Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1694

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読め

ていく and てくる can be a pain!

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Hello, Im willing to be able to read a light novel in japanese Pic is the first page.

Im reading Pomax's Introduction to Japanese and I've seen than there are few writing styles and alphabets, do I need to learn them all for it? or which ones aren't needed?

Thanks

>>148117476
Just give up.

>>148117476
>what's this guide thing in the OP
>oh whatever it doesn't seem important ill just post and make myself look stupid

>Miku in the OP
Are you a bad enough dude to read along to the music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2f3MMSDLI

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ひどい話

>>148116915
Anyone can explain the idiom for me?

If translated, it goes along the way of "one's stomach is standing", which means that the person is pretty angry. I do understand the word-for-word transliteration but I really don't get the context behind it

>>148118183
腹が立つ means that really rustles my jimmies

http://vipper.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1475600710/　

Get your rare kanjis here, boys.

>ではない
>じゃありません
どちらの方が形式的ですか

私の記憶がその振りをしているだけです
What does this line say?

>>148118820
The one with the formal auxiliary verb ます in it.

ではない sounds like something a 雪ノ下 or 夜空 would say. Not 敬語 at all.

what is your favorite
>kanji
>hiragana
>katakana
?

>>148119047
鬱
そ
I hate all of them.

>>148119047
力
か
カ

>>148118861
Not sure, something like someone saying their memory was limited certain way. Maybe they can learn certain things well but not others, so that could be a response to someone being impressed by their knowledge, and the other person explaining how they aren't like that across the board.
Picture someone being able to memorise strings of numbers and them explaining that that's pretty much all they can do.

>>148117476

Give up

>>148119219
タカタオモイ！

>>148118221
cheers

>>148119047
森
ぬ
キ

>>148117476
>writing styles
No, you learn just learn the stroke order and will be able to read all writing styles, even silly stylized ones they sometimes use in anime/manga logos.

>and alphabets
You need all 3, there's no way out.

>>148118703
>娶る
This one is pretty nice

>>148119047
Are you reddit?

>>148119708
It also rhymes with 寝取る

>>148119764
Well, yea
娶る or 女取る

>>148119795
What does 無茶苦茶セックス with Aoba feel like?

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>>148119795
Today I saw a Japanese person end a tweet with ぞい

>>148117839
Understood like 10-20% of it, things like 挫傷暗礁に乗り上げる and 吐瀉物噴出 (ugh) are destroying me
Still an infinity more than what I was able to before, what a victory

>>148119862
The feeling of wanting to ganbaru today, all day

>>148119390
I can see a theme here. Do you like knitting, or silk?

>>148119047
亖
か゚
ヹ

>>148120049
DELETE THIS

>>148119795
Why does she add the い after ぞ? Is that some rural hick thing, or what?

>>148120516
it's an anime thing

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Studying/doing reps while listening to Japanese ASMR is a good feel.

https://youtu.be/hHOZR7qc8Ng?t=1281

Here is one with rain sounds + girl sleeping and breathing softly near you. One of my favorite kinds and sadly quite rare.

>>148120615
Fuck you, I hate these things. They always make me realize how lonely how I am.

Anyone got any book recommendations.
I finished genki ages ago, and am now working at N3/2 level (or whatever UK a levels are equivalent to)
Preferably something cheap

>>148120805
>N3/2 level

Are you sure you'd pass N4?

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>>148120615
Who the fuck records those anyway? Is there an industry of sorts in Japan for this shit?

I'll try listening to it when I'm off to sleep tonight

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>>148120516

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>>148119918
それはわしぞい

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>>148120802
I got over that a long time ago. Been listening to ASMR for several years now, and now I find these kinds of roleplays the next best thing after 2D girls.

>>148120918
It's a moderately big thing in the West as well (seriously, just look up ASMR on youtube, there are millions of videos). But as usual, it's the Japanese who do it right, with their girlfriend roleplays and ecchi/ero audios. They sell them at stores like DLsite too.

>>148120615
I can't hear shit, fampai.

>>148120918
I like to imagine that at least some of them are cute socially awkward girls for whom recording weird shit in their apartment is the only way they can interact with boys.

Is the K-On manga much harder than Yotsuba?

>>148121899
Yes.

生徒 - student, pupil
徒 - useless, vain, aimless, idle, futile, transient, frivolous, imprisonment (for one to three years), foot soldier... oh yeah, but also person, group...

I giggled like a schoolgirl. (Albeit a very manly one.)

>>148122597
生徒　せいと
徒　と
Noun
1. party; set; gang; company; person
http://jisho.org/word/%E5%BE%92

>>148122597
>>148122775
と ［1］ 【徒】
仲間。同類の人たち。やから。 「無頼の－」 「忘恩の－」 「学問の－」
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E5%BE%92
Unfortunately with that reading it doesn't take on other other meanings found in あだ 【徒】and いたずら 【徒】。

>>148119047
園
ゐ
メ

>カマかけ？！
What is it? What does it mean? I can't seem to be able to decipher it, would appreciate any help.

>>148123087
かまをかける

>>148123374
Thanks, it fits.

>>148123394
Well then, do you know this?
時かけ

remember to buy a 4chan pass if you want djt to exist in a month

>>148119047
閂
ふ
ム

>>148123624
What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be in >>>/vip/ ?

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>>148123693
>>>>/vip/
>Anyone can view, but only 4chan Pass users can post.
嘘だろ？

>>148123693
>>>/vip/5148
I've found my home at last.

