Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1730

1 month to JLPT

>>149434108
Subtle, good job.

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>>149434108
delet pls

Lewdすぎる

>>149434149
Don't worry, N5 is easy-peasy.

What did they mean by this?

>慶應大OBの50代男性が眉をひそめて語る。

>「広研は俺らが学生の頃からチャラいヤツばかりで、女遊びが激しくて悪い噂が絶えなかった。
ニュースを見て『広研ならやりそうだ』って思ったよ
酔わせてヤるのは、あいつらの“伝統”みたいなもんなんだ」

> 「未成年の学生や『もう飲めない』ってヤツに向かってコールして、飲酒を強制するのはサークルの日常だった。
在学中、サークル絡みの飲み会で『急性アルコール中毒』で救急車が来たことは数え切れないね」

> 「自分が4年の頃、その年の新歓コンパで酔い潰れた女子学生を全裸にして撮影した画像が、広研の内部で出回ったよ。
画像は十数枚あって、女の子の顔がはっきりわかるものもあったし、局部を指で広げて撮ったやつもあった」（前出・広研OB）

I haven't touched japanese in months

Twice before I have learned kana and then just lost interest before vocabulary and grammar. I am not an avid animu watcher but I want to get back into it, as I feel like it will help me become more determined in my nip studies. Is 45 min - 1 hour a day enough to get back into nip studies without burning out?

>>149434458
For starters, yeah.
But soon you'll crave more.

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Man, learning japanese is hard. VR Pussy better be worth it. I'm so 汚い. Fuck Kanji stupid ass chinese hieroglyphics.

>>149434453
Keio sounds like a fun place to study

>>149434458

I just came into this thread for the Op image, but I learnt all the common kanji by grinding on anki for months then just burnt out. Haven't touched stuff in months maybe even a year or so. Maybe one day I can get back into it when I have the time.

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>>149434216
Thanks, I did my best. But I messed up.

The text on her panties should've been readable.
But I just pasted the image into 4chanx instead of saving it which lead to it being converted to such a low file size.

>>149434458
I've had 200 reviews for weeks. As in, I can only do enough reps to bring it below 200 reviews. Help.

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Hey /djt/, I can watch Precure without subs now (~85-95% comprehension). How long until I can watch the news? I'd say I'm at like 30-40% comprehension right now. I am trying to learn nip mostly through listening and immersion, seems to be working pretty well although it takes very long (I'm on year 2.5).

Anybody else learn nip like this?

>>149434799
It's the only way to learn when you've been learning that long.

>わがまま
>我が
>儘
holy shit

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>>149434968
我儘めぐみん

So we are all learning Japanese in pursuit of top tier entertainment from what I see.
But how do you see yourself using Japanese in the future?

Will you be doing amateur translations of things you want people to enjoy? Going pro?
Moving to Japan to work there? Or maybe simply open a blog and talk about the latest eroge?

Tell us your ambitions, /djt/anon.

>>149435100
>once I finish highschool
You have to be over 18 to frequent this site.

>>149435165
I'm gonna apply for a year of student exchange via university. We'll see how things have changed after that.

>>149434799
I doubt anyone can really say how long. It's cool that just listening is working out for you. I'm not man enough to say fuck it and completely ditch vocab study because I feel like it lets me acquire vocab super quick and that's the main barrier to comprehension.

Is memrise an okay way to learn japanese? I'm not talking about the japan 1-3 course, I'm just talking about memrise in general.

>>149435165
I have no ambitions.

>>149435165
>Will you be doing amateur translations of things you want people to enjoy?
Yes.
>Going pro?
Maybe.
>Moving to Japan to work there?
Hopefully.
>Or maybe simply open a blog and talk about the latest eroge?
Probably not.
Also, what >>149435224 said.

>>149434149
actually its 4 weeks x 7 - 3 for rest = 25 days
im so dead

>>149435165
I want to translate untranslated hentai. No, seriously. There's a bunch of god tier hentai out there I see all around sandpanda with no translations, I want to be the man to do that.

Someone spoonfeed me a good style for my mining deck.

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>>149434354

>>149435165
>Will you be doing amateur translations of things you want people to enjoy?
Yeah, I'll probably start a blog dedicated to translating obscure one-shots.

>>149435236
It depends. Multiple choice is garbage. If you do it with typing it's okay but there's still no reason to use it over anki.

This week on "to mine or not to mine"
>硬膜下血腫

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>>149435470

>>149435470
the one from the pastebin

>>149435470
terminal.sexy

pick your color scheme

>>149435509
I thought so. Guess I'll finish the two kanji courses in memrise first then go to Anki just to be more adept with kanji. It'll probably take two or three months. Thanks for the advice, anon.

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>>149434108
>not going all the way

>>149435165
I'm a JET applicant. Wish me luck, lads.

>>149435165
I'm gonna critique shitty translations of doujins by people from this thread.

>>149435479
I always find these numbers funny. The tests aren't that hard, but most applicants are obviously highly overestimating their abilities. I wonder if Jap learners suffer extra hard from the Dunning-Kruger effect or whatever it is called

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>>149435722
>Cute to look at, fun to ---

>>149435633
How do you get all these example sentences?

>>149435744
You want to be a trained monkey? And they prefer people who don't know any Japanese anyway.

Today I will remind them
>>>/gif/9529145

>>149435165
I'm hoping for WW3 soon after the elections so I can just get nuked t b f

>>149435790
笑

>>149435790
play with

>>149434799
Jesus Christ, why don't you just put in some fucking work and you'll be able to listen to the news six months from now.

>>149434108
>>149435722
>>149435820
Please stop.

>>149435633
>一人（いちにん）
>一杯（いちはい）
foolish

>>149435774
I don't think it's about overestimating. Most people just take the tests to "test themself"
Think about it, everyone knows N4 and such are worthless. You wouldn't take N4 if you knew you could easily pass it.

>>149435928
The tests cost money, I wouldn't take them if I wasn't sure I could pass. There are cheaper ways to simply test your own ability. I took the N2 to get "proof" that I knew some Japanese, which is important when applying for positions or such if I should ever want to do that.

>>149435878
how

>>149436066
>I took the N2 to get "proof" that I knew some Japanese, which is important when applying for positions or such if I should ever want to do that.

