Goten is NOT Black. He's a good boy that would never want to destroy ningens.
You're right. It's Bardock.
Black is Bardock, which is how they're going to introduce the Time Breaker Saga
>using that telekinesis pull to set up a karate chop to the back
and faggots be sleeping on Toyotaro's fight choreography
Gonna leave this here. Let's look at Goku's face rather than get angry with Minus.
I think mystic trunks probably surpasses mystic gohan.
Not even sure mystic gohan was on the level of ssj2 trunks apparently seems to be. It's time to admit gohan peaked at 12 years old
Would someone mind translating pic related for me?
Also, in future Trunks' timeline, was Mai de-aged and now roughly the same age as Trunks, or is she like 50 years old but just happens to have the body of a 20-year-old like Bulma?
She was de-aged in that timeline too.
Hubris. It was Gohan's hubris that did him in in that fight. He got caught off guard and Super Buu capitalized the fuck outta that, leading to him getting stomped hard, and then absorbed.
With all these Weekly shonen jump series ending, I hope Shueisha adds this manga to the magazine
I miss past vegeta. he was like a villainous good guy. I also miss past videl, she at least had more personality than really nice girl. I miss non-full retard goku that didn't go around punching everything and especially dubbed goku's voice.
Trunks only trained with the heavy Z Sword (up to the point where he could easily swing it in combat even in base, without showing any problems with its weight). He didn't actually get the Kai power up.
lets settle this
Like I said, Animelabs.
Couldn't translate the first panel, but here is the rest.
Trunks: Oolong-sama! Transform into Mai in a bunny outfit! Please!
Oolong: All right. *transforms*
How about it?
Trunks: You're the best! I'm gonna take some pictures!
Oolong: Pictures! Here, take a pic of her tits!
Trunks: Don't act like a slut, you bastard pig!
It doesn't but you'd be stupid for thinking that power boost from fusing wouldn't be immense.
If we take Goku as the base. He went from being barely on par with Majin Buu, maybe even weaker. To literally being able to toy with Super Buu+Mystic Gohan
Yet we have people making baseless claims like this
>stomp a mudhole in Black?
We have no way of knowing if Goku and Vegeta fusing could beat Black and Zamasu especially since the latter is immortal. Also Black and Zamasu have potaras too so fusion is a option for them as well.
>Anyone who Goku or Vegeta remotely stands against
Well I guess that rules out Black and potentially Zamasu too.
last thread people were talking about where trunks power level would wind up had he cracked it and unleashed elder kai
Trunks had surpassed gohan in every way barring the mystic power up.
All without teachers or competent sparring partners or gravity chambers or luxury of dragon balls
>Trunks had surpassed gohan in every way barring the mystic power up.
No, not really. He only beat Dabura because Kaioshin was holding him down.
trunks was handicapped trying to protect them and fight at the same time
meanwhile both vegeta and goku were stronger than he were and could joke about how weak he was so gohan didnt have the same stress Trunks has in that fight
In Trunks universe death is a finality.
Surpassing a 9 year old after all this time always gets brought up. Just how fucking strong was Gohan back then that even after 7 years people still mention it
Gowasu its Black, think about it:
>Zamasu told everyone Black its an ally, not a subordinate
>Gowasu being a Kaio, could explain why he has a similar Ki like Zamasu
>Gowasu being Black explains why he is missing in the future
>Zamasu could control Gowasu through some shit in the Tea, so he wouldn't suspect
>The old Kaio from u7 managed to resuscitated Goku, Gowasu could do the same, at least to transfer his soul into Goku's body
>Gowasu is interested also in Goku, he literally couldn't apart his eyes from him on Kamitube
The manga leak suggest that Black already killed all of the Kaios, (Beerus being killed in the process) But Zamasu and Black are messing on a different Universe so why the God of Destruction of U10 would give a shit about other Universe
>trunks was handicapped trying to protect them and fight at the same time
Nah, Trunks didn't protect shit.
