Why the best shonen in the industry are created by women?

because women know best how to pleasure men.

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>>148490332

>>148490332
First post best post

I am aware it is always one faget making these threads but still.
>using shounen as a genre

That aside, Ashita no Joe, Devilman and Fist of the North Star are the three best manga in existence, all shounen subgenres and all written by manly men.

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>>148490332
Very nice

>>148490361
I know it's not a genre. But. Am I wrong, or at that time there were only shonen magazines? The different targets were born after. If I'm right you wrong.

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>>148490332

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>>148490332
Nice, nice.

>>148490454
Yes you are wrong, there have been female orientated publications since forever also.

>>148490290
> Magi
> Best
> Good.

>>148490867
yeah what the fuck

magi was good for about a hundred chapters and turned into naruto tier horseshit

also blue exorcist, d gray man and haikyuu are garbage

>>148490290
I think women can create better characters which is partially because they have more empathy and think more about feelings.
FMA and Magi are good examples. Both have characters that feel more like actual people than typical archetypes.

>>148491003
>and turned into naruto tier horseshit

NO.

>>148491023
>I think women can create better characters which is partially because they have more empathy and think more about feelings.

Holy fucking shit you cannot be serious. Why do you think pretty much every single noteworthy creative work was written by a male if women are such special snowflakes?

>inb4 muh systematic oppression

>>148491041
you know it's true

dropped it when hakuryuu went full sasuke retarded, the mythological backstory was also one of the worst things ever

>>148491068
My post wasnt meant to be some sjw bullshit. I dont think that women are special snowflakes. Its just that men and women tend to emphazise different aspects in a story.

>>148490290
yet you know very well that hunter x hunter is better than both of those
like another guy here said,magi turned to shit after a hundred or so chapters

>>148491068
>Why do you think pretty much every single noteworthy creative work was written by a male
Wuthering Heights was written by a chick.

Hell, the first novel ever was written by a chick.

A lot of adult women read shonen manga, it shouldn't be surprising that a number of them also become good at making them.

l completely forgot katekyo hitman reborn was also done by a woman

fucking reborn one of the best shonen in the industry o i am laffin

so it's basically arakawa who's a genuinely talented author and a bunch of rubbish, you sure have a solid point OP

>>148491128
Alma Torran is the most comprehensive and the best flashbacks that I have ever seen in a shonen manga.

>>148491068
Because most women weren't even taught how to read for the most history of humanity.

>>148491161
>pretty much
Sartre, Dostoyevsky, Kafka, Joseph Conrad, Soseki Natsume and that is literally just what is on my desk.

>>148491196
Reborn is shit

Arakawa is the only good female shounen artist. Everyone else ranges from mediocre to bad.

>>148491238
Rumiko Takahashi though.

>>148490361
>>Fist of the North Star
>>Best manga IN EXISTENCE

Sorry to disappoint you but it's good at best.

>>148491248
Aside from Maison Ikkoku everything she's done is mediocre.

>>148490568
Female oriented publications begun like 20 years after what experts point at the start of modern manga (end of WWII basically).

>>148491262
Ranma and Inuyasha is decent though

>>148491161
>muh dark and mysterious Heathcliffu-kun
Wuthering Heights is basically shoujoshit compared to truly noteworthy works of the same time. It was criticized to hell and back at the time of it's publication; it sold well becasue it catered to lowest common denominator (which was much higher than it is today but still).

>>148491202
it was a clusterfuck that felt completely disconnected from the narrative we followed up to that point full of characters no one should give a toss about

the fact you loved it is undeniable proof of your shit taste

>>148490361
>Devilman

Yeah, I'm crazy

>>148491311
Are you retarded? There was talk of Alma Torran and Solomon and the Djinn in the manga already a hundred chapters before. Alma Torran is only the continuous speech. It's all connected and coherent. You may not like, but objectively it is well done.

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>>148491390
>but objectively it is well done.
>objectively

Threads fucked, everyone go home

>>148491215
So you mostly read pleb shit?

>>148491128
Holy shit you're right. Hakuryuu did go full edge and "muh vengeance", just like sasuke.

And that fucking retarded Mythical history bullshit with the main villain being some evil magic woman. And the main character descended from some legendary hero.

>>148490332
slick

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>>148491418
I like what I like, if you want to dismiss it as pleb shit, fine. Come back when you can formulate an actual argument.

