Why is Code Geass R2 so bad?

>>148135154
Generic, cliche-ridden, cringe scenes.

second seasons are always trash

>>148135423
but hibike will be aoty again

jibun wo OP still give me shills

I dropped at second episode of the first season.

>>148135154
We already had a Geass R2 thread yesterday. Read it.

>>148135154
Shouldn't you be asking why you can stop thinking about cocks?
Checkmate.

>>148136591
kill yourself

>>148136832
nice

>>148136556
it ended up archived with no replies

>>148135154
Fact: the show became popular and the director/writer are told to make s2 appeal to the general audience more.

>>148135423
Wrong.

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>>148136832

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U jelly poorfags

>>148135154
China

Rolo

>>148138156
>all this mecha trash

>>148138280
Not him but if you can't into gunpla, sudoku yourself.

>>148135154
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't as good storywise as S1 was

>>148138336
Not him but you should honestly kill yourself.

TMI

It was convoluted

>>148138156
I'm poor and surprisingly I'm not

Unless I am jelly even after 3 years the truth remains you are what you eat

>>148138434
Nah, but I think you should neck yourself.

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>>148138156
>barbatos
fuck im jelly

>>148138917
Just end your pathetic life already.

>>148138156
I got the collector's edition Blu-Ray too.

The art cards are really nice looking.

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ZEROOOO

>>148138995
Just neck yourself, chuuni.

>>148135154
It's this: >>148137929
The show was far more popular than anyone was expecting so it went from late night TV to prime time. R2 was going to be much darker than what we saw, but I guess we'll never see the real R2 now.

Super Saiyan Syndrome with the Geass was the main shitty hallmark of R2
>Season 1
>Geass are psychological phenomenon (commanding, mind reading)
>Season 2
>lol time travel time stop and see the future

>>148139848
Nah, the main shitty hallmark of R2 was how much more the series relied on mecha action.

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What is that

>>148135154
Why is a single retard trying to push this meme lately?

>>148139819
>but I guess we'll never see the real R2 now
JUST

>>148139915
OP here, I don't know how severe is your schizophrenia but this is the first time that I have made a thread about R2.

>>148139915
10 year anniversary coming up. It's also easy bait, it's similar to making a TTGL thread on /m/; it instantly goes to shit.

>>148139744
Nah, just end your sad life already.

>>148138156
Got my CE a couple days ago too. Love the art cards. Hopefully Funi announces an Akito the Exiled release so I can get that to go with this.

Can't wait to see what gets announced for the 10th Anniversary.

>>148140864
are you blind?

>>148135154
>suddenly amnesia CC
Because it's written by retards for retards.

>>148135154
Because is too deep for plebs

>>148140899
You first, faggot kun.

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Both seasons of Code Geass are pure art. It takes very acquired taste to truly appreciate.

>>148135154
Because the Manga was never finished.

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>>148145097
>CG
>art

>>148135154
Because you're a pleb who doesn't have their own opinion but repeats whatever is the meme thing to post here or on that other anime forum. First few episodes of R2 are actually pretty solid, and a noticeable improvement over R1 both animation and direction wise. That's because by then it was not a gamble, but an established successful franchise, they were trying to do it justice and had the budget for it. The middle of R2 kinda drags on but it's not that uncommon for the middle part even in decent shows. China part is far from a bad as it's memed to be: at least it gave us one of the best battles and mecha fights, and a hammy but fabulous 'power of love' speech in the end. People bitch about CC amnesia but it gives us her backstory, which is essential for understanding her character fully. And the final part, especially the final episode is something few series have or will have topped.

>>148135154
I unironically enjoyed season 2 more than season 1 and I rewatched the entire show twice in the past 2 years.

>>148135154
It wasn't as good as the first season but the entertainment value was high. Watching it with /a/ and gg/eclipse IRC channels while waiting for an episode was the best time in anime

>>148147974
>gg
schneizel tier

>>148135154
the whole series is bad

>>148149133
It's not bad, but mediocre and overrated to absurd levels. It has very few great points about it.

>>148135154
Noodle people

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>>148139848

not really....
>time stop
Rolo geass has nothing to do with time stop... Lelouch could do the exact same thing by saying "Stop moving for 1min" to people in front of him.
It would not work on people he cant see, but it could work for longer periods of time...

>see the future
Its not really seeing the future... more like a very accurate prediction of what is going to happen based on current moves...
When the Knight of 1 fights Suzaku, he can see that he's gonna go straight at him, but he cant see the result.

