Danganronpa 3

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no, but you will get despair

3 eps left

>>146657766
I think they'll show a little more of it but, with the ships destroyed already.

>>146657907
I thought there were 4 eps left in both arcs?

>>146658118
4 for future 3 for despair

>>146658167
source?

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>yfw

>>146658206
Asahina's future hairstyle is also very similar to Chisa's

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Eight episodes in, it's time to decide.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11139713 (NEW)
http://www.strawpoll.me/11130430

BONUS:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11135116

>>146657766

I'm honestly more interested in the killing game, with how the Despair arc ruined the DR2 cast I'm not very optimistic for Jabberwock.

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>>146658251

I beg to differ

>>146658270
>Despair arc ruined the DR2 cast
How? If anything was ruin its their descent to despair is what ruin.

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>>146657766
That is the sexiest facial expression

>>146658270
I don't think the DR2 cast was ruined, they were just made side characters in their own story and that is kinda ass.

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>>146658181
AT-X doesn't have an episode 12 for Zetsubou-hen scheduled. Instead there's a "special program".

There are some tweets from Kodaka and Megumi Ogata that say Zetsubou-hen is 12 episodes total but we don't know if they're counting the special program as the twelfth episode.

>>146658395
So, 11 episode Despair basically unconfirmed?

Who knows, the special program might be another Kodaka troll.

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hmm the first BD also comes with a 100-page settei book that apparently includes details about a scrapped ending for the first game.

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I'm still stunned by hopeman pulling out a fucking gun.

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MORAL HIGH GROUND
KOMAEDA IS STILL YET TO DO A SINGLE THING MORALLY WRONG

>>146658303
Future. FUTURE.

>>146658432
Yes, there were some anons saying that it's just a VA commentary thing but I don't know how they know that.

It would make sense for Mirai-hen to have the final episode though considering when both arcs take place.

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>>146658461

>>146658551

Another possibility is the final episode of zetsubou is a timeskip to after the end of mirai, where all of the RODs wake up from their comas and komaeda and izuru fuck

That would be a special program like kodaka said

kodaka writes kamukoma fanfiction.


>Komaeda: Is the bullet stuffed up…?

*click*!

>Komaeda: Is my nose stuffed up…?

*achoo!*

>Kamukura: If it’s decongestant medicine, I have that as well.

>Komaeda took the decongestants while blushing. It was because he was touched by Kamukura’s kindness.

>>146658344
>>146658391

It's exactly that, I feel. The DR2 cast basically remained static throughout Despair with little to no changes, so I guess you could say watching them became fucking boring, whatnot with all the more interesting stuff going on (Hope's peak conspiracy, Chiaki-Juzo-Munakata triangle). The issue isn't that DR2 are bad characters, it's that their screentime was used so pointlessly when it could have been spent developing other events.

>>146658514
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about hope, you little bitch?

>>146658571
I can see that happening since Kodaka has turned the fan pandering to a new level with both arcs. I get the feeling that we will get a happy ending.

So do you guys want to have a critical discussion about any plot elements

or do you want to waifupost?

>>146658571
>komaeda and izuru fuck
Fujo pls. Izuru is Hajime now who doesn't stand in the greatest of term with Nagito

>>146658677
I'll talk with you. What did you have in mind?

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>>146658677
Why not both and just take part in which interests you most?

>>146658691
>Izuru is Hajime now
Mirai clearly showed he still has izuru eyes
All DR2 said was "I will live on as hajime" but that doesn't mean he reverted to his pre-izuru form. He still has all of the SHSL abilities and shit

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>>146658677

husbandopost tbqh

>mind hack candies
>mind hack videos
>on top of the mind wiping bullshit Junko later gets access to anyway
I'm worried about what V3 is gonna have

>>146658344
>>146658391
I honestly do feel that they messed up Mahiru, she's a completely different sort of character to how she was in DR2.

and yeah, their "fall to despair" might as well have just been left to our imagination

>>146658677
Why not both?

>>146658750
Its better to say its now Izuru who has the same values as Hajime.

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>>146658794

Do you think Uchi helped kodaka write the plot?

>>146658738
Is saliva the only fluid that Kirigiri samples from dead bodies?

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>>146658731
>>146658738
Well since almost all Future arc mastermind/killer theories have been discussed to death, let's talk about the characters.
How would you make Yoi, Seiko, and Gozu's deaths more meaningful?
Is Munakata irredeemable?
Did you grow to love Juzo's antics?
How could Naegi be a more interesting protagonist?

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>>146658777
>777
Sasuga Hopeman

>>146658750
Hajime is Izuru while Izuru is also Hajime. They're one and the same now.

>>146658794
She suppose to be like this she was only putting up a wall around her cause she was around strangers to her in DR2.

>>146658841
can you get cummies from a dead body?

>>146658750
>>146658822
They're the same person.
It's not like Toko and Genocider, it's more like both personalities and experiences fused.

I want to taste Kirigiri's saliva.

>>146658861
>she was only putting up a wall around her cause she was around strangers to her in DR2
Perhaps I'm misremembering things but it seemed a lot more than just that. In Despair episode 3 she was passive as hell to what was going on around her when she went to visit Sato in the Reserve Course building, whereas in DR2 she wasn't afraid to pull punches at all.

>>146658851
I think it's hard to make deaths by the attacker meaningful since from what I can tell they just choose a random victim.

I feel like Yoi and Ruruka might be redeemable if they flashback to his death/whatever happened in the secret room, and expand on their apparent plans for a coup.

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Why do Juzo and Chisa want his dick so much?

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Lets talk about how great Chisa is!
I just love her. She's so loyal, motivated, and cute.
She also taught all my SDR2 pals about comradery.
It sure is nice to have such a great character in this anime!
Now, I understand that there's a lot of people out there who think she's the mastermind...
I highly doubt that personally but, if she is I am sure she'll be the most adorablest mastermind ever with only the best intentions.

