Gantz :O

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>>147085315
Reika is saved by “teammate” Kurono (Yuki Kaji), who then determines to face the monster alone. “You don’t have to do it!” she wails. “Who else is there?” Kurono replies, and he’s right: There is no one around of the right sex and age bracket to make a viable hero. He kills it, but is also killed. Reika is sad, but her hair is great, and her breasts magnificent.


They are reluctant players in a game run by a large black orb that issues instructions and keeps score. Somehow, when you die (Reika was in a car accident, her ineffectual older teammate Suzuki, voiced by Shuichi Ikeda, had a stroke), you materialize, healed, in a featureless office where you meet your team, get your catsuit and get sent out against the clock to defeat a bunch of enemies. Fail and the whole team buys it. Succeed, and you accrue points which can be used to escape the game, upgrade your weaponry or resurrect a dead teammate (oops, there go the stakes!). But the dead Kurono was their leader, so it’s a good thing that in a Tokyo subway station, similarly strapping young male Kato (Daisuke Ono) gets viciously stabbed to death, and can be co-opted onto their team.

How the resurrections work, what happens to the dead bodies, how the players are chosen, what they do in between games, and who exactly they’re playing for remain deeply unfascinating mysteries. More fundamentally, the battles take place in real Japan and are reported on by the real news as unprecedented alien attacks. But the game has been going on a long time, so who or what did they fight before? And why have the players themselves, who are occasionally caught on camera, not been recognized and the game exposed? They can’t all have been so unlucky as to have had their sole close relative turn away from the television at the exact moment they were filmed katana-swording a big ugly beastie, can they? To think about “Gantz: O” at all is to overthink it.

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>>147085468
The team are dispatched to Osaka, where they must face down not only myriad new monsters, including one who seems vanquished only for its eye to morph into a breast (which must be spectacular in 3D) as it takes the form of a giant naked woman made up of the writhing forms of hundreds of other naked headless women, they also face a rival Gantz team. But that does give Kato the chance to fall for Anzu (M.A.O), a romantically forward mother-of-one with a laser lasso weapon and a lovingly rendered thigh gap. While fighting monsters who are declared dead more times than cinema has been in 2016 (an argument for which ‘Gantz: O’ makes a compelling case), only to rise again with additional wings or horns or whatever, Kato still has time for the old boy-meets-girl, girl-dies, boy-wins-arcane-afterlife-game-and-uses-points-to-bring-her-back story.

The preposterous illogic, manufactured dilemmas, subterranean stakes, unearned sentimentality, and unquestioned sexism might be marginally more forgivable if “Gantz: O” looked good. But aside from some inventive creature design, the cheap, dead eyes and sterile plasticity of the CG humans suggests we’re no closer to bridging the uncanny valley than we were 15 years ago when the first all-CG “Final Fantasy” movie came out. No doubt the majority of the intended audience weren’t even born in 2001 and are accustomed to this visual style from their computer screens and console games. But this is supposed to be cinema, and if people are only as good as the art they consume, it’s a matter of some urgency to supply the teenage boys of today — the men of tomorrow — with something better than “Gantz: O,” a film in which its deemed OK, perhaps even witty, to have one of your two sole female characters referred to in the closing moments not by her name, but by her nickname: “Jugs.”

>>147085315
What's your point?

>>147085315
The title makes me chuckle when I see it as an emoticon

Gantz
:O

>>147085315
Did you write all this shit? Why?

>he actually photoshopped the op image together and wrote all this
Please seek help, i think you're suffering from the entire autism spectrum

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OP is quoting this

>http://variety.com/2016/film/festivals/gantz-o-review-1201855541/


She's just salty because of this. It's her last line
>it’s a matter of some urgency to supply the teenage boys of today — the men of tomorrow — with something better than “Gantz: O,” a film in which its deemed OK, perhaps even witty, to have one of your two sole female characters referred to in the closing moments not by her name, but by her nickname: “Jugs.”

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>>147085524
Op, I say this as a hikkineet that does absolutely nothing but watch anime, jerk off, play video games, eat, and sleep: GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU WASTE OF OXYGEN

>>147085961
I edited it somewhat because of letter limits. But I didn't write it.
Someone who saw it at the Venice Film festival did.

>>147086129
>OP is quoting this

Why is it so hard for some people to wrap their heads around the idea of a citation?

Miles says:
September 10, 2016 at 3:51 pm
>This review is stupid. You clearly aren’t a fan and bashed every aspect of gantz which people love. Btw the CGI is beautiful and I’m not really sure how you can’t appreciate it. Finally it did really well and the audience enjoyed it yet you’re here making it out like it flopped.

>>147086129
>regressively gendered vision
Was a huge red flag, right in the first paragraph
No surprise here

These movie adaptations are always awful. and Gantz was awful to begin with. This review should not be surprising to anyone.

so its just a review saying "japan is my soggy kneestic"?

>>147085315
Jesus christ
You're fuckin retarded

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>>147085524
>including one who seems vanquished only for its eye to morph into a breast (which must be spectacular in 3D) as it takes the form of a giant naked woman made up of the writhing forms of hundreds of other naked headless women
I was worried this wouldn't make it.

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KURONO IS YUKI FUCKING KAJI, KATO IS FUCKING DAISUKE ONO

I'M TIRED OF FUJOSHITS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

By the way, Kei jobs to a shitty monster and gets himself killed instead of that glorious fight against all odds in the manga.

>>147085315
>This looks bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-VSzJqE6Q

How?

Honestly it seems she's angered because of sexualization, I mean she opens and finishes the review with that.

