What's the /a/ consensus on Kare Kano?

I haven't seen it but it's Studio Gainax so it's most certainly pretentious hipster bullshit

>>148513412
Is she the teeth girl?

Greatest love story ever told.

episodes 1-18 are literally a masterpiece

It's low budget, has TONS of recap, but I still really like it.

There's no consensus.

But if there's such a thing as being "overdirected", this would be it, with so many unnecessarily complicated shots, incredibly busy frames and imagery galore. It's also clever, features some unusually textured characterization and is way funnier than it gets credit for, so it's definitely not all bad.

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I'm sorry I was born in 1997

>>148513699
What is the purpose of this blog?

>>148513412
it's kino

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>>148513412
started strong (storyline/characters/realism), ended weak (poor animation)
Still great overall. At least in the top 5 love story anime, along with Toradora, Chuunibyou... (insert your favorites).

>>148515330
+ Working, Love Hina

GOAT romance, the master Anno does it again.

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Yukino a CUTE.

>>148513670

This, the recaps made it from 9/10 to 7/10.

>>148513455
Well memed.

>>148513412
>>148513660

I like the whole thing i think it's great easy show to marathon

>>148513412
i quit loving it when yukino lost her virginity

>>148513660
This, those episodes were great i didn't dislike arima going full edge tho, and also this is one of those cases where anime > manga

Is it true that the manga sucks?

Actually recently finished this, there's a noticeable change in the second half, but it's still great

>>148516257
Arima gets really edgy and the main story starts focusing on his stupid family drama. It's alright, worth reading if you want closure on the series.

>>148513412
great forgotten gem.

>>148515330
>FedoraTora
>Autismnibyou
Holy shit do people actually think these are good love anime?

If it's about the manga, I find it to be pretty damn good. One of the best, if not the best, shoujo. The major problem in the manga is the artstyle, sometimes it gets impossible to tell the females apart.

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I'm liking it so far

>>148513412
It'd be better if the author wasn't being a little bitch.

I hate haremshit/romance anime but for some reason i would watch this because apparently the MC is already the gf of some dude.

Forgotten show until recently

The ending was really kinda weird. They got to a point in the relationship where the chick was happy, and while she still loved Arima, she would be okay and still happy without him. Meanwhile, Arima is falling deeper in love with Yukino, to the point where he relies on her almost completely for emotional support and comfort, to a kind of unhealthy level. He would be devastated if they had to separate, yukino would be okay.

I don't know, seems like a fucked up place to leave it off at

>>148521196
Read the manga, or don't.

>>148521304
can't you just tell me what happens

>>148521642
gay sex

>>148521642
Please don't make me tell you what happens in the manga, you wouldn't even believe it.

>>148513412
Show that started great but by the end turned to total garbage because of the complete hack of a director fucking it over royally

>>14852164
Been a while since I read it so I might be saying some bullshit.

His family problems grow on him, he loses his shit, forces Yukino to have sex with him, she helps him to deal with the things he's going through. Timeskip, they're married and happy and have a daughter.

>>148521940
not the manga ending I read

TEETH GIRL

>>148521867
It can't be that bad.

>>148521940
Wow, that's not cool.

>>148513660
Agree.
>>148513677
Disagree.

$0/10

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>>148513412

>>148522421
vulgar

The first few eps are so funny, actually the funniest episodes I can think of in pre-gintama anime.

>>148513412

>>148513630
This. I have never seen a better romance anime, despite all of the production woes. Anno's best work, he's a terrible writer but an excellent director.

>>148513677
>overdirected
This is a fair opinion, but I'm not sure I would agree with it. Anno used Kare Kano to pioneer this boisterous new style of direction. When Anno quit, Tsurumaki took over the production and continued in kind for the final episodes. Tsurumaki then went on to temper Anno's prototypical, over the top Kare Kano style in the experimental proof of concept, FLCL, and that style has since become Gainax's signature.

>>148516335
>>148521196
>>148515863
>>148513670
This shouldn't be taken as an excuse, but all of the stuff you guys are is mostly because of conflicts between Anno and the creator. It's actually really interesting. After Anno finished NGE, he was spiraling into a deep depression. He went on sabbatical from Gainax (for years, if memory serves), and Kare Kano was the first project he worked on after he came back. He had made pretty significant changes to the tone, and the creator didn't like it (in hindsight, pretty much everybody agrees the anime was far better than the manga). This conflict became so heated that Anno actually quit Gainax. I've never found totally clear information on when exactly in the production Anno quit, but it seems like they were able to finish production until ep 18 before they needed time to circle the wagons. This is why everything goes off the rails at that point in the story. In the end, the conflict proved irreconcilable even though Anno had quit, and the show was cancelled anyway. Personally, I think it's provocative to speculate that Gainax lost Anno because the studio did not stand up strongly enough behind its director and that in the end they obviously made the wrong decision.