For what positions is N2 enough?

>>149436132
Guessing things from context.

>>149436066
> I wouldn't take them if I wasn't sure I could pass
But you are you. If you're thinking logically there's no reason to take N3 or below to begin with.

>>149436198
but how can u guess if you only understand only some words here and there?

>>149436202
Also, most people are willing to spend thousands on worthless classes. The JLPT is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

>>149435817
I've got a stupid degree and want to go abroad. I've basically only taken up learning after deciding to apply a while ago anyway, so it's not like I actually know the language.

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おはようおにいちゃん

ふああ

ラジオたいそうしよっか

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R76UeKY7NSc

Daily reminder that making mistakes in language learning is just alright and that you shouldn't sweat it at all.

>>149436232
Guessing.

>>149436301
日曜日だよ
何でそんなに早起きのか

>>149436132
Read the guide, do Genki and listen lots. Do what Steve Kaufmann does and listen to stuff with transcripts. After listening a few times, read through the transcript and mine any new words.

>>149436362
きょうは動物園にいくの

熊とサシでタイマンだよ！

>>149436358
how
>>149436370
okay

>>149436370
>listen to stuff with transcripts
Subs are so hard to come by

>>149435722
Delete this. I'm serious.

>>149435722
The guy sent me what he used as fuel. It was some sort of gif with a baby getting fucked. Pretty disgusting です

気持ち悪い

>>149435224
Going abroad is always a good experience, good luck.
>>149435264
Yet you are learning a difficult language, that's already showing ambition.
>>149435374
CGRascal is not the example to follow, but you already know that.
>>149435487
Any example of obscure one-shots? I saw some treasures over at Pixiv for example but nothing much on commercial media.
>>149435744
>teaching children
No touch, remember.
>>149435769
Arguing endlessly over the translations of 頂きます, I like your style.

Personally, I'd like to add a japanese side to my career, going frequently to Japan for business and dealing with customers for example.

>>149436723
That gifs hot as fuck normie scum

>>149436615
For anime, no, not at all.
In NHK news articles with videos, usually every word in the video also appears in the accompanying article, and sentences are often nearly identical. It's not direct subs but it makes it easy enough.

>>149436742
>Any example of obscure one-shots?
After making that post I flipped through some oneshot pages on MU and somewhat unsurprisingly pretty much every one I clicked on was translated. I can't think of one off the top of my head that I know is good and yet to be translated but I'm sure there's at least a few buried somewhere deep in my bookmarks.

>>149435225
Well, I mean, I'm always looking words up and shit. I study vocab, I just don't have a consistent list, kind of like how I learned English: just listening to my parents and asking what things meant.

>>149436615
NHK Easy News mate. All the articles have (synthesized, I think) audio.

>>149436843
>For anime, no, not at all.
What, Japanese subs? For airing shows?

>>149436435
そっか
好きな動物は？

>>149436937

http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

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>>149437085
ねこー

おべんとうつくっていかなきゃ

>>149437115
Thanks. Didn't seem that up to date though

>>149437183
猫お弁当？
いもうとさんは中国人だったっけ？

>>149436937
why be picky about only watching new shows
the point is there are tons of shows with subs
surely you haven't watched every good old show

>>149437426
>surely you haven't watched every good old show
Not him but if you only consider new stuff, you have fewer options to chose from.

If you suddenly start to consider everything made up to this day, you'll just be lost in a neverending sea of shit.

>>149437600
>If you suddenly start to consider everything made up to this day, you'll just be lost in a neverending sea of shit.

If you don't know enough about anime to know what good old shows you still need to see you need to fuck off and surf /a/ more

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週末のアンキやりたくない

>>149437650
I've watched all the good old shows I know of. Nobody is omniscient.

I'm just watching jojo and keijo now. I prefer reading manga and VNs.

>>149437698
ダメだよ
がんばろう

>>149436742
>Yet you are learning a difficult language, that's already showing ambition.
I suppose, but that's the extent of it, and I only started because I was insanely bored due to English-language cultural output turning to complete shit and piss. I doubt Japanese is much better but I haven't really worked my way thru that much of the backlog.

>>149435165
>Tell us your ambitions, /djt/anon.
I'm not even joking my ambition right now is to get enough level to translate this VN. I think it's a miracle of the universe and it should be every person's DUTY to read it. I need to spread it to as many people as I can.

>>149437698
やらなくてもいいよ

>>149437824
What is it

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もき??

>>149437698

でないと一生後悔するぞ

>>149437896
Pretty sure that's some early human cave drawing

>>149437713
Cool, now watch them again in japanese

Hey DJT. How do you deal with small-font computer text in Japanese? Is it typical for native speakers to blow the font up decently big or do you eventually just git gud at reading tiny-ass 漢字?

>>149437896
もぎたて just picked

>>149438356
When you're good enough it's usually enough to be able to recognise tiny kanji just from the context and general shape of the blobs

>>149438369
Thanks! The た confused me in the image, because of the top left.

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>>149437883
寝取られ熟母夏子

Someone already translated it before, but the work got lost among multiple dead links over time. It's up to me to keep the torch going for the sake of all of us. I just need to get better first.

>>149435204
You can be over 18 and be in highschool

>>149438491
>寝取られ
気持ち悪すぎる

>>149438866
That said, the "I'm over 18 but still in highschool" excuse is used so often that I'm reluctant to believe it.

>>149438974
You don't understand. Read this VN. Please. You'll see what I mean then.

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>>149435100
>>149435204
>>149438866
>>149438984

>>149439063
キュート

>>149439063
What message did he intend to convey with this?

>>149438491
>寝取られ熟母夏子
I just read this http://www.pin-point.biz/13_jukuntr/story.html and there's nothing I would not expect from a netotare eroge, I don't want to be spoiled but in which way is it a miracle? awesome story? the way they deal with fetishes? CG?

Watching raw anime without jap subs is fucking torture

>>149439418
It's the best at what it does. Even if you don't like ntr this is different. It's not what you'd just expect from yet another boring ntr.

CG is alright. Not great to be honest. But that's not what it's all about.

Read it.

>>149439899
How so?

