Has KyoAni lost its animating touch?

Wow, so sakuga. Sasuga.

>>148803057
Top looks like shit
Bottom is yuri so it's ok.

>>148803057
Holy shit that top one looks like garbage

>CGI garbage
>sakuga

MUH MITSUO ISO

>>148803057
But it's just the usual kyoani animation.

>>148803239
The one using CGI is that webm is Hibike though

>>148803275
Is this some Daesh bullshit?!

>>148803057
kViN was a mistake

>>148803275
WAIT FOR POKEMON SUN AND MOON ANIME, YOU'LL LOVE IT!

Sakuga? More like sabuga or is it sasuga?

>>148803057
>two best series of the season
>then some retard who doesn't understand priorities in animation starts up fanbase wars
Fuck off. Abandon thread, waiting for a proper one.

>>148803524
DAFUQ IS kVin?

>studiofags wars bait thread
Kill yourself

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Did KyoAni ever have an animating touch? I've never seen them do something as technically impressive as this for example.

>another studio wars thread

why

>>148803591
eCeleb, sakugafags love to suck his dick.

>>142948829
>>142948885
>>148800926
how is 2ch now?

>>148803627
Oh geez, a movie can produce good sakuga. Surprised.

>>148803633
Just like the game studio threads.

>>148803709
KyoAni movies are marginally better than your average TV anime, though.

>>148803725
*on /v/

>>148803709
>>148803726
please kill yourself

>>148803725
A-are you telling me /a/ really is just /v/ - anime now?

Looks like I triggered some KyoAni fans.

>>148803777
Just pointing out the similarities.

>>148803057

They clearly just have different priorities. Kyoani seems to have a strong interest in depicting everyday life in an intricate but unhurried way; meanwhile those animators for the top show clearly had a wildly different set of priorities for creating a totally different type of experience.

Kyoani's doing good work these days, but it's obviously not the only work happening.

>>148803057
Ok. I only realized this with that webm.
The "getting-up then running then stumble a little and getting back to running" sequence is really common in fight scenes sakuga.

I'm not really complaining.

>>148803869
So KyoAni is focusing more on subpar character animation and blured backgrounds?

>>148803937
Sure, whatever.

>>148803820
NO LAW ALLOWED, INCLUDING THE LAW OF PHYSICS.

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Why do anime fans have their own term for 'full animation'?

Why don't you just call it full animation?

>>148803937
BECAUSE SCREW PHYSICS, THEY HAVE POWER!

>>148804009
What's that term they use for full animation?

>>148804059
Sakuga.

>>148804012
*Physics in this sense means audience perception aka the law.

I love Flip Flappers and the OP is a faggot.

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>>148804097
Sakuga is animation that stands, it has nothing to do with the number of frames used. For example that animation you posted stands out compared to this one even though they're both 24frames per second

>>148804131
Flip-flappers, the official footwear of 2016.

>>148804181
Oops.

I'll be waiting for Flip Flappers to even come close to this
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/16157/animated-artist_unknown-cgi-hair-hibike-_euphonium

>>148804152
Sakuga is literally just the Japanese term for animation.

>>148804152
>it has nothing to do with the number of frames used
That has nothing to do with animation being FULL.

>>148804294
>is this anime or is this real life
kek, fucking sakugafags

>>148804324
Literally no, 作画 means drawing a picture or taking a photograph literally.

>>148804393
Yes, full animation means 1 individual drawing per frame, which is usually 24 when it comes to animation.

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>>148804009
Why wouldn't people who call cartoons "anime" call full animation "sakuga"?

Why are people saying this is a studio wars thread? This is really just Flip Flappers vs Hibike thread.

Nobody would actually insist on pitting 3Hz as a studio against Kyoani. They've done like 6 total productions and all of them are shit except FLFL.

>>148804489
No, it does not.
Full animation is the term used to refer to an ENTIRE character moving versus limited animation being just a piece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_animation

>>148804523
Also people who call videogames anime

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>>148803057
The bottom is just normal animation? Why am I taking bait anyways

作画 means making drawings. It's used to refer to the quality of animation in general. Not just how fluid it is and whether or not it has no still frames etc.

That said KyoAni has never been known for animating good dynamic scenes. People like its animation mainly because the character design is top tier, the background is beautiful and there is consistency in quality. Similarly I don't find Ufotable's animation of battle scenes too impressive either other than that they have good and consistent quality throughout.

keep this /v/ cancer away from actual anime discussion "kudasai"

>>148804540
No, limited animation is one individual drawing every other frame or more, reusing them to save time and budget. It has nothing to do with how the realistically character moves.

>>148804533
Now this evolved into a war between animation styles.

>>148804630
Tell that to the KyoAnifags who think their studio makes the best sakuga in the industry for some reason.

>>148804755
Is JC Staff the anime empire?

>>148804755
In TV anime there is no one that even comes close

>>148804294
>those comments

>>148804804
Flip Flappers and Occult 9 are literally blowing Hibike the fuck out in both consistency and sakuga.

>>148804400
>kek
Kill yourself.

>>148804840
weak bait

>>148803057
Keep trying harder every day, my friend.

