WSJD - The Promised Neverland

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>>148957970
Oh shit, Mama Emma sounds weird.

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>>148958203

thanks

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>>148958232
Looks like they fucked up the last bubble.

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>>148957883
Thank you very much

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>>148958373
Based Emma

>>148958338
What could Emma be doing here?

>>148958409
I can't tell if Norman has the dokis or if he's concerned.

>>148958453
Both.

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>>148958409
End. And I honestly love this series. The Cover Page art is always so amazing and these twist don't feel nearly as force as many of Kubo's twists felt or Ishida's do currently.

>>148958411
Walking on a single line as a game I guess.

>>148958496
Fucking called it last thread, ha

>>148958496

Holy mother of God I love this manga

>>148958496
What the fuck, I legitimately didn't expect that.

This would have been great with an adaptation by the Madhouse of 5 years ago.

>>148958496
Fucking called it.

>>148958496
The traitor is the blonde one.

>>148958496
I really wasn't expecting this.

>>148958496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

>>148958496
Emma will clearly be willing to forgive Ray if this is the case since she literally said it this chapter but what will Norman do now?

Will he listen to her and go with what she says or will he want to get him out of the way too somehow?
I know he's in love with Emma and all but Ray isn't really someone they can just ignore.

>>148958496
Fucking call it the traitor is blonde one who want to advande to destroy Sister

>>148958453
Clearly Norman is the traitor and he's betraying everyone after Mama had promised him Emma will live by becoming the next Mama, and this is just him feeling guilt over betraying everyone else for her.

>>148958496
>tfw made fun of the guy who called it last thread
damn

>>148958814
Kill everyone for the waifu, great.

>>148958496
Holy shit.

>>148958771
He may actually kill Ray, but oh wait, this is WSJ.

>>148958880
AI YO!

>>148958771
He wants to make her happy so he'll at least try to make Ray switch boats. That's probably why he's confronting him.
If that doesn't work, then who knows.

>>148958929
He won't kill Ray, he'll just chop off his arms and legs, and carry him off. He'll be alive like Emma wants them all to be. Disarmed, but alive.

>>148958929
Pretty sure he'd sacrifice anyone for Emma, those yandere vibes don't lie.

But I do wonder what he's going to do.

>>148959004
This isn't shingeki no kyojin

>>148958496
So can someone smarter than me explain why?

Ah fuck, shit's getting more and more interesting.

>>148958995
I don't think it'll be that easy but I agree he probably wouldn't lash out right away. Wouldn't wanna disappoint her.

>>148959067
It's not explained in this chapter, you have to wait for next week.

I assume that he somehow kept Don in Check or he told Don later that he put the rope somewhere else, but didn't tell Ray, so that Ray was the only one who could have told Mama that as Emma never would.

>>148959039
No, but Norman is a male yandere.

>>148959067
Probably he told Don a different location without telling Ray

>he told the fake locations to ray and emma
>inb4 the traitor is actually emma

In the chance that Norman's the actual traitor how will Emma react? She's forgiving but knowing he was sacrificing everyone for her own sake would be a massive hit. Would they make up or is Norman going to lose the waifu?

In the case that it's Ray I think he's probably just going to be talked back into the group after some drama. Hard to say how Norman will act though.

>>148959004
Fuck you and your puns.

how is this series?

>>148959234
>inb4 Mama is actually trying to save Emma from Norman

>>148958496
Can someone explain why Ray bothered leaking the fake location to Mama?

>>148959351
Maybe he has to give her regular updates

>>148959067
Norman told both Emma and Ray that he hid fake ropes and hid them in two locations and told Gilda and Don one of the locations each. He told them he informed Gilda it was in the second floor bathroom and told Don it was behind his bed. The thing is, he never actually told Don about the ropes being hidden in the bathroom so the only people who knew the rope was behind Normans bed was Emma and Ray and since it's obviously not Emma since we saw her peeping in on Sister Krone and Gilda's conversation, the traitor is Ray.

It's literally just a fucking ruse.

Ray knew they're doing this to find Mama's rat.

There's is no fucking reason he'd go and out himself.

Not like this.

>>148959351
He might be pretending to be her spy for whatever reason.

>>148959351
If both Don and Gilda don't inform Mama about the rope and it's just left there, it could be used to help aid the kids in their escape so Ray probably thought it was best to hinder the escape as much as possible or maybe he did it to try and pin suspicion of the traitor onto Don to make sure he won't be suspected.

>>148958217
>Oh shit, Mama Emma sounds weird
Sounds hot

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>>148959477
Ray was trying to frame Don. Norman somehow deduced this and we will know this next chapter.

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You fools!

Norman is the traitor.
He just wants to save emma and sacrifice everyone else.

He is also trying to pin the blame on Ray

>>148959570
I didn't know you had internet over there, Norman.

>>148958496
>Norman didn't actually tell Don and Gilda where the ropes were located
>He just told his plan to Emma and Ray

>>148959859
This makes perfect sense actually.

