Knights and Magic gets anime adaptation

I have a feeling that, more so than SAO ever did, the success of Re: Zero is going to really open the floodgates to copycat isekai anime adaptations.

>>147599064
>the success of Re: Zero
Ugh ugh, Konosuba already done this job.

Why this, of all things?

What does /m/ think of this?

>>147599602
>mechs
>trap MC
>magic school
>Isekai
>OPMC

why wouldn't it? It has all the things that you usually find in anime.

>Mecha Isekai
Sci-fi Isekai when?

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When will we be able to go back to the age of VN harem adaptions?

>>147599763
>trap MC
You meant the guy on the cover is the MC? Holy fuck.

>>147599763
>trap MC
Tell me more about this MC.

>>147599644
They think it would be better without the "reincarnated otaku" aspect and just make it about a native to that world who becomes an engineering genius because of his love for robots.

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>>147599859
The MC is a mechasexual trap. That's all there is to it.

>>147599837
Find me a VN harem which is also isekai and we'll talk.

>>147600084
Muv luv

>>147600126
Wait, which one? There've been two of them and neither of them were isekai, just alternative history.

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>>147599859
He's a trap and mechasexual. Meet his custom machine that he built.

>>147600084
Seinarukana and Aselia.

>>147600317

Talk about overcompensating

>>147600317
>>147600065
Does he get a mecha harem like Tony Stark?

>>147599859
/m/fag trap onii-sama

>>147600697
He makes a lot of shit, yeah.

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>>147600317
Well, at least it doesn't have giant nippon damashii katanas to go with it.

>>147600697
He makes a shit ton, there's tiny powered armor mini-mechas for chores, a centaur mecha and finally his personal unit.

>>147599560
Konosuba was a satire on the genre.
Re:Zero played it straight. Inb4 muh deconstruction.

>trap MC
but why? who thing this shit will sell

>>147600848

>isekai
>wish fulfillment genre where audience-insert MC gets to escape to a place where he's effortlessly amazing and surrounded by awesome shit
>Re-Zero
>MC is a weak retard who gets shit on constantly; probably would have been happier staying at home

Yeah, totally played straight.

>>147599064
>>147599560
We are so fucked.

>>147598767
>out of all the terribad isekai shit out there they make one of the better ones
nice.
i'm down with the story of a mechasexual trap fighting oversized fantasy super fauna, all while being badass about it.
i actually legitimately like this series.

I hope the next fad in WN/LN is better.

>>147601177
Better than the era of Shana-clones, that's for sure.

>>147601406
The urban fantasy and battle harem fads were still more tolerable because they weren't founded on fucking web fics.

Mecha Mahouka. I do hope you enjoy.

>>147601505
They were worse, I'll take a million of this over more fucking battle harems or urban fantasy nonsense.

>>147601521
>he hated the adventures of onii-sama nuking chinks
>he hates the adventure of mecha onii-sama bitchslapping everything around in fantasy land with mechs

>>147598767
AOTS
O
T
S

>>147601505
There is literally no difference in quality between vanilla light novels and web novels that have been vetted through the publishing process.
They're all trash.

>>147601633
Are there fantasy chinks for him to slap the shit out of?

>>147600207
The original Muv-Luv is isekai and by proxy the spin-offs are too.

>>147598767

I thought for a second the otaku was genderbended since it's such a girly looking protag.

I remember reading a bit of the LN, it was pretty forgettable, the twin girl was kinda cute and that's about it.

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Im going to watch this pile of shit just for MC's retard mecha otaku antics

And I'm going to love every second of it.

>>147600697
Yes. Plus MAGIC. Yes, he is a magical genius to boot.

>>147602301
He's literally trap oniisama if he was also obsessed with gunpla.

>>147602301
Is it the one where MC ropes a pair of twins and some blacksmith kid into studying magic with him and they all end up like prodigies at school or something? I think I remember something along these lines.

>>147602406
Yep.

>>147602374
>>147602406
At least he has emotions and he doesnt deviate from his stated goal of basically making a Gundam.

Yes. He also figures out how to make the powerplants of the mechs using his special skills that only elves are supposed to know.

>>147602298
It goes through several cliches that most mecha genre has and you'll love it.

>>147602494
I honestly don't mind, I knew what I was getting into.

>>147602092
Ordinary light novels have a mildly better chance of not being total shit. Publishing cleaned up webfics is how you get Fifty Shades of Grey instead of Harry Potter. It's all trash, but try comparing the trash of a three star restaurant with the trash of a McDonald's.

>>147598767
/m/ is going to love the mecha building.

>>147601574
The urban fantasy era gave us classics that are still talked about ten years later like Shana, Raildex, Fate, Negima, and Monogatari. All isekai has given us is SAO.

>>147602936
>still talked about ten years later like Shana

People talk about Shana?

>>147602936
>/m/
>liking anything
>>147602949
The urban fantasy era gave us heaps of garbage is what you're saying.

>>147601574
I'll take a million Strike the Bloods or Fate/another spinoff over more Mushoku Tensei wannabes.

>>147602949
>Negima
>Shana
>Talked about
Yea about that

>>147603007
What about none of this.

>>147602998
It's a higher grade of garbage than sakamoto666's newly minted bowel movement.

>>147603007
Nah, I'll take stuff like edgy Lady Oscar over the nth battle harem or more Fate cancer.

>>147603081
>sakamoto666
I laugh everytime.
Then I cry.

>>147603007
How do you people not get sick of Fate? Like serious question.

>>147603093
>>147603007
I'll take more fujoshibait sports anime over either of these.

just recently read the manga for this. I can't get enough of this isekai shit. It's my guilty pleasure. It's like I'm a fat middle aged woman sitting down with a tub of Hagen daas and watching the Batchelorette.

>>147603007
I'd take the fucking Vending machine isekai over more fate cancer, goddamn.

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>>147602092
>>147601574
For me the differentiating factor is FUCKING VIDEOGAMIFICATION

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>>147603167
Have a list. Added I Reincarnated Into a Vending Machine to it too since last update.

>>147603217
>I Reincarnated Into a Vending Machine
This actually got published..jesus.
Adaption fucking when?

This has the most relatable MC for me out of all the isekai shit I've read

Still falls for the regular pitfalls, but fuck me, my inner /m/ is crying for this shit.

>>147599602
>Why this, of all things?
Lots of merchandise possibilities because it not only mixes armor, swords, and magic, but also has multiple types of mecha and monster figures. That means toy companies would be more likely to join the production committee, buy advertising from the host TV stations, and pony up the funds to get the thing green-lighted.

>>147601177
no you're not, Re:Zero is getting praised in this board

because re:zero is good right?

yeah, you deserve this

>>147601406
At least in those days they had to do some semblance of world building and explanation of mechanics, now with modern isekai they just say "you know that MMO you played? It's just like that. You played DQ, right? It's just like that. Muh appraisal, muh stats, muh skill points".

>>147603627
Nah, you're just being a angry grandpa yelling that it used to better before.