>>149435479
Schools probably get their students to do these tests after teaching them kana over a year

>>149439914
NTR is fine, I'll give it a try.
If it's not good I will curse you and move on

>>149439984
Just frustrating as fuck missing parts, and takes forever to keep rewinding over and over again if you want to try and understand everything

>>149439914
Have you read ケダモノたちの住む家で? I'm reading through it at the moment and it's pretty perfect really, can't imagine NTR being done much better, although I don't have much to compare it to

>>149440133
>Have you read ケダモノたちの住む家で?
I have not, but I've watched the anime. My opinion of the animation is that it was below average. Can't judge the VN though.

>>149440237
Fair enough, guess I wont be able to make a proper judgement until I read more NTR shit, although I'd imagine personal preference would still play a large role, like I'm not really a fan of milfs so I'm not sure how much more I'd like something like 寝取られ熟母夏子, will probably still give it a go eventually though

Today I did Anki for 39 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 1 hour and 59 minutes.

>>149439899
Same.

>>149436742
>Going abroad is always a good experience, good luck.
Thanks, I'm gonna need it.

I have to go to their bureau next week and find out if I'm even eligible.
Japan for some reason only accepts students with a bachelor's degree, and I'm still working on my thesis.

I hope I can finish it by the registration deadline and somehow pull through.

>>149440501
I'd put it as the next one in line. But really as long as you eventually get to it, you won't regret it.

NTR and milf NTR are completely different, and doujins can't really do it justice with such short stories. You'll see.

>>149435809
Download the Core2k/6k/10k deck and there is a field by default with all of these example sentences. It's actually an incredibly robust deck that is highly customisable with a range of different sorting indexes and information to pick and choose from for your own preferences. I'd recommend it over the Core6k deck which is cited in the Anki startup guide, even if you were only intending to use up to the 6k part.
From there it's only a matter of keeping the card styling or tweaking it to how you like it, arranging the fields you want to appear on the card how you want them, etc. all very straight forward things covered in the Anki manual.

Was about 3000 words into Core2k/6k before depression and changing jobs stopped me studying Nye Hon Goo for about 3 months.

Should I just restart with the Core2k/6k/10k deck? I wanna get back into studying.

>>149440833
Ah, I thought there was some way to get Rikaisama auto-import to automatically retrieve example sentences from a database like Tatoeba.

>>149440921
Just start reading and mining, 3K words is plenty to get started

>>149440991
What does "mining" mean? A lot of people seem to say that around here.

Is it just making new decks from words you don't know when reading?

>>149441044
Please read the undecipherable blurry text

>>149441044
A mining deck is an Anki deck that consists of unfamiliar words you come across while reading, if you use the Rikaisama auto-import function, it's as simple as hovering over the word on Firefox and pressing the R key.

>>149441044
Yes.

>>149441100
>>149441106
>>149441107

Thanks lads. Guess I'll start trying to actually read some stuff instead of only doing ANKI every day.

>>149441178
That would be for the best

グッドラック

>>149440961
You can get example sentences if you use epwing2anki.

I'm trying to set up AnkiDroid so that I have to get review vocabulary right twice in a row (not new vocab). Is that possible?

魑魅魍魎

>>149441338
>Is that possible?
Not using the same deck it isn't. You can alter the graduating steps on new cards but the way the SRS is programmed it doesn't allow you to pass a card outside of the learning phase in the same manner. Kind of defeats the purpose of how the SRS functions.
You'd have to write a plugin for that sort of functionality. Not sure what sort of access you get with Ankidroid to alter it, as it isn't the same as the desktop program.

>>149441673
I think this word's actually more common than the word 木 with all the noobs posting it all the time

>>149441683

AnkiDroid doesn't seem to have any plugin functionality unfortunately. I guess I could "undo review" after I'm done and repeat it. I just feel like it sticks better that way.

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>>149439873

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>>149441835
Me every day

>>149441756
>I guess I could "undo review" after I'm done and repeat it. I just feel like it sticks better that way.
Doesn't undo review just go back prior to that card being tested, as in the next card you see will be that card anyway?
That aside, couldn't you also achieve the same sort of thing without having to constantly hit undo review, by making a duplicate of the same deck and reviewing that a period of time after the first one? You'd have to change the note type so the cards don't end up being put in the same deck, but it seems from here that spending a few minutes setting up that would be a lot easier in the longer run than having to try and gimmick your way around the SRS by hitting undo review all the time.

>>149441975

I'll try that. Should be able to clone the deck in Ankidroid I think. Thanks for the suggestion.

来る日も来る日も上手になっていこう

>>149434458
>Twice before I have learned kana and then just lost interest before vocabulary and grammar.
You haven't touched Japanese ever.

>>149438491
That reminds me, has anyone here read Kingdom in nipponese? Figure it would be harder than your average yotsubato.

>>149442295
どんどん下手になっていく気がする

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I'm gonna read another chapter even though it's almost 1 am and I'm very sleepy already.

Wish me luck.

>>149442937
what u reading

>>149443034
Detective Conan LN: 純黒の悪夢
Only 2 chapters left.
I want to finish it this weekend.

>>149443092
Good luck anon. Hope you can do it.

I'm still in the yotsubato level sadly.

>>149443128
At least you're not one of those ankidrones that gets 4k into core before starting tae kim

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>>149435470
That kangxi deck in the CoR has pretty nice styling. I plundered it with minor changes for my kanji deck. You could probably make it work for a vocab deck too.

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>>149443184
That's me, the depressed guy.

Start my new life next week. Guess I'll start doing some motherfucking reading. Yotsubato and Conan it is

>>149443192
thanks for the compliment man

>>149437385
やっぱり中国には大好物だね、可愛い可愛い子猫ちゃん。

一応はいくを買い手みた：

韓国よ
ワンワンのおと
おいしそう

>>149441906
なんだかうっとうしい。気持ちは分かるけど…

＞とするあの気持ち

>>149439063
え？　成人は二十歳以上の方だと思ったのに…　もしかして僕は…新友人？

I'm trying to figure out my plan for going though kanji.

Clearly, Core2k is super popular for good reason, but I'm also looking into the possibility of studying individual kanji and then moving into vocab.

