the thing about anime

>>146722691
Itano Circus
Owari Pose
Sakuga
I even like some clichés that anime has that you rarely see in any other form of entertainment; for instance, when they use the opening to reach the climax at the end of the story. Or the spirits/voices of other characters reaching the main one when it's about to happen.
When those elements combine and they do it properly I lose my shit. They also have some kind of rhythm sense in those moments (at least when there's a good director) that you rarely see in other visual forms; it's the same rhythm a good opening has. As timing make the jokes, rhythm makes the effective use of clichés. As much as it's overused the upbeat song with the pause moments (action when it's loud, characters looking at the distance when it gets slower and/or sakura flowers and all those kind of shit), when it comes together properly it's really nice.
Dunno, I never gave it much thought, but I think it's more or less those reasons, at least for me.

Lolis

legal lolis

>>146723249
end yourself

>>146722691
IDK desu

literature has better dialog and characters and plot

movies have better scenery,aesthetics and soundtracks

western animation has better character design animation and backgrounds (just look at steven universe)

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>>146723201
>>146723505

>>146722691
Honestly I just find that it has better quality stuff while staying far enough away from ultra serious. I could watch The Big Bang Theory, but it's awful. I could watch Solaris but I don't want to sit through an hour or two of serious people looking at screens while furrowing their brows.

Fuck off.

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>>146723912
>better quality
>anime
come on anon we both not that's not the reason

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>>146724145
>cherrypicking

>>146726148
western animation can do all that and better except for the sexiness

What is the thing that makes /co/ shitpost on /a/ more than any other board?

>>146722691
I am admittedly a pretty immature guy, I could probably just watch old nickelodeon shows for the rest of my life and be perfectly at peace, and anime is a way for me to pretend that I am more mature when really I am still just watching cartoons. It's the ultimate keikaku.

cgdct.

you can't find that anywhere else.

>>146728394
this

>>146728394
fuck off faggot

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>>146728555
After you kid.

Certain types of SoL including but not limited to CGDCT, I wish I was joking. For real though, it's not all I watch but it's nigh-impossible to find something like Geijutsuka or Sketchbook outside anime/manga.

>>146728655
imo cgdct is the worst thing about anime

>>146728433
then why aren't you watching steven universe
it has cute girls and better animation,plot and characters than most moe garbage

>>146728851
i like how japanese sounds

>>146728851
Not that guy, but I just don't like the animation of SU. I know nothing of the plot or characters though, so I shall withhold judgment on those aspects.

>>146728922
watch the Japanese dub

>>146722691
It is not western.

>>146728748
I'd agree for those that doesn't take advantage of the setting nor have any other pull other than telling us "these girls are cute, like them" and most of them are indeed shit. However, not all of them use throw-away settings and may even have decent characterization, and I adore those because I do like cute girls since they're relaxing as fuck to watch. Shallow as fuck reason? Probably, but we're talking about tastes in Taiwanese Puppetry here so sue me.

I do watch/read other things like literature, but I don't go around looking for cute girls for those.

>>146728987
you will get used to it and start to realize how amazing it can be especially the backgrounds

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>>146729026
no

Big eyes and expressive facial features that allow me to understand characters feelings easier than with real people.

>>146722691
I really dont know. I still watch some old western cartoons time to time but modern ones i really cant myself to get like them. I dont think anime is any better than anything west does but it just gets me more.

>>146729075
i mean that there alot

>>146728851
>su
>cute girls
>cute
>girls

Had to google what su was and I'm impressed that something like that is even popular in the US.

Not with that dogshit art they aren't.

>>146729331
>i mean that there alot
A lot of what? CGDCT stuff? Shit CGDCT stuff?

>>146722691
>Sakuga
>Cute girls doing cute things

>>146729345
watch it then say whether you like it or not
don't be a retard

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>>146729438
No, I'll stick with my chinese cartoons.

There are things that are possible in anime that live action wouldn't be able to pull off. Something like Madoka, for example, would never work in live action.

I also think people overstate the trashiness of anime. Sure, there's Naruto, SAO and IS, just like there's trash in every medium. But there's a lot more to anime than that.

>>146729563
They have to ruin everything

>>146729563
>cherrypicking
you don't want to bring up every harem,fujoshi,yuri, and moe anime now do you?

>>146729640
it's not just that
there are genres which are filled with trash like
harem
reverse harem
moe
yuri
fujoshi

>>146729165
western cartoons can do that alot better

>>146729834
Name one thing wrong with any of them.

>>146722691
its cartoons but for big adults like me ;D

>>146729906
And? Don't watch them if you don't like them.

I wonder why people are even here when they're so fundamentally against anime. Maybe it's just crossboarders trying to start shit.

>>146722691
Nothing really. I still watch western movies and rarely some western shows. But I guess eastern media has more variety.

>>146729987
OH where do i start
1 shit animation
2 extremely shitty plot
3 shitty characters
4 annoying and EXTREMELY OVERUSED cliches

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>>146723526
This although I despise western animation.
I guess the main draw to it is lolis, waifu material, cute girls in general, and cartoony faces adding to the comedy in ways westerners just can't comprehend nor is it possible in any other form. Oh... and QUALITY.

>>146730026
i watch harem and some yuri anime but you can't deny how fucking garbage they are

>>146726931
What is the thing that makes /a/ shitpost on /tv/ more than any other board?

>>146730353
Most of them are pretty bad, yes. Some anime being bad doesn't discredit the whole medium.

>>146729165
I'm sporry but nothing in chinese cartoons compares to subtle 3DPD acting

>>146730365
Because /tv/ is a dumping ground.

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the cultural aspects, and by that I mean anime culture. There are stories behind how anime was made, the evolution of the medium. There are big communities you can take part in and try to fit in. MAL helps you collect more anime to brag to the community about. There are some well defined masterpieces. It's just such a rich community and history, that also helps.

I prefer animation over live action, it looks better, and "mature" stuff is scary. In animation, I can watch mature stuff without leaving my comfort zone. Okay maybe this isn't it, but I do prefer animation. I just barely watch live action, very little. And Japanese animation is the best. Western cartoons have awful character designs and look like shit.
Someone on /co/ brought up French, which may be worthwhile, but it lacks the community aspects and the industry storylines of anime. It'd just be watching a cartoon for enjoyment. And then it's better to watch something Japanese instead, and you can increase your status in the anime community and get a better overview of a wide, well respected medium.

cute girls doing cute things, never bores me
and I like nip humor and tsukkomi

>>146730316
why do you despise it?
and do you honestly think that anime is better then live action?

>>146730026
>I wonder why people are even here when they're so fundamentally against anime
"Anime" is really fucking broad term. If you don't like SoL, cute girls doing cute things or harem shit doesn't mean you don't like the whole medium.

It's like saying you hate western shows because you don't like sitcom

>>146729906
Obviously? I mean, you don't go around looking at the Young Adult segment of your local bookstore too now, do you? Ignore that shit nigga, I ain't gonna read Twilight if I can just pick up something good instead.

