Will we ever get a genuine "evil" MC ever again in anime?

He wasn't evil. He was Chaotic good.

True evil is when you kill for fun. For no other motives. Light killed criminals, and he didn't do it to bring himself pleasure.

>>146992739
>was literally about to kill his sister for his own plans
>not evil

>>146992876
>what is chaotic good

>>146992876
For his plans. no for pleasure nigger.

If you wanna make an omelette...

>>146993069
>light's plans
>good

Lawful Evil, nigga.

>>146993101
>light's plans
>evil
wew lad

>>146992535
To answer you.

Probably NO

>>146993101
Regardless he's not 100% true evil. nobody is. He had good intentions.

obviously in a legal court your intentions don't matter. but when you are talking about philosophical alignments Intention is everything.

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>>146992535
>genuine "evil"
>light being genuine anything

pic related is what genuine looks like

>>146993187
>literally wanted to become a living god from ep 1
>good intentions

>>146993187
>>146993148
>wants to kill bad people just so he can be a god and dictate people's lives based on what he thinks is right
>not evil

Someone hasn't read the Bible or Mudslime equivelent.

>>146992739
No, he was evil. But he was well written evil.
You understood his motives, and at times sypathized with him. Make no mistake though, in the end he was the villain.

>>146993433
>genuine meme

>>146993922
This. That's why I prefer the manga ending over the anime, I feel like the anime took it soft on him, the manga gave him the humiliating villain defeat he deserved.

>>146993922
>well written
He was a literal gary stu.

>at times sypathized with him.
Nope, I'm not a 15 yo edgelord with no understandings of politics and justice.

>>146992739
>Light killed criminals, and he didn't do it to bring himself pleasure.
What is god complex?

Has there been an MC who was evil just to cause chaos?

>>146993922
Which is Lawful Evil.

>>146994410
Light was the opposite of lawful. He constantly broke the law and made exceptions for himself.

>>146994229
>Nope, I'm not a 15 yo edgelord with no understandings of politics and justice.
Well, he was, and you probably were a few years ago.

>>146994788
Yeah, I was, the problem is that Light was supposed to be a genius. I think my problem with the writing is how they tell you he's supposedly a smart guy put into this magic situation when he was at best a high functioning autist, except he was handsome, sociable, good at sports and whatever the fuck else gary stu shit the autor tried to ram into this clusterfuck of a character, it feel like it lacks some sort of coherence as to what this character was supposed to be other than what a 15 yo kid would think is cool to get him to buy manga volumes and DVDs.

>>146993771
>being influenced by religious texts

>>146993148
>The end justifies the means.
>Ever a good thing.

>>146995113
He was a legit psychopath, he was able to hide everything, be sociable, Etc, and was very book-smart, but fucking nuts.

>>146995113
>what is a psychopath

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>>146995222

>>146995222
There's not one person who isn't influenced by a religious text whether directly or indirectly.

The idiot in this thread claiming Light was Chaotic Good would be crucified in any D&D group for this kind of obvious bullshittery. Get the FUCK out of here with that nonsense.

Light is a completely perfect Lawful Evil character though. I've literally used him as an example.

>>146994575
This is utterly wrong. Following the law is not required for Lawful alignment. The law itself isn't the point of comparison. Try reading the fucking sourcebooks, it says this EXPLICITLY.

>>146994393
DANGEROUS MOST DANGEROUS

>>146994393
>>146995365
CAN'T STOP

>>146995248
It's usually true though. Follow the right procedure but get shit results? Procedure must need fixing. Follow the wrong procedure but get great results? If the results are good enough then it's all okay.

>>146995497
HE'S JUST A SOLDYA

>>146994287
Something the mangaka amped up over time to counter the good PR Light got from being effective.

Personally, I think the mangaka should have gone the other way. Light should have had trouble effectively controlling people and governments, pushing him to become more and more extreme in his manipulation and killing to try and gain control.

>>146995660
>he announces he wants to become the god of the new world right in the first chapter
>something the mangaka amped up over time

>>146995323
Light's alignment seems pretty flexible, as the memory loss sort of points out. Put him in a D&D setting with clear evil to slay and he'd be as good as you get.

>>146995859
Light would make an amazing Paladin, since Detect Evil would give him an enormous boner. The problem is when he starts killing innocents to further his goals, which is 100% Not Fucking Okay to anyone of Good alignment. Neutrals can get away with it sparingly.

>>146992739
>chaotic good
>not lawful neutral

>>146996039
>lawful neutral
>not lawful good

>>146995222
>being this euphoric

>>146995821
It's not in the english version I look at, and I don't have the raws with me. Still, it's has minimal focus at that stage, little better than a dramatic one-liner for the intro chapter. It's not until later that his ego starts competing with his idealism in his portrayal.

>>146992535
The only evil here is you making this shit thread, OP

>>146995821
Oh, saw it in a different version. And I remember hearing shinsekai no kami in the anime so it's likely legit.

Then again, the guy just lost 9 pounds in under a week because he was stressing about the issue and convincing himself that it was his responsibility to take this path. It's like he brainwashed himself.

>>146996141
>not following the Code of Hammurabi instead

>>146996531
>Code of Hammurabi
The Old Testament pretty much was the Code of Hammurabi.

>>146996039
No. To be of the lawful alignment, you must work within the law system currently in place.