RtK looks interesting and seems to also be popular, but the lack of readings seems a little awkward, and the author's reasoning for not having them doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense.

Does studying one way lead to a "better" understanding of the language? Conversely, are there any major drawbacks to jumping straight into vocab versus taking the time to learn individual characters?

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>>149444153
>Does studying one way lead to a "better" understanding of the language?
One leads you to know how to write at the cost of a lot of extra time (and needing to practice writing consistently to maintain your skill and actually learn how to write words instead of just individual kanji). Other than that, no.

If you are capable of just racing through Core, it is definitely what you should do. You can always learn to write later.

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Help me out guys, any of this shit worth watching?

For listening practice, ofcourse

>>149444153
>and the author's reasoning for not having them doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense.
It makes perfect sense if you read the introduction to the first book and understand it's purpose. The second book of RtK is all about readings.
>Does studying one way lead to a "better" understanding of the language?
Yes and no, but it doesn't really make a lot of difference. Some approaches take a little more time for some aspects while taking a little less time for others.
>Conversely, are there any major drawbacks to jumping straight into vocab versus taking the time to learn individual characters?
Yes and no, but it doesn't really make a lot of difference. Some approaches take a little more time for some aspects while taking a little less time for others.

Pick something and stick with it progressively for a few months. Momentum is really more important than anything else as a beginner.

kklc

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I don't see the point of this grammar form.
What's the difference in nuance between:
家は広いがいいが、広ければ掃除が大変だろう。
and
家は広いがいいが、広ければ広いで、掃除が大変だろう。

>>149444492
why does it need a point do you need there to be only one way to say any given thing?

just read more

>>149444492
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E4%B8%8A%E7%B4%9A%E7%B7%A8advanced.html#%E3%8A%A4%20%EF%BD%9E%E3%82%82[V]%E3%81%B0%EF%BD%9E%E3%82%82[V]
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E4%B8%8A%E7%B4%9A%E7%B7%A8advanced.html#%E3%8A%A4%20%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%8C%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89

>>149444453
生臭い

>>149444153
There is no clear best method. Try different things and see what works for you. The biggest drawback to jumping straight into vocab is probably that memorization is going to be a bitch for the first several thousand words, at least it was for me. Then I got used to it, and also there aren't as many new kanji all the time anymore.

I like just jumping into actual material and learning vocab in context, because then you get to actually read interesting shit right away, even if it's a struggle.

>>149443184
>starting tae kim at all
出来ない。

>>149445254
well memed

>>149444595
"Read more" is not the universal answer to any Japanese question.

No it really isn't
>>149444831
That's an interesting resource, thanks.

>>149445445
>"Read more" is not the universal answer to any Japanese question.

it is to the autists in here that can already read

>>149429122
here

thanks for the responses. Of course I understand what it means for a sentence to be passive in english but it just confused me in Japanese.

>>149445445
>That's an interesting resource, thanks.
Bookmark the main page:
http://bunpou.neocities.org/
It's basically a digital copy of the main entries of each Basic, Intermediate and Advanced volumes of the A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar books.
Unfortunately only the Basic volume has all of the concept notes converted to search able text, whereas the other two volumes are still png images, so you can't copy/paste or search Ctrl+f and find anything tucked away in them like you can with the Basic book page. The anon who was maintaining the op site was the same anon who put that bunpou page together and it looks like work to continue changing the notes from image to digital text ceased altogether some time before the site went into a zip archive distribution.

>>149445445
>That's an interesting resource, thanks.
It doesn't touch on this grammar point, though. You can find it in 日本語文型辞典 though

>>149444492
Is this from genki?

>>149444492
First is "Large houses are great, but aren't they tough to clean?", second is "Large houses are great, but aren't they then tough to clean as a result?", or as the note suggests "Large houses are great, but I'd imagine they tough to clean as a result". More precise grammar, to my ear kinda stiff.

Personally, 「もう微妙すぎ！」

～たら is still more commonly heard that ～ば (at least in Kansai/Kinki region, filthy Kantou-jin go home), even though I suspect ～ば is more often appropriate for tentative form due to it being more speculative, although apparently only I give a shit.

Still, you had better to shutup the complaint and only to learn パターン such as you have been guidance.

>>149446377
Those two が like that are annoying. I bet they did it on purpose to annoy people who are still beginning.

Fucking trolls.

>>149443128
>Good luck anon. Hope you can do it.
I did it anon, only tooka bit more than an hour.

I mined some interesting words.
配線
咳き込む
一蹴 (rejecting/refusing)
ずらかる
煽られる (to be shaken by wind)
操縦桿
夥しい

>>149446539
>they
Who

>>149446377
>～たら is still more commonly heard that ～ば (at least in Kansai/Kinki region, filthy Kantou-jin go home)
Genuinely curious: why are you commenting upon non standard Japanese as though it were relevant here? This sounds more like a pointless namedrop to pad out your post more than anything else.

>>149446539
>Those two が like that are annoying
Do you mean the ければ usage as the second or the ば after the は～が construction?
If those annoyed you then perhaps you are not up to the level assumed in the textbook.
>I bet they did it on purpose to annoy people who are still beginning.
That textbook is not designed for beginners.

>>149445445
>"Read more" is not the universal answer to any Japanese question.
No it isn't. But it's often the answer to "why" questions asked by beginners who haven't learned a language before

>>149446768
>Genuinely curious: why are you commenting upon non standard Japanese as though it were relevant here? This sounds more like a pointless namedrop to pad out your post more than anything else.
Maybe that's where he lives?

>>149446768
>Do you mean the ければ usage
He's talking about the mistranscribed hiroigaii

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Break time's over, let's get back in the hang of things.

>>149446768
>Do you mean the ければ usage as the second or the ば after the は～が construction?
Pretty obvious he means 方がいいが, or did you misread が as ば？

>>149446817
>Maybe that's where he lives?
Which is irrelevant and would be even worse, basically a djt version of
>I'm a girl by the way!

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>>149446760
They, anon. There is always a "they".

>>149446934
>Which is irrelevant and would be even worse, basically a djt version of
Not true at all. "I live in Japan and I hear xyz expression every day so it's safe to say that it's common, however I live in abc region so that might play a role here." is a completely valid thing to say.

