What went wrong?

>>149412126
Nothing got explained.
Only Shinji is relevant.
Characters act like retards.
Gendo won by doing nothing.
CG everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yPwL0dcjZY

>>149412214
b-b-but 3.0+1.0 will give us the exposition we need, anon!

ANNO HAS 1 MOVIE TO GIVE US 2 MOVIES WORTH OF EXPOSITION. HE BETTER NOT FUCK THIS UP

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>>149412126
Faggots couldn't handle Kaworu becoming best girl.

>>149412261
Holy shit Kaworu is fucking shit in 3.33
They had 3 movies to develop him, he had so much more potential than he did in the series and they crashed and burned. idk how they even managed to fuck up so bad.

>>149412252
I don't understand this meme. All of the exposition in the world can't make up that nothing of value happened last movie. Even kawrou ended up being a shitty filler character. He met Shinji and then died in another meaningless plot that didn't actually go anywhere or get anything accomplished. The only thing of value he did was bring shinji from the depths of despair and die to break him some more. But the thing is after he found out that he destroyed the world and that he failed to save Rei he would still be in the same state.

Even if 3.0+1.0 is great it still doesn't make 3.0 a good movie. Lack of exposition was the least of it's problems.

I only watched 1.0, I assume it's safe to say don't bother with the others?

>>149412448
2.0 is great

>>149412448
I wish the others were like 1.0...
>>149412406
3.33 made Kaworu worse than shitty filler.
>JAM WITH ME SHINJI
>OH IM A BIGGER BITCH THAN YOU NOW. FUCK OFF

chins

>>149412406
>remove death collar from Shinji
>lol put it on yourself
Anno is hard to understand sometimes.

>>149412592
He *was* going to put it on himself eventually....
whatever that means.

>>149412126
mari and all the hype around a pointless and irrelevant character

>>149412592
You know how did Kawrou know how the collar made by an enemy organization that his group had long split off from worked? If kawrou knew then gendo probably knew too. How come he didn't order it to be take off Shinji? Shinji dying while trying to complete gendo's goal would fuck up his plans. If it was that easy why couldn't Shinji be able to take it off himself?

>>149412704
Why couldn't he just have taken it off Shinji and then trashed it?

>>149412477
2.0 is literally only fanboy pandering, that it even more evident in hindsight.

>>149412730
this guy gets it.

>>149412730
Because "I trust you shinji!" Which is completely retarded in it's own right considering how Shinji keeps on betraying everybody's trust left and right, and how blind Shinji is at the thoughts of restoring the world again. Some forced way to make Kawrou's death Shinji's fault I guess.

>>149412808
Unit 13 uses a double entry plug. Shinji shouldn't have been able to even do anything without Kaworu assisting him, then again Anno decided to give us fuck all exposition for double entry plugs.

>>149412842
It's weird because they show us that Shinji and kawrou needed to work in perfect tandem to make unit 13 function properly.

Which begs the question W=why'd they even need two entry plugs for unit 13 in the first place? What's the benefit of having two people synch up to an evangelion at the same time? I can't imagine it'd make it easier to control. Don't think we'll be getting an answer for this in the next movie since unit 13 is completely trashed now. I doubt it'll be relevant again.

>>149412941
>tfw Anno dedicates an excellent episode to showing how Asuka and Shinji synchronize to take down an Angel using separate Eva Units
>Cant even use an entire film to explain why it's important for Unit 13 to use a double entry plug in the first place

>>149412983
Anno was too busy thinking about how to screw up shinji's life even more he never sat down and thought about why things are happening the way they were.

The original evangelion could get dramatic, of course, but at least things made logical sense in the world that Anno had developed. Your post is a perfect example of the difference in writing of the original series and the rebuilds. It's like he doesn't actually give a shit about telling a story any more.

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>>149412730
You clearly don't know shit about shit anons, chokers are /fa/ as fuck, how else are you going to show people you're top fag?

>>149413372
He's already gay looking enough.

>>149412748
2deep4u?

I loved it
Gods gift is my favorite instrumental Eva song in the entire series, visuals were beautiful, action scenes were great, Wunder is an awesome and crazy concept, dual pilot Eva was insane, Gendo took playing 4D chess to another level, the world looks crazy and seriously scary and fucked up, Kaworu steals the show, the final battle is really great as well
Still leaving us on a 4+ year long cliffhanger was annoying

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>mfw rewatching it
bravo anno

truly the master of profundity and suggestion

>>149412448
This

I couldn't even handle 1.0 due to serious pacing issues and heavy use of cgi that looked out of place. And from the trailers it looks like 2.0 and 3.0 doubled down on bad plot, bad cgi and awful pacing.

What were they thinking?

>>149412126
even though the rebuilds are garbage (and eva in general as well, at least to a lesser extent), 3.33 had one of the most visually appealing cover arts i've ever seen

>>149412364
Kaworu was always shit.

Kaworu has absolutely zero appeal to me and I suspect his popularity is likely yaoi bait.

In the anime he is in like 1 or 2 episodes and any emotional attachment to him seems hard to grasp or ficticious. In the manga there is a bit more to him but it pales in comparison to the other characters.

In the rebuild movies this drops down to zero.

Also

Yui > Misato > Manga Rei > Asuka > Rei

>>149415503
He's the nicest person to Shinji in both the anime and the movie
Remember how Shinji was scared of giant Rei but not scared of giant Kaworu?

>>149412126
It tried too hard to be deep and symbolic, but the thing that made the original series deep was the character interaction and the forethought put into it. However, since 3.0 has very little character interaction, all the depth becomes nothing more than "how can we spend 2 hours trying to force Shinji to suffer while we use vague terminology and throw new concepts on the board without explanation". I didn't like 2.0 because I felt it was a shallow action film, but man 3.0 is just nonsense. It suffers from the same faults as say Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions.

>>149415573
What's wrong with the matrix sequels?
Final Neo vs Smith fight was amazing
The Path of Neo was even better regards to the ending

>>149415558
That was a nice touch but would be a lot better if Kaworu was didn't appear just at the end.