>>148959770
>we will know how*

>>148959859
With that level of planning, he would have made a great 'Mama'.

>>148959772
>He is also trying to pin the blame on Ray

By talking to him about it all alone? Not very efficient.
Let's be realistic.
>Mama is trying to find who went to the gate in chapter 3
>In chapter 4, Ray learns all about it
>since then, Mama hasn't tried anything again
>as soon as Norman starts thinking that Mama knows, Ray jumps to the worst possibility of a traitor that is willingly spying for Mama (because he knows it's the truth)

>>148960049
Add that Ray just accepted what they told him as if he knew it beforehand.

I honestly don't know what is going on anymore, i guess thateans the author got what it wanted.

>>148957883
I dunno, this relationship of Emma with Gilda seems kinda forced. They barely interacted during these 12 chapters. So, their friendship has no weight. It's hard to feel her concern. Everything happens so fucking fast.

>>148960174
>They barely interacted during these 12 chapters.
They interacted before the story began and didn't do much from chapter 1 onwards because Emma was busy with Norman and Ray, because you know, they all might get killed.

>>148960113
So he's been Mama's spy since the beginning? Perhaps he found before the demons before they did, and reached an agreement with her.

>>148960174
They lived their entire lives together, and she's kinda had other stuff going on the last 12 chapters.

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>>148960245
I agree, but it'd have been nice to see them interacting a bit more, nonetheless. So her friendship would have as much weight as Ray's apparent betrayal.

I wonder if we're going to get a timeskip at some point in this series once they escape. I doubt the manga would go all the way with them at 11 years old, right?

>>148960289
No, given the setting it's almost certain there will be a timeskip in the story, but it might right after escaping or several years from now.

>>148960289
>I doubt the manga would go all the way with them at 11 years old, right?
I think I'd like that a lot more. After all they will try to find the promised neverland after escaping. Wouldn't it be a lot more comfy if they struggle as kids and then get there, so that the rest of their childhood can be a good one?

>>148960381
I don't really have a preference, it's just speculation because of what's common in shounen mangas. I'd be okay with either, I think.

>>148958261
Sister Harambe has infrared predator vision??

>>148959859
He did both. The locations he told Ray about weren't the ones he told Don and Gilda about. God damn.

>>148960223
THIS >>148960283
>>148960245
If the story wants us to have emotional connection with the characters, the interaction must be explicit, not implicit.

>>148958496
assuming that Norman's not lying now, how many fucking ropes did this nigger make?

> where he actually told Don
> where he actually told Gilda
> where he told Ray he told Don and Gilda
> where he told Emma he told Don and Gilda
> where he actually put the real thing

>>148958232
>If you think Emma is lying to you, come back to me
Oh shit, Emma lying about the demons is gonna come back to bite them in the ass.

>>148960624
probably only 5.
it's implied he told Ray and Emma together, and I think his trust/love for Emma is actually legit.

There could be a 6th depending on whether he lied to them about the location of the "real" rope in the forest or wherever.

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My first prediction from the last thread came true. I am the prophet. Everything will come into place, you'll see.

>>148960803
>Norman
>dying

Please no, he's my favorite.

>>148960602
this is my biggest problem with this series: everything is summarized via text, the relationships are superficial.

for example: instead of seeing norman saying he loves emma, it would be much more interesting to see this being shown gradually through the narrative.

the author seems so concerned about the plan and the twists, that he forgets to develop properly the rest.

>>148958496
Is Norman confronting Ray with actual truth because he knows Emma would want to save him?
Is it possible somehow that Norman is the actual traitor and is trying to frame Ray as having framed Don?
Is Mom or NigSis just fucking with them all?

>>148958310
So is this his Ray's true motivation? He wants to be spared and doesn't mind if everyone else dies?

>>148960849
>main character
>kid
>dying in a shonen jump manga

c'mon, anon

>>148960891
I do think the chances are small but I'm a paranoid fuck.

>>148960879
But Ray knows that he's on the top list already for next quarter's delivery.

He's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late in the game to renegotiate his way out of this.
It's not like he could even get Mom to switch Don into his place, since the demons have all their test records already and they have big fucking tattoos on their necks.

>>148960878
We've seen too much of Norman's inner thoughts, he can't be the traitor unless he has a weird split personality or something.
And Mom is definetly fucking with them all.

>>148960923
I wouldn't mind. Really. The only character who does not look like a plot device is Emma.

>>148960997
It seems like Mom is subtly disobeying the demons' orders.
Sister notes that the "only the older girls can take care of the babies" is exclusive to this farm, and Mom is probably grooming Emma to be a Mom >>148957970

>>148960878
If norman was the traitor, why would he have gone to the gate with emma in the first place?

Also, he wouldn't confront ray privately if he was going to frame him.

>>148960997
This chapter litterally had mention about Mama wanting to make Emma the next successor. Clearly the Mama are still chosen among the top kids.