Also, Moe and Fujoshi aren't genres, my crossboarding friend.

>>146730503
>art direction
CG movies usually do it better
>phorography
again CG movies and western cartoons do it better

>>146730604
>CG
fuck off pixar goon, we don't want your kind here

>>146730604
>>art direction
>CG movies usually do it better
Examples?

>>146730488
It's all SJW bs.

Live action as in actual films or live action adaptations of anime?

>>146730762
fucking every Pixar movie ever
most Dreamworks movies
most blockbuster movies

>>146730762
beowulf was shit but the cinematography was top notch

>>146730488
>why do you despise it?
He's a weeb.

>>146730878
what do consider SJW bs cus anime does have it?
movies and series

>>146731008
>unironically using weeb as an insult
>on /a/

>>146731008
>using weeb as an insult

Where do you think we are normalfag?

>>146731008
>weeb
kek

>>146731053
I was not using weeb as an insult, faggot.

>>146730634
you can't deny the quality of there work anon

>>146731161
they're

>>146731073
>unironically using normalfag as an insult

cuck

>>146730563
at least 70% of those genres are shit tho

>>146731275
I'm not denying that, friend.

mecha
literally all others genres are autistic and for faggots

>>146731207
>>146731161
IT'S FUCKING THEIR.

THEY ARE = THEY'RE
THERE =/= THEIR

Finish school, then kill yourself.

>>146731250
Weren't you people supposed to have already left back in 2014 during your "mass" exodous to infinity?

>>146731327
then why are you calling me a goon

>>146731425
you didn't have to say that anon
i actually didn't finish school so that really hurts my feelings :'(

>>146731425
Anime is nothing but trash. Even your father Miyazaki admitted to it.

western 2D animation is dead. Animation is a true composite medium, you can feel the individuality of every part of the piece.

>>146731527
I wish Miyazaki was my father. Then I can make shit anime movies since my father hates me but has a reputation to uphold.

>>146731633
That's why you're a weeb. You want to be japanese.

>>146731437
Goon? As in thugs and/or retards? What?

>>146731521
Get your GED then kill yourself.

I would only forgive you if English is a secondary language to you.

>>146731570
What killed 2d animation in the west?

I can easily watch something old like Hanna Barbera cartoons and find it charming/funny, fuck even spongebob stuff up to season 5 is good but I can't even try to get into the newer episodes.

>>146731705
But, Anon, I am Japanese.

>>146731718
it is somewhat
and westren animation is not dead that guy is a fucking retard

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>>146731737
sure

>>146722691
The big titties and cat girls.

Cute, colorful characters and universes that distract me from the depressing reality of our world and the comedy being great when done right.

>>146723579
seconded

Because of culture.
I love many Western works like LOTR. But modern Western culture is on a decline. I can't stomach the likes of Carrie Bradshaws and Kardashians.
I take solace in the fact that there is still beauty and delicate aesthetics in the east.

>>146732278
i see that argument a lot when i ask about the appeal of moe anime
maybe i am just not depressed

>>146732477
do you honestly give a shit about celebrities?
what are you? a fucking normie

>>146731893
Flash on TV, and 3DCG in theatrical releases. That's all of contemporary western animation.

Anime is a relatively incestuous industry, which makes it fun to watch different staff bounce off eachother and watch the result of their work. I've seen about 800 shows from all different time periods and I feel like I have a decent grasp on the relations between the different, for lack of a better word, zeitgeists. I really enjoy figuring out entire relational trees for a whole genre or medium, and with anime and even video games doing that is at least still possible.
I've tried to get into literature in the same way but there's just too much of it, it seems fucking hopeless to get a view as clear as what I want of all those thousands of years of writing.

I also just love the freedom of animation as compared to live action film. Anything can be drawn on any frame, no limits in terms of lighting, pacing or even proportions. Of course you can do a lot with props and CG nowadays, but it often ends up looking fake.

>>146732702
finally a good fucking response

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>>146732839
T-thanks, I was expecting to just be called a pretentious faggot

>>146732597
Do you honestly believe their culture isn't trickling down? From TV drama series to movies, that culture is evident everywhere. Many modern women in real life sound so vulgar to me, and men so crass that I can only look at literature from the 20th century as fantasy now. Hell I even hear people bringing up Kanye West in a headphone review. I'm honestly very sick of all this.

>>146732931
>hyouge mono
well now you will be.

>>146732931
i forgot how cancerous /a/ has become so i expect good responses like yours

>>146732702
Intertextuality is a meme that needs to stop.
A work should stand by its own merits. Enjoy a good work for what it is instead of making charts.

>>146733373
>in a thread about anime as a medium
I'm sure he's able to point to things in shows he likes that he likes about as well.

>>146733192
>their culture
it's your culture too you fucking idoit
>Many modern women in real life sound so vulgar to me, and men so crass
you care way too much anon
just leave the normies be

>>146733373
I enjoy both. It's not like I never watch movies or never watch books just because I can't get a birds eye view of the entire history of those media, it's just that I also enjoy less amazing anime because of the added intertextual qualities.

I don't like anime better than anything, I just enjoy shitposting on /a/

Modern Western animation uses tweening and I hate that.

Anime doesn't.

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>>146733697
>Anime doesn't.

>>146733527
>it's your culture too you fucking idoit
People are influenced by their surrounding culture, but are also allowed to choose what they personally value. That is how personalities and subcultures happen. I choose to reject the vulgar and declining parts of Western culture, while honoring the likes of Tolkien, Hermann Hesse, Beethoven,... Anime certainly has vulgar aspects too, but Japanese culture still has many things in common with my world view. I have a conservative sense of aesthetics, but I understand I'm in the minority these days, and don't begrudge that Western culture has chosen to leave me.

It has better music and doesn't look like something whipped up in an afternoon in flash. Also, there are series targeting young children don't insult their intelligence the way that equivalent western cartoons do.

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>>146734063
You typed all this with a straight face anon?
If it's bait, then congratulations, it worked.

>>146730879
that's like your opinion. I, who don't like the same trashy movies you like and who love Althouse cinema and high art can tell you I think all of those you mentioned have very poor art direction.
i mean, it's also my opinion. but at least I'm educated.

>>146734185
>there are series targeting young children don't insult their intelligence
did you watch any modern kid cartoons?

>>146734279
HAHAHAHAHA

Western shows typically try to go on as long as possible, while anime is typically 12-26 episodes and that's it. I like it when stories end and have closure.

>>146734424
Oh shit, /co/ is here

>>146730879
>fucking every Pixar movie ever
>most Dreamworks movies
>most blockbuster movies
Still can't compete to Ghibli or Hosoda or Shinkai. Pixar even admits how much influence Ghibli has over their works.

>>146734515
Who do you think started the thread?

Storylines can get pretty insane you would never get a show like samurai flamenco, gate, cross ange, Symphogear or even a charlotte from tv and cartoons they always tone down the crazy.

>>146734502
But anime has it's Bleach, One Piece, DBZ and many more.