>>149415619
The beauty of the Matrix was not just in the fight sequences, but in how the Matrix itself was symbolic for 80s/90s Western culture, especially those out in he workforce (cf Fight Club). Once the characters lose that connection (the Agents/Matrix = the Man/Government) and are exchanged for a sophomoric understanding of Foucault, Derrida, and Post-Structuralistic philosophy, what you get are 2 vapid films that lose the depth and connection the first one had. Same issue Evangelion 3.0 (and the Rebuilds in general) have. It devolves into nothing but flashy eye candy with empty dialogue meant to sound smarter than it is.

Also, the Neo vs Smith fight was shitty Dragon Ball Z tier fighting, equatable to the non-sense that of Zod v Supes.

>>149415939
And?
Reloaded and Revolutions don't lose that
They're still about fighting against the system
And the fight was really cool, the atmosphere, the coreography, the intensity, it was awesome
Supes vs Zod was crap like the whole movie

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>>149412126
massive overuse of CGI, half the time you can barely tell what's happening because everything has the same overproduced shiny veneer of shit to it

horrible pacing

Shinji becomes the only character

rife with plot holes

In short, Evangelion celebrated humanity. The Rebuilds however celebrate Evangelion. Anno a shit.

As a standalone movie I think 3.33 is great but in relation to the rebuilds and NGE in general its just a bit of a confusing mess

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>>149412941
>Which begs the question W=why'd they even need two entry plugs for unit 13 in the first place? What's the benefit of having two people synch up to an evangelion at the same time? I can't imagine it'd make it easier to control. Don't think we'll be getting an answer for this in the next movie since unit 13 is completely trashed now. I doubt it'll be relevant again.
>>149412842
>Unit 13 uses a double entry plug. Shinji shouldn't have been able to even do anything without Kaworu assisting him, then again Anno decided to give us fuck all exposition for double entry plugs.
>>149412983
>>Cant even use an entire film to explain why it's important for Unit 13 to use a double entry plug in the first place
it's literally all explained

>all these faggots who didn't pay attention and still complain

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>>149415558

>>149417004
This
All criticism of 3.33 can be boiled down to people being stupid and not understanding things that are literally spelled out for you

>>149412214
Didn't Gendo have like 3 lines in the whole movie? How has he won exactly?

>>149417081
>hurr durr people are too stupid to understand

Fuck off, pretentious shit.

>>149417778
It was literally said by Kaworu, it's not deep, it's normal dialog
>>149417706
One of those lines was about him getting his expected result

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>>149412126
I disliked 3.3 because of how uncomfortable and lost it made me feel.

Which I imagine was intentional, Anno wanted us to experience the world from Shinji's perspective, be as bewildered as he was. Pretty genius if you ask me.

I did hate the CGI though. It felt extremely manipulative, like they took the excuse of artistic license to be lazy, with shit like the floor being made out of literal cubes that breaks apart when it's destroyed.

>>149417857
I don't care what Kaworu said or did. This is about you being an elitist prick, you shitstain.

>>149418040
If it's considered elitist to think people should have elementary school level reading comprehension then yes, I'm an elitist

>>149412612
He put the collar on as insurance he wouldn't trigger fourth impact. I thought that was pretty obvious.

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>>149412126
They didn't do a piano cello duet.
Fucking wasted opportunity, I hate Anno.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOyOhmHPZ0Va17K6fMV8rRA23dB8BIyje

>>149412842
That's how Kaoru thought it worked, why would that be the one instance his information was good? He was as surprised as you that he was overpowered and used as an Angel sink.

>>149419366
That was more to do with the fact there were 2 Lances of Longinus. There's no reason to think the Eva unit can't be primarily controlled by 1 person.

>>149418040
>https://boards.4chan.org/r/eddit

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>>149412126
Gay pianos 3bh

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>>149423413
Shinji is a fucking faggot, blushing at my husbando like that

>>149412126
It's a storytelling mess. It doesn't work as a sequel and it doesn't work as a stand alone either.

This is the product of a man doing nothing but touching himself with no one around to stop him.

The first 15 minutes are actually pretty cool, then it simply devolves into nonsensical technobabble and everyone acting retarded for the sake of idiotic drama.

>>149412126
What went wrong?
Its very existence is wrong.
Is there something Anno didn't like about the original series? Did he not like how it ended?

>>149412126
Didn't answer any questions, only brought up new ones, Kaworu is still barely a character and the conflict was weak. Really felt like they scrapped a previous plot when nothing from the first preview was relevant. Clearly we had a story to go through before flipping 14 years to the future.

>>149415503
When Rebuild was announced I figured they would expand on his character and make him more than the gay alien who dies since he was popular but that ended up being all he was yet again. I don't think making him his own character who has a backstory/development would have harmed his popularity. Or maybe I'm wrong and the fanbase likes the shallowness.

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>>149412126
It's a JoJo reference

>>149423958
>Did he not like how it ended?
Just the opposite, he really really liked how Evangelion printed him money.

>>149414126
wunder was a complete ripoff of the ship from Nadia. yeah, I know Anno made that show too, but still, recycling old ideas like a hack.

>>149424474
They took away all the main characters' backstories in Rebuild beginning with the first one, there was no chance Kaworu was going to get one

>>149426214
He recycled ideas in Eva too

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>>149426274
The giant below is Adam, the first Human created by the Atlanteans.

>>149417080
He really cared for Ayanami and flipped out / broke after seeing her having turned into a giant abomination (likely thinking this is partly his fault).

After seeing Kaworu he accepted him - as this gave him peace-of-mind. Killing a person (even though knowing him for a couple of days/weeks) by crushing him in "your" hand must have been really, really traumatizing for a 14 year old.

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>>149414126
>Wunder is an awesome and crazy concept,
The bridge is just the Nautilus's bridge upside down.(nadia)

It even has the "Captains chair" as an elevator as well.

Also see this, go to 2:36 in particular for Red Noah
https://youtu.be/HVCUgocb3xc

>>149426214
It's a throwback. Nothing wrong with that.

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>>149427690
If he really cared for Ayanami, why did he abandon and ignore her after seeing her clones in the tank?
Why did he say he was scared of her and run away at the point where she needed him most?
When he learned the truth about Rei, he threw her away.
When he learned the truth about Kaworu, he still loved him.

Shinji is a sexist pig.

>>149417004
I just realized some similarities between EoE and 3.33.