>>148123616
Most results talk about the movie, but maybe you'll find sentences that'll fit what you're trying to understand :
https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%E2%80%9D%E6%99%82%E3%81%8B%E3%81%91%E2%80%9D+%E6%84%8F%E5%91%B3&start=10

So yeah sorry I don't know.

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おはようおにいちゃん

かおあらって

はをみがいてね

>>148123782
>website is under financial difficulties
>admin is trying new things
>/vip/ is one of them
I don't see the problem here. It'll probably fail and Hiro will have to do some serious board purging to keep the site alive anyway.

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>>148109277
d-dekiru

>>148123624
Nice fearmongering.

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>>148123944
おにいちゃんすっごい

ちょうかいもうちょっとがんばろ

>>148123944
The Elite University of DJT, nice

僕は歯を磨くのは一日に一度だけです

悪い習慣かも

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Now that my handwriting has started to get comfortable and kind of lazy, am I starting to develop any bad or weird habits?

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>>148124279
あたしは二回だよ

日本では三回のひとと、二回のひとが多いよ

>>148123848
That was not a question.
I was going to have asked a quiz:)
We often omit words. Especially, proper noun.

>>148123944
Been studying for how long anon?

>工場を案内する
That を looks weird in there, as if I'm walking DA factory around and not the people...

I think I screwed up by focusing on kanji so much. I have an extremely hard time reading kana-only text such as the pokemon games.

How the fuck do I correct this? I feel like I fucked up my Japanese fundamentals.

>>148125200
を makes sense on 工場 since it's the direct object
I think the people you're showing around would go with に

>>148125260
Watch more anime. Subs are fine, even english ones, just make sure that you listen carefully to the words

>>148125406
What kind of anime would you suggest? It's true that I don't really watch any anime.

I was always advised to not try and learn Japanese from anime so it's a little weird to read that.

Today I did Anki for 40 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 37 minutes.

>閉館
>開館

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>>148125745
わかりにくいよねー

PushとPullもどっこいどっこいだとおもうよ

どっちもPuではじまったらいけないでしょ

>>148125583
Almost anything is fine, so long as it's not something extremely verbose like GITS. The point is not to "learn" anything, but to try to spot and observe things which you've already learned in their natural habitat.

>>148125043
3 years

>>148125745
Is there a problem there? You should know the kanji for Open and Close.

>>148125991
I didn't know the kanji for close so when I read 閉館 I felt weird and re-checked the word. Good thing I wasn't on autopilot

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>tfw you get to a page with a reaction pic you've seen a thousand times before

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Japanese is beginning to seem impossible for me. I spent 4 hours today trying to read how to use に対して、について、とおり、代わりに、に関して, にかける、ごとに　yet i feel like i know nothing about them all or rather i dont have a natural feel for them. I started to hate all these online guides with their limited vocab and one sentence examples. So then I tried picking up something raw, like manga. And holy shit, manga uses all these new words ive never seen before, but i still have not come across any of these grammar points ive been studying. I hate having to use kanjitomo every 5 seconds. I dont know how to properly study, and now im stressed about the jlpt. 助けて

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>>148126397
its a melancholy feel since it was used pulled from the translation

>>148126453
But using rikaichan is comfortable and instant. It's normal to see new words in everything you read.

>>148124338
if i turn my head it looks like it was written by a white person

>>148126544
>>148126453
Oops, I meant Kanjitomo, not Rikaichan.

Anyway, I think those verbs and expressions will stick a lot better once you actually encounter them in various works, rather than if you just try to use them by yourself.

>>148126453
>I hate having to use kanjitomo every 5 seconds
you're frustrated at using it when you've seen the word or grammar point before, but instead of remembering the grammar point you're just remembering the frustration

>>148126453
maybe bump it down a notch and read books more suitable for you currently such as 絵本s

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>>148126725
you mean "take it down a notch"
you bump things up, not down.

>>148126808
ok champ *looks at the camera while obscuring my mouth from your view with my hand and lips the word "autism"*

>>148126808
java it down a notch

>>148120802
I'd make hot milk for you 先輩.

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>>148126872
don't take it personally, fag.
i'm an ESL and i make mistakes too.

日本に行ったことがありますか。

>>148127086
there was no right or wrong everything was ok actually so please dont cry

>>148127124
まあ一応

>tfw I didn't do my reps for 10 days now
>I just hit good

Fuck you anki.

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>>148116915
Nice op pic

>>148126544
I dont get assimilation works for you people. When you learn something, wouldn't you know the word better reading it 10 example sentences than seeing it once or twice every hour in manga?
>>148126626
>>148126725
>>148126887
im mad at the fact that I dont know how to go from reading 絵本 all the way to passing the N1. It seems impossible. Theres no black and white method of choosing what to study. All i do is take a bunch of jlpt practice tests, get each question wrong, and then read up on the grammar or vocab for that question.

>>148127490
youre trying to take in a bunch of shit by proxy and youre going to end up with nothing in the end

when you cna fully understand books written for children who still poop their pants you can move on to books for kids who only sometimes poop their pants and keep moving up

if you chase everything you will end up with nothing

do my reps
repってよく見るけどどういう意味なの？
下ネタ？

>>148127124
Never been abroad ;(

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初音ミクがすきですか？
おれはだーいすき

>>148127562
repとはこういうこと

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-YWnGwtRZo

>>148127562
repetition
ankiでの復習カードの数

>>148127621
もう一度James Brownから聴け！

>>148127733
復習と、普段の習慣（自分の好きなこと）
ってことかな？

なんか絶対違う気がする

>>148127919
もともとウエイトリフティングの用語

>>148128099
私が元ネタを知るのは難しいだろうから、repetitionだけ覚えておきます。

>>148126453
Stop reading grammar for the sake of it and just read something interesting and look up the grammar and vocab you encounter. You will gradually understand more and more. The real way to learn is comprehensible input. Learning grammar is not language acquisition.