>>147603681
today's fantasy genre is really good

>>147603681
>there are anime fans who will be nostalgic about Sword Art Online five from now about how the videogame-style isekai era was so much better than Olympic sports anime or whatever is popular in five years time

>>147602298
I can't lie. Me too.

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Seeing as this is isekai-related, maybe someone here might know:
I remember reading part of an isekai story on syosetu like two years ago and its since been removed from the site. That often happens if they get signed for a light novel deal, so wondering if that was maybe true or not.

Prologue was SAO-style where the MC's imouto plays a VRMMO with him and heard about an exploit where the two of them could log into each others characters by hotswapping headsets. Imouto cons the MC into doing it, so he logs in as her loli dark elf character. Long story short, ominous gate appears instead of a normal one after clearing a dungeon and shit goes wrong and the MC and his sister wake up at the bottom of the minotaur labyrinth again, but everything is real then. Mino boss respawns and they nearly get killed defeating it. Then stuck with almost no provisions in the pitch dark trying to make their way out of the bottom of the labyrinth.

That ring a bell for anyone?
Found the picture I saved a long time ago, so I guess its called Sister Change.

Are Japanese otaku as tired of isekai as the Western?

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Is this the thread for shitty jap novels?

I'm trying to access the hataraku maou translations, but I'm stuck on this bullshit. The other 3 were easy, but I don't even know where to begin on this, despite knowing that the solution is supposed to begin 2e636f.

>>147601574
Be careful what you say anon.

>>147599064
And i'm totally okay with this.

>>147598767
>trap

Literally why?

>>147604769
Just get them from homuwaifu.

>>147602993
>>147603016
Not that anon, but Negima used to have lots of threads, especially during school festival arc and greater parts of magic world, enough to have weekly threads almost every week and managed to spawn TLs and editors to helped out with scanlation for a period of time. But not anymore since that thing went dead.

Shana was the same for its first two season, with the 2nd season generating exceptional hype cause of Shana herself was brought in a generation of moe. The long gap between S2 and S3 resulted if a major decline and naturally hype went away and so did the discussion, so when S3 came around there was only a fifth of the popularity it once had. However, even after it ended Shana still gets threads from time to time.

>>147598767
Nice. There are dozens more Isekai manga/ln`s i`d prefer to be adapted more, but this one isnt too bad.

>>147603621
I never praised Re;Zero though

Are these really the lesser evil to LN harem adaptions? Is this the future that we have chosen?

>>147604623
No, they love it.

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>>147598767
I already watched it when it was calld Turn A Gundam and Hayate no Gotoku

Fuck off everyone, Its not mecha nor trap manga. Its middle aged Object C programmer story with him spending time programming and debugging magic.

>>147600438
Not enouth drills

>>147605684
yes, isekai is now the capeshit of anime

>>147601505
web fics > standard anime/ln/manga works for same reason japanese anime/manga/ln stories > western one - japan doesnt give a shit and goes with its fantasy full retarded and non conventional: this is why we love it compared to western media in first place

And in turn japanese web toons are essentially doujinshi written without editorial restrictions and authors going full retard - which is advantage over normal japanese media, which is already quite restricted in its own tropes and artificial limitations

So yeah, its better since its stuff you`ll not get published normally - but rather it first some gem out of pile of 1000 shitty stories becomes popular online, and only then picked up for adaptation

>>147605911
>not trap
fuck off then why do they have to pressed more than once that he look fucking beautiful all the time

>>147606005
>And in turn japanese web toons are essentially doujinshi written without editorial restrictions and authors going full retard - which is advantage over normal japanese media, which is already quite restricted in its own tropes and artificial limitations
If only this was what actually happened, instead of a metric fuckton of homogenous clones all attempting to follow the leader in what's popular to try and get clicks.

>>147605911
>looks like a girl
>not a trap

>>147606015
Eru takes care of himself.

>>147606015
They`ll be showing his "middle aged unshaven" self whenever he does inner monologue/thoughs scene

>>147603007
>Mushoku Tensei
Anime when. Why adapt all the derivatives, when the genre exists specifically because and for this thing.

>>147606115
Fuck off Mushitkofag. Your series is bad and you should feel bad.

>>147606174
Your taste is shit and you should feel bad.

>>147606005
webs fics are all good?

Reminder that Dungeon Meshi >>>>>> your favorite isekai trash

>>147606230
There are many webnovels that are literally like Dungeon Meshi faggot.

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>>147606230
Not even near. Not even the best cooking manga.

Toaru Ossan no VRMMO Katsudouki is better, as is two dozens others.

>>147606248
>literally like

No one reaches the same level of humor as Meshi.

>>147606030

Yes, but just don't read those metric fuck ton of clones. Only read things like say, OPM.

>>147606260
>Toaru Ossan no VRMMO Katsudouki is better,

Opinion discarded.

The Gamer is the best Isekai because Abyss is another world and MC gets into it

Animo when?

>>147606230
Reminder that Twelve Kingdoms trumps all.

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>>147599763
The magic school was only a part of like half of the first volume. It quickly disappears into mech building and battles.

>>147599602
it's a bout a teen trying to get laid

>>147602494
Well the elves specifically taught him that but he still had to come up with a slight alternative if I remember right because he couldn't do it exactly like the elves did it.

>>147606526
Is there romance?

This is one of the very few isekai where the isekai bit feels very legit. Most of his success in the otherworld is attributable to one of two things. The first is programmer experience/ability to think like a programmer which lets him have a very efficient approach to new world's magic. The second is pure hard work and training from a crazy young age.

This is a world where magic capacity (mp) can be trained like stamina/cardio by constantly casting spells.

And all that hard work he does? All because he's obsessed with mechs and realized he was in a world with them.

Needless to say I'm quite happy this is getting an anime.

>>147606682
>>This is a world where magic capacity (mp) can be trained like stamina/cardio by constantly casting spells.
except he already has insane mana when he first casts a first spell, so no - he is "op" since start

>>147606682
who does it have to be a programmer and not a mechanical engineer?

>Most of his success in the otherworld is attributable to one of two things. The first is programmer experience/ability to think like a programmer which lets him have a very efficient approach to new world's magic

LOL MIDDLE AGES MAGIC PEOPLE ARE RETARDED AMIRITE?

>>147606682
>The second is pure hard work and training from a crazy young age.

It's amazing how isekai writers quickly ruin this trope even though it was always hype as fuck in shonenshit to go into training arcs.

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>>147606594
The MC is totally mechasexual. There is a girl in love with him but as far as I know she pretty much can't get through to him because all he has on the brain is mechs.

>>147606756
Just like how all nobles are evil corrupted fucks who mistreat their own people. I'm tired of these cliches.

>>147606712
Wait, what are you talking about? We never really saw his initial magic training state. It was like a brief glance then we got a multi year timeskip that he's spent the entire time training in.

>>147606833
>mc is prettier than love interest
Picked up.

>>147606756
If there are still retards like you around i am not surprised of middle ages people being retarded.

