expert

If I was a young nip wanting to get into animation, I'd just focus on 3DCG so I can land a job at Pixar or something. Anything else just seems slave labor-tier.

>>149543259

This is such a /v/. Post off site news article, react to it without understandING anything

>>149549220
>burger flipping wages
Burger flippers would be happy to get that in my country.

>>149549260
It doesn't take an economy expert to know how bad the anime industry is doing right now, on top of stories like OP's where people are busting their ass their entire life to get into an industry only to get paid less than a McDonalds janitor.

>>149549287
Your country is shit and/or irrelevant. Japan is a 1st world country and economic world power. Big difference.

>>149549292
As long as the industry has no problems finding people to work for such wages it's no problem at all for it.

>>149549292
Not their entire lives. In-betweeners are expected to git gud after a couple of years.

>>149549220

Fortunately /a/ is irrelevant to the late night anime industry but it's fucked itself long term for sure and the overall quality keeps dropping every year. It'll survive on milking whales and low standards types with lottery ticket schemes for a bit longer at least. Of course theres few if any sustainability problems with the daytime and mainstream anime film industry right now

>>149549321
Well considering animation is starting to move to S. Korea, odds are they're having a hard time finding slave labor in Japan.

>>149549292
That can be argued literally about anything.

>>149546879
But 30 years ago the industry was still controlled by artsy yet somewhat normal people instead of autistic shutins.

>>149549353
No, it's just even cheaper there.

I'm not sure how much more evidence there needs to be that this industry is built around pure exploitation and corporate greed to an almost comedic extent.

>>149549353
Odds are higher that Koreans just work at a lower wage than minimum Japanese wage.

>>149549389
Exactly. They probably don't even make burger flipping wages, they probably do it for free hotpocket-style at this point.

>>149547425
I thought we anons knew better than to trust corporate press releases.

Any complaints from Shaft workers?

>>149549364
This is something that only really happens in the art field though. Almost any other field, if you bust your ass and work hard, you'll make it to some degree. It seems like in animation, in Japan especially, your hard work is hardly ever recpirocated. What a shit-tier industry to get into. I don't care if it's your passion, it seems like torture.

>inb4 butthurt autists that failed their 1st semester of community college insisting they tried

>>149549353
All shows do it. Even Gravity Falls did.

>>149549316
You think I've said that if my country wouldn't be economically comparable to Japan?

>>149546998

Your Name manages to do it the old fashioned way but yeah late night anime really shot itself in the foot bad with the utter lack of quality control and mass production approach

>>149547286
>complaining about how all the good work goes to...friends and family of the founder

Screencap this for the next Shaft vs. kyoanus thread.

>>149549468
the fact that you brought it up for comparison's sake.

>>149549220
160k is okay in Toyama, however if you living in Tokyo and still getting 160k, that's the problem, like Bones ad >>149548082

>>149549441
It can't be helped desu, art is struggle. Fight the powah desu.

>>149548082
shit like this makes me feel better about my 40 hour work week

>>149548936
How does it taste anon?

Is this still going on, I thought PA Works released a statement about this.

>>149549263
t. young nip

>>149549814
Not really, this CG job offer was from at least few months ago, OP maybe never checked their official site.

>>149543874
>no one pointing out the disgusting normalfag octothorpes

All the animators in Japan are doing that stuff voluntarily.

I think this thread is a great indicator for the % of teens in /a/ from this thread alone
>OMGGGG!!!1!! 600 BUCKS? I WOULD TOTALLY WORK 7 HS 6 DAYS A WEEK FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING RICH

>>149550652
You can't be this retarded.

>>149550652
More money that I'm getting now.

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wtf I love Kyoani now

>>149547425
>Yamada and Ishidate I think have mentioned that they work until 7pm
Trains in Japan stop running at around 7:30-8pm, so this guy is complaining about working until 7pm

>>149547821
>less than minimum wage for a 3D designer
I mean you can make 6 figures in America doing this shit

>>149549814
>I thought PA Works released a statement about this.
you mean PA Works fired the people who complained so they didnt need to make a statement

>>149551084
Remember that girl in Shirobako complaining about only making car parts even though she was in a famous company with good wages and working hours, and she ended up quitting?
Yeah, that's why people take these low paid jobs. They want to live their hobby, not get big bucks.

>>149551196
well the people in PA Works who are complaining seem to be complaining about making not enough money doing something they apparently don't like (was told to become a Key Animator after 3 years but never tried). I don't understand these people

>>149551084
>six figures for being a shitty designer
Count me in!