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>>148127213
>meanwhile inside your brain

>>148127558
Where can I find books for kids who still poop their pants? There don't seem to be any in the reading list

>>148125583
Shirokuma Cafe is a good beginner anime, because people generally speak slowly and there are often pauses in between sentences so you can process what you just heard. Also, it's good. I find the pace of the dialogue is the number one thing that makes most native materials too hard to listen to. After that it's how much of the vocabulary is familiar.

>>148128528
Just read Yotsubato. It's easy and very enjoyable.

>>148128528
actual japanese childrens books theres plenty of ebooks out there if you cant find them youre doomed

>>148128701
this isnt a childrens book

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all rote

a third of my suffering is over, but two thirds yet remain...

>>148128528
Nice timing buddy-o, I came here just to post this as a super-beginner resource: http://hukumusume.com/douwa/pc/jap/index.html

A fairy tale for every day of the year. It's really basic stuff by the looks of it.

>>148129035
Rote learning in general gets a bad rep, but I actually quite like the purity of it. The knowledge is just there for when you need it, with no silly mind games to distract you.

Should I try reading materials while doing Tobira, or should I just finish Tobira first and then try to read Japanese materials.

>>148129491
Rote gets a bad rep because you can use spacial learning instead by thinking "wow that kanji looks a lot like an eye".
Rote is LITERALLY the least efficient way of learning anything ever.

良くわからん。
反復練習？
俺の練習法をやってみろって？

>>148129499
The more comprehensible input you get, either via reading or listening, the faster you will acquire the language. Get reading.

Duolingoとかmemriseみたいな感じでankiってやつを使って今日の自分の目標分(かどうかは知らないけど)の単語の学習をやる、やったってことじゃないの？

>交ぐわる

Is that pronounced "majiguwaru"? This doesn't seem right. Is it still "intersect"?

>>148129893
Cool, I'll get to reading then.

How much Japanese should I know if I want to be a translator for a fansubbing group?
Also, what are some positions for a fansubbing group that don't involve knowing Japanese?

>>148130194
None, you just download horriblesubs and change some words around.

>>148130242
I can't believe fansubbing is dead.
I guess scanlating is where it's at then.

>>148130092
まぐわう
Having sex

>>148130092
交わる should be intersect. majiwaru

交ぐわる　should just drop the "ji" maguwaru

>>148130276
Scanlating is even easier, your audience can't hear the original Japanese at all so you can put whatever random stuff you like in the speech bubbles.

>>148130092
マジぐわうわ〜ww

>>148130276
When scanlating you can just look up a couple words per sentence and keep them in the translation so when people call you on your shit translations you can say it's a localization, not a literal translation

>>148130092
>Is that pronounced "majiguwaru"?
まじぐわう　は正しいです。
でも、「交ぐわる」という言葉は間違っています。
交わる or 交合う(まぐあう) が正しいです。

>>148130366
「交ぐあう」「交ぐわる」も間違いです。
「交合う」の場合だけ（まぐ）と読めます。これは当て字です。

>>148130758
交ぐわるをググれ

>>148130758
Wait wait wait HOL UP.

Are you saying that 交わる also means sexual intercourse as the actual deed?

I always thought it was just refering to being romantic with someone not specifically penis in vagina.

>>148130366
覚えている

>>148131099
ググったけど？
当て字を知らないの？May I bully you?

>>148131243
「交わる」と「まぐあう」は意味はほとんど同じ。
両方ともsexです。
「まぐあう」の方がwildな感じがある。
「交わる」の方はromanticな感じがある。antiqueな感じもある。

>>148131486
交ぐわるを使っている人がいるじゃないか
間違ってない

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>>148131579
間違ってる。
使ってる奴全員間違ってるよ。
もし、その使ってる人をつれてきてくれるなら、
そいつを一言でねじ伏せてみせるよ。

「いやそれ間違ってるから。」ってね

>>148131736
貴様は日本の皇帝陛下か？
違うなら貴様の意見はあの人達より正しいわけがない

Can someone translate this for me?

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>>148132391
whoops forgot pic

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why is Nano crying about tofu, I dont even know if this joke is related to japanese

>>148132391
Yeah it's: 「　　 」

>>148132238
「交ぐわる」が正しいか100人に聞いてみてください。
90人が間違ってると答え、10人の馬鹿が正しいと答えます。

ところで、あなたは私と会話がしたいから、私の言うことを信じないのですか？
だとすればあなたはkawaiiですね

>>148131736
私は使ってるよ！さあ、この逞しい裸の体で思い知らせるがいい！喜んで受けてたっ、立つよ！はぁはぁ

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>>148132753
おーけー。
じゃあ今教えてやるから、じっとしていろよ！

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>>148132851
わ、わかった！これでいいのか？

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Are song lyrics the hardest thing to understand in modern Japanese?

>>148132996
Not really? Sometimes they cut their sentences at weird places, but it's still not a big problem when you have the whole lyrics in front of your eyes.

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>>148132955
その返信はなかなか効いたぜ。
だが終わりだ。俺の勝ちだ

>>148133101
my fave part was how bad that arc got trashed in the ani

>>148133067
Do you understand it while listening to it and not looking at anything. Some songs are easier than others of course.

>>148132996
depends most pop trash is all the same shit over and over again

>>148132493
きゃああ！
先輩がわたしのことをかわいいって言いました！
幸せ〜
ありがとうございます先輩
この日は一生忘れません！

>>148132453
anyone?