He did the EXACT OPPOSITE. He tried to create a new system, thus opposing the old, one in which he was the judge.

>>146996531
The Bible legit says an eye for an eye.

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I don't know what you mean by evil. If by evil, you mean acts that goes against morals for their own goals, then by all means, pic related is about an mc dabbling in the arts of alchemy to become immortal. And doing any heinous act to do so while being considered good under law.

>>146996935
Evil would be doing actions that help yourself with no regard for how they may negatively impact others.

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>>146994393
no

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>>146997009
Good luck reading nip, because this series may be for you. The mc is actually a bro though. He hates god I believe.

>>146997058
Does he hate the concept of God or does he legit hate God?

>>146996832
You have a point, but his whole shtick was killing people who weren't good citizens. His endgame was to create a lawful society, not a chaotic one.

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>>146997083
Hate God. He died once, you know that whole vision of an afterlife where there's flowers and all? He didn't get that, he's not planning to go back to that.

>>146997149
Why are 2D bitches so much more appealing than 3D bitches?

>>146997109
The chaotic part of "chaotic good/neutral/evil" Does not mean that there "end goal" is chaos. It describes the morals and methods they use.

>>146993101
Lawful evil is evil that uses laws to their advantages. Have you even played D&D? Light is chaotic good.

>>146997151
So he get sent to "hell" and decided to fuck that shit?

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>>146997260
And not going back. Fuck the afterlife, I'm gonna be immortal. That whole shit. Reincarnated, he's going to ruin his own family to get where he is and crap. I forgot. Eh.

>>146992876
>putting your own family in the way of the greater good
>not extremely selfish

>>146997323
Thanks for the info. As a christian I'm "put off" yet intriqued just so I can see his development and it's relation to his death.

>>146997260
I mean, look at this poor man who might get experimented on! Wouldn't you want to do anything to prevent dying and be immortal?>>146996935

>>146997380
But it was for the greater good. If he never failed, and eventually became a fat corrupted god only concerned with his own happiness, then he would become evil.

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Lawful Evil coming through. You faggots don't know anything. Griffith and Light are so similar it hurts.

Wasn't Lelouch evil?

>>146997459
Nah the biggest difference is that Light is borderline, if not full, sociopathic. Griffith started to waver from his end goal because of Griffith, whereas Light never genuinely cared for anyone.

>>146997484
not really

>>146997251
>lawful uses laws to their advantages
>Light literally joins the police

Do you see how stupid you sound?

>>146997459
Griffith did his stuff because he wanted his dream.
His dream was " I want to have my own kingdom"

NOT "I want to make this kingdom a better place"

Griffith also USED the current system to rise in power, light made his own and opposed the one in place.

>>146997520
*Guts
Welp time to sleep.

>>146997484
He was literally the Jesus of anime. He was willing to give up his own life and symbol for the happiness of the world "The only ones who should kill are those willing to be killed."

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>>146997387
Good luck buddy. Here's an advice, just because you're Christian, doesn't mean reading a secular text or enjoying something that is not meant to be taken seriously in religious standards. You could enjoy a story about demons and not take the context all too seriously. Hope you know nip and probably enjoy this series.

>>146997594
Thanks for the advice I'll definitely check out the book.
>Here's an advice, just because you're Christian, doesn't mean reading a secular text or enjoying something that is not meant to be taken seriously in religious standards.
Although I don't really have a problem with this. I literally have books like The God Delusion on my shelf because I like to see both sides of the argument.

>>146997538
The PLOT of 60% of the show was light FIGHTING THE POLICE FORCE. Yes he joined the police, but he did to fight them.

Once he gained control of the police force, He would be considered Lawful neutral, since he only goal was to uphold the law, the law he created to make the world a better place. But he would do it in a neutral fashion.

Evil? No, he was just a bad dude.

>>146997520
I know you meant "because of Guts" It's Friday and any sensible human being is drunk.

Everyone has a flaw that can deviate them from their "alignment." Griffith's was Guts, Light's was being in control, which is almost the same as Griffith and Guts. He lost control when his faggot pawn from the end snapped and went batshit.

Unless it turns out Griffith was in love with Guts in a sexual way, which is very possible. Then you have a point.

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>>146997725
Anon, when he was pegging Casca, who did he look at the most? Guts. When he was docking Charlotte, who was really on his mind? Guts. When he was awarded, who did he first look at? Guts.

>>146997725
The "flaw" doesn't even need to be considered a flaw. As people grow they naturally change their outlook on life. This would be considered "character growth/death"

>>146997679
You just don't need to take it all too seriously. That's all, don't be radical about secular text and media. Not meant to be a religious thing.

>>146997690
I'm drunk as fuck, sorry for typos.

Light thought that by killing what he considered were bad people, that he could become a god. When lawmen got involved, he pretended to work within the law, just like a lawful evil person would.

When shit got out of his control, he kept working within the laws of both man and the shinigami, He wanted to fulfill his goals, but only if done "right" but also if it came out to what he wanted.

He followed rules to get what he wanted in the end, whether supernatural or modern Japan rules. Writing words in a notebook breaks no laws.

I'm really drunk and I hope this all makes sense, but I want my fellow /tg/ fags to agree that Light is Lawful Evil.

>>146997838
Pegging casca, he was trying to hurt the one who "could" be the cause of this

Charlotte, he was thinking about his "best friend" leaving him.

