Araragi doesn't really love Senjougahara, he just wants

Catfags keep getting more and more delusional every day.

BIG

>>149455372
That's what happens when Nisio baits them hard with their interactions and making the love wtih crab be shallow for a good chunk of books until it's fixed

But he wouldn't pretend to love Hanakawa who he owes significantly more. He is pretty honest. Even admitting being a siscon and NBR siscon.

>>149455341
He's actually in love with Bat. How can anyone doubt this?

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>>149455341
ln spoilers

in the end araragi decides to dump crab and abandon his harem for the one and only true best girl that was always worth it since the very beginning

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>>149455556
tru

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>>149455341
>Araragi doesn't really love Senjougahara, he just wants to help her be a normal girl again. Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa.

The other way around, dumbass.

He respects and owes a lot to Cat, he wants her to be happy, but there is no love. Araragi literally says that the only thing he feels for Hanekawa is lust. We've been over this already, you had three fucking arcs about Cat and you still don't fucking understand the plot. For your own good, I hope you are actually retarded.

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> crab
> cat
He loves Bat. She is everything for him.

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>>149455897

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He loves them all
So far he's kissed Crab, Bat, Doll, Snail and Imoutos.

When will he kiss Kanbaru?

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>>149455817
why is this anon so mad

He loves the girl who gave him the best beating. So Kagenui will win afterall.

>>149455341
I wanted nadeko to win.

>>149455341
it's just a cartoon dawg I mean damn

Cat > Vamp > Snail > Crab > Snake > Monkey > Phoenix > Bee > Doll > Spooky > Kagenui > Mamaragi > Math > Numachi > Gaen

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>>149455341
Except he'll ACTUALLY get into a FWB situation with Monkey, eventually settling down with her

he likes the two least likable

>>149455341
It's already been covered multiple time that Hanekawa is a kind of person that he just earnestly love romantically. Either stop sleeping through the show or stop watching it.

>>149455341
Read Kizu.

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>>149455341
> he truly is in love with
Kissshot.

>>149456753
Which are?

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>>149456191
I can get behind this.

>>149459119
20 years later and not single doujinshi of her.

The world is cruel and should be finished.

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>>149459144
Too true, and it hurts.

>>149459144
I remember there was one.

It's just extremely elusive/

>>149455341
He is a faggot,Crab and Cat was have to ended together

>>149456246
Then you didn't understand Nadeko's character arc.

>>149455341
He doesn't know what "love" is, he's a horny teenager. Same as Gahara. They enjoy each other's company and then fucked because why not.

>>149456466
Koyomi & Kanbaru are extremely well-suited for each other
which means that they had no chance of getting together from the beginning, that's just how this shit works in anime

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>>149456191
Yes, it was indeed Yozuru who fucked up Araragi the most.
Not the person who straight killed him.

Everyone knows he's going for the Gaen end if it's based on how fucked you got.

>tfw Araragi has been picked on by everyone in the Gaen bloodline.

>>149455341
>araragi doesn't love redditgahara
>more news at 9

>>149456677
>what's the meaning of this
What did Agagagi mean by this?

>>149464230
Gaen talks too much for anyone to bother getting an end with her.

>>149464493
>redditgahara
where did this meme start?

>>149464658
When crabfags got mad enough at it I guess

>>149459097

shinobu and gahara

>>149455341
He wants Kaiki who is best grill.

He's obviously confused about what he wants and his feelings towards those girls. I guess the novel series was designed as a sense of finding one self and the journey of self discovery of anythjng really. But it is hard to say who he has a thing for.

>>149464607
>Talks too much
>In a NisiO work

You can pick one or the other.

>>149455341
He doesnt love cat either, he just want those titties

It's hard to cares about crab after Kizu
>Crab is irrelevant in final volumes

>>149466959
Crab is irrelevant in every arc after her first one. That's just how the series is written.
Shit, even in Hitagi End, she's still only the third most important character after Kaiki and Nadeko.

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>>149455341
Kiss-Shot is endgame. Araragi is still part Vampire and has some of his Vampire Powers with him including an extended Lifespan. Sooner or later Senjougahara and Hanekawa will get old and die, while he is still young and living. The only one that can truly understand him and give him the companionship he needs is Kiss-Shot.

>>149466853
He loves and idolizes whatever girl he is currently talking to or talking about, but he still tries to respect and maintain each of their roles in his life like girlfriend, sister, kouhai, best friend, childhood friend, personal loli.

>>149467535

he seems disinterested in nadeko's advances

>>149467589
But he cares a lot about Nadeko. Nadeko advances are also kind of indirect as she was more interested in her fantasy, and Araragi clearly isn't good at all at reading girls since he was a kid.

>>149464879
seems like you're just a contrarian nigger with shit taste

>>149464607
>VA: Satsuki Yukino
She can talk as much as she wants, her voice makes my dick diamonds.

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>>149455341
>Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa
Anon, are you an idiot?

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>>149467733
>Nadeko advances are also kind of indirect
>dresses like a slut, tries to bait him into King's Game and ends up straddling his lap

>>149466959
It's hard to care about Crab after Mayoi Snail. After that arc was resolved Hachikuji basically took on the "fun banter partner" role Gahara had up to that point and frankly did it a lot better. From that point onwards every conversation anyone has with Gahara is some sort of variation of this one aspect of her character that Nisio beats you over the head with for some reason, that Gahara is amazing for living her life the way she does.

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>>149455341
If Araragi wasn't a fag he'd be in love with all of the girls. Besides Snake

>>149468438
>>149468642
Snake is a good girl. You need to all settle down.

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>>149468438
Araragi is literally retarded when it comes to girls. She needs to go to him and confess everything in a very clear way to get a chance, and to be the first like Crab.

Hanekawa, Nadeko and Sodachi all made the mistake of being too indirect. And Kanbaru was direct but not honest and too late anyway.

