Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1693

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ぞいぞいぞい
いぞいぞいぞ
ぞいぞいぞい
いぞいぞいぞ

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Were there any manga that ever gave you a serious hard time? I don't mean your first time but after having read a couple. Sure it was hard at first but now I feel like I could read any manga I want now.

Can't say the same for VNs, LNs, etc.

Stupid question, but how exactly am I supposed to use Anki?

Just try to memorize the card and hit "show answer"? And then again/good/easy? Or is there more to it?

I swear learning foreign languages became too damn complex on its own. I learned English by just playing Diablo 2.

>>148074792
固くなってきた

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An epiphany (from the ancient Greek ἐπιφάνεια, epiphaneia, "manifestation, striking appearance") is an experience of sudden and striking realization.

>>148074887
Look at the word or whatever on the front
See if you remember the meaning and reading
Click show
If you remembered them both press the buttons according to how well you remembered
If you don't know or didn't remember then click again

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>>148074896

>>148074958
So it's literally just the same old cards, except you don't have to cut them out of paper anymore? But there are some hidden algorithms behind it, which I shouldn't mess with, correct?

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>>148074792
I want to play with the one on the left while the bunny in the middle one nibbles on that pink carrot.

>>148074930
I thought 暗記 was knowledge, and 覚える was memorize

>>148074887
>>148075016
RTFM
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html

>>148075044
相変わらず素敵なポストですね、ぞいさん

お疲れ様

>>148075044
滅茶苦茶セックスだよね

>>148075016
Read the anki start up guide.

What you should mess with:
Set max reviews a day to 9999999
Change your daily "new cards shown" to whatever you're comfortable with. 10 is a good start for the first few days, then you can crawl it up and see how it goes

>>148075032
What's that picture from and why am I not reading it

>>148075062
Memorise
Remember

>>148075062
Anki means to memorize something in order to recite it. Like a script or a list or something.

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>>148075128

>Miss a word at least 1 day old in anki
>5 pushups
>Miss a mature card
>10 pushups

My retention has fucking soared doing this. It's incredible.

any tricks you do, anon?

>>148075143
As opposed to actually useful memorization, aka learning? That's rather fitting, then.

>two hours playing a VN, 82 new cards in Anki
It doesn't bother me as much as when I was a beginner though. New cards are words and expressions you don't see a lot like:
>無きにしも非ず
>呂律

>>148074792
Well there was a 5-10 pages manga an /a/non posted earlier full of cursive script, non 常用漢字 and stiff language. I gave up quickly

>>148075240
I suggest you look up the word and how it is used before shitposting.

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https://youtu.be/5uC4AUyju7k

Reminder that you will be treated like this when you visit japan!.

>>148075586
But I'm half-Jap.

>>148075586
Can't wait for 日本moot to burn /pol/ to the ground

>>148075586
How is that any different to how most anons would be treated where they live now?

>>148075586
ホワイトピッグゴーホオオオウム

>>148075586
>when you visit japan
But I don't plan to. I just wanna steal their IPs.

>>148074792
Solid.

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>tfw you finish your anki reps for the day

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You're all welcome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0tYeK_kkA

>>148076263
You have to tell me if their answers are all SJW shit or actual sensical shit before I even consider exposing myself to that video

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>>148076235
>tfw you don't touch anki for a week because you already forgot most of the words and you feel bad when you get reminded of it so you keep pushing it back day by day.

>>148076323
They're trying to stay polite for the most part by trying to be "objective" and "fair" but you can tell they don't want immigrants.

>>148076263
>You're all welcome!
The fuck for?
This shit doesn't belong on /a/.
Go away.

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>>148076235
>tfw a giant virus annihilates your hard drives and everything on them but then you realise that includes Anki

>>148076263
Wow, the English teacher guy is handsome as fuck.

>>148076461
>but you can tell they don't want immigrants
A bit like /a/ doesn't want outsiders who keep talking about 3DPD shit.

>>148076576
He's a solid 6/10

Where are you from? Most northwest european twenty something men look like this (Dutch,Danish etc)

>>148076444
I guess you just don't wanna learn japanese

>>148076561
>not downloading all your info back from ankiweb

>>148076895
>>148076948
What the fuck is this shit?
>>>/soc/
Don't come back.

>>148077231
Enjoy your ban.

>>148076461
I didn't get that impression to be honest.

>>148074597
青葉ちゃんはとても可愛いですね?

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What's the first kanji?

>>148077824
だよね

>>148077864
araragi

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>>148077864
一

>>148077864
暦?

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>>148077941

Could someone explain to me what class 基礎学 is? I feel retarded but I really don't get what kind of class that could be.

>>148077955
Oh, right, thanks.

>>148076461
Nobody really wants "immigrants" because "immigrants" usually means uneducated people who come to try to compete for shit jobs

But people don't complain nearly as much if the person can speak the language perfectly and is a functioning member of society.

>>148077824
>>148077906
青葉が俺の妻だからそんなに話すな

>>148077996
Something like General Studies (?)

>>148078060
They don't complain as much because you'd be able to understand when and how hard they shittalk about you, you filthy gaijin.

>>148078086
No idea. Someone is asking someone else their 基礎学ノート (if it's been 提出'd yet). They're in 3rd year of HS so perhaps it's that thing about their future? But in this case why "ノート"?

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>現れる

Saying this 5 times fast without fucking up the pronunciation is hard.

>>148078120
But how do I stop being a 汚い外人?

>>148077996
Gleaming over a few different references:
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/265398/meaning/m0u/%E5%9F%BA%E7%A4%8E%E5%AD%A6/
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/52296/meaning/m0u/
http://linux-topics.com/linuxBeginner/beginner5.htm
http://www.kisogaku.net/index.php?kiso
http://www.sankei.com/column/news/141027/clm1410270001-n1.html
It seems to be used in reference to foundational knowledge or I guess what might be referred to as remedial/101 type class for a subject; the basics.