>meanwhile both vegeta and goku were stronger than he were and could joke about how weak he was so gohan
Still did better than Trunks.
>Gohan "fans" continue to be outraged at how he lives happily with his beautiful wife and child, in a big house, pursuing his dream job.
New Dragon Ball movie when?
Fuck off Herms, nobody is bitching about Gohan. We're just discussing his power
Not for a good long while. Toei has their own series to throw new ideas into, there's no need for movies at all now since the story isn't following something already established.
Roshi's such a bad mother fucker. They need to include him in more fighting games. Especially since he just fought more recently than Yamcha or a lot of other characters who are still grandfathered in.
>GT Pan = DBZ Videl
And that's why this exists.
We're not a fan of him as a person; we're a fan of him as a character. The problem was that they ruined his character by making him happy.
Vegeta's really an inverse example because he was so loathsome at the beginning, but once he settled down he began to mature and develop as a character. Gohan just regressed back to being the nerdy douche he was at the start.
I was about to complain that the staff should have broken after that. But then it did break. That's some pretty sick attention to detail.
Gohan needs a purpose. As far as Gohan is concerned, there's nothing wrong with how the RoF arc played out, with him wanting to be strong enough to protect his family. It's just keeping him out of the tournament and Black arcs makes everything RoF did with him a complete waste of time.
If he's gonna be a scholar and nothing else, make him study something relevant to the plot. If that's not going to happen, then he should hit the time chamber and catch up. There needs to be a reason to care he exists, and his normal life doesn't give one.
I'm pretty upset by the lack of Piccolo
what do you imagine he can do this arc?
like for example fight Zamasu becasue they're both green
guys what if piccolo taught goku the splitting technique as a last resort to get revived despite dying of a natural cause?
obviously super retarded good goku must have offered himself to take the place of the original goku so Black could return to the realm of the living
Zamasu, after learning everything about Goku, traveled into the past and prevented Goku from hitting his head.
Then he trained with him and turned the bloodlusted saiyan prodigy into a GoD.
Piccolo was okay in the tournament, first real super arc, but it's just about trunks and his friends, goku, black and the gods right now so no room for anyone else.
there's even no reason for vegeta to be fighting, he's just there to make black look strong.
>this could actually work
My dad works for Toei animation and is best friends with Akira Toriyama and he has confirmed how the Black arc will end.
>Goku learns that for some convoluted reason Black will stop existing if he kills Zamasu
>He needs to go Kaioken x20 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with a max power kamehameha, but Zamasu is too fast to hit him
>Vegeta agrees to keep him Zamasu occupied, but jobs
>Goku charges up his final attack anyway
>Zamasu smugs grinly, commenting that Goku must be getting desperate
>"ZAMASU! Where is my tea?"
>Instinctively Zamasu looks behind him where his old master is waiting for his tea
>This gives Goku a small window of opportunity to hit Zamasu and wipe him out
Screencap this post.
He and Goten still haven't grown a single inch since the Buu Saga. Its been 6 years anon, and they're both teenagers now.
Besides, there is no reason for Kid Trunks not to look like HoT Trunks, genetics still work the same.
who could've thought that one girl would be taking in loads from a half saiyan stud after so many years
Let me guess, the reason his hair is purple is because he lived in a peaceful timeline and the reason Future Trunks has blue hair is because he lived during a time of war?
Honestly its easier to just assume as Trunks gets older his hair will turn more blue. I mean he's like 34 by the time Super takes place. Doesn't make much sense, but best I can come up with.
I would theorize that saiyan genes makes them get growth spurts when in dire situations.
Future Trunks had to live with the androids, and Gohan had to fight against the saiyans, Frieza and Cell.
Goku spent most of the time dicking around, and is after fighting Piccolo and training with Kami until Piccolo junior appears that he gets his.
How come the time ring pulled Black out of the present? When both the manga and anime already established that with a time ring you can freely jump through time and through different parralel worlds. Is it because Black didn't have both earrings on?