>>148804855

Sakugabooru is owned by literal KyoAnus lickers, just in case you claim something like 'they favor fight scenes'

https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Occultic%3BNine
https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=flip_flappers
https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=hibike%21_euphonium_2

>>148804540
You're an idiot
Even that wikipedia page disproves you.

>>148804896
WTF IS THAT TERM?!

>>148804896
>Sakugabooru
lol who cares? Think for yourself you dumb retard.

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>Kyoani vs Gainax
>Kyoani vs Madhouse
>Kyoani vs Shaft
>Kyoani vs Trigger
>Kyoani vs Shinkai
>Kyoani vs 3hz

No other studio or fanbase is this hated.
It really makes you think.

People sure are warming up to this 'sakuga' word.

>>148805062
Don't forget KyoAni vs PA.

>>148805021
Sakugabooru is a website dedicated to sakuga, people upload sakuga scenes from anime. Look at the videos and tell me Hibike 2 is actually better than either Flip Flappers or Occultic 9 animation-wise.

>>148805125
WHY IS IT ALWAYS THOSE TWO ANIME?! WHY NOT SOMETHING ELSE?

>>148804630
>That said KyoAni has never been known for animating good dynamic scenes.
>One of the animators from Akira works at Kyoani
>had a hand in animating Chuunibyou

Yeah, I don't fucking think so.

>>148805163
Kigami is low tier as far as A-lister animators go.

>>148805125
>Sakugabooru is a website dedicated to sakuga, people upload sakuga scenes from anime
Again, who cares? I guess something just can't be sakuga if some autist hasn't uploaded it to sakugabooru, the only arbitrator of animation quality in the universe.

>>148803057
This is really weak bait. Also, that's not even pitting the best against the best.

>>148805163
Kigami is overrated, his scenes in Akira are nothing compared to the most impressive scenes done by Inoue, Okiura or Utsunomiya for instance.

Will you fucktards stop leaking out of your containment board?

It's like I can't browse 4chan for FIVE FUCKING MINUTES without someone posting a "LE EBIN S4S IRONIC MAYMAY XD". Your dipshits are like a fucking EBOLA epidemic, as soon as one shitposter posts anything even remotely related to /s4s/ another 500 crawl out of the woodwork as start spamming, checking dubs and posting unfunny pictures of shit "memes" that don't even make any fucking sense. And can we talk about /s4s/'s memes for a second here? It's amazing how the board most obsessed with memes has failed to produce even one meme that isn't complete and utter garbage. The closest thing you cocksuckers had to an actual successful meme was topkek, and even that was ripped off ylilauta. And when was that? Two years ago? What actual real memes did /s4s/ produce since then? Just a whole bunch of frankly quite boring pictures with zero humor or exploitability. It's no wonder that nothing from this self-declared "OC factory" ever actually spreads to other boards. This is painfully pathetic to watch. Most of you aren't even being ironic anymore. Some of you actually actually come here and in full sincerity participate in this circlejerk. You excuse your actions by saying mindbogglingly idiotic shit like "this is like old /b/! lel so random", but guess what retards: I've been on 4chan since 2006 and this place is nothing, NOTHING like old /b/. Fucking STOP SAYING THAT YOU PIECES OF SHIT. That's outright OFFENSIVE to anyone who's seen what pre-2007 /b/ looked like. You nuggets of cancer perfectly embody everything that KILLED old /b/. It's like someone took the 2008-era cancer, took THE VERY WORST PARTS of it, concentrated it to 200% levels and then wrapped it in a painfully thin veil of "irony".

You know? I'm ain't even mad. Let this be a containment board for you newfags and ledditors. I honestly don't have the energy to care about anything that happens on this website anymore. Just wanted to say fuck you. Bye.

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>>148805228
Alright then, show me a better animated scene from Hibike S2.

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Don't listen to whatever "message" this webm is trying to tell. I've seen these things before.

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>>148805299
Gen'ichirou Abe >>>>>>>>>> Yoshiji Kigami to be quite and completely honest. KyoAni has good consistency but even SHAFT blows them the fuck out when it comes to technical prowess.

I don't understand why OP started this thread or what their intention is? Both shows are nicely done and both teams working on it are talented.

Both shows have a different style and aesthetic. Kyoani's is going for a semi-realistic style while Flip Flappers is going for something way more stylized. Also, let's not kid ourselves here. I'm pretty sure the people at 3Hz wish they could afford to churn out the quality of work that Kyoani does on a consistent basis.

>>148805400
>mfw mobfags blown out the fucking water

FlipFlap sakuga show of the year hands down bar none

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>>148805639
I don't think we're watching the same Hibike. It's riddled with low quality animation. It's obvious the production was rushed in favor of Koe no Katachi

>>148805605
I love both Shaft and KyoAni, but this statement is horseshit and you know it.

>>148805639
Of course, who wouldn't want to regularly make millions off of filtered photographs?

>>148805605
Prism Nana isn't released until now, what happened?

>>148803582

Sakuga talk pretty much just seems to be another thing that comes down to stupid studio wars now.