>>147606862
Mother shows him how to cast simple spell. First cast he blows away a tree performing it 10x time stronger than she.

>>147606875
Nice retort.

>>147606712
Double checked the webnovel. He totally has normal kid MP levels. He picks up on it somewhat fast but it's also clear that he does a lot of studying. (given that his grandfather is the head of the magic academy it's also reasonable that his family's library of books is likely pretty good) He's also accurate to the point of being praised.

So volume 1 chapter 1. Some quotes.
>They practiced all types of architect sigils one by one, allowing Eru to get used to the feeling of using magic. After casting spells repeatedly, Eru started to feel weird...

>"This is how it feels when you expend mana. If you don't experience it now, it will be troublesome in the future."

>"... I can't catch my breath, it feels painful. My mana is empty after using just a little magic, so depressing."

>"Don't be discouraged. You are still young, lacking mana is normal."


The manga glosses over the fact he has normal magic but the webnovel is pretty clear cut.

>>147606846
No, only male nobility are like that. If the noble is a young female of marriageable age then she is the epitome of egalitarianism.

>>147606940
>If you don't experience it now, it will be troublesome in the future

This sentence structure is Japanese as fuck. It's ugly in English.

>>147606954
Ha, true.

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>>147606902
The hell are you talking about? Blows away a tree? He hits a target and his mother is surprised about his accuracy.

>>147606974
>already professional level as a kid

Disgusting.

>>147606974
Dont use logic and proofs on faggots. It scares them.

>>147606965
>If you don't get a feel for it now, it'll bite you in the ass down the line - Yen Press

>>147607033
That sounds better. But still too informal for a noble.

>>147598767
>Thats absolute garbage premise

hahahahahahah OH WOW, worse isekai than konosuba and rezero confirmed.

>>147606746
The mechanical engineering he picks up in the school by studying hard. There's no indication he's good at it in his previous life. Further the materials being used in the fantasy world differ and material science wouldn't transfer 1:1.

Rather, the programming comes up because it allows him to understand magic while others don't. As a programmer myself it feels very legit. It's like how someone can learn some scripts and get by with copy paste but not be able to build anything themselves. Where as I can and have put together fairly complex scripts with automation while having low experience with the language due to understanding programming.

Once you understand the fundamentals of programming going from one language to another is mostly about learning the differences in syntax. So for him it's just about learning the new "magic syntax". It's literally something programmers do as part of their careers and thus doesn't feel like a cheat. It's just the way his brain works.

In the story the real strength of this isn't even his own spellcasting. It's his ability to put together a "magic plate". Or to put it in another way. He can program the software for his mechs when he builds them in a way that's more advanced then the world is used to.

>>147607052
>Should you not experience this at the present time, the consequences in due course shall be dire indeed. - [gg]

>>147607180
There you go. Sounds like a proper 19th century novel.

>>147607138
>not a single magic researcher understand the very thing they're researching

Woooow.

>>147607138
But all it should mean is that he gets a head start. Others who are not stupid should reach the level of coding that he is at some years hence. Unless this society that has built itself on magic across thousands of years is somehow bad at magic because reasons.

>>147607138
Oh and there is a difference between deathmarch and this in terms of how legit the "I used to be a programmer so I understand magic" feels.

The deathmarch protag is cheaty as fuck and it feels like he doesn't have to work at all to understand magic. It feels like his power set does most of the work for him.

Knights and Magic protag obsessively shoves his nose into books and experiments to get there. By the time he's breaking records in magic school he has literally already spent years working hard studying on his own. From the age of 3.

This is why reincarnation is better then summoning by the by. Gives the character an entire childhood to get used to the world and language.

>>147600126
Not really. Takeru goes between his own alternate realities and shit, but it's not really what you'd consider isekai. He's only competent from the readers perspective because he's an amalgamation of countless failed realities by that point.

>>147607284
Deathmarch MC has admin console access. Of course he feels "cheaty"

>>147607238
>>147607237
Let me put it this way, can you compare the scientific knowledge of Charles Darwin with that of someone from the modern day with a PhD in evolutionary biology?

>>147607297
>but it's not really what you'd consider isekai.
Mate he is literally a Mecha videogame enthusiast who gets transported into another world where he uses his videogame experience to get ahead of the curve in mecha piloting. He also uses his knowledge of beginner mode and macros to "invent" the concept of the XM3.

>because he's an amalgamation
No, his squad had difficulty keeping up with him even in Unlimited

>>147606260
>anything published under Alphapolis
>good

lol

>>147607388
Takeru in Alt/Unlimited is an amalgamation of countless Takerus. His piloting skill doesn't come from his gaming, it's from actually piloting TSF's across countless realities/timelines.

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>isekaishit
>mechashit
>trapshit

>>147607284
>Knights and Magic protag obsessively shoves his nose into books and experiments to get there. By the time he's breaking records in magic school he has literally already spent years working hard studying on his own. From the age of 3.

It still feels cheaty as fuck. I especially hate when reincarnation stories make absurdly smart toddlers telling adults what to do. Like that one female where she's only six year old and she's already telling adults how to do their jobs.

>>147607426
>His piloting skill doesn't come from his gaming, it's from actually piloting TSF's across countless realities/timelines.
I dunno what to tell you, in Unlimited he is explaining all the crazy moves he's doing in Valgern-on terminology with nonsense like buffering and cancels that just puzzles everyone else he talks to. He evades Tama's shots using erratic acrobatics he learned how to do from Valgernon.

>>147607238
>>147607237
You'd be surprised. There can and are people out there that use programming every day without really getting it. Granted they tend not to call themselves programmers. Copy and paste only requires you to know what the result is and not how it works. You can get some fairly complex results by just using stuff that way but you can't repair or build new stuff easily.

> Others who are not stupid should reach the level of coding that he is at some years hence.

Well first off how many magic researchers do you think there are at any given time? Consider retrovirus research and the results of Foldit. Quantity of people has a big effect on research and it's easy to assume that a lot of strong spellcasters where busy doing other things (such as fighting) during this time period.

Second it's clear that society is good at the magic. Someone wrote the books that MC reads. Someone found a way to explain it to kids. Someone came up with it originally and expanded it.

Stagnation isn't a result of stupidity. Really consider what it means to come up with an idea that nobody has thought of before. The idea of zero is a revolution for example but you can get by just fine in day to day life without it.

MC simply gains a more fundamental understanding of the magic system and rapidly ties with experiences researchers. He adjusts several spells to be more efficient and less draining.

Third, it's entirely plausible that people in the world can learn MC's methodology from him. Heck it may be fairly easy for the genius researchers of the world. Trick is MC has to sit down and actually teach it.

>>147607481
>It still feels cheaty as fuck. I especially hate when reincarnation stories make absurdly smart toddlers telling adults what to do. Like that one female where she's only six year old and she's already telling adults how to do their jobs.
The opposite, i love those kind of stories and is one of main reasons i read issekai. Progressor stories where they bring own technology, advance society and stuff are best too.