>>146734502
most good anime tend to be longer tho

>>146732477
are you implying that japanese culture is not declining? They're a bunch of fucking degenerates. Even more so than westernshits

>>146734588
And the west has Gravity Falls, Stranger Things, and many more. There are plenty of exceptions on both sides, I'm just saying what's typical.

>>146734502
that's because they only make adaptations to promote the source material. which proves that anime is a fucking joke.

>>146734502
>hunter X hunter
>Gintama
>fma
>Evangelion

>>146734754
long does mean bad
just look at Bojack horseman

>>146734890
doesn't

>>146734890
Still better written than Mushishit.

>>146734828
Eva was 26 episodes and 2 movies. I dunno why you mentioned that.

>>146734990
kek

>>146734674
They are feeling the effects of Westernization. Their decline is secondhand compared to the source. Their society as a whole is still conservative.

>>146735069
that's not long to you?

>>146735150
It used to be normal for a series to run for 47-50 episodes, if not longer, so no. It's not.

>>146735150
In my original comment, I said 12-26 episodes, which the Evangelion show is, and movies don't add all that much more. Besides, my point wasn't entirely about length, but rather the existance of an ending that was planned from the start. Gravity Falls is 40 episodes, and that's one of my favorite shows.

the weird or different vibe it can give being animation instead of being live action

>>146722691
2D armpits obviously

>>146735137
Not really. Their decay is in fact because of their conservative nature.
If they weren't disgusting pigs who despise women irrationally then they wouldn't be obsessed with depicting sexuality and relationships in such a childish way.

>>146736043
Why do they love Miyazaki's movies with such strong feminist themes? Or is it just too subtle for them.

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>>146723526
>literature has better dialog and characters and plot

Wow, that's one sweeping generalization.
A lot of literature has much shittier dialogue and characters and plot. Just because they told you in high-school that kids should read doesn't mean that literature is in itself a great medium. It just goes to prove to what extent your educative system is filled with uncultured geezers that just romantice the past in a false way.
I bet the beatles are the best band ever and you were born in the wrong generation, too, right?

>movies have better scenery,aesthetics and soundtracks

See above. Though anime, being almost always a massive medium that tends to pander to otaku who are visually retarded tends to have pretty shitty art.
Some are great though, like eva or lain.

>western animation has better character design animation and backgrounds (just look at steven universe)

That's your opinion. Steven unverse looks like a flash cartoon though.

Absolutely nothing. I watch movies, anime, play video games , VNs, read books and manga. They all got their own merits and demerits.

I tend to watch more anime than movies though because I believe that some stories can't be told in just 2 hours with movies, as for TV shows I feel like they're restricted by too many things since they have to use real actors. Stuff like the children aging too much while filming GoT or those "attempts" at flashbacks with Walter wearing a wig showing "younger Walter" from Breaking Bad wouldn't happen in an anime. Animators just have more freedom and thus can come up with a crazier narrative.

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Western animation lacks both magical girls and mecha.
And their selection of fantasy cartoons is rather limited too.

>>146736043
>despise women
I see this meme a lot. When people talk bad about the Kardashians for instance, inevitably some schmuck will come along with a charge of misogyny. Sorry but it doesn't work on me as I am no longer an undergrad brainwashed by gender studies majors. If it is simplistic enough to help your simplistic mind sleep at night, more power to you.

At its core is the confusion between what is legal, what is moral, and what is beautiful. The values that make me see certain 'boring' things like sincerity and kindness as beautiful, do not mean I somehow despise women and men. People should not hide behind their gender whenever they face a lack of positive praise. That's for the professional victims in gender studies. We are responsible for our own decisions in life.

>>146736677
i am not just talking about western animation you fucking retard do you not know what visual media means

>>146736220
Do you think Miyazaki's movies are so femminist? I have seen a couple of them but It's not really my thing so I don't remember them being super revolutionary or anything in their themes.

>>146736727
why even compare things with live action? it's such a limiting medium if you're not cranking the special effects up to 11, which only works in movies due to the budget. i mean, look at the supergirl tv series. it laughable.

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>>146736043
>If they weren't disgusting pigs who despise women irrationally then they wouldn't be obsessed with depicting sexuality and relationships in such a childish way.

Fuck off UN, japanese women already told you to shut the fuck up.

>>146736735
Mononoke had very strong feminist themes, most of his protagonists are female. So yeah.

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>>146736727
there are even fewer magical girls or mecha outside animation

>>146736833
I don't give a fuck about any of that arguing.
Also why should I care about what Women's Institute of Contemporary Media Culture says about anything? Have you ever pondered on that or do you just replicate memes withouth thinking? As much I had figured.

I just don't want any more tacky panty shots or harem shit like that in my medium. Only beautiful, meaningful sex.

I just want the medium to be more beautiful because I see a huge potential in it.

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>>146736303
>A lot of literature has much shittier dialogue and characters and plot.
sure but so does anime,when you compare anime and literature in those aspects literature wins
>Steven universe looks like a flash cartoon though
you can't say that is you haven't watched it

>>146736883
But that's rather something that's politically correct that something that's feminist.
I don't really think Miyazaki is a feminist.

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>>146737079
>I just want
Yeah, well, the world doesn't give a shit about you.

>>146737068
magical girls shows are fucking retarded no one outside of you faggots wants to watch that shit

>>146737079
As someone who sits on his ass thousands of kilometers away from where this 'art' is produced without either supporting or making it yourself, why should anyone care about anything you say regarding it?

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>>146737116
I can see the cheap textures and brushes and effects in that picture you just posted man.
That does really look like a flash cartoon with a little bit of budget on top (not even much).

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>>146737192

It seems like live-action is extremely overrated.

Anime has an infinite canvas for creativity, the only limit being the artists imagination. In live action, actors, matter, and physics weigh you down. You can only film people do things that are humanly possible, and anything else has to be poorly crafted from CGI that doesn't blend at all.

In 2D animation, you can make whatever you want to happen, happen. Nothing is off limits. You don't have to worry about how good the actors are, you don't have to worry what can be done with physical sets. You can draw people however you want, making characters look and move exactly how you want instead of having to rely on real, pre-shaped actors to deliver lines, and move on sets. A live action film can never have the same level of perfection an animation can.

Of course, not all anime is anywhere near as good in practice, but when anime is really good, it's fucking amazing. At best a live action movie can be "good", and at worst it can be the most brain numbly bad piece of shit ever created. Anime can be bad, sure, but when anime is done well it always far surpasses anything a camera and actors can accomplish. It's because the creators can take their idea, and transmit it perfectly to the medium, instead of having to "adapt" their work through actors, lens, and sets.

The ratio of trashy film far outweighs the ratio of trashy anime. And the quality of top-tier anime exceeds above and beyond anything a live action movie or series could. Also, anime is much better at combing seriousness and lightheartedness into one medium. After having seen hundreds of anime, It's pretty laughable how silly western actors look trying to make everything be serious, and it's even worse when they do attempt humor because they have no sense of comedy at all. Very few western live action series are actually able to pull off being good, and it's often still only because the actors could turn the compromise of using real people in their favor.

