Overlord ANIME and MANGA thread

>>148062659
Probably 2nd episode or the one with the fight in the graveyard, which is 9 i think?

>>148062659
I, too, enjoy the Overlord anime.

please stop bullying us janitor-kun

>>148062659
Does anyone want to talk about FANFICTION as well?

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>>148062659
I liked the episode where everything went according to Ainz-sama's plan, as expected.

>>148062715
this meme needs to die, this level of autism is too far

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The bath episode was the best, as expected of Ainz-sama.

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>>148062715

You do know that links get threads deleted right.

Overlord is copyright content.

So just in case PLS, whoever reading this don't be that kind of "FightdapowerAnon" and get threads nuked.

>>148062820
But what if I want to fight the power?

>>148062820
I highly doubt that linkz are what gets the threads deleted.

We link thousands of torrents (nya), hentai, doujins, and other shit all day long and it's not deleted.

This isn't a LN board though is the issue

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>>148062659
Ainz vs mai waifu Shalltear.

>>148062841
The new rules stated LNs were allowed on /a/.

>>148062659
Why do you have to emphasize anime and manga when plenty of other LN-based series threads go untouched? Is the mod still deleting threads?

>>148062841
>This isn't a LN board though is the issue

Re:zero the WN still gets a lot of thread in /a/ and they never get deleted.
along with other LNs that get posted in /a/
just wanted to point that out

>>148062841
>This isn't a LN board though is the issue
It's allowed, though.

>>148062892
>Is the mod still deleting threads?
Yes. He's obviously just being biased against the series.

>>148062894
Hell, there's even a pointless thread for KyoAni's nanowrimo thing and another one for the Umineko VN.

Mod the fag has returned to once again delete Overlord threads even though LNs are allowed on /a/. Typical humie.

>>148062841
The main reason we got shut down this time is because of people posting links to the illegal translation of the LN

IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WON'T HAPPEN IN THIS ANIME AND MANGA THREAD THOUGH

>>148063040
I don't think that's the case since the mod immediately deleted the following consecutive threads made thereafter. Check the archives, he deleted like 4 threads afterwords.

>>148063130
Were there even any links in the first thread to get deleted? I only remember people saying "use google" and shit

>>148063040
>>148063130
>>148063173
The mod obviously has a personal vendetta against Overlord.

>>148063265
Fuck you

>>148063265
>the ESL shitposter is indonesian
what a surprise

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Hey, that anon from a previous thread who wants a Valkyrie (male). It's thanks to people like you we get Skyrim, a game where you can become the Head of of a local Mage Guild by bashing everyone's heads with your axe.

>>148063360
>who wants a Valkyrie (male)

I don't want anything. I just said gender exclusive classes are poor game design and probably didn't exist in Ygg.

>where you can become the Head of of a local Mage Guild by bashing everyone's heads with your axe

Sounds fun. Why are you whining?

>>148063360
>I can't accept the existence of male Valkyries because muh mythology

It's a game, retard. People like you who don't understand basic game design shouldn't be complaining about how it's other people's fault that your autism doesn't let you enjoy games.

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>>148063360
Anon who proposed Valkyrie (male) here. I was obviously joking, but if Loki can shapeshift into a female horse and give birth to Sleipnir, than an undead skeleton of sufficient magical power can probably shapeshift into a female human and take levels in Valkyrie.

At least Skyrim let you reanimate corpses instead of just summoning undead from thin air like Oblivion

>>148063547
So classes, levels, skill trees and special equipment are poor game design?

>>148063602
Are you retarded or just expert at missing the point?

>>148063360
On the contrary, you're the one who wants a female exclusive Valkyrie class. It's only natural that every class be available to both genders.

>>148063547
Why call it a Valkyrie then?

In that case, I want a Centaur that's half man and half another man.

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>>148063360
>>148063452
>>148063547

Just do what Black Desert did. Same class different name. With a bit difference.

There we have it.

>>148063629
There's more to being a Valkyrie than just being female. Wings, lance, holy magic, etc.

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>>148063452
>>148063547
>muh game design
At what point did you figure that YGGDRASIL devs gave two shits about what constituted good game design?

>>148063130
Don't put "LN" in the title, don't put "edition" in the title and don't make the OP a meta post bitching about mods.
This is common sense, people.

>>148063629
There are centaurs that aren't even half/half and by now the term has come to mean "a being with two arms and four legs"
In the same vein, the average minotaur is now a bull beastmen instead of just a dude with the head of bull and if you bring up labyrinths they call you racist.

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>>148063173

You missed the link posted to DL all the translated LN from vol 1- 9.

>>148063656
Yes, but being female is a pretty fucking important aspect of a Valkyrie.

If you want a male class with wings, lance, holy magic, psychopomp properties, etc, then that's perfectly okay, even a good idea. There's no reason to call it "Valkyrie" though.

Call it something else and be done with it.

>>148063360
Valkyrie (male) as slutty traps pleases me.

>>148063676
>devs are retarded or don't give a shit, that means my head canon bullshit is true

Seriously, stop being a retard. Gender exclusive classes don't exist for obvious reasons.

>>148063729
SJWs ruining everything as usual

>>148063719
>inb4 SJWs claim Anon is sexist against the 3rd gender.

>>148063729
>Gender exclusive classes don't exist
So do you think there are Miko (male)?

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>>148063452
>>148063547
>>148063625
Then what's the deal with differentiation between "human" and "not-human" races Yggdrasil had? According to your bright logic, the devs wouldn't divide races in two distinct groups, one of which can have race-related classes and the other can't.

Like, holy shit, why can't an Elf get a few levels in the Lava Troll class, it's so unfair!

>>148063702
Why are you being so autistic about this? I don't want anything; you're the one that wants a gender exclusive class; which is unheard of in an MMO or RPGs in general. Games don't care about mythology. They make shit up. Why are you so anal about them sticking to the mythology?

>>148063729
Not only do some MMOs have gender-exclusive classes, some of them even have gender-exclusive races, or races where the gender differences are so pronounced both in appearance and stats they might as well be two different races.

>>148063783
You know, all this discussion aside, I can think of several classes that the devs could make female exclusive and nobody would complain much, but I can't think of a single class that I can reasonably imagine being male exclusive without much complaint.

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why is lupu the best pleiades

>strong divine caster
>excellent physical abilities
>immortal
>forever young
>delicious brown skin
>redhead
> potential for ss as a sadistic oneesan chara
>great sense of humor (on seeing Agu remarks that enfirea was finally cucked by a goblin)
>great sense of timing


how can other pleiades even compete?

Lizard arc OVA when? I want to see steamy lizard sex animated.

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>>148063729
>ahurrdurr
Plenty of MMOs have gender-locked classes. These days it's mostly to save budget by only having to create one character model (and then cash in by making tons of skins for that model), but gender-locking has never been uncommon.

