Dragon Ball Super

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WHERE ARE THE ENGLISH SUBS FILTHY NINGENNNN

mfw getting ready for subs

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Daily Reminder that Hit is still the Greatest

>>146712148
Question:
Why is no one of the spics translating them for you guys?
I could do it but I have no idea how to make subs or put them in a video

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Kaioshin are cute! C U T E!

>>146712177
In the anime. They made him a jobber in the manga.

>>146712216
why he is shorter now?
is Toriyama implying that Kaioshin is stronger that ZAMASSu?

>>146712247
the manga is a side story

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>>146712264
he was pretty small to begin with

>>146712216
and into the trash it goes

>>146712316
yeah but now is shota level

>>146712327
So he gone from 'base goku beats him up' to 'kan fight against blue' ?
This makes U7 Kaioshin look pretty incompetent.

>>146712096
FIRST FOR THE OTP.

>>146712397
it's a different zamasu, goku only beat that other zamasu because he was unprepared and let his guard down last minute

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>>146712409
forget img

>>146712397
The universe 7 Kaioshin is incompetent though.

>>146712096

A-at least Vegeta disrupted the energy ball and saved their lives.

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>>146712461
trunks waste no time

SUBARASHII

UTSUKUSHII DARO?!

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>>146712461
>this fucking pic
My sides

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Unfortunally Vegeta taught Trunks his shitty jobber moves...

WHERE IS GOHAN?

Super is finally getting decent fight animations?

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>>146712611
Here

>>146712709

On major fight scenes

>>146712149
Why didn't the dragonball series have more group fights like this? It's pretty cool to see.

>>146712767
Because there has to be one big bad for goku to beat. Everything else get oneshot by him or big bad.

>>146712767
Because saiyans are "1v1 me faggit" monkeys.

>>146712611
I'm pretty sure his Final Flash would've killed Zamasu if he wasn't inmortal.

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LEWD ZAMASU CUMING!

>>146712854
you are underrating his jobb genes

>>146712812
I think I understand why Freezia and the early android sagas are so liked, there was plenty of cannon fodder for everyone to go through before Goku (and Gohan) killed the big bad. Even RoF had the cool level one mobs vs everyone scene.

By the way can some make a gif or webm of Zamasu retarded laugh animation? It's meme worthy.

>>146712709
It's still garbage compared to things like pokemon, but it's better than before.

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>>146712890
ZAMASS

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Reminder that Vegetation best Jobber

>>146712276
was trunks ssj1
i didnt see any sparks during the fight

fucking hate ningens

Buu could kill all of humanity in seconds without damaging the planet, why all this faffing around by Black?

>>146713093
what about jinzouningens?

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>>146713093
zamasu

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>>146713093
>hate ningens
>green as Piccolo

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>>146712096
So is there a reason Goku hasnt gone SSBxKaioken yet and wrecked blacks shit?

>>146713136
Black has shitty ki sensing abilities. Same with Zamasu. This is why Black was unable to catch Trunks going to the main timeline twice.

On the other hand, Buu had excellent ki sensing abilities which is why he was able to find the other Z fighters and locate every single human for his human extinction attack.

>>146713272
It'll fuck him up AND might not work.

>>146713272
Worried he might fuck it up and kill himself

>>146713331
Im sure Black would let Goku power up though

I'm still mad Vegeta got rekt'd like a total punk

>>146712096
Yeah Goku also fought second and has instant transmission.

>>146713363
this
Black hasn't killed Goku yet because he is goku with a bit of zamas douchebaggery

>>146712282
The manga is overseen by Toriyama himself and even redrawn at some points
>>146712611
Final Flash almost killed Perfect Cell when Vegeta wasn't even Full Power SSJ1. Final Flash is fucking broken, its amazing he doesn't use it more often.

>>146712148
Just like in the opening!

>>146712096
>dont trust anyone not even yourself.jpg

>>146713463
I want to note that Vegeta has noticeably stronger ki blasts than Goku.

Goku vs Vegeta 1
>Vegeta fires a Garlic Gun at power level 18000
>Goku fires a kaioken x3 Kamehameha (8000x3=24000)
>It's a tied struggle but Vegeta seems to be slowly gaining an upper hand
>Goku fires a kaioken x4 Kamehameha (8000x4=32000)
>It overpowers Vegeta and sends him to the skies
>The Kamehameha only seems to injure Vegeta's pride

This proves that Goku's Kamehameha is inferior to Vegeta's Garlic Gun. Since Final Flash is an upgraded Super Saiyan form of Garlic Gun, it can be assumed that Final Flash is even more efficient than the Garlic Gun.

I would bet that Goku would lose a Kamehameha to Final Flash struggle against Vegeta right now unless Goku uses the kaioken on top of ssb.

>>146712096
Future Trunks even did better than Vegeta.

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>Even a SSJ2(SSJ1?) Trunks did better than Vegeta

>>146713463
Cell let vegeta charge his FF to hell amd back. Trunks' was a quick move he pulled as a finisher that he barely charged and had little to no terrain impact while vegeta's could easily wipe a continent or two

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>>146713632
I mean goku's SS1 kamehameha wiped the top half of cell clean off it just wasnt big enough to vaporize him entirely

>>146713709
Thanks doc

So this guy just happens to look exactly like goku and thats it?
Toriyama has completely given up

>>146713632
Well assuming they powered up to max, I think most people would lose to Final Flash. The thing traveled light years into space and had a visibly large explosion.

Goku has always been one for quickly learning techniques while Vegeta was one for honing the techniques he already had and never learning new ones. They're both on about an even playing field when it comes to pure strength. Vegeta is the more intelligent of the two by a fair amount. Vegeta thinks too much in battle, and Goku not at all, which hinders both of them. The difference ultimately between the two is Goku is better at learning and adapting, its a natural talent for Goku.

Remember though Vegeta when he just completely lets go, has been shown to be stronger than Goku. His SSJ2 was over SSJ3 levels in BoG and Goku comments on him being stronger than him when he showed up with Whis. Realistically the two are likely on the same level now. Toriyama and the dude who is drawing the manga (whose name escapes me) went a different route with how SSB works and the Hit fight.

Out of anybody though Gohan and Trunks by far have the most potential, Trunks by leaps and bounds now though due to his life and constantly training.

At least this is how I've always seen it. Vegeta is just better at concentrated ki, besides Spirit Bomb/Genki Dama.