>>149468438
the only thing araragi feels for nadeko is pity.

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>>149468642
He does love them, he's just not giving them the Mararagi except Crab and Shinobu if you think about it
He love-loves Crab, he idolizes Cat, he loves his sisters, Bat is his soulmate, and Snail is his best and most trusted friend.

>>149468844
I was pretty sure Kanbaru just sees him as an invaluable bro that she can make flirty/lewd jokes and shit with for fun, some of the stuff she says in the commentary tracks indicates as such too.

Then you get >>149456677 which wasn't particularly flirty in the usual way at all, so now I dunno.

>>149468438
>the scene when she gets on his lap
wew

>>149468719
>Snake is a good gir
No, she really isn't.

>>149468844

His entire class thought he was dating Hanekawa because they spent literally every evening hanging. Even Hitagi did, and thought she was NTR'ing Hanekawa by asking him out. She admits that in Neko Shiro's epilogue.

See Tsubasa Cat's commentary, he is beyond retarded, it's close to a mental illness now, and Koi pretty much proved he has lots to learn about building a relationship in general, much less in love.

>>149469664
Honestly, after seeing his sisters I'm pretty sure the Araragis as a whole are just hereditarily "hot but brain damaged" or something.

>>149455341
When I grew up, I want to be able to be this delusional.

>>149469149
I'm not even a snekfag and I demand you fuck off. She's 13 and pretty fucking rad when put in that context. Her snapping at school was golden.

>>149468991
Surprisingly accurate.

>>149469664
>and Koi pretty much proved he has lots to learn about building a relationship in general, much less in love.
He didn't do much particularly wrong in Koi to be honest. He was very literally the one person who would not able to to save Nadeko due to the nature of his role in her problems (he can be given blame for making matters worse here, and even there it was unintentional through Araragi pretty much treating Nadeko like he does everyone else anyway), and trying to keep Gahara away from this oddity stuff (which she herself has stated she wants no part of) was reasonable enough, Gahara herself can't cry about it without being a hypocrite because it was because of this way Araragi behaves that she met & got together with him in the first place.

Araragi himself talks about this sorta thing in the intro for Hitagi Rendevouz, that he loves Gahara but acknowledging and acting on that pretty much requires killing off a part of his 'self' to make it work.

It's a harem there is no real point or love involved.

What you see as "depth" and "love" is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel inbetween page long descriptions of breasts and pussy

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>>149470131
I would hope so, since I'm basically just restating what's been discussed/monologued in the show.
The second half of Nise 1 was basically "Araragi and Snail are bros for life"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqBM-Y4r9Q

>>149470212
>is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel
It's just pretty straight-forward and blunt characterization people are talking about. No need to get up in arms about it.

>>149470253
I think most of what you said has been implied along the series, but a good part of the fanbase seems to be incapable of accepting it.

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>>149455372

Catfag here. Not all of us are this delusional.

>>149470309
Nah. It's really fuck obvious shit and is obnoxious in how it

>HEY HANEKAWA DO U LIKE SALT WITH UR EGGS
>no
>DO U LIKE KETCHUP
>no
>DO U LIKE SOY SAUCE
>no
>WOW HOW AMAZING AND INTERESTING TOO U DON'T LIKE SPICE OF ANY KIND BUT U DON'T DISLIKE SPICE OF ANY KIND ITS LIKE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING(DO U GET IT VIEWERS)

And then some faggot writes four pages pontificating on Hanekawa while posting her fat fucking ass and big old titties. Bakemonogatari is porn for pretentious people.

>>149470458
Clearly 2deep4u. This show is an SoL nuanced with societal and mental health themes. Sexualization is healthy, /a/non. Why do tits make a show less genuine for you?

>>149470458
Who are you talking about in this thread where people are talking like that?

and outside of Nise, nah it's not particularly pretentious. It's a pretty straightforward character-driven story, with words everywhere because it's an LN adaptation and stupid overstylized art because it's Shaft. You'd have to be dumber than the average neckbeard Bake-worshipper to view the entire series as "pseudo intellectual drivel"
or just fishing for (you)s I guess, and if that's the case then good job, you did it

>>149470458
>Bakemonogatari is porn for pretentious people.
I've noticed that a lot of these recycled comments about how bad it is that people like what I don't like or whatever the fuck always come from people who have watched Bakemono & Nisemono at most and then drop off, while still criticizing the rest of the series. Even though it gets significantly less harem-y as the series progresses from after that point.

>>149470763
Why would people who don't like a series watch three seasons of it?

>>149470801
Why would people who don't like a series criticize the entirety of the series beyond what they haven't watched? People in the thread are talking about the series as a whole aren't they?

>>149470763

nisemonogatari is disgusting.

>>149470801
Why would people who don't like a series watch more than a few episodes of it?

>>149470848
I don't disagree with you, it's the only time in the series where the "it's just pretentious porn!" comments actually hold water. Animation quality aside it was pretty trashy.

>>149470763
>less harem-y
yeah this.

I believe the turning point for me in really liking monogatari more than most shows is how it has actually done a "harem fallout" in the middle of the story, and the consequences.

generally this doesnt happen until the last part of a series in harems, where the other girls then fall for other guys or just remain single and attached.

but monogatari had the balls to not only have the MC break some of the girls hearts by declining their confession, there's girls who end up dying, hating him or found someone else.

>>149470848
why?

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>>149470458
>Bakemonogatari is porn
I wish, it's a crime how some of the girls don't get the sexualization that we deserve.

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>>149470848
It's pretty good if you stop watching at Tsukihi's arc

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>>149471006
Living the dream

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post the cute kiss scenes

>>149455341

Fell out of love with Hanekawa because she had no self respect and didn't want to save herself.

Senjougahara saved herself and bargained for her own life when she was cursed, rather than indulgently lose herself to her own curse and dilemma. That impressed him and now they fuck like cats in heat Hanekawa isn't any more.