>>148515387
>Love Hina
wat

>>148521196
Well, Arima is pretty fucked up from being beaten as a kid. It's kind of realistic for him to end up a fucked up and codependent adult.

>>148522464
whoa there

>>148518334
Toradora is actually quite fun, still miles away from ef and Clannad, tough.

>>148522464
>This. I have never seen a better romance anime, despite all of the production woes. Anno's best work, he's a terrible writer but an excellent director.

You haven't seen much Love Anime them.

>>148522966
It's definitely one of my least favored genres, anime routinely does a shit job with romance (but then so does western media). Kare Kano is a rare exception.

Been on my backlog for a decade and a half.
Kill me.

>>148523322
Just do it, you won't regret it.

>>148523322
Don't do it, you'll regret it.

Quintessential school romance series. No stupid gimmicks, the romance itself isn't forced. If I had to recommend a romance series for someone who had seen all the normalfag stuff and wanted more, this would be it.

>>148523391
I assuming you're talking about killing myself, I totally will and I won't regret it.
>>148523481
I'm assuming you're talking about watching Kare Kano. Noted, fellow /a/non, I'll just end it all instead.

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>>148513502
Yes. Also uchu mama

>>148513412
>lesser known Anno direction
>shoujo
>ticks off superficial indicators of "depth" that most people have as prerequisites to call something "good"

Of course /a/ loves it

>>148524368
Who are you quoting?

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>>148524368
eat shit

>>148524368
>many critical comments about the creative decisions and production drama in this thread
>/a/ doesn't love shoujo, what are you talking about?
>nobody really at all blowing it up aside from a few people saying it's their favourite romance anime

Sugoi!

>>148524636
Who are you quoting?

>>148524636
>many critical comments about the creative decisions and production drama in this thread
Do you really think that the direction and the fact that Anno directed isn't one of the primary reasons this show is remembered?
>/a/ doesn't love shoujo
Really? Have you not seen the shoujo threads and the consistent Utena praise? Any detractors of Utena in particular are shut down immediately. Yesterday there was a thread where a typical /r9k//pol/ type criticism came up and it was shit on.
>nobody really at all blowing it up
It's pretty highly acknowledged in my experience.

>>148524445
>>148524711
>Who are you quoting?

>>148513412
Kare Kino

>>148513412
Fuck off /tv/

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>>148524925
Why did you quote my posts in their entirety without recontextualizing in any significant way?

>>148513412
would've been great if the budget had been managed properly

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>>148513502
?

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nicest girl you will ever meet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJOe6MaC_I

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the teeth girl

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>>148525706
twisted fucking psychopath

>>148513412
I enjoyed it.
I would even go as fair as to say its one of my Favorite love stories ever.

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>>148513630
>>148515330
>>148522464
I read the manga and watched the anime and every opportunity I get to voice my disappointment on this shit I will consider it a god given gift to me.
I expected one of the best shoujo manga ever and what I got was something resembling the work of a teenager for her blog or school's writing contest not a something written by a grown up woman intended to be printed and commercialized, even for the target demography of teenage girls this was ridiculous for how serious it took itself.

Yukino is a literal mary sue, no other way to describe her, her only flaws are that she is not honest with herself, which honestly it's essential to move the story forward, and that she is, honest to god this is literal, too perfect. It is also implied that her constant quest for attention whoring prevented her from finding things that gave her a sense of identity and fulfillment, unlike her friends (writing, clothe designing, eating) but this is not another flaw but rather a consequence of her not being honest and not seeing what it is that she actually likes.

Arima's backstory is the worst offender to me in this manga, it is poorly stringed together and it's not like I'm expecting abysmal depth here but which how hyped her "torturous past" was, it again seemed like poor narrative that could have come out of the notes of a school girl. I actually found Tsubasa's story to be way more engaging, it actually seemed like a real story I could empathize and feel for her. It was well written, it wouldn't surprise me if Tsuda is a hack and this was written separately by someone else cause the difference between the main story and Tsubasa's arc with her father and her new musician brother is abysmal, while reading it for a moment I enjoyed it, then it ended and then the focus went back to Arima and Yukino and it fucking became a hassle to read again. Maho's story could have gone somewhere but Arima/Yukino ruins everything.

tl;dr It's shit.

>>148525893
Nice Vlog.

>>148525918
Thanks for adding nothing.

>>148525893
>I read the manga
This is where you fucked up.

>>148526091
I watched the anime afterwards. I can appreciate how Anno made it a little more lighthearted and didn't take it as seriously as the mangaka. I've been reading Kimi ni Todoke and I really appreciate how light hearted it is between MISUNDERSTANDINGS drama.