Go back to WoW with your demands that Tauren should be Paladins despite the wealth of worldbuilding saying they shouldn't.

>>148063813
Because sticking to the mythology gives flavor instead of having them be generic palette-swapped versions of each other. You want to be a Valkyrie, play a girl. Want to be an Incubus, be a guy.

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Hang in there a moment, is that Anon that posting all these Valkyrie can be male happen to be one of those CZ GBAnons that wanted their dicks chopped off and turned into girls?

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>>148063729
Yeah, Ragnarok Online with its Dancer/Bard class is a thing of myths. Or Wizardry games with Valkyrie classes.

>>148063834
The robot, just by existing

>>148063813
I'm not the original guy you're discussing with. I'm just saying having a male Valkyrie is dumb, no game would do that.

Also, I can think of some RPGs that have gender exclusive classes. For example, Diablo 2, all classes are gender exclusive (some in the lore even, there are no male Sorceresses).

>>148063834
You forgot
>bears litters
>wants to be your bitch (literally)
>mind is experienced, body is a virgin
>drips like a faucet when ordered to take off her panties in public

>>148063813
>I don't want anything
>Except being a special snowflake that doesn't make sense

>>148063783
Miko (male) would probably be something like a Shinto priest.
Valkyrie (male) would probably be Einherjar.
Just because a class is gender-locked doesn't mean you can't have an analogous class of the opposite gender.

>>148063856
TERA added a few gender-locked classes too, as I recall.

>>148063872
>no game would do that.
>well okay, except for those incredibly popular games

Not to mention the most salient feature of Yggdrasil is to make the players go "this is such a dumb design choice, no game would do that"

>>148063900
>I'm autistic and want game devs to cater to how I think classes should work even though it's shitty game design

>>148063813
>Games don't care about mythology. They make shit up.
If they make shit up, they can make up the name as well.

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>>148063813
>you're the one that wants a gender exclusive class; which is unheard of in an MMO or RPGs in general.
>or RPGs in general.

>>148063924
>well okay, except for those incredibly popular games
Please, do name a game that has a male Valkyrie class, please.

I'd be interested to play it, actually, see how they handle it.

>>148063963
I meant video game RPGs like Skyrim, not TTRPGs like DnD.

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>>148063834
I love Lupus!

>>148063923
Slayer was race and gender-locked (all Slayers are Elins, all Elins are girls).

Blade and Soul has some gender-locked classes (the Yun are female only elves and they can only take certain classes).

>>148064031
I want to lick dat hip.

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>>148062659
What a silly question

>>148064017
Counter-examples are mentioned in this very thread

>>148064017
From how this argument has been going, it doesn't look like you've played any RPG besides Skyrim.

>>148062659
TENDERLY HUGGED

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>>148064046
What a badass.

>>148063452
>gender exclusive classes are poor game design and probably didn't exist in Ygg
And I say it isn't. To get levels in any profession you probably need to meet certain criteria: lvl, specific race and quests completion, for example.
I don't think that something like insect master can be considered a viable option for the undead. So you need to change your race first.
Do you want to be the valkyrie? Change your sex.
You don't want to change your character sex to do it? You don't want to be the valkyrie.

Do you autists really care if some Valkyries have dicks or not? This is really trivial yet so many of you are getting triggered. It's a game; they make their own rules. No need to spaz out because muh mythology.

>>148064172
Clem is pure. Not for fucking.

>>148064176
>Do you autists really care if some Valkyries have dicks or not?
Yes.

Where do i suppose to discuss weaboo LN/WN?
/lit/ will bully, janny keeps deleting threads here.
So fucking annoying.

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>>148064172
Frog abuse has to be stopped.

>>148064119
This is assuming changing your sex is possible, which I'm not sure it is. MMOs typically don't offer such a feature.

>>148064176
It's quite probably the same faggot who was complaining about Lovecraft references.

I'm of the opinion that A) there's no need for a game to stick too close to real myths, they can name shit whatever sounds good and change archetypes as they like and B) that still leaves room for gender/race/lvl/quest/event-exclusivity for flavor purposes.

>>148064237
Most MMOs don't allow race or class changing either, yet YGGDRASIL is confirmed to have both.
The only reason sex-change items are in question is that it's VR and because Satoru's world had strict anti-lewd laws.

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>>148064176
Sure, when I hear the word "Emperor", I automatically assume it's a man. I am so autistic.

Ainz is bringing 5 VBs with him. How happy are you /a/?

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>>148064105
>clem has 2 shitty doujins
Why do I enjoy anime that either has no doujins or it has shitty doujins like cross ange

>>148064237
MMOs doesn't usually offer to change your race, which is we know possible in YGGDRASIL.

>>148064176
Are you talking about futa Valkyries? Because there's nothing wrong with that

>Tabula gave Albedo a bicorn because she was supposed to be a nympho
>Ainz changed her settings and literally cockblocked her from riding her mount

this fucking MANGA man, this fucking MANGA

Also do you think Unicorns and Bicorns had or have karma restrictions? It would make sense.

>>148064304
Then what about king of england(female)

>>148064304
>I can't accept that games don't care as much about mythology as I do.

>>148064304
So what happens when you hear "ninja"?

>>148064384
So seiba then?

Also Cocytus is... well, you'll probably never look at him the same way after today.

>>148063601
Where you there when they posted that the myth explained in modern terms? Did you screencap it?

>>148064399
Magicians in orange jumsuits

>>148063601
>but if Loki can shapeshift into a female horse
Loki is a literal god, your character is just some nobody in the game

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>>148064399
The same thing that when I hear "kunoichi"?

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>>148064331
If I can fap to that artstyle, then the doujin is fine. It's an okay doujin.

>>148063813
>which is unheard of in an MMO
Oh I'm laffin

>>148064331
I thought she only had one

>>148063826
>I can't think of a single class that I can reasonably imagine being male exclusive without much complaint.
That's because otaku would just die without their female knights and female samurai and shit.

>>148063853
An incubus is literally just a gender-swapped succubus though, it's the same race in every respect, especially mechanically.

>>148064031
>tfw Lupus will never murder you in a horribpe manner while laughing at your suffering
Why live

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>>148063601
>>148064450
Yggdrasil had race-changing items. Who says there were no gender-changing items or places?

>>148063826
Priest

>>148064463
sadpanda has two unless some underground gook/chink translators are hiding it

>>148063360
I became head of the mage's guild in Oblivion by running around the place in heavy armour butchering everyone with a sword.
Made the boss fight with mannimarco or whatever he's called funny.
Point being it's not something new to Skyrim

Became head of the fighter's guild in Skyrim by spamming Dremora Lords.
Became head of everything in Skyrim by spamming Dremora Lords.

>>148064450
>your character is just some nobody in the game
Have you ever actually played a MMO? Because by the time you reach lvl 60 you're nutbagging Gods, looting their corpses and mocking their shitty "divine" gear.