>>146713363
Ok that's fine and dandy but goku stated the actual transformation into ssb kaioken is incredibly dangerous. So he could take all the time he needs but could still instantly die

>>146713463
>The manga is overseen by Toriyama himself and even redrawn at some points
I thought he just looks at them and goes
>yeah that's good
and that's it?

Where was it said that he edits them?

WHERE ARE THE SUBS THERE'S ONLY RAWS IN NYAA.SE

>>146713709
The Final Flash was able to vaporize any part of Cell that it touched. Keep in mind that Goku had a far higher power level than Vegeta when Goku fired that instant transmission kamehameha to Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kaYSireTPY
3:00
>Goku and Majin Vegeta have a ki blast struggle
>at this point in time, Goku and Majin Vegeta had similar power levels with Goku having an advantage by having ssj3 potential
>Goku clearly lost the ki blast struggle at around 4:00
>Throughout the fight, Goku seems to have a slight advantage in hand to hand combat
>Vegeta knows this and tries to use ki blasts as much as possible

Yes of course Goku could have won the struggle by going ssj3 but that's beside the point. The point is, when their power levels are around the same, Vegeta has stronger ki blasts than Goku. This point is never brought up by Dragon Ball fans.

>>146713463
Don't be stupid you know super vegeta didn't almost kill cell

>>146712096

Man this image makes me think

If anyone told me years ago DB would become a battle of the cotton candy hair colors, I'd have laughed in their face

>>146713679
Yeah, Final Flash is dependent on charge time, that is true, but its still a pretty damaging move. That much concentrated ki from Vegeta could easily wipe out a planet like it was nothing.
>>146713709
Thanks Doc.

Kamehameha has always had odd inconsistencies. I mean look at SSJ2 Gohan's Father-Son Kamehameha, 'SSJ2' Cell was pushing him back and it took Vegeta distracting him and Gohan putting more ki into it to vaporize Cell. Then you have some instances where Kamehameha and Final Flash itself don't do a damn thing.
>>146713737
We don't actually know yet.
>>146713669
SSJ2 Trunks, Full Power SSJ2 Trunks in the manga.

>>146713894
I would believe the hair color but I would have expected ssj4 style chest hair body mixed with ssj3 hair if someone talked about a super saying God

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>>146712096
Reminder that Black is goten

>>146713852
Manga Vol. 1 Interview if I recall. They also mention that Toriyama storyboards both the manga and anime and he lets them have a little freedom with each of them.

>>146713866
W H E R E
H
E
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>146713945
>implying Goten will ever be relevant

>>146713969
BR here

I came here to hue at you

is this show good now? never got around to watching, also can't remember did they retcon gt or was it buu saga onwards?

>>146714002
WHAT THE FUCK IS BR
TELL ME NOW YOU FILTHY NINGEN

>>146713891
He still did heavy damage to him, the weakest 'power level' of any character that properly fought him, barring Hercule/Satan for obvious reasons. Cell was confident it would do nothing to him and he got half his side blown off. If Vegeta had aimed it properly, he'd have killed Cell in all likelihood. Granted the Earth and everyone else would have died, but he'd have killed Cell.

>>146713969
Subs are up on the official db super xanga page

>>146712096
why is dragonball so autistic and predictable?

>>146713866
Tomorrow probably. As for Dragon Team's subs, you'll probably see Ep. 56 in about a week, and Ep. 57 in about a month.
>>146714008
GT was never canon. This follows after the Buu Saga. You can start watching it from the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Tournament, its got some shoddy animation, but its fairly decent and doesn't just recap BoG and RoF. The Black Saga has been fantastic so far though.

>>146713969

http://dragonballtime.net/dragon-ball-super-episode-57-subbed/

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>>146714044
Get a load of this faggot.
So who's Black then if you're so clever?

>>146713880
>Vegeta has stronger ki blasts than Goku.

That's not only not truly, but as retarded as stating that Piccolo has the strongest ki blasts in the series because the Makakousappo.

The comparison to Perfect Cell is also flawed, because Perfect Cell underestimated Vegeta and let him hit him vs the Warp Kamahameha Goku hit him with, where he actually braced himself before Goku attacked.

Also, Vegeta just wastes time charging up his attacks more, which is only useful if you can bait the opponent into staying in one spot.

And using Majin Vegeta vs SSJ 2 Goku as evidence, when actual fight is filler, is as pointless.

>>146714024
Huehuehuehue

kami-tube is a thing. Gowasu wants to be a kamitubber

>>146714044
Because its a silly action shounen for kids and teens. You're the one acting all autistic by getting these seemingly bent out of shape over it.

>>146714029
I disagree. The amount of damage may have surprised him but he knew he was far above super vegeta. It was all an act of letting him power up only to crush his confidence. Vegeta made a fool of semi perfect cell. Cell wanted a humiliating smack down

>>146713956
I think Toriyama was the guy who came up with the idea of Mai riding a bike to save people, the first chapter of the manga arc had something like a bike helmet in her hideout with Trunks.

>>146714044
it's an anime and you've seen a lot of dragonball episodes

>>146713956
Yeah I know that, I'm talking about him actually editing the panels.
That or I read that post wrong and he just suggests redraws.

>>146714097
>The comparison to Perfect Cell is also flawed, because Perfect Cell underestimated Vegeta and let him hit him vs the Warp Kamahameha Goku hit him with, where he actually braced himself before Goku attacked.

This.

Cell thought Goku was bluffing, before he teleported down to him and smoked his fucking head. With Vegeta Cell thought he could tank the attack without worries.

>>146714097
Not him, but Ki, and this works for power levels too anymore, is more about how much you can concentrate into a single given area. Which as you said, Vegeta needs time to do so, as does Goku with Spirit Bomb. Goku or Vegeta given the proper time could best each other due to concentration of Ki. Goku having a slight advantage due to Kaio-ken and being able to outpour a little more into his blasts. The difference with Piccolo is he only has so much Ki in comparison to other people and he also has to charge his up into a concentrated beam.

If say Piccolo was on Blue levels, and he had the time to charge that with all that concentrated Ki, yeah that probably would be an incredibly deadly attack once more.

>>146714097
>but as retarded as stating that Piccolo has the strongest ki blasts in the series because the Makakousappo.
I don't know. Makankosappo seems to rely on the same principals as Final Flash but more condensed and precise.

