How do we beat kyoani

>>149377376
Don't try to beat them, strive to be like them.

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>>149377376
>people standing still slightly moving their arms and fingers
>lens flare fools idiots into thinking the animation is amazing

What ambitious animation. Maybe someday kyoani can make something as good as 1994 Disney animations.

>>149377426
>1994
You should mention Disney's work from the 40s and 50s if you really wanted to make a point.

>>149377426
>lens flare
I really wish KyoAni dropped that, it drives me crazy.

>>149377376
Fucking DOF everywhere...

>>149377555
>>149377592
It's more cinematic that way.

>>149377376
What ENB did they use?

>>149377376
>How do we beat adobe after effects overusage?

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>>149377555
In a way it's all about eye candy these days with KyoAni.

>>149377376
>>149377426
This 2bqh, bottom has much better animation.

>>149377702
>bottom has much better animation.
How? There's less nuance in the movements during instrument playing .

>>149377376
All this shows is that Kyoani has a better sense of shot composition. They're going for a more cinematic feel while that other show is just doing a straight anime(think TV) feel. Too many mid shots in the bottom one, too much of a focus on faces rather than more interesting things.

>>149377376
You need to update it with the seven and a half minute performance we just got in the last episode.

>>149377747
https://a.pomf.cat/wvulcn.webm

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If Kyoani actually animated something that's visually interesting or something with more dynamic movements I think that would be great.

Adding lens flare on the most generic moeblobs of all time and having them do mundane ordinary things is still generic moeblobs doing mundane ordinary things no matter how flashy they make it.

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>>149377376
WOW ANON, LENS FLARE AND BLOOM WAT THE FUCK!!!! SO GOOOOOOD
SLIGHTLY MOVING FINGERS AND ARMS WTF!!!!!

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The butthurt in this thread is off the charts. You'd think several Anons hear actually worked for P.A. Works.

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>>149377742
Right, because a trombone tilting up and down is so terribly interesting. Take away the lens flare and the yellow filter and all that's left is static images and zero effort.

>>149377789
>"if someone doesn't like what I like, they're butthurt"

I don't see what this has to do with animation but hey ad hominems are usually used by intelligent people right?

kyoani has been shit for years now

>>149377766
To be fair, watching symphonic musicians play is probably one of the dullest things in existence unless it's something like the first violin during a solo part.

>>149377753
god damn kyoani is masterful

>>149377816
It's a good and pretty detailed depiction of instrument animation in TV anime. Just because animation isn't flashy doesn't mean it isn't worthy of praise. Creating believable subtle motion is something that tends to go under-appreciated by most viewers unfortunately.

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>>149377835
I understand both sides, kyoanifags love the lens flare and the subtle movements. And others don't think it's anything special because nothing interesting or impressive is happening. But is this thread gonna happen everyday? for what purpose. Is OP a falseflagger that wants people to talk shit about kyoani or is actually a fanboy of kyoani. Mysteries

>>149377820
If I were to show that webm to a completely unbiased normalfag who's never watched an anime in their life, do you honestly think there's a believable chance they'd say, "yes, the bottom looks better."?

>>149377899
Subtle motion is good, but then again, in the context of the animation posted, nothing really special. Most slice of life shows tend to have these because they're animating simple things, compared to other flashy over the top anime which have huge movements

>>149377931

Thats just stupid Anon

If I were to show SAO and Evangelion to a completely unbiased normalfag who's never watched an anime in ther life, do you honestly think there's a believable chance they'd say, "yes, Evangelion made more fun, Is better, is ....

>>149377931
Normalfags are easily distracted by flashy lights.

It would be really funny if it had sound and the two were playing at the same time

>>149377931
But I didn't say the bottom looked better. I didn't even say what I thought of either animation yet. I'm just saying the logic of "everyone who disagrees with me is butthurt" is dumb.

>>149377931

Thats like saying, 12 year old kids love the new COD because it is flashy and fast and cool, so it must be good

No matter what he says how is a random normalfag's opinion so important?

>>149377958
Sure it's not some incredible 10/10 sakuga sequence, but it's still a noteworthy sequence for depicting instrument playing well. How many SOL anime put that much effort into instrument detail and performance? Also, the depiction of subtle movements isn't as easy as many of us might think, especially when striving to capture the illusion of life. Many little gestures that we take for granted can be unnatural in animation if not done right and in the end, it's the adding up of the fine details that gives the overall product polish.

>>149377376
I think that both are largely unexceptional and that people should probably pick fights over more interesting things in the first place.

>>149377989

I wouldn't call it dumb, I am just saying that opinions from people that don't know anything about that topic are pretty much worthless

>>149377989
>the logic of "everyone who disagrees with me is butthurt"
How in the world did you get that from my first post?
It had up until now been my only post in the thread.

That would be as if you just told me that my claim that the sky was falling was stupid, and I exclaimed, "Stop calling everything you don't agree with stupid!"

>>149378059
I think you're dumb.

>>149377970
>>149378011
I'm starting to get a better understanding of the people whom I'm arguing with.

>>149378064
I'm just saying "people can't disagree with me or they're butthurt" is very dumb logic. And it's pretty much impossible to determine how much each anon knows about the topic and how much they have to know to have an opinion that counts. Since that standard is yours, and is completely subjective.