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What the fuck was HER problem?

>>146659017
Persona 4 fags. Just ignore them.

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>>146657766
Nobody cares about shitterwock and literally Whojime. People just want to see Naegiri, Kirigiri solving murder mysteries, Manlet confronting Edgy Katana, and Junko.

>>146658441
I love this pic so much

>>146658932
Well she was going through bullying from Natsumi that would peg any person down into being more sub ask Mikan.

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>>146658851
>How would you make Yoi, Seiko, and Gozu's deaths more meaningful?
Seiko's was fine for me, Yoi and Gozu needed actual character development, we still don't even know what Gozu's NG code is.
>Is Munakata irredeemable?
Not really he's only killed Tengan so far and we don't even know if Tengan is innocent. He'll forever be a meme though.
>Did you grow to love Juzo's antics?
He's okay I guess
>How could Naegi be a more interesting protagonist?
Remove Kirigiri

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>>146659036
She couldnt score

>>146658555
>>146658777

hope

>>146658914
Yeah, i know. I'm just saying that pre-NWP Izuru didn't seem to care about anything really. But since his memories are now back, its likely that he does care for the UD's at least.

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>>146659061
>Nobody cares about shitterwock and literally Whojime

speak for yourself

Hajime > manlet HOPE XD

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What's she reaching for? Why's she putting her hand near her rectum?

>>146659081
Killing Tengan is irredeemable.
Tengan was a chill guy, taught Munakata a lesson in humility, told him the identity of the mastermind, and was going to die from his injuries anyways

And Munakata still killed him. What a fucking asshole. Not even a funny asshole like Juzo.

>>146659083

>Here lies Junko. She never scored.

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>>146659193

>>146659036
If i pulled that off would she die?

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ayo bitch im bout to shoot u to c if ur a shitty despair.
if u dont die we gud senpai

>>146659197
>>146659197
Tengan while doing some good is suspect as fuck.He's was feeding into Naegi head about how he's Ultimate Hope who can save us all and whatever he said to Munakata he went berserk.

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>>146658851
>How would you make Yoi, Seiko, and Gozu's deaths more meaningful?
Yoi just needed a bit more background. I get the feeling that he & Ruruka might get one more backstory scene covering Ruruka's weird lack of trust towards everyone, I do get the impression that Yoi was willingly letting himself get brainwashed by her dumb candies for whatever reason.

Gozu was alright, a cameo in Despair would've been nice.

>Is Munakata irredeemable?
Dunno, we know nothing about him. Or his plan.

>Did you grow to love Juzo's antics?
His lack of giving a shit is entertaining. Dunno what to think of the weird semi-love triangle thing they have going on with and Chisa & Munakata.

>How could Naegi be a more interesting protagonist?
At this point? Just kill him off, it's the only remotely interesting thing he can do in this story. "Hope" is as meaingless a word as Despair is at this point, why not embody that fact properly by killing off the SHSL Hope?

>>146659197
Tengan was cool and all but he is clearly suspicious. Being surprised about Mitarai's presence, what he said about the Izuru Kamukura project, the fact that he apparantly knows more about the true nature of DR3's game than he should, and so on.

>>146659197
There are a ton of things that make me suspicious of him.

>Why did his NG code force him to tell the truth? Is it because he was supporting all the cover ups at HPA?
>Why did he know who the traitor is? Why didn't he tell anybody?
>What was he talking about when he referred to other plans besides the kamakura project?
>His relationship with Mitarai

>>146659247
Monaca's favourite buttplug.

>>146659247
>>146659193

I wonder if Monaka ever made it back to her home planet.

>>146659081

Oh, shit. I get it. She's drawn like Maruko-chan, whose name is an anagram of 'Komaru.'

I feel dumb.

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>>146659390
not sure

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>>146659228
thats the joke.jpg

>tfw I realize I'm a Junkofag only out of pity for her ;_;

>>146658851

Munakata doesn't need to be redeemed. He hasn't done anything wrong.

If Naegi and co never realized the RoD, for all we know this killing game would have never happened.

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>>146659186
Ok, sorry, literally one shitposter in the thread cares about Whojime.

>>146659506
*released*

>>146659498
Why does she have a similar hairstyle to Chisa Yukizone?

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>>146659547
Not as similar as picrelated

>>146659197
Killing Tengan was the only thing he did right.

>>146659547
The fact that she's the only DR1 survivor that's been irrelevant since the first game really makes me think the theory's are true.

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>>146659597
Saved, friend!

Why is Makoto a dumbshit in DR3 when DR1 gave the impression that he was just as smart as Kirigiri or Togami?

>>146659506
You can actually argue that he hasn't done anything wrong, but then saying
>If Naegi and co never realized the RoD, for all we know this killing game would have never happened
is too much of a stretch, we don't know enough about the nature of DR3's killing game yet. Might be the case, but it's not a conclusion you can reach yet when all we have to consider is that
>Munakata already wanted Makoto out since DR1
>There's a traitor of some sort within the FF already, presumably the one who is masterminding this shit
>There's been no suspicious activity from the RoDs on Jabberwock since DR2's ending, so seemingly they're not directly behind what's going on at FF HQ

There are theories that Munakata was planning a purge of the FF to begin with in order to assume full control, we already know that he doesn't particularly care about deaths as long as it's in the name of Hope. May or may not be true but it'd be interesting if the events at FF HQ was initially his plan but then due to the activities of the traitor went terribly wrong.

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>>146659737
He can't stop thinking about how exactly Junko will be coming back

>>146659036
How did all her hair fit under that mask?

>>146659737
>gave the impression that he was just as smart as Kirigiri or Togami
What? It was always portray as average it was only everyone else were as smart as rocks.

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>>146659799

>>146659827
watch some cosplay videos

>>146659838
Because Naegi was the only one able to spot contradictions and point out new possibilities.

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>>146659827
Fuck that, how did her junkos fit under there?