>>149470763
>>149470650
It's funny people here say this because Nise' is my favorite.

>best girl 'Bu has her first lines and a fucking awesome intro (to Nise' at least, her actual intro in Bake' was fantastic as well)
>finally meet and interact with the two imouto
>snek innuendo happens
>great MayoixKoyomi banter
>great 'GaharaxKoyomi banter
>Kaiki has some fantastic screentime. Not as good as Hitagi End but second best for me.
>TEEN-FUCKING-SHINOBU'S ONLY SCREENTIME

I think maybe in first watch Nise' is mediocre compared to several others but on rewatch Nise' stands out as so important to me I rank it #1.

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They didn't show ragi giving karen medicine through the kiss right?

>>149470212
>What you see as "depth" and "love" is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel inbetween page long descriptions of breasts and pussy
You're probably just pretty dense to be honest. That's not me praising the writing as particularly intelligent either because it isn't. The story has pretty clearly defined themes (and yeah, "love" is among those themes) and character progression, you don't even have to like the series to see that much. Nah that doesn't make it the deepest shit ever, but comments like yours are just as delusional as the reddit idiots you seem to be referring to though (why not take these comments over there instead of to a relatively normal thread by /a/ standards?)

>>149471114
No need. The lewdest scene on television history happens between KoyomixKaren. Notice right before the toothbrush scene she offers him her virginity. I had to get out of my seat during the toothbrush scene to yell "It would have been less lewd if you had just bent her over and fucked her!"

>>149471108
It's got to do I think with the first ep being almost blatant sexual innuendos with mayoi.

At least, I remember an anime blog that talked about that, and some comments feeling weirded out, years ago when nise first aired. It didnt help that it wasn't clear that nise was a sequel to bake for new viewers.

>>149471108
It has some nice individual scenes surrounded by a lot of bullshit and some of Nisio's most heavy-handed writing in the entire series ("fakes can be better than the real thing", yeah we fucking get it, no it's not that insightful an observation)

>>149471282
oh yeah and this scene that became infamous and was spread a whole lot >>149471268

>>149455341
Araragi can't really love anybody anon.

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>>149468438
This. I liked her character much more after it was revealed what her true nature is like. She knows she is cute and tries to seduce Araragi several times. Being manipulative and obsessive is more interesting than being a moe blob.

>>149471282
>normalfags were insulted
Sir,
If you were setting out to convince me of Nise's inferiority, you've achieved the opposite.

>>149471290
That line didn't really strike me as intending to be ultra witty. Yozuru made a moral argument and he replied back with an immoral unrelated statement that only he (and I) would view as a retort. You did however remind me that the anti-climactic climax of Karen Bee is one of the best speeches and scenes in general. It was already fantastic before Koyomi fell over and Shinobu caught him, but that really made it top-tier.

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>>149470848
>>149470763
Bullfucking shit.

"It-it's not a harem, honest! I-it's just Nise's fault!"

Here's Owarimonogatari, the latest season. Here's a scene where the big bad villain is "beaten" by Hanekawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWfTRiCacpw

"Hurr durr u can fondle my breasts"

It's two girls arguing over Araragi. The camera focuses on their lips, breasts, and thighs. The argument is won by boobs.

It's haremtrash. And the inevitable "T-that's not what that scene meant, plebian!" posts I'm gonna get only prove the point - it's porn for pretentious people. Harem garbage with a facade of depth to it

>>149471897
That's why you went after those passive responses and not
>>149470628
this argument. If you can't watch shows with societal messages unless the girls are wearing dresses down to their ankles and bonnets, that's your loss. But your argument is weak. Ever tried KissxSis? I watched a few episodes but couldn't handle it. Why? I couldn't watch it without my cock out. Why bother when I can just go read a doujin? Mono isn't like that at all. The sexualizations are classy and comical. I read mono doujins sometimes, but while watching the show I'm focused on the plot. Again, sexualization is healthy for men and women. I know two girls, one bi but the other very hetero, who watch Mono. We don't even talk about the sexual themes unless I bring it up to see their reaction.

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>>149456422
>snake above the gropeable SKEEHEE imouto

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>>149471897
Pretending to be retarded isn't the same thing as trolling/baiting, anon. You don't need to make yourself look dumber than the MC of this show to get replies.

>>149472770
supernatural>human
bat>phoenix>snek>doll>snail>white cat>bee>math>crab>black and white cat>spooky>monkey>>>>>izuko>yozuru>mamaragi

>>149471897
That scene is obviously supposed to be funny

Do you have autism?

>>149455341

Considering he's going to University with Crab, has said on multiple occasions that he loves her, and the fact that both he and Cat have completely moved on from each other, I'd say you're probably full of shit, OP.

>>149456422
>Snail that low
I will fite u

>>149471114
I hate those monochrome cuts because I'm compelled to pause and read all of them.

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>>149456422

> Cat at the top of the list
> Snake above literally anyone

>>149455341
>Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa.

You mean Kanbaru.

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>>149473716
Kanbaru is a tax haven.

>>149473626
I've rewatched so many times. First time I let them go by me like subliminal messages. On the second I took the time to pause every one. Now I occasionally pause if I forget the gist but I'm on rewatch 12 or so. They tell you Shinobu's full name in the first 30 seconds of Bake.

On a side note: did anyone notice Nadeko is writing manga in her Bake OP?

>>149470212
>just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel inbetween page long descriptions of breasts and pussy
It's funny because, the page-long descriptions of Hanekawa's pantsu in Kizu aside, he almost never goes into particularly erotic detail when describing the characters.

>>149471897
Your ironic filename is incorrect by the way.

>>149473891

Wasn't she just writing notes?