>>148133326
Don't think. Feel it.

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>>148133101
塩水も滴るいい海の男よ、私の完敗だ。
焼くなり煮るなり、好きなようにするがいい！

フカヒレかぁ。いいなぁ

>>148133174
I mostly can now and it's been a while since I started to listen to japanese music not only for the melody but also for the lyrics too. Recently I even started to listen to more difficult songs, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5emTFPsLo

It's beautiful but God, I was completey lost at first.

>>148133732
That reminds me, I always find vocaloid songs harder to understand. The robotic voice does not help at all, but I might be the only one who feels that way.

This is a really nice song by the way. Always nice to find new stuff to listen to.

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Thoughts on dropping core6k and just going pure mining?

I'm at around 2200 in core and 3000 mining vocab, and it really feels like the effort that goes into core just isn't worth it. With no attachment to the words that you're being shown and their tendency to throw like 5 similar looking/meaning jukugo at you at once, it takes like 3 times the effort to memorize them and just isn't fun.

Of course I've already made up my mind as I was typing this, but I'm just curious as to what you guys have done.

>>148133849
I only listen to Vocaloid songs when of of my favorite singers has made a cover (Yoppei, Hanatan, Gurutamin...) because I don't like the synthetic voices of the original character (I have exceptions, but they are rare)
And yes this song is nice, it's also a good one for pronunciation training, I've been working on it for one week and I nearly can sing it now. You should try, I think karaoke is an excellent tool too.

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>>148133586
あなたの日本語はほめるに値する。
助詞を間違えないアノンはあまり見たことがない。

しかし、少しでもあなたがミスをするなら。
私はいつでもあなたをbullyできる事をお忘れなく。

>>148134167
>I think karaoke is an excellent tool too.
As long as I don't have to sing in front of people.

>>148134260
日本には15年も住んでいるし、そろそろ助詞を正しく使えるようにならないとやばくない？（笑）あと、ここでbullyされても、毎日日本人の同僚やお客様には褒められるし...どうって事ないよｖ

>>148134309
Nobody forces you to? But between us, you get better with practice, booth for singing and speaking japanese... I know I don't care anymore and karaoke with friends has become a lot of fun.

ゴムがあればいいねｗｗ

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>>148134475
な、なるほどそれは都合が良いでございますね。
私が英語の質問をしているときは助けてくださいね。

>>148134525
I only have bad memories in regards to that but I'm glad you're happy.
I do like to sing though. I have Japanese songs on my phone that I sometimes sing to in the car. I should sit down and really learn it and not be so casual about it.

>>148124338
yea, you write them sideways.

>>148133967
Mining is always better than drilling a premade list.

The core decks are good for getting a baseline set of vocab and for ankautists.

>>148134605
そう出来ればいいのですが、残念な事に英語には自信がありません。フランス語なら話が別ですが。

>>148134663
Too bad a/ and especially the djt threads are not the best places to post a vocaloo file, I wish I could encourage you to persevere.
What are the songs you like to sing, by the way?

Reminder that the japs use the same alphabet to spell your name that they use to spell the names of animals.

You will NEVER be on a native level. Just give it up.

>>148134863
I'm actually 日系人, so get fucked lol

>>148134260
>助詞を間違えないアノンはあまり見たことがない。
オイ俺を侮辱してんのかコラ
よくも

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>>148134755
そうなのね残念（なんだよ・・・下手に出て損したぜ）

Where is good to get manga raws?

ここに書き込んでいる殆どが日本人だろうな。
なんだこのスレは…


>>148135019
nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>148134863
Humans are animals too. And getting to native level isn't even necessary.

>>148134863
>nipland isn't a multicultural paradise free of hate bent on suicide through ethnic cleansing
wtf i hate the japanese now

>>148134844
Oh anon you sound really sweet. I don't even hang out with people anymore.
Usually I like to listen to character songs or OP/EDs. I like the ed for Baccano!, for example. Slow and sentimental songs are my favorites and they also are the easiest to understand and sing to.

>>148135074
But what if there are no seeds

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>>148134957
侮辱してるのかって？そのつもりはないヨ。
だが、あなたがボロを出したらいつでも切らせてもらうヨ。

>>148135074
そうでもない。日本語の上手い外国人なら日本のテレビにも沢山出てるじゃないですか？黒人の演歌歌手までもいるし。

>>148135162
The CoR has links to lots. Otherwise you can try looking on share or pd.

Or just buy them like I do.

>>148135274
I buy a lot but sometimes there are old ones that I can't find or have so many volumes it would cost a fortune to ship and they're only available in sets.

>>148134993
いつも本音を括弧で書けば助かるよ
そうしないとわかりにくいから

>>148135231
助詞の使い方がほぼ完璧に近い人が結構いるから吃驚したよ、

>>148135328
Give me an example and I will check on PD.

今晩は
Might some samaritan help me with this line from Nujabes shiki no uta?

流縷々涙止めそかねつる。
I get as far as 止め, but then don't understand what the そか is here; likewise with ねつる. As just ねつ it would be fever, but with the る tacked on it's nothing. ねつるい would be "hot tears" which makes sense in the context of the line and all, but no edition of the lyrics has that い at the end.

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Anybody have experience with using ocr? I need to scan and translate a whole novel and it would speed up considerably if i can use an ocr soft that worth a damn.

>>148135136
That's sad.
Look at this guy, if he can get that good, you certainly can too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBr4PPZ8eW4
And by the way, this is me:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1bLpUIwt4vz
The most important is to have fun.