So that is how Trunks ends up SSJ2. Considering how much his power has grown to be FP SSJ2 and near SSJ3 levels, I'd imagine Black gave him a lot of Zenkai Boosts.
Whats curious though is that the Old Kai didn't release despite the sword being broken, I'll accept that due to the petrification, and the fact that Dr. Briefs doesn't remember Future Trunks. I know they met during the Cell Saga at least when he was working on Android 16.
Another curious thing is that Black does refer to himself as a Saiyan or at least Saiyan like, maybe a hint to who he really is in the anime? Maybe he really is just Goku, Whis' explanation can't possibly be real, too obvious.
the cucking he got is worth 10 robot apocalypse and 4 dead gohans, poor trunks will get that growth spurt soon
>King Vegeta was tall for having been the King and having to deal with both Frieza and Beerus
>Raditz and Nappa were both tall for having to deal with Vegeta on missions
You'd think Bardock would be tall for having to constantly save Gine then, maybe its because he was already an adult.
I just realized a flaw in the Future Pilaf gang wishing themselves young.
If Piccolo is dead, how do the Dragon Balls still exist? Piccolo doesn't fuse with Kami in that timeline, at least not by that point he hadn't. Which means either Dende somehow lived for some time and made new Dragon Balls, or the Dragon Balls just don't exist period for Pilaf to have made the wish in the first place.
It's her reward for remaining pure for so long.
He's the Son family butler now. His last chance to shine was his fight against Frost, but that didn't really go so well for him even though he was about to win since Frost is a scumbag. Unless he's been doing some hardcore training, future opponents are going to be way out of his league.
I agree. Her current hairstyle is ugly as fuck.
there's always this style if they wanted a mature chichi but they feel compelled to make her butt ugly show off the massive forehead
>11 years old instead of 9/10
Isn't he exactly as tall as Krillin during the Cell Games?
Also, since when was Goku's age revamped? It's entirely possible that his birth year is the same, it's just that when he left the planet it was three years later.
You mean how her hair could be any color between superior lavender to blue-green, to blue, to red in the early Saiyan saga thanks to improper coloring in the manga.
Seriously though, change her hair back to lavender.
Man, the Pilaf Gang were a bunch of unknowing assholes. I mean, they were dicks since the Pilaf saga, but still.
>one of the hottest Chichis in existence
>ruins it by absolutely crushing one of my top three human characters
I've seen faggots defend that because Krillin is short she still looks like a baby. For fucks sake it's not like Krillin is a Pygmy or anything like that.
Even if it was the height, the baby noises are disturbing for a 9 year old to make.
>Man, the Pilaf Gang were a bunch of unknowing assholes. I mean, they were dicks since the Pilaf saga, but still.
It's not like they knew about the androids. They were going to rightfully ask for their wish, Bulma and Gohan were trying to hijack it.
Not wanting permanently fuse your wife and daughter into perfect being.
Gohan was 11 when he came out of the time chamber. Though I never understood why they called him Teen Gohan in the games.
As for Goku's Age, his original year of birth was 737, retconned in Minus to be 734, and his age at the beginning of Dragon Ball to be 14 instead of 12.
Though I imagine the latter was Toriyama just completely forgetting and basing Goku's age on what he said, not what it actually was since Goku didn't know actual math. Though it raises the question that if he actually was 14 and Toriyama just retconned it, then Goku actually was right about his age and everyone else just told him he was wrong, which means he remembers at least somewhat of his Saiyan toddlerism.
When was first appearance Goku ever 12? It was always 14.
It was established latter that he's actually 12 but didn't know how to count properly.
Damn, I forgot all about that.
i had weird dream about dragon ball plot:
what if goku and zamasu are bffs and goku agreed to destroy earth in future just to help future Trunks to become super sayan god and prove to zamasu that every mortal can go beyond his form so future trunks can discover everything, transform, defeat Goku, stop him from going into the future so Goku doesn't kill anyone and all death and destruction is just a prank on Trunks?
That doesn't make sense, he was 4 when he first appeared, and if you add up the years until the Cell Games, he would only be 9 years old. If you include the RoSaT, he's 10.