>>147085315
Skimming that first paragraph was bad, I almost thought she was complaining how unfaithful it was to the source material at first for a more standard story.

I was this close to having a shred of respect for her, and thought "Wow, finally, someone actually cares about that enough to make it the starting point, where it would be most important for the fans of the show.

Dashed my hopes most excellently, OP.

Whenever a feminist writes an opinion piece on any given topic, I think the sanest and safest thing to do is to simply ignore her/him. I'm not even a big fan of gantz, but this review is simply biased and unhelpful.

>>147085315
I like the fact that women get mad at this sort of things. Not because I am a sjw, but because I fucking hate how tacky this childish fanservice makes every anime/manga/ln etc.
The medium dropping it altogether is only for the better.

>More fundamentally, the battles take place in real Japan and are reported on by the real news as unprecedented alien attacks. But the game has been going on a long time, so who or what did they fight before? And why have the players themselves, who are occasionally caught on camera, not been recognized and the game exposed? They can’t all have been so unlucky as to have had their sole close relative turn away from the television at the exact moment they were filmed katana-swording a big ugly beastie, can they? To think about “Gantz: O” at all is to overthink it.

I'm guessing the movie doesn't explain nobody can see the monsters or the participants fighting? Anyways, it was obvious that the movie adaptations will be always shit.

>>147086696
>Movie adapting the arc NUMBER 9 of Gantz should explain everything about Gantz

You might want to kill yourself, and everyone that saw the movie liked it. You're reading what a retarded SJW writes as a review and taking it as a fact.

>>147086181
That commentator is a gigantic faggot.

>"You can't like it because a bunch of other people liked it and you don't even like the source material. Your review is unfair, WAAAAAHHHHH."

>>147086804
>You can't like it because a bunch of other people liked it and you don't even like the source material. Your review is unfair, WAAAAAHHHHH

She's making it out to be as if the movie failed, when people actually liked it.

And he never cried about it, he said the review is stupid because she doesn't know anything about Gantz and went to see a movie adapting a Gantz arc.

Nice try Jessica

>>147086757

Woah there, I didn't say the movie should explain that. I was asking if may be the movie didn't explain that and that's what baffled her. The movie might have changed and suddenly everything was visible to everybody for all I know.

She's right on the fanservice though, this kind of fanservice is utterly demeaning to any work.
SJW or not, her aesthetic judgement seems superior to /a/'s.

>>147086129
Anime in Japan needs more reviewers like westerners. Not in their tastes, but in their intolerance for "supplements to the source material." This mentality that you have to read the book, watch the movie, read the manga, etc is horrific. Pick one and each should tell you a complete story.

>>147086953
This also. I swear japanese have the sittiest consumer ethics. Probably because of how retarded they are about "piracy".

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>>147086946
>She's right on the fanservice though, this kind of fanservice is utterly demeaning to any work.

>>147086804
Your reasoning isn't any better.The commentator said that the majority of the audience enjoyed it, whereas Jessica Sarkeesian here seems to be peddling the notion that the rest of the attendance hated it as much as she did. Since what we have here are two contradicting subjective statements, the parsimonious thing to do is to wait and see the film for yourself, or alternatively see what the critc consensus about it is.

Meh, I´m still going to watch it and probably enjoy it. It´s like with CLANGserk: even though it´s shitty, you still somewhat enjoy it.

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>>147087241
>Sarkeesian
>>>/v/
>>>/pol/
>>>/reddit/

Did'nt read the rest of your post though.

>>147086953
You can't be serious, ''westerner'' studios have brought about the age of the shared universe movies, which both the critics and the audience eat up like the dumb fat cows they are.

>>147087298
This is like half the reason why anime is surviving now: the tolerance of consumers for half assed productions.

>>147086696
>Claims he's not sjw
>Literally closet sjw

>>147087404
No capeshit movie has ever required me to read the comics to understand it. Game of Thrones is now heading towards a TV original ending rather than following the books. Anime and the west have switched places.

>>147087237
>I like my anime jersey shore tier tacky and nobody is going to change that!

>>147086406
This.

When the trailers first dropped I heard people saying that it had been cut or that it wouldn't be in there.

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>>147085315
>>147085468
>>147085524
>>147086129
>I want anime to not be anime
So much for cultural diversity and enrichment, eh?

>>147086953
By this logic every Pokemon movie must spend 30/90 minutes to explain the game mechanics and what Pokemon is.

See that Pikachu short special? It's only 15 minutes but we're gonna use up 12 of it to explain to you mother fucker, who Pikachu is.

You are literally a nigger in the head.

>>147086953
Nah, fuck that, anime and manga are part and parcel and I have no issue finishing the story in a different form.

>>147087544
We know you're completely exaggerating the situation to be annoying. Please act like a reasonable human and not an autistic sperg in the future.

>>147087382
>Muh boogieman
The problem with ideologues of any kind is that they filter reality through the lenses of their bias, so who is to say that she isn't exaggerating and hated the movie on the basis of her particular petpeeves?

>>147087627
>I have no issue finishing the story in a different form.
Disgusting

>>147087693
After a certain age, no one exists who doesn't have a filter.

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>>147087544
Fucking this.

Too many western superhero films, especially reboots, will do shit like this because they're afraid their audience won't understand it. Nobody of the artifically (or truly) deep and metaphoric films go "Oh no what if the audience doesn't get it?" You already have their fucking money, you can't get a refund for a ticket because "You didn't understand it."