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>>146737116
calling those clouds marshmallows would be a disservice to the intricacies of marshmallows.

>>146737232
like anime has any better
most anime backgrounds are just blue skies with clouds

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>>146737363

>>146737181

Your posts are boring.

>>146737189
>>146737224

Where did I say the world should give a fuck about my personal opinion?

But i think voicing my opinion, that, by the way, is shared by many people who love the shit out of this medium, is not in vain. The thing with opinions, as you surely know, is that when they hit critical mass they can get certain things to change.
And I also have fun discussing this medium I love.

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>>146737363

Low concentration of jews.

>>146737454
>is shared by many people who love the shit out of this medium
your echochamber is not my echochamber.

literature > books > theatre > theater > plays > kino > cinema > film > movies > anime > hentai > porn > cartoons > flicks > video games > Bollywood > gay porn > star wars > capeshit

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>>146737362
oh wow! look at those quality clouds dude it's not like anime has the same sky in every fucking show

>>146736220
>>146736735
>>146736883

It is a nonsensical red herring. You are making a flawed assumption that Japanese people are misogynists who shouldn't be able to enjoy Miyazaki's feminism. That flawed assumption comes from Western caricatures of conservatism itself. Believe it or not, the girls in Miyazaki's works ARE prime examples of good women. They are worlds apart from what you find on America's trashy dramas. Again, Western caricatures make you think somehow conservatism hates females with opinions. Turns out that is just narcissism by women justifying their own trashiness with feminism, and people actually hate females with shitty opinions.
Evidently you are gonna find shitty elements of Japanese culture, like the nationalists, the fascists or the actual wife-beating misogynists. But Western caricatures of conservatism are often also reflections of their own narcissism.

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>>146723526
>Just look at steven universe

>>146737608
shit bait m8

>>146737608
Hello /tv/. Let me blow your mind

Anime also comes in the cinema format. At some point in the past cartoons did too for that matter

>>146737363
>most anime backgrounds are just blue skies with clouds
Look out the fucking window

Your next line will probably be "b-but the sky changes colors, patterns, and style a lot"

Well guess the fuck what, anime follows and imitates those variations in often very beautiful ways. I've always liked when a good anime has a nice looking sky, they're universes above western animation which always has half assed bland skies, or just takes a fucking photo and slaps it onto the sky.

And before you show me some better examples, yes there are a few good western animations, but only a few. Western animation never left that infancy of being restricted to only a few genres, mostly just kiddy cartoons or badly done adult humor, Very rarely does a western animation step outside those boundaries to touch subjects like sci-fi, war, death, human nature, or anything artistic at all. Western animation has barely evolved in all it's existence, whereas anime covers every genre and style imaginable.

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>>146737627
fret not, anime supports cloud diversity

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>>146737533

And that says nothing.

>>146737608

You should read a lot more if you think mediums can be compared like that.

>>146737627

And that looks like low-budget indie game shit.
Do you even beauty?

Why are we getting raided by /co/ and /tv/ retards who hate anime and probably only think it's safe to watch a select few "serious anime"? And that retarded /tv/ ranking system is just pathetic.

>>146737632

That's really cheap, my poltard friend.
You're just overblowing Miyazaki to make the conservatives that are the japanese people look like they're not mysoginists. Miyazaki will be feminist when he talks about street harassment or comments on the way the medium portrays women in his works.

>>146737735
>they're universes above western animation which always has half assed bland skies, or just takes a fucking photo and slaps it onto the sky.
holy fucking shit did you even watch the show? no, don't fucking respond then
you made yourself look like a fucking retard

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>>146737926
>one thread slow-moving thread
>raid

>>146737803
and that supposed to be bad
most cheep indie games look better then anime imo

>>146737132
I don't think I would say a film isn't conveying strong feminist themes in which Women centered society is formed out of breaking the mold of women oppression with woman leader and Women doing what usually men would do and men being literally housewives. It has a lot of very strong feminist undertones my man and I think Miyazaki has talked a lot about why he prefers female protagonist over male.

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>>146722691
I dont, I'll watch just about anything

>>146737926

>Why doesn't everybody like the same trashy anime and discussions about pantsu I enjoy!

Fuck off, apologists of shit.

20 minute episodes. I don't have the attention span to watch a feature length film every day, but anime is designed for you to take a break every 20 minutes, which suits me fine. You don't get that flexibility out of anything else. Some Western cartoons have short episodes too but I've never heard of one that wasn't exclusively for children.

>>146737926
Guess nobody's taking their bait over there so they're trying again here.

>>146738204
>all non-serious anime is nothing but fanservice
You're a fucking idiot. I don't even watch most ecchi/harem shows unless I'm bored.

>>146738032
Not really. I am as conservative as I can be, and I know the women in Miyazki's works are good women. And I don't agree with street harassment either. Those things are common sense. It is only your own caricature of what a conservative should be, fed to you by gender studies majors, that prevents you from seeing it.

>>146738141

That's because you are uneducated.

>>146738152

But he's not really clear. He prefers female protagonists over male protagonists for non-feminist reasons.

Many posters on /a/ prefer female protagonists and they're not exactly feminists.

>>146722691
Western media's perspective is too tribal. Everything is manufactured to be between our ever-right heroes and the always-wrong villains. It's too personalized to the MC. The characters don't have individuality, they're written by their degree of difference to the writers' "golden" perspective.

In western media, could Misaka 10032 ever be best Misaka? No, she'd be written badly to ensure no focus was taken away from electroslut. This predictability makes things boring. I don't want my storytelling to be on the level of Fox News commentary.

Anime may have its indelible tropes, but at least they're different.

>>146738290
Then you must have watched like 3 shows I haven't.
Why the fuck am I from /co/ or /tv/ then?

>>146738322
>uneducated
kek

>>146736303
>he unironically believes anime has better plot, dialog, and character than literature

>>146738329
WTF! i bet you haven't watch any modern show

>>146738431
/lit/ would like to have a word with you.

>>146738431
>He STILL doesn't know what a sweeping generalization is.

Is there any point in discussing with someone this dense? I think not. See you.

>>146738329
This, anime has a far broader and more varied range than Western media, so while this means there will be a greater amount of bad series, there will also be a greater amount of good series. Western media has become stale to an extent that even the over done genres in anime have yet to reach. As shit as they are, most harem and ecchi series are still very unique from each other.

But when you watch one movie/series from any genre in western media, you've seen them all.

>>146737295
>the only limit being the artists imagination
I wish this myth would finally die. I'm surprised that people still believe this even if all we get is the same derivative garbage season after season.

>>146738525
it's not generalization if it's true

>>146738628
Sure, it is.