When he was awarded, he looked at his "best friend/best warrior"

It could likely be he was gay for guts, but its not set in stone yet.

>>146997109
that's not how d&d works

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>>146997990
Anon, I'm pretty sure Griffith is gay for Guts. I would bet if Guts offered his ass to Griffith, Griffith would take it.

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>>146997990
Our drunken formatting is similar, but we're different anons. Just FYI.

Fuck my pussy.

>>146997976
The main issue is, a lawful EVIL person uses the law for there own personal benefit. The best word to describe this would be corruption.

He did break a law. He KNOWINGLY committed an action to kill people. A fuckton of people.

Then the law said "stop, you don't have the right"
Lights response was "fuck the police" He even killed the police.

He NEVER had the right too sentence someone to death, the source of anyone thinking that would be himself.

>>146998106
> mangareader
Why the fuck did I get that? Didn't I get it from Mangasee? Dammit, I need to erase it from my folder.

>>146997725
>any sensible human being is drunk.
Getting drunk is for fuck ups.

>>146998106
I would agree that there is an attraction for guts from griffith, but I doubt Griffith felt strong enough for it to matter. He would best be described as Asexual, but since that would be REALLY weird for a human, he has a minor sexuality for guts, minor though, since almost nothing he does is motivated by sex drive or lust.

>>146998151
I get manga from shitty sites online all the time, just take screenshots that don't have the stupid watermarks.

>>146998142
>The main issue is, a lawful EVIL person uses the law for there own personal benefit. The best word to describe this would be corruption.

Light's dad is a highly regarded cop with a lot of influence. Light knows the law really well and probably knows from his dad how corrupt any police department is

>He did break a law. He KNOWINGLY committed an action to kill people. A fuckton of people.
Lawful Evil will kill people, as long as it's within the realms of the law. A magic notebook has no legal restrictions.

>He NEVER had the right too sentence someone to death, the source of anyone thinking that would be himself.

That's lawful evil. Being a terrible person who uses legal means and manipulation to achieve their goals. Just look at the state of the world.

Sorry for typos, dumb facts and all that. I'm just trashed and having a good time. Death Note is just OK.

>>146998372
>not driven by sex or lust
>rapes the princess because his boyfriend since he ditched him

>>146997920
I can justify these types of stories in my head easily because The Universe is as God created it so in these alternate universe stories with magic and stuff I just treat it as is God's nature is different. My philosophy states that the intrinsic values of The Universe are decided by God so the story is completely separate from real life.

>>146997554
>i want to have a kingdom
>i want to be a god
>i want to rule

All the same. Fucking retard.

>>146992876
When did that happen?

>>146992739

Japan has a low crime rate anyway and Light was undermining the rule of law.

>>146998400
>Lawful Evil will kill people, as long as it's within the realms of the law. A magic notebook has no legal restrictions.

Just because you find a new way to kill someone doesn't make it now legal to knowingly kill someone.

>That's lawful evil. Being a terrible person who uses legal means and manipulation to achieve their goals. Just look at the state of the world.

He did NOT act within the law murdering people. Thus the chaotic part.

His actions in his head were for the benefit of humanity. This means they were roughly good. NOT for his own personal gain, benefit, or power.

typos are fine. I am just enjoying this conversation.

>>146998485
Griffith NEVER rationalized his actions by saying he was doing good for the world.

Light wanted to become the god of a world that was better. That was his goal.

while minor, in the case of the discussion in this thread, this distinction is important

>>146998599
I think he is referring to the notebook swap right after L dies

>>146998691
Light didn't want to become the god of japan, he wanted to become the god of the whole world. And make it a better place.

>>146998733
Your argument would've held if Light stick to killing criminals, but he went on to kill everyone who got in his way, including his own father. His ego eventually overtook his original sense of justice (the viewpoint his father raised him with), and he begins to follow the 'might equals right' way of thinking.

Justice and law are very hard to define. You can view law as a tool to carry out justice, but it's common to have misrulings or cases where there criminal gets off lightly. Justice itself is also subject to society's changes. If you consider the fact that law, and justice itself, was and is created by a select few, then Light was indeed 'just'.

>>146998850

>His ego eventually overtook his original sense of justice

>Justice itself is also subject to society's changes.

Very good points, Which I agree on. BUT they have a common theme. "passage of time"

Would you agree that lights alinement changes over the course of the show?

I feel after he figures out what he wants to do with the death note, He would be chaotic good. B/c murdering people for the greater good.

But by the end or near the end of the show, He would be Lawful neutral since people now think he is law, He just focuses on keeping his version of "law" and "justice" upheld. Not focus on helping people, not focused on his own personal gain.

Which would make N and L chaotic good ironically .

His mental break down was too short b4 he dies to be considered a alinement change, so I don't know what to think about that. Plus I really hated that scene.

>>146998850
Oh, and light did not kill his father. His father died due to wound from the police raid on the mob house. At least it did in the anime.

>>146997484
Chaotic good. Also he literally kills himself for world peace at the end. Did you even watch the show?

>>146999255
Fuck you. Spoiler that shit.

>>146993727
Theres nothing evil about wanting to become god

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>>146999273
how fucking new

>>146994193
Didn't they end the same?

>>146996531
>code of harambe
sounds good

>>146998733
Why would a notebook swap kill his sister?

>>146999242
Yeah, my manga memory is fuzzy, but didn't Light manipulate his dad into getting the shinigami eyes and then tore him a new asshole when he forgot L's name or something?