>>149378085
Don't even bother. Anti-KyoAnifags are beyond comprehension.

>>149378067
must have mistaken you for >>149377789

>>149378136
That was me.

The point still stands.

>>149378108
Why do you assume people who aren't impressed by that one animation are "Anti-KyoAnifags"? It's possible to not like one thing from a show you like, it's possible to like a studio and still admit something from them isn't impressive.

>>149378067
>>149378147
Because you assume people are butthurt for having opinions, which is pretty dumb since that applies to you too.

Guns, fire, poison & diseases.

Always works.

>>149377376
PURE KINO

>>149378052
I agree, it's good. But people constantly making threads about it asking "how do we beat this" when the actual movement animation isn't really all that impressive causes some people to call out how unimpressive it actually is. I wonder if this thread is gonna be a constant thing on par with "everyday until you like it"

>>149378107

With that worthless-thin, That wasn't meant for other Anons but for
> If I were to show that webm to a completely unbiased normalfag

>>149377376
You cannot beat GodAni.

>>149378181
>Because you assume people are butthurt for having opinions
You're still speaking in some sort of general sense that I can't begin to comprehend. It's important to understand that I didn't call you butthurt just because you have an opinion different from mine. Can you understand that?

>>149377603
Fuck off JJ Abrams

>>149377376

KYOANI LITERALLY CANNOT BE STOPPED

KYOANI WINS AGAIN

>>149378372
Great reply.

>>149377958
>Most slice of life shows tend to have these because they're animating simple things
Most mundane comedy/drama shows have merely functional animation at best. They're animating simple things, but they're generally not doing it particularly well. HaruChika is closer than the average quality of shows like that than Eupho is.

>>149377376
What do you mean beat them? Just let them create their original stuff and have them burn themselves to the ground.

>>149378957
who hurt you?

>People unironically think Kyoani isn't the best actual animation talent in the anime industry

Artist. KyoAni literally shits on everything, they are the only studio that consistently can deliver high-end anime film level quality in normal episodes like its nbd. Composition is stellar, animation is stellar, coloring is stellar. There's nothing about the art side of KyoAni in things like Hibike that is anything short of exceptional.

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>>149379071

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>>149379258
Silver Link also produces some stellar anime.

>>149379306
The shot of Ribbons and Natsuki is almost like post coitus.

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>>149379258
this

>>149377376
FINDS

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>>149377376
Look, There's nothing special about it (animation wise).

>Muh filter & post production effects
Pic related.
Other big studio can do that if they want to, you know. But, for what though?

>>149379258
>blur and lens flare
>WOW LOOK AT ALL THIS SUPERB ANIMATION

>>149379561
don't you get bored of playing dumb?

>>149379606
don't you get bored of sucking kyoanus?

>>149379606
>playing

>>149379542
Cool 2 second loop, aniki.

Seriously, what's the point of making a webm of this?

>>149379561
Find me an animation studio actually better than KyoAni. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>149379736
Shaft. Too easy.

>>149379750
>Shaft
shaft is good, not kyoani level good.

>>149379736
Is Production IG still alive?

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>>149379750
This, KyoAnus has no creativity or variety whatsoever.

>>149377376
Both are shit.

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>>149379815
>Is Production IG still alive?
Too bad. They're getting bigger.

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Don't wanted to. Don't care. Just leave them alone in their own world.

>>149377376
You don't. Let them continue producing the exact same thinly-veiled moeshit, with the exact same artistic style and approach year-after-year, and enjoy the occasional decent show sprinkled in there, whilst letting retards eat up the mounds of shite.

>>149377789
>projecting
>hear

>>149379827
>KyoAnus has no variety
>three of shart's shitshows has the same character on the poster
>five of them are called the same thing

They both suck
You grow out of KyoAnus when you turn 15, and you grow out of Shart when you can buy beer

>>149377753
To think that Kyoani's younger talents are the ones responsible for this episode. I guess their future is pretty much secured.

>>149380185
>KyoAnus has no variety
Yes. SoL story from school A, SoL story from school B, and School C. Oh look, SoL story from School D.
>five of them are called the same thing
Reina 1, Reina 2, Mio 1, Mio 2, Mai 1, Mai 2, Yuko 1, Yuko 2.

>>149377753
That's nice and all, very impressive.
But boring as shit.

>>149380349
Bless GodAni.

>>149380451
>Yes. SoL story from school A, SoL story from school B, and School C. Oh look, SoL story from School D.

As opposed to:
>Gatari-shit A, Gatari-shit B, Gatari-shit C, Gatarishit D, Gatari-shit E

They're both one-dimensional one-trick ponies with about as much creativity as a DeviantArt fanfiction writer.

>>149379705
>gifs
>2016

Get along with the times pal, and let obsolete technologies rest in peace.

>>149380526
>Comparing a franchise and its sequels with multiple franchises with the same shit theme.
You're very smart, aren't you?

>>149380621
>comparing a shit franchise with the same shit theme to multiple shit franchises with the same shit theme

Different turds, same flavour.
>You're very smart, aren't you?
>defending SHART
You're clearly not.