Anime just has a lot of variety. I don't really like it "more" than western media, but I end up watching it a lot more often because there's more types of anime that I like than there are types of western media I like. A large part of that is developing a taste for anime though, by that I mean learning to love cliches. If you look for depth in anime you'll be disappointed and probably burn out on it before you hit your mid 20s. Anime is a very shallow medium but it makes up for it with breadth. If you dive down looking for novelty within your narrow section of preferred genres you'll quickly run out of space to explore it, you have to go outside your self-imposed boundaries to find novelty in anime. And then eventually move past novelty.

>>146738600
That doesn't make it untrue, it just means that a lot of artists have a narrow imagination.

>>146738378
>Then you must have watched like 3 shows I haven't.
You must really overestimate how much anime is just harems or ecchi. I don't like to make an assumption of someone before I know more about them, but I feel like you probably don't watch any series if it looks too "moe" to you.

Most "moe" series don't have "pantsu" or fanservice.

>>146738329
This is bait right?

>>146738733
fucking good response anon you get a gold star

>>146737608
Anime is below capeshit. Katanagatari is trash compared to The Incredibles.

>>146738558
It's pretty amazing to think that western media has such a lack of creative or quality ideas, that anime can be seen as the more worthwhile medium right now.

>>146738780
You can watch your CGDCT shows all you want.

Most people who watch those shows, though, are aware that they're really trashy and low risk and are not good indicators of the potential of the medium.

>>146738772
No, it means that the producers, budget and commercialization create huge limitations. That's why the most experimental and interesting anime are usually shorts. It's easier to make a good indie film than to make a good indie anime.

>>146738322
>But he's not really clear. He prefers female protagonists over male protagonists for non-feminist reasons.
That doesn't in any way deny the feminist themes his movies try to convey. He's not as radical about his feminism as westerns are but he is a feminist. Search up his comments about females in Anime and how their objectification triggers him.

I watch it for
>cute girls
>some decent fight scenes from time to time
>some nonsensical storylines that are really entertaining
>escapism

>>146738995
It really can't.

The fact that the animation in fucking Snow White, which was released almost 80 years ago, is better than over 90% of anime these days says a lot about how shitty japanese animation actually is.

>>146738558
>But when you watch one movie/series from any genre in western media, you've seen them all.
What? western media is still going strong, despite the fact that every premise has been tried and done at this point.
Western media is much, much more than just what you see in the cinema and the blockbusters.

>>146738974
Look, we're sorry comics are a laughing stock of modern society. Don't take out your anger with troll posts here, go yell at your own industry.

>>146722691
The stylized animation and DEEP themes. Something about american animation seems so stiff. In Japanese animation there's perspective, there's flow, there's intensity. Compare the animation in Flashpoint or the killing Joke to something like One Punchman or Fullmetal alchemist. The only american animation that last did this was Avatar and Korra.

And the subject matter in anime has a high frequency of mature themes for mature people such as myself. The mature themed stories in American animation are outliers. The shows that did have consistently mature themes have all been cancelled (Justice League, Young Justice, Batman the animated series etc.).

It's not jewish.

>>146739003
If you watch anime for "the potential of the medium" you probably don't enjoy 99% of anime, which is to say you don't really like anime as a whole. I find people with your attitude usually have some ideal or perfect vision for what anime "should be" in their heads, and that's what they like. Not the actual living, breathing medium, but some idealized form of it that has no bearing on reality.

>>146738470
The number of anime that are even close to great literature can be counted on one hand.

>>146739100
Oh ok I guess I'll just change my mind because this random retard wrote one sentence.

>>146729165
This

>>146739129
He's right though. The Incredibles is way better than Katanagatari.

If you don't like anime, why do you even post on /a/? It's probably not that most anime is bad, it's just not for your tastes. I used to hate anime myself, I didn't understand it's appeal. But anime has done a lot to shatter my preconceptions of what can and can't be a good story element. Just because something is serious, doesn't make it good, and something that is silly and cute at first glance can have far greater meaningfulness than something serious.

I think western culture is far too narrow minded when it comes to things, ironically, because while they have things like sex, violence, and serious themes like drugs and what have you, that's ALL they have, and only being open minded in one direction, isn't open minded at all.

Anime on the other hand can touch any number of topics and subjects from the silly and mundane to the serious and heavy, all in the same series.

>>146739136
i am not talking about animation only

>>146739184
Really? I can't think of a single one.

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>>146722691
[01] Anime isn't limited by real world limitations (locations, physics, lighting, ect.).
[02] Shows tend to only last >26 episodes.
[03] Transitioning between shots is smoother.

The only downside for me is you can't convey the physical side of human emotions well.

>>146738995
>It's pretty amazing to think that western media has such a lack of creative or quality ideas
That's not true at all.
>>146739184
I really don't think a single anime comes close, it's really not on par with some of literature's greatest.

>>146739286
>>146739327
I was being extra generous.

>>146739277
nah,bro i like anime but i can admit its inferiority to other forms entertainment in some aspects

Anime can't even compete with great genre fiction like LOTR or Dune.

>>146723526
>literature has better dialog and characters and plot
You can say the same about western cartoons though, and maybe even about films for the largest part.

>>146739003
>You can watch your CGDCT shows all you want.
Again you've just generalized all "moe" series as one thing. I don't watch CGDCT, I've only seen one series of CGDCT.

But anyway, before we continue, what DO you like of anime. I'm sure you've at least seen some or you wouldn't post on this board. what do you consider to be "good anime"?

>>146739231
The incredibles isn't capeshit. Not everything with a super hero is immediately capeshit. It's fucking animated as well. and you're comparing a film to a series? Its just a matter of opinion. Not to mention that movie came out 12 fucking years ago. How is it relevant to talking about the current state of film?

>>146739310
third good response so far

>>146739428

>This is what geezers actually believe.

>>146739310
>The only downside for me is you can't convey the physical side of human emotions well
Actors are shit at this too, only the very top-tier actors can do this well.

>>146739456
yeah sure
i am not saying that i prefer western animation.i am just saying that it does somethings better then anime

>>146739105
How does the passing of 80 years somehow diminish the thousands of man-hours put into animating a project? People on /a/ don't really seem to understand that the determining factor for quality is most usually just time, which is in turn influenced by budget. If you only have enough money to pay for X weeks of work from an animation studio, then that determines how many man-hours of work get put into it. Of course for TV anime you have to work according to a TV broadcast schedule, so there's a cap on how much budget will actually help a TV anime because even if you had enough money to pay every animator in the studio to work on it a studio likely wouldn't do such a thing because it would be pouring too many of their assets into one project. Thus there's a pretty firm cap on anime budgets so they range from 1.5 to 4 million USD without much variation.

I don't watch anime. I kind of wish there was a manga board desu.

>>146739473
>The incredibles isn't capeshit
It literally is you mong.

>>146739428
Probably because those two are critically acclaimed, hell, not even movies can compare to some of literature's greatest, although the LOTR series was fucking amazing.
Like, I don't think there will ever be a movie that manages to capture the writing and scenery of Blood meridian, especially not in my lifetime.
>>146739373
Fair enough.