The show should have ended with Light winning. It would have been more interesting to see his new world that he created instead of the world returning to the status quo.

Killing already convicted criminals was a pretty faggy thing to do, anyway.

>>147000838
Nah Light was a dipshit.

Light was a good kid, he dindu nuffin wrong!

>>146992739

This, but because he was also willing to kill good people (such as his father,) he is so far into Chaotic that it basically blurs the line.

Kira did nothing wrong.

>>147001002
Except killing innocent people and getting handed the deus ex machina book and still fucking it up.

>>146997484
I always saw Lelouch as a well-written Neutral Evil. He is ultimately selfish in his motivation (vengeance). He didn't mind backstapping, manipulating, and outright killing plenty of people for it. In the end, his own life was just the final piece of the puzzle.

Why don't people just blatantly rip it off and try their own spin?

It's a good concept, and they executed it pretty well, but I'd like to see someone else take a crack at it. Call it the slaytome or something.

Jurassic Park is the same way. Where are my dinosaur amusement park disaster movies?

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yes, if Ribbon Warrior gets an anime

>>146999937
Fuck off back to twitter with that shit meme.

>>147001150
I got it. You can't really use a book again, but how about a magic ring and if you twist it while looking at your mark, they die. You don't need to bother with knowing names, but it's not as OP as the death note because you have to have them in your line of sight.

You can kill people on TV though. Only if it's live.

>>147001150
Nobody wants to be known as a rip-off-er.

>>147001353
meant to reply to OP

>>146998111
its better be boipucci
otherwise no

>>147001403
Ah it's a good idea. How long does it take until other people can use it? Is there only one children murdering people on an island book allowed?

>>147001559
>on an island
Would be better in the states, to be honest.
Preferably in the midwest.

Does evil boil down to intentions or actions? Sure you could say Light had good intentions, but I find it hard to say that his actions were anything other than evil.

Does being Lawful mean you obey the current rules or merely seek to impose order in general?

I think the answer to those questions really change whether or not Light is chaotic good or lawful evil.

>>147001353
She's not evil though. It's just how the Manga is drawn.

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>>147001620
Being lawful means you are affected by chaos hammers, words of chaos, detect law & similiar while being able to wield axiomatic weapons. Similiar with good, evil, chaotic. Alignments are a fucking game system element and are only used for game mechanics and shitposting in /tg/. This thread gave me cancer.

>>147001395
And once you use the ring when it's on your hand you can't remove it while you live. And you have to kill every day or something.

>>147001630
>uses innocent people as shields
>bribe highschoolers with alcohol
>compares people to dogs to be shot
>sets fire to private property to win a match
she's pretty evil

>>147000884
But watching him lose to Near because of a mistake he didn't make and that one of Near's guys could copy a notebook in one night was more retarded. I'd rather see Light lose to L or not at all.

>>147001700
>And you have to kill every day or something.
No, it just continually gets tighter until you kill.
Eventually, you would lose your finger, then die a painful death and go to hell if you don't kill.

>>147001685
So what does that make Light?

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>>147001620
Ultimately, Light wants to control the world through fear. A chaotic good would vehemently opposes that.
>>147001685
Come on now, everyone just having fun here.

>>147001685
>It's a game mechanic so you cant have discussion about which category a character would fall into.

Okay autist.

>>147001810
The mistake was trusting others. Guaranteed to fail at that point. Deathnote can't be used to gain power, cause eventually you have to reveal yourself.

You can kill anonymously and gain nothing, but what's the point then? Humans will naturally try to profit.

>>146999301
unless you fail to become god

>>147001830
Yeah and it's really a cockring. Brainstorming complete, this is gold.

>>147001757
She's pragmatic for sure. But no one gets hurt in the end, and there was never really a sense of danger in it. She's never came off to me as malicious .

>>147001395
>you twist it while looking at your mark
>>147001929
>it's really a cockring
So he has to jack off to kill someone?

>>147002079
>Public masturbator arrested for trying to mold the world into his own image and become a deity.

>>147001830
Could do an arc where the main character is a girl and she winds up in the middle of nowhere because she's a dumbass and also she's pregnant(dumbass) so she has to twist the ring and abort her kid to live.

iirc Light wanted to rid the world of shit and used an evil method to rid of them.

>A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he's kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society.

Shouldn't he be classified as Chaotic Good?

>>147002202
>a number of people are given rings, all competing to become a god
>or something
>One unlucky guy gets his ring on his cock, by accident
>one pregnant girl gets one
Who else?

>>147002216
>he hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do
Light wanted to kill so many people so that everyone would be too afraid to stand up against him in his new world.

>>147002216
> Kind and benevolent
That would probably be the last thing I'd say about Light.

> Hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do.
Light often tried to manipulate and control others, and essentially used intimidation tactics.

> Has little use for laws and regulations.
He often used the law for his advantage, and ultimately wanted to impose his own laws based on his own morality.

>>146992739
he killed a guy who was a bit too forward with the ladies. and that wasn't even the reason, he did it just to test the DN.

>>146995248
Killing a cow so that I may have a McDonald's cheeseburger is totally justifiable

>>146992535
I LOVED THIS GUY.
THERE'S NO MC THAT'S BETTER THAN THIS GUY.
>now, I'LL SHOW YOU THE CREATION OF THE NEW WORLD
he did what was good and wasn't afraid to get his hand dirty for it. 91 days is the only anime that has a similar MC

>>147002202
Yeah and she also has to cut her own stomach open first because you have to see your mark.