>>148805605
Nah, Abe's action animation is too smeary nor is his character animation as good as Kigami's. While Abe is no newbie, he's young enough to come from a generation of animators who are best animating flashy scenes but lack the technical polish to do sequences requiring nuance.

>>148805711
Agreed!

>>148805711
What statement? Abe being better animator than Kigami? That's pretty much a fact. And for that reason and also that they use freelance animators, SHAFT animation peaks are higher than KyoAni's.

>>148803777

Its all about starting fights and being mad now yeah. Also blatantly shilling is apparently totally fine now too with some of the ">>148803820
generals"

Whew, I'm done with this site. I will never come back, the stress is too infuriating.

>>148805801
I never saw Kigami as a proficient character acting animator.

>>148803777
He's telling you that we have too many /v/ crossboarders

>>148806281
Still better at it than Abe at any rate.

>>148806470
True that

>>148806261
See you tomorrow!

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>>148803057
What an unbiased comparison

>>148803627
Same reason modern American animation is usually so fluid; shit character designs are easier to animate.

>>148803777
Hey, it's already plebbit; just with anonymity and even less restraint.

>>148806911
American animation nowadays is done with puppetering software that makes automatic tweening. That's why it's fluid

>>148805062
Yeah, that kyoanus cultists are insecure assholes who love dishing it but get really autistic when it comes back.

>>148806261
Are you okay Anon?

>>148806828
Try find me a decent looking sakuga scene from Hibike S2, I dare you.

>>148805703
what the fuck is the problem? this looks better than 95% of anime

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Inu Curry are the real sakuga.

Just too nips reviving the essence of Russian and Czech animation studios and blending it with Japanese animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2KhA1Y1Dk

>>148807268
No it doesn't, anon.

>>148804582
There's something wrong with the background.

>>148803057
Why would anyone spend any time on doing this webm?

>>148804582
This is literally the only decent scene for Hibike, Flip Flappers surpassed Hibike as a whole during the first 10 minutes of episode 1.

>>148807307
The digital composite isn't quite as fluid as your eyes feel it should be. All of the characters are animated on a plane separate from the background and then composited digitally, but it seems like the plane or perspective that the characters were animated to be moving along doesn't quite fit with the background that was drawn.

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>>148807303
yes it does you fag lord. Hibike looks great compared to everything else

>>148807357
look how many replies this thread got

>>148803057
>TOP IS CLEARLY AN ACTION BASED SHOW
>BOTTOM IS SLICE OF LIFE
WHAT THE FUCK ANON SERIOUSLY

>>148807071
It's interesting because they never want to compete against Sunrise or Toei.

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>>148807370
Nice bait. Try posting a sakuga scene from Hibike 2

>>148804582
I really like how KyoAny have the consistency and control on how they draw faces on angled view.

For instance at 0:07 to 0:10, you will really see how curved and angled the view is on her face.

>>148807368
Thanks anon, the same happened to me when watching Brave witches.

>>148807426
I tried to watch that anime. I gave it 10 mins, but then I dumped it. I see no value in its story telling.

>>148803777
More like /v/ going nostalgic and trying to simulate something that's typical there here.

>>148807426
>swinging the knife
Why the fuck would you do that

>>148807496
Just like Hibike has no value in animation.

>>148807496
This thread is about animation. There is no value in the story telling of flip flappers or hibike either.

>>148807524
Boys just want to have fun

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>>148807426
https://youtu.be/tS4W1sad9gA
>no sidemouth
>filters that actually look appealing
>characters look fine even in long range shots
>everything looks detailed especially in 1080p
literally every Hibike episode is movie tier quality

>>148805400
That looks like shit.

>>148807526
That's just factually incorrect though

I wasn't aware Euphonium could have sakuga since it's a show about high school girls in a band. It's not Dragon Ball for fucks sake, you can only do so much until it just looks forced and overly elaborate.

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>>148807618
>Flapping mouths is now sakuga according to KyoAni fags.

Try again.

>>148807690
Prove me wrong. I've been telling you all to post actual Hibike S2 sakuga.

>>148805694
Any of Mob's glass painting or charcoal animated scenes are better than that by miles.

>>148807809
You seem to lack an eye for subtlety. Posting any more would just be futile for such an undeveloped mind.

>>148807747
The more difficult and meaningful animation is found in non-flashy character acting.

>>148807809
B-but I thought only garbage-tier studios like SHAFT used flapmouth!

>>148804324
great, now try to imagine that context exists in other languages

>>148803777
Probably worse if you add nigger speak.

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>>148807747
See

>>148807809
>>148807426

Or watch Hyouka or even K-On S2, you can have sakuga in SoL shows in the form of character acting.

>>148803185
>implying the top one isn't yuri
>ignoring the bottom one going full hetshit
wew

>>148807907
Post Hibike S2 sakuga.

>>148803057
Better question: why does sakuga attract so much cancer?

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>>148807935
>>148807985

>>148808171
There isn't any just as I thought.

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>>148804009
>posting Richard Williams' stuff like it's the norm for Western animation

>>148808224
please teach me the fine art of shitposting. you seem to have mastered it

>>148808224
You're really desperate to have someone take your shitty bait. Next time try to contain your shitposting until someone actually bites or you will spook your prey!