Anno's low budget gainax direction in the second half of the anime made it watchable, enough to finish it.

>>148513412
Manga had a good premise, likable characters, and a decent start. Then it shit the bed and rolled around in it for volumes.

Anno could have saved the anime, but the author apparently likes shit in the bed.

>>148525893
Haha, I actually agree, particularly on Yukino becoming a no-flaws. That's why the anime loses its appeal and humour so quickly. Once she overcomes her failing, which is so quickly, there's nothing fun left.

Imo the teacher arc, where she's able to confront the teachers in such a mature and level headed way like 5 episodes in, is where it was like "oh... ok, so she's basically a perfect uber-teen girl now."

I liked the Arima backstory more than the Tsubasa backstory, though both of them were past the point of being contrived.

>>148526385
Adding that up to the teacher episode Yukino's personality and wackiness is what carries the anime and makes the first episodes so good, which is why her becoming shit really makes the entire story collapse.

Manga is not canon.

>>148526385
>I liked the Arima backstory more than the Tsubasa backstory
It was the worst thing out of this. So much time hyping this traumatized boy with tendencies to become an evil douchebag and the reasons turned out to be, well, hell the reasons even the reasons could be fine (douchebag abusive parents ran away, ostracized by the rest of the family) it is the way it was presented that made it seem dumb and childish, and the fact that they implied (hell not even implied, it is a focal point) that his parent's genes are THE reason he has a tendency to evilness it's the icing of the cake of this stupid teenage drama.

I can, in a way, tolerate mary sue Yukino, I can't tolerate Arima's story though.

>>148526354
This pretty much sums it up pretty well. /thread

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>>148525729
Why does she like getting her cheeks pulled on?

>>148513412
Praise Anno.

>>148524636
>>/a/ doesn't love shoujo, what are you talking about?
What are YOU talking about?

I love it and I love this thread, didn't know the reception was so good among you.

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Proto Taiga

Wow. A nice discussion thread on /a/ mostly devoid of the usual waifu wars, Gainax posters and contrarians?
I really like Kare kano
This thread made my day.

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>>148529097
Only the fanciest of gentlemen can appreciate the subtle bouquet that is Kare Kano.

>>148522966
As for me, it's also one of my favorite love story ever and I think I've seen some romance anime. Nodame Cantabile, Spice & Wolf and 5 centimeters per second are also among my favs.

What do you think is better?

I've yet to see Nana though, seems good.

>>148522464
>>148516335
>>148521196
>>148515863
>>148513670

I think that the crumbling production kinda creates an amateurish feeling that's impossible to find in clean productions such as SAO (for example).

This amateurish, made on a shoestring, feel in the animation convey passion and love because they really did well despite the hardships, and the flaws are not "We don't have the means to do this" kind of cheapness but they're twisted to create the fun 4th wall breaking kind of thing you can find in the voice acting of the recaps, or the photographs used as backgrounds, or the unpainted animation on that particular episode, things like that. It screams "I don't have money anymore!" but it's still great I think, kinda like FLCL like you said, even if FLCL was solid in terms of management.

So, as said, I like this feeling of "we made it despite the hardships and we used our brains to transform cheapness in goodness". I wonder if I'll find that somewhere even again. Dezaki and Tezuka have similar approaches but I don't like it as much. Anno's really special, Evangelion was like that too.

I don't get why everyone is so stuck up on the recaps.

>>148529995
You're describing the idea of art from adversity.

I really think a lot of that, at least before everything fell to shit after episode eighteen, was a stylistic choice. It makes a lot of sense, I can imagine a production meeting discussing whether to move forward with Kare Kano and a discussion around how it could probably be made really cheaply while still pushing a really distinct style. It fits exceedingly well with the subject matter, and watching the show you really get the feeling that Anno reveled in the freedom of being able to tell a simple story however he wanted.

http://is.4chan.org/wsg/1476065239365.webm

>>148513412

A complete shit, but great ending

>>148530176
>>148529995
Nadia too evokes such a feeling for me.
The first half especially had a few really good moments and seemed like it was leading up to a masterpiece. It lost much of that after the magical submarine island showed up.

>>148530176
>art from adversity

I did not know that term, thanks. As for the feeling, I like the little quote in this article: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-29/sazae-san-is-last-tv-anime-using-cels-not-computers

>The subtle flickering of lines adds warmth to the images. It gives the viewers a sense of familiarity and security.

I think it's pushed even further by Anno's direction in Kare Kano. There's a sense of proximity,

Lovely video by the way.

>>148522464
Was the show originally slated to be longer than 2 cours then, had Anno not thrown a fit and quit?