>>148135385
それは日本人に向けてのメッセージ？
だとすると難しいな・・・

日本においてはたてまえを使うことが非常に合理的だからね。
その仕組みに外国人は入ってないからたてまえは使う必要がないけど、やっぱり分かりにくいんだね

>>148135670
what the fuck

>>148132453
bumping

>>148135670
same heres me http://vocaroo.com/i/s1NosZQDmVBx

>>148135414
私みたいに大学で習った人なら、基本がしっかりしていても可笑しくないと思います。アニメや漫画だけでは文法の細かいところまでカバー出来ないですからね。

>>148135822
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1NosZQDmVBx
My God this is hilarious? What is it?? And if it's really you, I think you actually are quite good (even if it's the same sentence over and over).

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How come in JAV they say "iku" instead of "kuru" ?

>>148135879
youtu.be/tRxlierbNZQ#t=59

>>148135670
>That's sad.
I guess. I don't really want to get into it though but it doesn't really have to do with karaoke but people in general.
I'll still practice singing though.
And if that's you you sound really nice.
>>148135822
Reminds me of Aku no Hana.

Hey, anons
Remember when I whined last year about sequences of 5 or more kanji being hellishly undecipherable?
Disregard that, for I knew nothing.

>>148135677
そうですか（なにそれ）
教えてくれてありがとうね（全然役に立たなかった）
日本の文化に礼儀が大事ですね（バカ共）
尊敬します（しない）

>>148135912
I'm lovin it.

>>148135912
Dude use actual editing software wtf.

>>148136076
i think low effort shit is artful see all of my posts since the beginning

What's the hardest thing to read in japanese? What's the final boss?

>>148135912
First it was only the prostitutes who were using that word meaning that it was so good they were like 'transported' to another world (= heaven). Then normal women started to use the that word too.

>>148136197
yourself

>>148136197
The art of war- Sun Tzu

>>148135968
It's strange to find someone nice and to hear that he has given up on people... Maybe you should give yourself time to heal.
And by experience, staying positive helps rebuilding what you've lost, in a lot of cases. Hang on!
And thanks for the compliment!

>>148135448
かねつる → 金ヅル

金ヅルどもを泣かせているって意味だよ

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>tfw bad day

I know what caused it, too. Melatonin. It's pretty common for me to be tired and out of focus all day after taking it. More so than usual.

And I'm going to need to take it again tonight, because I really need to push my sleep schedule back by about five hours, at least.

>>148136330
WTF

「かね」はナ行下二段活用「かぬ」の連用形。「かぬ」は、今の「かねる」にあたります。動詞の連用形について「～できない」という意味。

ちなみに「つる」が、「ぜ」と係り結びであることを確認しておきたいと思います。「ぜ」は、ご存知のように関東地方の方言。係助詞「そ゜」にあたります。

>>148136330
しょーもない嘘つくなよ…

>>148136393
use true retention

>>148134863
Wow...please don't give advice if you're this stupid.

>>148136437
Yeah no. You just had one job: to FUCKING google the words.


み立たしし島を見る時にはたづみ流るる涙止めそかねつる

巻二（一七八）
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皇子がかつてお立ちになられた庭園の島を見ると、雨の流れるように涙が流れ出て止められないのです。
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この歌も舎人たちが詠んだ草壁皇子の死を悼む二十三首の晩歌のうちの一首。
草壁皇子の宮殿は現在の石舞台周辺にあったとされ、島の宮とも呼ばれた人工の池が美しい宮殿だったと云われています。
そんな島の宮の庭園の池の中に作られた島。
「かつて草壁皇子がお立ちになっていたその島をいま見るといまはもう皇子のお姿はなく、雨の流れるように涙が流れ出て止められない…」との、皇子に仕えた舎人の悲しさが率直に詠われています。
庭園の島に立たれる生前の草壁皇子の姿が記憶にはっきりと残っているからこそ、その姿の見えない島の情景がより一層空しく寂しいものとして舎人たちの心を悲しませたのでしょうね。

>>148136498
まぁ私でも分からない古文の文法だから聞く方もどうかと思うけどね。嘘は良くない。

「ぞなむやかこそ」って呪文みたいに高校とかで習うけど完全に忘れてました。

>>148119047
昨
え
ホ

>>148136629
Wrong link, it was to that dumb shit:
>>148136330

>>148136437
わるかったよ
古文知らんけど、流れる涙を止め損ねている じゃね～の？

>>148136437
「そ」は奈良時代の係り助詞ですよね
「つる」は「つ」の連体形で
「そかねつる」は「かねたぞ」になります

一生懸命調べて教えたところで理解できるはずもなし
教えるなら「違う本を読め」ってことだけ。

>>148136616

Lol, how exactly is it stupid? The Japanese are a group of racist bigots who don't even consider those outside their own country to be human. Frankly I'm offended that they're even allowed to exist.

>>148136991
>All my knowledge of nips is off of anime

>>148137087

Actually I'm a native japanese born in america and I hate my existence. That's why I'm spreading the truth on the internet. I already know all the evil deeds of my people.

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>>148137152
>no timestamp

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>>148137152
Unit 731 was based.

>>148136732
Ah, I'm the poster that originally asked the question. This seems to be the most probable answer, as I understand the line is a direct reference to poetry from the past, though I can't find out what period exactly, Nara is as good a guess as any. At the least having the そ particle "drop" and using 兼ねる makes waaaay more sense then 金 in context. ありがとう日本語の先輩。

>>148136991
Japanese people have names in katakana. Animals have names in Kanji. You don't know anything about the language.

>>148137344

Are you really so delusional as to believe that? I guess you've already been brainwashed by their media. It can't be helped...I have a major in Japanese by the way.

