Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1660

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みんな遅いなぁ～

How long does it take to learn Japanese until you can watch anime without subtitles?

>>146719231
Depends what kind of anime

SoL maybe like half a year to a year depending on how much time you spend studying

Anything more plot heavy would be like double that time or so

>>146719231
Yes how long does it take skipping reading altogether?

>>146719231
people here will tell you anywhere from 2 months to 5 years
im at 9 months and i can watch SoL and miss a few words here or there but even what i do get i dont trust very much

currently trying to watch hidamari sketch honeycomb with kisenekko subs, agth hooked and grabbing unknown grammar and words but i don't know if its helping

osoi

where is the public view of site feedback submissions

>>146719367
>>146719406
>>146719408
Thanks. I'm not sure if I should start learning Japanese, it's probably not worth it for me.

>>146719454
It requires a lot of time and dedication, if you're not so sure right off the bat then it's unlikely you'd be able to follow all the way through, unless you got really hooked once you started

>>146719487
Alright, thanks for the help, senpai

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おはようおにいちゃん

あまいものたべたい

どくでもいいから

>>146719859
フィンランドの甘いパン

>>146719859
チョコはいくら円だっけ

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>>146719859
いもうとさん食べたい

>>146719231
I've been at it for two years and I can only understand about a third of your average sol show.

I'm having some trouble with 田舎 slang

How do I parse

>通りゃんせ

I know the first part is 通れば but what about the ending?

>>146720840
Do you not play many VNs by any chance?

I'm over a year in and my listening comprehension is pretty bad, and I've always linked it to the fact that I spent pretty much the entire 1+ year reading manga and LNs, as opposed to VNs like most people on here seem to

>>146720814
このロリコンどもめ！

>>146720927
I don't really read anything, be it VNs or manga. My studies are pretty much limited to doing 6 new words a day in Anki and occasionally mining some words from English subbed anime.

>>146720851
On second thought it's probably 通らなければあかん

Oops several pages in the KKLC upload are upside-down
Please help vet it so that I don't make a new upload that still has remaining mistakes (mis-scans, stray hairs, misplaced pages, flipped images, etc)

>>146720851
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/2538252.html

>>146721088
Oh, well that makes sense

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>>146720851
とーりゃんせは、古語だよ

呪文の一種だとおもうよ

>>146721306
thx

>>146721301
Patch of the flipped pages in that KKLC upload:
https://mega.nz/#!CEY2xS6Q!szEQTsj07oCykmuRO8Yh-wvjezR4jOmMrJ2T23gqZWk

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daily zoi thread

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Listen here punk, you have a choice. Do the work, or don't. Laziness and procrastination are completely irrelevant. You CHOOSE. You choose to do the work, or you choose not to. If you choose not to, you're done, get out of here. If you choose to do the work, then a schedule will keep you in the flow.

Motivation is a crutch and a temporary high. If you depend on motivation in order to do something then you will never accomplish any significant long-term goal. Willpower, a good work ethic, and developing a routine of studying/working towards your goal is what yields results. Needing to feel constantly motivated will work in the beginning, but that's about it.

>>146722120
t. N3

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>>146722088

>>146722120
You're assuming humans have free will, which is utterly wrong.

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>>146722199
True, but you have radical freedom.

the best part if KKLC is that it warns you that you have to read

>>146722277
It's too small to read, what does it say?

>>146722507
It says "open it in an image editor and rotate the hue if you're red-green colorblind"

>>146722180
Who's making all these and where do I go for regular updates?

>>146722533
>too small to read
>rotate the hue if you're red-green colorblind

>whatthefuckamireading.jpg.png

>>146722792
I mean the text itself is normally sized if you actually opened the image

If you're on a high DPI display you should obviously zoom in the image like anyone that's not retarded would realize

The fact that the text is red-on-cyan is the only thing that would make the image hard to read even after making the text large enough to read

>>146722823
I'm not him, I just found your response funny.

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おはようございまんこ
ってのは、日本では流行るフレーズだよ。よく使え

>>146722621
http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/tag/今日も一日がんばるぞい！

>>146722901
It's okay, I channel my autism for the purposes of entertainment only.

>>146722868
いつもお疲れ様です、ぞいさん

>>146722913
アリゲーターございます、先π

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160904/k10010669551000.html

>警察によりますと、行方がわからなくなっているのは市内の高校に通う１年生の男子生徒２人で、当時、部活の仲間たちと河川敷で遊んでいたということです。一緒にいた生徒は「５人で対岸まで泳ごうとしたら、このうち２人が流されてしまった」と話しているということです。

What was their plan?

私たちはerpをしてばどうね？

>>146723670
>>>/jp/

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(・_・;)

Beginner question, but why do I often see "wwww" at the end of many comments on japanese websites and youtube videos? Is it a shitposting thing or something I should actually pay attention to?