Shit like that reeks of executive meddling. As an example have an actual memo of some retarded executive meddling that thankfully got laughed off and thrown away,

>>147087693
Like that's going to change the fact that jiggly gigantic breasts are obviously in the movie and they destroy any form of serious tone the movie might have intended.

>>147085468
>Reika is sad, but her hair is great, and her breasts magnificent.
Fuck everybody, I'm glad to be able to see Reika in a movie. She wasn't in the live action (they used someone similar but didn't name her Reika). But, I am surprised at the complains about fanservice. Gantz has tons of killing, big tits, asses in lycra and sex. I would think one simple search online would show this.

>>147087470
So you went into say, The Avengers without seeing any other of the marvel movies?, Can you say you knew who all of the characters were or what their motivations are with only the context that one single movie offers?. I'm sorry anon, but this bussiness model is here to stay in the west.

>>147087782
You don't get what is being complained about, namely that the film does not have a proper beginning and end but instead assumes the viewer has read and will continue to read the manga. Instead the movie should summarize broad swaths of events in a stand alone or trilogy format that one can understand from beginning to end with no contact with the manga.

>>147087815
>I would think one simple search online would show this.

She legit says

>
“But that’s what it’s like in the source material!” is a frequently used defense of subpar film adaptations, but here’s hoping Keiichi Sato and Yasushi Kawamura’s computer-generated “Gantz: O” represents a departure from the original “Gantz” comic (written by Hiroya Oku, adapted for screen by Tsutomu Kuroiwa). Otherwise it suggests strongly that all copies of the hugely popular manga should be shot into the sun.

>>147087886
>should
But why? What's wrong with a supplementary?

>>147087815
One thing is having sex what could add to the tone of the movie.
Other thing is, as I said, Jersey Shore tier depiction of sexuality which is childish and trashy.
Had the manga not had such ridiculous fanservice it would have been much better.

>>147087886
How can you say the film doesn't have a proper beginning when you haven't even seen the film, or potentially the first scene.

You know it's focused on the Tokyo Team in Osaka, but you don't know if it's entirely without the exposition and dialogue to explain the setting and key aspects of Gantz.

>>147087884
>So you went into say, The Avengers without seeing any other of the marvel movies?
No, but I went in without seeing the Hulk or Iron man ones because I hate that snarky fuck who plays Iron Man and never was interested in the Hulk.

>Can you say you knew who all of the characters were or what their motivations are with only the context that one single movie offers?

Yes because it's a brain dead comic book movie and everyone knows who the Hulk or Captain Murika or Iron Man is

>>147087938
The fanservice would have been the only good part of Gantz if Oku could draw attractive women.

>>147087963
>How can you say the film doesn't have a proper beginning when you haven't even seen the film, or potentially the first scene.
I'm not necessarily talking about this particular film, but rather the 'style' of film making/TV production Japan has adopted with movies and anime where you have to have seen X to see Y or have to go read the manga because the anime ended with no continuation.

>>147086129

>Jessica

And there goes any legitimacy or value the article had.

>>147087929
You go from watching a 40 million dollar LN adaption TV series with VA work, music, animation, coloring to a fucking picture book. It's a drop off in production values that is intolerable.

>>147088115
So your issue is that you just don't like manga, I see.

>>147087938
I am a different anon, so I didn't read your Jersey Shore analogy. Jersey Shore is a reality tv show based off of orange people, so I don't see how that relates to a fictional story in Japan at all.

Honestly, I don't understand why you read Gantz at all. I think it had a lot of story problems (like Tae) that removing fanservice wasn't going to fix, especially at the end, but reading it, I understood that there would be a lot of jiggling and killing.

>>147088151
Whoops, LNs, I guess. And I don't read LNs, either, but that's also just a matter of me not liking LNs, not a matter of supplements being automatically bad.

>>147087813
Did we read the same gantz manga?, of course there's tons of gratuitious fan service and unnecessary gore, the manga is freaking stupid but it was a ton of fun (at least to a certain point). If you think the manga went for a serious tone instead of say, something like evil dead 2 then you missed the point as much as the critic in her article.

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>>147088115
>Picture book

>>147088162
>Jersey Shore is a reality tv show based off of orange people
Not him but people who watch Jersey Shore are the same type of people who would read Gantz

>>147088180
So let's say I like the idea of a work that is a LN adaption, and then I watch the anime because I like said idea. Then say the anime ends with "LOL GO BUY LN 4 REST"

That means I get literally no ending.

>>147088202
I read it when I was like 17 but I remember it having a pretty cool anti-hero thing going on and what not which I thought the manga explored in a pretty serious fashion and I liked. Didn't finish it though.

>>147088033
I mean if you're complaining about that style of TV production then you have to recognize that the animation industry, overall, is constrained by budgets, manpower, and schedules and for something to be adapted in its entirety is a rarity and really many anime adaptations are only serviceable as a promotion of popular manga series. The manga sales get a big boost, the merch gets a big boost, and the anime series piggybacks some of that popularity onto its BRD/DVD sales.

It's a method of risk aversion and it's meant to improve the financial health of multiple parties and industries that are intertwined. Western superhero films, particularly Marvel, are produced in a similar way.

These sort of things (and especially Gantz: O) are expensive to produce and you can't commit to a series if you don't know that the first film will be successful. It's not a stretch so say they chose the Osaka mission because of the particular characters or believing that it would be the most entertaining and well-received portion of Gantz to adapt for Japanese audiences.

>>147088277
But like I said, that's only an issue because you don't like the source medium. If you like the source medium, it all works out. I don't see any inherent issue with making adaptations meant for fans or potential fans of the original, just don't fucking watch them if you know you aren't in either of those categories (unless you're okay with no ending, I guess).