>>148078227
Is it from 聲の形?

>>148078288
You can't.
And you should be happy about it, it means Japon will keep being Japon long after your death.

Each time a japanese person look you badly, understand that it's the border closing a little more.
When little japanese children point at you and laugh because you're not japanese, it's another generation voting to keep the borders closed.

I can't wait to be a japanese citizen and to be discriminated against.

How long will it take to eloquently shittalk a Nip with superior verbosity? N1 plus a few years?

Could someone help me proofreading this http://mushiscan.tumblr.com/post/151214044770/shinreijutsu-transcript-and-translation
Thanks in advance.

Do you need to specifically take time to learn vocabulary like you did kanji, or is it easy to infer what words mean once you know all the component kanji?

>>148078716
>like you did kanji
>he fell for the "learning kanji" meme

>>148078841
What, was this a mistake or something? About 3/4 of the way through the joyo kanji now I hope I haven't been wasting my time

>>148078267
Can barely speak without mumbling like a sperg in English, let alone Japanese, but recording was at least an eye opener. Had to re-record it three times just to slow down because all you could hear was a stream of mumbling. Props to anons who can speak properly in any language, let alone a second or third one.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s17XdTi8bsUu

>>148078862
I assume that you would already know the answer to your question if you had been learning vocabulary as well, which means you weren't learning vocabulary too, which means yeah huge mistake.

Won't be useless but you could have been learning japanese instead of making up stories.

>>148078862
>What, was this a mistake or something?
No. Ignore the autists here and don't stop learning. The worst thing you can do is lose momentum.

>>148079029
Each and every day.
Keep those neural connections firing, Anons.

How come if you're not learning Japanese everyone here will always tell you "oh it's so easy, you're just lazy, you can do it if you try" but as soon as you are actually trying they change their tune and tell you you are doing everything wrong and will never accomplish anything and you should just give up?

>>148079029
Yeah, I took a break for 2 months and I kinda regret it, took a while to get fully back into the swing of it.

>>148079098
That's 4chan for you.

Got good news for you though. If you keep trying you'll speak the language eventually. I remember the hard task of trying to learn English like it was yesterday. Now my English is more advanced than my native language.

Just keep trying and you'll get there eventually.

>>148078716
It's better if you do, but you can sometimes guess the way it's written from the way it sounds or the way it sounds from the way it's written. You may have heard a word before and then see Kanji which may be read like it. It's like a three way puzzle between meanings, readings and Kanji, sometimes.

You didn't study Kanji independently of vocabulary did you?

Reading then Meaning, or Meaning then Reading?

>>148079370
Reading and approximate meaning

>>148079370
I find reading before meaning helps you actually develop associations that don't require you to translate everything in your head so much.

>>148079163
It does not happen with Japanese.
I am still trying to make it more natural without thinking about grammar but I can't seem to be able to

>>148079163
>Now my English is more advanced than my native language
Is this common?

>>148079605
It's a common claim by ESLs but really they just mean vocabulary but not grammar or fluency or anything else.

>>148075586
>that picture
oy vey
Wouldn't ア go where カ is, though? It looks a bit silly as it is.

>>148079163
if youre more advanced at english than you are at your native language i feel sorry for both you and your countrymen 爆笑

>>148079605
Depends on their living context. If they are in an English environment and barely use/encounter/etc. their native language, it's going to get weaker over time.
Ages ago I read an article about a guy who, due to war or something, ended up moving from China to Japan (or maybe the other way around) and spent most of his life in the new country and when it finally returned back to his home country, he couldn't understand any of his family. Kind of a sad story, I guess, but it emphasises the use or or lose it element of memory.

>>148079769
Japan to russia for like 50 years I believe.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had some head problems due to war and all though.

>>148079098
You can do it if you try, and that trying involves an estimated 900 hours.

You should try to learn Japanese from the sounds first then the meaning and grammar, like what they say >>148079437 >>148079453. Do it even if it sounds like a bunch of gibberish ching chong in your head. It should help you from falling back to thinking in English. Keep at it and as much as you can try thinking in Japanese even if it seems it's going nowhere.

You'll get there.

Does anyone have the LN ざるそば（かわいい）?

>>148079850
50 years entirely outside of your native language would be more than enough to basically forget it, surely.
On a side note, I just had a captcha that made me draw a line around a street sign. What the fuck, Google?

日本語は難しい。。。

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>>148078955
That was pretty good. I fall over myself after the second time.

>>148078716
Learning kanji is ok, but you should really start learning vocab now. Especially since you're almost done with kanji.

Most people recommend here that if you're going to do kanji study then you should do it along side vocab.

>>148079971
はい　活用形です

>>148079967
Enable legacy captcha.

>>148079917
http://www.zip-rar.com/%E3%81%96%E3%82%8B%E3%81%9D%E3%81%B0-02/

>>148079967
>What the fuck, Google?
They want you to train their driving AI

>>148075132
>Remember
*No*.
>>148075062
Anki: Memorize, learn by heart
覚える: Learn, *having learned* (*not* "remembering")

>>148080117
That's worse than the current one.

>>148080137
>27MB
I'm guessing this is in an image format? I was hoping for an epub or something

>>148079675
>why wouldn't it ___
because it's crackpot nonsense

>>148080198
You're wrong

>>148080198
>覚える: Learn, *having learned* (*not* "remembering")
It is both, with "learn" more strongly associated with 覚える・覚えた and "remember" more strongly associated with 覚えてる

>>148080277
I'm not wrong.