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What does this say on my jeans? Google translate thinks it's chink but this brand is well known for using nip on it's clothing ironically.

>>146724208
It's the Japanese equivalent of "lol" more or less.
Comes from 笑う.

>>146724208
It's just their version of "lol".

>>146719231
/a/ will give different answers, but you have to take it with a grain of salt because no one wants to admit they've spent years only to understand the gist of an episode.

>>146724224
The pleasure of being cummed inside. It's a model for faggots.

>>146724224
Looks pretty chinky to me

>>146719231
2 months to learn some basic phrases and grammar and then pretend on /a/ that you can understand the gist of whole episode.

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>>146719231
Watching TV and live action helps more than anime alone. Also playing VNs to improve reading comp.

Speaking of TV anyone in for watching https://terebi.tzn.re ? Sever 2 seems more stable right now.

>>146724666
Jeez japs are fucking tiny

Ladybeard could just pick one of them up and use them as an onahole

>>146724666
>Speaking of TV anyone in for watching https://terebi.tzn.re ? Sever 2 seems more stable right now.

Only if there's something interesting on you gotta sell it dude

>>146724853
IM STILL LOOKING OK もう～！

>Tfw just got 注 wrong despite being on volume 8 of kino no tabi

The lack of context in anki really does lower your abilities by like 80%

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>>146724571
I don't think so, it's a popular britbong brand that plasters nip on everything in shitty Japanese, just like Japan has clothing with shitty Engrish on it.

I don't understand grammatical constructions.

Simple sentences with basic verb conjugations are fine. But anything more complex like: "After buying something from the store, I went home" fucks me up.

How much does missing three days of reps mess you up?

>>146725421
clauses
l
a
u
s
e
s

>>146725421
Just keep practicing. Break it up into little pieces.

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>>146724816
Yup, I felt like a giant there

>pic related

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>>146725421

>>146725298
Yeah I know, I too am a britbong, but those characters don't really look too Japanese, it's got what looks like a 节 in it which isn't Japanese, and I don't recognise the two characters before that one either

Could be that they used to use Chinese on that shit too, it does say vintage on it after all, usually when it's jap it says "SuperdryJPN" or whatever anyway, or has hiragana like in your pic

But idk it could just be because I'm shit at Japanese so don't take my word for it

>>146725635
>Contaminating Japan with your disgusting whiteness

>trying to translate a doujinshi
This was unexpectedly time-consuming. I can't imagine translating a whole fucking VN

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>>146725638
>romaji

>>146725902
>Thinking reading shit in romaji makes any difference whatsoever for anyone that isn't a complete beginner

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>>146725968
>romaji user

>>146725798
I find the translating part piss, takes like no time at all
It's the editing part which is ridiculous

>>146726017
What do you count as editing?

>>146726051
Cleaning the jap text off and putting the english text in

>>146726051
Not him, but when I decided to translate a doujinshi for my できない friend (which in hindsight was a big mistake) redrawing and typesetting definitely took way more time than translating it, which was a fairly straight forward process.

>>146726017
>>146726178
Pshhh editing is easy

>>146726262
It's easy sure (not including redrawing that shit's a fucking nightmare) but It's still about 500 times more time consuming than just translating

When it comes to listening practice, should I take it line by line and slowly piece it together, or should I just dive right in and try to get used to the speed?

>>146726885
Some of each

>>146726178
できないですしゃはっはあはわたしわできないでゃはあは

>>146727316
Are you having a stroke ?

>>146727457
ieiie できないがああわたしわとてもできぬー！はずだいますね

>>146722199
I would debate this with you (and win since I actually study relative subjects) but this is a Japanese thread. Just know that you're wrong though, unless you have an obscure definition of what free will is.

Sorry I just had to reply.

>>146722277
Kek can't learn japanese nice one haha

>>146727870
You have autism.

>>146727870
>an obscure definition of what free will

Compatibilists are the only people with an obscure definition of 'free will'. The free will the the average person believes they possess does not exist.

>>146728138
>>146727870
オフトピック禁止

>>146728138
>b-but muh determinism

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>やかんだ
Anyone know what this is supposed to be? No ゆかむ verb seems to exist or anything.

>>146728249
>muh
Opinion disregarded

>>146728316
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/7386246.html

>>146728322
議論はない

>>146728425
>im japanese www
Didn't read your post.

>>146728467
>Daily Japanese Thread

>>146728467
Your edgelord cosplay is hilarious, thanks for the laugh

>>146728138
Define free will, define average person, define what the average person believes.

>>146728545
Didn't read this one either.
>>146728546
>edge
Nice meme word there, didn't read your shitpost any further.

stfu faggots

>>146728630
Woah there you got me, nice comeback
>I didnt even read your post hahah xd
hang yourself

>>146728727
Didn't read your shitpost. There's just no point replying if you are just going to throw meme words at me in the first 2 seconds of your post.