Kyoto Animation have a history of depicting impressive musical performances, from way back in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya through K-ON! and beyond, but this was still a jaw-dropping feat of technical and dramatic invention. Fluidly animating even a few cuts of character motion generally marks a show as possessing “solid animation” - this was a ten minute performance featuring dozens of individual characters, ridiculous 2D mechanical work, and constant cuts between a wide array of specific actors.

>>149380772
I wonder if Rapeakan liked the episode.

>>149380785
Hahaha what the christ.

>>149380562
He wasn't saying it should be a gif, he was saying that it shouldn't exist at all.

>>149380785
nothing screams "I don't give a fuck about this medium or the fan base" louder than this

>>149380526
You couldn't do a Mio 1, Mio 2 because you know that Gatari characters are unique.

>>149380785
I usually like Shaft but holy fucking hell this is atrocious.

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>>149377376
I don't think that's a far comparison because PA literally put no effort into that show which was basically a rip off of Hibike.
Kyoani does better with brass band performances and PA does better with rock band performances.

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>>149380785
it's was a cute ova

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>>149380916
>Gatari characters are unique.

>>149379827
>monogatari has more series than any of Kyoani's
Kyoani btfo

>>149380785
Shaft was a mistake

>>149377761
>Adding lens flare on the most generic moeblobs of all time and having them do mundane ordinary things is still generic moeblobs doing mundane ordinary things no matter how flashy they make it.

kek

>>149379827
Kyoani is generic and literally sameface, they even ruined the Dragon maid and turned her into a new Shinka.

>>149379827
Amazing how far Shit has fallen

How do Kyoani girls get such a nice brass?

>>149379353
>Kyoani fags will defend this
>"Th-they were only experimenting"

>>149377376
bottom series looks so grumpy, everyone seems angry or dumb as fuck.

>>149379736
Madhouse

>>149381156
Who are you quoting?

>>149381248
Dead studio.

Now no one will ever do another band anime ever again because they'll be afraid of being compared to GodAni

>>149377912
Despite hating these bait-esque opening posts, these thread usually do offer some nice discussion as it's a discusseion catalyst, but we've had this thread recently, KyoAni's assembly is better done in general, but it would've been better looking without the overuse and overabundance of lens flare and instagram filters, which can be applied to most of the rest of the series.

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Kyoani can't even into fanservice

>>149381335
Is that spastic nonsense supposed to be good?

>>149377702
Stop it, newfag.

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Kyoani can't even into romance

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Kyoani can't even into cute imoutos

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>>149381481
x2

>>149381335
>>149381456
>>149381481
>>149381510
Is any of this intended to be impressive or a showcase?

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based shaft

>>149378957
Free made more money since it started than Monogatari. They know how to make money with originals.

>>149381510
This is painful to look at.

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>Kyoani will never have a cute kiss scene

>>149380349
I'm pretty sure Kigami went full autismo on that. The fucker can be ruthless even as a episode director on animation. See the Ishidate interview.

>>149377376
>two nothing animations
>one has lens flare and bloom

Why are people pretending either of these are amazing? Kyoani is already popular why is its fanbase so butthurt and insecure to make these thread everyday.

>>149381687
Can't wait to see what he animates in VEG.

>>149381456
>>149381481
>>149381510
>>149381559
>>149381592
>>149381618

Shaft literally only knows how to do two views, the frontal close up and the side profile shot for wide views. What a bunch of hacks.

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Hibike's background characters are cuter than the main imo

>>149381719
I think he's going to get another shot at directing something alone. His storyboards on Koe no Katachi were otherworldly. Can't wait for the rest of anons to watch it.

>>149381734
Kyoani literally only knows how to put their animation through an instagram filter, they can't even keep a character in place

>>149379353

>>149381737
>anyone cuter than Kumiko or Hazuki
bait

>>149381456
the art is so fucking bad, and muh lol deep dialogue.
Why does this crap sells? oh right, retarded fanbase.

>>149381746
How did you know which scenes were boarded by Kigami? Anyway, I can only see Kigami directing a show again if it's a retirement gift.

>>149381746
I really doubt that. If he wanted to direct another series he would have by now.
At least he can self insert as Ishidate.

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Why is ribbons right foot on wrong

>>149381790
The part where Shouya was racing to get to Shouko when she attempted suicide was done by Kigami and that shot was the best I've seen in anime since EoE. Anons watching it on BD are in for a treat.

>>149381793
was ishidate promoted because of kigami or ishihara?

>>149381789
>Why does this crap sells?

>>149381700
>Kyoani is already popular why is its fanbase so butthurt and insecure to make these theead everyday

to argue for the sake of arguing

>>149381869
Jesus the direction and music in that scene was godly

>>149377742
It's not really a fair comparison, because it's yuriphonium's climax vs yaoichaika's OP. They're intentionally going for different visual direction.

>>149381719
>>149381793
VEG is inevitably going to be Ishidate's. Kigami might be doing KA or episode directing but he doesn't want to handle series. As to why I have no idea, maybe he's still assblasted about Munto.

Their more veteran KAs might be working on the important Asuka episodes or the performance for the titular song, or even Maid dragon. I expect Maid dragon to have a small production lead compared to Hibike, since it's a Pony Canyon contract, but who knows.

>>149381869
Say no more, or at least use black bars. I already know KnK will blow me away but I prefer to be wholly unspoiled.