>>148137307
We can't explain complete, and you can't understand clearly too.
It's too high-level.

>>148137514
Mmm, yeah. I realized just listening to the song I was biting off more than I could chew. As it stands not even English is my primary! Did verify that the poetry referenced is from Nara period though, from Man'yōshū.

So what if the japanese hate me? I'm stealing their language for myself since I fancy it. I will enjoy my porn and will refer to them as 君たち and myself as 吾輩

>>148137344
Don't answer to bait, please, this guy has an agenda.

>>148137586
Nobody cares about you, stop derailing the thread.

>>148137455
I have one too. And I've been living in Japan for 15 years so I've got nothing to learn from you. Now can you go bait somewhere else? We don't need hate propaganda here.

>>148137567
You like Japanese classics, don't you?
I don't think the way that to learn Japanese with 古文 is good.
However, if you like it, I think it's the best way.

>>148137762

If you've been living there for 15 years then that only solidifies my claims...you've already been corrupted by the evil clutches of their racist dastardly society.

顔真っ赤にした朝鮮人はトリアージタグ付けて放置。これ古来より伝わる日本人の知恵な

>>148137815
Studying 文語 grammar has vastly improved my understanding of Japanese grammar, especially conjugations.
I recommend this as well if you enjoy it.

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can someone tell me whats written on this cap?

>>148138882
It's a korean brand that is trying to trend with japanese katakana like we do with big meaningless kanjis on T-shirts.

>>148124734
Oh okay. Well 時をかける which would be like going back in time? i.e. rewinding the clock.

>>148137907
I said get out.

>不自由
>lack of liberty freedom and the american way
>merely an inconvenience
WTF JAPAN

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>>148139021

>I have a major in Japanese!
>trying to use that as a source of validity in DJT
>talks like a ween

He's pretty obviously a troll looking for some (You)s, which you are providing him with. When he responds to you, don't respond back.

>>148139021
You're the french lady right?
Did you go to Japan as a kid/teenager or are you like an アラフォー now

If the former, how did you actually end up going there (and staying there) at that age?

>>148139477
Yes it's me. I went to Japan just after I graduated from the University and immediately started to work as a translator in a little IT company (I also learned web design there because they knew I love to draw and saw a use for my skills there. As a result I can use GoLive in Japanese, which looks great on a resume). As I needed extra money I started to work in a convenience store at the same time (A Lawson) and discovered that I love that branch and to be in contact with a lot of clients. As I found that there were a lot of places searching for caregivers and because in Japan you don't need a qualification to become one, I quit my job and started to work in a retirement home for elders with dementia (and also a mental hospital but that was hell, so I quit after 1 year). The big advantage was that the terms are everywhere the same when it comes with caretaking in Japan: at least 150.000/month from the very first month plus the full social cover and a lot of bonuses (not mentioning the possibility to do extremely well paid night shifts). After 3 years of experience you can get your qualification, which I have now. Actually I'm half working in that retirement home and in a supermarket. First job gives me the full social cover without the extra long hours full time employees have to do, and the second one is just a complement that fills most of my off days. I'm now 42 and I can do whatever I want with my two shifts while earning quite a lot for a single woman, I guess. And have a long term resident visa. I'm perfectly happy with my life (and japanese elders are simply adorable)

>>148139965
not your blog, go away

>>148139965
subscribed desu

>>148140271
don't encourage her she derails the thread whenever she comes around

>>148139965
interesting thanks, good luck

>>148140290
desu the faggots who cream themselves because there's a girl on the internet are the ones who are responsible for most of the derailment

>>148140332
you're not wrong

>>148139965
Why are you getting triggered over someone shitposting on 4chan out of all place? The pet/gaijin katakana thing was obviously a joke.

I've had an agreeable conversation with you a few weeks ago but right now you just went full retard. Time to reflect on yourself, fix your priorities and tone down that ego of yours.

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>>148140332
Any girl on the internet wants attention; otherwise you wouldn't know their a girl

kill me

>>148140386
actually 4chan is one of the safe havens of girls that aren't sjws or attention whores because they don't have to worry about their gender getting doxxed and getting absolutely destroyed by mouthbreathers, thanks to the default anonymous nature of the site

What's /djt/'s opinion of Minna no Nihongo?

>>148140428
perhaps but its not like any other commenting and forum system requires you to tell everyone your gender either

>>148140372
I answered a question, a japanese language learning related question. The one derailing the thread is you. And no I never spoke with you. I don't speak with rude people.

>>148140372
Oh, so you're the one who posted this >>148139477
Makes sense now that you're jumping on the occasion to derail the thread. How lame.

>>148139965
Quelle est la vue des japonais envers les français ?
Toujours la version romantique ou l'extrêmement médiatisée et rapide sous-homminisation a changé celà ?

>>148139965
Wait, aren't you Bitch Sensei? Have you got a Sound Cloud account?

>>148140428
Is this why there's so many normalfags on 4chan these days?

>>148140290
Damn nigga you salty you ain't successful? maybe kys and you'll see the light of day.

>>148139965
What do you do/watch in your free time? Anime, or manga, or LNs, or VNs? Any recommendations for favourite Japanese media?

リア充は出て行け
リィィィィ━━━━━━━━

Is there a way to switch to the 10k deck from the 6k deck? I don't want to lose my progress on the 2k-6k deck, but I want to move to the 10k deck.