>>148063826
Now that I try to think about one class like this nothing comes to mind

>>148064476
Nah, the incubus goes on top and the succubus goes below.

>>148064545
You beat the gods up for loot like pinatas.

>>148064545
>nutbagging
teabagging, jesus, I need to sleep already

Alright people, let's wrap up this idiotic discussion. I'm the "male Valkyrie anon".

If sex change is possible; gender-exclusive classes make sense.

If sex change is not possible; gender-exclusive classes that don't have an opposite sex counterpart don't make sense and are poor game design.

>>148063826
Berserk

>>148062659
Can you guys just fuck off already.

>>148064569
>poor game design
>what are shitty devs

>>148064569
Your opinion are shit and they don't reflect reality one single bit.

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>>148063826
>>148064476
>>148064551
Eunuch. As you can see it's not even a class locked to some fantasy race.

>>148064586
no

>>148064569
(You)

>>148064569
Even race change is possible, sex change would just be a side note under that.

"I'm a girl slime!"
"Fuck you, you don't even have sex organs, nobody cares."

>>148064545
That's only in shitty MMOs that descend from the Everquest formula and focus on "raids" and "end-game" and how everyone is the chosen one.

In actual good MMOs, you're just a dude in a world.

I like to think that Yggdrasil was one of the better ones, but seeing how it's an Asian MMO, that's not likely.

>>148064606
Why are you so butthurt?

>>148064569
You're fucking retarded.

>>148063826
>but I can't think of a single class that I can reasonably imagine being male
>>148064569
>gender-exclusive classes that don't have an opposite sex counterpart don't make sense and are poor game design.
Actually, no. It's poor game design if no similar male counterpart class available.

>>148064569
I'm convinced you don't actually play very many videogames.

>>148064640
In WOW you're basically just some regular faggot and you can still solo Arthas for loot.

>>148064637
Don't bully Bukubukuchagama-sama

ANIME
and
MANGA

>>148064665
It's so easy to spot someone that literally never played wow

>>148064662
>It's poor game design if no similar male counterpart class available

Anon, please re-read my statement, because that's exactly what I said.

>>148063834
>>148064031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A

>>148064669
If you bully her she'll just moan like a whore to AOG and then the premiere PK guild of YGG will be on your ass.

>>148064665
WoW follows the Everquest formula almost exactly. So much so, that you could call it WoW formula since everybody is immitating it these days.

It focuses on raids and endgame content and attempts to make you a "hero in the warcraft universe" instead of "some dude who lives in the warcraft universe"

It doesn't matter what you start out as, it matters where you are when your character is strong.

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>>148063265

fuck off
this is why the thread gets deleted

>>148064640
>I like to think that Yggdrasil was one of the better ones
I don't know how you can delude yourself like that when players are competing for literal worlds in item form and Nazarick makes the City of God look like a hovel.

Also they mention taking part in end-game events exactly like you mentioned.

>>148064664
I'm convinced you don't understand game design.

>>148064696
Please do not bully the Lupu

>>148064736
That's probably because you don't know anything about game design.

>>148064726
Name me one that doesn't follow that formula, then. All the MMOs I've played make you into a figure of legend on account of your high level.

>>148064665
Arthas is cool but is not a god.

Where this notion of having some options being locked behind gender, age or some other similar prerequisite being inferior game design compared to having everething unlocked for everyone comes from?
Not saying that the thing there everyone can be anyone is a bad thing, but why the other option is inferior?

>>148064735
>I don't know how you can delude yourself
I'm very good at deluding myself.

Logically, I know that Yggdrasil was probably a shitty asian grind-fest MMO.

But when I think about it, I prefer to delude myself into thinking that it's closer to my ideal MMO.

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>>148064696

>>148064792
They're probably whining about lack of freedom of choice, because they HAVE to play their special snowflake character.

>>148064694
Excuse me. I probably need to get some sleep.

But it struck me that this statement is correct only when we dealing with symmetric play.

>>148064792
>to having everething unlocked for everyone comes from
Tree of savior is the proof that trying to be a special snowflake is going to fuck you over and people will just copy the most efficient class combo instead

>>148064819
>spent the past few hours arguing about male valkyries
>have work in 3 1/2 hours
Living the life.

>>148064665
But right now you literally wrestle fucking odyn TWICE not to mention that you kill 2 actual gods even before arthas

>>148064569
Nobody ever implied that there wouldn't be a male-exclusive class analogous to Valkyrie to fill out the tree.

>>148064808
I understand the words you're using but it doesn't make any sense to me. The charm of Yggdrasil in Overlord is precisely that it's a shitty asian grind-fest MMO cranked up to eleven and it got ported to fantasy world in all its overpowered degenerate glory, or do you think it's an accident Ainz is literally above the divine level and goes around one-shoting archangels and dragons?

>>148064767
>you can only have one avatar
>sex change is not possible
>gender-exclusive classes exist
>with no opposite sex counterparts i.e. Valkyries for girls but no similar class for boys
>you won't have any info available to you about these gender-exclusive classes when you pick your gender in-game
>50% of players will never have access to certain classes because of some trivial choice they made in the very beginning of the game

Is this good game design?

>>148064782
Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies (pre-CU), EVE Online, Planetside (the first one), etc.

Basically, most MMOs released or concieved before WoW didn't follow that formula.

WoW came out, perfected the Everquest formula and combined it with a masterful marketing campaign and got millions of subscribers who had never even heard of MMOs before then, and since then every new MMO has been trying to get lightning to strike twice by copying WoW.

It's fair to say that WoW ruined an entire genre. I would have preferred MMOs to stay niche with small populations, at least then they had variety.

>>148064904
The game has secret classes in it. I dont think fairness was one of their intended goals with the game.

>>148064904
This is a pure role-play. And you can change classes by killing yourself several times. It was easy to get lvl 100 anyway.

>>148064904
The last two doesn't make sense when datamining and wikis exists

>>148064904
Apart from maybe the thing about having only one avatar, i would not call it a bad game design. And do we really know what they tell you at the character creation? Remind you we are all speaking in headcanons.

>>148064848
In fairness Tree of Savior has a linear as fuck progression. If everybody has to go through the same areas, of course they're going to optimize with the same builds.

Ragnarok Online is a great case study of this--in the early days when there was no rhyme or reason to maps or levels you had all sorts of different mage builds (Firewall, Frost Nova+Lightning, Soul Strike, etc.), but once they started changing things around to create "intended" leveling zones the diversity of builds plummeted because of course you were going to use the build that works on the only map where Hunter Flies aren't eating your face.

>>148064904
Ygg was poorly designed, but wasn't that kind of the point? I mean, Ainz has a super-rare class that required very specific stuff to get and most players didn't even know about it because they minmaxed.

Also stuff like the Goblin Horn had effects that no one knew about, period.

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>>148064986
>tfw I was one of the few people that enjoyed playing as a battle priest then the monk class came along and ruined it

>>148064904
Yes, risks and limitations are the hallmark of good game design.