>>149381939
>another anon has watched it.
Did you drive to SLA? Or did you watch it in Japan? Did you watch Kimi no Na wa?

>>149381649
>Monogatari SS
>Daisuki subs
That's an absolute kind of disgusting.

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Based Kyoani and their deep drama

>>149381873
No idea. Ishidate is Kigami's student so he probably had a hand in it.
>>149381997
VEG is Ishidate's. He directed the CM and confirmed it in his interview on ANN.

>>149381998
I didn't watch it, the footage was shown on TV

>>149379827
Take dragon maid off of that list so it isn't tainted by your disgusting studio shit flinging fingers.

>>149382025
>holy cross and halo
A N N O

>>149377426
>1994 disney animations

literally rotoscoped people made to look like furries

>>149382118
It will be the official shitposting show of the season when it airs.

>>149382025
Is ribbons standing on something or has she always been this tall?

>>149379071
damn hibike is literally flawless

this is fantastic. What a time to be alive

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>>149382189
On something

>This puts KyoAni in a rather peculiar spot – they are widely revered, moreso than part of the western fandom would be comfortable with knowing

Kyoani confirmed to be worshipped by other studios

>>149377376
Opinion of someone who has scene neither series.
Top: great shot composition, barely animated
Bottom: has more animation, but the direction is plain

>>149381989
I had a feeling that this was the case.

>>149382300
>has more animation
Mate you might want to look carefully again.

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>>149382189
That part of the flooring is raised cause it's the front of the classroom

>>149382384
No. Get your eyes checked, fanboy. Kyoani barely animated that scene and most movement is duplicated and looped.

>>149377376
>How do we beat kyoani

By making shows that are actually good and not sameface garbage fests with a pussy MC.

>>149377376
The top depicts the conductor in such a stilted way as to suggest the artists had never seen a real conductor in action before.

Also neither of them do a particularly good job at keeping time, but that could just be the fault of the webm.

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>>149382459
>sameface

>>149379827
holy shit shaft is garbage

>>149382300
>Bottom: has more animation
I know OP is just shitposting, but that doesn't mean you have to shitpost back.

>>149382417
Go through them frame by frame in MPC and you'll see that the Hibike shot has more key frames. There is nothing fanboish or arguable about a quantifiable comparaison.

>>149382417
Not sure if pretending to be retarded or not.

>>149382417
The opening shot in the top already starts off with an animated shot of the instrument moving away from the camera, that's already a more technically challenging shot than anything else in the bottom example. Top also shows more accurate fingering and subtle movements have overlapping action unlike the stiffer pose-to-pose movement in the bottom.

>>149379871
wow based
where can I see this

Kyoani might make shit that looks good, but the shows themselves are pretty boring. Even their "action show" Phantom World was boring.
How can you make a boring action show?

>>149382485
Bottom looks more stilted desu

>>149381028
what happened to araragi?

>>149382527
>>149382532
>>149382534
Sorry, but no. Kyoani's scene is barely animated. And no, lightly shaking the camera's pov in every scene is not animation. You young cucks got fooled by good direction.

>>149381270
>dead studio
>literally legendary status
>made OPM last year with was huge, immense, and now will make OPM 2
Keep telling yourself that autistic contrarian

>>149382602
Most action shows are boring, especially in anime.

>>149382676
>shilling a dead studio

>>149382747
True, but it's more-so with Phantom World. I might be spoiled from Drifters and Keijo.

>>149382602
Phantom World wasn't an action show. It was a show with some action.

>>149382632
point is they're both uninspiring, and I can't fathom why people are wanking so hard over it. The conductor is a major part of playing in an ensemble, and neither of the clips depict them in a good way.

>The key animation credits are similarly dominated by young talent. Save for a couple of exceptions, who are listed under what might be clean-up work, the lineup is bursting with young talent; ranging from people who started in 2011 as the most veteran 1st key animators, to someone like Aoi Matsumoto whose debut as key animator was that exact episode. I honestly have no comment about this. The result was obviously enabled by someone like Kigami leading the episode, but it says a lot that the studio’s traditional animation aces didn’t need to even touch this episode.

Imagine being Kyoani and not only do you have a ton of veteran animation gods like Kigami but all your young animators are geniuses as well. Why are they so stacked with talent?

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>>149381649
>are you an italian?

>>149382827
Fuck off, kvin.

>>149382799
The conductor isn't even a conductor, he's a high school music teacher.

I like Bones. Gosick was great.

>>149382518
will shitposters EVER recover?

>>149382848
japs are racist and think thats how italians behave

I like PA Works. Glassip was great.

>>149377376
Their animation looks good, but I don't watch any of their shows because they don't interest me. I watched K-On! about 5 years ago, but I've grown out of their storylines and settings.

I also just got back into watching more anime recently. Does KyoAni get a lot of hate because their shows dominate the seasons? So people want more action anime for example, but we keep getting more moeshit because KyoAni's success keeps snowballing?

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>>149377409
This. PA Works doesn't want to beat Kyoani, they want to be Kyoani

>>149383177
They have a long way to go given how they treat their workers though.

>>149382518
I like the colours in Shouko Ikeda's original/loose adaptations.

>>149383073
There's pretty much always twice the amount of action shows than there are slice of life.