>>148139864
this tho.

>>148141934
Not amnesia... C.C decides to "leave" for a while.


>>148145097
Also this

>>148149344
>>148149133
>look at me, im a edgy contrarian.

>>148151915
I'm >>148149344 and don't worry, I'm not being a contrarian, I legitimately think it's overrated as fuck. I had to treat CG as a parody/comedy series in order to finish it. Definitely one of my worst anime investments time wise.
Not having yours same opinion is far from being a contrarian for the sake of it.

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CG thread??

posting best girl

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>>148152055
Well then, you are either a contrarian or a big idiot...
Who the fuck watches 50 episodes of something he thinks is mediocre ?

>overrated
Lol... something that almost everyone loved like crazy when it was airing is "overrated"... sure.
I forgot animes are made for education purpose... not entertainment


I dont know, if its because I watched it when it was airing, (having to wait between episodes and seasons and all that)... and having fun with people on /a/ but my love for CG is still the same as it was.

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>next month somthing is being revealed
it's probably pachinko but fuck it

GET

FUCKING

HYPED

I hated the whole "pre-recorded video distraction" gimmick in season 1, but I hated it even more in season 2.
On the whole, I liked season 1 more than 2. 1 gets and 8.5 out of me, and 2 gets a 7.5.

Also, Dominos > Pizza Hut.

>>148152055
Also, I dont like to bring this kind of stuff, but CG won a lot of awards and sold a lot of DVD/bluray

from wikipedia
>By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs had been sold in Japan.[57] Reportedly, Bandai Visual shipped over one million DVD and Blu-ray Discs related to the Code Geass franchise by November 2008, placing it among the most popular contemporary anime series in both Japan and North America.[58] During 2008, the first volume from R2 was the fourth bestselling anime DVD and Blu-ray Disc in Japan according to Amazon.com.[59]

>Since its premiere, Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion has collected numerous awards and accolades. At the sixth annual Tokyo Anime Awards held at the 2007 Tokyo International Anime Fair, Code Geass won the best TV anime series award.[60] The second season also got the award of "Best Screenplay" in the 2009 Tokyo Anime Fair.[61] In noted Japanese anime magazine Animage's 29th Annual Anime Grand Prix, Code Geass won the most popular series award, with Lelouch Lamperouge also being chosen as the most popular male character and "Colors" being chosen as the most popular song[citation needed]. In the 30th Annual Anime Grand Prix, Lelouch won first place again and C.C. was voted most popular female character[citation needed]. At the first Seiyu Awards held in 2007, Jun Fukuyama won the award for best actor in a leading role for his performance as Lelouch

>Furthermore, Code Geass won the award for Best TV Animation at the twelfth Animation Kobe event, held annually in Kobe, Hyōgo Prefecture,[63] with R2 taking the award in the following year.[64] In the 2009, Seiun Award, Code Geass R2 was a nominee in the category "Best Media Award"

>>148152483
Don't worry anon, it can't be panchinko. They already released that a couple months ago.

>>148152483
>>148152721

I dont undersand why they still haven't done a remake of R2 ... following what was suppose to happen in the first place, before they changed it (due to the time slot change)

>>148152428
It's overrated because it's hailed as a masterpiece by those who were hyped during it's initial run and had seen 10 series at most.

If you ask to anyone what points of CG make it a masterpiece now, at 10 years from your initial run, almost no fan can give you a serious answer.

Try asking a LOGH, FMA, F/Z, NGE or hell, even S;G fan what makes their favourite series a "masterpiece" they'll have an answer, be it the story, the characters, the design, the score; one of this aspects will be included.

Saying "CG is a hell of a ride!" or "man, it was fun watching CG with /a/, xD", or "Leoluch did nothing wrong" do not count as serious answers.

>>148152721
>>148152483
It also isn't a new edition or new blu-ray, they only recently put one out.

Strange. almost gives me hope for R3

almost

Season 2 was just so more ridiculous than the first and not in a good way either. Writing definitely took a swan dive. I really despised the direction they took with Lelouch and Spinzaku.

>>148152962
you are the first one in this thread to use the word "masterpiece " buddy....

I've watched a lot more than 10 shows
>LOGH, FMA, F/Z, NGE or hell, even S;G
yep all watched... not a big fan of any of them to be honest (Im not saying they are not good) , but i have no problem with you if you love them.