>>147607519
I have no idea what's the appeal, especially when the protag isn't someone I'll root for.

>>147607492
Unlimited isn't the first/only time he goes through that shit. From the reader's perspective it is, but Takeru has been through it countless times. The Takeru the reader follows into Alternative is the one that finally breaks through the cycle of failing and redoing everything.

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Well yes it's Isekai but I think the huge fucking mecha changes it up a little.

>>147607553
It's cool if you don't like it. Not everyone has the same tastes.

Me and
>>147607519
have similar tastes though. For me progressor/reincarnation stories actually provide justification for isekai. It gives a reason for the character to be from another world. It's an exploration of the clash of concepts. Some modern world guilty pleasure elitism too.

There are many isekai where the MC could just be a random in world hero. The story might even be less clunky and better in that case. But then I also read fantasy novels so it's not like I can't read those too.

Wait a minute, the MC both builds and pilots his own mecha? Do they allow their engineers to also be pilots?

>>147607620
It's been done before, see: Rayearth, Escaflowne, Muv-Luv

>>147599064
>SAO
>isekai
Please.

I want an isekai where the main female cucks the protagonist but he will never get his revenge for it.

>>147598767
Why can't they make the MCs female? CGDCT + isekai, HOLY SHIT I'M A GENIUS.

>>147607809
just read hentai

>>147599064
>the success of Re: Zero
>konosuba
>sub 10k sellers being relevant or changing the industry trends

Nice meme!

>>147607836
Won't be good either. They can't write female MCs either.

>>147607710
When the fucker builds mecha shiva and controls it like his own body then yeah.

>>147607836
There's fucking dozens of them, thing is female MCs don't sell.

>>147607836
But there are plenty Isekai with female MCs.

The biggest way to outright ruin a isekai story is to have (MMO)RPG elements instead directly into the world, with stat screens and item appraisal and levels with skill points. Disembodied voice explaining how things work is optional.

As long as they don't pull that crap I'm up for it.

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>>147607710
Not usual. The pilots and engineers are separate divisions. MC's entire point to learning how to build a mech though is because he wants to design his own personal mech for himself to then pilot. He just ends up dragged into the process of designing and building tons of mechs for the country because mech development has pretty much stagnated.

>>147607710
Its basically an /m/ faggot reincarnated into a world where mechas are real the novel.

So what do you think?

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>>147607948
There's none of that in this story. A large part of the start of the story is MC getting along with the engineer crew at his school and then suggesting ideas for them and then end up dragged into the process of actually designing and building a whole new type of mech which then snowballs into designing and implementing tons of new mech gadgets and weapons and other new designs.

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>>147598767
>>a Japanese mecha otaku dies in a car accident and his soul is reincarnate

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY You have mecha fantasy. That's cool enough on it's own.

Why do you have to do the lowbrow pandering Otaku thing?

What is an otaku even gonna bring to the fight? Watching anime doesn't prepare for the real thing? Why do you have to fuck it up?

>>147607861
>>147607913
>>147607917
How can that be? CGDCT practically sells itself.
What examples are there?

Does the MC give his mecha YAMATO DAMASHII names like Masamune and Musashi and Great Shogun Tokugawa?

>>147608049
The whole subgenre of otome reincarnation stuff, things like Evil God Average or Kumo.

>>147608042
He's a mech otaku but he was also a genius programmer. Just because someone is an otaku doesn't mean they're also a hiki-neet.

>>147598767
>'another world' shit

>>147608042
For a mecha fan, I figure the real draw is seeing mech development from a basic and stagnant level. With a rapid pace so it's just cool robot after cool robot.

>>147608086
>genius programmer.
He wasnt. His main job wasnt even programming, he just happened to be the only one in workplace with programming skills.

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>>147608057
He names his personal mech Ikaruga but all the other mechs are usually named by other people.

So you Tellestarle, Tzendorg, etc etc.

>>147608109

I can go watch Robotics Notes any time

>>147608042
Otaku can refer to to many things. He's not the kind of otaku you are imagining probably.

He's actually an adult programmer working at the office but obsessed with mecha.

>>147608067
>otome
But that's entirely different from what I'm talking about. I mean CGDCT with isekai female MC.

>>147608136

I don't care and that's not the issue.

Just build a fantasy world. You don't have to have anyone from Japan come to it.

>>147608153
Yea well this is narou isekai. Good luck with that.

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Enemy mech on the right.

>>147608141
Isekai CGCDT is pretty much pointless, most female MCs I know of have more agency than that even if they're braindead retards like Camille or Katarina.

>>147608153
But that's not the point of the story, the whole point is that it's about a gunpla enthusiast getting a chance to build real gundams, it's a story that's wish fulfillment for gunpla enthusiasts.
Take Muv Luv for example, it's a wish fulfillment story about a guy who lives to play robot games who goes to another world and gets to fly a real robot and bang a robot too. Take that out of the equation and you get underwhelming generic robot drama like Total Eclipse and Schwartz.

I am certainly interested, plus i like cute traps and mecha.

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Really makes you think.

>>147608310
Uhhh explain this please. His isekai lookalike is a girl or is that him trapping.

>>147608403
Same illustrator for 2 different LNs.

>>147608310
What's that on the left? Shirogane something something?

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>>147608425
白银の救世机

>the mecha will be 3DCGI anyway

Is there any story significance to the MC's trap status like in SAO2, or did the author just want a trap to self insert as?

>>147608229

I know what it is, sir and I don't like it.


When I watch or build gundams Im not thinking man it would be cool to watch some schlub drive these around.

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>>147608889
The second. If you're gonna write bullshit in your free time to make yourself happy might as well indulge yourself a bit. Have a unrelated, genderbent vampire loli.

>name is Ernesti
>nickname is Eru
That's not how the diminutive works...

>>147607836
>Why can't they make the MCs female?
If one day Kenkyo Kenjitsu o Motto ni Ikite Orimasu will get anime.

>>147609153
It needs a LN first because for some damned reason it still doesn't have one as far as I know.

>>147609176
Really? didn't know that, and unexpected for me.

>>147609247
Yeah, you'd think the trendsetter would get a official publication before the rest of the rabble but nope, no LN as far as I know.

>>147609176
>>147609304
Woah I wonder why though. Its like number 2 on narou right after MT and supposedly pretty popular.

>>147603234
That isn't even a differentiating factor anymore since plenty of shitty RPG-like isekai novels are published directly in LN format now. Hell, plenty of famous LN authors have jumped on the isekai bandwagon.

And Danmachi somehow managed to do the gamification aspect without even being an isekai.

>>147608929
Albino vampire loli seems to be a startlingly popular reincarnation choice.

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>>147598767
Would pick this up if there's romantic relation with MC's best friend that is a boy.

I want my trap MC ended up with a boy.

>>147609879
I understand those people completely.
>>147609907
The man is mechasexual, no space for anyone else there.

>>147609861
Differentiating factor between trash with potential and just plain trash, I meant.