Needless to say, she goes berserk psycho after this.

Honestly though, Light only makes sense to bullied teenagers with a lot of pent up anger and victim complex.

>>146997459
Lawful why, because he dresses like a paladin? Band of the Hawk raided/thieved, he schemed and assassinated, he was ready to kill Guts for not doing exactly what he wants, he condoned the murder of his friends for personal gain. His adage is that he will do anything to succeed, and that status/laws/codes/etc are meaningless on the battlefield.

>>147001620
but he was justice. The world will be freed of crime if he wasn't caught

>>147002560
Yeah, he's a classic example of Neutral Evil.

>>147002274
Throw in a kira character, and some guy who cheats the rules somehow and wears his hand on a string around his neck cause he chopped it off, although I don't see any advantages to that yet.

Maybe a president of a country, a pacifist who doesn't ever turn it, and some guy who tries to get rich. That's seven right?

>>147002546
from my perspective L, Near, criminals and bullies are the bad guys

Light did nothing for personal gain. And his actions would ultimately lead to pure unadulterated justice.

>>147002574
He would probably kill all of us for downloading anime at some point.

>>147002629
He has a God complex, he gets a kick out of doing it.

>>147002587
Who gives a shit, DnD is gay. He's evil and he does what he does out of a bottomless hunger for power.

>>147002714
Well, that's kind off the definition for Neutral Evil.

>>147002653
I doubt that...

>>147002216
Maybe at the beginning. But Light changes throughout the series.

He probably counts as Neutral Evil thinking he's Lawful Neutral at the end.

>>146992535
One piece is still running.

>>146992535
Who cares, edgelord anime is for faggots.

>>147002785
Light would kill you for that post

>>147002589
You could start with a limited point of view, a detective character probably who catches a ringbearer quickly, and then sees another person die on live TV and realizes there are more and that he has to take the ring and go on a quest to fuck up the other ringbearers.

>>147002902
And the detective refuses to kill anyone but bearers, so his story is a race against time.

>>147002433
>McDonald's cheeseburger
Not that kind of burger.

>>147002956
MAKE IT HAPPEN

>>147002784
They aren't evil, the world government is.

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Light literally did nothing wrong
He is just the ultimate definition of "talk shit get hit"
If you can't handle the bantz stay away from manz

>>147001093
>innocent people
As far as i remember the only people he killed that didn't do anything wrong was people willing to die for him

>>147003611
No, he made that fbi agent's wife commit suicide.

>>147003642
she would have gotten him caught which would have prevented him from dispensing justice. She died for the greater good.

>>147002956

>Strange amount of deaths at a psych ward
>Investigator comes seeking a bearer
>Nurse escorts him around, and they pass a muttering crazy girl
>Her name is Ruby, she lost her memory
>How do you know her name, then?
>Nurse giggles, and says: Oh, she has this ruby ring and try as we might, no one can get it off. Dardnest thing.
>1000 yard stare

Then it turns out it's just a frame up anyway and the ring was superglued on her hand by the janitor or something who has the real ring.

>>147003770
>investigator kills Ruby without realizing it
>janitor escapes

>>147003714
Ur dumb

>>147003830
>>147003770
>tfw we will never get this made into a comic

>>147003830
He could realize that he fucked up when he breaks into the morgue to secure the ri ng and it still isn't coming off of her hand like it should.

>>147004085
How did the rings appear?
A mysterious box with a hundred rings of varying types were found in ___, then stolen before the historic find could be studied.
then they circulated on the black market, or in regular jewelry stores, or whatever?

>>147004251
Yeah. Something like that. Probably best not to use the literal deus ex plot of: A god handed them out.

Keep the setting pretty localized to just america. After the investigator gets on the trail he tracks down a store where the guy got it from and the shopkeeper mentions how many rings of that type were sold. And maybe he has a rulebook that was supposed to go with them.

Dunno how people unlock the secrets of them on their own or how the president got a ring though.

There could also be a bearer who wears a suit of armour as a gimmick. If you can't see him you can't kill him, but he sees you.

>>147004443
So maybe he has to track everyone who has ever been to whatever city they were sold in, originally, though some get found out as magic and sold on the black market.
I guess New York would be the best city for it to start in, since then we can also have some people on business or vacation get some.

>>147004550
Maybe he learns a hidden ring feature or something. Like turning it counterclockwise has a different effect.

You'd also probably want to make all bearers immortal except when killed by rings.

>>147005165
>counterclockwise has a different effect
Too obvious for a secret affect, but I could see that.
But a secret affect is a good idea. Something to discover at the end, like, it heals and still loosens the ring.
The ring was supposed to be a test of right or wrong, you would need to hurt or heal, which would it be? But nobody could figure out how to heal, so many were driven, in desperation, to kill, even MC.

>>146999301
That's what Satan wanted and he's pretty evil

>>147005359
But are you implying God himself is evil, because I'm pretty certain he's completely happy as God, and glad to be one.

>>147005276
I don't know how he'd kill the president either. He's deduce that he has a ring by seeing a tabloid about how the president isn't leaving the Whitehouse for any reason to avoid being seen.