>>148808224
No Flip Flappers scence can compare to this:
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/26086/animated-artist_unknown-character_acting-hair-hibi

>>148808279
Will do but first post a Hibike 2 sakuga scene

>>148808302
Is this the best you got? Characters aren't even moving.

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KyoAni fans getting triggered ITT.

Why is it that every time they're proven wrong they resort to ad hominem?

>>148806949
It should be a lot less plebbit here now that Re:Zero and mob are done.

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Posting hibike sakuga

>>148808487
ISIS DETECTED

>>148803057
they both are based

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>>148804012
>kyoanus
>physics

Occultic is 3DCG with filters animated heads. Toei does the same tech for their Tiger Mask W wrestling scenes (does a better job too)

>>148808756
NO YOU ARE A FASCIST.

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>>148808783
And Hibike 2 is badly drawn character with flapping mouth animation.

>>148808822
DID YOU GUYS EVER WATCH NICHIJOU?

If you want awful looking animation with a 'high framerate' and 'lots of movement' then there's a perfect board for you

>>>/co/

>>148808865
What does Hibike S2 having godawful animation have to do with Nichijou?

>>148805400
finally DBS got some decent animation

>>148808928
Nichijou is the best anime ever.

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everyone itt please think twice before posting something mean about another anime that you haven't seen just because the person who posted it said something mean about what you like

>>148809094
Why did you post Hitler tho?

>>148809154
I like Hitler

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I was once told KyoAni do great character acting animation, but I've never seen them achieve something as impressive as this. Most of their 'character acting' scenes are medium and close up shots, which are much easier to pull off, unlike full body movement

>>148809184
good taste

>>148807281
have they made anything since 2013?

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>>148809154
>needing a reason to post hitler

Guys, wait until you see the Pokemon Sun and Moon anime. I bet you don't even know what it is but, many hate the new animation.

>>148809184
Mussolini is objectively better.

>>148809361
>didn't even manage to escape to argentina

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IS THIS ALL YOU WANT?!

>>148809191
>rotoscoping
wow impressive

>>148809191
I think Full Metal Panic had some good stuff, but it's been a while since I watched it.

>>148803057
Is this really a KyoAni sakuga?

Looks like the average animation quality.

>>148809582
Hibike S2 hasn't really had any sakuga yet, and the average animation quality looks subpar considering it's them.

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>>148809465
No just Takeshi Hondaing. He has more talent in one finger than the entire animator rooster of KyoAni.

NON ONE BEATS JC STAFF, GO HOME LOL

>>148809732
I mean no one

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>>148804009
sakuga ≠ animated on 1sterrace boulevard

Reminder Hyouka is still the best work KyoAni has ever done.

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/8722/animated-artist_unknown-fabric-hair-hyouka

>>148809670
>talent
>can't even draw a nice looking girl

Gee, I'm impressed.

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>>148809913
>implying anime trash will never surpass THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBgKLSlfrTI

>>148810069
I implied no such thing

>>148810069
>Dated CG.

Lol, Ghibli did 100000x times better with Nausicaa years before.

>>148803057
>that random jerky movement in Hibike where characters randomly move upwards/downwards
The fuck? What happened in KyoAni?

>>148810247
Everything after Hyouka and before K-On S2 has been absolute garbage when it comes to animation. Don't let the lickers fool you, they don't make better looking and more consistent anime than 95% of the shows out there like they so like to claim. KyOAni is a very subpar studio

>>148810247
Deaf Note happened.

With that grimderp human typewriter movie they're doing, you can expect more QUALITY to come.

>>148810227
nice reading comprehension, autist.

>>148810247
HelixSnake happened.

CARTRIDGE TILTING IS STILL THE BEST ANIMATION.

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>>148803057
>Comparing Flip Flop to AOTY
Check your bad taste on yuri, senpai

>>148810376
Just comparing their animation, but you're right Hibike 2 doesn't have any so I don't really see the point.

>>148805299
To be honest his Macross works are even better than his Akira but he's up there with the best of them. See his Koe no Katachi cuts and say that he's low tier again.

>>148806281
Again see his Koe no Katachi cuts. Or wait for its release and see it then. His scenes(storyboards + key animation) are DYRL tier.

>>148805694
I love Flip Flaps but Mob's animation blows it out of the water

>>148805062
When has SHAFT produced anything inspired and heartwarming

>>148810898
You meant Gen Urobuchi?

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>>148810898

>>148810930
Saya no Uta is very inspired and heartwarming

>>148810930
He did write a healing story.

About healing a horribly designed universe.

>>148811022
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>148805062
Success breeds jealousy.

>already gave up on the Shaft vs Kyoani war so its the 3hz vs Kyoani war now

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>>148810898
kaze hikku no~

kaze hikku no~

>>148811063
>anything I disagree with is shitposting
I'm serious. It's a good love story with strong themes.

isn't sakuga an action/fighting thing? why are people expecting sakuga in a slow SOL like Hibike? That would be completely out of place

>>148805400
Too but it looks like garbage

>>148811058
If it isn't heartwarming and uplifting to give comfort to thousands if not millions of suicidally depressed, mindbroken girls, I don't know what is.