>>147609153
>>147609304
I find it interesting how female-oriented isekai often use the "soul fusion" (MC's soul is fused with the soul of an otherworldly inhabitant and gains her memories) type of reincarnation or the "temporarily amnesiac" type of reincarnation where the MC doesn't regain memories of her past life until pushed into a corner even when it's not necessary for storytelling purposes because the trendsetters used those to justify why an otome game character would act normally in the first years of her life before suddenly gaining genre savvy knowledge.

Compare that to male oriented isekai which use transportation/summoning or reincarnation with all your memories intact much more often.

It's an interesting divide.

>>147607860
re:zero's 8-9k per volume is pretty good for a 12-13 volume release.

and konosuba sold 14k first volume, 10k per volume after. so i'm not sure what you're bitching about anymore.

>>147598767
this has to be one of the worst isekai i've ever had the displeasure to try to read. Its the pinnacle of poorly written wish fulfillment nonsense.

>>147608141
Kumo isn't an otome isekai in the least.

It's CSDHT (cute spiders doing horrible things).

>>147599859
he's a boy who looks like a cute girl. Of course all the chicks want to bang him; even his own mother because fuck everything, if we're gonna write a wish fullfillment lets do it balls to the wall full throttle gag me with a spoon horribad.

To top it all off he has ZERO sexual interest in anything that is not a 10ton mech. so all the pussy flying at him gets ignored completely because beta mecha otaku-fags can't self insert as a cute trap if trap-kun actually sticks his dick in any of the horde of cute girls lusting for his cock.

>>147610193
>MC already has a waifu (mecha)
>HURR WHY WON'T HE FUCK OTHER GIRLS

>>147610121
There's this one where both personalities exist at the same time and are aware of each other.
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/akuyaku-reijo-ni-koi-wo-shite/

>>147610193
10m+ tall death machines you built>disgusting 2DPD

>>147610193
>>147610254
mecha ntr show when ?

>>147610316
Fafner Exodus NTR'd the mecha, fujo, childhood friend,milf and yuri with suffering for everyone.

>>147610316
>You think your tiny dick can compare to a high firepower laser cannon? Haha! How pathetic!

>>147598767
So hes pretending to be a girl?

>>147610558
Nah, he just wants to be pretty.

>>147610558
No, he just doesn't give a fuck.

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>>147607913
>thing is female MCs don't sell

Yeah, sure.

I guess that's why almost all top sellers in last few years had female MC's.

>>147610582
>doesn't give a fuck
>wears a high maintenance feminine hairstyle

>>147610616
How am I supposed to self-insert as a girl? I can only self insert as a girl with a penis.

>>147610122

The thing is the best you could say about them is "pretty good".

Shit like SAO sold 50k first volume and 30k average. LL sold over 100k. GuP around 30k. Madoka around 70k.

Those are the series people want to copy. Not something struggling to hit 10k.

And both Re Zero and Konosuba were not even generic isekai. Re Zero got popular because it shits all over it's MC instead of being wish fulfillment. And Konosuba is a parody.

>>147610707
Done and done.
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/dragons-bloodline/
Hope you like feminine futa dragon dicks.

>>147610707
>not wanting to be a cute 2D girl

Holy shit, are you gay or something?

Is this tained by an EOP "translation" or is it clean?

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>>147610805
You just don't get it, man.

>>147598767
>Literal shit get adaptation
KILL ME

Is the MC a trap or a loli?

I want to go back to full fucking retard urban fantasy already

>>147610790
>I have no Idea what I'm talking about the post

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>>147610985
>Your face when next step is isekai high school battle harem urban fantasy

>>147611055
Misquoted >>147611021

>>147611034
oh the irony, either post proof or btfo

>>147601521
>Mecha Mahouka
So, right-wing shit?

>>147611363
Nope, no politics, just programming and mecha related autism.

>>147603234
>all skill points in evasion
lol

>>147611978
how else can harem MC dodge all the pussy and tits thrown at him ?

>>147612082
Actually with isekai harems MC gets all the pussy very often.

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>>147611034
>I have no argument

Anon, listen. Just write your shit and post it on narou, maybe it will be the breath of fresh air industry needs. You have already made a fucking eroge, writing WN should be easier.

>>147612535
But I can't speak Japanese.

>>147612774
Look at what we have now. The Japanese authors baraly can speak Japanese.

>>147598767
>MC isn't reincarnated as a girl

Interest lost.

>>147611021
Enjoy your Strike the Blood OVAs then I guess

>>147601260
Are you me?

One of the very few isekai I like due to it being fantasy mecha.

Fantasy Mecha needs more love.

Finally I can spurdo post like mad on an anime. Fucking Finnish names everywhere.

What was that one isekai LN where the main character just gets the power to make everyone else do whatever he wants and he uses the skill to make everyone his slaves and fucks literally every girl. I loved it because it was so fucking horrible and so blatant that it wasnt even trying to hide its pandering intentions.

>>147600317
I thought the orange one was his unit.

>>147607019
Well it is justified due to him being a programmer in his previous life.

>>147613389
Since when being a programmer makes you a sharpshooter as well?

>>147613420
Shit happens.

>>147613181
I'm pretty sure I've seen several novels with that premise, not that I can name even one of them.

>>147603234
Oww the edge.

>>147607237
The best mecha makers in the country didn't think they could improve upon the programming part because they didn't even see it as programming and basically no one there touched it at all for that reason because it was complex as fuck.
MC's real cheat is how he can program in his head. The first big fight he has he steals a mech from a McBully and hotwires his mech to magically tap into his brain and he is able to literally become a top pilot by controlling it via programming. He's fighting at a level beyond everyone with higher performance and doing it all with programming in the middle of a intense fight.
Now thats fucking cheat level bullshit, even more so than some god just slapping a power up his ass.

>>147613699
Oh yeah, that is bullshit.

>>147607710
They actually tell him early on that you need to be a certain height before you can fucking pilot a mech but that doesn't stop him. He just says "Im going to make my own mech then". By the time he's actually making his own mechs he's already a country level hero for stealing a mech and fighting gojira. Eventually he gets funding and starts his own mercenary base at like age 14 with all his buddies.

>>147613699
>because they didn't even see it as programming and basically no one there touched it at all for that reason because it was complex as fuck
But surely SOMEBODY had to have written the mecha OS in the first place, preferably as part of a team or department dedicated to writing and improving mecha OS.

A fully functioning control system for a giant robot doesn't just spring into existence overnight, and the knowledge and technical expertise to do so is the product of generations and unlikely to simply vanish.

Is this the "medieval people were idiots" meme at work?

>>147613950
Everyone is probably running on android while MC is iOS master race because Japan.

>>147613699
>MC's real cheat is how he can program in his head. The first big fight he has he steals a mech from a McBully and hotwires his mech to magically tap into his brain and he is able to literally become a top pilot by controlling it via programming. He's fighting at a level beyond everyone with higher performance and doing it all with programming in the middle of a intense fight.
>Now thats fucking cheat level bullshit, even more so than some god just slapping a power up his ass.
So he was writing in assembly language in his head or otherwise he would have had to wait hours for it to compile

>>147598767
But ofc, there are tons of isekais to adapt and you are being a faggot. There are +40 diferent anime each season and there are plenty of genres and builds, almost every new anime adaptation resembles to another in the main plot so you can point almost every anime build for being repetitive not only the isekais.