>>146728824
>I don't like it so it's a meme word
>no point replying
>replied anyways
>replied again
>replied again

>>146728877
No point in you replying to me, check your English skills buddy. Didn't read the last sentences though.

>>146728913
Subject was ambiguous in that sentence, and yet you tell me to checkem

Why are you learning Japanese and not a useful language like C++?

>>146729066
But I am learning C++, also learning html, css, php, and javascript.

>>146728571
Free will can't be coherently defined because it's an incoherent idea like 'spirituality'. As for what the average person believes, go ask your mom whether her conception of 'free will' is compatible with the idea that every decision she will ever make is either determined at birth or random.

>>146729044
No it wasn't. It's pretty fucking clear who I'm talking about if I'm still replying to your shitposts.

>>146729115

>C++

didn't read the rest of your post

>>146729125
My mom is dead so there's no way I could ask her. What makes you think she was an average person though? You haven't given any definitions yet you still continue spouting new age sophistry.

>>146729066
Because it's way easier

>>146729140
>It's pretty fucking clear
Most people can't read minds anon

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>>146729066
>>146729115
I'm learning python, because thats what you learn at MIT.

>>146729222
Yeah, but most people here can read English and have basic logic skills.
I said there is no point in replying yet I still do = I was talking about you. Pretty fucking easy and doesn't require any special cognitive skills.

>>146729196
> new age sophistry

What part was new age? The vast majority of philosophers believe in determinism even if they also believe in "free will". But ask anyone outside an ivory tower whether their "free will" is compatible with determinism and the answer will be no.

>>146729273
I considered python, it's on my list to learn.
>>146729299
>There's no point replying
wow i definitely see a subject in there it's definitely not ambiguous and could be taken to mean either you or me.

>>146729321
I don't care about most philosophers. Still waiting for the definitions of the following terms : free will, average person, the average person's beliefs. You can also try to define existence if your feeble mind is capable of such things.

>/DABJT/

>>146729387
Did you try reading the rest of my post? I didn't include any meme words so it should be fine. I'm way better than you in this regard.
Or maybe you are just an ESL. You shouldn't really be ashamed of that.

ITT: philosophy students desperately trying to pretend they study a real subject

>>146729115
>Not already knowing all of these

You're either underage or led dit

>>146729493
Better than a degree in Japanese.

>>146729493
You should've used the singular here. Even taking the retardation of this thread into account I don't think there is more than one philosophy student here.

>>146729493
I'm a student of Marxist-Leninist philosophy and it is a very real world subject.

>>146729391
>You can also try to define existence if your feeble mind is capable of such things.

脱帽

>>146729636
>im a jap www
Didn't read your shitpost beyond the first kanji.

>>146729636

>using japanese to try and look more sophisticated

sasuga

>>146729726
>遉
fixed it for you

>>146729726
着帽

>>146729486
Here I'll spell it out for you: You can't put the subject after the predicate, if you do that then everything before the subject is ambiguous.

Fucking learn your own language before moving on to another one.

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>I'll spout simplistic opinions for hours on end, ridicule anyone who disagrees with me, and generally foster divisiveness, cynicism, and a lower level of public dialog!

The two idiots arguing about free will and who's hat is less ambiguous than the other subject's language proficiency underage didn't read xD replied anyways.

>>146729897
I don't know what a predicate is since I'm not an ESL and I didn't have to study my native language through a textbook.

Fucking learn my language before moving on to another one.

>>146729897

Predicate? How about I pre-dictate my dick in your ass? It's clear that you're an ESL because no one who learned english as their first language would be using such meaningless terms.

>>146729988
Is something wrong with my brain? I can't find the subject of this sentence even though i'm a native.

>>146729988
I wasn't arguing with the free will baby, I was trying to educate him. Sadly he turned out to be illiterate.

>>146729998
>>146730023
This ESL shit is funny, apparently knowing your own language makes you not a native speaker.

Well I guess I just be Japanese then? Oh wait that's retarded.

>>146729897
>You can't put the subject after the predicate
Yes you can. Ever heard of copula inversion?

>>146730066
>Sadly he turned out to be illiterate.
A running theme in DJT

>>146730095

>I guess I just be Japanese then
>messing up the inverted copulace

>>146730095
>Well I guess I just be Japanese then
You know, when you go full grammar autist, it probably helps to give shit a quick proof-read.

I really hope you're an ESL, because the only actual natives who know what the fuck a predicate is are the really dumb kids who had to take a million remedial classes, or the even dumber people who took English to a degree level.

These: >>146728913 >>146728824
Is 100% valid standard english. If you think it's not valid, your internal version of english is wrong.

>>146730095
Why are you ESLs so fucking ashamed of just admitting your mistakes? Nobody is buying your "im a native look at me!! i know cool words like predickate!!"
>Well I guess I just be Japanese then?
>Oh wait that's retarded.
Yes, being Japanese is in fact retarded. Seems like you share a lot of common traits with the island monkeys.