>>148079129
I took a year break.

I have a nice big scar in my anki stats to show it. To remind me, never again

>>148080308
>>>覚える: Learn, *having learned* (*not* "remembering")
>It is both, with "learn" more strongly associated with 覚える・覚えた and "remember" more strongly associated with 覚えてる
覚えている isn't 覚える.

死ぬ doesn't suddenly mean "having died" just because 死んでいる means "having died".

覚えている is translated as "remember" because it means "having learned" in that form. It does *not* mean "remember". 覚えている can and will be used in places like "You've learned our names already?!"

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>>148077941

>>148080198
>*No*.
Where did you get that from?
>おぼ・える【覚える】
>１ （「憶える」とも書く）見聞きした事柄を心にとどめる。記憶する。「子供のころのことは―・えていない」
>２ 学んだり経験したりして、身につける。習得する。「こつを―・える」「技術を―・える」
>３ からだや心に感じる。「疲れを―・える」「愛着を―・える」
>４ （古風な言い方）思われる。「お言葉とも―・えません」
>５ 思い出して話す。
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/32917/meaning/m0u/%E8%A6%9A%E3%81%88%E3%82%8B/
That seems pretty clear cut that it certainly does mean to remember/recall something.

>>148080366
>覚えている is translated as "remember" because it means "having learned" in that form. It does *not* mean "remember
You're wrong.

>"You've learned our names already?!"
I don't think you know English either.

Can you guys help me with this? I'm trying to read this gravure models wikipedia page for practice and I understand most of it but this one but confuses me a bit.

"ブログなどがよく削除されると本人は述べている。"

(She) mentions she deletes her blog often.

Is that correct? Seems somehow very weird as the previous clause just talks about how she absolutely doesn't do any nudes despite highly revealing costumes.

Here's the article. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%A8%E5%AE%AE%E7%95%99%E8%8F%9C

>>148079971
日本語は難しいけど毎日が頑張れ

>>148080401
>>５ 思い出して話す。
>That seems pretty clear cut that it certainly does mean to remember/recall something.
That doesn't mean what you think it means if you think it literally means "to remember/recall something."
>>148080439
>>"You've learned our names already?!"
>I don't think you know English either.
Considering I'm a native speaker I know I know more english than you.

>>148080366
>覚えている is translated as "remember" because it means "having learned" in that form. It does *not* mean "remember". 覚えている can and will be used in places like "You've learned our names already?!"
You're just playing semantic games with English meanings by being selective about contexts.
Do you actually care about meaning or are you trying to look for a meaningless point of contention to argue over? What is the point of your post?

>>148080501
>You're just playing semantic games with English meanings by being selective about contexts.
That's not semantics. You wouldn't say to someone you literally just met today "You remember our names already?". It is, however, possible to say to them that they've 覚えている'd your names already.

>>148080484
Nice job ignoring this one
>１ （「憶える」とも書く）見聞きした事柄を心にとどめる。記憶する。「子供のころのことは―・えていない」

I'm leaving so don't bother responding. You can keep on exemplifying Dunning Kruger while I'm gone.

>>148080459
I think it means that her blogs often get deleted.

>>148080484
>That doesn't mean what you think it means if you think it literally means "to remember/recall something."
Why did you ignore
>１ （「憶える」とも書く）見聞きした事柄を心にとどめる。記憶する。「子供のころのことは―・えていない」
The example used in the first direction related directly to remembering/recalling a time period.
Seems pretty dishonest to ignore the very first definition and jump straight to the very last one provided. What's your game here, exactly?

>>148080585
Keeping something in your mind is not the same thing as remembering it. I have no idea why you think this corresponds to the english word "remember".

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Blogpost:

Due to porn addiction I consume a huge volume of japanese hentai especially nukuges and other hentai games.

Frustrated that I don't really understand anything that is happening I decided to learn kana for a week or two so that I can at least read the katakana parts like items in games.

>2 weeks later
Finished kana. Still unsatisfied with my level of comprehension I decide to try and study kana-only vocab for another 2 weeks

>2 weeks later
Still don't understand a lot. Decide to read a grammar guide for a month

>month later
The VN I'm trying to read drops a fuckton of kanji at me in later chapters. Decide to study kanji.

>3 months later
I fucking break down and just resign to the fact that I'll have to genuinely study japanese long term to have a grasp on what actually happens within my porn.

How were you tricked into studying japanese anon?

Are there any Anki decks that make you actually fill out the answer so you can't cheat and go "well I was close enough" and mark it right? I feel like I"m giving myself too much slack

>>148080617
Please never translate.

>>148080617
>Keeping something in your mind is not the same thing as remembering it.
The example provided in the definition refers directly to memory and recollection, or not being able to, talking about the speaker's childhood.

>>148080725
>I'm bad at english so I better meme

22 months into studying and I've pretty much become an unironic weeaboo. I think Japan is the best country in the world, that the Japanese are a masterrace, and that Japanese culture is superior.

Anyone else seen the light?

>>148080730
It's clearly describing the experience of undergoing a recollection, not the act of recalling it. Remembering is the act of recalling.

>>148080617
Look here, you dippy dog. Words on different languages do not have a 1:1 correlation. Just because some dictionary decided to use one word to represent one Japanese word, and a different English word to represent a different Japanese one, doesn't mean those Japanese words literally mean those things. They were just using the English words to try to illustrate the concept. Words can and do overlap in meaning, and they won't necessarily overlap in the same way that analogous English words do.

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>>148080786
>It's clearly describing the experience of undergoing a recollection, not the act of recalling it.
>recollection, not the act of recalling it

>>148080590

Aah, so it's more like:

"Her blog gets deleted often she (the person himself) mentions."