>>146739222
Or you can just start actually watching Western films (or any live action films for that matter).

>>146739286
Two completely different media. You can compare anime to live action films or TV series, but not to literature.

>>146739625
Go back to /co/ where people care.

Why are you faggots here? The crossboarder posts itt are about as informed as a soccer moms opinion on videogames.

>>146739428
Dune isn't even good Sci-fi, its a good Fantasy book but thats about it. As far as proper Science Fiction goes its trash.
LOTR is a average triology until you read more of Tolkien works which make it more enjoyable due to the mythology it created.
Beserk and the Nausicaa managa are pretty close to LOTR in terms of fantasy IMO

Some anime involve subjects that aren't properly explored in live action, or can't be explored due to their obvious limitations.

And for books, to be frank, I find anime easier because reading is more time consuming and more intensive than just watching.

>>146739628
Wanna guess how I know youre 17? You read your first non coloring book as Blood Meridian and you probably came away thinking CornCob McCarthy is a genius. Shit I thought people went through that phase when it was required reading in middle school, but not past 14. damn son, if you're going to try and be pretentious about literature, at least don't out yourself in the second post.

>>146739585
The problem with manga is that the majority of mangaka are terrible writers. They might be good artists, but the writing isn't just as good as say something like The Wire.

>>146739628
No Country for Old Men is pretty great adaptation imo.

>>146739801
>Beserk is pretty close to LOTR in terms of fantasy
No way.
If you won't accept Dune then how about Foundation?

>>146739786
My guess is they grew disillusioned with western entertainment and turned to anime for an alternative. They might have only seen a couple anime like Cowboy Bebop, but used to build this unrealistic expectation for what anime should be. Naturally they were embittered by the reality that anime is not all like Cowboy Bebop. Perhaps if they were more mentally mature they could have realized it was merely their own ideals and unrealistic expectations which created their disappointment, and that making demands of a medium they do not even watch is absurd, yet here they are, complaining on /a/ about how anime isn't at all like they want it to be.

>>146739585
Same, I just wish there was a comics board too.

>>146728851
I'll give you SU for animation, but cute girls?
Please, I'd rather fap to pony

>>146739955
The problem with otaku industry (manga/anime/visual novels and so on) is its homogeneity. It really seems like the majority of authors read only manga, watch only anime, and play only Japanese video games. They lack inspiration.

>>146739925
Rude! Even if I mentioned anything else, you would still call me a pretentious twat.
It's not my favorite book, It just came up in my mind and I found it good to use as an analogy.

>>146739801
>Berserk pretty close to LOTR
literally retching. Berserk fans pretty much have some complex about their long running meandering 'epic' fantasy by now.

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>>146739786
Anime is trash according to Miyazaki. His opinion obviously holds more weight than whatever the fuck some anon believes.

>>146740230
LOGH is a cool book for nerds because of the lore. The story and characters are pretty weak.

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>>146739231
>>146738974
>Kids shit being better
Not even the top 5 of Pixar.

>>146739801
Berserk is closer to game of thrones than to LoTR.

>>146740209
You probably don't even realize the logical paradox your post has created that renders your opinion inherently ridiculous.

>>146740323
Still better than Katanagatari.

>>146731893
>horrible quality cartoons like clarence and SU
>all of those are done by fucking koreans

>>146739462
I like the fact that the medium seems to have a big ease to put out genre bending, tone changing shows like Eva, Berserk, Lain, Ping Pong or NHK but not only tightly executed classics, also stuff like Shinsekai Yori or even Parasyte.

There's nothing wrong with loving the medium by its riskier works though.

I also like moving/atmospheric/chill shows and sometimes watch one or two battle shounens or death note but that isn't where I see the potential in the medium.

>>146740347
There is no logical paradox. Mangaka influenced by other media usually produce pretty good works. Berserk, Vinland Saga or Vagabond are all good examples.

>>146739105
And look the declining of 2d western animations today

>>146740501
Of course when it comes to anime the produces hate to take a risk. That's why we get GuP instead of a show with actual soldiers in a war.

On the one hand you have people who like anime for what it is,on the other side you have cross posting retards who just want muh dark and mature shows. Essentially they want western media animated by Japan.

>>146740501
You say mangaka only read other manga and only watch anime so they lack inspiration. You say this like you have an outside perspective and know what anime and manga lacks. In order to make that kind of sweeping generalization about anime and manga you'd have to consume anime and manga on a prodigious level for your opinion on the content of the medium to have any weight to it, yet if you were that deep into the medium you'd lack just as much perspective as the mangaka you're chastising making your claims about novelty just as irrelevant as your claims about the medium would be if you were an outsider who'd read/watched nothing. QED your position requires you to have two entirely separate perspectives on the medium which are mutually exclusive to one another in that having one renders one's opinion on the other irrelevant.

>>146739955
The Wire is probably one of the best liver actions shows ever though?
There is a lot of well written manga thematically speaking, which is what The Wire excels at (also fleshed out characters)
Things like Mushishi, YKK, Aria and Punpun are good character or theme based stories.
>>146740114
Again space sci-fi rarely gets sci fi right, its too grandiose and fantasy based. Philip K Dick and Bradbury are better sci fi authors just because they feel more grounded and explore more realistic social themes with regards to scientific advancements and how culture and society cope or struggle to cope with it.
>>146740230
Beserk is probably one of the more enjoyable pure Fantasy manga's, its gone downhill 'recently' but the Golden Age arc and a bit after that was well developed Fantasy. LOTR is pretty overrated Fantasy on it own, it was a lot more enoyable when you read other Tolkien works to flesh out the lore and world a lot more. You can't compare literature directly to Manga as Literature as it's not relying on frames or weekly/monthly publications to tie the story together.

Anyway this is all my opinion, simple as stop trying to act so self righteous if you aren't gonna put anything else up for discussion, its easy to be a critic. I enjoy Live Action, Literature, Manga and Anime as entertainment forms, none are better than the other, each has things it does better than the other.

>>146740727
Honestly, after the 90s, western animation in 2D reached its peak.

>>146740330
have a look at the later chapters you doofus

I like cool fights, cute girls, and the fact anime has a much broader scope of what it can show. As a visual medium, anime is far superior to something like live action which can only show people doing things that are physically possible on sets that are available. The only sacrifice is the level of realism, but in my opinion it's more appealing to watch an animation than a live action film, it's much easier to draw the right detail to draw the viewers attention.

It's better than western animation because, while western animations often have higher budgets and actual animation quality, the range of what they show is still extremely ,limited, probably because western animation hasn't grown much from it's roots in disneys kids movies about animals and grimms fairy tales.

Of course I like live action for some things, if I want a very serious story about some aspects human nature, but there are only a few types of live action movies and series that appeal to me, and they aren't done very often.