>>146730283
Is->It's*

keyboard bugged out

>>146730283
It's not really standard but whatever i'm sure the ambiguous subject anon should know this a lot better than us filthy natives

>>146730379
It's not an ambiguous subject, it's a dropped subject. When the subject is something like "there's" or the first person, it can be dropped as long as it's understood from context and you're not making formal declarative statements (like this post I'm writing right now).

>>146730106
but for someone to turn out to be illiterate he must've had at least some semblance of being literate which isn't the case with most djt posters (most of them are obviously mentally deficient)

>>146730210
>I was going to make an argument but i see there you made a type ohoho buddy nice try
Anyone with a good english teacher in elementary school would know this shit
>>146730286
>Having higher than elementary reading comprehension makes you esl
k

>>146730498
See: Thrasher, Randolph H. Jr. 1974. Shouldn't Ignore These Strings: A Study of Conversational Deletion, Ph.D. Dissertation, Linguistics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Your conception of english grammar is invalid.

>>146730470
Why did you post this? That retard used "ambiguous subject" and that's why I quoted him directly.

>>146730540
I'm just making him look worse. It's not an attack against you just because I responded to you.

>>146730570
Yeah I get that but can you really make him look any worse? He's a confirmed esl at this point

>>146730620
Yeah, the more mistakes they're straightforwardly shown to have constantly made and clung to the better. The more discouragement against wanton communicatory speging the better.

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You guys all realize you're all anonymous and you all collectively look retarded.

Right? But hey, at least you beat that guy!

もういい
止めろ、二人とも

>>146730713
I'm not a retarded marxist so nope, I don't realise that. Sorry

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>>146730713
They can never truly beat me

>>146730729
いやだ
こんなことがわがきぼう

>>146730713

Says the guy using an anime reaction image.

>>146730771
>>>/out/

>>146730748
Shouldn't freedom be in spanish to better reflect your ESL nature?

>>146730854
its the artist's circle

>>146730835
>retards going right under uavs
nah i'm fine here

>>146730835

What's the matter? Can't make an argument without posting one of your "waifus"? I'd post a real woman but it would probably trigger you so I'll refrain.

>>146730748
>uses collectivist marxist rhetoric
>Freedom
Kek, haven't kekked so hard since the last thread

I guess I'll just leave this thread for the day. It seems if it's not retards responding to trolls it's two fucking autists going at it in a cut-throat fight to the death.

See you tomorrow /djt/.

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>>146730748
I like this artist.

>>146731065
Sure, don't get out of your safe space for at least 5 hours so you don't get traumatized

>>146731065
>im leaving but first ill make a cool post about how im gonna leave lol
Cool.

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>>146730948
>I'd post a real woman but it would probably trigger you so I'll refrain.
I pray to nonexistent gods that no one is that retarded

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>>146731185

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>>146731242
(you)

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Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

I want /vg/ to leave.

>>146731300
>(you)
>(you)
You. (you)

>>146731303
You CAN (not) learn Japanese!*

ftfy

>>146731312
You are free to leave anytime just click the X button on the tab in your browser.

How did Aoba turn into a mascot for DJT?

Is there any app,video or whatever to practice listening to times and dates?

Something where they say a random hour and you have to recognize it.

For some reason I'm shit at that.

>>146731343
>Anime reference! ｗｗｗでけねええできぬ！！
ftfy

>>146731402

やけど

>>146731402
Why would I do that, cunt

>>146731494
what do we have over here, is this an island monkey? guys make him strip and let's make him clean the ship
>>146731502
cuz you are vg and you want vg to leave. cuntfag

>>146731555
But anon, you are the /vg/.

Hey guys, come check out the freakshow.
>>146727542
>>146727542
>>146727542

I'm really struggling to see a difference between most of these posts and the kind of shit you'd read on Reddit or Gaia. Has /a/ really just completely fucking died in the couple of years I've spent learning nip?

>>146731606
for that to be true i've had to have visited vg at least once in my lifetime don't you think so, djt-chan?

>>146731644
>guys come check out my epic trollface thread!
Nope, I'll abstain

Do you think that playing japanese VN ang games in japanese, reding raw manga and watching japanese subbed anime 4-5 hours a day could help out?
Also I am doing Anki too.

>>146731663
No need. It exists, deep, deep inside your heart.
>>146731644
Yes.

>>146731715
Nah just do anki

>>146731644
Especially this thread is terrible.

I can't see any of the common shitposters ITT ever making any actual progress with Japanese.

>>146731715
noo
>>146731721
nope unless you wanna argue we are on /vg/ this very moment then i'd have to agree

>>146731715
No, it's very likely that spending 5 hours a day on native material could leave you brain-damaged for life. It certainly won't help you learn the language.