>>147598767
WE ARE NOW ONE SERIES CLOSER TO THE ALL-FANTASY SRW I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

>>147613950
No, its not like that. The elves are basically giving nary a fuck in their super secret forest and they just go to sleep forever at like 100. There's this MIT-like place with all the geniuses in the nation where they build all they mechs. They pretty much made the thing the MC is looking at, and the people who actually know how the hell it works just have been using it forever. They just view it as far too complex to even get into in the first place, but even then after they get a copy of MC's changes and they can look at it with their own eyes its just beyond their level of understanding. MC wrote it as computer program, they thought it was magic. They had no chance. They still manage to make some decent mechs to compete against MCs, mostly because the MC is busy fucking around with rockets the whole match.
>>147614037
Its not even actual computer language its just magical runes with a structure happily similar to programming, so he was doing that, in combat, at a level where he could also fight far better than any other mech on the field and beat gojira.

>>147614298
>The elves are basically giving nary a fuck in their super secret forest and they just go to sleep forever at like 100.
So it was actually coded by the elves and the humans are just CTRL+C & CTRL+V their stuff forever?

>There's this MIT-like place with all the geniuses in the nation where they build all they mechs. They pretty much made the thing the MC is looking at, and the people who actually know how the hell it works just have been using it forever. They just view it as far too complex to even get into in the first place
So nobody is even trying, then. They're supposed to be geniuses but they're not even willing to try to glean clues from a thing that's basically been given to them to try and advance the complexity of their own magic. Shit, if the real life MIT got their hands on a giant robot from the future they'd be salivating at the opportunity to throw infinite money and resources at cracking it courtesy of the Department of Defense.

>MC wrote it as computer program, they thought it was magic.
But their magic is sufficiently analagous to computer programming that their own scholars should have made at least SOME advancements in the field of magical construction parallel to our own, shouldn't they?

I mean come on, we've had computers for less than a hundred years. They've had magic which works on principles analogous to computers for how long?

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Hopefully with isekai getting popular we can finally get a second season.

>>147610193
Hmm.. This reminds me of someone, minus the trap part.

SETSNA

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>MC has the "appraisal" skill and its somehow the thing that makes hthem broken

Why the fuck is this common? Why appraisal especially?

>>147614583
Its fairly obvious in the LN that they are fucked. Its a small country under constant attack, its not a matter of budget. They never even had the perspective the MC does and his change to that one part is significant but its not everything.
They were stagnant is basically what the king was saying. Its the one part about his contributions I can believe in, since no one understood how he did what he did to the one part of the machine even after they saw it.
They just think he's a supergenius.
Which is true. By the time he's 12 he's the best magician in the country because of his constant training from birth and magic programming understanding. However, since he doesn't give a fuck about magic everyone thinks he's insane.

>>147614706
Its just a real easy way for the character to call in the narrator to explain things in the world rather than having the character have to talk to people and gather information or just go on what they know or what they can tell about the thing. This is so they can then sit there for a chapter figuring out what to do thanks to the convenient infodump.

>>147614609

YUZURENAI

>>147614853
So its laziness. Got it.

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>>147614706
Literally

>>147614706
Because information is ridiculously important in most common isekai scenarios. When you're still a baby natively being able to gather information and come to understand things without yet being able to communicate or read the world's language lets you start learning faster, most isekai stories of that type also have a setting where you are able to learn at a much more rapid pace than any grown up while you are still young, the reincarnator this way is able to get a huge head start compared to anyone else since they are easily able to get a solid 5-6 years more practice in the high growth period.
Even just in general, information, which Appraisal type skills provide, is one of the most important tools to staying alive. It lets you judge which battles you want to take and which to avoid, lets you formulate strategies based on the opponents skills, etc. If you know exactly what your opponent is capable of it becomes way easier to deal with them, it's honestly one of the most cheat like things there is in any game world

>>147614583
Breakthroughs don't just happen all the time, innovation is really fucking difficult and is just non stop failures until you finally achieve something.

50 years later after your thesis has been reviewed and published and being taught in schools, shitheads like you would be like oh, why couldn't they think of this sooner?

Hand someone in the middle ages a smartphone with instructions and they might figure out how to use it, but the whole device might as well be a blackbox without the prerequisite tech base.

>>147615025
Not to mention the fucking resource chain needed to make the damn thing.
>You need palladium
>how do I get that?
>gotta mine and shit I dont know
>>147614932
are you irate

>>147615169
But it is laziness. Instead of writing the story well in a manner that allows the information flow naturally, appraisal skill is used to deliver "handy" info dumps so the writer can just leap to the next part faster.

The easiest thing to put over would be coking. Not cocaine, but the baking of coal to release coal gas, coal tar, and to give you coke.
With this you can now make steel by heating iron until all the oxygen oxidises away the carbon inside the liquid iron, then adding carbon as desired to make reliable steel.
With this you can make boilers for steam engines. With steam engines you have a way to utilise rotational motion to cut wood, operate looms, pump water, drive trains and ships, and generally start industry.
Although the problem of screws is one to solve but that's gotta be done the hard way. From whence the first screw thread? Good screws are required for good lathes. Good lathes are required for stable axles and such.

You also have a chemical industry to worry about, but you can kickstart that using experiments with coal tar.

There's a lot, but a lot of it is industrial kickoff type stuff.

>>147615223
I disagree. Its 'amateur' in that you're just telling the necessary part so the reader can understand the world better, but that works for some readers who just want information about the world to expand their imagination of the world at hand. While you can just explain around it long form and give examples of how something works via experimentation or something else, usually the item/character's status won't ever be relevant to the story in the slightest. So what you're doing is having the reader imagine a bunch of possibilities with the information while in reality probably the most obvious thing is going to occur because its an LN/WN and they just do whatever. It's absolutely unacceptable for english writing though, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it for what it is.
Or its just lazy in which case Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

>>147615313
But you wouldn't know that. Why should I bake coal instead of just burning it for fuel? Why should I add carbon to iron? Iron is iron, it doesn't get any better than that.
This smith from two towns away made a really sturdy sword but he just got killed/died of old age/moved across the sea and his property looted so no one knows the secret behind it.

Shit nigger why are you trying to seal a container while boiling water, it's gonna explode, don't fucking do that

>>147615399
>Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

Wot?

>>147615706
People die when they are killed.

>>147598767
I'd say at least there'd be more trap hentai out there thanks to this, but he seems pretty shit for one anyways. And that's design alone. I've seen better original trap designs on Pixiv.

A trap for the sake of being a trap, rather than actually attractive or interesting.

It's shit.

>>147615313
You know, if you actually had the knowledge to make drugs and other addictive substances, you could easily become the evil druglord. Take over the fantasy world by corrupting the various raves with drugs.

