Who was more influential to anime, Miyazaki or Tomino?

Unironically Tomino.

Miyazaki created a style no one can replicate.

Where as you have hundreds of military mecha series now.

Tomino for TV.

Miyazaki for movies.

>>148987299
Tomino, Miyazaki is unimportant.

Anyone who doesn't say Tomino is delusional.

>>148987335
>Miyazaki created a style no one can replicate.

Haha nope. His style can easily be copied, but no one wants to because it's stagnant as shit. Now Kon- THAT's a director whose work you can't replicate.

>>148987360
>Miyazaki for movies.

...such as?

Tomino. They are both hacks but Tomino is the more influential hack.

>>148987299
Tezuka.

>>148987335
>Where as you have hundreds of military mecha series now.
And who pioneered that?

>Miyazaki created a style no one can replicate.
You mean a generic fantasy story with a save the nature message and feminist heroine?

>>148987445
Hosoda, Shinkai, Anno, etc. All state he had a level of influence on them. This isn't even considering the non-anime level of influence he had with people like Pixar.

>>148987502
I was saying Tomino was more influential.

Because every season since Gundam we have at least one series that tries to be similar to Gundam, or has some kind of reference to it.

>>148987299
Tomino

>>148987506
Anno himself was influenced by Tomino more than Miyazaki.

>>148987506
>This isn't even considering the non-anime level of influence he had with people like Pixar
Of course, considering that on an anime board in a thread about anime influences would be stupid. The only reason you brought it up is because you're reaching to name any influence Miyazaki has had on the industry.

Tomino invented Isekai so it's got to be him.

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>>148987445
>Children Who Chase Lost Voices
>Mai Mai Miracle
>A Letter to Momo
>The Boy and the Beast
>Sinbad: The Flying Princess and the Secret Island
>Gothicmade

And these were all from the past 5 years.

>>148987560
>you're reaching to name any influence Miyazaki has had on the industry
But I stated the highest grossing anime filmmakers after Miyazaki. That's hardly reaching.

Otomo and Oshii also were influenced by him.

>>148987653
>>Mai Mai Miracle

Oh, this was from 2009. Could have sworn it was 2011. Well, that's beside the point.

>>148987299

>Who will die first, Miyazaki or Tomino?

fixed

>>148987299
Tomino for good anime
Miyazaki for nothing but bringing more normalfags to the medium.

>>148987653
>A Letter to Momo
>Gothicmade
>Miyazaki
Shut the fuck up

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>>148987653
>>Children Who Chase Lost Voices
Blatant tribute by Shinkai to Miyazaki, with the exact same style of character design, not something meant to stand on its own as a movie
>>Mai Mai Miracle
More of a tribute to Takahata
>>A Letter to Momo
I'll give you this one b/c of Spirited Away
>>The Boy and the Beast
Not really any different than Wolf Children as a concept
>>Sinbad: The Flying Princess and the Secret Island
The guy who made this worked with Miyazaki for years
>>Gothicmade
Probably the most Miyazaki-inspired one on this whole list other than the mecha, but literally nobody here has seen it

Tomino was the first one to pander to basement dwelling neckbeards whereas Miyazaki tried hard to bring respect to this medium. Of course by default Tomino has bigger influence because he was the original hack with no creativity.
Also people afterwards did way better job of doing what Tomino tried to do but nobody would ever succeed in surpassing Miyazaki, although this talk is strictly skill and I really don't want to compare a hack to Miyazaki, that would be insulting.

>>148987920
Winning an Oscar is the ultimate proof that you're a hack though.

>>148987903
>Probably the most Miyazaki-inspired one on this whole list other than the mecha

Please kill yourself.

>>148987299

Tomino because Miyazaki could not accomplish to what Tomino did to the animation industry of selling both merch and maintaining hype.

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>>148987920
>Miyazaki tried hard to bring respect to this medium.

>>148987944
An Oscar that he didn't even care for. And no, Oscar is neither a merit of greatness nor being a hack.

>>148987920
>people afterwards did way better job of doing what Tomino tried to do
And what exactly would that be?