>>149446988
(((They)))

>>149446902
Not even in the conversation, but just a quick question. The way I learned it should be 広いの方 unless I'm missing something, which I probably am.

Was that just a contraction maybe?

>>149434736
are you figuratively me?

>>149447261
no I'm as it were you

>>149435642
I tried some things but ended deciding with this after all, just altered it a bit to make it have the same background color with or without the nightly extension, so now doesn't look like crap on mobile.

What do you listen to during your reps?

>>149447967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

>>149441673
This is unironically one of the easiest words to read.

>>149447967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIEXxF0s6Fc

>>149447967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg

Great motivator

>>149446539
It's an important distinction to make though, between が used as a conjunction and used as a subject marker. It's much easier to distinguish between the two in speech though, seeing as the former has a rising intonation, so listening comprehension will most likely be easier.

>>149446768
>why are you commenting upon non standard Japanese as though it were relevant here?
1) It's relevant seeing as it's a Japanese thread and Kansai-ben is most recognisable dialect, even used by people out of Kansai for humourous effect because it's expressive. It even appears in anime, and because there is relatively little information on Kansai-ben available for English speakers, it may be particularly useful.
2) I'm qualifying my opinion because I have particularly regional experience and this may not be true for all of Japan, especially in Tokyo. It may very well be considered not only incorrect, but even worse 「いなかっぽい」, and therefore highly inadvisable.
2) I spent the majority of my time living in Kyoto, and I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about this issue because everyone outside Kinki degrades Kansai-ben as crude, whereas in fact it's very refined in Kyoto. I'm proud of my dialect.

>If those annoyed you then perhaps you are not up to the level assumed in the textbook.
>That textbook is not designed for beginners.
よくいうなぁ！お前がえらそうに初心者見下して、情けないわ。日本語能力をさておき、人の話を聞け！

>>149447967
the construction going on outside. させる

>>149447967
Nothing. I cannot study or concentrate on anything unless it's complete silence.

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>>149446102
>You can find it in 日本語文型辞典 though
If we were on 知恵袋, I would have voted you for besuto ansaa.
It's clearer for me now, looking at the three entries for that 〜ば・たら・なら〜で

>>149448209
You should lean out the window and scream "うっせーなー！"

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>>149447967
Nothing breh, have to concentrate on my form.

俺が超マッチョな奴。いわゆるハード·マッチョだ。

>>149447967
What I am listening to right now while studying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9J07uJb-Q
坂本真綾 is a goddess

>>149448430
That typesetting makes me hard

>>149447967
I can't listen to anything that isn't super ambient or I can't concentrate

>>149447967
Yoru no Himawari on repeat of course.
How else am I supposed to prepare for kamige?

>>149448205
どうして京都に住んでいた？
大学に通った？　それとも英語先生をやってた？

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>>149448429
文句ある？ばかやろう they will say

>want to download a vn in japanese
>bitshare, rapidgator, terafile
殺してくれ

>>149435165
I'd like to do translating of business documents. But I'll probably never get that good because I'm a lazy NEET piece of shit.

I like being near my family, so I can't move to Japan.

>>149448429
いや、高校通ってた。留学だったけど、まだ自営じゃなかったから、ホームステイするしかなかった。早く日本語を話せるようにならなかっていた なら、会話や連絡でもできなくて、生活するのが無理じゃなかったんじゃないか？

残念ながら、おれのすてきな輝く「日常形アニメ」的な高校生ライフの予定と比べ、現実が全然違ったわ（泣）

sorry about the slightly-tortured Japanese, がんばって！

>>149449369
nyaa

>>149449469
meant for
>>149448611

ごめんなっしゃい…

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>>149448440
俺の友人

>>149449526
I know. It's just that the torrent from there is not starting ever and it seems to be the same on as the torrent from toshokan.

>>149449469
おいテメー俺の夢を殺さないでくれ
日本の高校生活はアニメと違うはずがない
毎日かわいい女の子の手作り弁当を食べたよね

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>>149435165
I'm going to become an anime kantoku, so I need to be able to boss people around.

>>149449800
Das a stylish loli

Perhaps too stylish she looks like some slut Korean

No ナデナデ for her

>>149447967
The audio files associated with the card.

I've returned after several years of skipped reps and it seems the IRC channel is basically dead these days.

What's the story? Has everyone switched to discord or something?

>>149449720
「てめえ」って、いつの間にか！？

とにかく、別に君の夢を潰したいわけがないよ。しかし、「はず」といえば、アニメにでる高校生活はただ作家が想像した理想的なファンタジーじゃないか？現実に失望されて、自分が何よりも望んだ高校生活を現すために、アニメを制作した。しかし、誤解しないでください：こういうな作家はただ妄想にはまっていた。それ以上。

僕の気持ちを分かってくれてほしいよ。手作り弁当は女性に一同でももらわなかった。バレンタインの日に、チョコは一個でもらわなかった。ギリチョコまで！僕のあこがれちゃんに告白しようとして、「えぇ？付き合う？」と言われて、そのあと無視されて振られた。絶·望·だ。

言いたいのは、夢は夢。そのまま守った方がいい。現実にしようとすれば、どうしてもその夢を潰す。自分で経験したくはない、どうか僕を信用してくれ。たのむよ。

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Has anyone here based their mining decks on one of those WaniKani Anki templates, or otherwise used kana input options at all? I find everything tends to stick better if I actually write the readings.

>>149450690
>4chan thread IRC channel
lol

>>149450925
you don't need that hilariously bloated disaster to have text input in your anki flashcards

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お休み

>>149450998
おはよう

>>149450970
>or otherwise used kana input options at all?

>>149451145
I wasn't responding to your question

>>149450925
>or otherwise used kana input options at all?
I did it for a while with memrise (don't use memrise tho). I'd recommend it if you're lazy about grading yourself precisely.

>Oh 昆虫 is こんちゅう instead of こんじゅう？ Whatever I'll just hit 2
If this is you, use kana input.

I feel myself getting more and more lazy with this so I'll switch back to kana input soon.

where do I go on the internet to beg for chinese cartoon translations

>>149451754
Not here.