If Norman realized without any doubt that Ray is the traitor, why tell him? Isn't that the wrong thing to do?

>>148960289
For now I'm thinking no time-skip because of the Peter Pan theme the manga has.
But it's possible they will grow-up a bit over the course of the series. I think the three mains are supposed to turn 12 soon.

>>148961068
I'm honestly just biased since I like him.

>>148961101
You can't be a Mama if you have a dick though.

>>148961101
>had mention about Mama wanting to make Emma the next successor

that's Harambe's belief, not necessarily the truth.

>>148957896
This page looks amazing.

>>148961111
Depends what his next move is.

>>148961149
Who said there are no "papa"? And even if that's not the case, Isabella lied to Ray about it being a thing.

>>148961130
I think at some point it'll happen so they won't be at much of a disadvantage outside.

>>148961176
Murdering him right there on the spot?

>>148961200
Maybe but depending on the situation outside, they may also find adults willing to help them.

>>148961149
What if the dick is a feminine one?

Why does Managastream always release a bit after Viz? Do they recheck with the Viz Version if they got it right or what?

>>148961213
Or effectively neutering his ability to spy/attempting to turn him in to a double agent somehow

>the children are culled at the onset of sexual maturity
>sex makes humans taste bad
Orgy end confirmed.

>>148961244
Trapfags are gay, that's a fact.

>>148961111
>why tell him? Isn't that the wrong thing to do?

because his waifu told him she wants to save everyone, and he has to start rehabilitating Ray ASAP if he wants to have an iota of trust taking him with them.

>>148961176
Crushing the orphanage.

>>148961247
They use digital Jump raws for it which obviously come out on Monday.

>>148961241
Good point. I guess we're going to have to wait for them to leave in the first place before we start speculating that far.

>>148961101
Sister Crone notes that it's irregular

>>148960243
what if the agreement is that Ray, Emma and Norman will be spared?

>>148961294
Digital raws came out 16+ hours ago. Check the Jap time.

>>148961294
so the original scan sources just don't feel like providing PN raws yet?

after Nardo and Bleach died, what reason could they really have in not getting them?

>>148961262
This will trigger Norman's yandere, anon. I don't think he'd want to share.

>>148961290
>rehabilitating a traitor
Norman's waifuism will be his undoing

>>148961341
Emma has a lot of love to share with everyone.

>>148961346
This is still WSJ anon, this series can't be that pessimistic.
...right?

Anyone know what font(s) Viz uses?

>>148960878
in a whodunit, you don't see much of the perpetrator's inner monologue.

It can't be Norman or Emma if the author isn't going for a bullshit personality disorder end

>>148961394
If everyone else is dead, then he will have all of her love to himself.

>>148961340
Magazines scans are shit, so they bother with them only for very popular stuff where the demand is.

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>>148961394
>implying Norman would let her

>>148958496
My guess is Ray took the rope and tried to frame Don but neither is the spy. Why is Ray trying to frame Don? Because he still believes that every person that they bring will decrease their chance of survival so he's trying to get each child killed off.

>>148961068
Your opinion. I think he's great.

>>148961713
Nah. "Someone" left a message to Mama with the it's location so she took it.

But he may be trying to frame Don alright.

>>148958496
I thought about this possibility last chapter but I quickly dismissed it. Nice, I love the direction this is going.

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>>148961346
>Norman's waifuism will be his undoing
this.

>>148961870
Emma will be a top tier qt when she's older and he probably wants dibs on that.

>>148961424
They're lost money because they clinged to their good old shonen formula. They try more mature things now.

So Mom is trying to make Emma into the next Mama. Why? Does she actually like the girl? This is getting interesting.

>>148961713
Some people in 2ch think Ray is the traitor but his objective isn't to sell off Norman and Emma to Mama but rather make them give up on saving everyone.

>>148961756
What Ray did during the entire story besides talk about plans?
Btw, what Norman did during the entire story besides talk about plans?
Nothing.

These characters have no nuances. I mean, the manga is interesting because of the plot, but if you want me to worry and care about the characters, you need to give them more substance instead of make them merely plot devices.

>>148961974
I think he already sold them off but since Mom is trying to make Emma into the next Mama Mom must be using their own escape plan as a test for Emma's abilities.

>>148958496
Aaand dropped

>>148960891
>Norman
>main character
Emma is the main character, Norman and Ray might as well end up as her motivation for the future of the manga. Norman dies, Emma cries and vows revenge or some shit.

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>>148962112
nah, Mom's got upper management riding her ass about the deliverables, so Nig Sis is wrong on that line of thought.

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>>148961713
I think this is at least plausible, if not the most likely answer.

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>>148961513
Norman still appears to be genuinely drinking the waifu kool-aid.

>>148962159
see you next week

>>148961990
>What Ray did during the entire story besides talk about plans?
We just learnt he was a traitor and was probably lying all along.
>Btw, what Norman did during the entire story besides talk about plans?
He's been slowly losing his sanity because he can't reconcile his reason with his emotions (saving Emma and himself/keeping her happy). He also has a big complex regarding losing to Mama in the mindgames.