Complete freedom ruins games.

As a personal anecdote, I played Planetside almost from it's release, and at the beginning, you could only have characters from one of the three factions, and when they introduced the ability to have more than one faction on one server, the game went downhill (it wasn't the only reason, but it certainly contributed). Giving players more freedom literally made the game worse.

You want the Yggdrasil experience (minus the VR)? Go play an average MUD, especially one of those p2w ones, I swear you will get everything you expect from Yggdrasil, both good and bad.

>>148064967
Ainz talks repeatedly about how information was money in YGGDRASIL and was closely guarded as such. He even mentions how user-edited sites like wikis were so full of misinformation as to be useless.

Datamining does kill the YGGDRASIL. I can only assume that in the grim, dark future of Satoru's world, the (((Eight Big Corporations))) have managed to shut that shit down.

>>148064904
>>148064969
And besides, not everyone can be a World Champion, you need to win a PvP tournament for that, that's why Touch Me class is so special.
And as we know from MANGA, Ulbert needed to kill a previous holder of World Disaster class(first find him) to get it.
I don't believe that unlocking incredibly rare classes(that not everyone will be able to wield) as a possible reward is a bad game design at all.

>>148064857
You are assuming my timezone.
I'm having lunch now.
But I really need to sleep more.

>>148065062
Basically, for Yggdrasil to be viable, you have to accept several things about MMOs that really wouldn't happen or work in the real world.

Which is fine, that's one of the premises of the novel.

>>148065019
Battlepriest was still serviceable for quite a long time.
The problem with Monk was that it completely fucked over every other class endgame. Need a tank? Steel Body. Need damage? Asura Strike. Need a siege breaker? Snap+Recall.

>>148065072
Anon, those classes are possible to unlock if you fulfill the requirements, which anyone can potentially do.

If there is no sex change and gender-exclusive classes exist, then that means for some people it is absolutely impossible to unlock those classes.

That is bad game design.

>>148064904
It depends.
It can be good assymetrical design. Think Starcaft.
Zergs are obviously not skin-swapped Terrans, unlke, for example, Orcs and Humans in Warcraft 2.

>>148065184
Are we not assuming balance is an important part of good game design?

>>148065072
>not bad game design
Speaking from experience, what actually happens is this:

>Help I need to unlock WD class /guildchat
>No problem, we'll ask Bob, I can cast [FALSE SWIPE] to bring him down to 1 HP then you can finish him
>Fuck you guys, I'll need to grind for two hours to get back my xp, you better pay up 1000 gold or give me a autores item
>Well, the guild's paying for it anyway

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>>148065131
>You choices mattering is bad game design
Get out Todd Howard

>>148065211
Balance that comes from everything begin symmetrical is terrible game design.

Having balance while keeping an assymetrical design (like Starcraft) is good game design.

>>148065211
Its a roleplaying game. Who gives a shit about ballance?

>>148065091
It's perfectly normal in MMOs for people to keep the locations of the best farming spots and such to themselves, and to PK anyone who starts poking around; it only gets out in the end because the worlds are relatively small and there's rarely any means to protect territory while offline. YGGDRASIL was simply so large that people couldn't stumble across secrets quickly enough to make them well-known.

>>148065253
Players?

>>148065131
You can play as either gender, or a genderless being like Bukubuku.

>Bad game design
>Balance

This is from the same company that created the WCIs and generally enjoys making players suffer.

The 8th floor is so imba that People bitched to the devs about it.

>>148065260
It was also pretty tricky, like with Nazarick being invisible from aerial recon and in an unpopular location.

>>148065264
Whiny try hards you mean.

>>148065072
Then who was the first World Disaster is what I want to know.

>>148065260
>>148065289
It doesn't seem like there were millions of regular players either, it reminds me a lot of Haven & Hearth where everyone was rushing to check every spot of soil and every mine for quality and ores for months after a new map

>>148065238
This.

MOBAs are a perfect example of extremely asymmetrical gameplay. Valve takes the stance of "just make heroes and the meta will sort itself".

A game like Ygg, with its extremely sandbox elements I honestly beieve would be popular IRL, the issue would basically be for a company to take the chance. As well as some realistic changes like, no user customized floors or items

>>148065335
>no user customized floors or items
>realistic
Nonsense.

>>148065131
I don't think so, i think it's only makes acquiring such specific classes much more special. I would be overjoyed if aquired such thing by chance.
>>148065211
Also i am of opinion that having all options balanced is of secondary importance to having all options equally fun and interesting. Granted, having a good balance is still a good thing.
>>148065310
Sneaky Developer? Event boss?

>>148065335
It would require too much money and people would bitch about balance everytime.

>>148065231
Aren't the world tournament was a big in-game event?

>>148064665
Arthas canonicaly died in WoTLK, retard. In a huge raid of rag tag alliance heroes.

>>148065335
>A game like Ygg, with its extremely sandbox elements I honestly beieve would be popular IRL
I don't believe so. Sandbox MMOs aren't very popular, because people like being told what to do and having a clear objective towards which to work.

There's a reason that SWG never broke 400,000 subscribers while WoW got to 12 million.

With that said, I'd take SWG over WoW any day of the week. I think WoW is and has always been terrible.

Still, sandbox MMOs are incredibly niche, and the more freedom you have, the less popular it is.

>>148065231
Unless unlocking it means the previous holder loses it entirely. Remember, one of the mechanics in YGG is changing your build by killing yourself repeatedly.

>>148065235
When you unknowingly make a choice that will lock you out of certain classes because the game doesn't share that information with you; that is bad game design.

>>148065410
I was talking about the World Disaster class.
About World Champion, people would bitch and moan until a championship was held every day or something.

>>148065375
realistic as is "realistically this would need to be balanced" the idea that you can wipe a 1500 lvl 100 players with a weak class like suicide bomber is stupid as fuck and noone would play

>>148065399
You just have to make sure people understand risk vs reward. Yeah you can get this strong class, but you only get 20% of the xp while you're lvling it. Or yeah WCI are strong, but they're always dropped on death, and if they're in the same spot for more than 72 hours a world message comes out pinpointing its location so you can't just hold on to them indefinitely.

>>148065428
I agree that they're not popular but not because something inherit in the genre. You need to manually build hundreds of systems in order for it to work properly.

Archeage had the most rapid growth in MMO player base since original WoW but of course, Trino fucked up the model and it became to P2W

>>148065435
Then I suppose you need to play every RPG with a game guide [I often do, since I get tired of having to start over] because that's present in almost of them.

>>148065494
Err, not necessarily classes, but game content in general.

>>148065446
And that's why we can't have a nice things, yeah.

>>148065494
It's been specifically stated that Ygg was very secretive; there were no guides or wikis.