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>>146713894
>fans for years made recolored hairs as new SSJ forms and people laughed at those
>Super/RF movie does the same, but it's fine because Toriyama is Supervising
This cracks me up when 2 Gokus are fighting each other with super saiyan hair super saiyan god rosetto beru.

GOKU LITERALLY TELEPORTED BEHIND HIM LMFAO GJGIOJSAIOGJSDRIOGJPSEOHKOPDSKOPSDSETHSDIOBJDFIOSJHIOPRJ5490U34UJHSDT890UJH

>>146713669
>>Even a SSJ2(SSJ1?) Trunks did better than Vegeta
I don't know, Black looked pretty worried when Vegeta caught his punch with no effort. Then Vegeta unleashed a barrage of attacks as well as an uppercut. Even the first punch after Vegeta caught his punch seemed to worry Black a bit.

Trunks did what, get in a surprise block, buff up and knock him away a bit?

>>146714113
I don't disagree that Perfect Cell was far above Vegeta, I mean Vegeta does get his ass beat pretty quickly. I do think Cell however vastly underestimated that amount of ki in that blast and Vegeta curved it to not blow the Earth up, which saved Cell, or at least largely, he may have still regenerated after that had his nucleus survived.
>>146714114
Toriyama comes up with quite a few ideas. I feel like he was the one that came up with the SSJ2 Trunks and Hit battles in the manga, but I could be wrong there.
>>146714147
I'll try to find it if I can, I may just be remembering something wrong.

>>146714206
>Not him, but Ki, and this works for power levels too anymore, is more about how much you can concentrate into a single given area.

The problem with the argument the other guys brought up is that Ki has ALWAYS worked like that, even before Goku was revealed as an alien. The whole Dodopa > Kamehame ha stems from this.

Even the example with Nappa punching Tenshinhan's fucking arm off. Stating that Vegeta has stronger ki attacks than Goku, when all he's doing is charging them up is stupid, when that's basically the same shit everyone does.

That was the fucking crux of the battle with Radditz vs Piccolo and Goku. Being able to suppress your ki and concentrate your attacks has always been a staple of this series; it's because of that ability that throughout the post-Namek fighting on Earth characters CONSTANTLY explain that they can't go 'all out' using beam attacks out of fear of destroying the planet.

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>>146714095
I think black was created with the super dragonballs

>>146713894
Eh, I think the colors kind of work with DB's general naming scheme for things.
You know Saiyan's are Vegetables.
Bulma's family are undergarments.
And whatever else I can't be bothered to remember.

I mean god shit so far has been related to alcoholic beverages too.

>>146714377
I know, I was agreeing with you actually. I think from a base level that Galick Gun is stronger than Kamehameha, just because it naturally has more concentrated ki, but in the end it doesn't matter when each can be overpowered depending on different factors and what not.

>>146714384
why would zamasu want to create something like a goku as a friend if goku disgusts him?

>>146714445
>I think from a base level that Galick Gun is stronger than Kamehameha
I thought it was weaker but faster?
Or am I thinking of Xenoverse?

>>146714419
Don't forget Chilly Willies are cold related things.
Namekians just seem to be whatever. Instruments, Snails/Slugs, Titles, etc.

>>146714458
Zamasu never seem to see Goku Black as a friend but more like a devout servant who follows his every word.

>>146714384
Goku represents hope to the ningens, and it will be zamasu's own satisfaction to see the ningens getting destroyed by their own superningen?

>>146714484
You're thinking of Xenoverse I believe. I know in that Final Flash was by far the strongest move in the game. I think the only thing that rivaled it before the nerf was Cell's Perfect Kamehameha, but it took longer to fire.

>>146714510
We need a ultra giga ningen edit

Get to it drawfags

>>146714384
I think it's nice that for the first time in like 600 episodes a villain actually manages to abuse dragon balls.

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Reminder that this is what the Super Dragon Balls were used for.

>>146714499

Maybe he just wished for goku back to life under the condition that he follow his every word

>>146714601
Then why would he say that they are not allies , just that they share the same dream?

>>146714384
I think Super Dragonballs are actually strong enough to grant even a 'remove all ningen' wish, so there would be no need to go through the problem of creating Black and wasting time killing everything via him.

AOTY AOTY
The HYPE

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There's just no way he got himself black AND became immortal in a single wish. What gives?

>>146712428

No it's the same Zamasu. Stop making shirts up.

The logical conclusion is that he found some way to get much stronger.

Black is just Kakarot from a time where he never bonked his head.

>>146712096
It's almost like the Battle of the Troll Dolls now.

>>146714627
Why not have the human who humiliated you serve under you?

>>146714676
>two different timelines with two different Zamasus
>they're the same I swear!

>>146714688
Or
Zamasu used his Kai creation powers to make him which is why his ki is similar.

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Zamasu wished for immortality and Black is his linked God of Destruction, which somehow is linked to him in many ways

Could be some sort of personification of Zamasu's fears and thoughts, Goku being the strongest and most hated by him

It's obvious by now that they are linked, and Black is a parasite of sort who is using Goku's body.

>>146714702
Do you really think people here are old enough beside you and I to understand what the fuck you're talking about?

>>146714732
>this body wants him
L-lewd

>>146714725
Or
Their ki is similar because Kakarot is the God of Destruction and they are linked.

All hail fabulous Kakarot, savior of the proud warrior race, the true Prince of Saiyans!

>>146714786
>Their ki is similar because Kakarot is the God of Destruction and they are linked.
But Supreme Kai doesn't have the same Ki as Beerus.

>>146712096
Honestly, i am interested in what is to come to dragon ball super.

>>146714714

>timelines

Zamasu is from a completely different universe.

>>146714786
>a fucking carrot
>god of destruction
ZENO!!

>>146713632
>>It overpowers Vegeta and sends him to the skies
>>The Kamehameha only seems to injure Vegeta's pride

This is factually incorrect.

Vegeta power-level went from 21,000 at the height of the beam-struggle down to 10,000 after the Kaioken x 4 Kamehameha.

Even though Goku was worse off at that point, Vegeta took a serious amount of damage. However, Vegeta didn't realize that Goku was wiped out, until after he came down and used his Oozaru form and turned that power-level of 10,000 to 100,000 due to the x10 multiplier the transformation gives.