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>>148962112
We don't know for sure if Mama wants to make Emma her successor. The fact that she has the oldest girls helping the babies is probably a hint that she wants to groom a new Mama but no confirmation.
Besides, the conversation with "Grandma" means that the demons really need the three top children for their ceremony.

Norman is pretty set into the waifu mindset for an 11 year old kid.

>>148959859
Congrats, anon. You have the intellectual ability of a Mama.

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>>148958411
She's definitely not just being silly here, she's planning something.

Speaking of which, who is actually the traitor here tells us a lot about everyone's plans:
- If it's actually Ray then Mama could know, like Ray, that the rope under Norman's bed is there to test for a traitor. So if she took it that means she wanted to frame Don. I doubt Ray took it himself - what'd be the point of telling Mama then? This still doesn't tell us a lot about Ray's plans or motives but it does mean that Mama is either actually being fooled or has seen through the fact that this is a test because the rope is hidden under Norman's bed - he'd never be so stupid as to hide it there himself if it were the real thing and none of the kids she truly suspects are stupid enough to think that such a cheap attempt at framing Norman would actually work. Thus, the rope is a ruse to test for traitors amongst the ranks of the kids and she takes it even though she only got the note from Ray and he didn't give her any other information.

- Norman might have removed the rope himself to test Ray, which is why he's confronting him so brazenly. If Ray keeps denying then he's in the clear, but if he breaks under Norman's questioning about his motives and answers thereby admitting that he is a traitor Norman will have his answer too.

- If Norman is going for the "Fuck everyone, I'll save Emma even if she'll hate me for it!" route then he's either bluffing to maneuver Ray into a position where he'll distract Mama somehow by turning him against himself, or he wants to try to frame Ray to maybe strike a deal with Mama so that he and Emma (or maybe just Emma) will be allowed to escape, or something along those lines.

(cont.)

>>148959286
I think he is. He is putting himself in danger just for Emma. He is a traitor but he is doing it for her security.

I hope Crone helps the children escape with the ploy of making Isabella take the fall.

>>148962626
I always wanted to be a mama.

>>148962466
It starts early, that's why humans must be culled at an early age. Nothing good comes from them afterward.

>>148962892
Isn't it too late for him? He's already fallen enough to want a waifu.

>>148962728
- Also the possibility that someone else mentioned where Ray is framing Don in spite of not being the traitor since he doesn't think they'll all be able to escape with everyone so he's attempting to cut people off

- If Ray isn't the traitor and Norman genuinely believes this is evidence that he is the traitor then it's Mama messing with them. It could be that Krone discovered the ropes on her own (we've seen her looking about a lot in this chapter, after all) and slipped the paper to Mama. The location of 'Norman's Bed' for the rope is already interesting for Mama as detailed earlier, but what if she took it a step further and deduced that Norman would be exactly the kind of person to try and put ropes under his own bed to clear his own name because he knows that Mama is too intelligent to fall for a seeming framing attempt to obvious? In this case everything else that happens may be attributed to Mama messing with everyone.

- Emma herself is the traitor. No, seriously, hear me out. We've seen her in this chapter pacing around along the wall and counting steps, and Norman doesn't get why and somehow I doubt that it's a game, it has a purpose that she's not told Norman and possibly Ray, at least not yet. She's got a score of 300 herself, but she's been consistently lagging behind in the planning department to a really strange degree. It could be that her determination to save everyone is so great that she'd go for the risky and 'tough love' approach of making Ray and Norman clash or trying to frame either or both of them without even telling them, so that she'll be in a position to strike when Mama is truly convinced that she's on her side. This is only possible if Emma has deduced that Mama wants to make her into a new Mama though, which is actually pretty plausible considering that the hints for that would mostly be in private or close interactions between her and Mama over the course of years that Norman and Ray just weren't privy to.

>>148962112
Baseless as fuck. A kid who is supposed to be as smart as Ray would never, ever accept a deal with Mama when he knows the shit she did. She can't be trustworthy after that, especially when you aren't in a position of actually negotiating shit.

>>148963045
Emma was in her bedroom and then followed Gilda on the night Mama received the paper so it can't be her.

>>148963070
I bet Ray's a double spy, measuring the pros and cons of both sides, and seeing which one will be better for his survival. He had always been against bringing all the kids with him after all, above all he values his self-preservation.

>>148963045
>>148962728
We're getting into Death Note levels of keikaku and kids with crystal balls.

>>148963292
He has no reason to ever believe that Mama would save him, and only him. Especially since he knows about demons. No, if he is the traitor, it's only because he does not wish to save all the kids ; wants to get closer to Mama so he can disable the tracking device.

>>148958338
Norman will "betray" them. Emma will still believe in him and that's why he asks her that question. I think he had doubts about continuing with the plan because he didn't want Emma to hate him but this make out his mind. Norman isn't bad but he is the traitor, he will help everyone in the future but will stay behind this time.