>>147088318
>I read it when I was 17
Not him, but that probably explains why you thought Gantz's "serious explorations" were anything worth caring about.

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>>147088400
Nah, you're probably one of those retards who only watch anime ironically and don't like shows serious in tone like eva or lain.

>>147088368
>>147088357
That's a shit method of adaption since it requires you to like the original medium or at least tolerate its low production values to get the rest of the story. The old method of anime original endings was vastly superior since anime only fags can just take that and eat it and manga or LN only fags can just keep reading their manga or LN even if they don't like the anime's ending.

Marvel movies are not handled the same way--they don't try to adapt every single thing that has happened in the comics (which would be vastly retarded). A villain appears, the heroes fuck him up and it's over. That's a conclusion. You might get some stupid teaser for a future movie in the credits but you can ignore that since it's tiny.

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>>147088400
calm down anons it's just animes

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>>147087968
See anon?, you DID pay to see other marvel movies prior to it, which is what the studios are banking on, so what exactly is the difference?. Also no, not everyone knows who the Hulk or CA are in china (the second biggest movie market in the world) beyond maybe what they look like if even that. Basically your complain about Japanese media vs western is a lot of the pot callin the kettle black.

>>147086129
While i find that last comment to be absolute trash, i think Oku wasn't really good at writing female characters. The main girls such as Reika, Anzu and Kishimoto, all of them served as love interests of the main characters, Reika being so obsessive about Kurono that he made a clone of him, and then the idiot kills himself in front of god aliens that can bring people back from the death in matter of seconds.

>>147088588
Yeah lets just smoke dope and watch k-on, r-right guys?

>>147087298
Comparing this to Berserk is a fucking sin because the main issue with Berserk is the god-awful visuals(and no Lost Children[/spoiler), look at >>147086598, if you think that looks like shit then you're autistic. Complain about the them being unfaithful to the story but not the visuals.

>>147088485
Not the same anon, but why did you assume that particular criticism of Gantz is extensive to all anime?, that other anon never even implied that.

>>147088485
No, nigger, I read plenty of serious manga. It's just that Gantz is a fucking stupid gorefest that you read for thrills, not for thematics or good plot, because it doesn't have those. All Oku has underneath his blood and tits is a bunch of half-assed character drama in poor imitation of his teacher Yamamoto Naoki.

>>147088564
>That's a shit method of adaption since it requires you to like the original medium or at least tolerate its low production values to get the rest of the story.
I disagree with the logic. It's perfectly fine to the people who like the original medium. It's obviously bad for the people who don't, but they can just not watch it. I mean, I seriously don't get why you seem to expect anyone to care about your specific personal preferences when they decide what media to use for a franchise. You're just annoyed that they make things for a niche that you don't belong to, but that's how shit works, tough luck.

>>147088564
> The old method of anime original endings was vastly superior since anime only fags can just take that and eat it

I mean I guess if you like the taste of shit, I can't recall the last anime original ending that I liked. The only one I thought was even remotely passable in all of the anime series I've seen was Great Teacher Onizuka's.

I mean holy shit did you even see Kumamiko's anime original ending. It was so bad that the manga author and studio staff publicly apologies for it on the net. That alone gives me little faith for the future of anime original endings.

>Marvel movies are not handled the same way--they don't try to adapt every single thing that has happened in the comics

No I was referring how to the risk aversion strategy at the end of my post. Where you have a super hero film which is successful, and you tie it into other super hero films to promote those films success. The same way that the manga or LN series success ties to the anime and merchandising success. It's just a method to make those investments feel more financially sound for the studio that creates the anime series or film, since the anime series or film has hundreds of times the production cost that it needs to justify to producers and distributors.

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>>147087979
You mean he didn't?

>Feminist ''''''''critic''''''''
Opinion dicarded.

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>>147088690
You're a rudeboi and you can't reply to me unless you've watched Now and Then, Here and There and Blue Gender.

>>147088836
Have now and then, here and there in my bl and blue gender I saw the first two episodes and thought it was pretty bad.

>>147088923
Well then go finish it you little baby, stop wasting your time with shitposts I bet your candy ass dropped Texhnolyze by episode 3.

>>147088630
>you DID pay to see other marvel movies prior to it,

>Paying
>To see movies

Are you retarded? I pirated them like every other upstanding citizen. And I only saw Thor 1-2 because I like Thor. And they had like nothing to do with the Avengers movie's plot.

>Also no, not everyone knows who the Hulk or CA are in china (the second biggest movie market in the world) beyond maybe what they look like if even that.

>Implying I live in China or care what Chinese know about comic books

>Basically your complain about Japanese media vs western is a lot of the pot callin the kettle black.

It would be if Marvel movies adapted the comics from issue 1 and then ended after 3 movies and you had to read The Avengers 150-600 to find out what happened.

>>147088732
>It's obviously bad for the people who don't, but they can just not watch it.

So basically the anime industry died around 2008 and you're all LN and mangafags. Is this what you're telling me? And 4 anime come out each season: the 4 that are "Anime originals"?

>>147088758

>I mean I guess if you like the taste of shit

The only reason people constantly complain that an anime is worse than the manga is because they read and fell in love with the manga first so any change is an abomination to them. This is a well known phenomenon. Do you honestly think all manga writers are geniuses and all anime directors are shit?