>>148987920
>Tomino was the first one to pander to basement dwelling neckbeards
Pretty sure super-robo hobbyists existed beforehand.

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>>148988028
Don't you dare pretend it isn't.

>>148987997
Are you denying that?

>>148988054
Tomino never tried to make anything like Eva though and don't you dare say Ideon

>>148988028
A director created a 25 minute short ova all on his own which tells a more captivating Sekai-kei tale and has a much more transcendental message than Tomino's entire animatography.

>>148988105
Are you talking about Shinkai? Because I don't consider him to be a serious director.

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>>148987299
Miyazaki

Not only his style is amazing, but he has actual passion for anime, and projects something bigger for the anime scenario than fapbaits, idolcrap, and the same moe/shonenshit copy pasted to death

But of course, the weebs hate him for wanting to actually give a purpose and make anime something more than marketing for failed normies

Tomino is just getting his dick sucked because the weebs hate Miyzaki like I just said, and ''muh mechas''

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>>148987951
>>148987815
>>Gothicmade

>chara and ship designs
>color palette and watercolor backgrounds
>strong young female MC
>male character who is literally Howl
>stupid animal mascot
>green fields to show off muh beautiful nature
>plot involves some kind of classic fairy tale adventure
>something about a war in the background

Name me one other movie that has this many other Miyazaki tropes not by Miyazaki and isn't a tribute to him.

>>A Letter to Momo

Totoro with the three stooges instead of giant cuddly monster.

>>148988176
Miyazaki's only passions are little girls and planes!

>>148988105
>Sekai-kei
Just say world system, you fucking sperg. You're referring to tropes which have been used in western sci-fi stories, where the Japanese got their influences from. It's nearly as retarded as people who write isekai/異世界 instead of parallel worlds/universes. These are things invented by the Japanese. Japanese publishers have been putting out translated western sci-fi stories for the past 35 years+ in popular magazines and individual volumes.

You probably can't even read Japanese.

>>148988136
I don't care what you consider him, the fact remains.
Tomino will always be remembered as the guy that created the guidelines and others created better product by playing strictly or loosely by those guidelines. He will never be remembered for creating the best product under/around those guidelines.

>>148988226
He has some promise but Shinkai is not someone who can be compared to a legend like Tomino.

>Tomino will always be remembered as the guy that created the guidelines and others created better product by playing strictly or loosely by those guidelines
Stop making things up. Tomino's legacy only looks like this in your defective head.

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>>148988073
He did, actually, and he failed miserably.

>>148988176
>he has actual passion for anime

Is that why he thinks it's a mistake.

>>148987667
>Otomo and Oshii also were influenced by him.

Now you're just reaching.

>>148988396
Do you want me to go about finding all the interviews you dumbass.

>>148987903
>Blatant tribute by Shinkai to Miyazaki, with the exact same style of character design, not something meant to stand on its own as a movie

It wasn't a tribute. It was Shinkai being a hack as usual.

>>148987299
>Who was more influential to anime, Miyazaki or Tomino?

Tomino.

If only because I hold the unpopular opinion that Miyazaki was more influential on western animation of all things.

>>148988363
He hates the workings and the industry, not the medium itself. Why do people fail to realize that?

>>148988467
Show me an example of the old fart praising an anime then, any one made after 1980 that isn't his own.

>>148988457
What makes you think that opinion is unpopular?

>>148988417
Please, go ahead, show me the source of your delusions.

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>>148988509
http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/miyazaki/impact.html
>Back in Japan, Katsuhiro Otomo, the man behind Akira and Domu, also admires comics and films by Miyazaki, and admits to learning the art of animation through Miyazaki's works.
http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/oshii_on_mt.html
>The first (work of) Miya-san's I saw was Conan the Future Boy. It was on the air when I joined Tatsunoko Production to be a director, so I was really blown away by it.
http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/Anime/News1/Mamoru_Hosoda_Exclusive_Interview_5117.aspx
>And, as you mentioned, Totoro has a very big influence on my generation of animators.
http://animediet.net/conventions/the-garden-of-thoughts-an-interview-with-makoto-shinkai
>Maybe, for lack of a better term, there’s a “Miyazaki side,” or [Mamoru] Hosoda or [Mamoru] Oshii side, and there’s is a deep maniac anime fan side, but there are people that don’t belong to either side and I want to do things that neither side has done.