A determined person could obviously just stroll into there glancing at everyone he sees and spinning his ring. But MC probably doesn"t want to kill innocents and you also have to contend with the fact the president probably has cameras.

>>147005525
I don't know, man. Maybe a look-alike poses as the president after the FBI uncovers this stuff, so whoever wants to kill the president can't get the real him.
Now everyone just believes the president is having tons of heartattacks, collapsing, then recovering, but it's really the look-alikes dying.

>>147005746
Make it too easy to get to him. It's not the newest trick, but I would fall for it likely.

They did that in Artemis Fowl.

>>147005834
Then the detective has to investigate everyone with a ring who attended the speeches of the fake presidents.
After investigating all of them, maybe he just can't find the right one, but then it's revealed to have been the pervert who stuck his ring on his dick, which is why they didn't investigate him at first, because he didn't have a ring on his finger.

>>147005904
I got. Altruism or some bullshit unlocks the hidden feature. Everyone is greedy and wants to stay alive, but main character falls into a trap, and the pacifist character decides to use his ring to kill someone and save him, because the pacifist has secretly been collecting data on all bearers or something.

Anyway, after that, Pacifist looks in a mirror and spins his ring, and that's what does it. Maybe he gets the ability to take the ring off whenever or something.

Every anime that has a blonde as a protagonist.
All blondes are inherently evil whores.

>>147005904
And you could have dick guy revealed by someone just asking: who says the ring has to be on your hand?

Or maybe he overhears someone talking and she mentions cock rings for some reason and it clicks.

>>146993922
>written evil
>>146997520
>sociopathic

Which is it? Sociopaths are inherently boring characters and can't be ever written well.

>>147006183
They could even watch cockboy on camera initially and specifically rule him out because the fake president dies while he has one hand in his pocket and thusly can't be spinning.

>>147006132
>Zatch Bell

>>146992535
Maybe if Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is made.

>>147006082
Yeah, and MC has always wondered how pacifist hasn't had his finger cut off, yet, and been poisoned and died, but why hasn't pacifist told him? We need a good reason.
Or maybe pacifist is different, like someone suffering from his refusal to kill, but lack of knowledge of the healing feature.

>>147006387
I guess I sort of thought the pacificist had the ring but never twisted it while looking at someone, so he didn't have to worry about killing constantly. He'd have to know what the ring was for that to work.

Them when he finally uses it, he gets away with not having it stuck on him. Or something.

>>146997046
Chaotic Evil done right.

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>>146993922
>>146994193
> humiliating villain defeat he deserved

If you have such a black and white look on him I'm sorry to break it out to you but you're either 15 or have an underdeveloped frontal lobe.

Light made world peace true for the first time in human history. He killed thousands but saved tens of millions. Given that he could've maintained the artificial state of things for his lifetime, we would be talking about hundreds of millions. If we further assume humanity would've advanced in that time, and from that artificial state of things, we are talking about billions. There's no limit to what we could guess done from the power he had. For example, direct all the funds for war we no longer need into developing cures for diseases and death - he was on the verge of bringing humanity into a new age thousands of years before we could hope to achieve such a thing. Even if you don't assume anything else gained, he still managed to save thousands for every life he took.

Light was evil how again?

>>147006654
Maybe the secret feature could be literal disarming of evilbearers.

If you meet the pure heart quota or whatever you need, spinning it will make their arm fall off when you look at them.

>>146992739
>True evil is when you kill for fun.
No, that's Bioware Evil.

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>>147006844

He was the second coming.

>>147006881
>make their arm fall off
That seems a bit extreme.
Anyway,
>tfw going to bed soon, and this thread'll probably be dead tomorrow
Maybe I'll make another Death Note thread tomorrow, so we can continue our discussion, if you guys want that.

>>147002395
Motorcycle man was chasing her on his bike, it would have ended with rape or violence; pretty good candidate to test your powers on.

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>>146998691
>Japan has a low crime rate anyway

Yeah, because they always arrest the first suspect and declare the case closed.
The "99%" statistic for Japan exists because all such cases are the only ones counted for the purposes of "Success of the police force".

If you're falsely imprisoned by police in Japan, you could have a written confession by the real culprit, a video feed of the crime, and the criminal himself confessing in front of the judge, and you would still have astronomically low chances of having your verdict overturned.

And even if you were somehow cleared of all accusations, you'll be dead to society forever, with everyone who knew about what happened still treating you like a criminal who deserved it, even though you did nothing.

Knowing that, Light probably killed innocent people most of the time, considering that the advertised 'criminals' in Japan might as well be innocent people a lot of times.

>>147007167
Japan sounds like an awful place.

How can a single unlikable character from nearly a decade ago still bring this much discussion?

>>147007167
>>147007251

Crime rate has nothing to do with arrest rate. Japan has a low crime rate because their cities aren't filled to the brim with violent muds.

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I never got why people thought Light would ever really make a difference in a meaningful way, given enough time.

This is fiction, so there's not much use in reading too much into it, but think about it.
The only reason why the death note worked in reducing crime was because they sensationalized his feats over media, and small time criminals stepped down because of it.
Unlike >>147006844 seems to think, he wouldn't have done anything good past that.

If they'd given him another year or two, what do you think would have happened as soon as 'real' criminals got wind that the new hammer of justice was just a person, and not an omniscient god?

They would misdirect information.
They would make the media paint their enemies as criminals.
They would frame inconvenient parties for crimes, knowing Kira would have no way of knowing.