>>149383073
Kyoto Animation shows aren't even really dominating that much. As always, it's just a vocal minority being very loud, plus internet drama from other places like twitter, most notably the western sakugafans.
That one is a lot more harmful to /a/.

They're now the new big opinion makers on the block. Whatever show the twitter sakugadorks espouse is what a sudden recent influx of teenagers like and come to post on /a/ about it a lot.

>>149383073
>I also just got back into watching more anime recently
It seems more like you just started posting here recently to make a dumb, retarded question like that though.

>>149383229
So what I've seen on /a/ is just a very loud minority? It doesn't matter if it's for or against KyoAni - I seem to always notice multiple threads talking about them or their shows in the catalogue.

>>149383253
Gotcha, I figured that, and then you replied as I was typing.

>>149383267
What the hell offended you?

>>149383073
No. Because Kyoani fag are complete cunts.

It's like an exhibitionist who keep waving around her loose vagina to any other person she met.

>>149383267
which part of "It seems more like you just started posting here recently to make a dumb, retarded question like that though" you didn't understand?

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>>149377376
neither is as good as sunrise

>>149382262
Yuuko is far from being my fav but she was really cute in this outfit

>>149382406
>that attention to detail

How can anyone else even compete?

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>>149383396
simply: they can't

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love live > k-on

>>149377376
Better than panning over a still-frame or shitty motion capture, NODAME CANTABILE, I'M LOOKING AT YOU.

>>149383370
>Yaoi and Yuribait the studio
>better than anyone.
They should've listened to Tomino.

>>149383177
rare kumiko legs.

>>149377376
>shit filters
>shit filters everywhere
Fuck Kyoani.

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>>149382827
>can only name Kigami

lel

>>149383525
At least Nodame had proper orchestra that could play not the disaster that they had in Euphonium.

>>149377702
could you be trying any harder?

>>149383701
What disaster?

>>149383203
>PA works
>Transport paid
>Lunch paid
>Lodging paid

Tell me, when did Kyoani do these things to their workers?

>>149383815
This has to be bait, PA Works is literally committing slavery.

>>149383815
PA works fired the guy because they got embarrassed over people finding out how little they pay. The only time Kyoani fired someone was because he sekuhara'd female coworkers

>>149379258
Too bad the anime they do are all garbage.

>>149383289
You will have noticed that for example, the anons comparing working conditions at P.A. Works and Kyoto Animation here in this thread are continuing their drama that started on twitter.
Another example is when one prominent sakugadork-member named yuyucow/kVin talked positively about the opening sequence of the fantasy action show Drifters because it was animated by a French animator doing the whole sequence all by himself, and then next day, for an entire week, there were OP of the season-threads on /a/, always starting with Drifters.

/a/ might have gotten rid of youtube anime reviewers, but is now in the stranglehold of ANN-writers and bloggers.

At least they talk about how the industry works instead of their opinion about why they consider a show boring or not through memes, so it is an improvement.

>>149379827
To prove how shit Shaft is is that they chose Nero.

>>149383886
>has no argument
>B-bait! PA Works is committing slavery! They're just like every other studios!

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>>149377376
By using more filters.

>>149384234
>then next day, for an entire week, there were OP of the season-threads on /a/, always starting with Drifters.
Or maybe people just really liked the Drifters OP? I think you're overestimating the impact of a really tiny subset of the anime fanbase. The average anime fan doesn't give a shit about who makes their cartoons.

>>149384286
Damn, why is "Progressive" Animation so shit?

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Why does kyoani only make moeshit?

>>149384296
That looks slightly better than the show itself.

>>149384234
Maybe you should stop blaming everything on the scary boogiemen and realise that maybe people like good things.

>>149383921
>PA works fired the guy because he revealed the details about his salary's invoice

Every other company would do the same thing. He already got his living expenses covered, the ingrate. Serve him right.

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>>149384345
You too can make anime like Kyoani, buy Adobe Aftereffects today!

>>149384461
why is uchouten kazoku their only show without that ugly pale coloring?

>>149384300
>The average anime fan doesn't give a shit about who makes their cartoons
That is of course correct. These threads are inhabited by those who aren't, though, and they come to /a/ all the time to make the same threads at the same day.

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>>149384518
>why is uchouten kazoku their only show without that ugly pale coloring?
>only show

I have never watched a KyoAni anime. I'm willing to give it a try though.

What's the best one to try first?

>>149377376
>Kyoani
>That terrible hand movement
>Lend flare
>Shiny instruments

>Those other studios with the boring complexion
>Both BTFO'd by something mad in the 50's
https://youtu.be/xpAjbaNBPqA

Fucking hilarious, I'm laughing.

>>149384688
Depends on what you're looking for

>>149384748
i'm looking for the best they got

>>149384310
Dumb makiposter

>>149384791
Keion, especially S2
Hyouka
Tamako, especially Love Story
Nichijou
Hibikek

>>149384688
Full Metal Panic
Haruhi

That's pretty much it

>>149384698
This looks way worse than Eupho, good job though /co/ scum

>>149384994
>>149385084
alright thanks senpais

>>149385117
That's some pretty bad bait mate. Like it didn't even look like you were trying.

>>149385490
If you want to wank over Disney at least post something good, Tom and Jerry's animation isn't exactly stellar.