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>>146658206
>>146659799
>>146659865
No

So I watched the first season of Danganronpa, but I dropped it around Ep 9 cause it got repetitive and I wasn't even that interested in the characters. Then I found out there were these two sequels coming out this summer, but I was told I needed to play the game to understand them. And now I keep seeing this anime everywhere like it's an AOTS contender.

Should I give it a second chance? Is this current season really worth it/different from the first? And if so, what's the watching order and can I really watch it without having played the game?

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>>146659928
No, fuck off, we dont like animefags here

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>>146658514
>KOMAEDA IS STILL YET TO DO A SINGLE THING MORALLY WRONG
trying to blow up the gym isn't morally right.

>>146659883
>spot contradictions
Cause he was the MC.
>point out new possibilities
Which Kirigiri and sometimes Togami already knew.

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>>146659597

>>146659928
you might as well watch the last few episodes of the anime, then play 2, then watch 3

>>146659928
You can watch the games if you want, just make sure you see 2 before 3.

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>>146659957
Cumaeda and Cuckzuru fags are oblivious to their wrongdoings and how Izuru has now already killed someone, and nearly killed Cumaeda too

>>146657907
Both arcs have 18 episodes each.

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>>146659996

>>146660118
>junkofags thinking naegg belongs to this fucker
naegi belongs to literally no one
how does this even come across your minds?

>>146660094
12 you dick

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>tfw you are so freaky you even make Junko herself feel uncomfortable

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>>146660152

>>146659799
>>146659865
>>146658206
Junko and Chisa will swap places
Chisa goes to Ryota's anime room and meets Junko
Junko decides to swap places with her
Junko can become the new teacher and despair them like that and Chisa could be a good replacement for Junko
Best thing would be Chisa actually being Ryoko and "Junko" in DR0, while the real Junko is the monokuma maid working on the reserve course and furthering her own plans
Junko doesn't tell anyone and tries to figure out how well Chisa can play her part after being mind-cracked by Yasuke to use her as a long-term replacement
Yasuke actually was a true Ultimate Despair and not really Junko's childhood friend but that was just the memories implanted in Chisa, or maybe he is her childhood friend it's irrelevant
Nobody knows about the body swap except Yasuke, who is then supposedly killed while actually he just disappears and infiltrates the FF in order to hijack the NWP for despair purposes after rewriting Chisa's and Mukuro's memories into believing he's dead, and Junko herself, Chisa doesn't know because they messed with her head, Mukuro doesn't realize because she was messed with too
Before Mirai-hen Junko and Yasuke found another person to replace her again and killed her to start off Mirai
Yasuke is leading the assault on Jabberwock while Junko is taking care of the killing game
Junko and Yasuke use the same process used for making Izuru to give Chisa the Analyst talent to let her take Junko's place
Ryoko is actually a temporary byproduct to have Junko's personality implanted and Chisa's being destroyed like Hajime's was, and since they're not just implanting a talent but a whole personality unlike with Izuru it's necessary to have this temporary phase where the old personality is crushed as the new one slowly takes place

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>>146660216
>it was just one line

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>>146660238
Two lines.

NaeJunko fags please shut the fuck off

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>>146660221
bingo

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>>146660261
>people are this delusional

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>>146660282
No

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I wish they'd just spent 30 seconds at the start of the episode showing Junko acting affectionate to her or something.
Fuck this shit

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>>146660315
This IS the only time in the series someone says they love someone else

>Junko didn't convince class 77 to despair, it was all an anime takes accountability off of them too
Fuck Kodaka

>>146658201
>red eyes
Is Genocider a Despair?

>>146660328
Something something Despair is Affection

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SOON

>>146660362
That is so retarded,Mikan is only a fuckin masochist.

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>>146660357
>expecting Junko to be some kind of mind-influencing reaper satan

>>146660357
Junko is a shit villain, more news at 11.

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>>146659193
You know why.

>>146659741

You are correct. There is nothing definitive about how the killing game started. I'm only offering it up as a possibility. It could easily not be the case and refuted next episode.

I guess I was just thinking that Naegi is the centerpiece by which this killing game was formed around. That if he didn't do the things he did and have all the FF members together, it might not have happened.

But once again, I have no evidence for it

>>146658851
>How would you make Yoi, Seiko, and Gozu's deaths more meaningful?
Make Zetsubou-hen 2cour. Spend more time showing the classes, not just 77, but also the ones relevant to the Mirai-hen characters (especially Yoi, Seiko and Ruruka - it's not quite so necessary in Gozu's case), so as to give us some time to form a connection to them in a natural way as opposed to flashbacks or sequences that are clearly intended to be shown prior to one of those characters' imminent death.

>Is Munakata irredeemable?
He's been irredeemable for a while now. His plan with Chisa and Juzo looks more and more ominous with each passing episode, and their extremist views on combating despair are completely worthless. Now he's just a raging lunatic going after the clear mastermind - we just don't know who that is or what Munakata's fate will be. If Kodaka makes him survive and gives him a good ending, as I unfortunately expect him to, then he'll forever be a hack in my eyes.

>Did you grow to love Juzo's antics?
He's entertaining, but the Juzoboys and especially the guy who came up with the pasta in the first place are a much bigger reason why I've been finding him more bearable as of late.

>How could Naegi be a more interesting protagonist?
He's fine, he just doesn't suit a 1cour anime very well. The length is a bigger problem than his current characterization. He's already been useful, so I want him to keep that up and continue doing useful things of his own initiative.

>>146660401
>dat face
I think even Junko was disgusted with Mikan

>>146660536
She was, even if it's kinda her fault for turning her like that

>>146660498
To add to what I said on Munakata, at this point I don't just want him to die - with Tengan gone and the highest-ranking current survivor being Munakata himself, I want the Future Foundation to be utterly obliterated, with someone like Naegi creating a new organization that is focused more on rehabilitation and which especially follows Tengan's original ideals. That is, unless we somehow learn that his plans were bad as well, but in spite of the knowledge (regarding the projects, this killing game etc) he took with him to his grave, his words to Hajime early on don't make him suspicious enough in an antagonistic sense in my eyes.