In the end, the "God" would be nothing but a naive idiot, serving the needs of people smarter and more powerful than he was.
His only power was remotely killing people.
That's something that has been better accomplished with money and connections since forever.

>>146992535
Sorry, we can't have more antiheroes like Light because people are afraid to accept the fact that bad guys run the world. Yeah, Light was a bad dude but he was cleaning the world of bad guys (and got good results and PR) and faced men like L who were pretty damn 'evil' themselves.

DN ain't a morality tale. Decide for yourself who's right.

>>146999255
>>146997572
>thinking Lelouche died
>not thinking Lelouche was driving the cart at the end

>>147007287
"Civil" crimes are not counted towards the statistic, just like locally solved (aka: we arrested some dude on the spot) aren't.

I'll concede that Japan IS safer than most countries, in a conventional sense, but most of its perfect image is just a clever play on the meaning of the statistics paraded around.

>>147007267
It was a well written plot, which ultimately means a character has to make mistakes in order to be beaten. This annoys people. We are all amazing logicians.

Even with that though, L never felt like he was being cheap or overpowered. Light had the ultimate weapon and he got fucked over and it still felt believable.

>>147007287
Japan is a global leader in human trafficking.

>>147007167

Everything you say completely opposes every human rights organisations' view of Japan(amnesty, hrw UN). Why do you spread such misinformation? The daiyo kangoku system is problematic, but in none of the ways you described.

>>147007346

In the anime, world peace is mentioned. Is this anime only?

Kira is chaotic good the same way Dolphy Hitler was.

>>147007616
He brought:
>world peace
>global crime rate dropped 70%
>corruption dropped by unknown amount
These are stated. >>147007346 just never paid attention and is projecting.

>>147007546

Because I fucking live here and I can tell you it's how it works.
Besides, in what way does Japan violate those laws?

Someone is a suspect, you arrest them. The way they get around it is that they pretty much assume the party is guilty, and no one is given the benefit of the doubt.
They try to sanitize society at an absurd degree, but they're never "technically" doing anything wrong.

You're just guilty until proven innocent.
And even after you've proven you're innocent, just having been accused of a crime is usually a big enough wound on your reputation that your life is fucking over forever.

But that's just how retarded Japanese society is. It's not like the UN can do anything about that.

>>147007616

I think so. Especially since Light only operated in Japan, and in a smaller amount on criminals famous enough to be known internationally.

How would it make sense for that to cause world peace?

>>147007768
>>>147007346(You) just never paid attention and is projecting.

I'm not saying it's what happened in the manga, you fucking dolt.

I'm just saying that a lot of people like to rave about how much good Light would have done, but the world isn't so sweet that you could just solve things by killing people, and in the end he would've probably ended up being manipulated without even knowing, had he not been killed.

>>147007530
Light trusting people is completely out of character.

The series ended when L died and eveything is fanfiction

>>147007842

Well, we're talking about a mango universe where things mentioned were factual and if we're judging Light's morality we need to judge it in the context of the story. You're projecting real world into this and it makes 0 sense to me.

>>147008016
truth

>>147007771
>How would it make sense for that to cause world peace?

Because he got into world politics also. Politicians also fear for their death. Near mentions in the manga that Light achieved world peace and 70% drop in crime rate. Both L and Near ponder at points if they are actually the evil ones when good things are becoming into fruition from the killings.

Light fixed everything. And since there was nobody smarter than him, stopping him is a crime in itself.

>>146999663
No. In the anime he gets shot and runs away to bleed out in a dark staircase. In the manga ryuk realizes it's game over and writes his name in the deathnote then explains that there is no heaven or hell. He would just die.

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>>146992535
There's one airing right now.

>>147008016
>Not liking based mikami

>>147008547
God I love angelo.
He's just like light

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Light was a idiot, really. The justice system exists to judge people based on their crimes. There's no point in killing those people. They serve their jail time according to what they deserve. In fact, justice is favorable upon the accused.

Yagami is just being a total faggot. Death penalty is given to people who deserve it. He was just killing people because he felt like it.

His system of justice is messed up and he deserved to die for his sins. I mean, due process exists for a reason.

>>147008987
>reduce crime rates by 70%
>defeats the best detective in the world while getting close to him
>literally steals his position
>idiot

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tfw you realize death note is such a god tier series people are still talking about it 10 years later as if it came out last month, and light is best protagonist NA

>>147009110
>reducing crime rates
Meanwhile, many people are falsely killed beyond what they deserved. Makes for a shitty justice system. Didn't even give them time to change their ways. Light basically created a culture of fear of being unjustly killed.

>>146992739
>mass murderer
>chaotic good
The fuck am I reading
He may have started as Chaotic Good, but by the end of the series he was clearly Lawful Evil bordering on Neutral Evil

>>147008987
I agree, the current justice system isn't perfect but it's generally fair enough, but there are plenty of insensitive faggots who would say dumb shit like "but they didn't deserve to live anyway lol."

>>146994229
>gary stu
You're implying those cannot be well written. That happens when you just throw buzz words.

>>147009231
>many people are falsely killed beyond what they deserved.

Do you have a single fact to back that up or you just making generalisation on the 2 you just saw?

A society where people are afraid to commit crime is better than one where rapist and murderers get way scot free and roam the streets freely.