>>149385618
Tom and Jerry is some of the better handdrawn animation of all time. Shame Disney doesn't do that anymore and it's hilarious to compare a movie budget western release to a weekly animated Jap series. Both of you are retarded.

>>149385967
It's definitely stylish but I wouldn't say it's very technically impressive, my main issue with Tom and Jerry is how boring it is, I even found it boring as a child.

>>149386164

You were never a child then.

>>149386164
>My main issue with Tom and Jerry is how boring it is

Damn, the bait expands. Is there even an attempt happening?!

>>149386272
>>149386285
I thought Samurai Jack was boring when I was young too because I really disliked how episodic cartoons are and how repetitive they felt, it's a big reason behind why I became such a fan of anime.

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>>149386667
>>149386164
I'm scared that this person regularly posts here

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>>149385117
>This looks way worse than Eupho

>>149377376
We make AfterEffects more expensive

>>149377376
now maybe if they could at least create visually memorable scenes and shots instead of just pretty animation.
also pretty impressive how they managed to make 2 cancerous trends in anime some of the most popular things (SoL and LN adaptations)

>>149386285
I found it boring too, no substance, just 30 second slightly amusing jokes following each other.

>>149377742
Did you just pull a Tamanawa?

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>>149386667
>Tom and Jerry is boring
>Samurai Jack was boring

>>149384698
The sense of humor is great.

>>149377376
Having actual yuri instead of undertones.

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>>149383177
>PA Works doesn't want to beat Kyoani, they want to be Kyoani
That's funny since Uchouten Kazoku is better than anything Kyoani has ever put out.
I guess it just shows that all the animation and filters in the world can't polish the literal turds that are the materials Kyoani decide to adapt.

Hal and J.C.Staff are much better than Kyoani

>>149388706
It was the only good thing PU Stinks put out, but not better than KyoAni's best.

>>149377376
Sunrise and Shaft do just fine.

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>>149377376
Call me the day when Kyoani will be capable of animating a show with the variety of designs of Space Dandy.
Animating a bunch of moeblobs that look almost identical isn't that big of a feat.

>>149389314
Having a variety of designs isn't impressive at all if they're all relatively simple, drawing cute girls is a lot harder.

>>149389314
Those are literally simple blobs.

>>149379736
Sunrise on OVAs and Independant projects
Production I.G.
Ghibli
Xebec on most of their Mecha projects
Bones if we're talking animation only
Gainax for their experimentation and stylization (this is really subjective though)

I like Kyoani, but they waste their animation team on doing SoL and adaptions.

They've got talent, but because of the genre they specialize in they end up doing stupid things like adding depth of field effect and random layers of lens flare to scenes that don't need it.

This just makes their animation come off as extremely forced because they try to add extra fluff to scenes that don't need it.

If the same scene was remade in Live action using the same techniques it would look just as bad.

/a/nons say shit like "muh cinematic feeling", but if you've ever invested yourself in actual movies (i.e. not Chinese cartoons)
you'd know that unnecessary lens flare isn't used as excessively as Kyoani does it unless it's a mediocre sci-fi/action flick, or J.J.Abrams is at the helm.
There's also this>>149389314
Kyoani uses a limited number of character designers, and a lot of their stuff looks the same.

The average person wouldn't be able to tell the difference between most of their shows since they all generally go for an identical tone, setting and atmosphere.
Meanwhile studios like Bones and Gainax constantly switch things up.

>>149379827
I fucking hate weebs who think this lineup is acceptable

give us real movies for once

>>149388980
>but not better than KyoAni's best.
Yes it is.

>>149383701
Are you retarded?

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>>149389314

>>149388980
>It was the only good thing PU Stinks put out
Sure
>but not better than KyoAni's best.
Nope

>>149388980
This. P.A. needs some good directors first.

>>149389445
>>149389473
Yes, but they match the personalities of the characters they portray.

You couldn't have Dandy use Meow or QT's design, because each is created to embody and evoke certain traits and nuances.

Kyoani is constantly doing the same thing and only mass produces "cute" stuff so they can keep their audience which mostly consists of Otaku.

This is why most of their character designs can be swapped out across different series and nothing really changes.

Kyoani is no different from Hisashi Hirai in terms of character design, yet the majority of /a/ will only call out one of them on this when it's brought up.

>>149377376
ITT: PRETTY COLORS > PLOT, WRITING, CHARACTERS, AND PACING

>>149389580
UK had brilliant direction.
But as for the rest of their works, pretty much everything is lacking save for backgrounds, not just direction.

>>149389672
>ITT: FILTERS > PLOT, WRITING, CHARACTERS, AND PACING
ftfy

>>149389654
Over-exaggerated styles for an over exaggerated show.

Wow what a difficult concept.

>>149389713
UK had good art direction but the direction was pretty standard.

>Get a film minor
>Notice all the details that Kyo-ani and other good studios put into their composition.
>Idiots like: >>149377426>>149377702
>>149377766
still can't see it.

Pearls to swine. Are you guys literally retarded?

>>149389828
of course a film minor would make you appreciate KyoAni since they're just trying to copy film instead of being an anime. Limiting yourself to film techniques ruins the creative potential of being animated in the first place.