>>148963045
- Finally, a combination of several of the above, which is what I hope and think will happen. At the very least Mama knows or suspects much more than we, Krone or the kids are privy to, which leads to a cavalcade of possibilities all on its own.

Honestly, I really love this twist. Even though there wasn't much to predict it off of (but there was something, at least this chapter, with Norman's conversation with Ray) it still makes sense in various interpretations and most of those interpretations are interesting routes to go with the story. I'm suspecting the next chapter(s) to have a lot of deliberate misdirection, so I'm not going to assume character's motives or plans or any facts about events until they've been actually undisputably shown to us.

Be serious guys. Neither Ray, Norman or Emma are spies. They are clever enough to believe Mama will never secure them protection, not them nor anyone. The "traitor" (that is clearly Norman) is trying to study Mama but putting himself in danger.

>>148962319
The problem is that this was portrayed superficially. For example: we know Norman is in love and concerned about Emma because he said it once or twice. And that's it. Same with Ray being the traitor, he lacks so much nuance that such revelation does not cause any surprise.The story does not give time to build these emotions and dramas properly. And why? Because the focus is only on the plans.

>>148963327
It was told that he loves her early on because it's an important point to get why he acts like he does.

It is shown that he loves her in scenes like this.
>>148958373
>>148958409

The focus is on the plans because obviously, the escape plot is the main point of the story right now. The mysteries and twists are what the writers want to develop and make the readers think about. They still sneak in some characters moments in the chapters.

>>148963775
I agree more focus can be put into character relationship and whatnot but I feel like Norman loving Emma is genuinely obvious even without his verbal confession of it.

>>148963475
>so he can disable the tracking device
Disabling the tracking devices is childplay. All you need is a helmet built like a faraday cage. He doesn't need to get close to Mama for stuff like this.

>>148963861
Yeah. Could Ray and Norman use more psychological depth? Sure. But Norman loving Emma is pretty well depicted.

>>148958373
>also...
A-also what, Emma

>>148960243
I can see surviving girls would be groomed to be mamas or livestock. What about the boys? Would they be used a studs? But only a few would be necessary

>>148963368
Hopefully the author has things better planned out. Death Note was written on the fly, and it showed.

>>148964140
We will find out what she told him when Norman stays behind.

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>>148958496
Something else I've noticed in the cover pages after reading this. Ray is always in the dark/shade not just because he is reading either. The first chapter, the color cover page spread, had him with his back facing away from everyone while everyone else is looking towards/facing the sun (save one kid looking at another character). In chapter 4 the cover page had him reading in the shadows with "Mother" walking away with two other kids. The chapter is called Optimal and shows how against he is with Norman and Emma's plan. He's rational as hell and Norman even says he "Ray always thinks AHEAD and finds the most optimal solution to things" In the chapter 6 cover page Ray looks angry rather than calm and collected like Norman...maybe from being betrayed?

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>>148964745
Also in the chapter 10 cover page, Ray is leading the kids down the spiral staircase that is broken off while Emma and Norman are going towards the light

>>148958496
>End. And I honestly love this series. The Cover Page art is always so amazing and these twist don't feel nearly as force as many of Kubo's twists felt or Ishida's do currently.
The Author has probably planned the whole thing out.

Or at least the big story beats.

>>148958496

Called it a couple of weeks ago desu

>>148965012
>>148964745
Yeah, I'm on in the theory that he's trying to "anonymously" sabotage Norman's plans so their chance of a successful escape gets higher.

>>148963819
>>148963861
>It was told that he loves her early on because it's an important point to get why he acts like he does.
Yeah, and my point is that it was too little, exists only to justify his escape actions. If the author wants the reader to buy the intensity of this feeling, he needs to develop it more. And I'm not talking about a romance arc or some shit like that, I talk about something simpler, like when that kid died would be nice to see a scene in which Emma was crying and Norman realized and hugged or held her hand. Just like that, without saying anything, we would have a powerful moment that would reveal not only the fragility of the character, but also his affection for her. The same happened in the previous chapter, it would be nice to see Emma and Gilda talking, acting like children, trying to forget the cruel reality. This is to create nuances. But the author because the author prefers to treat these moments quickly and superficially. His focus is only on the plans. And, again, when these moments are treated superficially, the characters become just plot devices.

>>148965295
>But the author prefers*

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>>148965295
>like when that kid died would be nice to see a scene in which Emma was crying and Norman realized and hugged or held her hand.

Wow. You just don't know how to pay attention, do you?

>>148961111
Because Ray is actually a good guy and is trying to use his position as a spy to save norman and emma.

>>148965432
I ship them pretty much. I hope Emma feels the same way.

What if those farms breed sacrifices to keep the Demons from eradicating Humanity completely?