Also, it would be weird for him to forget that detail about Goku's age, as he did finally reread his manga after all these years.
I always wondered how that witch got into the Kai world.
feel kinda sorry for him. Hope he gets his moment later
Case in point
I always forget that she's Roshi's sister. I guess ridiculously long lifespans must run in the family.
The time ring is a back and forth thing.
We know black used the ring to go to trunks time, so he'd have to go back to his own first.
He slipstreamed trunks' time traveling, which subsides and the time ring puts black back where he's supposed to be.
No kaioshins are dead yet, and black killed u7 kaioshin last, which suggests the real black is from the current timeline but didn't know about trunks.
Yeah, he was given immortality by his pet Phoenix who he inadvertently killed by feeding him bad food or something. Though Roshi's immortality only stops him from dying of old age. He can still get killed by any other means.
Minus does indeed change when goku arrived, as he arrives while jaco is on earth, and jaco arrives only 10 years before dragon ball starts. This suggests goku was 12, but almost 13 when he gave his age at the tournament.
Not knowing his own birthday would also lead to his given age being a few months off.
>can't die of old age
>molests the wives of some of the strongest fighters in the universe with no major consequences
>lives on his own island in a pink house and does whatever the fuck he wants
>is still one of the strongest humans on Earth
Is Roshi the most successful character in DB?
Has a huge business and legacy based around other people fighting, has a daughter and granddaughter that are stronger than him at his peak, despite easily being in the top 10 strongest pure humans in the world (sitting at 10 most likely), has a fucking city named after him, and his best friend is fucking magic.
Super getting a new ending starting October and new theme "Chahan Music" by Arukara
I'm surprised they still live with him. It's not like he's going to die of old age ever so they can get the house to themselves. Krillin might not mind living with his master, but I'm sure 18 minds living with an immortal pervert. Especially with a daughter.
Isn't Goku supposed to be dead because of a disease on the future Trunks timeline? Unless present Zamazu traveled there with time rings, the whole things wouldn't make any sense.
Post your best Kamehameha, /a/!
> Potara once in your lifetime
He simply meant that you cannot un-fuse
But now that DBS introduced the idea that you CAN un-fuse (with the Dragon Balls), Vegetto is still within the realm of possibility
Whatever you do, skip the movie re-tellings.
If you want to start DBS, I'd recommend:
> Yo! Son Goku Returns! OVA
> DBS Episodes 1 + 2
> BoG (Movie)
> DBS Episodes 15 - 18
> RoF (Movie)
> DBS Episodes 28+
OR you can just start from Episode 28
You made one mistake.
Instead of "Pictures! Here, take a pic of her tits!" is close. But it's more like "Picture! How about if I show you a puff-puff?"
You probably didn't know what a puff-puff is, but it's basically a Toriyama running gag in what he works on such as Dragon Quest, DB, etc.
Arc is already confirmed to last until at least episode 61. And even title for that episode doesn't look like final one. I think that is safe to say, that arc will go even beyond October.
Anyone else here read the manga before watching DB/Z?
More or less. Before these threads I didn't know the anime was so much more popular. They're different in some significant ways, so it's weird reading people having a different sense of what Dragon Ball is. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
No. I'm an American that got to watch Toonami after school. But I definitely enjoyed reading the manga at libraries more because I could take in the illustrations, which helped because I wanted to learn how to draw.
It's been like 15 years or so, right? Which means that in all of those 15 years, Trunks and Bulma never thought of travelling to Namek to get the Dragon Balls there. It'd make sense while 17 and 18 were around since they were constantly under fire, but there were periods of peace between then and Babidi. Surely enough time to get to Namek and back. I wonder if they'll ever "explain" that.
It'd be hilarious to see everyone come back totally clueless, but I think the ability to watch from the afterlife can make short work of the confusion. No fun.
Hopefully vegeta kills black
I hope Trunks achieves SSB, becomes stronger than both Vegeta and Goku like he said he would earlier in the arc and kills Black. Gets mai pussy and remains the protector of earth in his timeline.