That seems to make a lot more sense. Thanks!

>>148080770
Not really, the whole collectivist aspect of Japanese culture never appealed to me much.

They do make some pretty things though, and Japan itself is nice to look at, but I'd never want to be a Japanese person.

>>148080814
>Look here, you dippy dog. Words on different languages do not have a 1:1 correlation.
No shit.

>Just because some dictionary decided to use one word to represent one Japanese word, and a different English word to represent a different Japanese one, doesn't mean those Japanese words literally mean those things.

What? 暗記 versus 覚える isn't even what's going on here.

>They were just using the English words to try to illustrate the concept.

Illustrations can be deceptive.

>Words can and do overlap in meaning, and they won't necessarily overlap in the same way that analogous English words do.

>>148080845
Hello ESL. "Undergoing a recollection" is not "the act of recalling something".

>>148080770
>>148075586

This post was meant to redpill people like you.

>>148080675
I wasn't I just want to read my porn

>>148080864
>"Undergoing a recollection" is not "the act of recalling something".
Yes it is, you dense fuck.

>>148080904
>Yes it is, you dense fuck.
It's not. Try learning english.

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>>148080617
>Keeping something in your mind is not the same thing as remembering it. I have no idea why you think this corresponds to the english word "remember".

>>148080857
I'm the exact opposite.

Their collectivist society appeals to me but I don't like their nature,architecture and general aesthetics.

Pretty weird that Japan never went full socialist since their culture would compliment it.

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>>148080770
>Anyone else seen the light?
I have, and the glare makes it hard to see my monitor, so I shut the curtains.

ハオアルユウツデイ？

>he cites goo as a reasonable dictionary
the other guy is trolling but holy fuck you're stupid

>>148081100
アイムファイヌ

>>148081107
>he cites goo as a reasonable dictionary
What are trying to imply here?

>>148081203
use an authoritative dictionary instead

like, in the west, there are only four things you can cite for what something means:

- webster's dictionary
- oxford dictionary
- wiktionary
- educated, unbiased native speakers

in japan, "goo" isn't on the corresponding list


i know nothing about whether those particular definitions are good or not, but if you cite them coming from goo then whoever you're responding to can keep leading you on

>>148081291
>i know nothing about whether those particular definitions are good or not, but if you cite them coming from goo then whoever you're responding to can keep leading you on
So you're making an appeal to authority based on something you don't even know? Amazing.
There is nothing wrong with goo.

>>148081354
>So you're making an appeal to authority
what the fuck is wrong with you

i'm not arguing against any of your points you fucking cunt

stop trying to read shit between the lines that isn't actually there

>they didn't just say "that definition came from daijirin"

>>148081291
>- wiktionary
Wikitionary is like Wikipedia: user edited.
>- educated, unbiased native speakers
This is pants on head retarded. Naive speakers are not an authoritative source on word definitions.

>>148081418
>stop trying to read shit between the lines that isn't actually there
One doesn't have to read between the lines because from your posts it's clear enough that you're a fucking mong and more than likely this anon >>148080617 who is trying to deflect criticism by pretending to be an objective third party.
Also,

stop

formatting

your

posts

like

this.

It makes you come across like someone who found this thread through somewhere like Reddit. We have a quote function you can use for listing points. Anons call it
>greentexting

>>148081596
He does it because reddit requires double line breaks.

>>148079906
>900 hours.

Try 4000

>>148081596
>>- wiktionary
>Wikitionary is like Wikipedia: user edited.
wiktionary isn't controlled by cabals and doesn't have encyclopedic standards so it's fine

>>- educated, unbiased native speakers
>This is pants on head retarded. Naive speakers are not an authoritative source on word definitions.
who are you going to ask about slang?

>you're a fucking mong and more than likely this anon
kill yourself

Guys, guys, can't we all just get alone?

>>148081596
>trying to deflect criticism by pretending to be an objective third party.
Anon...

>>148081647
Holy shit hahaha. Actual redditor 発見 I guess. Anon irrefutably btfo.

>>148081658
More like OVER 9000 hours lol

>>148081715
>Responding to yourself

There is literally noting wrong with double line breaks.

>>148081734
>oh no, I've been found out

>>148081753
>when you're so mad you start samefagging with the reddit boogeyman on anyone that looks at you

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>>148081135
アロハオウエェェェェェイ！

>>148078362
Thanks for looking it up anon, I had to go for a while.

Yes it is, haven't read farther than the page in question since I just got back.

>>148081900
russian piggu go hoomu

>tfw your question makes the thread into a giant shitpost

Whelp.

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Does adding "dakedo" to the end of a sentence change its nuance, or is it just an annoying habit?

>>148083723
the kedo part means "but" or "though"

>doing core2k
>red and white and just their own kanji
>light brown is a kanji+the kanji for colour

for what purpose japan.

>>148083984
茶色
Tea + Colour
How hard was that?

>>148083984
what about 白色 and 赤色

>>148084130
It's not "hard", just funny and inconsistent. Why isn't red "apple+colour" or something? Why isn't white "snow+colour"?

>>148083984
>緑、緑色
why Japan
>ピンク、桃色
why Japan
>オレンジ、橙色
why Japan
>青い、蒼い、碧い
why Japan

fucking deal w/ it

>>148083984
This is why it's important to also know a bit of the history in japan.

Red White, Blue are considered "original colors" which were native to the japanese people.

When Japs started to integrate kanji in their vocabulary they noticed that chinese gave names to colors that Japan didn't differentiate between themselves. These colors were given the chinese kanji for this color plus the color kanji so that japanese people could understand it.