>No I was referring how to the risk aversion strategy at the end of my post. Where you have a super hero film which is successful, and you tie it into other super hero films to promote those films success. The same way that the manga or LN series success ties to the anime and merchandising success.
Then anime should steal Marvel's storytelling method and adapt the broad generality of the manga with a mostly original plotline which reuses elements of the manga with a conclusive ending.

>>147088983
But bluegender has pretty trite characters from the very begginning.

>>147089034
>So basically the anime industry died around 2008 and you're all LN and mangafags. Is this what you're telling me? And 4 anime come out each season: the 4 that are "Anime originals"?
No, that's your own retarded definition of words. People can enjoy multiple things, you fucking faggot.

>>147088983
Blue Gender literally gets worse after the first two or three episodes, though. That's when it forgets what it wants to be and just falls apart all over the place and makes it clear that Takahashi's name was slapped on for marketing purposes. If he didn't like the start then he's fucking lucky he dropped it when he did.

>>147089152
It isn't the anime industry. It's the LN and manga promotion industry

>>147089034
We are not discussing movie endings vs original source material endings to a story anon , but rather the current trend of having to watch multiple movies/tv shows/comics/whatever in order to expirience the totality of a story, which happens to be where wetern media is at wheeter we like it or not.

>>147089207
Again, you're making up your own definitions of words. And arguing from purpose is dumb as shit, anyway.

>>147089034
>The only reason people constantly complain that an anime is worse than the manga is because they read and fell in love with the manga first so any change is an abomination to them. This is a well known phenomenon. Do you honestly think all manga writers are geniuses and all anime directors are shit?

I've seen enough original anime and read enough unadapted manga to KNOW that anime directors are bad and that most manga writers are better, not necessarily good, but better. They understand their own series better, they understand their own characters better, and they can tie things up in an ending better.

>Then anime should steal Marvel's storytelling method and adapt the broad generality of the manga with a mostly original plotline which reuses elements of the manga with a conclusive ending.

And again this goes back to the constraints of manpower, time tables, and the question of financial viability. There's a pretty clear reason why very successful adaptations get adapted in their entirety, but not every studio has the resources of say J.C. Staff, Production I.G, Ufotable, or even bones or Madhouse. They adapt a wide variety of anime series to cover their bases and try and ensure financial success by the end of the season or the next season. Unlike these superhero films which are partnered with big studios and can afford to joint-adapt a bunch of films within a 2-3 year span.

Also the audience for these superhero films is larger, undeniably so it's more profitable in the first place.

>>147089034
>I don't like unfinished adaptations so they aren't anime
I know you're annoyed and all, but let's not act like a second-grader here.

>>147089279
I don't honestly think it's that anime compared to manga sucks balls, I think it's just the overall quality or budget it gets that ruins it depending on it.

I started reading manga like a madman these passed 2 months, I noticed the anime adaptions are not as timeless as the manga itself for some reason it's an anomaly.

I guess it just feels like 30 20 frames per second or some lack of detail when they move but it does feel different.

Same kind of representations are found in video games as well.

>>147089407
It's because you've probably seen some really high quality animation, so you know the upper limits of how good it can be, but most anime being produced on a tight schedule and budget means it's not hitting that limit.

Meanwhile you've read a lot of manga, and although they're not necessarily the most beautiful drawings you've ever seen the unique stylization makes you less critical of it as a viewer.

>>147089501
yea im starting to see why I used to see comments like, Oh the manga was better.

These details itself can't really be explained but have to be experienced

>>147089236
>We are not discussing movie endings vs original source material endings to a story anon
It got into that if you pay attention.

> but rather the current trend of having to watch multiple movies/tv shows/comics/whatever in order to expirience the totality of a story, which happens to be where wetern media is at wheeter we like it or not.

That is not where any western media I've seen is at. Since when do I have to read the Song of Ice and Fire books to enjoy GoT? Since when do I have to read LotR to enjoy the movies? Since when do I have to read comics to understand Marvel movies or Walking Dead? If anything it's better that I DON'T read the source.

>I've seen enough original anime and read enough unadapted manga to KNOW that anime directors are bad and that most manga writers are better, not necessarily good, but better.
You're just in deep denial

>They understand their own series better, they understand their own characters better, and they can tie things up in an ending better.

The last usually does not follow from the first two. Very rarely will a manga author ever have a transcendental ending which requires deep, inner knowledge of the main character or some other character to feel like true poetry which could not happen any other way. Some mangas are train wrecks which don't feel like the author knows what he wants to do.

>And again this goes back to the constraints of manpower, time tables, and the question of financial viability.
I'm not talking about expanding their budgets to Marvel levels. But rather the method they go by. If anything it's financial suicide to desire to adapt a whole manga scene for scene. Instead you summarize it in a much shorter form.

>>147089339
They're LN/Manga advertisements. That's what they are if they can't stand alone and their purpose is to get you to buy something else. They're ads. We all know it. The industry doesn't care that it's shitting out incomplete material; it just wants you to buy those manga/LNs.

>:O
Fuck off

>>147089279
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>>147085927
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>>147089727
>You're just in deep denial
Name five anime directors that work on any original anime series that are as good as any of the main stream shounen or seinen authors. I already know just about every popular comedy+SoL manga author is miles ahead of any comedy+SoL original anime director.

>The last usually does not follow from the first two.
Again, provide me with an original anime series within the last 5-10 years that you thought expertly handled character development, conclusion, and real depths better than most shounen or seinen authors.

>If anything it's financial suicide to desire to adapt a whole manga scene for scene. Instead you summarize it in a much shorter form.