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How fucking come it's not been posted yet?

>>149550932
>the studio that that gives cushiest jobs to the founders' friends and relatives

More like NepotismAni.

>>149547286
Inb4 Aniplex-kun saying these people were both paid-off Antichristplex shills.

>>149546734
Like clockwork
https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/796055997819355136

>>149552486
Ultimatebetamax at it again. When it comes to KyoAni, the guy does nothing but speculate and treat those opinions as facts, when someone calls him out and asks for sources he blocks them.

I find it amazing that so many KyoAni fans here parrot his assumptions word for word.

>>149552394
Daily reminder that Aniplex-kun is actually an Aniplex shill trying to make any critic of Aniplex, Shaft, A-1, Sony Music, etc. look like a tinfoiler by association.

You dumbasses from twitter and your retarded e-drama should stay on twitter.

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He took the bait, so easy to trigger these sjws

>>149553469
damn you got rekt m8

>>149543259
Why would anyone ever wanna be an animator with such a wage and working times?

>>149553469
4chan BTFO

>>149553469
He fucking destroyed you hahaha

>>149553469
Wew lad, you got rekt.

>>149553469
lmao 4chan got destroyed

>>149553469
I really wish you'd stop bringing your conflict on /a/.

On the other hand, I do agree that it's kinda funny to see him write an autistic wall of text to obvious bait, just like he got triggered after the MANIME RULES-bait post.

>>149553469
Good. I hate anti and pro Kyoani trolls, so all is fine.

>>149547061
Probably major car companies like Toyota.

Also, quite a lot of foreigners compete their phD in Japan.

Look up the Riken Institute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIKEN

They recently got to name some new Chemical Elements in our Periodic Table.

>>149548332
>>149548653
>>149548778
Costco exists in Japan you know.

>>149549220
Fast food chains treat Japanese workers better than American workers though.

That is why Japanese fast food workers in Japan don't seem as depressed as American fast food workers.

>>149549263
>>149549861
You know quite a lot of former 2D Disney animators became out of work once Disney only started caring about 3DCG.

Some of them seem to make a living, only drawing furry porn, these days, according to /co/.

It isn't exactly rainbows and sunshines in America.

And America outsources a lot to South Korea as well.

>>149554507
fast food anime is the best anime desu

>>149549353
Actually, it's moving to the rest of South East Asia because they're cheaper than Koreans.

You'd know that if you really ever gave a shit about animation practices worldwide.
But let's be fucking honest. The world will continue to spin, those who are dumb like for example women still get exploited, and nobody has to give a shit about this shit anyway.

>>149554507
Japanese fast food workers just are happy they are not animators

>>149554507
>t. flipper of burgers

>>149554561
>Some of them seem to make a living, only drawing furry porn, these days, according to /co/.
Probably doing more than when they did corporate work.

Furries are to the west what otaku are to Japan.

>>149554566
I think working at Japanese 7-11 seems more fun and less stressful than working at Japanese McDonalds though.

You don't need to prep food at Japanese 7-11 since no one is constantly ordering burgers and fries.

However, one job I wouldn't mind working at at is probably a Japanese bookstore because you know all those people posting manga spoilers online?

They are probably bookstore employees sneaking a peek at manga chapters that are not due to be released at.

Would be kinda cool to get first dibs on manga before anybody else as a bookstore employee.

>>149554668
Speaking of Disney, seems they are not such a great company to work with these days.

In fact, seems like a lot of companies suck these days.

I think only places like Costco seem tolerable to work at these days.

>>149554629
If anything, robot burger flipping will come soon to Japan rather than America.

>Make models for other 2 or 3 studios
>Earn 4k a month

Not too bad

>>149551084
>America

Irrelevant.

>>149548882
Did you fucking read my post >>149547863


An inbetweener already posted her expenses, 40-50k including food, bus tickets and bills.

Fuck off retard.

>>149553469
Ugh, did this idiot just seriously say misandry doesn't exist in this universe? I'm all for praising KyoAni but I seriously hate this SJW bullshit.

>>149544331
I am in Canada and in the last 3 internships I held I was not paid for lunch time. That was standard for all employees as far as I know.

>>149547286
>(with some overtime pay and an unreliable bonus bringing them to around $30k a year).
isn't this like, pretty decent?

>>149555435
Nope

>>149555435
With a real job you can earn that much without overtime. I am a mediocre "software engineer" and I earn a bit more than $2600 a month.I don't live in Japan though

You retards should be advocating for higher wages in Japan unless you want Nguyen Pham and Kim Choi Bak making your anime.