The same is true for western world. We didn't have a distinction between green and blue for a long time (we know this because ancient greeks described the ocean,sky and grass as green in ancient texts). Orange and red are only being considered as different colors for 400 years in the west (the color is named after the fruit and not the other way around).

>牛耳
>牛耳る

What
The
Fuck

>>148084465
t.今ワットザファックっている

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How many hours does everyone here put in a day?

I'd put in about 2-3 hours on a weekday and 4 on a weekend.

>>148084465
ググれ、カス

>>148084465
A kind of similar phrase exists in English.
>Take the bull by the horns.

>>148084558
Depends on the day. Usually about the same.

>>148084340
>Red White, Blue are considered "original colors" which were native to the japanese people.

America x Nihon OTP

i actually really like 茶色 because tea is brown

i also like 紅茶 because black tea isn't actually black but indeed more brown or crimson red

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>>148084599
>implying

>>148084340
>We didn't have a distinction between green and blue for a long time
Actually most germanic languages did.

>we know this because ancient greeks described the ocean,sky and grass as green in ancient texts
That's because that word meant "cyan" back then. They still had a word for indigo though. They used perceptual colors, they didn't have the additive and subtractive models we use today as objective references. As far as the greeks in particular were concerned, the seas and skies were a particular objective color, which can be anything from navy to cyan to a bluish green.

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>>148084558
I've yet to get into a regular rhythm. I have no shortage of time, but I'm never sure where I should focus my attention when there are so many different things I could be practicing at any one time. Should I work on grammar today? Vocabulary? Stroke order? Kanji? Radicals? Listening practice? Pronunciation?

I've never had to learn something as intensive as a new language entirely on my own before. I never really learned how to study, if that makes sense. It's easy to get overwhelmed.

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For fuck's sake man. Why did I even bother to learn radicals? What the fuck am I supposed to see when I look at this?

>>148084558
Like 30 minutes. Tops.

>>148085173
亻丶人　for starters. Are you sure you learned radicals?

>>148084690
>Actually most germanic languages did.
Maybe so, but Germanic languages didn't distinguish between blue and black instead.
Ever heard of Harald Bluetooth? He was named so not because he had a blue tooth, but because his tooth was black.

>>148085310
Indeed.

>>148085310
Explaining blåneger in contemporary Swedish

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>>148085156

>Never learned something intensive before
>Learning what is probably the hardest major language with the possible exception of Arabic

>>148085256
>>148085173
the middle thing more like ム or い
i've just looked at fonts and handwriting and examples of both were found

>>148085477
not him but i've studied linguistics, programming, and game design for years, and keep in mind that the last thing is basically the wild west and it's all still easier than japanese as long as you don't get mislead.

>>148085156
Well, what are your priorities?

Would you like to speak Japanese? For business? To make new friends in Japan?

Would you like to read? Manga or classical literature?

Would you like to watch movies/anime raws and understand?

These are all of course linked, but having something to focus on helps you structure your learning.

>>148085478
Dictionary says there's a 丶.

>>148085667
dictionary is wrong
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/以#Glyph_origin

Hi, all. Translating an article for some fun but I dont know how you would translate nerf (as in nerfing an ability in a game) into japanese. Help?

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>Been about a month since I started
>Know about 120 Kanji, can introduce myself, hold a basic conversation, and count to a million if I wanted to

Is that considered a decent start to learning a language this hard?

>>148085926
>a month
>120 kanji
>4 kanji a day

CANT

>>148085926
unless you have a 9 hour/6 day work week and go to school, no

>>148085912
ナーフ

>>148085772
Just because it originated from ム doesn't mean it still is one though.

>>148085912
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/nerf
>弱体化修正

>>148086090
Just that? Do they use that term over there? I've not heard it. Would someone go like ナーフやろ or something?

>>148086110
It's written in the same stroke order as ム as well

>>148084558
Probably less than an hour most days, spaced out throughout the day. Biggest block is right after I wake up, then I just do reviews as they come up throughout the day in small blocks. I try to keep the overall time commitment relatively small since a little bit a day, every day, is much better than killing myself with a massive amount of reviews a day and then burning out in a month or two.

>>148078524
Just keep saying お前がだ

t. bane the big guy

>>148086271
>Probably less than an hour

Sorry, but you can't learn Japanese. Not even trolling here, it's my sincere opinion. Even college kiddies put in more than an hour a day. If you can't even manage one, you're wasting your own time.

>>148085976
Don't insult people for going slower than you do. It's more important to keep up a steady effort than to try to cram as much as you can into each individual day.

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>>148083797
Yeah, but they add it even when it's not a contraditory sentence dakedo.

I always feels it adds a bit of hesitation/uncertainty, but that might be just my linguistic bias towards our standard use of "but".

>>148086337
Not him, but there's a difference between keeping up a steady effort with decent progression and steadily putting in no effort at all.

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>>148085477
Well, why not? If I wake up everyday and say to myself, "I want to learn Japanese, but I can't start until I've already learned x, y , z, α, β, γ..." I'm never going to learn Japanese.

>>148085570
All of the above. I'd say my immediate goal is be be able to read untranslated VNs. Eventually I'd like to achieve full N1 proficiency and work in Japan.

Today I did Anki for 28 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 2 hours and 13 minutes.

>>148086353
There's like three uses of the "contradictoary" mood in japanese, much like english "though".

>>148086334
Well I'm not counting time I'll spend reading native material once I get enough of a foundation to get something out of it, probably in a month or so since I'm finishing up on Core2k at the moment. Also not counting things I don't do every single day, grammar study for example which is more sporadic and done in shorter bursts rather than being a part of my everyday routine. There's no reason to be needlessly discouraging.

>>148086426
Ah, I souka! In that first sentence I wrote if we put a "though" instead of dakedo, it makes perfect sense. I can see the light, arigato, anon-sensei-sama.