>>147615025
>Breakthroughs don't just happen all the time, innovation is really fucking difficult and is just non stop failures until you finally achieve something.
>50 years later after your thesis has been reviewed and published and being taught in schools, shitheads like you would be like oh, why couldn't they think of this sooner?
Except that this isn't a case of bringing future stuff back to a medieval past, but about a society which has had plenty of time and lots of intelligent people to develop techniques for using their own magic on which their society runs but isn't even trying because they decided it was too hard.

>>147616040
Yeah but they never heard of programming in the first place. They don't even understand the basics of his concepts. The elves did, but even then the MC didn't understand fully what they were doing either because its fucking magic not programming.

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>>147616497
Wait, so they somehow built an entire society and military based on magic that they can only use empirically? They can't make steps towards deriving more complex magic from the basics because they don't even know the basics of the basics of how magic works? How did MC figure out that it works like programming if nobody could teach him the basics of understanding what he's looking at?

>>147616963
MC read a book. They just can into his thinking of how their magic works, it just doesn't make any sense to them.

>>147617144
Hmm, nope, I still can't grasp the concept.

Either it's only structurally similar to programming so it helps MC to learn what they know by thinking about what he reads in the book from a programming perspective, but progressing beyond what they know is hard because it's not like the syntax is anywhere near the same and a lot of trial and error is needed.

Or magic is an exact analogue of Objective C so he knows it all already and the people of the other world are just too lazy to try to at least inspect the runes, look for patterns, and try some trial and error to see what is the result of running them in certain combinations.

The ancients in real life were able to achieve some very impressive mathematical feats.

>>147617579
You gotta read the fanfic then anon

Doesn't it basically boil down to yet another "medieval peasants are so dumb, even their smartest intellectuals pale in comparison to the MC"?

>>147618255
Shut up. You are not allowed to criticize the isekai genre. Its perfect.

>>147618255
In this one specifically MC is mechatarded and the king thinks its a blessing that he only cares about mechs because if he cared about anything else he might have a serious opponent for the throne.
Doesn't help that MC grows up in a backwater kingdom in a state of perpetual war. When we get to see more of other countries maybe MC will be shown to be less smart. The elves are definitely smarter than him at the very least.

>>147618255
Those silly medieval peasants, they don't even know you're supposed to flip steaks when you cook them.

>>147618506
which novel is it where everyone gets really excited when the MC flips steaks and it makes them taste better?

>>147598767
>Echevarria
Does he reincarnate into a spic?

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>>147598767
Would fuck.

>Trap MC
Damn it. I was genuinely interested before that.
They had to fuck up such a nice premise by adding a faggot-pandering MC.

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>>147598767
So the trap fad isn't over?

>>147619125
About the only impact it has on the plot is everyone commenting on his appearance and him gaining the affections of random girls and just not giving a single fuck about them at all.

>>147604336
>sister change isekai
Now that more people are on, anyone else read this one before or know if it got signed under a different name?

>magic is programming
I haven't read the novels to comment on this not being retarded, etc. but I'd say in general it's not surprising a medieval society might not experiment.

We take for granted the scientific method these days, but until the renaissance, there wasn't large public backing for tinkering. Most people were just making enough for subsistence—tinkering was reserved for state backing in limited cases, or eccentric wealthy patrons sponsoring someone. A lot of experimental stuff was also taboo bc the church saw it as heresy, etc. Not to mention overall education levels weren't very high in medieval times. So you had what you had, and you just used it and accepted thats how it worked.

>>147619125
Trap MC is basically only pandering to women who want to itch the ditch or hug him

>>147604336
Yeah I read a chapter or two of that one.

Can't for the life of me remember the name, though. Sorry.

Well atleast its not another fucking male to female reincarnation
cause that shits gay
might as well reincarnated as guy on the other world but you like dicks anyway so might as well pretend you're a girl

>>147608929
So what ln is this one from?

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>>147622405
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/dragons-bloodline/

>>147619878
That's actually wrong, the church was the entity who funded most scientific research. Jesuits in particular were huge on science and astronomy. They had some pretty clear guidelines on what was theory and law.

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>>147622499
Thank you.

>>147623977
I gave you the wrong one on accident, the one I linked before is about a genderbent dragon girl loli that grows a futa cock to fuck her half-elf partner, the vampire is from this:
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-reincarnated-vampire-wants-an-afternoon-nap/

>>147624077
Half-elf partner? The half-elf ended up with the one knight guy. She has two human girls and one dragon girl like her in her harem so far.

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>>147624077
>is about a genderbent dragon girl loli that grows a futa cock to fuck her half-elf partner
It's not like I can be mad at you for linking me the wrong one.

>>147605911
He unlocked magic the proper way through 30 years of virginity.

>>147624711
It's been ages since I bothered with it, might as well go reread it at this point.

>>147608889
There is no story significance in SAO (.Period.The End).

>>147619878
The process for making the mechs is basically like this.

The elves who are fucking amazing at magic make the mech cores because they have a deal with the kingdom where the kingdom protects them and they do that in exchange. The kingdom then uses the cores to power their mechs. The kingdom has tried to learn how the cores work over time but those things are ridiculous complex. Not even the MC when he tried to learn the secrets from the elves, figured it out. He had to come up with an alternative method because he couldn't understand it at all.

Thus the kingdom was basically limited on what they could actually do with their mechs. All they do was build a frame and stick the core in. They couldn't do anything more complex than that because they had no idea how the core was actually working. Their mechs were limited to basically human design because that was what they thought worked best. A human knight that used a sword and shield, also usually carrying a large staff like weapon to use magic. Basically they modeled them like their knights would be. The biggest thing MC did here was just come in with a fresh point of view influenced from all his mech otakuness and say, why do they have to be limited to human looks? Like he suggested a spare arm on the back to hold the magic staff / cannon.

>>147624970
It already 2 complete sequels and a third one in progress

>>147607565
Every time he resets in unlimited, he forgets all his skills and shit he learned, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten his shit kicked in during regular soldier training. How the fuck would he have had all the skills yet get his ass handed to him by girls?

>>147618708
there's a vasconcelos too, so is right beaner

>>147618255
All peasants are NPC's, start murder train and finally bring Gary to justice.

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Why do all these MC's have to be so effeminate

I'd be happy reading about some sword genius samurai wank MC if he was full on Bushido and obsessed with the samurai way of life instead of cool guy Final Fantasy MC

>>147625617
Does Drifters count?

>>147625753
Drifters always counts

>>147618640
What, there exists such a story?!
I need to know the name, please someone tell me.

>>147618640
Dungeon Meshi.

>>147627034
Damn it is just that ... not that the manga isn't great but every time being reminded that you are still waiting for next chapter is annoying.

>>147625004
So its essentially the black-box situation from Escaflowne where you had the guymelef powered by the gem supplied by the Ispano.

Or Last Exile where the reactor room was closed off and supplied by the other race.