Vegeta didn't just shrug that attack off, even if he didn't get vaporized. It's because that damage that Gohan was able to even hold Vegeta off later, after Vegeta loses his tail thanks to Yajirobe and ultimately eating a weakened Spirit Bomb.

>>146713808
it's probably because of their upbringing and the fact that Vegeta was wayyy stronger as a kid

>>146714810
Because he's a bitch and not fabulous at all.

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lol i also recognized the old (original) kamehameha sound when black fired it. And the ki aura sound when goku transformed in blue on kamitube.

>>146714822
Zamasu is from U10, but there are two different timelines where he exists in both.
Do you even watch the fucking show?

>>146714830
Never underestimate carrots.

This stupid skipping captcha shit is retarded.

>>146714822
Yes, and there are timelines, those expand across the universes as well, its why its so forbidden. Did you forget that U10 has a time ring solely because of a timeline split?

isn't goku dead/weak as shit in the future trunks timeline? So what the fuck would zamasu even know about him in future trunks universe?
It doesn't really make sense. Not to mention him being even stronger?

>>146714909

I do, but I'm smarter than you and can see laid can travel across timelines and universes.

>>146714880
imagine black without goku's hair, like maybe teen goten's hair or gohan's

>>146714732
subs where?!

>>146712729
LMFAO, that's cruel man, no need to bully Gohan fans further

>>146714975
Hell, what even happened to the heart virus he had!

>>146714975
Goku is dead yeah. He died from natural causes so he doesn't get to keep his body either in the after life.

>>146715004
I think he rocks goku's hairstyle better than goku himself. What i like most about his hair is that his is not shiny

>>146714947

>It's forbidden

As if that will stop Zamasu. He's obviously in Trunks' timeline because it's missing a grand Kai and God of destruction so he can run amuck freely.

>>146712096
dont wanna watch this episode 57 again anymore, that trunks leaving mai behind is just so painful to see again. even more heartbreaking than the last time when he thought mai was dead

>>146715020
Future Gohan was the best Gohan though, so no lost feelings.

>>146714975
Next week with the super dragon ball would answer lots of question I suppose

>>146715077
Well its also the timeline from where all the other splits occur. Either due to Heart Viruses, Android Blueprints, or other shenanigans.

On an interesting note, the sweater Future Trunks is wearing in Super from Bulma is the same sweater he has under his jacket in Xenoverse.

>>146714732
It doesn't make sense for future Zamasu to know who Goku is since they're from different universes and there was no Universe tournament with Goku in it nor did he ever meet Zamasu. They better be able to explain that but I'm sure they won't.

>>146713280
Buu was also aware of Gohan's growing power for the fucking 24 hours or however long it took for them to awaken, and stated he'd been waiting for him to finally show up.

why not just come back in time and kill Zamasu?
I bet my left testicle that the button whatever his omni name gave Goku will suddenly fall from his pocket in the last fight and then omniwhatever will solve it all. they drag black identity way too long for my taste

>>146715175
>It doesn't make sense for future Zamasu to know who Goku is
Unless Goku meeting Zamasu happened to both versions and was the catalyst for the change to begin with.

>>146715246
What change?

>>146714732
Black is Future Heart Virus

>>146715245
>why not just come back in time and kill Zamasu?
Two different timelines dude.
Killing the past one won't kill the future one because the past one is in a separate timeline.

Kind of like how Cell killed Trunks but a version of Trunks that didn't die came back.

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>yfw
>FINAL FLASH

>>146715246
How did he meet Future Zamazu if he was dead? The only explanation would be that he met the before he died. They live in two different universes and to top it off they never showed Goku in the after life in the future.

BATMAN WHEN

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>>146715292

>>146715009
Just use fucking dragonballtime and watch with pafu subs you morons.

Then wait your fucking week or more for dragonteam to perfect them and still incorrectly translate ningen as humans.

>>146714315
Vegeta didn't do shit to Black, he was toying with him

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>>146715325
wut

>>146715339
ZAMASU

>>146715325
NOW

>>146715175
Zamasu did meet goku though

>>146715295
Zamasu met him in the past m8.

They've specifically shown you they have the ability to move between timelines and universes.

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Trunks is one of my favourite characters, but I really disliked him this episode. The guy was getting his ass kicked by Black before he even got SSJR yet here he is, beating the shit out of both Black and Zamasu when both were tangling with fucking SSB Goku. And don't give me the Zenkai excuse. That's bullshit. Zenkais come only after being near-death, which Trunks wasn't. This episode has fucked the consistency of power harder than any episode before it.

There better be a good explanation for this when the subs come out.

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>>146715292

Subs are out

>>146715375
OH SHIT

>>146714752
I know *raises hand*, you must be over 30 ..lol

>>146715377
I don't think you understand how timelines and time travel works at all.

The timelines split long before Goku meets Zamasu in Super. It splits the moment Trunks kills Frieza/King Cold and gives Goku the Heart Virus Medicine. In Future Trunk's timeline, Goku has been long dead by the time he should have met Zamasu.

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>>146715292

>>146715245
> why not just come back in time and kill Zamasu?

It would just make a timeline where Zamasu is dead and when they got back to their normal time he'd still be alive. That's why Trunks mostly goes to the past to ask people to help him beat people up

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Have a another Gowasu. With a white earring?

>>146715089
Yeah. No. "i thought she was dead this time."
if something bad happens to her now. It's pretty much thanks to his failure.

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>>146715292

>>146715405
>*
>lol

Back to gaia or shiteddit or wherever you crawled from faggot.

>>146715381
It already went over the fucking place earlier.
>Buu Saga
>A fusion between two guys was 100x stronger than a guy who could bea the fuck out of them both solo with absorbed a guy who could beat the fuck out of them solo and absorbed another one who could beat the fuck out of them solo.

>>146715381
The explanation is literally that power levels are bullshit.

BATMAN IS HERE!!!! THE HERO WE NEED

>>146715269
The change to become the Zamasu in the future.
>>146715295
>How did he meet Future Zamazu if he was dead?
Because he met Goku from the main timeline and that meeting is what pushed Zamasu over the edge because Goku essentially humiliated him.
Fast forward and he's in U7's divergent timeline with a divergent U6 because as it turns out making one new timeline in one universe makes a new timeline in the other universes for balance reasons. Which is why there are 4 green time rings, for the four timelines that were made because of Trunks' antics.
Anyway he finds the super dragonballs, wishes for immortality, creates black in the image of the one who humiliated him and goes across the universe purging it of life.
He eventually gets to earth and has Black attack. He then comes across Trunks who then goes back to the past to get help sparking this whole chain of events.