>>149555650
>mediocre "software engineer"
That's still above a 3D modeler

>>149555731
Higher wages in Japan would only mean that more animation gets outsourced.

>>149555744
Well, yes. It's one of the best paid jobs. I was just stating that I'm mediocre and that's why I don't earn more than that.

It's way cheaper to live in Japan than the US.

>>149555731
Why should anyone here on /a/ do that?
In fact, I would wager that most who are ESL on this board actually are SEA-shitters who are more than glad that their country gets to draw anime for Japan and the rest of the world.

>>149546860
niconico pays for the streaming rights and then gets ad impressions when people visit their site. It's not the same thing at all. It's like saying that downloading HS is the same as watching episodes on CR's site.

>>149555305
He means that it doesn't exist in japan, which is correct.

>>149553469
I'm not even a Kyoani fan and I can see that you're the one getting rekt there.

>>149558717
He said in this universe.

>>149543907
It probably is the same autist and the one who had that trip in the last thread.

>>149559280
Read the whole thing and not just that line.

>>149559860
He never mentions Japan.

>>149551118
>PA works fired

They didn't.

>>149560034
>dude complaining about misandry within KyoAni and how he isn’t allowed to get promotions because the company favors women instead
>If you think you live in an universe where that is an actual thing,
that = misandry within anime industry

>>149555212
>America

Relevant.

Much like most industries, the anime industry survives on:

1. Slave wages
2. Workers doing overtime - sometimes for free
3. Declining standards (whilst colours and backgrounds have become nicer since digital animation became a thing, character designs became crap).
4. Higher risk aversion (these days most anime are adaptations from some other media, and most shows are not longer than 13eps).
5. Overpriced products

>>149543786
>It cost you $15k/month at least.
Japan has a high cost of living, especially in Tokyo, but it doesn't come anywhere near this close. Are you retarded?
That's like saying it costs $100k/month to live in NY just because some parts of NY are absurd. You can make it in NY with much much less than that, even if you live in Manhattan.

>>149553469
How will /a/ ever recover?

>>149560239
It could be interpreted both ways, he could be saying that misandry is not a thing in this universe.

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I live in a third world country, it's pretty comfy. But its weird because they pay you so little here, people who sell candy on the streets make more than your average, out of college student.
I shitpost, work part time, work out and when I'm short of money I go out and play my violin on the streets. I used to sell drugs and shit but I got in trouble with the police

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>>149560592

thinken of crashing their booru to be honest.

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>>149560687

>>149560592
Just do a CGrascal, it'll pay you even more and the police won't even care.

What is the CGrascal, you may ask? It's simple: get paid to google translate hentai manga from jap/chink/gook (whichever is readily available) into english. Make sure you do try and edit the english to something somewhat comprehensible before realising them though.

Well at first, you might have to work for free and beg for donations to get your name out there. But after a couple of months of consistent output, you'll be in the position to tell people you're willing to do commission based projects. Hell, people might even approach you before you say anything.

Lesser risk that selling drugs, lesser costs as well since you only need internet and electricity as opposed to paying for gas/ transportation.

>>149560918
>realising
releasing

Anyway, since you live in a 3rd world country, the commission will most likely be USD, so I'm sure even one measly chapter (1-2 hour tops, minimal re-draw and typesetting, most people don't care about that sort of shit) worth of stuff would be enough to get you 2-3 meals.

>>149560759
Are you that hacker known as 4 chan?

>>149560918
>>149560991
Sounds interdasting, are you doing that at the moment?

>>149547863
>>149555240
She didn't post her expenses, she posted her payslip. It wasn't 40k for all her expenses, it was 40k for income tax/dorm/company lunches/utilities/bus pass, and it left her with 15$ for breakfast/dinner/literally everything else.

She also didn't make that every month, she was making gross 100k a few months later; her July payslip had her getting 15$ after deductions, October had her getting ~$600 after deductions. She also got support from her parents during the low months.

160k is definitely liveable, but 40k is definitely not, even in the incredibly low rent PA Works dorms.

>>149551026
Trains go until roughly midnight duder, at least in the areas Kyoani has offices.

>>149555387
Was that 9-5 and paid for 7 hours work, or 9-6 and paid for 8 hours work?

>>149555435
It would be if they were working 40 hours a week, but they claimed they were working insane amounts of overtime, so no not really.

>>149560213
The woman who posted the payslips claimed she was fired.