>>148140566
Les Japonais son completement fous de la France, je passe mon temps a recevoir des compliments a chaque fois que je dis que je suis Francaise. Pour eux, la France est le pays de la mode, de l'elegance, de la liberte, on est tous des artistes avec un gout irreprochable. Des fois c'est un peu enervant. Et c'est dur de leur parler de la France de ces dernieres annees, surtout quand tu es nee a Marseille... Sinon, pour eux, les Francais sont aussi extremenent fiers. Ca, je le vois a chaque fois que je m'enerve un peu au boulot. Pour eux, c'est parceque je suis trop fiere pour accepter les critiques. Mais c'est eux qui encaissent et encaissent et encaissent... jusqu'a exploser un jour, ce qui est heureusement assez rare.
Je pense qu'on est aussi un peu trop 'directs' pour eux, on dit ce qu'on pense sans jamais vraiment reflechir, parfois. C'est bien d'etre sincere, mais j'ai appris a reflechir un peu plus avant de parler, ici. La 'distance' entre les gens est differente aussi, ils parlent peu d'eux meme, meme entre eux. Le premier reflexe qu'ils ont en face d'une confidence est la prudence. La ou c'est different, c'est dans ces maisons de retraite. Ils sont tellement seuls et tellement souffrent tant, qu'ils vont s'ouvrir presque immediatement, que tu sois un etranger ou non. Quelques uns considerent qu'une 'Francaise' ne devrait pas changer des couches, c'est amusant. C'est comme lorsque j'ai essaye de postuler pour un boulot dans une fabrique et ils m'ont retenu de toutes leurs forces jusqu'a ce qu'ils me trouvent quelque chose de moins manuel. Je ne me plains pas parceque je vois enormement de respect la, y compris pour la France, et meme si l'amalgame est un peu genant, je leur suis reconnaissante. Surtout qu'ils ne reagissent pas comme ca pour tous les etrangers.
Desolee, c'etait un peu long... mais c'etait une question interessante.

>>148140533
>Oh, so you're the one who posted this >>148139477 (You)
wrong
don't let your emotions get in the way of your judgement ;)

>>148140643
yes

>>148140372
>Why are you getting triggered over someone shitposting on 4chan out of all place?
Gee, maybe you should check out the rules. Posting quality is highly important to the community.

>>148140900
Is every normalfag actually a girl?

>>148140909
lol

>>148140932
no many of them are just edgelords that got exposed to the modern internet in highschool or colleve

>>148140852
Intéressant, je suppose que je pourrai me dégôter du boulot sans trop de peine dans ce cas, à condition que je me dépêche tant que le stéréotype à toujours un peu de traction.

... Même si je ressemble plus à un chasseur mal-dégrossi avec ma barbe sauvage qu'à un bobo parisien, haha.

HAHAHAHAHA

YOU FUCKING WEEBS

お前達、口からクソを垂れる前と後ろにマァムを付けろと習わなかったか？
行儀よく出来ない子は晩御飯納豆だけにしますよ

>>148140533
No I'm not. Also that's quite a lot of (You)s you're giving me >>148140494 >>148140909 in order to justify yourself.

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As a chauvinist, I am extremely offended by this. Where can I contact Heisig and inform him to have it removed for future print?

>>148141107
> >>148140533
>No I'm not. Also that's quite a lot of (You)s you're giving me >>148140494 >>148140909(You) in order to justify yourself.
Try again

>>148141065
Hi Maxime.

>>148139477
これ日本語で書くべきだったな
そうしたらアホどもが読めなかったしこんなバカな真似もしなかっただろう

今後気をつける

>>148140736
I don't read LNs. I tried, seeing how popular some were here but I can't help thinking Japanese express themselves much better and more 'colorfully' through animation.
Till a few years ago I was addicted to dojin novels though.
I think I've watched or at least tried to watch everything a/ was talking about, but at my age, I find it more and more difficult to take any kind of interest into child or adolescent character's lives.
The last show I tried to watch was 91 days, but it wasn't mature enough for me. Well, it's hard to find anything as rich as Monster... So now I only read very old manga in japanese mangakissas. The ones so old the pages are yellowish. A lot of cooking, sports or mafia centered mangas, in fact. Realistic mangas like医竜. This one is a gem. At least to my eyes.
When it comes with music, my tastes are very eclectic. Lots of popular things you'll heard about also here, and obscure things I found totally by chance, like covers of Vocaloid songs by good amateur japanese singers. I can't recommend anything there. But it's the same for everything else, it's my tastes after all.

The way some of you instantly change their speech pattern simply because we're in the presence of a woman is simply ridiculous.
>>148140566 >>148141065 >>148141307
Aren't you ashamed?

Hey guys I have a vagina too! Perhaps I could become the muse of your life. ;-)

>>148141065
Si tu peux faire des recherches en japonais, voici la ou j'ai trouve la majorite de mes boulots:

http://aichi-foreigner.jsite.mhlw.go.jp/english.html

Je crois qu'ils ont des branches partout au Japon. Ils ont des traducteurs certains jours, t'aideront a ecrire ton curriculum vitae, appeleront eux-meme les boite que tu auras selectionne pour te presenter et gerer l'entrevue d'embauche etc. Mais tu as aussi des sites de recherche d'emploi online comme Baitoru, avec une section speciale pour les etrangers:

http://www.baitoru.com/lp/foreigner/

Bonne chance!

みんな、境界性パーソナリティー障害って知ってますか

>>148141415
What did your mother do to you? Seriously. So much rage here.

>>148141307
私も。日本語で答えられたし、はぁ～　疲れるわ。

>>148141332
Have you dated Japanese guys?

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Recommend me some nice nico nico channels you fucking faggots.