Essentially; what Gohan should've become.
>what Gohan should've become.
Nope. I hope Mai dies and King of All kills Black.
This. I have little hope that they'll let him defeat Black though.
>tfw you will never see Piccolo revive Demon King Piccolo, fuse & then go to Future Trunks' timeline, make Dragon Balls, & revive & fuse with Future Piccolo, Future Kami & Future Demon King Piccolo
That and the Champa arc would be pretty cool.
He might be happy, until a much stronger enemy appears and kills his family because he was lacking in training and his father wasn't around.
Gohan is literally irresponsible with his power. Uncle Ben put it best, with great power, comes great responsibility.
As opposed to his dad, who:
>feeds bad guys senzu beans for a fair fight
>lets fully-evil Vegeta go heal and train because he wants to fight him
>lets gero build genocide bots because, fuck it, it'll be a laugh
>doesn't bother to ice Majin Buu because them durn kids'll never learn otherwise
No shit he's irresponsible with his power, it runs in the family.
Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, the rest of the Z fighters etc. Besides Freeza was the strongest mortal in the universe, from Gohan's prospective the chances of "a much stronger enemy" coming about should be quite low.
Why do all Gohan "fans" hide behind this Superman/Spiderman crap when all they care about is watching Gohan punch someone and being the strongest so they can self insert?
I wish we got a 17 cameo in Super, since he's alive with his own family. He would have been helpful during Frieza's invasion since he can't run out of energy. Does 18 even know he's alive and well?
>tfw you're so perfect, when you kill yourself, Gohanfag's parents die instead
At reast Piccoro gotta powah! Gohan wirr not even fightu!
>feeds bad guys senzu beans for a fair fight
Didn't mean shit, Gohan still won like Goku said he would. Besides Cell probably would have gone sore loser kamikaze sooner if he lost at a disadvantage.
>lets fully-evil Vegeta go heal and train because he wants to fight him
Fair enough, but he made sure he was stronger than Vegeta for next time. Great ape Vegeta=Ginyu in terms of power and Goku was able to handle him without Kaioken.
>lets gero build genocide bots because, fuck it, it'll be a laugh
Went against his principles besides everyone trained for the androids. >>147495494
>doesn't bother to ice Majin Buu because them durn kids'll never learn otherwise
Making sure the Planet would be safe without him. If he wasn't there (through a one time only coincidence) the Earth would have been fucked, he wanted to change that.
Gotenks' interactions with Piccolo are the greatest.
>The arena for the U6 vs U7 tournament looks so much better in the manga
The Egyptian motif matches Beerus and Champa too.
Buu saga rules.
this is one reason the buu saga was so shit. toriyama just could no longer take anything seriously and it became a big joke. as shit as super is, at least it doesn't have that.
>Muh serious deebeezee is about FIGHTS AND BLOOOOD
>comparing Akira's gag phase to his other arc phases
being silly every now and then != being mostly unable to take itself seriously. dragon ball was its own style different from z+. z, and even dragon ball, was able to take itself seriously when needed. anything that cannot take itself seriously is irrevocably garbage like the buu saga.
>even dragon ball, was able to take itself seriously when needed.
Namek exploded, so it's probably dead.
That's the point of Akira Toriyama. Get with the program or fuck off.
It doesn't appear with the other Namekians on Earth so it probably didn't count as a person to Porunga.
Son Goku disappears
Realizing his death is imminent, Goku, who wanted to settle their rivalry, left the Earth with Vegeta. Years later, a supernova explosion was detected; perhaps caused by Son Goku and Vegeta’s battle.
[Ref: From the DBO timeline.]
Goku vs Vegeta in DBS better be fucking GOAT, Goku vs Majin Vegeta had amazing set up but was criminally short in the manga.
I want to see this version of Goku fighting.
nah, and it wasn't even funny either like >>147498978 >>147498939 just pure unadulterated shit
>What the fuck?! Who's the asshole that just ripped a smelly one?!