3.33
- The EVA used is a clone of ADAM.
- Inside it is ADAMs soul (Kaworu)
- Inside it is also Shinji
- Could shinji have part of EVA-01 inside him (I get a vibe he is not considered to be fully human)
- Angel/EVA soul (hibernating angel that woke up)
-> These five get combined to achieve final stage of "fourth" impact

End of Evangelion
- Original LILITH
- LILITH absorbs Rei (LILITHs soul)
- Clone of LILITH (EVA-01)
- Human soul (Shinji)
- Angel/EVA soul (Yui)
-> These five get combined to achieve final stage of third impact

>>149414126
Go to the 19 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/7he_vPuVBK0?t=19m

>>149427319
Watching 3.0 really made me want to drop it on the spot and go rewatch Nadia minus the island/Africa arcs.

>>149428002
3.33 was obviously supposed to be the Rebuild counterpart to EoE
Anno himself said that the 4th rebuild would have all new content so 3.33 was obviously gonna be the last few episodes after Zeruel, and EoE

>>149428686
>rewatch Nadia minus the island/Africa arcs.
Its called Nadia:The Nautilus Story

Anno cut out about 8 1/2 episodes of the Island/africa arc. the whole thing is about 6 hours in total.

>>149428786
Skipping the island/Africa episodes isn't hard. It's actually pretty fucking easy.

>>149428190
Just because it's a homage to his older work doesn't devalue it

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I see people complain about the visuals a lot, especially with the use of CGI, and I don't really understand it.

It felt much more visually accomplished to me than the previous two movies. 1 and 2 looked like slightly higher budget TV productions, while 3 actually looked like a movie.

For sure, I think the scene with launch of the Wunder was pretty bad, the camera just surveying this giant CGI thing doing nothing much for five minutes. It's like it took ages to model so they wanted to get as much screentime as they could out of it, also it's a pretty fucking whacky concept.

But besides that and the opening scene with Unit 02 in space, there wasn't that much CGI. After that, the EVA units were always had drawn. Consider how much CGI EVAs there were in the second movie...

Also just generally it had crisper lines, more vivid colours, and tighter drawings. It even had Toshiyuki Inoue and Hiroyuki Okiura animating on it. Besides the Wunder scene, I don't see what there is to complain about.

Let's just hope that CGI fight in the preview is a joke.

>>149428002
>>149428718
I'd also throw in it episodes 23 and 24, with the reveal that rei is a clone and kaworu that dies losing the head for shinji's sake,

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>>149428939
>Just because it's a homage to his older work doesn't devalue it


It's less than an homage, and more of a shameless rip off
https://youtu.be/zZ6wAbrxS2U

It is all its own but it just seems sleazy.


Other parts like the ocean scenes in Nadia; used in EOE are homages, the wunder sequence is something else entirely not homage

I don't get the complaint about CGI in anime at all
As long as it looks good and the framerate is high enough I don't see a problem with it
The wunder scene was pretty awesome and the sweeping camera was nice

>>149429153
It's not a ripoff if your own thing

>>149429193
For >>149428967

>>149429237
No, it's just outright laziness.

It's pretty odd how often he reuses music, like his use of Nadia themes in EVA and his use of that one EVA track over and over in Shin Godzilla. That's especially bad because that particular track is definitely a rip off of a James Bond theme.

It's like he doesn't want people to think of his works as distinct franchises.

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>>149429237
>It's not a ripoff if your own thing
>https://youtu.be/zZ6wAbrxS2U
Uh, that's space battleship Yamato.

Anno has no relation to that show, other than being an ultra fan of it.

>>149429428
That's not him, that's Shiro Sagisu

>>149429237
>I'm only pretending to be retarded

>>149428967
being bigger, louder and more action-y doesn't make it better. from a technical perspective the rebuilds are amazing, but they are empty shells with no emotion or restraint to them, they're too shiny and lack grit and realism, not just artwise, but movementwise as well, they focus too much on having cool fights, designs and landscapes, and not enough on grounding things and getting into the characters, so a lot of it seems pointless and masturbatory, especially 3.33. hell, in 3.33, a lot of the time shots are so cluttered and overdesigned that I have trouble figuring out what I'm looking at, even in EoE I never had that problem, whatever you think of that film, at least it had clear direction and communicated emotion. the rebuilds are like star wars prequels at their worst. (well, except 1.11, it was OK, not as good as the show, but competent)

>>149429569
>creators aren't allowed to be influenced by stuff they like

>>149429700
Everyone on this site is retarded.

>>149429193
The CG in Rebuild looks like ass 90% of the time.

Rendering makes up for 75-95% of 3D magic, Rebuild rendering is not even animator student level.

>>149429428
>thinking Anno has control over the soundtrack
Nigga, u dumb.

>>149429237
you missed the point. he's not a thief or doing something illegal or anything. he's just being lazy and unimaginative.

>>149429569
He was probably still referring to the Wunder and Nadia. You've got a point with Yamato but lumping that in with the former is weird. And even then they're all homages all the same.

Is this you attempting to "expose" Anno or something? Its not news.

>>149414126
You sound like the kind of people who are still supporting the Final Fantasy franchise after XIII.

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>>149429785
It looks good

>>149429875
I loved FFXIII, the hate is just bandwagoning and memes

>>149429888
There's no effort put into rendering whatsoever. They used basic shaders, put a directional light and then called it a day.

>>149414126

How can one man have such a shit taste jesus

>>149429779

Anon here >>149429950 is particularly retarded.

https://youtu.be/2w-49TM6ilE
https://youtu.be/kJwRJpvcvY4

&

https://youtu.be/Q3UJOhxdv9Q
https://youtu.be/rihefxVy_vA


The only EVA related ost in rebuilds thats "revamped"

is background music 2 for wrath of God. Points given for using the Asuka music for an Asuka fight.

https://youtu.be/wMp1vRBSVaE
https://youtu.be/xNTxMrL1BDk

>>149430037

>>149429950

>>149429968
Just because there's no effort doesn't make it bad
Technology progresses and makes work easier

>>149430037
>>149430041
>>149430081
Not an argument

>>149430069
Light of Babel for life. Using those tracks really made 3.0 an even more painful experience as it was competing with the much superior Nadia.

>>149429860
>Is this you attempting to "expose" Anno or something? Its not news.

Not exposing anything, It;s just that any material used from Nadia in NGE were done as asset flips; due to the sparce budget.

The Rebuild films recreating scenes from Nadia, not just some minor visual references >>149427379 , but fully animated sequences, with the amount of money that they have this time around, it's either cheap, or just lazy work.