>>149451796
if not here then where

>>149451822
Most people here wouldn't know, that's exactly why we're learning Japanese.

>>149451822
https://www.reddit.com/r/translator/

>>149450778
>ギリチョコまで！
バカな、そんなわけないじゃない
お前はどんなに太くてかっこ悪いでも、やさしいクラス委員長が義理チョコをあげるはず
とにかくお前はただのモブキャラってことだね
俺のような主人公が同じ経験をするわけがない

>>149451576
Anon... if your reading comprehension is this poor, are you sure you can learn Japanese?

>>149452072
Anon, you don't have to agree with the reservations given in a post to respond to the person that made it.

>>149452108
>reads half of the first sentence in a post
>instantly responds negatively without bothering to read the rest
>is given the exact quote that makes his response redundant
>goes over his head completely
???
???
???
???
???

>>149452260
Who are you quoting?

>>149444346
I guess that's a no. Thanks everyone

Now to find something old to watch

>>149452260
i read your entire post in the first place you cunt

>>149452411
No, you didn't. Go ahead and read the whole quote chain again and then slap yourself in the face for being such an idiot. I always knew poor grammar-kun was legitimately retarded.

>>149452409
I don't know why you want to watch old outdated shit anyway, with the exception of a few masterpieces like Utena new anime is objectively better in every way.

>>149452496
yes, in fact, i did read your whole post

the fact that you're somehow offended by my response cannot not change that

When reading, say, a block of text in a visual novel, do you stay on that screen until you've completely understood the text or is getting the general idea good enough?

>>149452499
>Utena
>masterpiece
Dropped it after two episodes

There are some good older anime I haven't watched yet and a lot of movies

>>149452565
>offended
Nah, entertained, I'd say. Zero reading comprehension and goldfish memory. Not really a combination suited for learning a complex language. Go ahead and read the first two posts in our chain as many times as necessary for you to understand why you're coming off as such an idiot. Perhaps you should add them to Anki, and it'll come to you in time.

>>149452878
you seem to have missed the part where i said that i wasn't responding to your question

that means my post is not bound to the allowances and conditions set forth in yours. at all. in fact, it's allowed to *literally* be nothing but a heads up for lurkers.

>>149451111
90s > 2011

>>149452983
And you seem to have missed the part that made your post entirely redundant and outed you as a sub 80 IQ tard who does nothing but spout negativity and toxicity in these threads. You were implying that the poster was under the impression that the WaniKani template was the only way to have text input, when in less than 10 words later, the post had included text input as a whole in the question, making your little comment, wait for it... pointless. Not "responding to the question" wasn't the issue here.

I refuse to believe you're even capable of dressing yourself in the morning without assistance. It's mindblowing that we have people like this in a language learning community.

>>149453399
anon, 4chan is not your safe space for highly regulated aspergers social exchanges

tl;dr didn't read past your favorite buzzword ”redundant”, you never change

>>149453399
>You were implying that the poster was under the impression that the WaniKani template was the only way to have text input
Except he wasn't.

Go away.

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Only 1158 more days until I finish 6k, lads. Don't work yourself to death, anon ;)

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>>149434108
Just finished reading ひとりぼっちの○○生活 and 三ツ星カラーズ a couple of days ago and would heavily recommend them to anyone looking for two relaxing but funny and damn adorable manga to read. So far there are only 2 and 3 volumes published, respectively, so it isn't a huge time investment. If you were to read them, read 三ツ星カラーズ first. It has furigana whereas the other is a 四コマ without furigana.
The character designs are similar and you can see cute similarities between some of the characters, and other minor things, which makes it nice to read them both one after the other. Same mangaka.
I would put the difficulty of 三ツ星カラーズ somewhat above よつばと！ and that of ひとりぼっちの○○生活 around 苺ましまろ, for reference. Also, the character designs and some of the interactions seem rather inspired by 苺ましまろ, with the character designs you'd think almost drawn by ばらスィー in the latest volume of 苺ましまろ.

ひとりぼっちの○○生活 has dorky pun names, which is a huge plus because I love that shit, like
>一里ぼっち（ひとり ぼっち）
>砂尾なこ（すなお なこ）
>本庄アル（ほんしょう アル）
>ソトカ・ラキター (gaijin character)
>押江照代（おしえ てるよ）
>八原かい（やわら かい）
>倉井佳子（くらい かこ）

三ツ星カラーズ
https://mega.nz/#F!9RATULwC!1bCbVSeCMmCPJOQr_vuycA
ひとりぼっちの○○生活
https://mega.nz/#F!lBx1CLoZ!HG3VQVhSVyl8VLs58wgqCA
pic unrelated
with audio: https://a.uguu.se/crkQ4OlJ38Lf_1472807687578.webm

>>149451111
ございます！
http://dec.2chan.net/55/res/7765000.htm

>>149453523
thanks, ill start on those after マンアシ

How do you call niggers who escape quickly from the cops?

逃がす

>>149452569
Started reading キノの旅 the other day and one one page with a lengthy bit of talk from a guy explaining something for a good quarter of the page I didn't really understand what he was talking about then for whatever reason near the end of the page it started to make sense and the image in my mind became coherent.
So I guess from my recent experience I could tell you that it is possible do just keep on reading and it may start to make perfect sense. I think this is the "extensive reading" approach.

>>149453857
well for one knt is almost a graded reader

Are onomatopoeias the last boss of Japanese?

They all sound really similar, and they just keep coming.

>>149453726
マンガ家さんとアシスタントさんと?

>>149453887
Why do people say this? I've seen it a few times but never really seen an explanation.

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>>149453472
>tl;dr
Anon is still retarded. More news at 11.

Do me a favor and get a tripcode, anon. It'd be a blessing to finally be able to ignore poor grammar-kun.

>>149453493
Yes, he did. His post was completely fucking pointless. It'd be the equivalent of someone attending a cooking show shoot, and when the host brings up one ingredient or cooking method, briefly noting that there are alternatives, that one retarded immediately stands up and goes "hurr duurrr, you don't need that to make that dish, there are alternatives, you faggot."

The crowd promptly roll their eyes, thinking that he must be retarded.