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>>148084558
Around 2 hours a day.
Gonna be less soon though because I decided to stop learning new cards in 2k in favor of mining cards from reading

How do I use a dictionary grammar? I can't seem to find some grammar points that are covered in my text book. For example, に気がつく and のだろうか does not seem to be covered by the book.

>>148075224
I got incredibly buff doing this. It's incredible.

Retention still sucks though.

>>148087157
What exactly are you looking for? に気がつく literally just means what it says when you hover over it with rikai. Some for the other one really, but if you just google it you get instant results: http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A0%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E3%81%8B

>>148087235
I just wanted to see how it would be in the reference book, and just to see if the reference book is good for self study. I guess if I get stuck on grammar I'll just look it up on the internet then. I haven't installed Rikai yet.

>>148085926
You should already be attempting to read native literature after a month. Forget conversation. you cannot produce anything until you are able to fluently understand input.

アノン君お願いします
These are the sentences from the game of Little Charo.
C: Do you know this area well?
>M: Well, I guess "you" could say it's like my own yard.

Why does the second sentence use "you"?
"I guess I could say ～" is wrong?

>>148087631
I believe by using "you" M-kun is implying that he would like to offer C-kun his anal virginity.

>>148087631
You is used in the place of "one" in casual speech.

I guess you could say = I guess one could say

～とも言えるでしょうか

>>148087775
>one could say ～とも言える
OK! I got it. thanks

>>148087752
No. M-chan is right:)
And I don't give my ＊ for you!

>>148087631
Also, "I guess I could say ～" is not wrong, but the meaning is different.

"I guess you/one could say" = 一般的
"I guess I could say" = 僕から言うと・・・

>>148078657
Hey I remember you. I'm happy it's going smoothly.

>>148087094
Is that Japanese cocaine?

>>148088115
Do both sentences explain "it's my own yard"?
I hope so.

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>DJT

>>148088511
Blow me.

When you have a case of a bunch of similar words with the same reading but different kanji, was it originally one word that they gave different ways of writing after a while to differentiate different uses, or what?

For example 辞典, 事典, 字典

>>148089672
Were "there, they're their" all the same word?

>>148089453
Sure why not.

>>148076263
Giving a about what random Japanese people think is as pointless as giving a shit about what random people in any other country think.

>>148090148
Apparently not. https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/38ge1e/there_their_theyre/

>>148089288
holy crap it's so accurate

not that i'm gonna stop

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おはようおにいちゃん

ノーベルしょう

とって

>>148090640
大隅良典先生、おめでとうございます

I have been studying Japanese for 7 weeks and I only know about 300 words of vocab, ~50 kanji and only have the absolute slightest comprehension of grammar. Am I gonna make it or am I just a born dekinai?

>>148091502
At that pace no but start doing 20 words a day in anki and you have a chance

>>148091502
Forecast your future progress based on your current pace and tell me whether you think you're going to make it.

>>148091502
You talk like learning Japanese is something that's happening to you rather than something you're doing. You weren't born dekinai, you chose it.

>>148091502
You have to be a NEET to learn Japanese.

>>148091502
Nobody knows because nobody here has done it. DJT is a piece of shit. Why am I here then? Well, because I just happened to scroll past this thread. DJT is beating off to Anki stats and no real Japanese. DJT is dekinai.

>>148092751
t. salty dekinai who gave up

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>>148075586
I'm perfectly fine with that and in fact think that japs should be more racist toward foreigners.
I don't want gaijins, myself included, ruining their culture and country.

>>148078862
Sorry bro, you wasted your fucking time. Not entirely, but you cannot pick up words from kanji alone. There is no pattern as to which reading to use and the meanings are not always related. There are a few kanji like 竜　with one reading but anything else is a waste of time. Also plenty of kanji outside the joyo meme.

It's not a total waste but if anyone told you, you can just go in to the native text and start understanding, you got memed on.

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>>148092486
im neet, get reasonable sleep and im still dekinai
check and mate fella

>>148092867
Not true, I read every day. Enjoy your anki.

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>>148076235
>tfw increased new card limit for today
Being an ankidrone is weird.

>>148092919
Oh wait, 竜　has multiple readings. Anyway, point is, you're fucked.

>>148092953
So does every non-retarded person doing Anki. You just lack the discipline to do both.

>>148092937
same

you non-24? autistic? adhd?

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>>148092937
>tfw shit retention but your retention will never be as bad as this guy
feels good

>>148093148
What's this true retention addon?

>>148093201
A placebo.

>>148093109
>you non-24?
no
>autistic?
no, was tested
>adhd?
possibly, not been tested

im just trying to lose weight, but when you do that your recall on definitions becomes.. murky, like the confidence level drops to a 'only seen it once' level and i hit again

>>148093065
Anki if you do it at all should be a side thing, instead it's all you fucks ever talk about. I would rather even listen to reddit even, I bet they have actual advice from multiple language learners and shit.

Every great success story I hear, never has fucking Anki involved. You know why? Anki is a big fat meme. People don't even use it right, they set it to show them new cards on their core decks, rather than words they personally learned already and just want to make sure they don't forget.

Core doesn't even show all the meanings for each word. Fuck you Anki fucks you will forever be dekinai.

英語難しい

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Retention depends a lot on what you're testing yourself on.

>>148093256
>Every great success story I hear, never has fucking Anki involved.

Then you've avoided all success stories that don't involve people living in Japan for years.

>>148092937
You rack disciprin. 20 new cards a day is normie 出来ない tier. If you're a NEET, then nigga, what are you doing? If your retention is that bad, you should start eating protein rich food and always remember to take your ritalin.