If you want to be safe, either stick with Wanikani, or go through RTK. There's no rush, you've got the next 80 years to get a really firm basis in kanji before you really start.

>>146731790
/vg/ is the black hole inside your heart.

>>146731715
Actually reading something or talking to someone will be necessary at some point, but 5 hours is suicide.

>>146731809
>146731809
huh? i'm pretty fucking sure there are no black holes in my heart or i wouldn't be writing this ----post right now

>>146731871
Anon, you may have amnesia. Please firmly place your hand hard enough on your chest to feel the ripple this demon is causing deep within you.

>>146731933
yuyuuuuuuhh fuck yeah i felt something but i'm positive it wasn't a black hole

>>146731933

The only thing deep within me is my burning japanese spirit.

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>>146732083
doumu arigaou gozaimas kimi no bangou wa nano deska? boku mo nihongo so supiritu deimasukara bangou wa kirikaekaremasu itadaitakara nippon samurai bangumi wo mitekudaiamase isshou ni miru hosii desu wayo
~Kirizumi Imomashido

>>146731715
>4-5 hours a day
If you want to burn out, sure. You'd probably never recover from this training regimen, you'd likely never learn another language as long as you live. It's just like with exercising, you need time to rest. With learning you need time to absorb new information and store it in long term memory, and that usually includes a good night's sleep.

大穴 (ダイアナ)
this explains everything

>>146732256
>le burn out regimen training discipline memè

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このスレを助けってください、 モデレータ 様

>>146732433
desu yone?! totemo desu ne... dangu bangumi wo misteremorau mastetekure desukara omae wo kimi no bangumi wo miteii no? desu ne nihonjin desuka?!
~Kirizumi Imomashido

>>146732256
>4-5 hours a day
>too much
lol

>>146732256
Man, I can't even do an hour a day. I can't imagine doing four. Forty five minutes per day is enough to give me seizures and spinal plastomania. What the hell is wrong with ehse people?

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Going to日本 in a few weeks, wish me luck!

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I just ordered fish oil pills. My retention is usually 80-85% but with this I'm expecting it to go up to 90-95%.

God bless lifehacks.

>>146732540

aa kirizumi san wa mo nihonjin deska? tasukataze! kono sure no naka ni bakatacha wa hidoi. demo ore tachi no nihonjin wa onaji da. anime wo isho ni mitaidaro?

~takazuma the hedgehog

skype:takazumathehedgehog

>>146732866
they're placebo and actually bad for you sorry mate

>>146732866
>not using snake oil
できたくないの？

>>146732896
Fish oil is good if you have depression, ADD, diabetes, or anxiety (among other things). Perfect for /djt/.

>>146732869
sumimaes deshitaimasen kedo sukaipu toreisungu de inai kara mitaidaro demo torekkingu enu esu ee dearou dakara choto kowai desu wayo doudemo ii kedo isshou ni takazuma-san hosii! oretati mo nihonjin dakara tanoshii desu wayone! mosikashitara sonikku suki desu ka? hedhehog wo mitara sou omotta ww ore mo suki ne. sore jya takazuma san wo skpye ni addo suru desu ne?
~Kirizumi Imomashido

>>146732256
I actually don't feel like burning out, I read slowly and easy things.
Now started Chaos;Head
Berserk
SMTIVFinal
Going to re-watchi Shiki with Japanese subs in 2-3 days

>>146732866
Just eat a 360 gram salmon anon, it will net you 8gram fish oil or so.
One pill contains around 600mg depending on the supplier.

>>146733047
basically if you have imaginary shit it's good for you

>>146733047
nah, it's actually been proven to cause anxiety/depression in many

the best thing you can do is just eat fish once a week

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>>146733047
Is it really all those things? Should I quit coffee and take fish oil along with drinking camomile tea?

>>146733116
But I'm a pussy and I need everything to be in pill form my stomach can't handle real food
>>146733156
Yeah, that's gonna help a lot coffee is shit anyway it's a social construct.

By reading through all these fish oil fag posts and I've realised that I'm literally superhuman.
>>146733156
Sure, djtchan it's not placebo at all.

>>146733156
>Is it really all those things?
no

coffee actually works, but only drink it like every second day else you build up resistance to it and only get the bad effects

>>146733156
At least drink some fine 抹茶 or 玄米茶.

I've got my supply of fish oil today too. I've just injected it anally and it feels real good not placebo lmao
>>146733284
This post is bullshit i drink coffee literally 2-3 times a day and I still get the positive effects.

>>146733144
I eat fish once a week or so, but I want a steady supply of the golden ambrosia to keep me dominating the reps all week long.

lmao at all these sub 98% fags who need placebo to get to my level.

>>146733374
that's not how it works bud, you're only consuming a placebo that is actually making you WORSE at your reps

people really need to do more research before falling for marketing schemes...

Speaking of supplements, I think the guide needs a section on which supplements to take and what diet one should have for optimal learning.