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>There are people willing to watch an entire show just for the "quality" of the animation
You are the equivalent of the graphics>gameplay faggots killing the game industry

Please delete yourselves from existence

>>148811162
Sakuga is animation that stands out from the average. Character acting is in SoLs what stands out the most >>148803627 and some say it is even harder to pull off than the typical weightless and blobby fight scene sakuga.

>>148811188
>video game analogy
Maybe you should go back to /v/ you dumb cunt. We are talking about the animated medium here, animation quality had damn well be important otherwise it's a failure to utilize the medium well.

>>148811073
They even tried to make Hibike/Hyouka vs. Urusei Yatsura a thing in the last old vs. new thread.

>>148811307
kinda surprised they havent tried a Yuri!! on Ice vs Hibike thread yet, Mappa would actually win that one

Art direction and detail > Animation Quality

>>148811340
Yuri on Ice was terrible last episode. Some of the skating scenes were an absolute mess.

>>148811070
I dunno; the anus coven seems to be pretty damn insecure making circlejerk bait threads every day.

>>148811340
Flappers also has better animation than free on ice though. In before normalfags bawwwwwww

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>>148811340
Win what? In the QUALITY department?

Yuri on Ice episode 2 and specially 3 have been awful. And are you somehow implying that Flip Flappers is not winning against Hibike when it comes to sakuga?

>>148811290
It's just as valid analogy as saying you are judging a book by its cover, visuals are very important to a certain degree, but not the main component of any cartoon, video game, movie, etc. Putting so much praise on visuals is the cancer killing all forms of media nowadays

>>148811377
>Detail
If I wanted "detail" I'd go read manga. Animation needs richness of movement, not over-designed characters moving stiffly. Simple and rough drawings with lively animation beats detailed drawings with stiff movement any time.

>>148811188
You show a fundamental lack of understanding when saying that to be honest. The thing with good animation is the most unique and creative shows tend to have it where as the garbage dozen a dime trash with no creativity never have it.

>>148811439
That would be implying that visuals are the icing on the cake and not the main content. That is simply wrong. Visuals are what defines this particular medium and animation that fails to provide engaging visuals and animation is a waste and you'd be better off reading a book instead.

>>148811290
>medium well
>not medium rare
shit taste desu

>>148811439
>It's just as valid analogy as saying you are judging a book by its cover
No, it's completely different and the rest of your post is equally wrong but you wouldn't understand why anyways. Now go back to your cesspit of a board.

>>148811468
Absolutely wrong, there are excellent fan service anime with garbage just about everything else.

>>148811531
>eating steak uncooked
Well-done is the only way to go.

>>148811439
Nah you really don't get it. Animation is fundamental to anime like gameplay is fundamental to a game. The cancer are people who don't care about animation and just want the designs to be as complex as possible for the sake of cute girls to fap too.

wtf I hate Kyoani now

>>148811583
Go to JC Staff

>>148811510
>Visuals are what defines this particular medium
If everything were adaptations I would sort of agree with you, except there are many original shows with various degrees of quality not only in animation but everything else. Your generalization is not only wrong and ignorant, but insulting to the entire medium.

>>148810301
Are you kidding me?
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/22494/animated-artist_unknown-dancing-presumed-smears-sp
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/22485/animated-artist_unknown-character_acting-fabric-ha

>>148811188
you're retarded. there is a difference between considering animation an important aspect and the sole determining factor.

>>148811684
Compare it to this and end your life>>148803627

>>148811533
Maybe you could at least try to give a shit argument instead of blaming the /v/oogeyman, you retarded piece of shit

IS JC STAFF THE BEST ANIME STUDIO?

>>148811775
No

>>148811739
Are you baiting? That link is garbage compared to Pinocchio so we might as well dismiss it?

>>148811768
You're dumber than a fucking cockroach. I have nothing to say to you.

>>148811674
He is right though, you cant make a the very best anime without good animation. If your anime could have been presented in another medium just as well or better it has failed to exploit the potential of anime and thus cannot be the best.

>>148811811
It's called having a standard, your Tamako Flop Story webms don't even come close to it.

>>148811846
Anime doesn't come close to Pinocchio so they're garbage?

SCREW ALL OF YOU RAILDEX IS ONE OF THE BEST.

>>148811568
I'm talking about quality of visuals, which are definitely very important to any form of media, but saying they are fundamental to such a degree (only watching it for the "sakuga") is all sorts of wrong

>>148811898
So you'd agree that people claiming gameplay is all that's fundamental to games are equally wrong because you're otherwise a hypocrite

IS SILVER LINK THE BEST ANIME STUDIO

>>148811898
No not really, some people just enjoy animation, to you an abstract animation would have no value what so ever I suppose and watching different walk cycles out of context would not be enjoyable at all? People are looking for different kinds of enjoyment. Sakugafags aren't the cancer killing anime because there are only about 10 of them and the standards are pretty fucking low in anime for good animation already so a bit of encouragement to do better could go a long fucking way. There isn't a horde of casuals that just care about graphics like with gaming. The people who really appreciate animation in anime tend to be the most passionate and knowledgeable about the industry and the medium.