Are we watching 舟を編む?
Seems like DJT show

>>149453973
The grammar is very simple in comparison to the concepts covered, and words are reused a lot in a given stretch before showing up again once a while later

>>149452569
Depends. I've said this before but as long as you learn N+1 stuff at a reasonable pace you'll make good progress. The rest doesn't matter so much. Is the grammar slightly difficult or the vocab slightly difficult? Work to understand all of it. Is it all extremely difficult? Just get the gist. Are you skipping way too much and finding everything too hard? Read something easy (unless you're already reading hanahira or NHK new easy in which case git gud)

If you're reading something you care about you'll be forced to fully understand a decent chunk of stuff anyway if you want to follow the story.

>>149454015
So mad. So unsociable. So schizophrenic.

>>149454021
nah i watch djt and read yakuza fiction

>>149454031
>The grammar is very simple in comparison to the concepts covered
Doesn't seem any more or less difficult than 狼と香辛料, but I've never seen a similar comparison.
>and words are reused a lot in a given stretch before showing up again once a while later
Isn't that the same for almost any written fictional work? The author's idiolect, isn't it? I see the same thing with manga and the same thing with English novels. The 涼宮ハルヒ books seem to do that sort of thing pretty heavily. I don't know, it doesn't sound at all convincing to be honest.

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>>149453973
>マンガ家
ya, i like it alot so far.. he seems to have stopped handwriting scribbles or at least i got better at reading them based on context

>>149454015
>poor grammar-kun
Christ sake, you will spergs stop creating boogeyanons already?

>>149454041
Sounds like you're projecting a lot. Are you okay? Come sit on my lap and tell me all about it.

>>149454202
it's not fresh, he's used that one before

>>149454216
Look up what projection means.

>>149454202
>you will spergs stop creating
That's just great, anon. DJT having a senior moment.
>>149454222
Yes, and big surprise, the target of the nickname identifies it each time. Whoa. So much for boogeyanons.

>>149454292
nah im new to modern djt, came back thanks to a manga i was looking for in the cor

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I've been watching some anime without subtitles, I don't understand more than half things and get this feeling of wanting to kill myself, should I force myself to keep watching or should I get a bigger vocabulary first, I've got around 2000-2500 mature words by the way.

>>149454390
just watch more

>>149452569
I generally skim it and go back if it's clear within 30 seconds that I've misunderstood something

happened a lot in muramasa (which I read way before I was ready)

>>149454246
None of those attributes could be applied to that post, so you must be projecting your innermost insecurities. My lap is still available.

>>149454390
That's silly anon. If you can't even read the subtitles how do you expect to understand whats going on without them. At the very least, download the (japanese) subs file, give it a good read through while mining all the words, and then once the words are at like 10 day intervals then watch the episode.

Personally though I wouldn't touch anything that doesn't allow text hooking unless I had at least 4k words.

>>149454461
Did I accuse you of projecting? I don't believe I did.

>>149454527
same

>>149454390
The secret is doing everything at once.
You watch some anime, read some mangas, progress in that VN, do you reps, read your grammar book and polish the gun with which you'll kill yourself.

Oh, and don't forget to make japanese friends too. Should be easy for you, just b urself

>>149454492
DJT having another senior moment. What's going on today?

>>149454543
Did I respond to you? I don't believe I did.

>>149454390
After watching an episode, go through the japanese subtitles. See if you can understand in written form what you couldn't understand while listening. Once you've determined whether your issues were with unknown or with unrecognized vocabulary, you'll know whether you need to increase your vocab or your listening comprehension.

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>>149454527
Once nervejacked VR is a go, the amount of virtual homosex through lolis avatars is going to be insane.

>>149454390
Depending on what you're watching that's pretty good. Compared to me at least

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>>149454198
Can't fault a man for his honesty.
>he seems to have stopped handwriting scribbles or at least i got better at reading them based on context
You're probably getting used to them. Doesn't take as long as you think it would when it comes to manga because you sort of see handwritten scrawl so often.

https://nhentai.net/g/124336/

>>149454390
>should I force myself to keep watching or should I get a bigger vocabulary first, I've got around 2000-2500 mature words by the way.
Getting more words probably isn't going to be effective unless you mean something like all of Core10k. You're probably much better off targeting the anime you are watching speficially by either reading the manga first, so you are already familiar with a lot of the vocab which is going to be used; grabbing jp subtitles and using that to study the vocab of in Anki; or both.
There are loads of blogs out there where a Japanese will go out and basically dump entire episode scripts along with a million images that can be very useful for getting unknown vocab specifically for the thing you want to understand.

>>149454543
>another senior moment
What do you mean by this? Senior as in "oldfag" type thing or senior as in senile- or something else entirely?

>>149454971
Going up to 4-5k is definitely pretty useful.

Yeah, maybe only half of those will appear in your first anime series but that's still pretty high effectiveness considering you had to do NO work to actually find the words and make cards out of them.

I think you might as well keep doing Core until you actually feel like the words are no longer useful. Once motivation stops, that's when it's time to mine.

>>149455018
literal ESL detected

>>149455095
My god your type is annoying.

>>149455064
>Going up to 4-5k is definitely pretty useful.
No doubt. I didn't/wouldn't suggest to anon to stop doing that, just to introduce target specific vocab study on the side if he really wanted to understand a certain show better.

>>149455095
English is my only language, not counting poor Japanese. Would you mind explaining what you mean? I'd rather not make an assumption that you can use an excuse for shitposting. I'm asking for clarity; to be direct.

How's that Japanese studying going?

>>149455261
あんまりよくないよ

>>149455151
As opposed to a figurative ESL?

>>149455261
一進一退

>>149455261
きょうは新聞を読みました

hey guys is hiragana battles any good ?

>>149455419
the guide has something even better manfriend!

>>149455419
>hiragana battle
>Now here's the best part: When I started this, I didn't have a clue about what each symbol was. It's just a lot of nonsense to me. But after ony two hours of playing, I have a pretty decent understanding what 15 of these symbols mean, and many of them can "transform" into other symbols by adding a " at the end.

>>149455471
>I have a pretty decent understanding what 15 of these symbols mean
I-is he talking about kenjis

>>149455532
>I-is he talking about kenjis
He wishes

>If you want help studying hiragana, this is a great tool. I've tried to begin learning Japanese for the past 15 years. But I've never really been great with flash cards as a learning style. It was always a side project, so I never really made, and most importantly retained, any progress learning hiragana.