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>>149429708
>being bigger, louder and more action-y doesn't make it better.
See, complaints about the amount of action don't make sense to me either. The second movie had far more action than the third. In the third, there was action at the beginning, action at the end, and fuck all happening in the middle. The second movie was action scene to action scene.

And also, and I'm not defending the third movie here, I don't think it was very good, but
>they focus too much on having cool fights, designs and landscapes, and not enough on grounding things and getting into the characters, so a lot of it seems pointless and masturbatory, especially 3.33. hell, in 3.33, a lot of the time shots are so cluttered and overdesigned that I have trouble figuring out what I'm looking at
I think that was pretty much their intention. Nothing makes sense in the movie and that's how it all feels to Shinji. It's pretty dumb that all the characters became uncommunicative retards in order to achieve this, but all the technology and all the weird shit in the landscapes is supposed to be befuddling. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't actually any sound thought process behind how all those things came to be.

Also I don't buy that you never had a problem understanding what you were looking at in EoE. We've had nearly two decades of analysis and discussion about it, we have a pretty clear understanding of what's going on, but when I first watched it I was pretty confused by it as I'm sure most people were. At least in the end it was able to be deciphered, and a consensus has been reached. I honestly doubt that'll ever happen with 3.0, try as we might.

>>149430218
>I'm gonna praise all the superficial aspects of the movie and memes while ignoring the disaster that makes up the core
That's how you spot idiots. You'd eat dog shit if painted in rainbow colors.

>>149429708
>from a technical perspective the rebuilds are amazing
Not for 3D and while having some nice 2D moments, it certainly isn't going to make history.

>>149430372
>In the third, there was action at the beginning, action at the end, and fuck all happening in the middle. The second movie was action scene to action scene
The whole middle of the movie is a MASSIVE contrast with the beginning and end, full of very long stills and very little narrative value. I swear Anno was saving budget so hard there he almost sent the audience into coma.

>>149430439
>shit eating metaphor
Memes again

>>149430372
>I think that was pretty much their intention. Nothing makes sense in the movie and that's how it all feels to Shinji

3.0 is like watching King Gainer first couple of episodes, the difference being that this took only 40 minutes of a planned story that would get more material on a weekly basis. Tomino throw things around and then let you catch up by slowly exploring the universe. 3.0 is just Anno vomitting nonsensical technobabble exposition for the sake of cool.

>>149430218

The Rebuild movies have taken a dump on what Eva is all about in favour of flashiness.

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Anima isn't even safe.

>>149431513
>>149431559
Do you have to repost this every Eva thread? The congruence between the two in some areas is old news anon.

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>>149431826

>>149431814
Is this from Anima?

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>characters are extremely shallow
>only kaworu and shinji get any form of development
>every other character gets barely any screen time
>a bunch of stupid plot points are introduced but don't make any sense (i.e all pilots being 14 forever)
>lacks any form of nuance or subtlety that was found in the original (pic related)

Anno can't tell what the fuck he wants to do with this series

>1.0 is essentially a shot for shot remake of the first 6 episodes of nge with very subtle changes and a few extra scenes
>2.0 tries to be different but doesn't want to be too different so you get stupid changes like asuka being the pilot for eva unit 3 and that ending
>3,0 is just a clusterfuck where he decides to change everything not caring if it works or not
>4.0 (or whatever it's called now) is probably either going to be a bastardization of eoe or nothing but giant mech fights in space

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>>149432014
yes

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>>149432014
damnit...
>Is this from Anima?
yes, among other things.

>>149417004
Kaworu was doing jack shit, moping like a bitch and Shinji was able to get the spears out himself.Two souls my ass

>>149412126
Literally nothing.

>>149434642
yep

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>>149430620
>tfw I don't know ho to cut fish in 3 pieces too

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>>149430620
>>149434722

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>>149433812
Rei with tits makes me hard

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>>149434797

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>>149434881
In Anima, they have more than just one.

>>149434967
Where can I find this translated?

>>149435251
You can't.

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>>149435251
Evageeks translated some of the pages, but stopped when face with a possible law suit.

>Rei with tits makes me hard

In Anima, everyone has a case of thermal expansion.(also Asuka on the moon)

>>149427319
Do you understand that shot has been remade countless times?

>>149435730
Name another example,

they even got Ritsuko in the same pose of Electra

>>149434967
One of these is Rei 2 part 2. The other wants to makeout while stabbing. Choose wisely.

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>>149435962
this one?

>>149435864
>same pose
>sitting = standing
>eyes closed = eyes open
What?

>>149433671
>>149433812
This is worse than I thought.

>>149435962
Which one wanted to hatefuck Shinji and almost killed him via stabbing?

>>149412126
nothing. its the best of the three

>>149434401
I guess during the filming, Anno realized Shinji dindu nuffin for real and he couldn't allow it because Anno has a hateboner for Shinji

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>>149430069
Nadia was one hell of a ride.

>>149412126
>misato, one of the most lively characters gets turned into a cold hearted emotionless bitch
>no angels in the entire movie
>eva 02 turns into a fucking cat
>mari

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>>149438436
>no angels in the entire movie

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>>149435629
This really sucks, with all the stuff that got scanlations and the like I expected something from such a popular franchise the same

I'm not really keen to learn moonrunes for a couple of mangas and LNs

>>149438796
If you want translations, go here.

http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/7424/Evangelion-ANIMA-general/

>>149438436
Kaworu is an angel and he's on the poster of the movie and the co-protag, also the angel in the opening see >>149438749, and Eva 6 that turns into an angel after Shinji pulls out the spears
Did you idiots even watch the movie, or even look at the poster before spewing such horseshit?

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>>149438749
This isn't a proper angel, it's a shitty last minute device ex machina.

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>>149439697
> This isn't a proper angel, it's a shitty last minute device ex machina.

>>149440967
This thing had some personality, it wasn't just "the whole thing is a core, oh it's already gone and we didn't have to do anything, watch out for the third impact I guess".

3.0 "angels" are a perfect summary of the movie as a whole.

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>>149439014
>co-protag
Deuteragonist. Less of one than Misato had been in everything but spinoffs before 3.0.

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>>149441912

I really wonder if there is a way the 4th film will make the tretralogy feel cohesive anyway

>>149442583
Time loops or something like that. Maybe that's why is called 3.0+1.0 or :||.