>>148811845
You can have an excellent anime with "bad" animation because as any other visual medium the quality of it is subjective to its time, budget, style, technology, trends, etc. It's an ever evolving form of entertainment that you will never be able to objectively judge solely by its appearance

>>148811898
Animation is a fundamental portion of the animated medium though. What gameplay is to video games is the same as animation to the animated medium. To dismiss animation as an ancillary portion is what's wrong here.

>>148811989
LOL NO JC STAFF

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>>148811886
No, just your webms, the character animation in these is great for example, >>148803627 >>148809191 >>148809670 >>148807426 >>148807935 they just lack the fluidity of Pinnochio or other golden era Disney movies. But the technical prowess is still there, can't say the same about the mediocre and boring medium shots KyoAni uses with their character acting, conveniently cutting out part of the body to make it easier to animate or animating in 1 point perspectives like the true amateurs they are.

>>148811950
Gameplay is fundamental to games as plot is fundamental to any story, animated or otherwise.

>>148812004
You sound like you are someone who believes that 2D animation somehow magically improves over time. That's bullshit, Disney was doing shit much better than anime with any amount of technological progress in the 1920s. Bad animation is bad animation no matter when it was made, there isn't some trend of animation quality increasing over time like 3D graphics. The quality of 2D animations are down to the skill of the person holding the pencil.

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>>148803057
there's literally zero room for comparison here because the shows are nothing alike.

why do the mods allow such shitty threads to exist. god, fuck these forced studiofagging threads.

>>148812101
Animation is animation. Flip Flappers has, tied with O;9, some of the best this season, while Hibike has mouth flapping and QUALITY.

>>148812101
Yeah, especially that this turned into a free for all fight.

Writing > voice acting > OST > visuals

Anyone who disagrees is a pleb dumbass who is easily impressed by something just because it looks pretty

>>148811992
Abstract animation would be just that to me, an animation, just as a painting or sculpture is just that, I'm not going to judge any of those based on the same premises I would judge a TV show.

Standards are fucking low because people keep buying shit just because it looks good and gives them a boner, sakugafags might not be the biggest cancer but they are still part of the problem.

FF sucks, stop. Is Rolling Girls popular? No so enjoy what you got now.

>>148812242
We're talking animation here, not plot. Flip Floppers might suck but it still kicks KyoAni's ass when it comes to sakuga.

>>148812271
JC Staff is still the best tho.

>>148812211
>people keep buying shit just because it looks good
If that's the case Space Dandy would've sold well. Anime casuals don't really give a shit about animation.

>>148812082
Never said that, in fact I believe as technology progresses everything from CG to traditional animation tends to look worse.
I'm talking about style and execution, what might be considered good looking today won't necessarily be regarded as such in the future

>>148812134
Why did you use an "O" instead of a zero?

>>148812306
Space Dandy didn't sell well because it wasn't otaku bait nor did it pander hard enough to fujos.

>>148812174
I'll just dismiss the hundreds of hours directors, key animators, color designers, art directors, photography directors and background artists pour into the work because it's all superficial style over substance xD

>>148812211
>Standards are fucking low because people keep buying shit just because it looks good
No they don't, having good animation does not sell anime, literally no casual gives a fuck about that. Casuals care about cute girl character designs, most anime fans will notice character designs but never good animation and only care when the animation is noticeably bad. Sakuga has literally nothing to do with the problem.

What about Brave Witches?

>>148804009
>posting a movie so ambitious it never got finished properly

>>148812211
No these:
>writing > visuals
> lol QUALITY
>dude budget
>dude studios
>I divide anime into separate categories: plot, character, soundtrack, visuals
>I engage with media in the most literal way possible
Are the cancer that is killing anime

>>148812452
I would say character design is an important aspect of animation quality, otherwise they wouldn't look so cute.
Waifu-bait is a totally different kind of cancer that goes back to printed visuals and video games themselves, and is not necessarily related to a TV show selling well or not.
The problem with sakugafags is that they are willing to put so much praise on the visual aspect of any show, they will dismiss all the other aspects of it in favor of a couple of well-animated sequences.

>>148812477
F(anservice)AOTS if you ask me

>>148812627
>I would say character design is an important aspect of animation quality, otherwise they wouldn't look so cute.
No when people talk about animation quality they are talking about movement. What sells anime is cute girls the quality of 2D animation has very little influence on it. Just look at Love Live one of the most popular franchises there is and it uses 3D animation for its scenes with dancing. As long as the animation isn't noticeably bad that is all anime has to achieve to be a big success with regards to animation and sometimes even noticeably bad stuff with waifus will be a success.
>The problem with sakugafags is that they are willing to put so much praise on the visual aspect of any show, they will dismiss all the other aspects of it in favor of a couple of well-animated sequences.
The people that care enough about animation to do this are such a small part of the consumer base that their influence is nothing. If it was important Space Dandy would have been a huge success.

>>148812627
I really don't see that happening. People might say a show is worth checking out due to it excelling in animation, but not to the point of heaping undue praise upon it.