>>148065428
It's also because the technology for a full-scale sandbox MMO doesn't exist. Look at the clusterfuck that was Archeage, all the resource nodes were farmed and all the habitable land claimed in the first few days, and that was with the game rapidly desanguinating due to Trion's mismanagement.

>>148065550
I know, but it's not like you're expected to play ANY RPG with a guide, you're supposed to explore, fuck up and start over so getting 100% completion with all extras unlocked actually feels like an achievement instead of a chore like going shopping with a list.

>>148065131
>absolutely impossible to unlock those classes
But it's not. It's merely hard to do: you need to start from level one.

>>148065550
Writers should've gotten with the times. You can't keep a secret from the internet.

>>148065622
Would you consider the incredibly hard to unlock classes being far stronger then the others a bad game design?

>>148065657
You can when there are like two people who hold the information and those who defect get their site hacked and their characters PK'd back to lvl 1, the side story covers that.
Maybe it's not realistic but they certainly considered the problem.

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Worst Overlord thread ever.

>>148065726
This is an Yggdrasil thread.

>>148065705
The only time you can keep a secret is when only one person knows it.

If two people know it, it won't be a secret for long.

>>148065726
You missed the hime/humiefag and thelovecraftfag.

>>148065622
It's absolutely impossible if you pick the wrong gender. Why needlessly punish people for making a seemingly inconsequential choice? It's not their fault the game kept them ignorant.

>>148065757
The longer you hold onto it the longer you hold onto your advantage. And you can always sell it to some sucker.

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Would Overlord be improved if New Worlders could actually pose a threat? Something like skilled fighters/soldiers approach or surpass maid level while someone like Brain could be in the 60-70's. Fluder in the 90's and so on.

You know, not an absolute wank fest.

>>148065726
And it's all because some autistic anons couldn't accept Valkyries with dicks.

>>148065787
No. The wank fest is a major part of Overlord's appeal.

>>148063040
The main reason is that we're easily the most cancerous general on the board.

>>148064735
>>148064808
>>148064888
Ygg is basically Ultima Online combined with EVE then cranked up to 11^11 and the devs gave literally zero shits
It's sensible that Overlord specifies that there was a lot of shit missing from the game and that true full dive, the type where you can just hook yourself up to an IV or some shit or just launch yourself into the game proper, didn't exist, because otherwise it's literally life +.

>>148065787
I just want someone to be a threat to Nazarick even if it's someone within Nazarick, like a certain gorilla

>>148065787
No? What are you, a humiefag? Overlord is fun BECAUSE it's an absolute wank fest.

>>148065800
I thought we couldn't accept that not having a valkyrie(male) is somewhat a bad design.
Bad design, bad design. This word is becoming annoying

>>148065787
No, then it would be just like any other action anime under the sun.

Overlord is nice because the problems the protagonist faces are not of the physical kind, but the internal struggles of the character.

What Overlord needs is for Ainz and crew to remain the physically strongest beings in the world by far, but Ainz needs to face problems that he cannot (or does not want to) solve with Nazarick's combat might.

I will be extremely disappointed in the author and drop this LN if the only way he can find to up the stakes is to make an enemy powerfull enough to threaten Nazarick's combat forces in direct combat.

>>148065726
Considering we aren't allowed to talk about the newest volume of the FANFICTION, the threads going to off-topic and downhill quickly.

>>148065787
Nazarick itself poses a threath to Ainz, and lets not forget Ainz is 600 years behind if any player is in hiding from the start.

>>148065673
Of course not why the fuck would you try to unlock them then?

>>148065761
Because Ygg was not 'a game', Ygg was trying to imitate an entire world. If you don't have a penis in real life, then I'm sorry but you cannot stick your penis into a girl and spout semen into her womb and get her pregnant in real life.
Is it not sensible that if you're undead that you're going to be a better necromancer? Is it not sensible that certain classes should be available only to angels or undead or demons? If you had a class which involved nursing children wouldn't it make sense you need to be female? If you're an Incubus don't you think you need to be male (Incubi wouldn't have the same abilities as Succubi either)? Valkyries have riding the cocks of heroic warriors as part of their portfolio, don't you think they should be female?

>>148065787
No, it'd kill the entire appeal of the setting.

>>148065787
I can't tell what ainz is, a bread loaf?

>>148065900
>Because Ygg was not a game

Are you retarded?

>>148065844
"Shitty devs" is much better and less controversial, I think. Compare:

>Wtf why are there male Valkyries?
>Bad design
>Wtf why are there male Valkyries?
>Shitty devs

vs

>Why can't I play a male Valkyrie?
>Bad design
>Why can't I play a male Valkyrie?
>Shitty devs

>>148065926
>forgetting the quotes
Mate the very fact that when the game shut down a significant fraction of the world hadn't even been explored makes it not like normal games.

>>148065818
>>148065842
But imagine the wankfest after beating THE BIG HERO who actually fucked shit up and posed a considerable threat.

>>148065900
All builds should not be viable, but all builds should be interesting. Emphasis on word interesting.
>>148065862
ThisHere is your (you)
Let's come up with the problems that Ainz can't easily solve with his might and magic.

>>148065862
It's going to happen eventually m8, some players who have been established and ruling some hedonistic dungeon or palace for centuries are going to get some beef with Nazarick and bring a tangible physical siege to the tomb.

So long as it doesn't devolve into typical Shounen powerlevel bullshit, it could be the highlight of the series. Ainz finally growing into his faux-persona, no longer a Japanese salary-man but a true, terrifying and calculating Overlord.
I do agree that Nazarick shenanigans are the best part of the series, comfy SOL volume when?

>>148065944
The considerable threat is what kills the appeal
The entire appeal is that the considerable threat facing Nazarick is Ainz himself, his paranoia, his lack of confidence.
Not some bullshit hero.

>>148065955
Right, that's why hard-to-unlock classes should either be broken or have weird gimmicks.
It's also why having limited classes and ''''bad game design'''' makes sense.

>>148065787
They do pose a threat, just not a physical one.

Ainz' project utopia can come crashing down if some humies start a civil war. He'll butcher them of course, but after that he will be forced to rule by fear, not by loyalty.

Ainz wants a good ending for everyone, NW can stop that happening, even if they are teh only ones to really suffer from that.

>>148065844
>>148065900
>>148065933
>>148065944
>>148065955
>>148065977
Checked

>>148065933
Well, it's quite ambitious word. It can mean both things, like "Awesome Devs" and "No irony, they are really shitty".

>>148065901
Ainz is Honey Toast.

>>148065989
>ambitious
ESL please go and no if you call devs 'shitty' it's not really likely to be ironic

>>148065988
Y-you too.

>>148065982
>in b4 climb gets the ability to deal massive damage to any character that is higher leveled than him

>>148066006
I am trying ;_;

>>148066006
Ever heard of a meme, retard?