I'd expect buu farts to smell like bubblegum though
Looks decent, you'll probably find a lot of jobs with it.
Trunks's hair is always blue, but the anime for what ever reason choice purple.
To be fair, his hair color (and Bulma's) is inconsistent in the manga, so it can be either lavender or blue. The only rule about Trunks' hair is that it needs to have the same color as Bulma's.
that coloring doesn't feel like akira's usual color work...perhaps an edior what colored it and with with the anime design?
>mfw I'm a Piccolofag
Because it's true. Gohan himself said it that he needs to be strong to protect those he loves. So much for that shit.
I'm fine with Gohan not fighting actually, but don't tease us, Super.
Its from the new full color version of the manga, I think. But still, here's an artwork of Trunks with lavender hair.
>Gohan impregnates that
I can imagine the family tree looking like pic related
Yes. This way, Freezer wont go invade it.
However, it contrasts with the whole "Earth what a beautiful planet I could sell it" we hear everytime an alien gets there. It's just bad writing. Fuck Minus.
I don't think you understand. If Vegeta hadn't saved them that is what would have happened.
>implying anyone who Goku can reasonably fight can stand a chance against Vegito
>The two of them would have gotten killed within a single blow.
Obviously Goku and the others aren't going to get killed or else Black and Zamasu win. Goku,Vegeta and Trunks did no damage to Black where as they were getting rekted easy.
Stop with this Vegito wanking.
>no one will ever surpass Gohan
this isn't fair, i understand he is supposed to be the strongest but why cant piccolo or the humans be relevant again
even ssj3 goku is nowhere near as strong as gohan.
It's not wanking, Fusion is just that strong. There wouldn't even be a fight against Vegetto. Shit just multiplies your powerlevel by hundreds, thousands, or more. And we saw earlier in DBZ that even a slight powerlevel difference meant a stomp.
>anime Bulma-Bra-Trunks hair color
>anime Kaio Shin oufit color
>did no damage
Show me then.
>There wouldn't even be a fight against Vegetto.
Except they would >>147467229
Also didn't Black get stronger from fighting Vegeta here?
No, I mean, Goku/Vegeta or Goku/Trunks against Vegetto wouldn't be a fight. It'd be over in a second. You can't tell me Black or Zamasu are 10 000 times stronger than Goku blue and even if you did Vegetto could still probably handle his own.
I don't think you appreciate the magnitude of difference there is between normals and fusions.
Are you new to Dragon Ball? That didn't do shit.
we've seen bulma's cleavage but will we ever see mai's pits?
>Black cock suckers think Black & Zamasu can beat Vegito
Turles can beat Zeno.
>And I'm saying your wrong.
Please tell me how I'm wrong. Vegetto is at the very, very least 100x Goku SSJ3 level, going by very simple maths.
Goten + Trunks (ok SSJ1s) became SSJ3 level. That's a huge power gap there. They would get instantly killed by Gotenks.
Remember Vegeta vs Kiwi? Yeah, 24 000 vs 18 000. Vegeta could blow up Kiwi just by pointing at him.
How many fruits would he have to eat to get near SSJ levels of power? Was there a multiplier ever put forth for the fruits from the Tree of Might?
it wasn't even a sneak attack since trunks dropped in and blocked with his sword for a good few seconds before they started going atatata and THEN the kick happened. which is slightly better than goku's first bout with beerus, even if it didn't hurt him.
Zamasu was able to hold down SSB Goku and Trunks with relative ease and has immortality.
Black one shotted Vegeta and two shotted Goku, while taking no damage and gets stronger everything time he fights, feels pain or learns more about Goku.
Also Black and Zamasu have potaras too so fusion is a option for them as well.
Just stop. You're cherrypicking to make it look like there's no fight at all, which would be the case if Goku fought Vegetto. Potara is just that absurdly strong and there's no justification to why nobody does it.
>it wasn't even a sneak attack
Yeah it was and regardless it did no damage.
>literally did more than many of Goku's hits