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>>148966577
Maybe we have a Torchwood: Children of the Earth situation. Where the aliens threatened to destroy the world if the governments didn't give them a percentage of their children so that they can use them as drugs (seriously), which the British agreed to.

>>148957896
Nice page

>>148965488
I hope so too so we don't get silly romance drama. Just let it flow naturally.

>>148958496
Fucking hell

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Didn't you see it coming?

>>148967350
Man, Norman sounds legit yandere there.

Ray is the most logical of the trio, he knows that escaping with everyone is impossible, , especially with Emma being so emotional and Norman being in love with her,

So I think Ray is either
1 Doing whatever he can to survive now.
2. On the fence and jumping between both sides to make sure he is safe

>>148967350
So Norman is trying to get Emma to survive.

Maybe he even talked Mama into getting her started in the farming business.

Though then she would not have enough stock.

I wonder when the kids will take themselves hostage. ("I am damaging the goods, I am warning you.")

Looking back, I noticed that Ray was the one who pointed out to the others that the oldest book in the library was from 2015, and that therefore human civilization collapsed around then and now the whole world is monsters.
Did he just tell them that because he figured Norman would find out anyway? Was he genuinely trying to be helpful? Or did he tell them to see if Norman could deduce more things he couldn't since he's curious about the world too?

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>>148967886
I don't think so. He wants to save Emma but also want everyone to escape with her. He knows that will make her happy.

>>148968020
Thats the issue though. he wants to do it more because it'll make her happy. he might go nuts and decide its better to have her alive but sad and hating him than her dead, and thus sacrifice the rest

>>148968193
He is going to sacrifice himself instead of the other children. He just doesn't want Emma to hate him for what he is going to do. And she said she won't this chapter.

So:

>Ray could be trying to force them into a situation where they have to abandon the rest of the kids to escape, because he thinks that's the bet way to save the three of them.

>Norman could be trying to set up something where Emma has a 100% chance to survive; either becoming a Mama or putting her into a situation where she ends up being the only successful escapee.

>Ray could just be a traitor and was offered a deal to save his life, which if he's really rational he probably would take over the very plausible escape plan.

Next chapter will be Ray discovering Norman as the actual spy because he fell for his counter-ruse

But then no one is actually a spy and they're just rusing each other in an attempt to ruse Mama, and Don is the true spy because he's a filthy spic

>mfw tpn thread with 200 posts

>>148968623
Don's ethnicity is impossible to determine at the moment.

>>148968660
That twist gave us a lot to talk about.

>>148968660
Sounds promising.

>>148959570
Norman sit your underaged ass down

>>148960803
Ray to kill mama if it comes to it, like a redemption thing.

>>148968680
His skin is darker than most, that's more than enough proof

>>148969029
He could be Middle-eastern, Indian or Filipino for all we know.

>>148968288
I think the kids are too smart to realize mama will save anyone, maybe Ray since he didn't see the demons himself

>>148969215
I'm talking about being a traitor

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>>148957883
So what if Emma becomes demons

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>>148958062
>Emma telling the cold hard truth

>>148969648
Norman will have a demon fetish, of course.

>>148965432
But I was referring precisely to this kind of scene. The story needs more of it. For this reason I also mentioned the short scene with Gilda, that failed to have real meaning. So, if Ray is a traitor or not, I honestly don't care, because my emotional connection with him during the story was tiny, since 99% of the time his function was only to set plans and nothing else. In other words, the author didn't make the character feel real enough.

>>148970355
this is the era of shipping man. people will love the characters even if they have zero depth

>>148970527
I don't think that's what shipping means.

>>148970355

>The author didn't make the character feel real enough

From my perspective he is doing a fine enough job given the scenario.

To truly develop a character one needs to give the audience insight into that character's nature under various circumstances.

The given scenario doesn't permit that much play. They, and their path, are fixed. A fair trade for the sense of urgency, suspense, and drama doing so creates.

>>148961346
but when has a MC died in WSJ?

>>148970869
There is no sense of suspense, urgency or drama, if the storytelling is superficial. For now I can only see the characters as tools.

>>148971227
Death Note

I don't know what to believe in anymore

>>148971705
Believe in the SJ MC. Emma is the only one that isnt going to betray readers I think

Emma is so cute.

>>148971350

That's your problem then.

I'm seeing them as more than tools.

>>148958373
>>148958496
Ray has all of my sympathies. Because seriously, fucking Emma.

Speculah electric Boogaloo.

Mom's are also on the chopping block, depending on the quality of their kids.

Kids escaping could be a standard scenario facilitated by the environment.

Could also be a prequalification to mom.

The scores do not end at 300.

The implants allow absolute monitoring and other character traits are taken into account too.

The fence allows easy monitoring for personnel to determine if the kids are finally interested in breaking out.

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Who will win?

>>148972886
Butcher.

When will it turn in a battle shounen?