>>148066028
>this is your brain on SAO

>>148066033
If 'shitty devs' is assumed to be an ironic meme for Ygg players (that we have no evidence for, Ainz uses it completely unironically in his flashbacks and comments on how things used to be) then 'bad design' can also be an ironic meme for Ygg players.

>>148066028
I still believe Climb will be the hero to defeat Ainz.

>>148066028
>he dies to skelly spam
Keep guessing.

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>>148064105
>badass.
Yes, the ass in that picture is rather bad, but still acceptable.

Barely acceptable.

>>148065982
>Ainz' project utopia can come crashing down if some humies start a civil war. He'll butcher them of course, but after that he will be forced to rule by fear, not by loyalty.
Project Utopia is equality and prosperity for ALL races under Nazarick's rule. In worst case it would live without humans.

>>148066006
In the Prologue its literally stated that "Shitty devs" is simultaneously a curse, insult and a sign of affection.


>>148066029
Don't give up

>>148066057
Climb seems to be red herring though

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>>148065982

Well, if we look at it, even if Ainz wanted the world to respect each other and listen to him base on loyalty, the NPCs namely Demi probably MC, baptised, replaced, etc those in power or dangerous.

>>148066105
It's a sign of affection because the devs made the game and the fuckmassive world. Generally speaking when you shout 'shitty devs', though, it's because you've run into a 'troll' feature like the raid bosses that get stronger and stronger.

>>148066084
Its not just humies that might be the one to resist though. Beastmen refusing to stop eating humies, Humies take revenge, suddenly the two sides are at war.

And to be fair, if there was a race that made a delicacy of eating 6th month fetus I would be calling for genocide too.

>>148065673
If you have class A and class B and B is superior to A in every way, it's poor game design. Why will anybody consider playing A?
If we want to keep both, B must have some strong drawbacks.
From the top of my head: extremely rare and expensive consumables, limited number of players with this class and the ability to lose it(for example, tied to the specific clan hall or will disappear after time limit), some obscure weakness than can be exploited by the prepared player and so on.
So yes. But only if it's really incredibly hard to unlock.
>>148065761
>It's absolutely impossible if you pick the wrong gender.
No. You delete your current character and start again, now with the right gender.
It comes down to information distribution handling.
If your game has something like this

http://nwn2db.com/builder.php

and you picked the wrong gender then you're bloody idiot and you deserve it.
If the whole game built around information distribution, then it's not ok, but it's part of the core game design.

>>148066146
>eating 6th month fetus

That's when it's the most juicy and crunchy.
Oh, and one other small, but pleasant thing - it doesn't scream while being boiled.

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>>148065818
Overlord takes it and cranks it to 10. There isn't anything as of now that poses a threat. Martial power or otherwise. The only things that ever could (WC items) get nullified by Nazaricks own WC items.

>>148065862
>Ainz needs to face problems that he cannot (or does not want to) solve with Nazarick's combat might.

What the hell could that be? Combat wise even shit tier monsters surpass the best of the New World. If that isn't enough Ainz could always use his ring that grants fucking wishes. Ainz can also revive the dead etc etc. Overnight world domination is solely held back by Ainz and his massive autism. The "problems" are not problems.

>>148066130
Possible, but I don't think thats where Maruyama is going with this. Look at Ainzach and Just, he's investing a lot into human characters. Ainz himself is rather fond of a lot of them. I reckon Ainz will probably side with a faction like the Dragonic kingdom, which was just living in peace, over the aggressive, man eating horde of beastmen.

>>148065691
They worked because they didn't have WoW's 12 million players clamoring for space and resources. EVE is up there, but it's in space, and it's really easy to expand a space game because space is filled with mostly nothing.

Archeage failed because of Trion's mismanagement, absolutely. They took a solid game, made it incredibly P2W, and launched on a patch designed to fix oversaturation in the Korean server economy by making mats drop rarely or not at all. But that's not the issue at hand.
The day the game launched, everybody and their mother scrambled to throw down a basic house pattern and farm. The result was that by the time anybody playing casually or without prior knowledge caught up, there was no land left for sandbox stuff, unless you wanted to buy a plot at 2000% markup. A complete mess that was predicted by everyone during the beta.

>>148066174
>If you have class A and class B and B is superior to A in every way, it's poor game design. Why will anybody consider playing A?
Because people don't actually play this game for minmaxing, don't you remember that guild that had an entire guildbase of level 1 cats? People play the game to have fun, not to do le epin raiding and optimal build (or at least, not all of them do).

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>>148066192
>>148065787
>no Clementine orange slush

>>148066199
>The day the game launched, everybody and their mother scrambled to throw down a basic house pattern and farm
This is the bad design I'm talking about. This kind of shit could be solved with an extensive PVP system.

>>148065787
God damn, I don't even drink but Albedo makes me thirsty.

>>148066192
>The "problems" are not problems.
There are certain problems that punching doesn't actually solve. For example, if you want everyone to get along.

>>148066192
>What the hell could that be?
I dunno, use your imagination. His Project Utopia is a good start, he can't just force people to think a certain way, so he has to plan and be subtle about it.

>>148066199
>They worked because they didn't have WoW's 12 million players clamoring for space and resources
Well remember this is in 21xx, they probably have yottabyte hard drives coming with work laptops or something.

>>148065761
Seriously stop whining. If you wanted to play a Valkyrie then you should have chosen a female species from the beginning. Don’t blame your own stupidity on bad game design. And if you cannot play Valkyrie, why does it matter? Just choose one of the other 700 classes. It is a game with a lot of freedom and therefore choices do matter. If you choose to play as a male than don’t bitch if you cannot play classes that are meant to be played by females.

This is an MMO thread now. Thank you, autistic anons who couldn't accept Valkyries with dicks.

>>148066209
But it's still can only be considered a bad game design. You need to change A.
Give A some interesting and unique abilities.
Now our dear roleplayer is relevant.

>>148066282
It's the other way around
Autistic anons who are experts on game design and apply their expertise to developers who are explicitly stated to give zero shits

>>148066294
No you don't. Interesting and unique abilities are a thing for every class but that doesn't mean every class is equally powerful and viable. A Gardener or Merchant class will never be as strong as an Archmage class but that's okay because you choose to become a Gardener and waste levels on that class.

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>>148066282
If I wanted to fap to succubus(female) it better be damn well a succubus(female) not succubus(attack helicopter)

>>148066273
>Seriously stop whining

You're the one who's whining, anon. I just pointed out it's bad game design, you apparently can't accept that.

>Don’t blame your own stupidity on bad game design

Except it's actually a case of bad game design, retard.

>It is a game with a lot of freedom

Except in this case it's limiting you. If it really did have so much freedom, it wouldn't arbitrarily limit your class options.

>If you choose to play as a male than don’t bitch if you cannot play classes that are meant to be played by females

Gender exclusive classes are idiotic, that's the whole point, anon.

>>148066230
If it could be solved via PvP you'd just be turning all the habitable land into battlefields. Cue Fallout intro, war never changes, etc.