You can add Isuna Hasakura to that list too, faggot

shonen sucks ass you know why? Because it either doesn't end, or its ends are shit. A good story has a well defined beginning, middle and end. Shonen are there to be milked tho and they arent designed with their end in mind.

>>148491417
That "falling into depravity" bullshit, is pretty much a copypasta of "Uchiha curse of hatred". It's extremely shit.

I would of preferred Hakuryuu supress his visible hatred for his mom and stick with his friends.

>>148490332
Basically this, also women ideal of a badass man is usually better than men ideal of a badass man, see King Bradley

>>148491128
Yes Alma Toran is shit, but Edgebro adventure plus the rival fight is perfect
the war arc is rush af tho

>>148491543
not really
see netero or hisoka

>>148490332
Damn

>>148491543
Fist of the North Star
Hajime no Ippo

>>148491514
>That "falling into depravity" bullshit, is pretty much a copypasta of "Uchiha curse of hatred". It's extremely shit.

speedreader

Stop talking if you can not even understand a manga for kids.

Reborn and d. Gray man are terrible pieces of shit and op is full of it.

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>>148490290
>implying women don't make the best seinen too

>>148491635
sorry but they don't
opm beats anything a woman has done

>>148491626
Not him, but can you not IMMEDIATELY jump to ad hominem attacks? 4chan is a forum for discussion, discuss shit. If you disagree, explain why. If you want to throw insults back and forth for an hour, thats fine, but please do it somewhere else.

>>148491227
The end of reborn was shit*
FTFY

>>148491635
Mushishi was published in a seinen magazine? I always thought it was josei for some reason.

>>148491543
But bradley is exactly like how men think of badass men. Look at characters like guts, kenshiro etc. and they all have similar traits.

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Case in point

>>148491653
>shounen babby picks his favourite seinen

>>148491679
It was in Afternoon

>>148490332
but wouldn't a man know best how to pleasure a man

>>148491482
Are tripfags this stupid? FMA was written with an end in mind.

>>148491733
does not matter
ONE is a better writer at seinen than any woman

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>>148491751
Really anon? Okay could you please pic related? He paid fair and square.

>>148491626
it's the same rubbish about muh suffering and everyone else is a hypocrite and other juvenile self centered hogwash

it automatically makes a narrative a hundred times shittier

>>148490290
>2 exceptions
>trying to make a rule of that

nice try faggot

>>148491780
yeah i could

>>148491831
Oh yeah how?

>>148491202
It's worse than Kishimoto flashback. Not even he was crazy enough to make an 8 month flashback arc of a weekly manga. You need a legendary cast of characters to pull pff something like that well, not Solomon and his band of retards.

Pandora Hearts is a good shonen?

>>148491626
They both get irrationally obsessed with some goal and don't stop despite it being the most sensible choice, and so it then destroys their life.

uchihas Have extreme thresholds in vindictiveness, which ignores their common sense.

Depravity fallen characters in Magi have taken extremely ruthless paths and so has had their minds affected

>>148491677
You expected him to harden up.
Still a pussy.

>>148491674
>on neo-/a/
>expecting ppl to have decency

its like you're new here.

>>148491877
Fall into depravity means to follow a different path from the one created by Solomon, then it can no longer be part of the great stream after death. That's all.

>>148490290
But Raiku Makoto is a man.

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>>148491558
>gay clown
>badass

> magi
> good

fujoshit identified

>>148490361
Old =/= good, grandpa.

>muh women authors

virgins I swear

>>148491877
Hakuryuu arc was more about how falling into depravity (and having black rukh) wasn't inherently wrong. I understand why you think seeing an edgemaster takes away from the experience, but that arc served a very specific purpose for the overall theme of the manga.

Hi /lit/. Made it through IJ yet?

>>148491991
right and look at what magi has

>>148491971
And those paths seem to always be ruthless and brutal.

Those "different" paths are only relevant if you are on it when you die. whenever you're ready you can change your ways and leave the path; escaping depravity.

Those different paths don't seem to be actual "paths", it's more like your attitude.

>>148491991
He's not gay.
He's a pedo.

>>148492061
Nobody is gay in Magi. Only fujoshi thinks that way. Meanwhile gay clown is explicitly shown having a boner towards boys.

>>148492132
Gay pedo clown then? Even worse.

>>148490290
Magi had potential but it turned into horse shit.