>>146660385
This is Chiaki, right?

>>146660638
Chiaki and Izuru's daughter.

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>>146660498
For a second I misread your post and thought you were saying the Juzoboys made him unbearable for you, glad to see I was wrong.

>>146660357
>takes accountability off of them too
What did you expect? We already knew they were essentially brainwashed/mindbroken in some way

>>146660328
>>146660357
Don´t would be more easy make Twogami her beloved? all the Junko shit is so rushed

>>146660401
>>146660357
>the only people Junko herself manages to turn are a guy who was lobotimised into having no sense of moral direction at all, her siscon sister and a bunch of dumb pre-schoolers who had the worst upbringings of all time and didn't know any better
>everyone else was through video mind hack
What the fuck, atleast it was amibguous how shit she was before

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>>146659957
It was extremely morally right, he took away funds from a corrupt school that was stealing money from innocent normalfags to fund dangerous human experimentation to create an uncontrollable and violent ubermensch and he delayed the test so his classmates could be better prepared for it. Everything he does is for the sake of others, he even killed himself in an attempt to save the world from the Remnants of Despair.

>>146660638
Did you see any MOLE ON THE BOOB?

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>>146660279

>>146660790
It was removed. It would have gotten in the way of all her new talent.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ01m9d1uGg

English Komaeda sounds like a joke.

>that fucking laugh

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>>146660791
cute

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>>146660790
Did you mean ON THE BOOB MOLE

>>146660821

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1xfoaAsp0I

I could I ever stop listening to this

>>146660821
Don't scroll down to the comments or you'll have an aneurysm at all the retards who can't tell that Bryce Hackenbrook is horribly unfitting for Komaeda and think he's better because "omg he sounds so epic and evil"

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>>146660834
It's BOOB THE MOLE ON you jackass!

>>146660357
Nothing that wasn't implied by one of the NWP's purposes being to remove brainwashing and Naegi deciding to put them into the NWP and protect them from the FF (and Togami and Kirigiri helping Naegi with that)

>>146660757

Everything is brainwashing. Just watch the attacker be brainwashed Naegi or some bullshit like that.

>>146660498
I honestly don't know why Naegi is the protagonist of this one, other than, of course, the fact that the was the protag in DR1.
He does nothing to move the plot forward, for some reason Kodaka neutered his movement with his forbidden action, and you could replace him with a heavy antique phonograph stuck repeating "HOPE AND FRIENDS" from Asahina's back, once every couple episodes.
Munkata and Ruruka are objectively shit characters and yet both still get more screentime, plot relevance, and characterization than this retard self-insert ahoge.
Kodaka even noted through space NEET that Naegi was useless without his girls, why can't he do what he did in in DR1 and collect clues, brainstorm theories, and shoot down red herrings?

>>146660757
The most shitty writing that i have seen.

>>146660729

DR2 strongly implied that it was a combination of the Twilight Syndrome murder and each character's tragic backstory that allowed her to turn them. Nope, turns out it was just a magical mind control despair anime all along.

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>>146660952
The whole point of his NG code is that he cant run away and only has his words.

>>146660821
>>146660856
I just feel like the voice director told Hackenbrook that Komaeda was an evil Naegi, so all sense of subtlety flew out the window.

>>146660981
He can run away though, just not in hallways

>>146660969
Seriously,why Kodaka just ruined everything?

>>146660981
>he can't run away!
>only has words
>Therefore, every episode with him in it is Asahina bailing him out and piggybacking him away from Juzo/Munkata as he gets completely ignored

I fail to see how this is an improvement

>>146660969
It's most likely the death of Chiaki that will turn them into Despairs, though they skiped an entire year of school and we didn't see any good interaction between them to make an impact

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BOOB

>>146660952
>>146660981

He really hasn't been in a position to do anything. Hell, until the last episode Kirigiri hadn't done anything either. I mean, what is he even supposed to do in this situation?

>>146660969
Actually, the brainwashing fits. Remember when they were all despairing during the final trial?
Looks awfully like they were being brainwashed.

>>146661064
So basically, what you're saying is, it all comes down to the fact that Kodaka is a fucking hack and has no idea how to tell a good story with characters more complex than a toaster

>>146661064
why not make the protagonist someone who is in a better position then, that's what the anon was getting at I think

so Junko has no ability to brainwash people on her own? bullshit

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>>146660952
It doesn't feel like any one person is the protagonist. I would argue that Kirigiri is more of a protagonist than Naegi is this time.

>>146660969
I still fail to see the problem with this
>But that removes blame from them
And? Given Naegi, Togami and Kirigiri's actions in DR2, and the NWP being stated to help with brainwashing, there was always an implication that they shouldn't be blamed for their actions
Hell, didn't Naegi say in DR2's last trial that their real selves were just brainwashed?

>>146660707
No, they've easily been the best part of these threads. I hope they keep it up.

>>146660952
Yeah, I agree with the Naegi point. He's done some useful things, but he's really not doing enough to make him stand out as a protagonist in any way other than us knowing him as such. I still blame the anime's limitations for that though.

>>146661121

Don't change the protagonist, put him in a position to be relevant instead. It's been eight out of twelve episodes and only now is something actually starting to happen.

The real problem is >>146661118

>>146661154

We already knew they were brainwashed and crazy, the problem is that it's revealed to be through a subliminal mind control anime that Junko just happened to conveniently stumble upon rather than anything she actually did.

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Perorin!

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>>146661140
>mfw based on screen time and characterization, Munkata, Juzo, and Ruruka are more likely to be the protagonists than Kirigiri, Asahina, or Naegi

>mfw the most interesting thing Kodaka could do for one of the original cast is kill them off

>>146661135
Evidently not.