>>148141703
Hu... haven't you seen how some people are already accusing me of derailing the thread by simply answering questions related to japanese language? How am I supposed to justify being merely polite in this case??

I'm tired of doing 250 cards per day, guys.

I still do them, but I'm tired.

>>148141444
不味そうな食べ物ですね。食べて死んで下さい。

>>148141870
It can't get any worse than this, you've blogged about your whole life already.

I'm genuinely asking you about your romantic experiences in Japan. Answer if you feel like it.

>>148141890
Do you mean reps? Or 250 new cards a day. If reps it's not much really, worst case scenario do 50 by 50 (the green number that is), and do breaks/something else in between, aka :
50
Tae Kim, read, whatever
50
etc

>>148141890
Who forces you to?

>>148141923
Yeah, no thank you. I don't even see the point.

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>>148141923
I have 20 new cards per day but also like up to 220 reviews per day.
>>148141935
pic related

>>148142005
Ah, well in that case... you have to protect her smile, Anon.

>>148141976
Not everything has to have a point. Sometimes it's just nice to share.

>>148142025
Isn't it the opposite? To defeat her smile that is.

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>>148142025
I'd say 頑張って to you, but we both know you 出来ない.

>>148142052
Not here.

>>148142063
Do you need to know every single star in the universe?

>can't stop rolling my fucking r's when pronouncing japanese words
Is it time to start smoking in the bathroom?

>>148141643
FF9まだかい？

I really wonder how sad does your life have to be to be 42 and blog on an anonymous forum made to discuss Mayan cave inscriptions

>>148141332
Which of the following anime have you seen:
結城友奈は勇者である
ソ・ラ・ノ・ヲ・ト
新世界より
ココロコネクト
Re：ゼロから始める異世界生活
魔法少女リリカルなのは
ゆゆ式
未来日記
恋と選挙とチョコレート

>>148142306
pretty sad i'd think desu

>>148142166
しまったーーーーーーーっっ、完全に忘れてた！確かＰＣ版もあったよね？隣のゲオでレンタルしよう。　今月結構時間あるからゆっくり遊べるｖ　また話そうねｖ!

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>>148142025
That's not quite right. I want to wipe that smug little grin right off her fucking face.

What's the best linux IME?

>>148142311
Sadly I haven't watched any of these. As I said before I can't be bothered with Moe anime about kids... However, there are some exceptions to the rule like Free! and I'm also greatly enjoying Yuri on Ice this season. PM me if you need any more recommendations ;)

>>148142306
The only reason I wouldn't post on 4chan when I'm 42 is if 4chan don't exist anymore.
Which I kind of hope is the case, since I WANT OUT HELP

>>148142311
I... think I dropped every single one of those...

>>148142431
IBUS/Mozc is working pretty well for me.

>>148142431
ibus/mozc with the kana table modified so nn spits out んn instead of ん

>>148142467
>dropping ssy
don't do that

>>148142439
>>148142467
Never post on /a/ again

>>148142467
you belong in /int/ or something

>>148142311
overrated
didn't watch but plan to
great
didn't watch
okay
didn't watch
not funny enough
being a meme isn't enough to make me watch it
original source is eroge so it's garbage

How did I do?

>>148140909
im a little late (was having sex) but i also wanted to lol at this post

>>148142158
The fuck is that going to do

>>148142564
pretty well, here's your keycard, come back any time

>>148142390
PSXEmulatorを使ってオリジナル編のほうが一番いいと思う。SteamのFF9は・・・ちょっとね。でも最終的にどちでもいいよ。

アニメの話について、きののたびを進める。

>>148142575
In American culture masturbation isn't considered to be sex.

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>>148142311

>>148142629
Well we're all Japanese here so it's k.

>>148142681
Nope, I'm a human.

ところで私はゲイ女性

私になんでも聞け

>>148142629
what does that mean to me

>>148142491
I lost interest because I was late and everyone was spoiling everything here and everywhere. Plus in terms of animation or visual direction, it had nothing special (and I hate the overuse of CG).

>>148142737
ssy made some of the younger millennials go nuts but personally it was gay

>>148142764
>it was gay
exactly

>>148142458
Allow me to rephrase myself: I really wonder how sad does your life have to be to be 42 and still get mad from an obvious troll on an anonymous forum made to discuss Mayan cave inscriptions

>>148142764
>>148142785
I think SSY had a lot of potential and a great world building, problem was the adaptation itself, I always felt like I had to think I liked but without really liking what I was watching. I remember finding it really painful to watch midway through.

I'd like to read the books someday.

>>148142737
There isn't much to spoil it's not like it's based on twists

The music there is is great although unfortunately they replay it enough that it gets repetitive.

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>>148141332
Who's your favourite author

Your reputation depends greatly on this

>>148142830
>I'd like to read the books someday.
Has anyone here read them? How complex is the text?

if you want to watch a good anime try romeo tanakas rewrite it was sick and dope but the common riff raff didnt get it

whos stoked for "moon" and "terra" 2k17

>>148142932
Shut the fuck up kuso idiot

>>148142947
whats your issue

While we're on the topic of anime what's some good newer anime (past six years) for old faggots like myself who gets disgusted by MOE. It makes me kinda angry when I see it.

I've seen Attack on Titan, ONE PON!!!! and really enjoyed both of those. Also saw steins;gate and it was kinda gay but I didn't hate it.

>>148142624
そうなんですか。Ｓｔｒｅａｍとかよく分からない、そのエミュレーターを探してみるわ。アドバイスありがとう！

「キノの旅」はいいことし聞かないし、ね！それも探してみる。最近「走れメロス」を見ましたけど、もとても良かったです。ご存知ですか？