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>>149412126

Shit movie from a hack director that couldn't even properly neck himself.

>>149412748

Only people that unironically hate 2.22 are Asuka fags. The movie was objectively good and did much better than 3.33.

>>149443875
Time fuckery would probably make things worse and woul feel asspull-y given that is completely different from the powerset of EVAs and Angels in general.

Probably I'm too much bothered by the hole between the end of 2.0 and the beginning of 3.0. I think that there is an interesting story untold there and maybe now we're too much ahead to afford to go back a tell that part.

>>149446190
>I wish that I could turn back time
>Cause now the guilt is all mine
>you can't forget the past
>you can't forget love and pride

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>>149412126
>EVA franchise

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EVA was always a shit for faggots and children between one and two years old with severe mental problems

>>149446190
There's already the same time fucking as was in NGE; exclusively for Rei with no demonstrated physical presence or ability to alter events.

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Did Rebuild just follow the trend of Series being made into movies?

If that logic follows, todays trend is for older series having reboots, will Eva have another reboot/time loop/ulternate universe?

Is it inevitable?

Something like Anima, not much else material to work with.

>>149446190

Time bullshit might actually happen, given the evidence at hand. Notice how the faggot constantly mentions "I'll make you happy this time", or "I'll do it right this time". I swear Anno better not pull some asspull like Gendo just being Shinji from a previous timeline, which is why he's so cold, bitter, and absurdly obsessed with bringing Ayanami back.

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>>149447325
>which is why he's so cold, bitter, and absurdly obsessed with bringing Ayanami back.

>>149448076

Going by this logic, Gendo hates Shinji because it's a constant reminder of how weak he was in previous timelines, and now he has the ultimate resolve to do anything, even if it costs him his soul. Notice how both Gendo and Shinji are set on bringing Ayanami back no matter the cost (they've both even said so themselves).

At the very least, I can promise you 4.0 will have Gendo and Shinji form some shaky alliance because they both don't give a fuck about the world, and they both want Ayanami back.

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>4.0 comes out
>whole thing is a slice of life evangelion school days story
>Shinji picks both girls at the end
>no mention of any other bullshit at all

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>>149448076
Pays off the association of the SDAT with Gendo, too.

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>>149448463

>it's another time skip like 2.22 to 3.33
>Shinji is just perfectly fine and in school with Rei and Asuka again
>absolutely no mention of Angels or EVA
>everything is great, and Shinji even gets to have romance with both of them
>Misato is there as some teacher
>Gendo is actually proud of Shinji
>Shinji wakes up at the end of the movie
>it was just a dream, and he's now at the Wunder again, just a few hours from where 3.33 left off
>TO BE CONTINUED

Seriously, what's stopping Anno from just declaring in non-canon and trying again?

It'd give him an excuse to make a whole other movie to milk, if nothing else.

>>149446996
>There's already the same time fucking as was in NGE
Last time I watched the series and all the movies was 3 months ago so I can recall almost everything from memory yet I can't remember anything like that

>>149447325
>>149448076
>>149448230
I believe that is kinda excessive to resort to such theories when already the original series shows that they are not that different simply because they're father and son

>>149446124
hey even though I really liked asuka, I really did not care that the whole movie was for developing rei, for I thought that it would make rei 2's death all the more tragic when it came.

but given that all of that was thrown out the window, one can only wonder what was the point of 2.22 if not to appease reifags?

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>>149449018
There's been a Rei ghost in every movie.

>>149449264

>implying that's not Yui

>>149446124
>>149449191
Lol, to think that just fwe months ago there was some anon (anons?) that vehmently argued that Anno made Rebuild in order to assassinate Rei's character in favor of Asuka

I agree that they ruined Asuka by turning her from a terrible yet interesting person into a stereotypical tsundere

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>>149449929
We lost this.

>>149450249

Shinji took the role of "I hate myself" in the Rebuilds. Asuka's new role is to be a tsundere that will (hopefully) save Shinji from being a hollow shell. Meanwhile Mari will continue to do bumfuck nothing and make us wonder why she even exists:

>supposedly has a high affinity for piloting EVA's
>knows all the tricks and secrets of them, such as activating beast mode
>she's easily 60+ years old now, as she was a friend of Yui and is seen in the picture from 3.33
>apparently knows a LOT about SEELE, yet hasn't even said a word yet

>>149428967
I like CGI when it looks good. In the rebuilds, it didn't look good. The limbs were too stiff, everything just looked stiff. The animation from the original show was better. Japs need to learn how to make CGI not look like stiff blocks.

>>149450463
misato will have a nemo sacrifice?

>>149435629
doesn't even make sense, she is in lcl which is fucking liquid.

>>149450561

She'll continue to be a bitter cunt for whatever unknown reason. If anything, she's to blame for the third impact. She cheered Shinji on and told him to do exactly what she seems to hate him for. She's up there on the list of "characters that need to be bitch slapped" along with Gendo.

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>>149429193
>The wunder scene was pretty awesome
Do people really think this? Jesus.

>>149451148

>tfw could have had all the EVA scenes, Wunder, etc in a nicely done animated fashion
>instead they cheaped out and went with fucking CGI

CGI NEVER looks good. Period. It's always choppy, jarring, out of place, and so on. I can promise you any serious would instantly look better if animation replaced the CGI and no quality drops into QUALITY territory occurred.

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>>149447325
Kaworu just means he's been 'reincarnated'. The rebuilds scream that this all happens over and over again with everyone's souls coming back and redoing things slightly different. It's a direct continuation of Evangelion with the blood on the moon, the giant Rei head, the red ocean, etc...So Kaworu means he failed last time and won't this time. Of course he does anyway, I guess he won't get to marry Shinji at least until Rebuild 2: Nerv Boogaloo.

This is why the movie is called what it's called.

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>>149438749
Which was just a recycled slightly altered CGI version of the other angel seen in the first 10 minutes. I guess Anno really liked that effect.

>>149451260
It's not just that it was CGI, it's that it was this huge 10 minute long segment of CGI showing off something that no-one gives a shit about, where you can't even tell what the fuck you're looking at. It was an impressively terrible sequence.

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>>149451637

That's not an Angel. That thing and the other things attacking the Wunder were NERV bots (EVA Mk 04). They were goofy EVA-things that Gendo/SEELE made to retrieve 01.