>>148066262
That's exactly my point. Sandbox MMOs can work, but we don't have the technology for it yet.
Once we have the server space to host these worlds, and the algorithms to populate them without impossible development costs, they'll stand a chance.

>gender exclusive classes shouldn't exists in MMO
>have to keep farming male dorfs, male orcs, male giants, male devils, male bandits etc.

>>148066324
Only 5% of players will be able to unlock the potent combination of succubus(attack helicopter), but it's a damn worth it for a chance of simultaneous attack of raining hell and flying charms.

>>148066324
Why do you care as long as you get off?

>>148066235
>>148066253
You could always just spell brainwash everyone (something I'm sure Nazarick could achieve) for project utopia. That aside, I don't think there's any other situation that couldn't easily be solved overnight.

>>148066379
>bad game design
But it isn't.

>limiting you
The game limits you on everything actually, you just have to find your own way around that. The Goal of All Life is Death is hidden in a class that's so well hidden you can count the number of people who found it, ever, and you can't even try to unlock it unless you're undead.

>Gender exclusive classes are idiotic
That's what you think
There's more than one anon shitting on you.

>>148066319
>A Gardener or Merchant class will never be as strong as an Archmage class
And I talked about two similar classes. Effectively Archmage and shitty Archmage or Merchant and shitty Merchant. Merchant and Archmage are incomparable.

>>148066402
>If it could be solved via PvP you'd just be turning all the habitable land into battlefields
Exactly, it worked for UO.

If it wasn't for the fucking carebears, it'd work for other sandboxes too.

Been wondering. How come Ainz doesn't give Shalltear the task to take down the dragon too?

>>148066443
Because slaying tasks are gender exclusive.

>>148066430
>Merchant class will never be as strong as an Archmage class
If that was true then wizards today would have beaten the jews by now

>>148066443
Ainz is a coward, that's a fundamental part of his character.

>>148066430
>incomparable
How the hell are they incomparable? No two classes occupy the same niche, at most you have two classes that are direct upgrade of each other - Elder Lich is a direct upgrade of Skeletal Mage so there's no reason for Lich to be inferior.
Cursed Knight is not the same as Dark Priest is not the same as Crusader.

>>148066443
Because the author needs to prolong the LN. He's gotta eat ya know.

>>148066146
>Beastmen refusing to stop eating humies
That's why Ainz first show his power then subjugate. Any refusals would never came up.

>>148066443
What dragon

>>148066414
>you can't even try to unlock it unless you're undead

Race changing is possible, so anyone can potentially get that class. There's no problem there.

If sex change is not possible; then it's bad game design to have gender-exclusive classes.

This is pretty simple, anon.

Someone pls add

"Overlord thread turned MMO gender lock"

Into the list of Overlord threads Evolves list?

>>148066505
Why would sex change be impossible if a dread lich can become a fucking archangel?
Moreover 'gender locked classes' make perfect sense. A male cannot be a succubus by definition of a succubus.

>>148066494
The Dragon Lord of Frost.

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>>148066543
>A male cannot be a succubus by definition of a succubus.

>>148066464
Well wizards sucks compared to merchants. Fucking merchant supremacy, we need to nerf them, they are just too OP.

>>148066433
A battlefield isn't exactly habitable. If your guild wants to claim territory, great, build a castle to defend the battlefield, but if every fucking one-room cottage is perpetually contested then you're going to lose sandbox builders real fast and be left with a dead game.

>>148066443
It's only honorable for two kings to face each other directly.

>>148066568
Worst meme

>>148066560
Does he even know the dragon exists
Also probably because he's scared of how strong the dragon is
Assuming the Dragon is level 90+ (in his mind!) and is highly intelligent as dragons often are, and taking into account dragons live for a long ass time (experience), it's not impossible at all that Shalltear gets defeated.
That would be very bad for her self-esteem, even if it's good for her development assuming she doesn't fall into a pit of depression.

>>148066478
>No two classes occupy the same niche
What?
For example, in D&D Wizards and Sorcerers are competing for the same niche. One is flexible mid-battle, but cannot learn a lot of spells, other can potentially use any spell in the book, but only after meditating.
Both are frail, both can use exactly the same spells.

>>148066443
>I havent read X why does Y happen?

>>148066404
I want to play this now.

>>148066574
>Heinz

>Honor

Pick zero.

>>148066574
>but if every fucking one-room cottage is perpetually contested
That pretty much was the case in UO and it worked great for a while. You have to realize that if you give people enough space, it won't be perpetual battle, but battles will eventually happen.

>>148066443
Because he's afraid that there may be some players in hiding and he has no freakin' info regarding Dwarven Kingdom. Last time he gave some free reign to Shalltear he had to kill her himself.

>>148066574
If the spoilers of l.. MANGA are true, why so few NWrolders invest in power level detection abilities?

>>148066574
>A battlefield isn't exactly habitable. If your guild wants to claim territory, great, build a castle to defend the battlefield, but if every fucking one-room cottage is perpetually contested then you're going to lose sandbox builders real fast and be left with a dead game.
Ultima Online lived for quite a while and was famously sandboxy
I'm sure you know about the assassination of Lord British.

>>148066608
Those don't occupy the same niche, you just pointed out their problem
Wizards do literally anything incredibly well if you give them forewarning and time to prepare. Sorcerers are generally long-range nukers, they learn a couple of vital buff spells and go insane with their spell rodeo.

>>148066615
Well then get to it speedreader.

>>148066543
>Why would sex change be impossible if a dread lich can become a fucking archangel?

Race and Gender are two different things, anon.

>A male cannot be a succubus by definition of a succubus.

This where the principle of "same class but different names" would apply. Male players would have incubus available to them, which would just be the male version of succubus. Same class but different names.

I'm talking about a scenario where you have a gender-exclusive like Valkyrie but there's no equivalent opposite gender class. Those kinds of gender-exclusive classes are bad game design.

>>148066656
>Race and Gender are two different things, anon.
Both of them are immutable in most games.

>incubus..
Incubi are literally not the same thing as succubi.

>bad game design
To you. You might argue that to most players grown up on WoW and shit that the immense freedom and sandbox nature of the game is poor game design, that the WCI are poor game design, that the concept of these massive guild halls held together by a single weapon is poor game design, that a world so large where information is made to be so valuable that people will fight wars over it and where very little is worth more than a world map is poor game design. Other people beg to differ - play a different fucking game.

>>148066625
It's corporate honor. What kind of supervisor skips out on meetings and makes his subordinates attend instead? If it weren't for people like that Herohero-san might be there with him.

>>148066626
But we aren't talking about having enough space. We're talking about Archeage, where the flood of players filled all the available space in three days.

>>148066631
Nobody wants to be the Divination dork, despite it being the most useful.