Say goodbye to her manipulation, goodbye to her mastery of psychological tricks, goodbye to her expert misdirection and ruses.

Say hello to mindhack anime, mindhack candies, memory erasing serums, and living plot devices like Mukuro and Izuru.

>>146661214
Junko had to kidnap Mitarai and use her own tricks to turn his Hope anime into a despair anime. Remember Ryota's purpose was to use it for hope, not despair
Also, after this episode, I seriously doubt Junko'll be able to use Ryota (given how disgusted he is by what he saw), so she'll have to complete it herself

Serious question:

Would any of the killing games actually work without the memory erasing bullshit?

Don't say the student council one either, because that was bullshit as well. "Kill each other or else I'll kill you"

Yeah right.

So have we all finally accepted that Junko exists only so that DR1 could have a novel twist and she is actually a dreadful character?

Kohacka has written himself into a corner with her and Zetsubou-hen is dropping in quality every second since she showed up.

Only Junkofags will defend her

>>146661265
>I seriously doubt Junko'll be able to use Ryota (given how disgusted he is by what he saw), so she'll have to complete it herself
You forgot 2 things:

Izuru is Junko's lapdog
Izuru has every talent.

>>146660498
>>146660601

You're retarded

>>146661231

The more we see of any of the background stuff the lamer and lamer it gets.

Take Mukoro for example. She was this mysterious character that was betrayed by her own sister. We know she must have done some awful things but we also have the idea that she might have been redeemed if she just got to interact with normal people for a longer time. Now that we get to see her in action she's just a boring thug who only exists so that Junko can do whatever she wants and get away with it.

This is almost venturing into Star Wars prequel territory.

>>146661293
This wasnt insightful the first 50 times you posted it.

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>not only did Monaca end up being a better Junko than Junko
>she also eventually realises how dumb the central conflict is and ragequits from the plot

>>146661314
Quality discussion.

>>146661290

No, if the characters had their bonds of friendship they'd never do it, it was deliberately set up that way to make the twist in DR1 so tragic.

That's why the student council all going nuts and turning on each other in a matter of seconds is so stupid.

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>>146661322
>This is almost venturing into Star Wars prequel territory.
From my point of view, Hope is evil!

>>146661293
In DR1 and DR2, Junko was a decent character counterpoint to the "hope"-meme spouting Naegi/Komaeda. Works well as both a plot device, a nice pair of tits, and mascot.

Really don't know what Kodaka was thinking while writing the despair arc, to be honest.

>>146661231
>mindhack
Why is it that most people complaining use this ZE meme?
Stop projecting your butthurt about ZTE into another franchise, you retards
In fact, in my eyes. anyone who uses "mindhack" is a retard who's not worth taking seriously
>>146661305
And Junko convinced Izuru to help her by herself without any brainwashing
>>146661322
Mukuro isn't acting any different from how she was in Zero.
Sorry if you wanted her to be redeemable, but IF was a fanfic by Narita.

>>146661290
>Would any of the killing games actually work without the memory erasing bullshit?
No, that's why it's there.

Which is supposed to be tragic but in both DR1 & 2 it's really just there to hide an extremely dumb plot twist about the truth of the cast to the point where it's hard to give a shit about it really.

>>146661376
Mindhack is just a joke anon, don't get buttflustered over it. It'd be the same if we said brainwash.

>>146661293
Stop spouting the same retarded garbage

>>146659061
>>146659523
You've gotta be fucking retarded if you think no one cares about Jabberwok

>>146661350
Nobody cares.

>>146661376
>And Junko convinced Izuru to help her by herself without any brainwashing
Did she? She promised to show him something interesting. He seemed as bored as ever until the glasses nerd shot him.
And I'm not convinced that small action was enough for him to completely go along with her bullshit, but apparently it is.

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>>146661231
But she still has those things. All this is doing is making Junko not a magic wizard, but instead a charismatic girl who wants to fuck the world up.

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>>146661376
This thread has one person who comes in here on cue every day to argue with himself about Junko being a bad villain and Kodaka being a hack. Its become so obvious that its easy to ignore.

What are some of the best Danganronpa videos on Youtube?

Here is one:

https://youtu.be/OLQGtH6NMVk

>>146661350
>only remotely interesting aspect of Makoto's part of Mirai-hen
>drop her immediately after the reveal
what was the point of that?

>>146661424
>But she still has those things.
Where have they been demonstrated?

>>146661391
A joke powered by butthurt over another franchise
A joke that's basically "ZE used brainwashing in a way I didn't like, so now brainwashing is inherently bad"
The problem is that people are acting like brainwashing is inherently bad because of ZE, and that's retarded

>>146661305
>Izuru is Junko's lapdog

Is he?

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I still love Junko mostly because of how entertaining she is is and her being crazy
>>146661455
While brainwashing anime wasn't a good idea she still managedto get a bunch of kids to murder each other in a few minutes and organize a mass revolt from the reserve course, she mindjacked Izuru and Mikan without the anime

>>146661462
>so now brainwashing is inherently bad
That's not what people were saying at all
who gives a shit about people meming over ZE, brainwashing in itself in this specific scenario feels like a massive cop-out explanation and there are fucking porn doujins around with more thought put into characterization than what Kodaka has done here

Why is Naegi so useless and unlikable in Mirai-Hen? No wonder Sakakura and Munakata don't like him.

>>146661467
Is he? The fuck if I know.

It's all very confusing.

>>146661422
It beats staying inside the same room 24/7
I mean she was able to show him a dude who was able to pull a trigger after he was completely beheaded. You don't see that shit every day
And anyways, if you didn't buy it when she did it with Izuru, why do you think you'd buy it if she did it with Class 77?
Given how people think her driving the StuCo into a murder game is retarded, isn't a brainwashing anime better than Junko magically talking people into following her?

>>146661322
This is why V3 can't come soon enough. I've never seen a series in such desperate need of a reboot after such a short existence.

new ep when?