>>149471897
>Harem garbage with a facade of depth to it
There's nothing else anime has to offer except cute girls though. Pretty much everything /a/ heralds as masterpieces are just sterile philosophy-for-kidz tier trash and glorified advertisements for whatever material they're adapted from. Stick to anime for harems and things satisfying base desires (if Monogatari isn't for you then maybe some fujoshit would be more to your liking, I dunno what you're into), for anything else every other entertainment medium is better.

>>149473891
She wants to be a manga artist

>>149470458

If she was literally a person who didn't care about anything, you would have a point, but the point of Neko Shiro was showing this was untrue and a facade. She has honest clear likes and dislikes, like the fact she likes Kimblee in FMA like Hitagi likes Greed. It's ironic how they both like antagonists.

It also disproved that she never asked people for help or confided in anyone before Araragi.

The "Hanekawa is a sociopath" thing was shattered with that arc.

>>149474578
>>>/trash/
How much money do you want to bet I've read more philosophical treatises, both historical and contemporary, than you can name? Just because something isn't 700 pages and written by a professor of Ethics doesn't make it good for nothing but boners, kid.

>>149474791
I'm trying to make some sense of your post but you type like a fucking retard.

>>149474791
>b-but I've read lots, you see!
Why even mention that? I didn't ask

>Just because something isn't 700 pages and written by a professor of Ethics doesn't make it good for nothing but boners, kid.
Why would I watch an anime over reading a book or watching a film if I wanted an actually intelligent narrative? Everyone with talent flocks to those mediums, anime is just aimed primarily at schoolkids and older shut-ins. The only thing anime has over other mediums is more cute girls doing cute things, why are the people who like the latter the bad ones? It's you guys who are pretentious as hell, going into relatively cordial threads and bitching about people liking what you don't like and everything on top of that.

>>149474791
>How much money do you want to bet I've read more philosophical treatises, both historical and contemporary, than you can name?
lol

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>>149474933
>Why would I watch an anime over reading a book or watching a film if I wanted an actually intelligent narrative?

Fine, then go read the monogatari novels.

>>149455341
>Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa
She's not even related to him though.

>>149471057
>Senjougahara saved herself and bargained for her own life when she was cursed

You are being a tad biased here. She hurt Kanbaru pretty badly before she was cured and attacked people with stationery to "drive them away". She did pretty heinous things.

She accepted help that was freely given to her, which isn't anything more than the other girls did. Plus she had a loving if awkward father that put himself into poverty for her. That is literally more than Hanekawa has ever had, when her own birth mother hanged herself over her bed. Of the two, it was Hanekawa that actually risked her life alone to stop her oddity.

Comparing the two girls, Hitagi had something to go back to, while Hanekawa pretty much has nothing. I hope I wasn't the only one a little bummed she was spending New Year's alone in Koi while Hitagi and Koyomi partied it up with family and probably shagged each others brains out. Kinda depressing in hindsight.

>having waifu war about a harem
Well that's normal
>claiming the official pairing is not real
Now you have sunken further past the point of pathetic.

>>149475617

But the official pairing is shit

>>149475477
Hanekawa had a shit time sure, but she spent that time cycling through being passive aggressive, ignoring the issue, and wallowing in self pity. Senjougahara at least fucking tried to help herself for years before the series started, and her efforts paid off. Hanekawa only started trying to help herself about a day before she got dumped.

>>149475477

Not that other anon, but it is true that Hitagi had gone through a bunch of supposed exorcists to solve her problem, but it got to a point where she just had to consider them all to be fakes, and instead had to endure her oddity because she literally thought there was no one who could fix it.

I'm not saying the other anon isn't being biased or anything, a big part of Hanekawa's oddity was that she couldn't control or remember what she did while cursed, but I get the basis for the argument being that Hanekawa's possession could have been avoided much easier than Hitagi's simply by Hanekawa sharing her worries with literally anyone. It's true that she had a bad home life, but so do thousands of other teenagers in positions like her, and she seems to be smart enough to at least try something like therapy or even just opening up to Araragi emotionally instead of just bottling everything up.

Hitagi gave up because, to her, she'd exhausted her patience with 'excorsists', whereas Hanekawa had a clear chance to fix her emotional problems before and after the cat stuff happens, but she just kept it all bottled in.

>>149475731
The whole point of Hanekawa is that she normalized the abuse and convinced herself she didn't have it that bad. She didn't start trying to help herself because she hadn't confronted the fact that she had a problem.

I'm not saying that wasn't an issue, but it's not really something to shit on her for.

True.

But, he's not ready for a relationship with Hanekawa yet. Maybe he will in some decades.

One of the perks of living inmuhanly long lives, they can always find each other later on.

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I want to marry Doll and then spend our entire honeymoon having consensual sex with her, before coming back, getting a good job and spending my life supporting her and making her happy.

>>149475731
>Senjougahara at least fucking tried to help herself for years before the series started
What did she do before? I don't remember much of her arc.

>>149456422
I say Cat == Bat. The rest is accurate.

>>149475617
To be fair, Araragi only acts like he loves Senjougahara when the story requires him to and he spends most of the series flirting with other girls.

I always thought Araragi dates Crab because of pity

>>149475880

> One of the perks of living inmuhanly long lives

Pretty sure Hanekawa has a normal lifespan.

>>149475896
>making her happy.

Jokes on you, faggot. Dolls can't be happy or else the Darkness will come devour them.

The best you can do is let her exist in your general vicinity and hope that you don't make her happy.

>>149475939
She went around finding exorcists for help. About five in total, including Kaiki.

>>149475961

He's not, there are several times in the show and novels where he internally states that he genuinely loves her.

>>149475939
She went to a bunch of specialists to get the problem fixed but they all turned out to be con artists. She also took extra measures to defend herself, like carrying around all the stationery in case someone tried to take advantage of her weight problem.

Her turning away Kanbaru was still fucking stupid and I think she's horrible for never apologizing for it, but she was also pretty traumatized at the time.

>>149468844
Araragi strong inferiority complex is what keeps him from being with Hanekawa for the time being.