I've heard B12 counteracts fatigue.

>fish oil
>coffee
Pshaw, I became fluent by doing Karaoke 5 times a week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djThyJGHNQo

>>146733612
You should put a disclaimer that you should consult with your doctor before learning Japanese.

>>146733612
Wow this fish oil really brings out the stupidity hiding in these threads

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>>146733374
I'm with UNATCO, start talking.

>>146731715
Reading interesting books is the best way.
VN's are a close second (they have slightly less text than a book).
Reading will improve your vocabulary, grammar, and listening comprehension

>>146733612
Magnesium and fish oil are good for calm. Vitamins B12 and B6 are good for wakeful alertness without stringing you out like caffeine. Vitamin D does both.

But supplements are mostly placebo, balanced nutrition and exercise are the best.

>>146733805
>VN's are a close second (they have slightly less text than a book).
>Reading (books implied) will improve your ... listening comprehension
dumbest thing i've read all week

>>146733880
In order to understand spoken language, you need to understand grammar and you need to have a decent vocabulary. Both of which reading will improve at a much greater rate than listening. Of course, once you're past a certain point your reward/effort spent will skew more towards listening practice.

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>>146733880
Improving one skill very often has beneficial effects on other skills that seem almost completely unrelated.

In the example given, it's not THAT unrelated, as becoming more familiar with the language's words and flow in general can help your ear follow along in a conversation.

In general, the four skills of reading, listening, writing, and speaking ought to be viewed in that order, because each one feeds the next. You can’t say what you don’t know, and reading is much easier to learn words from than listening. The large quantity of exposure helps the learner to think in the target language, which in turn improves output abilities.

>>146733702
is this game commie propaganda? Haven't played it yet but I plan to play it in japanese some day

ITT: beginnerfags talk about learning japanese as if they know something

>>146733805
I've been reading for almost a year and I still have troubles with に,は and relative clauses.
Maybe I am not that smart, but with times I'll get better.
I should probably add a LN in there since I think real novels are too hard for me now.

Anyway, do you have any advice to maximize this "immersion"
For example a good way to remember words or grammar points?
Beside Anki

>>146734148
>helps the learner
Please don't use such gay language next time if you aren't legitimately a fag

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>>146734244
more like ITT: できない anon tries to shitpost but draws out useful info from helpful anons instead

>>146734244

nani ga itenda kono yaroume??

>>146734347
>le funny dekinai memes
Didn't read your shipost. Try containing your desire to leak brown matter from you asshole next time.

>>146734012
>>146734148
Many VNs have more text than books. They are text the whole time unless it's a gameplay one, so it's not like the text is more spaced out either.

Also, with VNs, unlike books, you will actually be training listening comprehension when there are voiced lines.

>>146734148
> and reading is much easier to learn words from than listening

Not really. The level of vocabulary is, on average, higher, but the words are more memorable from listening. If your only goal was to be able to speak, and not to read, you would be best off only reading until you are comfortable with grammar.

>>146734347
This info is useful only if you are fucked in the head and can't think for yourself oh wait that's exactly what 99% of the posters in this thread are

>>146734415
>Quotes post
>didnt read it
moron

>>146734536
I didn't quote the post, I quoted a small part of it. Seems like you are new here, djtchan.

>>146734318
Perhaps try reading material in which you know most of the vocab in already, thus letting you focus more on the grammar? Something like 75%+ vocab is already known, so it feels easier.

It could be combing easier manga or even 絵本 depending on your level? Only you can tell what is easy for yourself or not, after all.

>>146734498
>you would be best off only reading until you are comfortable with grammar.
By this I mean, you would only be best off focusing on reading until you are comfortable with grammar, at which point focusing purely on listening would be better.

>>146734498
I guess it depends on how comfortable you are with kanji? For me, two homonyms are much easier to remember if I know which kanji they're made up of.

>>146734165
Someone answer please or I will have to engage in active クソポスチング

>>146734689
I see thanks.
Can I ask another thing?
When reading sometimes particles or words feels "cold or lifeless", to make them have meaning I have to focus.
For example with に or で.

>>146734776
You know the kanji either way because you stick the word into anki. It's just easier to remember the context line if it was spoken compared to a random long narration sentence.

And yeah of course you forget the context after a few months no matter what but at that point it's already in your long term memory.

>>146734814
You see thanks? How is it possible to see an abstract concept?

>>146734910
You can see thanks in the eyes of people you help, in the ease of their shoulders after you have lessened their burdens, and the indescribable radiation of warmth emanating from their thankful bodies.