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>>146992535

>>147009298
>but it's generally fair enough

Not even, so many people get away with dumb shit or serve wayy less time than theu should

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>>147009532
>Do you have a single fact to back that up
He literally kills people who were already convicted, anon.

>A society where people are afraid to commit crime is better than one where rapist and murderers get way scot free and roam the streets freely.
>black of better than white and nothing else exists in between
Sure, anon. Sure.

>>147009538
Giygas was something else.

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The nigger was evil jesus christ you people, it doesn't take a college thesis to figure that out. It's so obvious he was a criminal they are even making him black in the american adaptation what more proof do you need?

>>147008326
Oh. But didn't Ryuk still follow him and talk to him on the staircase?

>>147009717
Light was a just misguided youth!

>find death note
>realise its powers
>understand that you have the power to kill thousands to save millions and to shape the future of mankind
>moral dilemma is if it's acceptable and if you're even morally obliged to use it for such a thing

Way to miss the points faggots. At least you got it in Fate Zero since it's explained like you're a retard toddler faggot in that one.

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>>147010026
Logically, of course I would use a deathnote because if I don't the Shinigami will take it from me and probably just kill me, but I'd be guaranteed to at least lose my memory and some more shitheaded than me will probably get the note.

But I'd just use it for lulz anyway. I would make a world in my own image. One of lulz.

I would start off by making people think the office of American presidency is cursed. After Hillary is elected, I'd write her name in the book and make her announce on live tv that letting a women into the highest position of power broke some George Washington curse or whatever and no one can hold the office ever again.

Then every time someone took it over, I'd let them settle in, and just when they felt safe, bam. After a while people will be scared. Probably only take a month.

>>146992535
>Light is evil
Newfags should stop making meme threads.

>>146997484
Yes, he practically admitted it himself.

>>147008987
>They serve their jail time according to what they deserve.
And then get out and do bad shit again. Many of the people there are repeated offenders.

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>>146993101
I think this is one the best lawful evil characters I've found written in anime.

Damn, this thread made me rewatch it and Kira is seriously a dumbass. Can't believe I used to think he was clever. He really was no match for L, he just got lucky with an asspull.

It's like he never even read a history book. When the allies cracked enigma, they didn't just change all their fucking tactics, because that would be a clear indication they know in advance what will occur.

But Kira gets access to the Police Server and just fucking changes his whole modus operandi.

Wait, so Ryuk knew the whole time exactly how long Kira was going to live? How long was the show's span? A year, I think, but that's still wicked short. Talk about a good pokerface.

He knew right from the start Light was doomed.

Death is nothing compared to vindication

>>147002605
Then you are a teenager

>>146992739
The loser is the evil one. He's evil because he lost.

>>147012322
Lights original life span was one year but it changed when Rem killed L. After that, Light lived another 5 years until he got owned by Near.

And he was dumb enough to actually kill the FBI agent tasked to follow him?Talk about painting a mark on the back of your head.

After the colossal lind l tailor fuck up he should have just put the damn deathnote in a safe for 6 months and learned how not to be a retard.

I could be a more effective murderer than him without a deathnote.

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>mfw there are retards in this thread who think Light was even anywhere near "Good"

>>147013258

at the time he killed lind he thought he was a cop right ?

and just got pissed because a bit of shit talking
regardless that lind was a criminal at that moment

he killed for his own ego

>>147010518
Underage shouldn't post

>>146993074
>For his plans. no for pleasure nigger.

you know how retarded that sounds?, what if my plan is to have pleasure?

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Wait a minute.

Plothole detected. When the investigation team goes to meet L for the first time, he says the door is unlocked and they can just let themselves in. But that can't be true. It's a hotel room door with a card reader that was shut. There is no way to "unlock" a card reader door in advance. He would have had to open it.

THIS SHOW MAKES NO SENSE.

Gankutsuou.

>>146993101
>Lawful
How the hell is that?

I'd argue that he's neutral, because he neither obeys the law nor breaks it for the sake breaking it and being "KUHREYZEEEE". The law is simply not considered.

>>147013746

I liked Death Note because it wasn't really grey about morals and being evil or good but also showed how power corrupts. Light had outstanding morals at the beginning of the show, started to give here and there as the show went on and by the end, he thought he was the one to judge individual's right to live and was planning on killing those not contributing to society too. Light managed to die before becoming evil.

>>147015031
He went totally over the line in episode 2 when he tried to kill an innocent cop for calling him evil, and then was out to lunch by episode 6 when he started murdering whole task forces of FBI agents.

>>147015143
I'd just like to think my morals would last longer than two episodes. And I'm not even a stand up paragon of virtue.

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>>147015143

Yeah, exactly. At first, it was just episodes of rage or fear or whatever when he started to slip but by the end, he had no second thoughts about doing this kind of shit and even planned on it systematically.
>yfw he could've just become a neet and kill everyone from his parents' house, none ever suspecting him
>mom bringing meals to door
>hot shimigami love with ruyk

>>147012525
calm the fuck down, kakyoin

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>>147014116
This is an example of why he's true evil.

HE WROTE THE SERIAL CODE NUMBER OF THE LOCK INTO THE DEATH NOTE

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>>146992535
We just had one a few seasons ago. He even personifies evil to a T.

>>147017796
fuck off

>>146995292
>fedora meme
Don't make you less stupid, faggot

>>146992535
>evil
Light did nothing wrong. How is he evil?

>>147020115
This.