>>149475976
You're responding to a guy who has convinced himself that Hanekawa is gonna live for 900-ish years because "cats have 9 lives" despite there being absofuckinglutely no indication of that in the series. He's a lost cause.

>>149467535
Do you think what makes the series interesting is the fact how he tries to keep it civil and innocent and they kind of bring up some kind of funny quirk and they kind of play along with it? Especially with the dialogue going on? The fact he makes a big deal over small trivial things and they keep going over it like poking at a cut? I have an innate feeling as to why I like it cuz of the dialogue but putting it into words is something I can't do atm.

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>>149476057

> for the time being

>>149471057
Their time will come, eventually.

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GUYS
GUYS

https://exhentai.org/g/993892/0c05a288de/

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>>149476057
Hanekawa's strong inferiority complex is what keeps her from being with Araragi for the time being.

>>149476111
>You're responding to a guy who has convinced himself that Hanekawa is gonna live for 900-ish years because "cats have 9 lives"

None of these anon but that would be the funniest shit. Hanekawa lives for an extended period of time, Senjou dies and she waits for Araragi to reciprocate her feelings only for Araragi to continue to hang out with Shinobu.

That level of irony would be delicious

>>149476259

Haven't they gotten to a point in the books where Hanekawa has basically completely moved on from Araragi and has started to pretty much just go and do her own thing?

I don't get why any Catfag wants her to wait 100 years or whatever for Araragi. He's not worth that. Let her move on.

>>149473412
Unreliable narrator

>>149470994
That last panel was funny. Cuz they only made a small handful and amount out of all that lol

>>149476316

ok anon, if that makes you happy.

>>149475976
A few centuries is more accurate.

>>149476299
She still loves Araragi. If Araragi were free, she would give up her sick wizard powers in a heartbeat for that.
Jokes on her though, Gaen's wizard powers were clairvoyance and that is a fucking sweet power to have.

>>149473412
This might be armchair psychology, but some of his speeches about how much he loves crab make me feel like he's trying to convince himself.

>>149476232
what did they mean by this?

>>149475997
That's sad. Also sounds kinda stupid. Snails explaination was reasonable, but it feels kinda forced with her.

>>149476259
Is not about waiting. They have their own lifes and mental handicaps that still come between a relationship for them(specially of Araragi side). His inferiority complex is canon btw. Having super long lifes just gives the time they need at their own pace,

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>>149476499
Hold on, I'm gonna need to do some research.

>>149476458

Actually, I found it pretty accurate to how loving someone actually feels, at least when you've been with them for a while.

The whole "If you asked me why I love Senjougahara, I'd just have to say that I do" thing he does in Hitagi Rendezvous feels pretty accurate in terms of how Araragi thinks about things, and that date, along with the one in Bake, felt extremely genuine.

As it is, I think we've seen enough 'genuine' emotional moments and thoughts from Araragi for me to think that he isn't lying or trying to convince himself, he just believes that to be a fact of his life now that he loves her.

>>149476550
Oddities only exist to be feared and to fill out their roles as oddities.
You go against that and you get banhammered by the universal mod.
Doll needs to be a doll or else if she starts doing un-doll like things she's get shitcanned.
Gaen mentions in Owari that "the enemy" was trying to get Yotsugi to start doing shit of her own free will like come protect Araragi Koyomi out of a sense of friendship and get shitcanned for it.
If you like Doll then any relationship you have to have with her will need to be fairly tame and stall to ensure Brotha Darkness doesn't come fuck shit up for you.

>>149475731

Hitagi's father was the one that sacrificed for that help if we are honest. And she still blames herself for her mother going nuts, despite support from her father and boyfriend.

Also, the point was there was nothing Hanekawa could do about her situation, her stepparents were never going to change, they hated each other, and all leaving earlier or reporting them would have done would have made her alone sooner. Child protective services seems to work like shit in their world.

The friends Tsubasa confided in abandoned her when she brought them over to her house, it wasn't that she never told anyone. She coped (yes the wrong way) by turning her eyes away from the problem, but this was going on for over a over a decade with her current parents only staying together to avoid taboo for abandoning an orphan, as opposed to the couple years the Senjougaharas self destructed due to her mother going nuts from Hitagi being ill from a disease.

The two situations are night and day.

>>149476705
Mh I guess it kinda makes sense.
I more thought along the lines, that she's more or less an artificial being, so she doesn't really have a reason to exist unlike snail. So why should Darkness eat her then.
But then again, she's still an oddity, so she's still bound by people's minds and thoughts. Like that she's supposed to be emotionless.
But thinking that through. Would it be possible to shift it a bit if the general opinion of the world would be, that dolls can have emotions? No need to answer if it's answered directly. Haven't watched Owari, Koyomi and Kizu yet.

>>149476232
He put the popsicle in her butt the absolute madman.

>>149476957
>Would it be possible to shift it a bit if the general opinion of the world would be, that dolls can have emotions?

Yes but then you've got to have the vast majority of people believe that Dolls have emotions but that's not going to happen.
Tooe pretty much points out that even though she's a "fake oddity" that Yotsugi is still real and even though Izuko tries to go against her nature as a Gaen, by creating Yotsugi, she's still fulfilling her role as a Gaen.

>>149476867

> Hitagi's father was the one that sacrificed for that help if we are honest.

Not that other anon, but this still counts towards Hitagi actually trying to solve the problem, as opposed to pretending like it wasn't there. Just because her father got conned out of his money doesn't mean Hitagi wasn't genuinely trying to fix what was wrong with her.

> reporting them would have done would have made her alone sooner.

It also would have solved the biggest source of her stress, no one said it would be easy, but she should have known that was the only real option at the time, that, or do as she actually did, and just endure it until she graduates, which she only managed to get through because of her character arc shift and her actually getting the balls to ask for her own room.