>>149412126
Mari didn't die

I've not watched the rebuilds, are they as gay as everyone says?

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>>149451789
Fair enough, if you want to make that distinction. They're extremely similar to Angels to though, employing an AT field, having a pattern blue blood type, attacking with light and so forth. Plus you know Nerv/Seele made them out of angel/eva parts anyway. The point remains they rehashed the animation.

>>149451789
Not that one, Eva Mark.04B was built into 01's box, it was already there when 01 was sent to space.

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>>149451928
Mari is literally immortal, don't get your hopes up.

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>>149452095

Those weren't Angels either. No angels appear in 3.33 at all, save for Angel 1 (faggot) and Angel 12 (the flying fiber optics cable thing in Central Dogma which was inside EVA 06).

>>149451929
2 is pretty alright. I'd watch them anyway to prepare 4.0 so you can enjoy and join the shitstorm on /a/.

>>149451508
My headcanon is that the evangelion manga takes place after rebuild. Waiting for 4.44 to either prove or disprove this.

>>149412126
4.0 never got release

>>149452205
No, I mean it wasn't sent to retrieve Eva 01, if any of them had ever been meant to.

>>149452463

Anno confirmed he's working on it now. Godzilla kept him from committing suicide or something of the sort. Also, Godzilla is basically EVA with a rubber monster that has a good ending. The music, scenes, and so on are basically identical. You even have the same "pan around a city and look at random buildings/objects while listening to jazzy music".

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>>149452463
>>149452444
>>149452370
>Anno literally chose to work on that abomination of a Godzilla film instead of Eva
>implying Anno will ever finish 4.0
I'm strangely grateful for it, that's the last and best gift he can give us at this point. Nothing at all.

>>149452533
Nice to heat that, I thought they scrap it and completely forgot about it.

>>149452444
That actually makes a lot more sense than those saying the rebuilds take place after

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>>149412126
Shit on everything that 2.22 built up.
>1.11 is a good movie
>2.22 is a great movie
>3.33 is a steaming pile of dogshit
Sasuga Anno.

>>149452756
How does it make any sense? With the state of the world in 3.0, it requires even more bullshit to justify than going from EoE to Rebuild, which is already filled with holes.

>>149452602
Anon I would prefer he finishes what he started. I hate to be left in a cliffhanger like 3.33

>>149452821
That's why it has to be the manga in particular, all life on Earth did start over from Impact there and it's an excuse not to make sense since Shinji still occurs in the absence of Yui and Gendo and still has Misato's pendant.

>>149453100
That sentence doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to say Rebuild ties into the Manga, and then NGE? Because that's flat out retarded and wrong.

>>149452821
Because it frees up the history of the world before the rebuilds to be anything. While if the rebuilds take place after Evangelion there are numerous plot holes that make such nonsensical, most importantly Eva unit 01 being in space with Shinji's mothers' soul trapped in it. It doesn't die, it cannot reincarnate, therefore there can't be another Eva 01 and without his mother's soul Shinji can't be an Eva pilot, etc..

>>149453206
Yeah, except for the whole world being turned red and uninhabitable with huge changes to the surface of the planet and the moon falling into its atmosphere, gaining a new coat of paint.

It doesn't free up anything unless you're going to give me some bullshit about thinking Shinji will become a God within Instrumentality, which is just as retarded of an excuse to link NGE to Rebuild as it is the other way around.

>>149453294
>Yeah, except for the whole world being turned red and uninhabitable with huge changes to the surface of the planet and the moon falling into its atmosphere, gaining a new coat of paint.
That would be because of whatever Evangelion like sequence of events that preceded it in the reincarnation style. Anno just teased us dropping hints that made it seem like these after effects of NGE persisted, when in reality it's later in the reincarnation cycle, Rebuild will fix the world for NGE, which will then fuck it up.

That's my theory anyway, I see no holes in it.

>>149453557
Even if you get a world reset, it has to reset somewhere. Rebuild starts with the sea red, a bloodstain on the moon, different geography and different levels of technology present in the world along with new bases and different numbers of Angels. That doesn't connect to NGE at all unless you just change things willy nilly to fit your half-assed theory.

>>149453658
>reading comprehension

>>149453823
Okay, so you're just betting on Rebuild magically changing the state of the world where it's at in 3.0 to be how NGE starts. That's pretty fucking dumb.

>>149453935
It's literally Kaworu's plan in 3.0. Effectively Anno saying it's possible.

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ITT :

-Retards thinking referencing older works with similar shots is "lazy" and "ripping off", even though the scenes are created from scratch and some of those older scenes are from series by the same director.

-Idiots claiming the CGI was shit even though it's probably the best looking of all the rebuilds.

-Faggots whining about the plot focusing on the main character.

-Baka dumdumbs not noticing the audience is as uninformed and disoriented as the main character to help us empathize with him.

-Literal vegetables falling back and just yelling all the Rebuilds are shit because they're starting to realize to their horror that 3.33 isn't actually that bad.

Never stop disappointing /a/.

>>149454190
No, it's not. Kaworu's plan is simply to retrieve the spears and make earth habitable for Earth again; it isn't a means to turn back time. The movie is called You can (not) Redo for a reason.

And then, even if it could turn back time, that just flows back to the point I made >>149453658
Unless you're just going to change things willy nilly to fit your half-assed theory, things reset back to the start of Rebuild again at best, which doesn't connect to NGE.

>>149454319
Make the earth habitable for humans again*

>>149454319
And if the way to make the Earth habitable again is to reset everything to the state of 1st impact in NGE? It makes sense, if you have one ounce of critical thinking.

>>149454319
If an Impact can even do that and if he even meant it, because he's still unreliable if not unreliable and lying.

>>149454507
If you are resetting the timeline, you are not changing it to a different one, anon. That would lead to the same world that we have in Rebuild. Not to mention going back to 1st Impact puts you back billions of years.

At this point you're assuming that you can turn back time with a method that we know nothing about, that we had absolutely no guarantees would actually fix anything or do anything with time, goes against the entire point of the movie itself, and explicitly fails. Your theory relies on them just going against that in the next movie, resetting everything, taking away the one reason for 3.0 to exist and making it objectively a waste of everyone's time instead of merely leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

The more you talk, the more holes your theory reveals.