>>149389794
No, the duirection itself was very good too.
I still remember how brilliant scenes like Yajirou's confession, Yasaburo, Benten and Yodogawa on the roofs and most of the cold opening and ending scenes were.

>>149389725
>Over-exaggerated styles for an over exaggerated show.
You say this like it's a bad thing?

>Wow what a difficult concept.
You have to take into account that when designing characters a good artist must take into account their personality, the context of the story,atmosphere, and other things.
You may not notice it, but a lot of nuance and subtle choices go into great design.

For an example of this I'd suggest you check out almost any anime that Kenichi Yoshida has made character designs for.
His style is perfect at capturing a character's personality and you can get a feel for them just by looking at their lineart.

>>149377376
rotoscope

>>149390063
What Disney did was rotoscope. This isn't

>>149390016
So you're the type of retard that allows the colour coding by personality trope to exist, disgusting.

>>149390328
>So you're the type of retard that allows the colour coding by personality trope to exist, disgusting.
>colour coding by personality trope

I don't get what you mean by this?

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>>149389828
>>Get a film minor

>>149377376
I miss high school band. Good times. The trombone section could get away with anything.

>>149389828
>>Get a film minor
why not just choose a minor you could actually use?
You don't even need school to get knowledge of something like this.

>>149390016
You have to take into account that Kyoani usually doesn't adapt shows with exaggerated characters, there's not much room for wacky designs when it's a slice of life set in a high school.

Also I'm pretty sure Kyoani have only done a single original anime so judging them on their designs when the designs already exist is a bit retarded.

>>149390590
Why does everything in uni have to be 100% useful? I'd much prefer to learn something in uni that I want to learn or know more about than something that makes me money.

And learning online will pretty much always be worse than learning in a structured environment.

>>149390590
>You don't even need school to get knowledge of something like this.
Apparently, this thread proves otherwise.
I took a film course so I could appreciate all the animu films. After learning what to look out for, rewatching shit like Ghost in the Shell, Jin Roh etc made it SO MUCH better. It was like my eyes were opened. lol.
>>149389938
So you just disagree cause of your own philosophy of anime? Fair point.

>>149390828
>i enjoy these movies more because i was told these film techniques were good
GITS is so basic it's not even funny.

>>149380785
Is this DOOM?

>>149390623
Shinka's archetype is nowhere to be seen in any of those other shows.

>>149390301
>Disney Rotoscoped

Am I being memed or something?! What is the joke here?

>>149389794
This
It was one of those few shows carried by writing. Directing is bland and it lacks any focus on animation itself.

>>149381028
>>149380785
This is so lazy, but SHAFT gets away with it because the IPs Aniplex-sama hands to them will sell regardless of quality. Zaregoto is currently a 15k seller.

>>149391044
Disney Princesses movies were mostly rotoscoped yes.

>>149377376
Use more depth of field.

>>149391081
Yuki Yase was a mistake.

>>149390684
>there's not much room for wacky designs when it's a slice of life set in a high school.

Phantom world, Amagi, KnK and to an extent Chuunibyou could've all used completely different design styles from what they had and it doesn't need to even be wacky, they just need to make the show stand out from everything else the studio makes.

One pf Kyoani's main problems is that most of their shows feel like the same show so it feels like once you've seen a couple, you've seen them all,and while this is true for a few studios it's very prominent in Kyoani.

And it's not helped when their shows all share similar animation techniques and art design.

There are tons of shows using similar settings that utilize more unique designs,stand out and are able to hold their ground as decent to good anime.

>so judging them on their designs when the designs already exist is a bit retarded.

They could've easily chosen to create new designs for their adaptions, it's been done tons of times before.

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>>149388706
Uchouten Kazoku had really mediocre direction and animation. Just compare to an actual good adaptation from the same author like Tatami Galaxy and the difference is massive.

>>149377376
>depth of field
>chromatic eyerape
>lens flare

Not do this for starters

>>149391267
>One pf Kyoani's main problems is that most of their shows feel like the same show
I don't think this is a problem at all, or even true.

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>>149390301
>This isn't
Yeah, no.

>>149390722
>Why does everything in uni have to be 100% useful?

If you're paying for it you might as well get something useful out of it.

>I'd much prefer to learn something in uni that I want to learn or know more about

If you're that passionate about something then it's easier of you to study on it yourself.

>And learning online will pretty much always be worse than learning in a structured environment.
I guess this depends on the person, but I just like having that many resources, you could always just check out a book from a library and use the internet as a supplement for your learning.

>>149391338
No it didn't, and everything looks bad compared to Tatami Galaxy.

>>149391298
What animation, all I see is sunflare

>>149391373
Prove it faggot

>>149391338
The direction of UK was great and the animation was generally solid with some great moments.
Why would you compare it with something as abstract as Tatami Galaxy?

>>149391359
>i don't think shows being similar is a problem at all

Then i assume Shaft's headtilts isn't a problem for you?

Better thread >>149390717

>>149391359
I find it to be for most of their SoL stuff.

K-ON, Euphorium, Chuunibyou, Free, and Lucky star all have a few similar thematic and atmospheric elements

>>149390722

>why don't you praise me for wasting money on useless pseudointellectual onanism?

neck yourself senpai

>>149391267
>Phantom world, Amagi, KnK and to an extent Chuunibyou could've all used completely different design styles from what they had and it doesn't need to even be wacky, they just need to make the show stand out from everything else the studio makes.