>>149476867
>Child protective services seems to work like shit in their world.
Considering they allowed a 13 year old girl who would not pass in any psychological exam to live alone after her only parent left became "missing", they might as well not exist in that world. Especially when she then stayed two years without even going to school.

I always thought Koyomi fell in love with Hanekawa, but would never admit it aloud. It was pretty clear in that one convo with Oshino.

"But what about your feelings?"

"My -- feelings?"

"I was sure that you loved class rep-chan."

"Don't say something absurd."

I laughed.

I broadly grinned.

Yes--

This was the cool scene where you grinned.

"I don't love Hanekawa."

"Really?"

"Really"

Let's choose to think it that way.

This was the greatest happiness.

Ha ha, Oshino laughed. A frivolous laugh.

"If it's fine with you, then all right. Though I tried to ask, class rep-chan's feelings are more important than yours -- no matter what the Hindering Cat or you did, you are the only one who can save yourself."

"Besides, Hanekawa didn't ask for my help."

Unable to ask for anything else.

Unable to ask for anything.

"......She could have just asked me."

I said, like a poor loser.

I had to say just that.

"If she asked, I would have done anything."

"Probably she thought you were unreliable."

Oshino said, extremely frank, extremely harsh.

"It just seems she'd rather rely on her own wild idea. Or maybe, unexpectedly, she might have asked for your help."

"Huh?"

"Not asking for help doesn't mean that you don't want to saved, right? Similarly, not saying you like someone doesn't mean that you don't like her."

Oshino Meme said.

As if he saw through, as usual.

"Everybody has words they can't say rashly, Araragi-kun."

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>>149477288
>I always thought Koyomi fell in love with Hanekawa, but would never admit it aloud.

He did. As much as he likes to deny it in Neko Black that he only lusts after a school girl with cat ears in underwear, he is very distinctly just splitting his emotional self from his intellectual self.
However, saying Araragi loves someone is a non-statement because he falls in love with everyone he comes across unironically.
Even poor Kanbaru.

>>149477288

To me, at least, I thought the idea was that he idolized her and put her up on a pedestal like some kind of angel after how she saved him during Kizu, but this itself was kind of the first and final nail in the coffin for their relationship, because while his worshiping of Hanekawa doesn't make her exempt from his lusty thoughts about her, he couldn't bring himself to actually love her romantically.

As it was, he didn't even seem to consider it, seeing his reaction to the cat's confession at the end of Bake kind of solidifies it for me, he's just completely baffled by the idea that Hanekawa could like him, and again, he shows the mindset he has, thinking of Hanekawa as some kind of alien-like savior that he could never think of as an equal, and by extension, could never think of romantically.

That ideal of her does eventually fade as Hanekawa goes through her character arc and becomes more honest with herself, Araragi seems to view her in a more reasonable light, but by that point he's already in love with Hitagi, so it still doesn't work out.

>>149477486
>. As much as he likes to deny it in Neko Black that he only lusts after a school girl with cat ears in underwear, he is very distinctly just splitting his emotional self from his intellectual self.
>However, saying Araragi loves someone is a non-statement because he falls in love with everyone he comes across unironically.

In the novel, he's even about to cry before the cat ears underwear line.

While choking back my tears.

Putting on airs -- I struck a pose.

"Female high schoolers in underwear and cat's ears are what I find hot!"

Like you said, Koyomi fell in love but he falls in love with everyone.

>>149476232
i know this isn't the thread but isn't hitomi better than the panda?

>>149477598
>he couldn't bring himself to actually love her romantically.

But this is all debunked in the convo with Oshino where its hinted that he did truly fall for her, but just doesn't want to admit it.


"I don't love Hanekawa."

"Really?"

"Really"

Let's choose to think it that way.

>>149477782

Eh, again, I think it fits in with the idea that he 'loves' her, just not romantically, he doesn't want to, or can't imagine himself dating her.

As it is, that moment is long gone now, and any kind of hinting you say it did is meaningless, because as we see from this point, nothing has come of it.

At the end of the day, every girl loses to Shinbo. The others will die one day, but Koyomi will live for her.

he just wants to molest snail all day

>>149478041
Araragi wants her bad enough even with everyone else alive.

>>149470458
>porn for pretentious people
It's porn with some fun character development and overarching themes along the way, honestly. Barring a handful of scenes in Nisemono (which most people shit on) and Bakemono (which most people fellate the hell out of) it's not really all that pretentious, at most it's just Shaft injecting their dopey animation style into everything. Go watch stuff like Subete ga F ni Naru or Genius Party's "Limit Cycle" and then come back to talk about pretentious anime.

you people still don't understand?

he loves crab(doesnt mean much since like another anon said the guy falls for a lot of people all the time but doesn't like to admit it for whatever reason)

he respects cat the most

he wants to die with bat

>>149471049
MUH DICK

>>149478243
how is it porn when there's literally no sex scenes?

>>149477486
>Even poor Kanbaru.
Pretty sure Koyomi views her like a close friend/sibling at most. It's what Kanbaru thinks of him that's questionable.

>>149478349
By exclusively hiring people with sex voices to VA the entire cast instead.

>>149477288
He loves Hanekawa so much he can't bear to accept it.

>>149478428
>He loves Hanekawa so much he can't bear to accept it.
You're going to anger the Crabfags anon.

>>149477937
He loves her as a lover, but then again, his inferiority complex kicks in.

>>149478451
Why? that's one of the beauties of immortality. There is time for everything.

>>149477139

Have you ever seen cases like these?

If anything, it would be a new source of stress, not a lessening of stress. Her mindset changed primarily because she was subconsciously trying to please them, and have them accept her as their daughter. Accepting that your efforts were a waste of time and then spending who knows how long with litigation and foster home crap is more than just "not easy", especially for a kid. Along with accepting that literally none of your family members ever gave a damn, your own birth mother cared more about not burdening her boytoys than you, leaving her corpse over your bed, spinning like a mobile as the ultimate 'fuck you, you ruined everything'.