Because cutting out content is viewed with so much appreciation by their audiences, it has not gone over well in the past, same as anime original endings. Nobody is going to risk DVD/BRD sales by pissing off the people who are already fans of the manga series and buying manga volumes, those are the people willing to spend money on that sort of entertainment and those are the people they're trying to cash in on.

>>147089727
>they're ads
I said nothing about that, though. I just said they were anime. Which they are. Hell, even complete adaptations can be ads, not to mention all the unfinished OVAs that sued to get made. You're using shitty rhetoric instead of having an actual discussion.

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The film seems to be removing alot of the shit from the arc and making it friendly for people who didn't read a lick of the manga plus gore toned down

Besides CG animation seems it'll be shit

>>147089727
>Some mangas are train wrecks which don't feel like the author knows what he wants to do.

Gantz, for example.

>>147090055
>>147089727
>Name five anime directors that work on any original anime series that are as good as any of the main stream shounen or seinen authors.
>as any of the main stream shounen or seinen authors
Not him, but what the fuck? Do you realize how terrible some mainstream shounen and seinen mangaka are? I'd rather let Chiaki Kon make an original than read Fairy Tail.

>>147090190
You say that but they kept the titty monster in and it's definitely the best all-CGI film I've seen from Japan.

>>147090241
Did the guy fuck her like in the manga?

>>147090273
Nobody knows yet, film premieres to the general public in Japan next month.

>>147090074
I'm having actual discussion with other people right now. Your comment apparently only merited shitty rhetoric.

>>147090203
Good example actually.

>>147090055
>Name five anime directors that work on any original anime series that are as good as any of the main stream shounen or seinen authors.
Kunihiko Ikuhara, Hiroyuki Imaishi, Takuya Igarashi, Yutaka Izubuchi, Kazuki Akane

>Again, provide me with an original anime series within the last 5-10 years that you thought expertly handled character development, conclusion, and real depths better than most shounen or seinen authors.

Star Driver

>Because cutting out content is viewed with so much appreciation by their audiences, it has not gone over well in the past, same as anime original endings. Nobody is going to risk DVD/BRD sales by pissing off the people who are already fans of the manga series and buying manga volumes, those are the people willing to spend money on that sort of entertainment and those are the people they're trying to cash in on.

Glad to see that the fanbases are what is ruining the work for everyone else then simply because they can't countenance one jot or tittle from being removed from the manga/LN they love so. And finally the pandering as intensified to such a level that their desires are fulfilled to the exclusion of anyone else enjoying the work.

>>147090549
If you don't like that animated adaptations can't stand on their own two feet without being supported by a vocal fanbase then donate to the kickstarter campaigns that animation studios are putting up to allow themselves some creative freedom.

Wishes and dreams don't pay the electrical bills in offices or put food in the mouths of animators.

>>147089727
I think you misundertand, by their very publication history most comic book series don't have and ending, so whatever adaptation to another medium is made has more actual wiggle room to actually finish a story. But even if you take comic book based movies as a separate medium, you STILL have to see several of them to understand the overarching story. That's why the marvel movies are presented as ''phases''. Also your point about LotR and ASoIaF is moot because am not saying that all western media follows this trend,merely that the trend exists.Also you seem to be suggesting that all Japanese media suffers from the ''complementary material'', which is not the case at all, since when do you have to read the Legend of the galactic heroes novels to undertand the anime?. do you have to play the pokemon games to understand the twenty years running anime? etc.

>>147090549
>Yutaka Izubuchi
>director of originals
I love him as much as the next guy, but he's directed a single original in his entire career, that's kind of cheap.

>>147090549
>And finally the pandering as intensified to such a level that their desires are fulfilled to the exclusion of anyone else enjoying the work.
Again, why are you entitled to works targeting you? There's no law about media having to aim for a broad fanbase - as long as they can sustain themselves financially, they could be making anime targeted precisely at their parents if they wanted.

>>147090549
Different anon, but do you really think that there's a single anime director out there that would give Berserk a proper ending?, do you think an anime adaptation of blade of the inmortal would give it a more satisfying ending?. The truth is that independently of which medium is being adapted to which, the original source material being superior holds true almost invariably, unless the source material was crap to begin with.

>>147090666
They apparently did until the economic crisis turned everyone into a crazed lunatic for cash cash cash.

>>147090668
>by their very publication history most comic book series don't have and ending, so whatever adaptation to another medium is made has more actual wiggle room to actually finish a story.
Most mangas/LNs that get adapted today aren't finished, which is why they don't get an ending in the anime. Where's the wiggle room for an anime original ending then? Gone into the fanbases' pockets for BD money I guess.

>But even if you take comic book based movies as a separate medium, you STILL have to see several of them to understand the overarching story.

Then I guess I have never seen the "overarching" story. Each movie has enough finality from what I saw. it doesn't leave you blueballed like these anime adaptions where it's clear there is on conclusion, the villain isn't even defeated like he is in the Marvel films.

>Also you seem to be suggesting that all Japanese media suffers from the ''complementary material'', which is not the case at all, since when do you have to read the Legend of the galactic heroes novels to undertand the anime?. do you have to play the pokemon games to understand the twenty years running anime? etc.

No I'm not. I'm saying it has become far too widespread, to the point where I have to avoid watching half the season because I know it will never have an anime ending.

>>147090754
It's bad enough that he expected me to come up with 5 directors on the spot in an image board discussion but now they all have to be prolific ones too. Oh great. Especially troubling when there are like 5 anime originals a season if you're lucky.

>>147090818
I don't expect works to target me, which is why I'm not here bitching about SoL existing or something. But I do expect that if they care enough to start a story that they at least try to finish it. I guess that is too much to ask.