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>>148807426
>shadow doesn't even move when he picks up the knife
>thinks A1 Sauce Studios has better animation than KyoAni
Your post is the real bait, fag

It's sad that KyoAni has no actual good animators, they all mostly range from mediocre to bad. Even Kigami their best slave is kinda meh and barely even does anything nowadays

>>148812810
FASCIST DETECTED

>>148812810
>KyoAni has no actual good animators
Yet their shows tend to look polished and have good animation in them. Really makes you think.

>>148812864
Not Hibike 2 that's for sure.

>>148804009
Full animation is technically animation on ones or twos. Anime is usually animated on threes so it can rarely be considered full animation, it's limited animation. But with even the limited amount of frames they have more nuanced movement and performance than you would see in western TV animation, for example, which is what prompted Mitsuo Iso to start calling the way he animates "full limited"

As a caveat, anime jumps up and down from ones to fours or even fives and sixes all the time. I'd consider it a defining trait of anime rather than simply having a low framerate.

>>148812877
It's a similar predicament to the first season where the studio had to allocate resources to making a movie. It'll improve by the second half just like the previous season did.

>>148812911
Not enough to beat what Occultist 9 and Flip Flappers have done, even if from now on they show nothing but static.

>>148812933
Perhaps, but we'll see about that.

>>148812961
If Brave Witches wins, this will get hilarious.

>>148812753
Love Live is a terrible example, considering it panders to idolfags, which is altogether a completely different subject (and cancer).
All in all, there are a lot of reasons why a TV show might be successful or not, but that's not the point.
Also, I don't think people that put too much praise and obsess over animation quality have a significant impact on the industry, I'm just saying their concept of what is fundamental to this form of entertainment is part of the problem

>>148812990
Why would you bring up Brave Witches? The show's production is already dying.

>>148813015
For the lulz. I was just trolling all of you.

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>>148805062
>>148811070
>Kyoanusfags never dare to compared their favourite studio to Sunrise
Really makes you think

>>148812771
We have in this thread people saying a show might be worth checking out based purely on the supposed high quality of its animation

>>148813057
FASCIST DETECTED LOL

>>148813067
Sure, nothing wrong with that. It's an entirely different ballgame from saying a show is great just because of the animation.

>>148813057
Is this an apostate post?

>>148813107
That happens too, a lot, in fact I think that is what many people in this thread might be getting the impression this thread was about (animation quality makes a show more worthwhile than the other)

>>148813005
No, sakuga fans are much closer to the rest of the world's animation critics than what the majority of anime fans tend to emphasize, glorifying derivative serious fiction as an attempt to seem mature. Explain how Hedgehog in the Fog, Tale of Tales and Fantasia were ranked the three best animation films ever by critics all around the world.

>>148813074
gas the

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Find me one KyoAni shot that has displayed such a range of emotions like webm related.

You can't.

>>148813005
It is fundamental animation is important to animation good animations should have good animation if not they have failed. A show isn't going to be automatically awful if it doesn't have good animation but it's never going to be able to show the best of what anime has to offer.

>>148813176
Censored?

>>148813204
FASCIST!

>>148813204
>such a range
Surprised, sad, and then angry? That's not such a range.

>>148813266
>KyoAnifag being this face blind
No wonder you all think Reina is a lesbian

You all like to jerk off about "visual storytelling" but can't grasp something so clearly illustrated before you

>>148804582

>Kyoanifags consider this good

This is fucking lifeless as fuck. A cardboard cutout waving its limbs about over a blurry background with CGI cars. No thanks.

>>148813315
YOU DON'T APPRECIATE THE HELIXSNAKE.

>>148813311
You could try explaining why you think that shot is good instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks.

>>148813170
I have seen sakugafags praise un-mature, childish shows, I don't think they are confined to "serious" shows like most "critics".
But worldwide the animation industry is so diverse, it' difficult to compare what is important to some "critic" in some place to another and their reasoning behind it

>>148813403
This is actually the same with people.

KyoAni are pretty great but it's certainly true that Hibike S2 has failed to impress so far. There's nothing outright bad, but nothing to shout home about either. Koe no Katachi neutered them.. hopefully things will liven up in the second half of the season.

Comparing scenes of characters walking around at a distance to an action scene from Flip Flappers is fucking retarded though. Why didn't OP get immediately shot down?

>>148812792
>shadow
pretty sure that's blood

>>148813225
Would you rank higher an otherwise boring, dull, unimaginative show with excellent animation, than a well-thought, creative and engaging show with poor visuals?

>>148813477
In their "logic", both shows would be bad then.

>>148813477
>an otherwise boring, dull, unimaginative show with excellent animation
aka every kyoani show ever

>>148813477
In other words, K-On vs. Now and Then Here and There?

>>148813529
K-On unimaginative? What the fuck?

>>148813529
Was K-On even sakuga?

>>148813593
More sakuga than OPM

>>148813477
>well-thought, creative and engaging show
Having good animation is part of being a well-thought creative and engaging show. Those aren't things that are independent of each other.

>>148803705
2chan != 2ch, you silly little Anon.