What is it called, a causality loop?

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>Can challenge a god's sword full of his ki
>Cannot handle a fucking arm

>>146715414
NO MARTY, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FUTURE'S PAST AND STOP THE WISH, OR ELSE YOU WON'T EXIST ANYMORE.
>>146715436
>Gowasu creates Goku White after seeing Goku and then his fight with Hit
>Zamasu kills Gowasu and his heart corrupts Goku White into Goku Black just like the tea

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>>146715405
> *raises hand*
> lol

>[Batman] Dragon Ball Super - 057 [720p]
DOWNLOADING THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

>>146715490
Cyborgs have metal bones

>>146715449
Fusion's still MUCH less retarded than Trunks suddenly being Blue tier

Ningen and their waifus are annoying

>>146715490
>tfw Android 18 and 17 both have infinite potential and ki
>tfw they're never used again

This is when everyone actually needs you guys and would weird Future Trunks the fuck out, especially Park Ranger 17 saving the day. Put their asses in the Time Chamber for a few days.

>>146715490
it was a saiyan sword and when sayian sword breaks they grow back stronger

>>146712096
Vegeta could have killed of black goku easy. The same way as frieza soldier shot goku with his laser. But nooo Akira toryama wants to make goku kill black.

>>146715515
>implying Trunks was blue tier when he got his ass kicked every other time but that one scene
That's called luck nigger.

>>146715408
To be fair, timeline theory in dbz is different to the timeline theory in The Flash. I was confused at first, too.

>>146715464
Also, he chooses the U7 alternate future specifically because it doesn't have a god of destruction to stop him.

>>146715551
Its easier to say timeline theory in japanese products never makes sense because they use virtually every possibility and just slam it all together to try and make sense out of it.

Remember Japan follows the Rule of Cool, if its cool, add it in, figuring out the details later, or never, whichever.

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>People crying about power levels

There is nowhere stated how strong Black or Zamasu are. Also "power" is a general term, you can be fast as fuck, strong as fuck, or durable as fuck.

Maybe Black/Zamasu aren't that tanky (except for the immortality thing) because they feel every hit but are strong as fuck because they oneshoot most of the things they hit.

Basically it could be Base Trunks. As long as he dosn't get hit its fine.

>>146715582
Beerus could have still been sleeping at that point in time even if he was still alive and considering Rose's strength, he might actually be a match for Beerus.

>>146715545
He survived a Kamehameha meant for Blueku for no reason. Is that luck too? Or can we accept that Super's retarded?

>>146715607
You're still using too much logic.

Trunks stood his ground because it was cool.

>>146715551
I kind of like how DB does it in all honesty. Instead of just being one timeline as a whole that can change, any change causes a divergent timeline where both exist.

>>people don't complain when gohan was keeping up with the z fighters
>trunks gets the same treatment
>OMG SO RETARDED SHIT WRITING

>>146712327
How the fuck does Zamasu go from being able to fight with ssb Goku to ss2 Trunks getting the upper hand?

>>146715607
Except that's not how power has ever worked in Dragon Ball

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>post ur face when English-translated [Batman] Dragon Ball Super - 057 [720p]
>50 seeders 309 leechers

>>146715681
People will always bitch about something. They did it during DB, they did it during DBZ, they did it during DGBT, they're doing it in DBS now. This is why power level arguments are stupid. Toriyama stopped that shit after Frieza, yet people still argue about them.

>>146715690
>trunks
>getting the upper hand
U wot?

>>146715616
He clearly held back because he wanted to kill them with Zamasu. Having the ki of a god doesn't give you more health, he's probably more durable, but by a little, Blue gives him physical power, Speed and better ki control.

>>146715738
GT is kind of warranted to be fair.

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>Gohan doing dmg to Frieza
>Androids being stronger than Frieza
>Trunks oneshooting Frieza, couldn't handle the Androids
>Fusion of Goku/Vegeta being stronger than Buuhan
>kid Buu somehow not being oneshooted by Goku SSj3
>Vegeta beating Beerus
>Whis oneshooting Beerus
>Hit beating the fuck out of SSj Blue kaioken x10 Goku who is probably close to Beerus and yet being scared as hell of Champa who is weaker than Beerus.

Really who gives a fuck at this point. The fights are cool and the villains too, its all that matter.

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>>146715542
No, Vegeta was warm up

>>146715545
M8, Trunks went from SSJ2 level to Blue level without any kind of explanation or intermission between fights to show us how he got there. That's retarded. Sorry, but this guy is single-handedly destroying an already-fucked hierarchy of power in the verse.

>>146715743
Trunks ran him through with his sword, caught his ki charged hand, twisted him the fuck around, beat the shit out of him and then fired a final flash that would have killed him if he weren't immortal via the super dragon balls

>>146715813
I don't think you know what "upper hand" means in this context.
All of that is just Trunks panicking and Zamasu taking the piss.

>>146715582
There's clearly 2 Zamasu.

Dragonball's time travel is the kind where the dimensions aren't connected. Goku seeing Zamasu in the "canon" timeline should not matter to "future" timeline Zamasu because "future" timeline Zamasu never met Goku. He could still hate ningens but that doesn't mean he should know who Goku is. Because

"canon" timeline Zamasu and
"future" timeline Zamasu are two different people. One who is met Goku and one who hasn't. They better have a good explanation for future Zamasu knowing about Goku and it'd better not involve past Zamasu because the story-telling they've used for time travel before was that they're all separate dimensions that aren't connected to one another.

Guys. We have not met future zamasu. Since trunks split the timeline way back then it is impossible for them to have the same experiences.

This is past zamasu breaking all sorts of rules to fuck with lifeforms and goku in particular.

Future Zamasu never met goku.

>>146715446
>gaia
Not the same guy but, is that still even a thing, I havem't been there since I was 10?
Shouldn't it be as dead as myspace?

>>146715490
he coated it in haki obviously

>>146715769
He fired at a god tier and Trunks. Trunks is SS3 tier. He would've been dust if Super wasn't inconsistent as fuck about strength

>>146715792
Gohan was established to get retard strong when mad
Fusion was established to give absurd boosts (Gotenks)

>>146715886
Sadly that shithole is still up somehow.