>>149454730
If an impact can make the world uninhabitable for humans, I don't see why, under different circumstances, it can't make it habitable again. Kaworu never promises that Shinji can return back in time, though. He promises to repair the world at best.

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>>149454297
All of this points are valid and truth

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>>149454757
You're misrepresenting what's being said.

I'm not suggesting time is turned back at all, you just keep repeating that so you can claim it goes against the film's title.

And we can infer a lot about what the method would involve. My guess is the souls of everyone who died during near third impact are housed in the failures of infinity, so that's that covered. Reverting the world to LCL and collecting all the souls and then restarting life from there seems reasonable, something like that anyway.

And as Kaworu explicitly states here
>>149451508
Reincarnation followed by slight changes is progress, not "turning back time lol did you even read the title", but have it your way, I'm not out to convince you, especially since you don't actually address what's said.

>>149455266
And that still leaves the world as a mess with huge geological differences from NGE. Not to mention, Kaworu never says anything to suggest they would be recovering lost souls. All he talks about is repairing the world, not reversing Shinji's actions.

If time reverts, it's bunk.
If time continues, there are too many things that would need to be changed solely to fit your theory for it to hold any water.

And that screencap is not about reincarnation in the slightest. It starts out with "Even if your soul disappears" for christ sake; that means you're gone and dead for good. The things you do and the reputation you leave behind are what never fade.

>>149455553
>And that screencap is not about reincarnation in the slightest
>the third again
you're wrong

>>149455640
And where in that screencap does Kaworu say "The third again"?

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>>149455667
I'm not going to spoonfeed you, you're wrong, and you clearly didn't pay attention when you watched it. That's all too clear.

>>149455773
I was talking about the screencap, not what Kaworu has said in previous movies you dumb cunt. If that's the only argument you can come up with, then I can only assume you must agree with what I said >>149455553

>>149455811
lmao, unless it's literally spelled out for you, you can't understand? You can't connect the context of one scene and another? What a boring conversation.

>>149455877
You talked about Kaworu explicitly stating something which he did not state, pointed to a screencap of him saying something completely different from what you said, and now you're fumbling around like a retard because you can't argue for your half-assed theory anymore. Fucking pathetic.

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>>149454297
>>149455139
I love a bit of smug.

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>>149430163
>Just because there's no effort doesn't make it bad

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This bitch single-handedly ruined Evangelion beyond redemption.

This is the point Anno caved to the waifufags.

>>149456066
I'm pretty sure Anno caved to the waifufags in the original series

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>why isn't eva exactly the same whiners

I'm happy they did something new. Evangelion is there forever, it's not changing. Too many remakes rehash bullshit we already knew, and it was nice this one didn't. We don't need to see Asuka's childhood again, because as a fanbase, we fucking know what happened. Frees up time for other shit.

And we got to see new stuff in 3.0. And it wasn't even as bad as you freakshows say, but even if it was, at least they tried to give us new entertainment and not a direct rehash.

>>149435864
Artists and animators use other shows (and sometimes literal scenes) as references for their work to improve production times, anon.

It's literally part of the work process if you're on a strict timetable and budget.

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>>149454297
/thread

>>149456086
How so?

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>>149412477
Maybe if you like Gurren lagann?

>>149457283
The two girls are probably the two most waifu'd characters of anime history.

>>149457075
Kinda disappointed I haven't triggered anyone yet, it looks like people are just agreeing.

>>149457344
https://youtu.be/mBJgZH2jgWU?t=13m

>>149414709
I think that they all look pretty spectacular...
Just the content isn't so great.

I just finished 2.22. It was pretty good. 3.33 is downloading now, so I guess I'm going to be disappointed?

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>>149458343
>reading spoiler threads before watching movies

Certainly.

>>149458442
I didn't read any of the plot material, I just know /a/ says it's shit and I figured it wasn't worth making another Eva thread.

>>149458477
Watch it. It's good enough to watch. It just kind of failed at being an Eva movie.

>>149429888
>that
>good
I really don't understand why they went with this sky-ship idea, it looks retarded and won't even sell more toys than a pseudo-gundam.

>>149458477
>>149458507
anyone who says it isn't eva is an idiot

I seem to remember as early as episode two it wasn't explaining fuck all to you. 4.0 will come out and it will explain everything and you'll fawn over it again like the lemmings you are who can't seem to comprehend that an unfinished series likely won't make sense because you don't have all the information.

>>149458589
Yeah man, episode 2 totally lacked any exposition, and insight into the story whatsoever.

2.0 is the worst rebuild
3.0 is at least pretty to look at a lot of times

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>>149428856
Just got done watching Nadia for the first time, goddamn were those arcs total fucking garbage. Rest of the show was stellar; from the central themes to the music it's easy to see it as a prototype to NGE and an obvious work by Anno. Dub was wonderfully done, and the accents added great flavor to the characters. Would recommend to anyone who enjoyed NGE.

>>149454297
>3.33 isn't actually that bad
You're right, it's not bad, it's fucking horrendous.

>>149458343
If you liked 2.22 you're probably going to hate 3.33, it's on objectively horrible sequel.

>>149458855
>2.0 is the worst rebuild

Impeccable shit taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_HxvojfiUw

>>149459502
It's a horrible movie on its own.

>>149459772
mari may be the dumbest shit but i can't not get hype for berserk modes in anime

>>149459798
Well that's obvious, but as a sequel it's even worse, since it follows up an actually good movie.

You people really didn't learn anything from Evangelion the first time around did you?

>>149459853
Fuck off.

>>149459822
The berserk mode in 2.0 was actually pretty neat and so was the Mari scene even if she sucks as a character.

The cat thing in 3.0 was retarded, as well as all the Adam vessel crap and random anima rip off.

>>149459502
I loved them all
I actually loved it all, NGE, EoE, and all 3 Rebuilds
And I mean really really loved them

>>149458518
It's a giant eva powered flying mecha whale
How can you not like it

>>149460190
I don't see how anyone can possibly enjoy 3.33 in any capacity other than maybe OST and visuals. Watching it made me feel physically ill from disappointment.