>>146661498
>she mindjacked Izuru and Mikan without the anime

She used the video of the killing game to break Mikan and didn't really do much to Izuru but convince him to try out despair

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>>146661455
Tricked Animator into letting her in on his techniques. Set up the First Killing Game and framed it in a way to start a mass riot. Convinced Izuru to go along with her dumb bullshit by appealing to what he needed.

I'm sure she's going to show more of as time goes on, since the coming events is what causes the entire planet to go nuts.

>>146661498
She brainwashed Mikan with anime, but it was too weak to work on other people

>>146661505
They were always supposed to be brainwashed
Why are you so angry about the method?
Naegi literally stated they were brainwashed in DR2

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>>146661231
STOP

>>146661322
>but we also have the idea that she might have been redeemed if she just got to interact with normal people for a longer time

It's you're own fault for taking IF as anything but fanfiction.

>>146661498
>she still managedto get a bunch of kids to murder each other in a few minutes
By having Mukuro say "kill each other or I'll kill you"
The motive she provided didn't even really matter when that unfair bullshit happened. Glasses girl shooting her classmates instead of shooting at Junko or Mukuro when worried about her mom was stupid too.
>organize a mass revolt from the reserve course
The mass revolt was a side effect of her leaking the info.
>she mindjacked Izuru
DID SHE?
>and Mikan without the anime
She forced Mikan to watch the brainwashing killing video, so no she's still using lame and cheap techniques.

>>146661572
Did you even watch the episode, retard?
What she used on Mikan was the recording of the StuCo killing game

>>146661605
Those were still her kind of methods. You just seem butthurt.

>>146661559
>Tricked Animator into letting her in on his techniques.
How did she even know he was the animator? Why did she just say "wow this is a faithful meeting!" out of nowhere?

>Implies Mikan is bullied mercilessly
>This is a big moment for her character during her trial
>Its suggested she went RoD because only Junko was nice to her

>Watch the anime
>Everyone is nice to her
>Teacher is nice to her
>People miss her when she's away
>People actually invite her to things
>School photos prove she went along

>>146661609
She's just gonna add some Mitarai's effects to that video, I doubt she's literally gonna make an anime.

>>146661628
I am butthurt. Junko fucking sucks. I'm SO disappointed.

>>146661635
When in doubt, with Junko, Analyst is usually the answer

>>146661605
>The mass revolt was a side effect of her leaking the info.

That was her intent from the start you fucking retard.

>She forced Mikan to watch the brainwashing killing video, so no she's still using lame and cheap techniques

So what? They're lame and cheap to you because you're mad your waifu got broken.

>>146661644
Mikan is telling Junko how nice her class is at the start of the episode so obviously she was bullied before Hopes Peak

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>>146661579
>They were always supposed to be brainwashed
>Why are you so angry about the method?
BECAUSE IT'S BORING
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I'm sure I can speak for many other people when I say I was expecting unique brainwashing and corruption based on individual character flaws with Junko actually using her analyst skill, not bullshit anime.

>>146661650
No she doesn't. You're just too dumb to understand her methods.

>>146661546
That's still something, it was exactly how I always said she'd do it, give him something exciting because they're both bored
In fact I called her entire reasoning being bored with everything so she throws everything into chaos to create more unexpected things and fun

>>146661644
DR2 features the characters as they were just as they were entering HPA, remember
still a missed oppurtunity though, yes. What they had going on with her in episode 1 was alright I thought, that everyone was just sorta weirded out by her behavior

>>146661644
Maybe it's all relative. Maybe all the kindness that Despair Mikan got from her classmates is a drop in the bucket compared to the "kindness" Junko gave her. That and Mikan is an idiot.

>>146661644
In the game their school memories are taken away, so she is obviously talking about her life before Hope's Peak

>>146661579
Screencap of that, now

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>>146661688
Junko was only good in DR1 because her backstory had infinite potential and now it's just trash.

I'm feeling despair.

>>146661579
see>>146661687

>>146661720
Cry harder retard

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>>146661717
>>146661720
Motivemind. That's some spicy Despair

>>146661717
>>146661720
Nice timing.

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>>146657907
why, why can't we have more

>>146657766
why is mukuro so ugly

>>146661687
You can't stuff that into 11/12 episodes.

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>>146661720
Junko has no backstory and Kodaka says hes not going to give her one.

How would Junko have gotten away from Nagito who had a gun in hand?

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>>146661737
>still defending The Junker Enoshima

>>146661687
Everything would be bullshit to you people anyways, given your reaction to the StuCo killing game

>>146661527
People apparently liked more the idea of her being so insanely convincing and charismatic that she'd convince people by herself
Kind of like how she brings people to kill each other and then fall to despair in DR1 and DR2
>>146661645
Of course that's what'll happen, did you read DR0? It was heavily foreshadowed

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Junkock is a hell of a drug.

>>146661720
She wasn't even good in DR1 either, it has nothing to do with backstory or a lack of it. She's always been a terrible antagonist, all DR3 really does is make it less ambiguous how shallow and uninteresting a character she is.

Only good thing about Junko is the massively talented VA attached to her character.

>>146661716
Can't
My USB connector for my Vita broke and I'm waiting for a new one
And I'm not going through the whole game on PC just for a fucking screencap

>>146661762
I fully believe they could have, if they didn't waste screen time on shit that everybody who fully played DR2 already knew.

>>146661740
>not posting the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBNYaJwOWA8

>>146661763
I think Zero coupled with Despair side made her feel human enough already.
Like when she got her head kicked in by Kamukura or when she was put off by Tsumiki's behaviour I was genuinely surprised.

I think we should just call Junkofag denialfag.

Because thats all he does, deny the truth like madman

>>146661768
She was likely expecting Izuru to show up. They were living together in the secret base since Junko needed Mitarai to not run off and finish the anime

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>>146661763
Because her backstory is so tragic that everybody would feel sorry for her and she would stop being a villain

>>146661772
What, you think that was good? It was rushed. It needed a whole episode dedicated to it. The pacing was objectively too fast.