>>146715681
Are you fucking stupid? These are God-level characters Trunks is dealing with here. They're on a completely different echelon of power that dwarfs the likes of fucking Vegetto, let alone Cell arc SSJ2 characters. Trunks has no business being in this fight full stop. Besides, Gohan was always foreshadowed to be amazingly strong through his anger as a child, Trunks was never even hinted to have that kind of potential for growth. Super is just retarded and made Trunks this way for the sake of convenience, nothing else.

>>146715792
Gohan only canonically hurt second and third form Frieza, and he barely felt that anyway. It was hinted during the whole thing he had some special hidden power since the very first time he appeared, it's crazie that he almost killed Raditz than him hurting Frieza, but both things are plausible with all the foreshadowing.

Technology, nothing wrong there.

See above.

Potara have been told to give a massive power boost, it's not just 1+1=2.

Fat Buu already gave Goku some trouble thanks to his great endurance, even if Goku was holding back, and it was said that Kid Buu actually got much weaker after absorbing the Kais, Kid Buu's moves were hard to predict and he could regenerate endlessly, Goku could not charge a move strong enough to completely disintegrate Buu in an instant, SSJ3 on a real body also put a lot of pressure on him and he couldn't control it well.

The rest of the complaints are all valid because Super is retarded trash.

>>146715862
>it'd better not involve past Zamasu
Remember the four other rings that has been created to due time alterations? I wouldn't be surprised if that was exactly the explanation seeing that the supposedly filler U6-U7 tournament actually now has some bearing in this arc.

>>146715862
>because "future" timeline Zamasu never met Goku.
He clearly did because he bears a grudge against him to the point where he wants to kill him personally.

Did it ever occur to you that Goku meeting Zamasu in the "canon" timeline was their first meeting?
What makes you think that they're two different versions when nothing was even implied in that way?

>>146715862

That's why I'm saying this isn't future Zamasu.

Future Zamasu is off somewhere being a Kai in his universe while this is happening.

Full Power SS2 Trunks 2strong
>tfw for once we have an arc that isnt "goku wins lol"

>>146715941
>Technology, nothing wrong there.
Kill yourself

Even assuming neither Black nor Zamasu were giving their all, why the fuck would they care about some shitty smoke grenades?

Fucking Tory has lost it.

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>>146715941
>Technology, nothing wrong there.

>>146715850
>example of why you are wrong
>"i don't think you understand, kid"

Okay faggot.

>>146716002
Their Ki sensing is clearly flawed, otherwise Black would've killed all of humanity already. Trunks was also surprised when Black managed to track him down to Bulma's place. Not even Frieza could sense Ki.

>>146715967

>still doesn't know how timetravel works in dragon ball

>>146716002
same reason Solar Flare works against litrrally everyone

>>146716056
>he thinks that the future still can't have an effect on the past in dragon ball when we've seen it before
>he thinks that Kai's with rings to each divergent timeline give a fuck about the rules

>>146715932
Well shit, color me suprised.
I didn't expect that place to be alive for so long.
How long does it exist, because I am fairly certain that the last time I wen there was like over 10 years ago?

>>146715967
Lets see, maybe the fact that the future and past dimensions AREN'T connected? This is why we get stuff like Cell killing another Trunks in Cell's "future" or "future 2" if you will timeline going back to the "canon" timeline to die and then when Trunks goes back to his "future/original future" timeline he kills the Cell that shows up there?

That is unless they decide to say they're connected in DBS but if they use their previous style of time travel story-telling then there should be 2 Zamasu. Pretty sure the narrator even mentions "mirai no zamasu" etc.

>>146716002
Toriyama is just giving them rough storyboards, same as he does with Toyo. He lets them have creative reign to do with it as they see fit.

>>146713272
He never did SSBxKaioken in the manga, so now maybe they're going to act as if it never happened? Does the manga retcon the show?

Even if not, i'm curious as to whether or not they're willing to step on the manga's toes once the manga has covered something, basically saying they have an agreement about their creative liberty and that was too far.

Even if they have no such thing, they might feel that it's not a good move to have both the manga and anime be too different anymore, so they are a bit more careful with their creative license. There's already a rift between whether the movies, super and the manga about which is better and which is the true canon or if they're all their own canon and maybe they want to avoid it. Certainly sounds like a good idea.

So What the fuck happens next episode lads?
>Zamasu clearly makes a wish using super dragonballs
>looks like he also kills Gowasu
>Goku goes to his planet again, meaning Beerus and Whis are involved
>Present Zamasu meets Goku again

Did he wish for immortality?
What are beerus and whis' reactions?
What's Goku's?

What the fuck can they do?

And we all know the saga goes on for quite a bit longer, so they're not using the zeno button for a while.

Reminder gohan's potential is not just typical saiyan-human vigor.

He literally has unlimited potential and can be as strong as however he trains himself to be regardless of normal kid or God ki.

>>146716099
I don't know, I was like 13 or 14 when I first remember it, and I'm 26 now.

dayuuum who did they have working on the animation for this episode!?
Combat was highly reminiscent of dbz.
Any chance they keep at it in the next episodes?

Literally everything is Gowasu's fault. Stop showing Zamasu shit that gets him mad you fucking retard.

>>146716002
They work because Super is stupid

>>146716111
>so now maybe they're going to act as if it never happened? Does the manga retcon the show?
Nah, they're both their own thing. So if it comes up in the show it doesn't affect the manga and vice versa.
That said Goku probably won't use it again because of the large risks.

>>146715976
>>146716032
not him but:

>Bulma and her father build crazy shit that surprises advanced aliens and literal gods

>it's somehow strange that a man that aforementioned geniuses consider an undisputed peer can't, with collected genetic samples and years' worth of revenge-fueled work create something that surpasses alien mutants

come on

>>146716111
You clearly didn't pay attention during the Hit fight. KKx10 only has a 10% of working. The other 90% the form would kill him. That's why he isn't using it.

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>>146716147
It almost seems like he's doing it on purpose. He has the face of a schemer.

>>146716216
There's also a high chance that he could permanently damage his body too. So it wouldn't kill him but it would kill his fighting lifestyle.

>>146716216
He's not using it because it doesn't happen in the manga.

Also, in the anime, that doesn't matter any more. He did it once, he knows how to do it, he could do it again.