>>146734910
But I understand it immediately without thinking.
For example when reading
To jon
I understand it immediately
ジョンに
Feels detached and not clear to me

>>146719093
>today is also the 1st day of the month do well zoi
what

>>146732866
link to research?
i know that fish oil has anti-inflammatory properties.. good for sports / lifting recovery
didn't hear anything about its brain powers though

>>146735182
気にするでないぞ
いずれ分かるさ

>>146733880
Reading makes your comprehension faster and more accurate
That in turn helps you with listening comprehension

>>146735336
Don't be stupid we all know RTK is the best way to improve your listening comprehension

>>146735227
出来ないよ。

>>146734813

>>146734342
Your autism is showing, anon.

I'm starting to get new cards right on the first time seeing them. Meaning and reading.

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勉強に集中しなさい

>>146735705
Phenomenological form is not a constant in the human condition. You're developing an ability few possess whereby your subconscious negatively infers the reading through reference of itself to the relationship of its particulars.

In essence, you're psychic.

>>146734165
>>146734813
answer please

石に漱ぎ流れに枕す

>>146735929
what does it mean if I have a dream and then the next day/week/month/year the thing I dreamt of happens?

>>146736173
Retroactive cognition (deja vu)

>>146733805
>VN's are a close second (they have slightly less text than a book).

Most VNs have more text than your average novel. Clannad is more than twice as long as War and Peace.

>>146736552
yeah but war and peace doesn't have as many ums and ... ... ... .. .... .. or uguu~~~s

>>146736071
This is the last warning i'm gonna shitpost pretty hard if you don't answer.

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>>146722489

On which board on 2chan do they talk about visual novels that is actually active?

>>146736141
流石

I love these kind of words:
戦慄く
戦慄
彷徨う
彷徨
嘔吐く
嘔吐
躊躇う
躊躇
蔓延る
蔓延
狼狽える
狼狽
成立つ
成立
恋慕う
恋慕
微笑む
微笑
輪姦す
輪姦
嘲笑う
嘲笑
強請る
強請

>石音楽

かっか　か

>>146737029
None it's a myth that theres a good place to talk about VNs in Japanese

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>Started learning Japanese 3 years ago as an elective
>Didn't think I was gonna learn it, but had fun
>Took it every semester, eventually becoming a minor, enjoying it more
>Forced to drop in order to graduate on time

I really didn't think I was gonna learn this language. Even when I haven't taken a class in a few months, this stuff is still clicking in my head just a bit. My only motivation to continue was because I told myself eventually there is going to be something I want to watch, play, or read that won't be translated so keep going. I guess you guys are my new teachers from this point on.　

よろしくおねがいします。

>>146736552
If Clannad was a book and not a VN it would be even longer, no?

Today I did wanikani for 2 hours and watched one episode of Re:ゼロから始めるetc. etc. etc.

>>146737645
I don't know what makes you say that. Books don't have multiple routes except that one series.

>>146737603
You're at absolute best, at around the level of someone who self-studied for an hour a day casually for around 3 months. Don't hurt yourself.

How long did it take you scrubs to get through your first VN?

So I'm cramming kanji again and uh, am I just supposed to remember how it looks? God don't even get started on kun/onyomi either.

>>146737908
90 hours (20 hours long for natives)

how long will it take to get to the level of reading basic manga/vn's? like 2 years?

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>>146737862
Thanks, I really miss the class though it was the only class that kept me sane since the rest of them were classes for major. Next thing you know I'm watching anime and I'm finding myself not looking at the subtitles as much anymore. I thank my professor for being a old woman straight from the motherland too, she was really the type that made the class authentic too. I remember one time I accidentally said ,"知らん" to her. Man did she not let that go. I thank her and my friends on PSO2 for getting me here.

>>146737908
3 weeks It should have been 2, but 1 was purely fap.

>>146737970
>cramming kanji
Well, there's your problem.

>>146738098
Depends on how basic, and how many corners you're willing to cut. You can read Yotsuba competently in 3 months. If you're willing to pretend, you can "read" any VN after a month or two.

By 2 years, you should really have read over a dozen easy to moderate VNs already.

>>146738353
oh, ok. How many hours a day should I spend learning if I want to go at the pace you mentioned?

>>146738344
Cramming was the wrong word. I meant I'm just doing Anki reps again.

I've been on and off for 3 fucking years and now that I'm doing Anki again, I'm questioning myself on how am I supposed to "learn" from this.

>inb4 just read

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>>146737862
Forgot to mention sadpanda threads helped a lot too. Those Hmangas keep things really simple, so you'll actually learn somethings from those too.

Tried running a couple of Visual Novels on a VM Windows. They identify it straight away and won't run. Is there a solution short of actually installing a windows copy and dual booting?

Is there a way to show the "Tags" on the backside of the card in Anki?

>>146738468
By not doing lone kanji study.

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>>146738468
I'm just going to repeat the golden words. Learn words, not kanji. If you have close to 0 vocab, then do something like Anon5k just to get you started. The sooner you drop that and start mining, the better though.
Maybe go over a grammar guide like Tae Kim's.
And read, read and read. Being an anki drone is a good road to not being fluent.