Besides, I'm not a very serious person and I don't take life, as most people consider living anyway, very seriously. I think there is an underestimated value in light lightheartedness and simplicity. Western media in the form of cartoons somewhat manages to capture that, but it fails to fully grasp it because it still does not see it's own value in lightheartedness and simplicity. It still is only seen as something "for kids" and hasn't been given the same attention it has been in japan where lightheartedness and humor is seen as important to all ages and thus is given much more care and thought when being made.

I don't think I explained properly what I meant because I'm pretty bad at complex communication, but you might get the idea

tl,dr: Anime portrays a simple yet important part of human nature which western media does not value very much at all. Some people might call it shallow, but there's a beauty in it's shallowness that no other media can capture.

>>146740772
>Essentially they want western media animated by Japan
What's wrong with that? Western influences make good anime.

>>146740772
Exactly this. This entire thread can be boiled down to idealists who don't really watch anime and realists who watch it regularly. I look at their posts and they've seen basically nothing, less than 20 shows even. Their lack of exposure to anime as a whole is appalling, yet they still try to act informed and knowledgeable because they watched a pre-selected list of shows.

>>146740839
>Things like Mushishi, YKK, Aria and Punpun are good character or theme based stories.

I've read Punpun and Mushishi and they don't even have even the same amount of character depth as something like Boardwalk Empire.

>>146740250
And john lasseter was killing hand drawn animation in the west
What's your point?

>>146740377
Kek no. And if you were going to make a case about capeshit, at least could've gone with some good comics that have artistic value instead of overrated Pixar garbage.

>>146741176
Overrated Pixar garbage is still better than overrated Nisio garbage.

>>146740772
They're just bitter their interest died years ago and is controlled by a social justice agenda so they want everything to be shit to match their cynicsm. Unfortunately their board also died of terminal cancer years ago and it's fairly easy to notice their specific blend of entitled and ignorant newfaggotry.

>>146741113
Or maybe people just want more good creative shows?

>>146741177
Also, are you implying that Nisio has some artistic value? He's a terrible writer

>>146741328
There's plenty of good and creative shows already, more get made every year. But you have to actually like anime to find them enjoyable. Your problem is you don't actually like anime, you like the idea of anime in your own mind.

>>146741297
/a/ has always been a cancerous shithole.

>>146741400
It just sounds like you have stockholm syndrome.

>>146741147
Mushishi is a theme based manga more so than a character one, same with Punpun but it does create some more fleshed out characters in regards to normal manga which focus a lot on tropes. You are never going to have many manga which do realistic fleshed out characters as they aren't want the general readers look for, character interactions are usually the major focus of most manga rather than how fleshed out the characters are. The characters in the manga I said though feel a lot more 'real' than your everyday manga, there are a lot of other examples like the NHK, Kurosawa or LOGH, which still have tropes but makes them feel a lot more grounded in reality.

>>146741328
Or maybe you're just a faggot who only responds with shitposts?

>>146741400
Stop being deluded. I've seen plenty of anime and it just doesn't compare. Japan in general is behind in pretty much everything compared to the west.

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>>146740772
They're like kids who just found something for the first time and are disappointed it isn't exactly what they expected.

>>146741492
I know. Its like, I've seen over 50 anime, I think I know what im talking about. Lol must be weebs or something

cute girls wearing skirts

>>146741400
Anime refers to Japanese animation, it's not some completely unique art form. There are all kinds of anime and I can like some of them and dislike others. I dislike capeshit but that doesn't mean I hate American cinema.

>>146741429
>>146741492
Yes obviously I must be deluded because I actually enjoy anime. It's impossible that anyone could LIKE something that you don't, right? Do you even realize how stupidly cynical you both are? How ridiculous you look? You sit there insisting that anyone who enjoys anime is deluded, that only your arbitrary standards matter and anyone else is just "pretending" to enjoy it, even as the anime industry continues growing, getting bigger and more diverse every year. Even while cynics like you claim "anime is dying" or even that it died years ago, the real world keeps on turning despite you.

If you want to see delusion look in a mirror.

>>146722691
Anime usually have better variety in ideas and premises. Western animation usually plays it safe, while many japanese creators don't give a fuck and dish out some crazy shit.

>>146741661
Aesthetics are objective.

>>146741705
You are objectively wrong.

>>146741253
Please, even you must realized Pixar is lacking in quality lately
I mean, why must they resort to sequels now? Where's all the original story?

>>146741579
I'm just being realistic. Anime as a medium is pretty much irrelevant and they can't compete with what the west have to offer. Even in videogames Japan has become a joke.

>>146722691
it's not full of the wests shitty propaganda

>>146741492
Most Live action shows are garabage, only a few are actually worthy of praise.
Same with Anime/Manga, there is a lot of tripe rehashed shit but still there is a few really good well directed shows or whatever your looking for. You just need to stop being so critical because its anime, it's aimed at a smaller demographic and to a different Culture so there are bound to be things lost in translation or stuff you wont 'get' because you where raised on western media.

>>146741400
>Your problem is you don't actually like anime, you like the idea of anime in your own mind.
WTF is that supposed to mean?

>>146741757
And why does that matter? The only people I see comparing anime to other media are people who don't watch much anime to begin with.

Why limit yourself to only anime though

I did that when I was 16 because admittedly I was a weeabo faggot. But seriously people just watch live action films (western or not), read, listen to music, play good videogames. There's plenty of good stuff

>>146741492
This is false though. Generally, there's more good japanese videogames than western ones. Japanese movies are top tier too (Ozu, Kurosawa, Kobayashi). And Rallizes Denudé are japanese.

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>>146741506
>grain
>hair looks like licorice
>clothes look like cheap doll outfits

>>146741759
Instead we get cute shows sponsored by the Japanese government begging their people to get kids. I like it.

>>146741757
>what is Tales of Kaguya

>prefer anime over other forms of visual entertainment media
Why do I have to prefer it? Is it that wrong to just enjoy it along with other forms of entertainment media?

>>146741788
It's not hard to understand. They've created expectations for what anime should be and that's what they love about anime. Their own imaginary expectations, not the actual anime medium, which they have very little experience with.

>>146741851
see that's the kind of shit I can get behind

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>this thread

>>146741883
People with narrow tastes tend to be very judgemental and treat quality as a zero-sum game.

>>146741907
I like Anime as an entertainment medium where you have vast and diverse content. People can like it for edgy shit, CGDCT, thought provoking material all the same. They can appreciate anime as a medium for either of those or all of those, that means in the end they like Anime.

>>146741883
Ssshh, you'll have /co/ and /tv/ with that kind of post
Oh wait, they're already here

Anime for the most part is very juvenile.
Can you name even one anime with characters as good as the Sopranoes?

>>146742213
SpongeBob squarepants.

>>146742119
Don't come whining to /a/ when it turns out anime isn't all game of thrones though.

>>146742213
no because your mouth is so full of wop dick that you won't accept anything being on the same level as sopranoes

>>146742213
Avatar.
>>146742322
That's just cross board shitposting, I've never seen somebody unironicaly say they hate the fact that it's not all the same.

>>146741883
There's no cure for shit taste.