>>148066656
>I'm talking about a scenario where you have a gender-exclusive like Valkyrie but there's no equivalent opposite gender class.
Einherjar
Discussion over, fuck off back to /v/

>>148066707
>where the flood of players filled all the available space in three days.
Needed more servers and more space on each server. Their own fault. Also open PVP would mean that people wouldn't be as gung-ho about claiming land.

>>148066707
>What kind of supervisor skips out on meetings and makes his subordinates attend instead?
People who have more important matter to attend to
Ainz even notes that a CEO going to another company to negotiate personally made a huge fucking impact because it immediately signals to the other side that they are at the top of the priority list and that they have the full attention of the company.

>>148066615
Ainz fighting the Dragon Lord is among given spoilers. Not sure if it's actually confirmed yet, but it sounds like that's what happened.

>>148066701
>Incubi are literally not the same thing as succubi

They're both essentially sex demons, anon. Don't be autistic.

>You might argue that

I'm saying this >>148064904 is bad game design. That's all, no need to straw man me.

>>148066631
Check vol 10 again, Ainz talking with Fluder.

>>148066730
>Needed more servers and more space on each server. Their own fault.
Technical restrictions. Again, the technology for a large-scale sandbox MMO is not yet economical.

>Also open PVP would mean that people wouldn't be as gung-ho about claiming land.
It was open PVP, you just couldn't destroy houses. Still, hiding nearby and ambushing people as they transported supplies from house to ship was a valid tactic.

>>148066802
I'm not fucking strawmanning you, I'm telling you that the game literally was not fucking designed for you if you're looking for balance and information availability and such and that the devs have never given a shit about your so-called good game design
Do you even know what a fucking strawman is?

>>148066728
You only have yourself and all the other autistic anons here to blame for getting triggered over Valkyrie cocks.

>>148066600
Dragon Lords aren't top tier level strong. They're mid-high tier level at best.

>>148066856
I didn't say they were, read the post in question
Ainz doesn't actually know how strong the dragon lord is.

>>148066619
Are you ready for unlock challenges, Anon?
Succubus(attack helicopter) is a strong combo, you will need to work hard.
To unlock it, you need to
>Be succubus(female)
>Race change into automathon(any gender)
>Take some tinker or mechanic job classes
>Max skill [demon forging]
>Find recept [helicopter blades]
>Find the rare metals and build it
>Equip it where you want it
>Gain a level with it
>You need to soak you helicopter blades in fountain of true love
>I don't know what the fuck is this, some guild migh know this
>Infiltrate the guild
>Fountain of true love in some secret dungeon.
>Beat it
>After that you need to answer the riddle about the nature of love and helicopters.
>You have only one chance
>Answered?
>Congrats, my fellow succubus(Attack Helicopter)

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>But its bad game design if everyone doesnt have access to the same classes.
This game is not for you.

Ctrl+F, "design".

>>148066839
Oh, i forgot. That's make sense.

>>148066912
>64 matches
Game design pro at fault

>>148066842
>>148066890

Anon, you do realize everything we've been arguing about is just head canon, right? It's not confirmed whether Ygg Valkyrie is gender exclusive or not. I'd wager Ygg doesn't have gender exclusive classes; if you're so autistic that you can't handle male Valkyries, maybe Ygg isn't the game for you.

>>148066948
It's also not confirmed whether or not you can change gender. Maybe you're the autist for demanding Ygg (the one game that's been shown to more or less tell people going in with preconceived notions of good game design to stick it up your arse - see Longinus) conform to YOUR standards of game design.

>>148066871
If Evileye's comparison is something to take form then Dragon Lords are around Floor Guardian in terms of power.

>>148066948
Your reply is a bad design

>>148066996
We actually know how strong the Frost Dragon Lord is - he's like level 50 or 60 iirc
Someone post his character sheet

>>148066994
I didn't demand anything of Ygg; maybe you should learn to read.

>>148066999
No different than yours.

>>148066884
It'll all be worth it when you can treat people who don't succumb to your wink-and-blow-kiss combo to salvo of M270 HYDRA rockets!

>>148066948
>Incubus (female)

>>148067052
>I didn't demand anything of Ygg; maybe you should learn to read.
I did learn to read; you're incessantly claiming that X is good or bad game design.

>>148067052
No (you)

>>148067023
He's level 46.

>>148067023
>character sheet
I'm interested. Who has it?

>>148066948
>you do realize everything we've been arguing about is just head canon, right?
>Therefore my headcanon is more canon than your headcanon.

There are literal examples of class restrictions mentioned by Ainz, you cant be a Lich until you get a race change item.

you cant unlock certain classes unless you kill heteromorphs

you cant get world champion unless you win a tourney.

your Gender bullshit is irrelevant in a game described as having creatures without gender and having literal items to change from one fucking race to a completely different one.

>>148067082
So Frost Dragon Lord must be one of the weaker ones then? Because Evileye can't be level 30 or something....can she?

>>148067082
Do i undersand this whole dialog correctly and Ainz assumed that frost dragon lord is strong?

>>148067067
>Valkyrie has dick
>TRIGGERED.jpg

>>148067068
Yes, I only spoke of what is good and bad game design. I didn't demand anything of Ygg. You need to learn to read.

>>148067101
Look at this >>148064904
and tell me if you think it's good game design.

>>148067105
Well, considering FDL is chilling out in the low level area that is the Kingdom, he probably IS one of the weaker DLs.

>>148067125
Hasn't been translated yet and I haven't read the spoilers yet.

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>>148067160
>Yes, I only spoke of what is good and bad game design. I didn't demand anything of Ygg. You need to learn to read.
Nobody gives half a fuck about good and bad game design then if you're not applying it to Ygg. Are you applying it to Ygg or not? No? Fuck off to /v/ or /agdg/ where people care about your subjective views on game design.

>>148067176
So weak.

>>148067160
>TRIGGERED.jpg

You sure you're on the right board?

>>148067160
I think it's good game design. I don't care about players not having access to certain classes because of some 'trivial' choice that they had 'no way of knowing'. Information warfare is part of the game design.

>>148067198
Maybe he just woke up from 1000 years of hibernation.

>>148067176
>literally Hamsuke tier
Seriously, inb4 Hamsuke with Martial Arts and his armor is actually stronger than this guy
Inb4 Death Rider Hamsuke with his beam of doom in his mouth can solo this guy in seconds

>tfw no Overladies

>>148067177
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. If Ygg is like this >>148064904 then that is bad game design. But I'm not demanding that Ygg conform to my standards, you're the one that created that peculiar straw man.

>>148067176
>No job levels
NEET dragon lord

>>148067208
Balance is also a very important part of game design.

>>148067265
At least he doesn't have Wizard levels.

My char is a lava troll queen, shrine maiden, male human and that is good game design
You're one of those people that have levels in every single thing they can aren't you?

>>148067265
I don't think dragons have job levels. They are a pure racial class, every time they are mentioned in the novels its "high racial stats" "racial this" "racial that".