Also, CG has greats characters and a pretty good story and a great score too.
If you cant see that just forget it, dont go around in this kind of threads and spill your bs

Grow up.

And even if i love CG and kind of agree with >>148152995
R2 was clearly inferior to R1 overall.
But it was still very entertaining and had a great ending.

>>148153673
>you are the first one in this thread to use the word "masterpiece " buddy
>dont go around in this kind of threads and spill your bs
The OP says literally "Why is Code Geass R2 so bad", not "let's praise CG and jerk off together", you lack reading comprehension apparently.
CG watchers themselves call the series a trainwreck, I don't see how criticizing it is a problem, especially in a thread with that OP. In most CG threads calling the series an average show is met with "you are a contrarian" response. Some of you fans are so defensive it's laughable.
No series is exempt of criticism, grow the fuck up.

>>148153949

>The OP says literally "Why is Code Geass R2 so bad"

And ? he doesnt have the right to do it ?
You know that half the threads on 4chan start with something like that right?

> I don't see how criticizing it is a problem
When you say its "mediocre" you're not criticizing, just saying you're opinion without anything else
>>148152995 is a proper critic.

> calling the series an average show
But its not. ...
It sold more
it got more awards
it was more populare on forum etc...
than the average show.... so its not a "average show"
sorry

if you say its mediocre and average when everything says its not... you are the textbock definition of a contrarian


>No series is exempt of criticism
>>148153673
this is me, i can make criticism about CG all day if you want...
having flaws and bad parts doesnt make it mediocre...

>>148138042
Nah he's right. Second Seasons are always trash.

>>148154356
>he doesnt have the right to do it ?
Behead those who insult CG

>>148154409

lol
Actually, i sould have use the whole quote

>The OP says literally "Why is Code Geass R2 so bad", not "let's praise CG and jerk off together",
And ? he doesnt have the right to do it ?
You know that half the threads on 4chan start with something like that right?


That's what i meant

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>>148135154
But GC was always bad from start to finish.

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>>148154748
what did you say !?

>>148154356
>And ? he doesnt have the right to do it ?
Who said anything about rights? With an OP like that it's clear it's not a shower praise thread.

>When you say its "mediocre" you're not criticizing, just saying you're opinion without anything else
Ok, let's start:
-animation: some good moments in mecha combat, nothing stands out in character animation
-score: good orchestrated tracks, in particular for R2, rest is ordinary.
-character design: you can like it or hate it, but it's very inconsistent
-story: all over the place. R1 still made sense, R2 was riddled with asspulls and "10 moves ahead of you" moments. The finale redeemed it a bit, but you can't base a story score around that
-direction: above average, I don't remember any particularly exceptional moment.

Mediocre is not intended as derogatory, but as median-ordinary (look up the definition if you need), and CG is imho a 7/10 show (accounting for scoring inflation), nothing out of the ordinary.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zyE8WjkqqU

I'll keep posting this till everyone likes it!

>>148154971
well see. its not that hard.


animation: agree
score: its was very good, (orchestrated tracks + FLOW)
character design: same
story: I think it has a great overall story, but some parts of R2 were pretty bad... still very enjoyable though and it has a great ending (which is rare in animes)
direction: I say it's pretty good, nothing amazing...

Lets be honnest, most people love CG because of Lelouch (and the others chars who are pretty interesting)
I think the characters are a big reason to why CG is great.

We could debate that forever, but... no


>Mediocre is not intended as derogatory,
Yes, but it can.... and according to the rest of your post it clearly was meant as a derogatory term.

>>148155690
>it clearly was meant as a derogatory term
I said multiple times that CG is not bad, so I couldn't have meant "mediocre" as derogatory. My first post said exactly "it's not bad, but mediocre and overrated", and I stand by that.
You can consider my usage as derogatory only in the context of calling it a masterpiece, and I have no problem admitting that.

>>148155828
My problem is that, its not mediocre...

You can say its overrated, because its a subjective opinion, but saying its "mediocre" is plain false.

Maybe in the absolute (compared, to books, movies etc) its mediocre (at best), but compared to the rest of animes its definitely not mediocre (awards prove that)
If it's mediocre, then what is Guily crown, Aldnoah.Zero etc. ?

Im not the kind of guy who says "its shit !!" or "its a masterpiece !!!" about anything... but eh.. maybe I should be.