Please stop being the type of person who has to be right no matter what, your kind are very insufferable.

>>148988489
He praised The Red Turtle recently.
>Inb4 it's not anime
The point remains though, he has criticized all sorts of industry workings and how the medium is being misused and how it's not going in the direction he sees fit but he doesn't hold anything against the medium itself.
It's like saying Alan Moore hates the medium of comics when he just criticizes the workings of the industry itself.

>>148988272
How is Brain Powerd like Eva and unlike Tomino's other shows?

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>obvious choice

>>148988635
>>Inb4 it's not anime

It isn't fucktard, he praised it for NOT being anime by the way.

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>>148988190
Gothicmade is based on Five Star Stories, a manga that's been running since the mid 80s before Ghibli was even formed. And none of those "tropes" you mentioned are specific to Miyazaki as they are fairy tales in general.

Also, Nagano>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Miyazaki.

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What has Miyazaki exactly influenced?

He's made good family orientated shows that are top quality, I wouldn't call him influential at all.

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>>148987299
Tomino. Although I wouldn't expect /a/ to know shit about his influence on mecha Anime and Anime in general.

Tomino made Dunbine and Mobile Suit Gundam. We still see works that stem from those to this day.

>>148987299
Yamada.

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>>148989047
>Five Star Stories

Other than the robots and some of the clothes, nothing about that movie is remotely similar to Gothicmade.

>>148987299
Tomino looks like Skinner from the X -files.

>>148988073
The reason why Tomino has never made anything as weird, trippy, and fucked-up as Neon Genesis Evangelion is because he's not as insane (or mentally ill, if that's how you want to say it) as Anno. Anno is most likely a self-made social outcast, who definitey has something like social anxiety disorder. On the other hand, Tomino is a pretty normal person, who just so happens to have mild murderous tendencies.

Miyazaki had his hands I on Horus, WMT, Nausicaa, Totoro and so on which were instrumental to anime's development. Tomino did Gundam.
How are you even supposed to measure that? They're both inarguably important figures.

Anime movies don't mean shit, so Tomino by default.

>>148989674
>Tomino is a pretty normal person, who just so happens to have mild murderous tendencies.
That's not very normal, anon.

>>148989047
>>148988190
Has anybody even seen Gothicmade? It's not like there is a BD release of it to buy.

>>148989674
>he's not as insane
You clearly have not watched Zambot or Be Invoked.

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This furfucker

>>148990101
Wouldn't say it's fair to use Tezuka in a "who is more influential" thread. He's going to come out on top regardless due to the fact that he made the first anime.

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Obviously Tomino, he directed and wrote possibly the best anime ever - Garzey's Wing. A true masterpiece

>>148987299
Togashi was more influential than both of them

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>>148990138
>he made the first anime
What did he mean by this?

>>148990816
The first regular TV-manga, Astroboy.

>>148990816
Meant it in terms of television, if you don't count that one Calendar thing.

>>148987335
>Miyazaki created a style no one can replicate.
That's false no one truly wishes to replicate it, Miyazaki used the most cost inefficient method of production.

>>148987506
>Hosoda, Shinkai, Anno, etc. All state he had a level of influence on them.
There's no actual proof that such thing actually happened an praising veterans is part of Japanese manners.

>>148990973
Actually he dind't create a new method of production but instead employed archaic methods

>>148989175
I don't really like much the Gundam franchise but you cant compare Tomino with Miyazaki in terms of influencing the industry because everyone with little knowledge knows that Miyazaki is mostly disconnected from industry and among least influential anime directors ever regardless of his success while Tomino is much inferior as creator hes among the most influential anime directors ever.

>>148987299
Tomino invented hentai, so probably him.

>>148987299
Tomino obviously. Today's glorious otaku solders were all Tomino's disciple 3 decades ago. Hayao was always an outsider for normalfag audiance.

Soly in terms of influence, Tomino.
This shouldn't be an argument.