>>149460242
It's been posted many times in the thread why
Yes OST, and visuals were marvelous
Alongside that all the "technobabble" people complain about I loved because I love high fantasy and adding a ton of lore and secrets to the world and making it feel radically alien and different was a fantastic touch
Also see >>149454297
And Gendo at the end saying everything went according to plan got me happy as fuck because I love seeing this kind of bullshit

>>149460387
That's all fine and dandy, but it didn't fit as a sequel to 2.22 in the slightest, and the narrative of the movie completely fails to stand up on its own two feet.

>>149460444
Why?
It's set 14 years in the future after another apocalyptic event fucked the Earth

>>149460237
Patently inferior to an actual mecha.

>>149460527
But the apocalyptic event that was about to start at the end of 2.0 was interrupted by Kaworu. The 14 years after the Third Impact is unimportant guerilla and should have ben skipped as it was, but there a huge chunk of the story missing between the end of 2.0 and said Third Impact. Not an actual plot hole as you don't have contradictions, but a huge part of infromation clearly (intentionally?) missing.

Given the size of this hole it's like we skipped an entire movie between 2.0 and 3.0

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>>149461314
I'm glad someone else feels this way.
>anno_troll_level_over_9000.jpg

>>149461314
Of course it's intentional, you're supposed to be in Shinji's place as he's disoriented and confused

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>>149461520
>It's terrible on purpose!

>>149461518
I wanted to see the Gendo hiking expedition
>Gendo is there another blanket?
>in the dead sea scrolls it was foretold of only one blanket, for me, however SEELE did not forsee our preparation and I managed to bring one, for you
>t-thanks Gendo
>thank Yui, this is all because of her

>>149461553
But it's not terribile

>>149461518
>tfw will never know what happened to Kaiji
>how Misato and Ritsu broke out of prison cut their hair and became turbo-dyke-bitches
>we will never see Gendo and Fuyutsuki mountain adventures
;_;

I really didn't understand what was happening more so than the original anime/movie.

What was the kid angel doing here? Was he manipulating Shinji?

>>149434722
this is because you spend your life with memes
suicide is the way

>>149462000
I do actually know how to cook, it's just that I hate every fish except tuna so I don't know ho to cook fish, unlike meat and pasta

I was amused that the retard answer on how to cut fish was the same as mine

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>>149462000
fag type detected

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>>149461520
>>149461553
>>149461670
I'ts more like it's frustrating on purpose, whic could be brilliant but makes me fucking angry anyway

>>149461518
>>149461644
>>149461738
Yeah all of that could have been a cool story. Hat it happened before what 3.0 is i probably would fell a lot much better about that last movie

What's even up with the preview footage at the end of 2.22? Confirmed scrapped/deleted? or can we presume it will be in 3.00+1.00?

>>149463865
It's rather clear that the prevew footage happened between 2.0 and 3.0 but won't get my hopes up with it being expanded upon

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>>149459772
>not posting this
https://youtu.be/sSVqvGP4asg

That scene will live on in my memory, it was an absolutely perfect modern idyll.

>>149463865
Anno did the same thing as he did while working one the original show, that being changing his mind at the last second about what to put into the show.

>>149464788
I felt ashamed upong rewatching the movie a couple of weeks ago that I completely forgot about this scene despite it being very comfy and pretty much the only depictions of Tokyo-3 peaceful days.

It's also followed by a the good chunk of boring nothing which makes it stand out a bit.

>>149461644
kek

I believe putting the Rebuild and the original series in a sole continuity is a futile attempt

It's mostly a sequel because you are expected to have already watched NGE in order to be played on expectations of the events

that or it's just bad writing.

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>>149461518
At the side it seems to say:
Kaworu plus Rei (black) x 4 (3 of them are 6-10 years old)
Background is gradiated
水面はセル means extra animation cel should be used to depict the water surface (not some CG for example).

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>>149467974
>Kaworu plus Rei (black) x 4 (3 of them are 6-10 years old)

>>149467974
fucking 4.4 WHEN

rEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>149458855
No, no no no no

1.0 = 2.0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0

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Fucking great film if you completely disregard it from being anywhere near as good as the original series. Literally Mr. Anno's Wild Ride.

The OST is fantastic too.

>>149461518
Why are Gendo and Fujo sherpas all of a sudden

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>the stuff that happens in the preview at the end of 2.22 is way more interesting than the whole of Q

>>149468062
Hopefully, Never.

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>>149469257
It's happening. Accept it.

>On July 19th, 2016 Anno directly apologized to the fans of Evangelion. He stated "To all the Evangelion fans, I’m really, really keeping you all waiting, I am truly sorry." Anno then went on to say he felt "trapped" while making Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo, saying he couldn't recharge. “Up until then, after doing the third entry Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo, I thought I wasn’t going to make any more,” After being offered the job to work on Godzilla Resurgence, he stated “At that time, I went into talks with Toho, and it saved me. I think this is how I’m able to keep making Evangelion. However, since it is a fact that I’m making everyone wait, I deeply apologize for that.”

>>149469718
>3.3 was 4 years ago
>Godzilla was this year
>Anno is only just now beginning work on 4.4
pass me some of those fucking pills

>>149470107
2years minimum for a eva production.

>>149450463
>she's easily 60+ years old now, as she was a friend of Yui and is seen in the picture from 3.33
Mari in the movies has just had a growth spurt which is why none of the Eva 5 gear fits her chest and they don't have a new plugsuit ready for her. That shit in the manga is not canon to the movies.

>apparently knows a LOT about SEELE, yet hasn't even said a word yet
Who is she going to tell? Kaji already knows about them and so does Wille

>>149412126
Asuka lesbian

>>149472317
>Asuka gets buttblasted Shinji rejected her for his fucboitoy Kaworu
>she starts banging Mari as some kind of revenge
I can see it.

>>149471692
>That shit in the manga is not canon to the movies.
It's implied it is with the photograph and her lines that subtly reference having known Gendo and Yui.

>>149469152
feels bad

>>149446230
That would be way too cruel
>characters in an anime can turn back time
>you still can't
>It all keeps tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down

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>>149457432
>just because two characters are waifu-ized means that's what the creator intended
You could not be more wrong, friendo. In fact Anno made End of Eva because he was sick of waifufag otakus not getting what the show is about so the entire film is just a giant middle finger to them and it's amazing.

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>>149476486
>EoE is a middle finger to waifufags
>Asuka is in the spotlight like half of the time
If anything it was a middle finger to reifags

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>>149476567
Then she dies a horrible fucking death just like every other main character.