Also, its was FUN (to be on /a/ when it was airing)
>>148155097

>>148156635
It is mediocre for me, I don't expect you to agree.
I find ridiculous that some fanbases can't handle criticism. It would be stupid to say that CG is a 2, 3, 4 or 5/10 show, but saying that it's mediocre is not.
Listen, my favourite series is NGE, and while I consider it a masterpiece, I can see why some people would give it a 6 or 7/10 score and I think it's fine. What is idiotic is scoring something 5 or less just because you don't like one aspect of it, and make that influence the whole score, that's unfair. I explained my reasons here >>148154971 and I don't think they are exaggerated.
>awards prove that
Awards, as well as scores are greatly influenced by their time and the competition at the time. Avatar (the movie) was nominated for an oscar as best film. Anybody now would think that is completely crazy.

>Guily crown, Aldnoah.Zero
I have seen a great deal of series, but haven't watch those specific titles because I keep reading shit talking about them, so I don't think I'll bother. They can easily be under average for all I know.

>>148152055
I'll agree that it is overrated, but the show is pretty transparent about its own silliness even if it's not a full parody. It's part of the style they were going for, so your biggest mistake would be taking it more seriously than the staff ever did.

>>148152895
Remaking R2 would be boring and predictable since 2/3s of the events would be the same. Only a few changes that wouldn't alter the big picture.

>>148152962
Anon, all popular anime are overrated. Take a look at MAL or whatever other pleb site you want.

Also, you'd be wrong in your assumption that there are no other answers. Plenty of people consider CG a masterpiece because they like some or all of those elements, including the score (which is in fact pretty great), the protagonist, the scale of events or other things. Those count as serious answers even if you partially or totally disagree as an individual.

>>148152995
On the contrary, I thought the direction they took with Lelouch and Suzaku was one of the better parts of the writing and it matched were season one was taking them. Just with a couple of detours in the first half of R2, but hey.

mediocre is a judgement of quality.
its not based on what YOU think... its based on what it is PERIOD.

You cant say the "9th Symphony of Beethoven" is mediocre because you dont like it....
why ?
Because most people on earth (who know anything about music) agree that it is not mediocre.

..
I dont care about score.
...

Mediocre:
1.
of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate:

2.
not satisfactory; poor; inferior:

3.
Of ordinary or undistinguished quality.


>They can easily be under average for all I know.
No they are mediocre/average, they are well made but have a poor story and boring chars...very forgettable in the end
And this kind of shows (that there is a lot of) dont sell that much and dont win awards.... because they are... mediocre (see definition of mediocre)...

>>148154971
All the characters match CLAMP's art style, so I don't see what's inconsistent. Pretty silly if you can't get into their exaggeration proportions, but that's how the original artists draw.

I'd say the score was quite a bit more varied than that. Some great orchestrated stuff all around, with plenty of otherwise catchy tracks too

It is a crazy story. That said, the forest makes more sense than the trees in isolation so those "10 moves ahead" tricks aren't really a huge issue.

As for direction (which, by the way, includes some animation highlights in those same parts), there's a few key momoments, such as the battle of Narita in S1, the end of S1 ep 23 and most of R2 ep 25.

I do think Code Geass isn't much higher than a 7/10, but it can be a little higher or a little lower depending on how much you personally enjoyed it or not.

>>148157718
Not sure about that mate... I dont remember but didnt they say it was supposed to be a direct continuation or R1 (without the memory erasing thing) and Suzaku getting a geass ?

I mean, doing that now, would be pretty stupid, but I wish we could have seen it.

>>148157912
Not him, but then you're ultimately narrowing it down to a measure of popularity. In which case it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that many shows you also consider to be mediocre tend to be similarly overrated by most people who watch them and use ranking systems.

>>148157675
I agree on the fact that taking it too seriously, was definitely a mistake on my part, but it can be used as a lame excuse for too many series (Habanero for example). The show was very inconsistent on that aspect.

>>148157799
Not all popular anime are overrated, only the real mainstream series are. Take a look at the Rurouni Kenshin OVA, it's popular enough, but not overrated (hell, considering other titles I would say it's underrated).

>>148157799
>Plenty of people consider CG a masterpiece. Those count as serious answers even if you partially or totally disagree as an individual.