They look pretty different to me and apart from Phantom World and Chuunibyou they're all different character designers.

>One pf Kyoani's main problems is that most of their shows feel like the same show so it feels like once you've seen a couple, you've seen them all,and while this is true for a few studios it's very prominent in Kyoani.
Can you give any examples? Yeah they're mostly about high schoolers but they're not much alike at all.

>And it's not helped when their shows all share similar animation techniques and art design.
Animation techniques yeah because they're really into growing talent in-house but art design? I don't agree much at all.

>There are tons of shows using similar settings that utilize more unique designs,stand out and are able to hold their ground as decent to good anime.
So? Kyoani go for more realistic characters and I like it, I don't like it when every character looks and acts like a trope.

>They could've easily chosen to create new designs for their adaptions, it's been done tons of times before.
Kyoani is too good of a studio to do this.

>>149380785
I like this, only because it fits the genre the show is in.
It was only like that for the character introduction though

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>>149391359
Don't fool yourself. They literally did three K-On clones this year. Phantom World, Hibike and Koe no Katachi.

>>149391544
Why is learning something you have a passion for a waste? I'd tell you to off yourself but with your attitude you're probably planning on doing it soon anyway.

>>149391732
>Kyoani is too good of a studio to do be creative
This is why they aren't that good of a studio, they're too much in a comfort zone that they even changed the Dragon Maid designs to look like their other shows.

They will also use there "blur and filters" and will ruin it.

>>149391786
Can't wait for Maidrag-On and Violet Evergard-On

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>>149390301
>>149391119
Nope, they used movement of real people and animals as reference, but they didn't rotoscope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkb0r2-vYK0

>>149391384
>If you're paying for it you might as well get something useful out of it.
Knowledge isn't important?

>If you're that passionate about something then it's easier of you to study on it yourself.
It's both harder and less efficient to study it yourself for anything but languages, especially with the amazing resources universities have nowadays, teachers especially.

And yeah, the effectiveness of learning yourself definitely depends on the person but I personally believe learning stuff in person is a lot better since you get to interact both with professionals who have been in that field for their entire life and fellow students.

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>no shit filters
>wildly different character designs
>can do any genre, not just SoL
>can animate anything, not just high school girls doing nothing
>no shit filters for le "cinematic feel"
Why is Bones so much better than Kyoani?

>>149391855
>Dragon Maid designs
Okay nevermind.

>Kyoani is too good of a studio to do be creative
Why would they change the designs when they seek out LNs and manga to adapt themselves?

>This is why they aren't that good of a studio, they're too much in a comfort zone that they even changed the Dragon Maid designs to look like their other shows.
I wouldn't say they're in a comfort zone, don't forget about Nichijou and Free.

>They will also use there "blur and filters" and will ruin it.
I like the blur and filters.

>>149391872
>Can't wait for Maidrag-On and Violet Evergard-On
That was a good one.

I do hope that the Maid Dragon anime will have some anime original content. I also wonder how they'll make Iruru, the misshapen oppai loli.

>>149392152
Nichijou is from 5 years ago, everything after that has literally been the same designs and filters used.

>>149391968
>Knowledge isn't important?
No it is, but I feel like college is an investment, so you should use it in a way where you're able to make that investment back and then some.

To me subjects dealing with the arts are something I'd pursue on my own time, but if you've got the money for it go ahead.

>I personally believe learning stuff in person is a lot better since you get to interact both with professionals who have been in that field for their entire life and fellow students.

Everyone learns differently so I'm not gonna argue with that

>>149391976
2000s bones was Archangel-teir, I haven't watched much of their stuff from this decade so I can't really guage them now.
But they've definitely improved on animation by a hundred fold.

>>149392169
Breast size will be reduced, and if there's any fanservice such as panty shots then that won't be animated either.

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>>149390328
You're just reaching now, kyoanifag. Stop posting.

>>149392169
Iruru wasn't in the voice cast.

>>149388706
>those hands
My god

>>149392241
>Nichijou is from 5 years ago
So? It's two years after k-on and breaks the spree of cute girl shows.

>everything after that has literally been the same designs and filters used.
Unless you're blind as fuck the designs are pretty different and they only really started using filters after Euphonium.

Nichijou has the deformed type character designs which was nice and fit the SoL mood, if they had done the same with Dragon Maid keeping it's original designs it would be something to look forward to

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>>149392423
They did.

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>>149391976
Who says Bones can't do MUSIC

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>>149392423
looks fine to me

>>149392423
how about you stop shitposting and at least wait for them to release the designs or some pv or some shit

men strive to be like kyoani

little BOYS try to deny their prestige and claim their own tastes to be the new prestige

>>149391976
>wildly different character designs
Because they outsource
>can do any genre, not just SoL
>can animate anything, not just high school girls doing nothing
Because they outsource

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>>149392510
I like the original designs better

>>149392642
>>149392584

>>149392152
>okay nevermind

Are you implying the original design wasn't important?

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>>149392642
Those are not the original designs, do you even read the manga? The cover art is always different from what we get.

>>149392304
Might still be revealed later though.

>>149392630
Real men strive to suck as many dicks as possible instead of being around such an estrogen heavy environment fucking faggot