That is a mammoth amount of shit to swallow. I'm surprised Nisio just swept it under the carpet like he did. Can't even really take the parents up on charges, so she has to just swallow it all and move on alone. Unfair is an understatement.

>>149475143
>implying LN are really books

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>>149479840
book
bo͝ok/
noun
noun: book; plural noun: books

1.
a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers.
"a book of selected poems"
synonyms: volume, tome, publication, title; More
novel, storybook, anthology, treatise, manual;
paperback, hardback, pocket book, e-book
"Nadine and Ian have recommended some good books"
a literary composition that is published or intended for publication as a book.
"the book is set in the 1940s"
used to refer to studying.
plural noun: one's books; plural noun: the books
"he is so deep in his books he would forget to eat"
a main division of a classic literary work, an epic, or the Bible.
"the Book of Genesis"
the libretto of an opera or musical, or the script of a play.
the local telephone directory.
noun: the book
"is your name in the book?"
the Bible.
noun: the Book
informal
a magazine.
an imaginary record or list (often used to emphasize the thoroughness or comprehensiveness of someone's actions or experiences).
"she felt every emotion in the book of love"
2.
a bound set of blank sheets for writing or keeping records in.
"an accounts book"
synonyms: notebook, notepad, pad, memo pad, exercise book, workbook; More

>>149478359
Hanekawa doesn't seem to think so.

>>149475477
>I hope I wasn't the only one a little bummed she was spending New Year's alone in Koi while Hitagi and Koyomi partied it up with family and probably shagged each others brains out.
Wasn't she supposed to be out-of-town by Koi but had secretly hung around town to do stuff? Or was that later on

>>149455341
somehow you got the situation exactly backwards.

>>149481106
Gahara was on edge about their relationship too, doesn't mean anything. Kanbaru dindu nothing, she's a good girl.

>>149479840
http://ask.fm/makkusutl/answers/138480902437?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=answer_own#_=_

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>>149481310
Kabaru is a SLUT

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>>149481310
Still doesn't change the fact that Koyomi fell for her.

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>>149481310
Kanbaru dislikes Hanekawa and Gahara's relationship but unlike Gahara, Kanbaru actually has reason to be worried.

>>149483794
Nah, Koyomi & Kanbaru have a Hanekawa & Koyomi-type relationship if anything (slightly less possessive/crazy on both ends though). In the LN version of Nadeko Snake they talk about how if they had met earlier (without Senjougahara in the picture) they may have fallen for each other, but since that wasn't what happened there was no point in humoring the idea. They're just bros who have seen each other naked, nothing more!

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why is kanbaru so best

>>149484597
why can't girls like this ever win in these stories? not even talking about Monogatari specifically here, they're fine with making MCs lewd manwhores but then won't match them up with a female equivalent of that

>>149455341
I hope the series ends with him impregnating both his sisters.

>>149483939

The only reason Kanbaru is afraid is because Hanekawa does elicit strong attraction in both Araragi and Senjougahara. Like, if the Cold Sisters got drunk, I could see some ravishing happening.

And if Hanekawa seduced either Araragi or Senjou, they would be 100% on board, while Kanbaru has to stick to teasing.

>>149484859
>The only reason Kanbaru is afraid is because Hanekawa does elicit strong attraction in both Araragi and Senjougahara.

So she has reason to be worried. If she saw the shit Senjougahara and Hanekawa got up to in Neko White then she'd be devastated.
Araragi would probably get twice as molested to make up for it.

>>149484859
>And if Hanekawa seduced either Araragi or Senjou, they would be 100% on board
Tsubasa Tiger proved that this wouldn't happen anymore with Araragi though

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>>149485219
>Tsubasa Tiger proved that this wouldn't happen anymore with Araragi though
You honestly think Koyomi would turn down a poly relationship with Hitagi and Hanekawa? Plus he has Shinobu on top of that.

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>crabfags cant stand the fact their favorite is the female lead yet has least screentime out of all the girls and most boring convos with koyomi + koyomi falls for anyone so she isnt special at all. PLUS shes going to die one day while koyomi moves to shinobu

>>149485686
terrible greentexting abilities

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>>149485807
>crabfags can't say anything back because they know its true so they try to derail from the main point

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I can't fucking wait to see the end of Mayoi Hell animated. Kiss-shot will be absolutely glorious.

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>>149455341
We know

>>149485602
Hanekawa wouldn't take part in a poly relationship, in regards to Araragi she wants him all to herself or bust.

>>149486100
Her and Hitagi were pretty gay in some parts of the novel. Especially the latter.

>>149485934
She's glorious in Ougi Dark as well.

>>149486157
The biggest example of her & Gahara's relationship was in Tsubasa Tiger. In that same arc, Hystery Tiger later comes along to kill Gahara - like it did earlier to the abandoned school (in Shinobu Mail) to kill Kanbaru after she heard that she was meeting up with Araragi there

Like I said, in regards to Araragi she wants him all to herself.

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>>149486254
I have to wonder, though. Will they use the simplified appearance of the anime flashbacks, or adopt the movie appearance?

>>149486312
>in regards to Araragi she wants him all to herself.
She can him when Hitagi dies from old age because shes just a normal human.

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>>149478041
There's only one girl that Araragi was prepared to abandon everything to be with.

>>149486332
I doubt they'll use the movie design. However, the character designer definitely learned a lot from doing Kizu so I think we'll see some updates from previous arcs.

>>149486312
Except that Hanekawa's jealousy towards Senjougahara was about Gahara's family, not Araragi. This is an explicit plot point in the novel version.

Black Hanekawa points out that if she were jealous of Gahara for stealing Araragi, she would burn down the person herself, not just her house. Hanekawa never wanted to kill Gahara because she loves her just as much as Araragi.

>>149486494
He was also happy to die for Hanekawas sake that one time and declared that he wants to die next to Shinobu.