>>147091073
>I don't expect works to target me, which is why I'm not here bitching about SoL existing or something.
Just because you aren't complaining about genres doesn't mean you aren't complaining about works not targeting you. Complaining about the exclusion of "anyone else [who isn't a fan of the original] enjoying the work" meets that description no matter how you slice it.

>But I do expect that if they care enough to start a story that they at least try to finish it. I guess that is too much to ask.
It is finished, you just don't like the form it's finished in.

>>147091025
Berserk is gonna have an incredible unsatisfying ending at this rate, more shounenshit powerups

>>147091190
Who does like the form it's finished in? Would the LN fans really rather read the conclusion in a LN rather than watch it with actual acting, staging, music, visuals, etc? Are they insane? Or is it just that they're too afraid one little detail they love so dearly will be left out that they just can't live with themselves?

>>147091269
LN fans actually like reading LNs, so yeah. That's why LNs are so popular and make so much money even prior to any anime adaptation.

>>147091190
I think it's more about the drastic shift from one medium to the next. I can enjoy novels and I can enjoy TV. But watching 12 eps of a TV series and then reading the rest as a novel I wouldn't enjoy.

>>147091269
>Who does like the form it's finished in?
I happen to like manga as a medium just as much or more than anime. Not LNs, but contrary to what you seem to think, there are more manga adaptations than LN adaptations. Check any seasonal chart to confirm.

Stop assuming that just because you like film more than reading or sequential art, that everyone else does too, because it's not fucking true.

>>147091345
Lies. It's really because Japanese people are so fucked in their workplaces that they barely have any free time except reading LNs or manga on the train back home. You can't fool me into thinking they actually would prefer reading a LN to watching a TV series with a good budget

>>147091386
>but contrary to what you seem to think, there are more manga adaptations than LN adaptations. Check any seasonal chart to confirm.
I never said anything about there being more LN adaptions. I'm using LN because that is the medium that should be absolutely and completely blown the fuck out by anime in the mind of anyone reasonable. At least with manga every scene is displayed for you. In LNs you get a couple general pics and that is it.

>>147091354
Speak for yourself then, I've enjoyed reading the prequel series to anime adaptions I've seen and reading the manga versions of anime that I've seen too.

Like >>147091025 said unless the source material was crap I've always enjoyed the source material just as much as the anime adaptation, sometimes more.

Most anime adaptations really don't take advantage of the medium in the first place, their soundtracks, sound effects/direction, and animation are lackluster in one area or another and are disappointing in almost every area when compared to really high quality and high budget adaptations.

>>147091416
>>147091487
Do you people just hate reading, or do you think that the amount of money that goes into something determines how enjoyable it is, or what? This insistence that no one could possibly prefer manga/LNs is fucking bizarre.

>>147091503
>Most anime adaptations really don't take advantage of the medium in the first place, their soundtracks, sound effects/direction, and animation are lackluster in one area or another and are disappointing in almost every area when compared to really high quality and high budget adaptations.
Perhaps this is it. You think your favorite manga or LN deserves more, and then you see its adaption and it isn't Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 tier production quality so you would rather have no production at all and just read the LN. Could this be some kind of subconscious thing where because the production quality isn't top tier one feels insulted as a fan of the source? "Is this work I like not worth more than this?"

>>147091416
I doubt that, the Japanese full-time work week is down to an average of 12 hours per day 5 days a week due to government initiatives these days. ABE WANTS BABIES.

I'm a Westerner and my average work week is more hours than that (especially when commute is factored in) and I still spend more of my spare time in the evenings reading manga than watching anime.

>>147091577
I read manga. When there is an anime I prefer the anime unless it's totally botched.

>>147091073
Anon, I don't know how much comics you've actually read or how much you know a bout movies, but there is now way you can tell me Captain America civil war doesn't exist solely as a setup for future movies, or that you ''feel '' like this films in general offer you actual closure instead of being blatant sequel bait. I mean the whole point of all that retarded after credit scenes is to build up to the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. Finally I can assure you that if you're really enjoying GOT is precisely because you don't read the books, so the comparison doesn't piss you off.

>>147091588
I'm not sure what sort of bizarre psychoanalysis you're trying, but if the anime is bad and doesn't make use of its potential strong points as a medium, then those strong points disappear. Bad is bad, regardless of what the source material does or doesn't deserve.

>>147091632
Okay? That doesn't address anything I said. You keep going on about "but anime has production values and pictures!" and seem shocked that anyone wouldn't prefer it. Is this so incomprehensible to you?

>>147091652
Look, anon, I'm going on the movies I've seen. I haven't seen Civil War. I'm going off Thor 1-2 and The Avengers and then Age of Ultron. That's what I've seen. In each a villain is introed and defeated. Maybe they're fucking it up for Civil War. I don't know.

>>147091627
>Japanese full-time work week is down to an average of 12 hours per day
What the fuck? That is still ridiculous.

>I'm a Westerner and my average work week is more hours than that
Do you work in a sweatshop? You're supposed to be working 40hrs a week which is 8 hrs a day, not over 12 a day

>>147091753
I work two separate six hour shifts between two different stores.

And in case you didn't know the entire American film industry runs on like a 14-16 hour a day work day, and sure there are breaks for lunch and such but that's still a 16 hours average that people are on set either working or waiting to go to work and can't leave the set.

>>147091207
Perhaps, but I'm still willing to bet that it's going to be miles better than the bastardization the current anime writers and directors would subject it to.