And stop stalking me.

>>148813652
That's the point, it's subjective.
You might have no budget or drawing skills, but a style that ends up appealing to your audience, a terrible director but excellent animators, an enormous budget but horrible execution.
The important thing is how it makes you feel, the experience as a whole at the end, not what it appears to be on the surface.

>>148813795
My point was that "well-thought, creative and engaging show with poor visuals" isn't a statement that makes sense. You can't have an animation that is "well-thought, creative and engaging" if it has poor visuals.

>>148811188
This has to be the dumbest post I've ever read. Prioritizing graphics in video games is idiotic because they're an interactive medium. Go back to /v/ you drooling retard.

>>148813829
>You can't have an animation that is "well-thought, creative and engaging" if it has poor visuals.
That's not what they said you retard.

>>148813829
creativity isn't limited to drawings

>>148813829
Maybe not for certain sakugafags, in their eyes everything that has bad animation according to their perception can't be good to start with, so they will never appreciate anything beyond this superficial layer.

>>148813829
>needing good visuals to be engaged
Take your ADD meds

>>148813865
>He doesn't get deeply engaged in his chinese cartoons
You should be the one to leave tbqh

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>>148806911
Or maybe it's just understanding how much detail you can put into your characters without sacrificing animation quality because you've run out of man-hours. You know, because that's what we're watching: animation. Not a slideshow. It's in the name, yeah? Animeshon?

>>148813658
We are the KAA. We have detected that you have talked against us. Now say your favorite studio or get thrown in the KAA Jail to serve your sentence.

Still pretty easy to get people to shitpost by using the Kyoani topic OP

>>148813971
Shaft has been getting away with calling their slideshows, animeshons for quite some time now though

>studio wars shit
I REALLY WISH THAT MODS WOULD DO SOMETHING WITH THAT BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THE THREADS.

>>148812134
>QUALITY
Where?

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>>148807618
I thought we were showing off good animation, not posting static characters sitting on a train, or waist-up shots lazily copy/pasted to bob from side to side.

All hate aside, this is pretty par. Nowhere near "movie tier quality".

>>148814028
I don't think anyone in this thread is defending them. I certainly won't.

>>148803057
No. Other studios might have a higher level of movement and complexity in the best cuts of the episode, but KyoAni maintains a higher level of detail overall and a higher minimum level of movement and complexity across the whole episode.

>>148803057
KyoAni is more consistent, which is what I like most about them.

>>148804582
I don't really dig the use of lighting effects and blur in this shot (and perhaps newer kyo ani shows in general)

>>148814552
>>148814723
Hibike 2 looks like garbage though

>>148803627
No, they just use a boatload of instagram filters, iris blurs, and chromatic aberrations to distract anyone who watches their show.

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>>148807281
Inu Curry's adaptation of Hedgehog in the Fog when.

>>148814834
People keep saying that, but I really can't think of anything that's looked bad about it so far.

Well, apart from that shot of Sapphire in her swimsuit, I guess, but one bad cut in three episodes isn't doing too badly.

>>148814949
To me it feels more sloppy. The backgrounds aren't as good, there's less animation or at least that's how it looks to me, and the wide angle shots where they show full body movement like in the first shot in OPs webm or this >>148805703
look kind of awkward.

>>148815011
I guess, but it still doesn't look *bad*. Not up to the same standard as the first season, sure, I'll buy that. Some details a little off, sure. But still considerably better than a lot of what I've seen, and "garbage" isn't really a suitable way to say "not as good as the best".

>>148803057
top is shit.

>>148803627
who cares about the animation, if the art is shit?

>>148815247
Would you watch a slideshow of incredibly well-drawn stills?

>>148815318
Would and have.

>>148815318
Yes. In fact, that's what Berserk 2016 should have been like. Just stills plus VAs ala Drama CDs. Cheaper to produce, too.

>>148815328
>>148815343
Well, suit yourselves, but if there's no actual movement, I'd rather just read a manga.

>>148815318
VNs exist you know...

>>148815382
A) I hate VNs, B) I'm yet to see any that are *that* well-drawn.

>>148805400
>not posting the fist part of the fight
At least you tried anon.

>>148815318
Do you happen to hate Tarkovsky too, anon?

>>148803627
Best Ghibli

>>148808159
Because it's flashy. Just like how DB attracts cancer as well.

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>>148815318
>any shaft show
>80s anime
>pic related

I already did.

>>148808159
Anon, it's the internet. There's super serious no fun allowed autists making a community out of anything and everything. Sakuga isn't special in that regard.

no discussions about www.working?

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>>148803057
さくが?

>>148816527
ちのは俺の嫁だ

>>148816553
君の嫁はクソでも強姦したい

>>148816050
>Tarkovsky
>not the master of time within a shot

Why did you have to namedrop him of all the other fucking static directors there have been in the whole history of cinema?

>>148816582
ＷＯＷ失礼だろう

Bampu

>>148818393
You just awakened into the free for all war by various 4chan users.

>>148803627
Not really. I mean, nichijou I guess. Kyoani has never really been about great animation. Their strengths are direction, art, and character.

>>148818455
Okay.