I this the same faggot from 2 threads ago complaining about Anki?

>>148079605
Not really, no.
But if you start spending your entire days with nearly no contact with your native language, in a few years things start to feel weird. My vocabulary is definitely greater in english than in my native language but I can't really say if the same applies to grammar rules and such.

>>148093567
>ritalin.
ive actually been trying to score some modafinil:

During probe 2, Modafinil mice spent more time in TQ than Saline mice [F(1,18) = 5.33, p<0.05]. Modafinil mice spent more time in TQ than OP [F(1,9) = 50.84, p < 0.001] while Saline mice did not [F(1,9) = 5.02, n.s.] indicating that Modafinil mice learned the location of the platform while Saline mice did not. When treatments were reversed in probe 3, Modafinil mice (that received saline) continued to spend more time in TQ than Saline mice (that received modafinil) although this result was out of the range of significance [F(1,18) = 4.09, p=0.058]. Modafinil mice spent more time in TQ than OP [F(1,9) = 68.72, p<0.001] while Saline mice did not [F(1,9) = 3.28, n.s.]. These results indicate that Modafinil mice learned the task by the seventh day of training while Saline mice did not, given the relatively small amount of training. Also, Modafinil mice retained this knowledge of the task when tested off drug and Saline mice remained unaware of the location of the platform when tested on drug.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2884197/

>>148093749
No I only just came in, what did the other guy say?

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>>148093148
I know that feel.

>>148093951
>over 80%
>50 cards a day
not even a comparable situation dude

>>148093951
>500+ cards
just fuck my shit up fampai

>>148093845
What, are caffeine pills not enough for you?

>>148093831
If your English is better, than man it must suck to be you since you can't properly express yourself in any language. At least EOPs have one language they can communicate fluently in.

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>熊害や毒蛇の咬害
fucking wasps, what the fuck does it mean?

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>>148092937
Sucks to be you.

>>148093225
This.

I made it.

>>148094207
it would give me something to alternate between and prevent receptor shutdown, keeping the dose lower

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>>148094346
No anon, it sucks to be you

>>148094345
based entirely on the kanji I'd say it means
(things such as) danger of bear(s) and being bitten by poisonous snake(s)

>>148094423
>finished deck
You cheating bastard.

>>148094345
熊害 熊による被害
毒蛇の咬害 毒を持った蛇に噛まれる被害

>>148094274
I've yet to have that issue in either language senpai.

>>148094274
>than
K.

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>>148094345
>ゆーがいやどくじゃのこーがい

なんでそう読むのかはごせんぞさまにきいてね

I hate this beginner shit. I wanna read but I'm not done Tae Kim. I do three lessons a day, and I feel like I forget at least 2 by the next day.

やっとthe rock has戻ってきたto djt

調子はどうだいドンカンboyz

youtu.be/TVbstlqcXs4#t=160

>>148095021
Keep it up and some day you can hate this intermediate shit

よく何か映画を見ますか

Is this "How often to do watch/see movies?"
or yoku after nanika?

イモウト陛下、いらっしゃってくださって誠に光栄でございます。
陛下の美貌は麗しゅうでございます。
我々は陛下のためになんでも捧げて参ります。

>>148095140
At least intermediate shit I can read and absorb new words that way. Languages are such a frontloaded effort.

>>148095021
Being a beginner is so fun.

An abundance of easy beginner resources. Everything is new and full of wonder. You have an excuse for being terrible. You can still give up without wasting 2 thousand hours. That overconfidence from understanding your first batch of 5-word sentences...

Etc.

>>148095167
おっさんに向かって何いってんのアホか

>>148095320
>An abundance of easy beginner resources
Almost all of which are useless and redundant compared to doing 40 new cards a day of anki and occasionally reading some grammar. I'd consider that a pitfall rather than a benefit since there are so many ways to go wrong.

今週の初めて「私はゲイ」の出番だな

>>148095162
「よく」かどうかを訊きたいなら、「何か」を削った方がスムーズな言い方だねだね。

>>148095320
Things are all new and confusing, since there is no exact equal in english, and it comes down to a lot of vague feelings.

I'd rather understand like 80% and learn new things in context, even if that's frustrating and flow breaking for compelling content

>>148095337
陛下への侮辱は許せん！
黙れ、無礼者！

>>148095320
That's all nice but it all boils down to are you actually learning something? It feels hardest at the beginning because I'm tripping over every other word.

>>148095563
so i do use yoku before?

>>148095791
It wouldn't be what you want anyway, it would be "do you often watch moves"

か without a question word is always a yes or no question

>>148095791
前後は関係ない
>よく何か映画を見ますか
だと、見る頻度を訊いてるのか、映画が何かを訊いてるのか少し曖昧。
Omit よくif you telling frequency or not.
Omit 何か if you telling what kind of movie.

>>148095838
>>148096300
Alright, ill figure out what im trying to say. thanks for the help

>>148095162
おんなことば
>映画っていいよねー

おとこことば
>映画どう

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>>148075062
Get the Kenkyusha EPWING dictionary for Rikaisama. It's in the CoR as "J-E EPWING Dictionary (新和英大辞典 第５版)".

To install it, open your Rikaisama settings, go to the EPWING tab, then click add and find the file called "CATALOGS" in the folder you downloaded. To use the EPWING dictionary, hover over a word with Rikaisama enabled and press "p".

>>148096672
Getting a new dictionary won't help him, he just needs to read more and learn the nuances of these words.

>>148095167
×麗しゅうでございます
○麗しゅうございます

麗しい
麗しくある
麗しくございます
く→う
麗しゅうございます

これらと同じようなものですよ：
ありがとうございます　（たく→とう）
おはようございます　（やく→よう）

Anki makes me want to throw up. I hate this so much. I want to kill myself.