>>146661798
Nice bait

>>146661831
But Junko doesn't have a tragic backstory. Junko was fucked up from Second 1 of her existence.

>>146661853
Not trying to bait. What was good about her in DR1?

>>146661772
Fucking this
If she brainwashes them it's a copout, if she convinces and corrupts them it's shit and unrealistic
You guys will never be happy
>>146661644
Maybe she gets off on abuse and Junko was the only one at HPA to understand that

>>146661842
That's the point stupid. The killing game was meant to be fast paced and end so quickly. Thanks for proving you didn't read DR0

>>146661527
> isn't a brainwashing anime better than Junko magically talking people into following her?

No it isn't. Most of us expected her to use the DR2 cast's various tragic backstories to turn them to despair. Why other purpose would their sob stories serve other than to be used to turn them all into UD. Mindhack anime is a cop-out.

>>146661842
>Objectively
Thanks for confirming I don't have to take you seriously and that I can dismiss your post

>>146661860
She's lying man.

>>146661870
Everything. DR1 would have been straight up garbage without her.

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I know we have really limited time that we need to fit in the important stuff, but I'm a little disappointed at any sign of the 78th Class outside of Ultimate Despair, one shot of Naegi, and some fap material for Teruteru.

Hopefully we get a little bit of them before HPA is sealed up, since I'd like to see how the students who ended up dying in DR1 would react to the idea of the world exploding with Despair.

>>146661635
She smelled the neet on him

>>146661875
Who the fuck complains about DR being unrealistic at this point?

>>146661768
Nagito went for a speech instead of just shoot. That said Izuru the ultimate plot device can stop him regardless what he does. So Junko couldn't die no matter what.

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>>146661531
>my question is being swallowed up and ignored through the cancerous shitposting that is junkofags and shitty theories

>>146661889
If that happened, I can easily see you retards complaining about how she shouldn't know their pasts and asking how she even found out about that

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>>146661821
>I think Zero coupled with Despair side made her feel human enough already

Yeah it expands on her Analyst ability and basically points out that it ruined her life. Which makes her almost pitiable since Despair is all she has.

Junko reminds me of Nakamura,she just born fucked

>>146661889
Red herrings obviously
There were billions of people who fell to despair across the world, they were just drops in the bucket
This is for example a twist I'd love, that at the end of Mirai a ton of other Remnants of Despair show up and point out that they can't defeat them all as there are billions of Remnants all across the world as DR1 showed

>>146661807
You still have the issue of spending 3/4 episodes on Junko's brainwashing alone without developing the plot. Either way it's bad.

I think an interesting compromise would've been a Junko despair montage similar to the Chisa recruitment montage from episode 1.

>>146661831
Anything would be better than "Junko Enoshima was born with a very special power. She loved to despair and her twin sister loved it too and they can do anything and get away with it because despair rocks! And nobody ever found out her secret identity except for 5 people but she made them despair!"

>>146661714

So why did they take their memories away when they had more than a whole school year where they were all perfectly fine? Leaving at least the first year intact would actually make their rehabilitation easier, wouldn't it?

It's a retroactive plothole given what we've been shown.

>>146659193
BREAK THE CONTROLLER

>>146661918
Because it's retarded
Episodes come out on Mondays and Thursdays

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>>146661913
I mean there are plenty of other reasons why Nagito couldn't kill her

>>146661911
See >>146661842

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>>146661918
Google it up, shitlord

>>146661875
>if she convinces and corrupts them it's shit and unrealistic
Fuck off anon, this is what we were all expecting.

The fact that it won't happen at all, and it's just going to be mind control anime, is pretty weak for fans of the series, and not just fans of JUNKO

>>146661942
Yeah and that's why I'm glad you're not writing for this series

>>146661939
>I think an interesting compromise would've been a Junko despair montage similar to the Chisa recruitment montage from episode 1.

This is what I've been dreaming of since the show began.

At this point i am 100% sure Chisa will become Junko nd Junkowill roleplay as Chisa.

The Junko from first Danganronpa game was Chisa.
FF Chisa is Junko.

>>146661950
Because it's easier to kill strangers than people you've spent a full year with

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>>146661972
>Fuck off anon, this is what we were all expecting

Speak for yourself

>>146662005
Throw pepper at her

>>146661999
See >>146660221

>>146661939
>>146661981

Yeah, that would have been the best possible way to do it. Just show that it happened, you don't have to go into explicit detail.

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>>146661889
This,i´m so dissapointed.
Just die already Kodaka

>>146661933
>This is for example a twist I'd love, that at the end of Mirai a ton of other Remnants of Despair show up and point out that they can't defeat them all as there are billions of Remnants all across the world as DR1 showed
Except that won't happen because despair was losing and if you read Killer Killer, the world is returning to a semblance of normal civilizaiton

>>146662023
It might still happen that way. Junko may end up only using the brainwashing anime for the reverse course students.

>>146662000

Yeah, that's exactly my point. It was the good guys who set up the DR2 scenario, remember? It wasn't supposed to be a killing game, that was a virus that later took over the program.

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>>146661950
Its almost as if that would ruin the narrative aspect of these characters seemingly meeting each other for the first time and the tragic nature of them killing each other despite their previous relationships.

>>146661939
Too rushed. Some seconds of talking and they're already her servants?
Brainwashing video's better than that, in my opinion

I expected Junko to be more manipulative and charismatic to get what she wants,not lolrandom batshit 100% of the time but just so happens to make a video that can literally brainwash people and make them fall in love with her/despair.

>>146661939
Developing the plot? In the prequel side that we already know most of the information in?

>>146662043
A virus the DR2 guys put in themselves

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>>146661913
Right, we had Mary Sues covered so of course plot device discussions are the only logical continuation.