They had an entire filler episode dedicated to showing why he could never do it again, anime-wise. He got some sort of ki-sickness and King Kai said that if he did it again he could end up never being able to control Ki again

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>>146716250
>yfw Buu was never killed in the Future just prevented from being awoken and he becomes released from all the mayhem that Black has unleashed.

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>>146716147

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>there were 5 time rings shown in episode 53
>one was white, 4 were green
>the 4 connect to separate timelines
>the white connects to the current timeline
>due to Trunk's shenanigans, 5 timelines exist

This and my picture can probably explain what's going on in Super right now. Anyone have any theories?

>>146716290
Babidi is dead.

>>146716290
Manga trunks can kill Fat Buu tho ez pz. He is on par with SSJ3 goku and he doesn't fuck around.

>>146716306
Did Babidi even cast I spell to release Buu? I forgot. I thought he just exited as soon as his ball filled up with energy.

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>>146716290
>Buu (Black Absorbed)

>>146716250
>He's not using it because it doesn't happen in the manga.
You do know that the manga and anime are their own separate continuities, right? One doesn't follow the other. KKx10 exists in the anime, it doesn't in the manga.

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why does Trunks have a sword on his back even tough the previous and next scenes show him with sword in hand?

>>146716290
That sure would matter with how hard Super's fucked any sense of strength this series had

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Can Zamazu sense KI through the television?

>>146716354
lel

>>146716330
He didn't. Buu just awoke due to all the energy released. Though they had to have those energy devices that captured it or a Majin directly sending energy back from fighting.

I hate Super for making me like Trunks less. Fuck both Toei and Toyotaro.

You heard it here first superfags, you can screenshot this post, either Buu or Cell (most likely Buu) is going to come from an alternate universe and absorb Black, then Zamasu will have to team up with the Z fighters to save the day.

They're just reusing character designs, so it might be Brown Buu or something like that.

>>146716333
Only because the Manga lags behind. Its an excuse. The real reason they differ is just because toei runs ahead with the anime and might only learn about what exactly's happened later. Its why they don't instantly explain that the future U7 Kaioshin and God of Destruction are dead when Trunks first arrives. It's not because "they're separate canon", its because the manga is far behind.

>>146716404
I hope you realise that makes no sense at all.

>>146716399
Cell will never show up again unless they find an excuse to get rid of his spots.

>>146716354
Kai-Tube is superior to filthy ningen-tube and can transmit ki levels

>>146716433
Explain why it makes no sense.

I really don't understand why people on /a/ are so autistic about this shit. You can't handle simple explanations, everything has to have an in-universe explanation even though its obvious what the real reason is; that toei ran ahead and did something stupid that is non-canon.

>>146716303
Fucking Trunks he fucks with time more than any villain

>>146716438
Kai-Tube is 3DPD and therefore inferior to Eleven Ningen-Tube.

>>146716303

There are only two timelines as far as toriyama is concerned.

>>146716354

>Comparing pathetic ningen television to god-tube.

>>146712148
Why do people still think Black ISN'T Goku when this shows him with his body?

>>146716487
>Explain why it makes no sense.
Because one doesn't affect the other in the slightest?

Both teams are doing their own thing. Which is why Kaioblue x10 exists, and SSG was reused in the manga. Not to mention Hit jobbed hard in the manga and had a totally different personality.

>>146712397
>So he gone from 'base goku beats him up' to 'kan fight against blue' ?
Goku was in SSJ2 when he beat him, not base.

>>146714671
Zamasu is immortal

Black is the god of destruction

they are tied.

>>146712397
Imagine a lv50 vs a lv100. Normally the lv100 would wreck the lv50, but what if the lv50 has a special ability that makes everything do 0 damage against him? That's basically Zamasu now. That's also why Trunks didn't insta-die against Zamasu.

>Next time they go to the future they bring Whis and Beerus
What happens

>>146716340
That's Toei for you

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reminder that power levels dont mean shit when trunks is involved

>>146716614
>Whis
>ever getting involved

I'd rather have Hit getting hired to ice Black

>>146716614
Black and Zamasu use the pothara

>>146716660
>Vegetto still wrecks them due to sheer power of bullshit

take all my zeni

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>>146716303
This is the timeline, it doesn't make a bit of sense.

>>146716646
I mean Whis goes because Beerus is going, not because he is going to fight
>>146716660
>They beat Beerus
>Cyan Vegetto
YES

>>146716660
>tfw Black and Zamasu fusion is Zaku
>tfw we Gundam now

ZEON FIGHTS FOR NINGEN RIGHTS

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>Gowasu wants to be a kami-tuber
ayyyyyyyy

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>Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegetto
>But they don't unfuse
>Vegetto is now the main character of DBS and Goku and Vegeta are gone forever

How would you react?

>>146716679
>it doesn't make a bit of sense.
That's because you're thinking of it in the conventional way when you should be thinking of it as every timeline is canon and true.

>>146716744
Perfect.

>>146716744
T B H I expected Vegetto (who is invoked to kill the final villain) to simply become the next Hakaishin, or perhaps go to Zeno to become one of Hakaishin handlers alongside Whis and his kind.

>>146716679
>All this mess happened because of Future Trunks
now I realized why he lost his best friend, his mother and probably his girlfriend; Zeno is just fed up with him.

>>146716644
>says that
>gets rekt next couple panels

>>146716501
>Oh no a bad guy is attacking us!
>Waaaah I can't help myself so instead of trying to get stronger I'll just put the entire fabric of reality at risk by going back in time, an extremely forbidden action, to cry to Daddy and Goku-san about my troubles
>They can fight my battles for me and win like they always do!
And people like this faggot? Why?

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>>146716298

>>146716757
Oh I'm not saying they aren't. They are all main timelines and canon timelines from their respective points of views, I'm just saying it never really makes sense, at least 3 and 4 existing, since everything happens the same other than them finding the blueprints, which knowing Trunks I don't think he would have the patience in those timelines to not blow the place to hell and back.

Its silly, only 1 and 2 might as well exist, 3 and 4 are irrelevant other than to explain where Cell comes from. Which could have just been explained a lot simpler by saying Cell stole the time machine and used it at a different point in time after Future Trunks had went back instead of he killed Trunks and took it and having to make up two other timelines.

Post yfw you will never watch kaitube

>>146714384
His wish will obviously be for invincibility. I don't think Black will be created by them.