I did not like the ending of FMA, and it ruined it for me. It was a lazy ass bullshit cop out.

>>148491311
>I couldn't comprehend what's happening in the manga so I'll just call it shit

>>148492183
^this

>>148492183
this is literally a "u don't understand sasuke-kun" level rebuttal

l suggest you to consider suicide

>>148492155
>Magi had potential but it turned into horse shit.

No.

>>148491302
God forbid somebody write something that people other than critics can enjoy.

>>148492183
No, he clearly wrote that it was completely disconnected from the narrative and the flow of the story and threw an entire cast of new characters in your face with only very few already known side characters, that frankly were either uninteresting or irrelevant to the story. That went on for nearly a year. She should have made that into a different side-story and get through the important stuff in 3-4 chapters tops. Feel free to keep sucking Magi dick, it won't make that terrible arc any better.

>>148492281
Schlock is fine, pretending schlock is actual literature is the problem

>>148492227
He got what he deserved. Being utterly alone.

>>148492301
flashbacks are an example of poor storytelling. It really cut into the flow of the story and was unnecessary. I would've preferred the author was more subtle with the telling of lore of of the story.

>>148491151
HunterxHunter is better than FMA in some areas but worse in others. The choice is subjective.

>>148492306
Thankfully schlock also isn't defined by "I didn't like it therefore it's trash."

>>148492408
This is completely false. You do not know what you're talking about. A coherent flashbacks with all the story is complicated. Ohtaka has initially created a lore of Alma Torran. Read the manga closely, and you will realize. The flashback is nothing other than the completion of the lore. And it is something that many authors fear. Because that way you solve many mysteries and you have no desire to continue the story. Ohtaka did something risky, but definitely quality.

>>148491205
Women have been able to read for a century and still haven't provided better literature than men.

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>>148492478
No it's literally better in every area I can think of.

Characterization - protagonists are more nuanced and morally ambiguous, you would never see Ed go to the lengths of CA Gon. Same goes for antagonists and this requires no explanation; Meruem alone shits on the entire FMA cast. Conflicts never come down to "muh good vs evil" like Ed vs Father.

Art - Togashi is a far more skilled and experienced artist than Arakawa. His panels flow better, his layouts are more interesting, his use of negative space is on another level.

Story - HxH deals with much more interesting themes than FMA like humanity's hubris and the nature of politics.

I would really like to see an FMAfag argue what their series has over HxH.

>>148492904
Togashi is helped by his wife.

Because women are better with escapism. Men are more grounded in reality.

>>148490290
Alphonse would have made a much better central protagonist to be honest.

>>148491481
Pleb as fuck.

>>148492904
1- World building. FMA has a much more coherent and planned-out setting. This is not just naming nations and defining borders, it's also giving characters a position and role in the world. Not saying HxH is poor in this aspect (especially compared to most manga), it's just that FMA does it better.

2- Pacing. Maybe saying FMA's pacing is better is a bit false because HxH's is very purposeful. But the truth is, each arc lives off of one very impressive, singular scene while most of it is just buildup. This sounds like a good thing, but suffering through years and years of a boring arc just to have a satisfying ending does not compensate for everyone.

>>148492904
And then? Does not take into account the asspull of HxH, story without a long-term planning, designs often ridiculous? All defects that FMA does not possess.

>>148492904
>protagonists are more nuanced and morally ambiguous

I see, you're one of those people that confuses moral ambiguity with good story telling and confuse cynicism for depth. Good to know.

And on the art front, Togashi does nothing special in terms of fight scenes. He's not a stand out for action, which is a problem since that's the genre he is a part of. His fights follow all the shonen cliches in the book, cribbed from Toriyama. Arikawa not only creates exciting and vivid action scenes, she consciously defies genre expectation in crafting them, never relegating fights to one-on-one scenes with useless spectators watching, never going to power levels to describe threats and never using barely explained power ups for the hero to resolve a conflict.

The same cannot be said for Togashi in any of his works.

>>148492997
If men are grounded in reality why do they keep the high school battle harem and isekai genres thriving?

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>>148492904
>Art
>Togashi

pick one

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>>148490290

But Oda is a man

>>148492904
But Magi and FMA have a much better world-building, the best characters on average, a story planned long term and without narrative flaws. HxH is better in the battles, but is this enough? I do not think so. Magi and FMA exceeds HxH in everything else.