>>146742213
it may suprise you to know, that different people can enjoy different things

>>146742119
Accepting the diversity anime is part of liking it. If you only watch anime for one very narrow genre then declare "anime is shit" once you can't find any more shows in that genre you were never really into anime to begin with. It was just one of several media you plundered to get the kind of stories you wanted. In the end such people are not picky about media, what they really want is stories that will cater to their interests.

And while such people might have an overlap with the embittered idealists I'm describing, they're not necessarily the same. I'm speaking more of people who saw anime as some promised land, and alternative to "childish" western media and came to it expecting a wellspring of "deep and mature themes" only to find it's just more escapist entertainment, only given an exotic oriental flavoring. This expectation, this idea of anime as a serious and mature medium is something that only existed in their minds yet they cling to it as if it were the "real" anime.

>>146742213
No.

>>146742213
Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Gankutsuou, Mushishi, Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu and Hajime no Ippo for example.
Now watch him deny everything.

>>146741786
Shit like Big Bang Theory or Modern Family is still less cancerous than otaku pandering trash like Monogatari and Haruhi.

>>146741883
i asked people who do
if you don't then don't fucking post

>>146742549
No need to deny bait posts like yours

>>146742436
Nothing is on the same level as the sopranoes as far as tv series go though.

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I watch it for pretty colors and crazy over the top shit.

>>146742476
>came to it expecting a wellspring of "deep and mature themes" only to find it's just more escapist entertainment, only given an exotic oriental flavoring.
Wew that's a one sweeping generalization of a medium you imply to like lad.

>>146742761
yeah, that's how opinions works.

>>146722691

15~ years ago US TV was over saturated with shitty cop procedural shows. There was few serial works, anime provided that serial entertainment I preferred.

>why not read books
I did.
>why not watch UK/ other English speaking works
Same sort of problem, very few and that UK stuff wasn't always up my alley.

Maybe I'm more cynical now but anime has somewhat stagnated, there's too much emphasis on adaption, rather than original work. The directing has also become stale, loosing some of the charm I initially saw in it.

I've long since dropped from 20+ series per season to actually finishing barely 5. In return I've picked up more manga, more US TV, games and some reading. On the US TV front, the options exploded and have gotten better over the last decade.

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The thing about anime are the feels.
It brings out my emotions and makes me feel like a kid again. And the story telling is excellent. Also I have an affinity to eastern cultures because I'm from south Asia, they make me feel more comfortable compared to the more hard and rash western culture.

>>146742958
>erased
bad example

>>146742928
>Maybe I'm more cynical now but anime has somewhat stagnated
That's just nostalgia speaking. Outside of a few exceptions, anime was always stale shit and derivative compared to the works of the western world.

>>146742958
>posts trash like erased

Awful meme post desu

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>>146742213

They're well designed, but hypocritical and irrational psychopaths resonate with me the wrong way. Those kind of people that you find in the criminal world are irritating, self-destructive, and have a lack of communication skills. The human condition can be looked at from many angles anyway. If I want a 'fuck this gay earth' story, I'll read a manga like Berserk or Gantz.

Like it or not, anime and manga are made with avant-garde. It's what a person turns to after gorging on a lifetime of Western media, which is turning into an SJW fest orchestrated by cheap Lambrusco wine drinks with aesthetic relativism on their mind.

>>146743065

western tv doesnt have sol or iyashikei, so it obviously loses

>>146741752
Anime is such a shitty medium that it can't even get sequels because the adaptations are just advertisement for the source material. That's how half-assed the anime industry actually is.

i love how this thread got fucking derailed

>>146742928
20 series a season? That's a lot of crap you put yourself through so I could understand a bit of burn out.

I think there is a lack of original stories across all visual media. I'm not sure if it's because there are less good ideas, or if the focus is just so heavy on adapting any IP you own that there's no room for an original and unproven entry. TV has certainly exploded in terms of sheer amount of choice, but there's only so many good shows. I would say TV is in a less interesting spot now than say 5 years ago which was at the start of the streaming/Netflix era.

>>146743175
The Sopranos is a realistic depiction of mobsters. Were you expecting fanservice of AJ and Meadow sleeping together?

>>146743065

Probably, early on it provided that nice expanse of new I wanted.

Neither US TV or anime provided 'realism' in terms of characterization or world construction. For the sake of this I'm ignoring documentaries, educational stuff etc and focusing on the fictional entertainment only (clearly anime/manga cannot provide this, it's not worth drawing this when recording it would be easier).

Written literature provides the best wide expanse of topics, simply because it can be produced by a single individual on a small budget. Where are anime and TV are more business first, story second. And often have conflicting issues from management/money people and the countless writers working on the work.

'Works of the western world' if you use that sort of perspective, sure. I can't watch/read french, russian, german, anything that's not english. You're comparing single nation to basically an entire continent, there's no contest there in terms of different views, experiences and audiences. The few french films I've watched I did not like, I simply lean towards US materials and anime.

Is this crossboard shitposting between /a/ and/co/ going because of Akira storytime threads on /co/?

>>146722691
The drawings are pretty, somewhat detailed and generally happy.

>>146722691
Emotion
pathos
moral relativity
actual effort from the creators

>>146742589

That's just how it is. Why do you think live adapations of anime are never good? Because the original material was never good to begin with. The only decent one was Speed Racer.

>>146742213
Boku No Pico

>>146743526
how would you even know that you crossboarding cunt?

>>146743669
You do know people visit more than one board daily on 4chan right?

>>146722691
>bright colors
>funny and lewd at the same time (especially on topics considered taboo in practically all western media)
the biggest thing is inner monologues. in western media it's "SO COMPLEX" and "ARTSY" to leave everything up to the viewer to interpret when in reality it's just shitty fucking writing.

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>>146743272
Sometimes, a clear end is better than having a sequel
And most anime don't have sequels because the studio doesn't have enough budget to deal with
Why are you here anyway? You clearly don't like anime

>>146743717
then don't bitch about crossboarders if you do it yourself

>>146743737

I only hate that sort of thing when motivations or various decisions could have multiple answers for what drives a choice or situation. Show not tell does work, but the show has to be incredibly blunt or a viewer can dream up countless 'what ifs' to explain a situation. And that for me is somewhat unsatisfying.

>>146743526
>going to /co/ ever
fuck off and stay on your reddit2.0 board

>>146743888
>reddit2.0
I thought it was tumblr?

>>146731377
>unironically liking stories about wars being won by angsty teenagers operating the most absurd piece of fictional technology ever imagined
>calling someone autistic

>>146743888
Anon I've been here since 09, /a/ unironicaly likes Urobuchi, Kyoani and have very thinly veiled recommendations thread, this place is just as Reddit.

>>146743737

Inner monologues are fine and plenty of 3DPD relies on that. Inner expository monologues are just inexcusable and most Anime and Manga out there is oversaturated with that shit.

>>146722691
I like how Japan treats animation as kids entertainment and adult entertainment, no "you can't watch cartoons anymore because you have reached this arbitrary age we have set", also SoL.