>>146715792
People seem to not get an obvious fact in pretty much all of DB: Ki doesn't work like a level in an RPG. It's more like a pool, which you can use in various ways. The higher someone's ki, the more 'ki' they have to use in these various ways.

Someone way weaker can burst all their ki in one attack and do some damage against way stronger foes, especially if the guy is caught unaware. That's kid gohan doing dmg against freeza and that was Trunks doing dmg against SSR Black.

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>>146716815

>>146716815
What other channels videos are on the Kai-Tube?

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>>146716815

>>146716774
F. Trunks should have spec'd into luck more. I blame Bulma though, she should have had some idea that maybe changing the past wouldn't affect them whatsoever.

>>146716290
>Buu gets 4 months of training

>>146715381
>There better be a good explanation for this when the subs come out.
The explanation is "training", even though he had no time to train.

Really, the anime staff fucked up. Just wait for the manga if you want an explanation.

>>146716854
Zamasu has a channel of ranting.

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>>146715526
Fucking a that would be amazing, legit android 17 and 18 are still on the earth i the present time. Just get whis to train them, they do have infinite potential. Fuck this idea sounds awesome all hail 17 and 18

So...are we in some kind of time paradox where Zamasu wishes himself for inmortallity in the present and then traveled to the future where he fought Vegeta, Trunks and Goku?

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>>146716815

Why do people act as if FT Goku got deleted from existence? Yes they couldn't wish him back but he went back to Kai's place in the afterlife.

Probably that's where Zamasu got him from anyways, maybe wished to corrupt him or maybe he stole his body from the afterlife with Kai power or shit like that.

>>146716877
>even though he had no time to train.
Nigga they literally have a fully fueled TIME MACHINE.
They can train for as long as they want.

When Trunks came back the second time he even said he wanted to come back earlier in time but didn't have enough fuel for the trip.

Let me reiterate they have a TIME MACHINE.

>>146716895
Toriyama: Sorry, but 18 is busy being a mama and 17 is busy feeding squirrels acorns.
>>146716919
He died of natural causes, he doesn't get to keep his body in that case.

>>146716788

Vegeta said Goku cheated and transformed into SSJ Blue in a fraction of seconds to beat Trunks with one hit.

>>146716932
Could have just said Time Chamber. Doesn't matter to Saiyans they age slower, just spend a week/7 years in there. Vegeta would only be like 56-57, Goku like 49-50, and Trunks like 40. They'd be fine and be ridiculously strong, and Trunks would likely learn SSB in that time frame too.

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>>146715381
1. Zamasu was never stronger than any of the main fighting cast and while he could put up some resistence to Goku even before, he always lost. This time he was immortal so fighting potential was irrelevant.
2. Trunks mostly fought Zamasu and only handled Black a couple of times. Trunks has fought Black plenty of times before and was still alive so it's not like he's irrelevant as far as Black's fighting is concerned.
3. You're an imbecile along with all the others who replied and failed to point out the obvious. It's like you haven't even watched this arc.

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>>146716977
Seriously? Is the manga trying to make Trunks into Itachi or what?

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>>146716815

>>146716932
I think the time machine is capable of traveling between timelines OR creating new ones.

Timelines "time" passes in parallel with same speed, it's like a parallel universe in a sense.

So he could create ANOTHER timeline or just go back to save his own.

>>146716955
I'll need source on that. Black's existence seems to disprove that, since he must have found Goku's body somewhere, and it obviously wasn't the weak Goku from Frieza saga.
Most likely Goku kept training in afterlife, but somehow got his body stolen by Black, but he didn't know how to fully use his powers until he fought present time Goku.

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>>146716890
>Zamasu is a /pol/ follower on the Kamiboards
>Zamasu making videos about how bad filthy ningens are

>>146716977
Whis said it, but same thing.
>>146717014
They're just trying to give a legit excuse as to how strong Black is if even Full Power SSJ2 Trunks on SSJ3 levels is getting his shit pushed around.

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>>146716854

>>146717021
It's hard to explain what the time machine is but basically it can go into any time line at any point in it's native universe as long as it has the fuel to do so. If it had fuel reserves or was more conservative(?) with it then it could expand its range. As it stands though it was only designed with what a seven year, I think, voyage there and back?

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>>146717086

>>146717023
He's a little off. The Dragon Balls can't restore someone who has never died of natural causes, I don't recall anything about not keeping your body though. Goku was a very special exception to the rule, and apparently Frieza now.

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>>146717116
What a piece of shit.

>>146717082
>They're just trying to give a legit excuse as to how strong Black is if even Full Power SSJ2 Trunks on SSJ3 levels is getting his shit pushed around.
By making Trunks stronger?
That doesn't really make sense.

Also if Trunks is as SSJ3 tiers in SSJ2 that would mean that Trunks is literally stronger than Goku and Vegeta in base because they work on multipliers.

The manga has fucked up power levels man.

>>146717136
>The Dragon Balls can't restore someone who has never died of natural causes

Earth dragon balls. As far as we know the Super Dragon Balls can grant ANY wish.

>>146717151
nah it's all bullshit, when two arcs before they were talking about working on their base form's KI control and transferring more and more into it.

Now they're still relying soley on the transformations. And then writers fuck up powerlevels completely, despite writing the plot to AGAIN work mostly on powerlevels.

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>>146717066
After Kami-tube, I would really enjoy if there was a kami-ch.

>>146717116
>Cheater
Cry more bitch.

>>146717179
could you ask for all universes to disappear?

>>146716955
>He died of natural causes, he doesn't get to keep his body in that case.
Nothing has ever been said about that. They keep their bodies if they're considered "heroes" and there's no reason a natural death would suddenly make them not heroes.

>>146717151
Well no. He could have just trained in that form for so long that its power specifically is multiplying even higher than what it should be. Remember this is how it worked for Goku/Gohan in Full Power SSJ1. Trunks has been doing it for like 10 years now and probably getting zenkai boosts from Black kicking his ass as well.

>>146717151
>Also if Trunks is as SSJ3 tiers in SSJ2 that would mean that Trunks is literally stronger than Goku and Vegeta in base because they work on multipliers.

Think about it like the SSJ variations in the Cell Saga. They had higher power multipliers even though they were still considered part of "SSJ1" rather than actual "SSJ2".

Heck, back before the Buu Saga, SSJ2 was called "SSJ Grade 5", following the nomenclature of those SSJ levels from the Cell Saga.