>>146661950
Not actually a big plothole, but there again, you are all forgetting who the series writer is.

Mikan probabily isn't even lying, Kodaka just forgot her sob backstory.

>>146662054
We got it the first time. We don't need to hear it 190 more times

>>146662037
Which makes no sense because what we were shown in DR1
>>146662043
And then Hajime is already Izuru
>inb4 they didn't know about Izuru
Izuru probably convinced them, they might not have known how they were after thr first year since they did it all behind Chisa's back

>>146662054
She was already "lolrandom" batshit 100% in both DR1 and DR2. Specially considering Moniokuma's controlled by her

>>146662044

You're looking at it the wrong way. It made perfect sense in DR2 when we didn't know that they had a whole good year together. It's only after the anime showed us that they were all together for an extensive amount of time that it becomes a problem. It's bad prequel writing, you have to write it to conform with what you've already shown.

>>146662043
Maybe because DR3 wasn't planned during the writing of DR2 and the implication was that they turned ultimate despair within a year.

>>146661768
Izuru was likely there the whole time. Junko had nothing to worry about

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This only proves rhe point that Mikan and Hopeman cannot be reformed.

Others were brainwashed but these two were fucked up by default.

Hopeman will just fuck everything up again.

They deserve bullet.

>>146662101
>Which makes no sense because what we were shown in DR1
NEWSFLASH: JUNKO ENOSHIMA IS A BIG FAT LIAR

>>146662043
If they still had their memories from the first year they would know that Hajime wasn't in their class.

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Have another PikaPan.

>>146662089
Don't forget that Nagito is still against Izuru's luck...Yeah, it's retarded, but that's Danganronpa
DR 1 is the only one that remotely made sense, up until the whole tradegy bullshit, would have been great if Junko just lied her ass off to scare the students instead.

I think the problem with it is that Zetsubou-hen might as well not be a thing at all in regards to the DR2 cast. Didn't expand on any of them in any meaningful way (and it's not like there's a lack of material to work with) and "they were brainwashed" was something you can already assume from the game too.

All we've gotten from Zetsubou-hen is
>Human Chiaki was a thing, is also shit
>Fuyuhiko's sister was sort of cute
>Nagito has a tight butt
>Mikan & Imposter being somewhat close is a nice development actually
>Junko is bordering on Makoto tiers of not being charismatic at all despite the plot insisting that she is
and then a bunch of stuff regarding the Mirai-hen characters, which almost is the meat of the story except half the time it's not the actual focus. That's it. Mirai-hen might as well have just been a proper 2-cour anime instead, I don't get who Zetsubou-hen is supposed to please with the way it is.

>>146661768
Because yolo

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>>146662054
The anime is just the method she found that was the easiest. Junko probably had all sorts of ways lined up to cause bits of Despair here and there, but mass brainwashing is just too easy to pass up.

Why try to come up with a creative way to start a fire when you've got a lighter in your pocket?

>>146662054
But she is
She knew about Izuru before even being at HPA, she got to him physically and psychologically, she made the first killing game happen, she made the parade happen abd even knew they were gonna call it parade before it began meaning she propably has connections in the board of directors of HPA and was playing with both sides of the chessboard
>>146662141
Syo confirmed the footage was true, Syo would never lie to Togami

>>146662140
cyborg guy is new izuru

>>146662157
>>Junko is bordering on Makoto tiers of not being charismatic at all despite the plot insisting that she is
Fun thing, Makoto is way more charismatic
All he did to make people get a hopeboner was literally shouting "Hope keeps going on!"

>>146662140
I think it just means Nagito is a nasty pig slut too.

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>>146662157
Your life will become less stressful once you realize that Despair is a companion piece to Future and not DR2.5.

>>146662192
>Fun thing, Makoto is way more charismatic
>All he did to make people get a hopeboner was literally shouting "Hope keeps going on!

Which barely managed to convince like 4 people with Syo not giving a fuck about his speech at all.

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>>146662140
I never asked for this.

>>146662053
It would be rushed, yes. But you could have 30-60 second clips for each student. Take Akane for example:

Junko despairs her by locking her up and starving her for several weeks, all the while taunting her and doing the despair thing. By the time Akane is released, she is now fully despair, and this is evidenced by her first bite of food after the fast, with her grimacing at the taste she now hates.

>>146662171
But that is not how Junko operates, at all. If that were true, she should've just infected every student with the memory-despair virus during the final trial after Makoto and co joined to ensure she beat them. Instead she let them vote of their own free will.

>>146662157
so if mirai hen was a 2-cour anime what do you think would have been improved.

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>>146662197
fuck off mikancuck

>>146661950
How should Naegi know they had a good first year? He probably didn't want to take any risks.
Moreover the point of the neo world program was to test their ability to live in society. It loses all meaning if they already know the people they have to get hope shards from.

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I fucking hate this brainwashing shit.

I thought SDR2 fell nto despair on their own and are all fucked up due to their own consequences.

But no, they were literally forced to become despairs.

It makes whole SDR2 less impactful and tragic.

>>146662142

So introduce him as a transfer student or something, there's gotta be a better alternative than needlessly taking a whole year from them.

In any case I'm trying to point out that DR3 showing the class going for so long without anything bad happening is not what was implied in DR2 and comes off as a sloppy retcon.

>>146662215
He convinced everyone there what were you expecting?
Fucking Gozu said he was great too

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>>146662111
She was batshit in DR1 but she wasn't really "lolrandom"
She was actually portrayed as very fucking meticulous with her plans and her tricks.

>>146662157
It was supposed to please the people who wanted DR2's cast animated, since Kodaka didn't want to give them a big role in Mirai and he didn't want an DR2 adaptation either

When the hell did the writer decide putting SHSL people with brain washing powers?

>>146662254
>He convinced everyone there what were you expecting?

No he didn't

>Fucking Gozu said he was great too

Gozu is irrelevant