>>148973788
After Emma or Ray but (not) norman because he'll be dead get power from eating the flowers of their dead comrades

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>>148973845
>because he'll be dead

>>148974127
look at his death flags m8

>>148973845
>eat flowers from dead comrades
>gain powers, become more demonic
>realize that the demons are humans who eat humans
>"I REJECT MY HUMANITY"

>>148974684
He'll stick his middle finger up at them and survive like the best boy he is.

>>148974732
Emma wants to change the world remember

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>>148958496

We got played like a goddamn fiddle

>>148975696

Man I thought she was suspicious about the kids and their plans since Ray wasn't in his usual spot. Turns out she was wondering what he'd find out. Or is Norman the real spy? I completely believe he'd use some yandere tactics to ensure Emma's survival.

>>148975815
She didn't know it was Emma and Norman yet at that point

That's why she sent Ray to investigate

>>148958814
That's my read of it, too.

Framing of him in that page is set to make you distrust him.

I'm so happy this series isn't bombing in Japan and that it actually has a bright future ahead of it.
Did volume 1 get released yet? I'm curious what the cover would be

>>148961093
He's not framing Ray. He recognizes Ray is smarter than him, so he's using his superior knowledge of human thought to disrupt Ray's mentality.

"Ray, you're the traitor."
"What? How could you say that?"
"Long explanation of double blind test involved with the ropes."
"But I DIDN'T!"
"Well fuck you, the evidence points to you. I won't tell anyone else about this, because I think you are just scared and want to be safe, so I'll do you a favor and bring you along anyway. Trust in me."

It drives a wedge between Ray and the rest of the older children. Even if Ray sees through it later, as long as Norman leaked some of the information to the newer kids, it will further isolate his rival, thus sabotaging the escape.

>>148976120
how's the sales

>>148976861
I don't know since I'm not sure the first volume is even out yet, but it's ranking really well for a new series

>>148976120
First volume comes out December 2nd.

>>148958453
He's impressed that Emma has seen something neither he nor Ray have considered.

>>148965295
Quit being so anal in every thread, anon. It's just a dumb cartoon with keikakus, it's not going to have perfect storytelling techniques.

>>148967886
>Maybe he even talked Mama into getting her started in the farming business.

There was that bit about Emma hearing from Mama an explanation for the ear marks that makes it fairly improbable for Norman to have started the practice, at least. Since it happened really young and Norman and the others never heard of it. Not impossible.

There's something about Norman being the spy that doesn't make sense: Why he would tell Mama the rope is under his bed if Mama knows who the spy is? She would realize he is tricking her. Three options:
1) Mama doesn't know who the spy is.
2) There are two spies and Norman is confusing Mama.
3) Normal told Mama he changed sides. Maybe made a deal with her.

Now I was thinking that maybe Isabella wants to escape too.

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>>148958496
NANI?!

>>148979735
NANI!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pku-QTyFUZc

skip toward 7:30

>>148960460
nah, that's a trait among african tribal hunter. They pull that position in order to detect their prey's movement.

>>148958373
Emma is bae

>>148958496
WHAAAAAAAAAATT

that caught me off guard

>>148958852
Now do you feel in charge?

>>148957883
I hope this doesn't get cancelled

>>148985453
Its doing better then the other four new series

>>148957970
>Ray with a watch
Wait what?

>>148985453
Well, even Bleach, one of the Jump's big titles that is renowned throughout the world got axed. Japanese editors are some savages.

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>>148986742

Speedy Reader strikes again

>>148986612
That's good to know.

>>148986827
Bleach was trailing in the rankings for years. Under normal circumstances it would have been axed long ago, Kubo's lucky.

>>148957883
The children should stage a fight to disable the tracking devices. Not uncommon for there to be scrapes and cuts in a fight or hell even in their game of tag, a simple slip and fall from a rock and cut the ear. The tracking is insanely easy to disable

>>148975696
fuck man

>>148958496
So was Ray lying when he said that he had a way of getting rid of their tracking devices?

>>148988189
>tells mama to turn them off for X minutes
>Somehow proves Emma and Norman that they are off
>they fuck off
>mama turns them on whenever she wants to collect them again
Would be actually a genuine good plan

There's still several things they haven't brought up
>How are they gonna carry 8 babies
>How are they gonna deal with baby forumla
>Are they gonna take food supplies with them
>survival gear?
>what exactly is the plan once they escape?

Maybe Ray just hates niggers and wanted to ditch the spear chucker before they left so he he doesn't cuck him by getting the emma poon later on

>>148988307
The older kids can probably carry the babies on their back, using some of the table-cloth-ropes.
Emma wants to find a place where they will live in peace but that's pretty vague when we don't know what the outside world is like.
Norman mentioned wanting to leave as soon as possible because winter was getting closer but other than that, there's nothing about food and survival so how they're going to manage is hard to say.
Would be pretty ironic if they all manage to escape, only for the little kids to be so hungry, cold and afraid that they run away to come back to Mama.

>>148988448
The plan is pretty damn flawed
I can only see this series going forward with a handful of the kids getting out. That or they develop magic Shonen battle powers right before they leave, and then fight mom with psychic lightning or some gay shit.