I can't see any masterpiece aspect in it, but I don't have any problems with people calling it a masterpiece, but with people not being open to criticism, which is apparent in any CG thread.
My first message in this thread was
>It's not bad, but mediocre and overrated to absurd levels. It has very few great points about it
And the first response was
>I'm an edgy contrarian
You get what I mean?
No series is exempt from criticism. In NGE threads I like to read critiques because often I reflect on aspects of the show that I had not considered, or that were obfuscated by my appreciation of the series.
We aren't on "Pizza hut forums", discussion is the whole point of boards.

>>148158278
The original idea was that Suzaku already had a Geass. That was what made him so inhumanly strong, at least in his initial character background. Explaining that would take some time, yes, but his role in the story wouldn't be different.

According to the "ghost script" for episode 26, it would start with Suzaku hesitating and letting Lelouch shoot him. Lelouch gets in the Lancelot and lands on daddy's airship, who defeats him and imprisons Lelouch in Ashford Academy. It's not that radically different in function. That's wouldn't have the "fake brother part" and so on, but Lelouch would still need to rescue his organization and it's easy to imagine Suzaku would recover and be back.

>>148158294
well obviously... popularity in art is very important...

That's the whole problem with modern art for exemple...

And its a difficult question, but no one has the universal truth about what is good (at least in art) so popularity has its merit

Plus you have to remember , we are talking about animes... made for entertainment of children/teens

>>148158319

And the first response was
>I'm an edgy contrarian
You get what I mean?

>A contrarian is a person who takes up a contrary position, especially a position that is opposed to that of the majority, regardless of how unpopular it may be

that seems very accurate to me anon.

>>148158524
oh ok... thx,

>>148158943
It would be accurate if it was intended seriously, but the "edgy" clearly gives away how the poster meant it, come on. It happens in every CG thread, and really gives the impression of an echo chamber fanbase.

>>148135154
Because the second season was supposed to be not the last.

>>148159133
lol Im the poster.

I said "edgy" as a joke... I dont even know what "edgy" really mean (Im not a native speaker). dont take it too seriously

>>148159649
>dont take it too seriously
My rant is not limited to this particular occasion but to the attitude in the CG threads on /a/ where the series is held as the holy grail because people "had a great time watching it with /a/", so it's automatically perfect and free of criticism.
Where calling the series overrated, while saying it's not bad but just mediocre/average/ordinary and giving it a 7/10, triggers people.

>>148152962
>ask to anyone what points of CG make it a masterpiece
- the animation
- one of the best OST in anime history
- one of the best main characters in anime history
- good cast of characters overall
- complex and well-told plot
- very good directing and plot twists (especially in R2)
- absence of fillers (only in R2)
- lots of interesting themes and topics (especially in R2)
- perfect balance between various genres
- by far the best ending in anime history (only R2 again)

>>148160104
>complex and well-told plot
forgot to add "especially in R2"

>>148159849
>just mediocre/average/ordinary and giving it a 7/10, triggers people.

yes because its not mediocre/average/ordinary..........
How dense can you be seriously?
The whole reason why its so popular in the first place is because the MC and the story (and the show in general) are not average/ordinary.

Do you also think that show like gurren lagann, death note, haruhi suzumiya, kill la kill and others are average/mediocre?


> it's automatically perfect and free of criticism.
not true, half the post are criticisms...
And what do you excpect in a thread about an anime ? People making judgements and nitpicking everything single bad thing about it ?
Just say, "it okay, but overrated and I dont like it because this and that"... and that's it...

>>148135154
It was dogshit for teenagers from the start. War mixed with highschool comedy, shitty characters who don't make sense, shitty tactics who don't make sense, abusive fanservice for whatever reasons, no depth for secondary chars, C.C. is your lazy waifu who knows everything but won't tell you, Kallen is your hot teenager who always deus ex your ass because she's a skilled pilot coming from nowhere, Suzaku is the worst piece of shit, Charles plan is a poor Instrumentality, the ending doesn't make sense at all

>>148160503
does the term "edgy contrarian" applies to that guy?

>>148160382
Pleas remove KLK from your statement and you'll be right.

>>148160943
Its a question not a statement

>>148160503
>abusive fanservice
Maybe I was asleep, but this isn't guro, anon.

>Kallen is your hot teenager who always deus ex your ass because she's a skilled pilot coming from nowhere
So just like the majority of mecha pilots in anime then.

>Suzaku is the worst piece of shit
Whoa, there. Hold your horses.

>Charles plan is a poor Instrumentality,
Neither the first nor the last version of it.

>the ending doesn't make sense at all
Actually, it does.