>>146738468
You look at the word and remember its reading and meaning. If you can't remember you make up a mnemonic, write it down, or suspend the card and learn it through reading. Poof, learning.

>>146738641
Just checking, but you did set the system locale to Japanese, right ?

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>>146738769

>>146732847
Luck

>>146738887
Non-unicode support?

>>146739041
Those nips still haven't figured out how to make VNs with Unicode, so unless you have the Japanese system locale set on windows, it's going to crash or not even boot most of the time.

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>>146738769
>Not using the most advanced kanji learning technique ever

>>146738655
Okay I figured out how, but now I'm trying to figure out how to align just the {{Tags}} to the right.

>>146737908
About 20 months. I kept dropping and picking it back up together with Japanese.

>>146739569
Google 'align right css'.

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>>146739533
What the fuck. What kind of an autist does one have to be to make something like this up ?

>>146739636
This doesn't really help. I'm trying to just align the Tags while keeping everything else centered. Idk If it's even possible in anki due to {{Tags}} being a special field with limitations.

>>146738769
When people use the term mining they just mean looking for or adding certain kanji to the top of your deck right?

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>からぶったー
Is this some kind of baseball term? or just から and 打つ?

>>146739899
It does help though.
<div style="float:right">{{tags}}</div>

>>146740045
>Is this some kind of baseball term?
Yes
空振り

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>>146739533
What am I reading

>>146740019
It basically means, adding words you encounter in native material to your anki deck.

>その迫力ある惨めさに気圧されてしまう。

Why the piss is the ある in the middle of the sentence?

Can anyone help with this? I've been googling but all the examples I find are with ある at the end of sentences or after things that are obvious. I can't figure out why it makes sense here..

>>146740236
迫力がある惨めさ

They just skipped が

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>>146740120
Thank you for doing all the work. Got it to work (the {{Tags}} is case-sensitive).

I don't know anything about this shit.

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>>146740123
thanks anon

>>146740328

Sigh. Do they do this shit all the time?

>>146741018
Yes.

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>>146740045
>>146740715
このばあいは

>空振りに終わる

っていう慣用句の、短縮だよ。背景の捕手は、もじってるんだとおもうよ

まぎらわしくてごめんねおにいちゃん

Psychics Oh! should really be suggested to new learner. It's a sharpturned slapstick comedy

The dialogues are all shougakusei-understandable

and it's a change of pace from all the slow as fuck SoL recommendation here

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>>146741274
分かりました、妹さん、ありがとう。

かわいいイメージを上げます

>>146729066
Math is alright but pure coding is too autistic for me.

>>146731715
Depends on your proficiency level. Before n2 it's very demotivating seeing as you have to translate almost every single word.

I want to get better and faster at Japanese already :-(

>>146742691
Read More™

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>mfw so many reps left that ankidroid gives an estimate of "0 minutes left"

>>146742741
You can't trademark reading, Steve. It has other applications besides just language learning, you know.

>>146743038
How many days did you skip?

>>146743167
10. 7 of which were camping with no access to electricity (anki), and the 3 afterwards were me avoiding the problem

>>146743117
Actually, reading is inseparable from language learning. It's impossible to completely master a language, so whenever you read something - anything, even 4chan posts -, you're inadvertently honing your language skills. Really makes you think, huh?

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2007/07/15/skeptic-calling-out-to-all-heisig-fans/
who was in the wrong here?

>>146743289
Really stimulates my Wernicke's area.

To the anon from the last thread who digitalized Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course: some pages in the Introduction are upside down. I'll post here if I come across any other bad pages, I'm 100 kanji in and all other pages so far are fine.

Is there any difference between 規準 and 基準 or can I just use them interchangeably?

>>146743249
This is why you should install AnkiDroid on your phone or tablet. Don't give up, just power through them and eventually it'll get back to normal.

>>146743665
I posted a patch for those earlier in this thread. Please report any other errata in these threads with the keyword kklc.

I am trying to read this VN but there are a lot of kanji that I do not know. I'm going on jisho.org and trying to find the definition using the "radicals" section, however that is very frustrating and time consuming after a while. Are there any programs that let you copy and paste things from VNs?

>>146743843
Ah, okay. I just turned my computer on, so I didn't see your post before. Will do.

>>146744100
Read the OP retard.

>>146744100
yes.

>>146744155
Appreciated.

I'm reading an eroge and I got to the h-scene and now I wanna jerk off but my parents are home. How do I go about stealthily masturbating?

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「え？よくわかんないですけどー。」
Why does this sound so fucking funny

>>146745354
Kill your parents, fap in peace.

>>146745419
I value my liberty so that's not an option.

Today I did Anki for 38 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 1 hour and 33 minutes.

>>146745368
maybe cause you are retarded ever thought of that one?
>>146745553
quality post kek

>>146745576
Sorry for offending you 日本人