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>>148096967

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>>148096967
アンキ様す・て・き

why wasnt i born in japan

>>148096967
Let's kill ourselves together.

>>148096967
dont worry its not necessary at all

>>148097540
because youre blessed

I'm trying to read the first few pages of the Silmarillion in Japanese and what the FUCK is this shit? Do I have to study classical Japanese to understand this? The only way I can comprehend anything is by reading side by side with the English text.

>>148097734
the silmarillion is hard to read even in english so uh good luck

>>148096869
直してくださって感謝致します。
不束者ですがどうかご容赦ください。
イモウト陛下の名のもとに精一杯頑張ります。
これからも支えてくださえば幸いです。

>>148098289
>くださえば
くだされば

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And this is to go ever further beyond

>>148098369
直してくださって感謝致します。
不束者ですがどうかご容赦ください。
イモウト陛下の名のもとに精一杯頑張ります。
これからも支えてくだされば幸いです。

>>148096869
ほー！参考になった！

とても臭いおならが出た
でも本人としては最高の臭いと意識する
なぜなんだろう

>>148081900
This. I'd prefer to be hated by racist Japs in comfy Japan to being hated by virtually everyone in a frozen hellhole of corruption and pollution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdfjHMRQcIw

>>148099132

so ka

>>148098858
人が納豆カレー食べてる時に。ゆるさん

>>148100396
一子　best　子

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>>148100746
賛成
大賛成

>>148099018
Fuck off immigrant scum.

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>tfw even the nhk presenter asks the guest for an easy explanation of オートファジー and you tap out

How long do you think I will need to study before I can move to Japan and join a doujin game circle? For some reason I always thought that life would be fun as fuck, just creating doujin games all day with my homies and kicking back.

Yeah I know it's not particularly profitable but money is not really a concern for me, I just want to make games.

>>148101111
about 1111 years

>>148101111
As long as it takes to find doujin devs ready to become friends with a weird gaijin and let you in their circle.
>money is not really a concern for me
I hope by this you mean "I have rich parents that will support me being an eternal tourist in Japan" because Japanese government don't just give work visas to people making doujin games.

>>148101111
Depends on what you want to do. Being a writer obviously will require a native level understanding, really beyond your average native level honestly, since the "average" person who speaks a language doesn't necessarily know it with the kind of intimacy required to be a truly great writer in it, even if they have been speaking it from birth. If you want to be an artist or programmer or something you could probably get away with just knowing enough to make yourself understood and understand the gist of the requirements from your group, or if they know English you might not even need that much.

>>148101111
if youre a nobody with no friends the odds are 0 gaijin trash good luck at comic market idiot

>>148101243
Yeah I have a fair bit of money stashed away due to a game I created in the past being moderately successful, so I doubt I'll have to worry about money or work any time soon.
>>148101322
Well as mentioned above I do have some track record as a successful solo game developer. I've never really worked on a team, but I've always been fascinated by the whole doujin culture. Not sure if too many people in Japan will have heard of my work, but surely if I bring it up it might go some way towards getting my foot in the door?

>>148101432
if you have money then you can start your own circle easily if you dont have connections

>>148101432
Keep DJing, phil, don't expect people to not know you're an asshole just because they speak a different language.

>>148101514
Yeah but would a circle started by a foreigner be a true doujin circle? Even if I tried to hire Japanese people to fill it it would be hard to find qualified people with the right kind of experience without those same connections.

>>148101605
theres a lot of foreign peeps who sell shit at comiket

also dont look at it as hiring

come up with a project and have the money to actually see it through and have people come tryout and if they are in line with your vision then become doujin nakamas or w.e

>>148101111
0b101111 = 47 years. It has been foretold.

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>tfw just realized that SoL VNs are the best material for mining, reading and listening practices

>>148102136
But that's wrong.

>>148102136
I find plot focused VNs better for that. Can't really appreciate dialogue and humor when I fumble every other sentence, while a good plot is fun no matter how much time you spent piecing it together.
Also plotge give you a much more focused vocab range to mine while in SoL works you get a zillion words from random bullshit trivia barely related to anything and can't remember it for shit.
Like I had to mine 弘法 thanks to To Heart 2 and just failed that bullshit today again, it's been a fucking year.

DJT, what are your thoughts on Genki?

正気か？ヤツの女性としては初の全米で最も体臭のキツイ政治家の称号は伊達では無いぞ？

>>148102303
> I had to mine

You didn't "have" to do anything dumbass. If you yourself admit it's a useless trivia word, why bother memorizing it?

>>148102574
すごく遅い

>>148102574
It's probably the best introductory textbook on the market. Make sure to do it properly though, i.e., at about the same pace as a college course (this means you should spend approximately two years completing Genki 1 & 2)

Now that I know what 草 means, I feel really stupid.

It have to itselves own

>>148075586
I was born and raised in America. I can handle a few Japanese people calling me a white pig. The worst I've seen from gaijin hate videos hasn't even approached a FRACTION of some of the shit I've gone through in my life, in my own home country.

America is a shithole unless you're rich, dude.

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>>148102612
Slow, but good, yes?

>>148102669
I really need something to serve as the backbone of my studies. I thrive under a pre-established structure. When I'm left to piece everything together on my own it just doesn't work. I learn nothing, I get lost in my head. If I can't attend a formal class I need to be able to follow a set lesson plan.

Would you say Genki would be good for me? I'm fine taking it slowly, as long as it really is the best.

>>148102574
In my opinion it's way too slow and boring. I think it is more effective to quickly read through tyler kim (or any guide) and get into reading where you can pick up and solidify everything rather than doing exercises in a textbook