>Surprisingly, a little under 12 hours spaced over a few months, and I feel pretty confident in the writing system. I'm moving on to beginning textbooks and rosetta stone with confidence. I'm writing all of my study guides in hiragana. Sure I have to look at a hiragana table every once in a while. But it is very rare.

>>149455555
美しい

>>149455159
>Would you mind explaining what you mean?
I wasn't the one who posted it. "senior moment" has a very specific meaning in English so if he used it for anything else he fucked up.

Is there an option in anki to scramble the review order for the cards you're on today?

I've found that when I'm doing my reviews it's mirroring the order that I learnt them. So old cards first and then my last bunch of cards are all ones I've learnt in the past few days.

It feels like I'm cheating as it's narrowing down the pool of words I need to remember them from.

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>>149455471
https://a.uguu.se/s1B7ShEkqpcU__Niconico_Video_GINZA_smile_flv.webm

>>149455746
Different countries have different common phraseology and is when you're online it isn't always safe to make assumptions about connotative phrases and their intended meaning. That is why I specifically referenced one of the common connotations when asking for clarity.
Sometimes asking for clarity can save lengthy autistic arguments created by anons talking past each other.

>>149456068
Being Norwegian, English is essentially my fourth language, but I'm pretty sure that idiom is only ever used in one context and doesn't have different meanings in each English speaking country. Either way, in the context of that trainwreck of an argument, its intended meaning should be clear.

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>>149453519
おこた…おこた…いま、おこたが恋しい

>>149456293
Asking for clarity hurts nobody and can beneficial to the situations. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.
Either way I guess the conversation is truly over but it is well worth keeping in mind that sometimes swallowing personal pride and asking a question that might be seen as obvious can save a lot of pointless argumentation. There is already an example of such a thing in this, starting from an otherwise innocent post relating to Anki which spiralled into madness over a simple misunderstanding, from here: >>149450925

>>149456068
>save lengthy autistic arguments created by anons talking past each other
Nothing can save us from shitposting though. No matter what you do, someone finds a way. See >>149455095

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>>149456515
>No matter what you do, someone finds a way. See >>149455095
That's actually kind of funny as that post was in response to one of my posts and my response to that was to ask for clarity, which started this conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_BhJL_sdE

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>>149453519
less than a month til ive seen all mine, but obviously a ways to go before they're mature

And my mining deck is awaiting..

>>149456485
>No matter what you do, someone finds a way.
On DJT, I can assure you that 9 out of 10 times it's poor grammar-kun having a fit, likely stemming from caffeine abuse. He's very easily identified, and though he claims ignorance, we know.

>>149456965
Why don't you just call him ESL-kun? It's much faster to type.

>>149456965
Is poor grammar-kun the same guy as sakura?

>>149456673
はかせパンツはいたほうがいいよ

>>149456772
How many a day?

>>149456965
Misquote?

>>149457035
What did you intend to express? Pretty sure she would be wearing pantu.

>>149457129
started on 20, found it was ok, raised it to 25, got overwhelmed suddenly, lowered it to 15 and left it there till 3 months ago and just when back to 20 + odd bit of cramming
my long term retention is still shitty so i recently set starting ease at 200%

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>>149456965
>>149457008
>>149457016
Any more to add while we are at it?

>>149457439
>my long term retention is still shitty
Would you mind sharing your retention stats for that deck?

>>149457488
>Any more to add while we are at it?
Jamal?

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>>149457488
here, とってもできない

>>149457488
hwabyung autist and "hwa-kun"

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>>149457562
>>149457743

>>149457836
>scapegoat
Ok, remove sakura from there

>>149457836
Don't even joke about that, mang. His shitposting is very real.

>>149457836
jamal and sakura are definitely real and very recognizable

>>149457886
>>149457926
>>149457932
Sorry, it doesn't work like that. The entire point of the image is to illustrate how stupid these boogeyanons are which the regulars who need to spend less time here like to make up and blame all of their personal gripes on.
What exactly did you think the first image was if not a scapegoat? Seems like a sign that you really need to take a break.

>>149457630
I am so sorry

>>149457836
hwabyung autist is pretty impossible to misidentify though
and jamal is pretty hard to mistake as well

>>149457948
point is, at least jamal and sakura are real
i've been called argumentative autist, esl-kun, poor grammar-kun and hwa-kun on different occasions
and guess what, i am none of these, probably because they don't fucking exist

>>149457948
>i'm too stupid to realize that some people post here frequently and are recognizable by their posting style
do you think imouto is a boogeyman too?

>>149457996
Argumentative autist most definitely existed, if only for the period of about a week. But he was the first of his kind so he became the go-to whenever someone was being super autistic while using their wikipedia fallacy terminology.

>>149458001
What does imouto have to do with the others?

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>>149457996
>and guess what, i am none of these, probably because they don't fucking exist
Like the rest of them. The longer you stay cooped up in a general, the narrower and more tribalistic you become. The same thing happens to every general. Come on, man. That it took till labelling the painfully obvious image literally "DJT_scapegoat" before the same anons throwing out names to catch on really illustrates this phenomenon.

>>149457950
>I am so sorry
its ok, someone has to be retarded for others to feel better
theres probably a proverb

>>149458104
>imouto
Who? Stop making up characters anon

>>149457630
>Those NEET study hours

>>149458001
This, to be quite honest, Famicom.
I can easily recognize this guy, for instance.
>>149457948
>>149456485
>>149456068
>>149455159
Took note of you excessive KKLC shitposting yesterday as well.

I do wear a tinfoil hat IRL.

>>149458140
I know right, what kind of dumb loser spends all their time in generals? They're so cancerous and circlejerky. In fact, why are you and I here? Let us leave this place forever and never return, so we can be free of generals forever.

>>149458140
Reminder that this is literally the guy who made the thread railing against DJT and generals in the Sakura times. These are the depths he is willing to go to to.

>>149458221
I'm with you, bro.

>>149458205
>someone with these stats cant hold a job
>what are the odds

>>149458223
Wasn't that Sakura himself?