>>149486494
Hachikuji is his bro, not his hoe. Of course he'd give up everything for her. I just realised that the entire period of the story where Koyomi was a depressed sack of shit starts from Hachikuji's death and ends with Hachikuji's resurrection.

>>149486549
>Hanekawa never wanted to kill Gahara because she loves her just as much as Araragi.
The ot3 I deserve. Well ot4 including Shinobu.

>>149486549
>she would burn down the person herself, not just her house.
Doesn't match up with what happened earlier with the abandoned school. Kanbaru wasn't specifically targetted there, the entire school was.

Isn't Monogatari series a proof that individuals don't have to love only one person? And life goal is to make relationships with people who understands that

>>149485602
>You honestly think Koyomi would turn down a poly relationship with Hitagi and Hanekawa?
Absolutely. The series has proven again and again that Koyomi would rather spend all his free time hanging out with undead lolis instead.

>>149486647
It had something to do with how Kako represents a jealousy of families, so it burns down the homes that represent those relationships. The cram school does seem to deviate from the pattern a bit, but there's no point in arguing this because it's all explicitly in Hanekawa's inner monologue. It's not my speculation.

>>149486674
Crabfags don't like to be reminded of the fact that Koyomi fell in love with Tsubasa first and wants to die with Shinobu.

Hitagi barely gets any screentime despite being his lover.

>>149455341
I'm a Batfag, but you're high as shit

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>>149486494
Not everything.

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>>149486863
Read the novels.

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>>149486747
>Absolutely. The series has proven again and again that Koyomi would rather spend all his free time hanging out with undead lolis instead.
You got me there.

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>>149456753
I don't get why people think Crab likes Cat. She actually wants to to be Cat. That's why she grows her hair back out and braids it like Cat. She's trying to be Cat so Araragi never leaves.

>>149486939
You should re-read Hanamono before telling me anything, you filthy anime-only piece of shit.

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>>149487256
>you filthy anime-only piece of shit.
I told you to read the novels, you dumbass.

>>149487293
Hana. Monogatari.

>>149487163
She's still fucked since she's going to die from old age one day. Even if he moves on to another girl after her death, Shinobu is the one that truly gets him in the end.

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>>149487499
Sorry, bro. It's actually going to be another girl since Shinobu will eventually die too. The only one who won't die will get him.

Pic related.

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>>149486674
If anything it's proof that most people are retards who don't understand that "love" is a very complex concept with many different meanings.

>>149487499
What is she going to lose from Araragi moving on after she's lived a full human lifespan? The bigger issue is the constant presence of Araragi's "loli slave" who may or may not be more important to him than she is.

>>149487577
Shinobu is the one he wants to die next to. When she dies, he dies.

>>149487621
>The bigger issue is the constant presence of Araragi's "loli slave" who may or may not be more important to him than she is.
She already is more important than Hitagi. She's the one he wants to die next to.

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>>149487633
Snail won't let him.

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>>149486885
She suggested it, not him.
>The only people you foist your problems on are Shinobu-san and me, right?

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>>149487580
The way those clothes are drawn is EXTREMELY lewd.

>>149487681
I'm trying to take a more moderate stance on the issue so that non-delusional crabfags can see the point.

Also, "the one he wants to die next to" is a really vague descriptor. Shinobu is Araragi's not-so-platonic life partner.

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>>149487898
Monogatari girls make everything look lewd

>>149487580
>all these group shots were made before Ougi and Sodachi show up
damn

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>>149455341
Who here /gay/ for Araragi?

>>149487899
>really vague descriptor
Not really. Hitagi is his lover and nothing will change that, Tsubasa is the person he respects the most, and Shinobu is the one he wants to die next to or with.

>>149488258
trying to find any fanart of Sodachi at all is pretty tough
She has 1/10 of the artwork Ougi does

>>149487899
Ougi confirmed that he loves Shinobu.

>>149488258
Sodachi would be probably be distraught and looking through a window outside in the background in such pictures anyway.

>>149488432
Who doesn't Koyomi love?

>>149488345
Araragi certainly wants to do a whole lot of living next to Shinobu as well, among other things. It's a much more intimate relationship than doing a suicide pact with someone you met on the internet. It's a massively insufficient description of their relationship.

>>149488563
Kaiki

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>>149488364
Ougi appeared earlier, is closely related to multiple other characters and is an important character for the final season, although a lot of fanart is considerably out of character.

It's unfortunate that even some official Sodachi artwork never got scanned. At this point I just want a GSC figure.

I'm a straight man but I fell in love with Araragi. I'm kind of sociopath, but I can consider Araragi as a true friend if we become one

>>149488769
What are you, an Italian?

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>>149488816
Sounds more like Swedish to me.

>>149479840
If they aren't books how come you can buy them in a book store?

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why is this pic so cute?

>>149476329
>best selling anime blue rays of all time
>singlehandedly able to fund Madoka, which earned a shit ton more
k

>>149488622
OBJECTION!

>>149491094
It's because Nadeko's not in it, of course!

>>149474578
Look at this pretentious cuck.

>>149492005
what did he mean by that?

The best girl is spook

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>>149494653
I see that I am not the only one here with good taste

>>149456139
never because dyke oral herpes

>>149497051
araragi could cure her oral herpes with his saliva

>>149484778
Because Japan always hates what we like. It's just facts.

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kiss shot was really cute during the moment ragi accepted

>>149497334
i want to motorboat her udders

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>>149499586
I want to do way more than that to them.

>>149497334
Cute is her default. Too bad she spent so long being constantly miserable.

>>149491604
He hated him.

>>149455341
>men can only love a single woman at any time
stop this underage shit. why can't he love everyone in his harem?

>>149503554
Because he would need to abuse his vampire powers to recharge his dick that often, and then that would make the specialists mad.

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>>149499806
Can't wait to see her smile protected in the next Owari season.