>>148530337
I still haven't watched Nadia. How Future Boy Conan is it?

>>148529995
This is something I didn't think about until recently: We don't really see recap episodes anymore, or tons of re-used stock footage etc. I suppose the worst we see is QUALITY, but even that is usually fixed for the BD release.

Is it that the industry has become more driven by large corporate studios these days? Production management is just better understood and taught these days? Digital animation tools make it easier to streamline the process?

Or I guess in combination with those digital tools and highspeed internet—they can easily shift contract work around to fill in gaps in the schedule to prevent stuff like recaps these days?

The last really major botched episode I can think of was that "storyboard" episode of Birdy S2. At least that was fixed for the DVD release.

>>148530811
A lot of it has to do with the single cour thing. We rarely see multi-cour seasons anymore.

>>148521940
That doesn't do the manga justice.
People should just read it, it's really worth it.

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>>148530617
I watched Future boy conan as a kid so I dont remember much but Nadia isn't post apocalyptic scifi. Been meaning to rewatch it.
Nadia's late 1800's with KKK, technology and Jules verne's 20000 leagues.
I enjoyed the two protagonists Nadia and Jean both innocent in different ways learning the horrors of war and coming to terms with growing up parts that the early part of the series had. Anno directs simply as compared to eva or even karekano but well.

>>148531098
I rewatch Nadia sometime this year but the main purpose was to see the sanson and marie pairing had any foreshadowing in the series, it did.

>>148531036
It really doesn't, but people can't bother themselves to find out how things really are.

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Best, CUTEST girl

>>148524908
>Yesterday there was a thread where a typical /r9k//pol/ type criticism came up and it was shit on.
>/r9k//pol/ type criticism
Ah, of course, if someone shits on /r9k/ and /pol/, it must be because the entire board loves shoujo! Anon, you a genius.

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>>148529995
This. The crumbling production lead to one of the most creatively made episodes I've ever seen.

>>148530811
>Digital animation tools make it easier to streamline the process?
I think this is the biggest factor. Think about the simplest of things like making a character's mouth move with a 4 frame loop. With cells, they would have had to have redrawn the same picture of the character's face 4 times, with the mouth in as slightly different position each time. Whereas, with digital, they can just draw the face once, copy and paste it into 3 more tabs, then simply edit the mouth itself. This streamlining of the most basic elements of animation has a huge knock-on effect on every other part of it as well. The extra time saved on creating those small loops can instead be spent on making more complex sequences like fights, races, etc look more impressive and polished. Compare the battles in the original Pokemon anime to the modern Pokemon anime for a great example. The production values of the series haven't been greatly increased, it's just as low budget and quickly produced today as it was in 1997, but the modern battles are far more flashy and fluid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoy5dp6yNZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGMWhQ70Pc

>>148533938
>I think this is the biggest factor. Think about the simplest of things like making a character's mouth move with a 4 frame loop. With cells, they would have had to have redrawn the same picture of the character's face 4 times, with the mouth in as slightly different position each time. Whereas, with digital, they can just draw the face once, copy and paste it into 3 more tabs, then simply edit the mouth itself.

What, no. You know cels are transparent layers, just like layers in computer right?

You make one cel for each mouth, one cel for the face, and you just change the mouth layer. Exactly like digital...

But yes there's huge time saving on coloring (fill tool), scanning (faster even without automation machines, which I guess they have, and they could draw directly on computer, which some do now), and a lot of other things. It's easier to see the animation go on computer too (but as they still draw on paper for most it doesn't change much).

The savings on cost are huge too, the big machine to photograph the cels are 1. huge and take space 2. expansive 3. scanning cels one by one, replacing the camera and all, is time consuming, also the cost of film, cels, paint, the dark room thing when developing film, all that stuff is costy, and unnecessary with digital.

And other things.

>>148535244
Also there's a lot of hardships specific to lightning, like, when there's a glowing effect on cel, there gotta do something special with special tools, when it's one-click on computer. Same for pans through background and shit.

>>148533938
>it's just as low budget and quickly produced today as it was in 1997, but the modern battles are far more flashy and fluid.

It certainly isn't true though, sure the battle are enhanced by great use of 3DCGI and digital tool help 2D animators, but that still makes it cost more than the old Pokemon, to employ good workers like that (especially CG).

>>148521940
Best dude friend couldn't win the arima bowl so he went after his daughter.

>>148537391

The need to pair everyone with someone else was something I didn't like. Fuck, can't people carry their lives happily alone?

>>148513660
Agree

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fucking why

the whole show is good ending and all

>Episode 19 is the Imashi episode

production is flawed or whatever but it still manages to be better than most drivel