>>147627289
I didn't know that, I guess the whole elf thing wasn't that original after all.
In the story he has to spend a full arc designing new mechs for the empire just to get clearance to go study with the elves because the king realizes its better to use his intelligence rather than dismissing him for being twelve.
They'll probably age him up for the anime at least because there's school arc with the finale mecha battle, then design arc. I bet they'll probably end when he has all his friends swear fealty to his lordship whatever thing.

>>147627692
Even better: Zaibach Empire(bad guys) had high-tech guymelefs in Escaflowne, but they were developed and the Empire was ran by someone from Earth, basically.

>>147628034
In this one there are other nations but the nation where the MC is is a buffer nation against monster hordes so most of the plot is focused around that. I hope at least they animate the first real mech fight or its pretty much a waste of the anime.

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>>147599763

Hey, anime wasn't always like this. Anime used to be cool. Anime fans used to be cool.

>>147618708
Nah he's a spurdo.

>newfags actually think isekai is something new
>newfags actually consider it its own genre now

>>147629941
Reminder that .hack is isekai and is shit.

>>147601173
Grimgar is deconstruction of isekai too, right, anon?

>>147630852
The word deconstruction lost its meaning a long time ago.

>>147631129
It got popular as a shorthand for madokafags to explain their surprise at a series which bucked the norms despite being such a mainstream work. Really, its just novelty which almost every series has its own little changes, usually nothing that big though.
Grimgar and Madoka were similar though in that the focus was shifted even if it was using a similar plot. Grimgar was more about kids adapting to each other and teenage drama while Madoka was more about madokas choice given the reality of the situation.

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>>147631129
just because a term is often over or misused, doesn't mean it has become meaningless

>>147632018
huh well thats useful
I'll forget it quickly and make sure no one sees the image

>>147632018
That picture makes me want to hurl. Whoever the first idiot was to misuse Derrida's "Deconstruction" ought to be drawn and quartered for spawning shit like this. This image is not only poorly researched, it's internally inconsistent.

>>147633423
I don't know about the derrida part but the rest seemed consistent to me I don't know what you're complaining about.

>>147633423
I was actually surprised by how not shit their assessment of everything was.
>>>/lit/

>>147633816
>>147633605
Maybe you should re-read the image then.
The biggest concern is that there is not a consistent line between many of the examples and NGE which the image says is basically the birthplace of the term. NGE examples involve taking the trope/cliche and executing it in a way that flips the expectation. That isn't the case for the examples in the Witcher where it basically tries to avoid even the basis of the cliches while appropriating traditional fantasy archetypes. Structurally, Cabin in the Woods doesn't fit into either of those categories.

If what this image is basically saying is that "deconstruction" is the act of interfacing with a common narrative device by playing against expectation, then we have a clear definition but then the "groundbreaking" works we have aren't really all that groundbreaking since they've been played with time and time again. If anything, this broadens the scope of what defines deconstruction to almost make what is and what is not deconstruction a pointless argument.

What's worse, because it relies upon the relationship of deconstruction and reconstruction, the determination of a deconstruction becomes dependent on an individual's perspective as what the origin of a cliche is even if their own depth of knowledge on the genre is lacking (for example, we predicate the idea that NGE is deconstruction on the assumption that it significantly plays with highly common cliches in the genre, which is a debatable point).

>>147635317
How was NGE not a clear cultural shift for super robot shows then? Call it whatever you want, it messed with the usual troupes and rethought them. In that case, is it just a regular story? Isn't 'deconstruction' at least useful in this case to illustrate the story reimagining the use of the troupes?

>>147635466
Because the real thrust of NGE is it's character interactions and the portrayal of mental illness and feelings of loneliness and isolation. Because the even things like Mazinger Z already played with the consequences of having a lone teen pilot a machine of destruction. Because then Gundam would be a deconstruction because it follows those same cliches while twisting the resulting expectation.

Ironically, thinking on this, it brings us back to Derrida and postmodernism. By defining something as "deconstruction" we define what the structure must be. But what that structure is is based around what people have and have not seen or is a matter of perspective. Most wouldn't call Gundam a deconstruction, but it follows the ideas outlined in the above. Instead, Gundam being so omnipresent is seen as an example of the structure itself. This is a matter of perspective and context defining and pigeonholing an idea. Derrida's deconstruction is much more freeing, even for the writer. It's about stripping away the context and allowing free interpretation and appropriation of concepts. Compared to that, this deconstruction is merely criticism through subversion of expectation, hardly anything groundbreaking in the case of NGE which borrows heavily from angsty grittiness that was not uncommon during the era.

>>147637072
Still don't see why that would make it inconsistent. Just because its popular doesn't mean its the 'structure'. I know its hard to admit Eva influenced anime, but if you look at series before that and series after that there's a clear turn the shows take that turns darker and more angst focused. Similar to what we've seen since Madoka. Which has nothing to do with deconstruction.
I figure its pretty useless to bother with the term if it just generates this level of discussion. It's an interesting show, who cares why?

>>147637621
>I know its hard to admit Eva influenced anime
I never said it didn't. I'm not an Eva hater. But the same thing could be said about Gundam and its influence on the composition of the genre, but those things do not seem to define what a deconstruction is. Instead it's the nebulous notion that it's a subversion of expectation and sometimes thematically so, but that's so broad an understanding it almost makes it pointless to call anything a deconstruction. The image tries to create a precise idea of what deconstruction is, but fails to do so. Examples like Cabin in the Woods even defy the creator's own stated definition of deconstruction (the movie being more metaphorical than literal and having more fantastic elements means that it isn't looking "through the prism of realism" nor does it try to find the "flaws" of cliche) which makes the entire thing a mess to read and makes me wonder if the creator has anything more than a passing understanding of the genres he's discussing. Which again brings me back to the fundamental problem of this "deconstruction" requiring a defined "structure" which might not actually exist except in the minds of people generationally or popularly.

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Holy shit, he's adorable.

Literally Mahouka.

>>147613181

slave harem? - this MC just buys hot chicks so he can fuck them.

slavemancer? - this MC had a "power/skill" that allowed him to enslave anyone he came across, his cum lowers resistence to his mind/body enslaving for those pesky paladins who might be able to resist him at first.

Arifureta? - oh wait, no this was the one where the MC was basically god and all the chicks (litterally) want to fuck him, so he does. no force on that one, if she was female and had a name she was in the harem getting the D.

>>147628438
>implying past anime wasn't filled to the brim with mechshit

Why does it have to be a reincarnation isekai? Can't it just be a mecha fantasy world with a kid who grows up wanting to be an engineer and then becoming an engineer/pilot?

>>147641434
But then how would they create that neocolonial fantasy of the civilized modern man bringing his culture, technology, and civilization to the savages who marvel over his superiority and worship him as the ubermensch?

>>147613420
>Since when does being a programmer makes you a sharpshooter as well?
it happens every time a guided missile is fired (basically whenever a formula is the one doing the aiming) (p.s i'm referring to radar or infrared guided not laser guided) may be wrong though