>>147091705
But you are replacing a discrete criteria which is somewhat measurable "production quality" with just "bad." You'd have to tell me why it is bad and why the source isn't. And 90% of the time it all comes down to "T-tt-hey changed X and Y! muh butchered m-manga!" Someone who only watches the anime isn't going to know or care about that unless it is really badly done. So is that "bad" or is it just demanding something being adapted word for word?

>>147091705
It addresses the fact that I don't hate reading. The amount of money put into something can greatly enhance how entertaining it is to some extent. It can't turn a turd into a diamond but it helps a lot, especially with the kinds of stories many LNs and manga have. Can't imagine Heavy Object battles are too entertaining in a LN. They have to turn it into a puzzle of "how can they beat this Object with limited resources and manpower?" to make it worth anything.

>>147091812
The thing is, that's retail. With Japan you get fucked with 12 hours even as an officeworker.

>>147091961
>Someone who only watches the anime isn't going to know or care about that unless it is really badly done.
Yes, someone who hasn't read the manga won't know that it's worse than the manga, quite obviously. That doesn't mean it isn't worse, or that the people who say it is are deluding themselves. It doesn't even have to be about plot points, either - your entire argument is basically that anime has more dimensions to it (color, motion, voice acting), but even with the same story, good use of manga's dimensions beats poor use of anime's dimensions, and in my opinion manga often do make better use of it.

>>147091712
Okay anon, let's go with those. Did you notice that after Thor 2 Loki not only wasn't given a resolution , but is now governing Asgard posing as Odin? (which means thor HAS to return thre), or that during Age of Ultron thor had visions about the destruction of Asgard?. I mean shit, now Hulk was separated from the team so he was conveniently abscent during civil war, but will make his return in Thor 3, there's now the vision, whose power source is directly tied to the Mcguffin the villain in Infinty wars soughts and a long, long extra fucking long etcetera.

>>147092237
Aw you fucked me. I forgot about that just because the dark elf fucks were stopped. Looks like Marvel movies are shit too boys. Pack it up.

>>147092179
>Yes, someone who hasn't read the manga won't know that it's worse than the manga, quite obviously.
And people who haven't watched the anime but read the manga don't know the anime is better either! See what I did there? Worse is your synonym for different. What if the anime changed something and you actually LIKED that change more than how it was done in the manga? But that can't happen that frequently due to natural human cognitive biases. So again, we're stuck.

Those who watch the anime first will almost never read the manga because they won't want to suffer the loss of the added dimensions they so love, and those who read the manga first will hate the anime because it will change the manga, unless they do it near word for word and it works well that way.

> It doesn't even have to be about plot points, either - your entire argument is basically that anime has more dimensions to it (color, motion, voice acting), but even with the same story, good use of manga's dimensions beats poor use of anime's dimensions, and in my opinion manga often do make better use of it.
You'd have to define "making good use of X's dimensions" is vs making "poor use of Y's dimensions."

>>147091961
>greatly enhance how entertaining it is to some extent
>greatly to some extent

Thanks for triggering my autism.

>>147092237
It's not even about them being shit all the time or not anon,now the executives have smelled the blood and if future capeshit movies are successful the DC shared universe is going to be a thing , and then fox will try to have a spiderman-verse, fox will keep shitting out x-men movies, and next thing you know everyone and their mother will try their hand at this shared universe bullshit until the bubble collapses. But in the meantime it's a bleak immediate future for moviegoers.

>>147092663
Meant to reply to>>147092296.

>>147092663
Yeah I don't really like the proliferation of them. Occasionally is enough but they're getting far too frequent and crowding out other things.

All the problems in the industry can be boiled down to Japan's declining birth rate.

>>147092788
It's worse than that, now there's going to be a new star wars related movie every fucking year at the least (regardless of quality of course), so you can already see that is not going to stop at capeshit , so yeah it is a problem. Mark my words anon.

>>147091416
A third of Japan's workforce is part-timers nowadays, idiot.

>>147095221
There's no way part-timers are going to be buying 70 dollar BDs, idiot.

>>147085315

But this sounds amazing. Is this a joke?

>>147096276
You're a man, she's a woman.

>>147086406
>>147087500
Wait, so it's in it?

But whatever, pervert teacher seems to have been removed, so we won't have THAT glorious scene.

>>147085468
>Reika is sad, but her hair is great, and her breasts magnificent.

Okay, stopped here, the reviewer is just a butthurt feminist isn't she?

>>147085524
>the cheap, dead eyes and sterile plasticity of the CG humans suggests we’re no closer to bridging the uncanny valley than we were 15 years ago when the first all-CG “Final Fantasy” movie came out.

Did we watch the same thing? All of the trailers of the movie looked incredible. Is she just mad because all the girls in it are so much sexier than her?

>>147096130
How do you think neets and otakus do it regularly?
You can work a part time job or be a hikki and still be supplemented by your family.

>>147086129
It makes no sense, why do americans always talk about gender "issues" when they read fucking fiction? GANTZ isn't real. Reika isn't real.

>>147090241
Saint Seiya looks great too. I'd say it looks better than this but I haven't seen full fights from Gantz O so i'll wait.

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>>147085315
>it's a Gantz thread
>and a regressively gendered vision

>>147097230
Fiction affects reality

Oh damn, I started reporting everyone before even reading the thread, now I'm not sure what to do, good night.

>>147085315
>>147085468
>>147085524
Feminism is a plague. I can't believe how disconnected from reality these people are. They honestly believe their own girl-power rhetoric. Easy to pretend to be strong when you have no real enemies (thanks to western men). The mere thought of Japan ever giving an inch to these people horrifies me.