>>148961713
>>148961807

Norman informed Ray that he told Don "It's under my bed"

But in reality, Norman told Don that the rope was hidden in another location. He probably told Gilda that the rope was in another location too.

So essentially, Ray is under the impression that for Gilda, the rope is in the bathroom, and for Don, the rope is behind Norman's bed.

Norman did this so that if the fake shit he planted in those locations were to ever disappear, then he would know immediately that it was Ray who dun fucked up.

That's how Norman knows it's Ray.

Also, Ray has no fucking reason to frame Don. There's no motive.

>>148988732
I think the best reason to frame Don is because they know one of them is a narc. If you are trying to throw suspicion off yourself just frame the nigger.

>>148988732
>There's no motive
Norman would get suspicious of him if it turned out neither Don or Gilda were moles, Ray did so in order to push any possible suspicion away from him and onto Don.

they being geniuses kind of killed the thing for me. I mean, I understand that this makes it easy to write, but also caused them to become too cold. the internal conflicts that anyone would have in such a situation were erased. they just go and do whatever they need to do without hesitation. I would like to see them missing the normal life they had. I would like to see them sad to leave the woman that one day they called mother. but they hardly show any emotion. It's more a puzzle manga than a survival manga.

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>>148958496
Damn, this manga is getting very good, i didn't expect to get so thrilled by a shonen jump manga

>>148990065
>but also caused them to become too cold
Only Norman and Ray are cold. Emma is clearly very emotional about all this.
They're not sad about leaving Mom because they see Mom as an enemy. And who's to say once they do inevitably escape they won't be extremely sad and miss their simple happy life?

I wonder if the talk Norman had with Emma is him just being genuinely curious about how she'd act or a reassurance that she would forgive him and he wouldn't lose her if he's the traitor.

I hope he's not, though.

>>148990065
Reread the first few chapters, there's multiple instances of Emma feeling crushed by the truth about Mama and even a few with Norman (like the part where his hands are shaking)

>>148957896
Damn this artist does good cover/title pages

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>>148958496

>>148991241
Brilliant.

>>148991241
Yandere confirmed.

>>148991241
What a cliffhanger.

>>148991241
kek

>>148990434
>They're not sad about leaving Mom because they see Mom as an enemy.
If I knew that my mother, who took care of me for years, was a villain, I would be confused as hell, a mix of sadness and anger. even more if I were a child. but instead they accepted all too easy, as if they already had everything under control. after the first two chapters, there was not much hesitation or despair. I just hope that if ray is really the traitor, their minds become more chaotic. you are trying to run away from monsters, damn it, not just playing hide and seek.

>>148992036
>but instead they accepted all too easy
Seeing your sibling dead in front of you and then seeing your mother working with her murderers (also, the murderers are giant demons) will do that to you.
And there clearly is sadness and anger, they're just doing their best to not show it in front of Mom.

>>148991241
I actually have a theory that Ray is also in love with Emma, but like mama and Norman have said, he thinks ahead but at the same time he gives up easily if he doesnt find a solution. What if Ray is betraying them with the promise of sparing Emma life?

>>148991241
lel

>>148988548
no matter how great the kids are, they are still kids, they are only focusing on escaping the place now that they know is controlled by the "enemy", things like food and supplies arent in their plan, probably they arent thinking as straight they want to think they are because of fear/sadness/anger/etc

So the rankings for the series are 4 - 6 - CP - 4 - 4. This shit won't get axed anytime soon.

>>148992874
I hope he's not because we don't need love triangles any time soon.

How would you rate Nigga Sister and Mama as Antagonists?

I have a theory. The reason why the black mama noted the odd rule is because the rule was made up. Mama pricked the ear of the baby to throw off the kids of the true location if the tracker.

>>148994641
You mean this? >>148957970
No, she says it quite clearly herself. The rule doesn't exist for any of the farms, Mom made it up, which Krone speculates is because she's grooming them to possibly be a Mom in the future.
And it's quite clear that they have the tracker in the ear, they themselves can feel it by touching around their earlobes.

Wtf I hate niggers now.

>>148994159
I can't see mama in an antagonistic light yet.
Krone was being too straightforward and forceful in a series about keikakus, so 4/10

>>148958232
>>148958284
I wonder why they don't have washing machines or dryers. Would make things a lot easier.

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who /anna/ here

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>>148996163

>>148996163
If she ever does anything important, I might be

I want to hug and protect Emma.

>>148990065
Oh you're back.
The point about the genius is that if they were not, they'd be dead already. Everyone would be questioning how the fuck 10yos are playing 4d chess with an adult and winning.
No, that's not a challenge to overcome with "good writing", it's just stupid. It would be right up there with Squirrelgirl defeating Thanos (but that one is a joke).
Furthermore, you're getting all you ask for but you refuse to see it because HURR GENIOUSES DROPPED.