How do we fix Japanese male MCs?

turn them into cute traps

>>146591195
Have them turn gay. It's the only way. Either that, or they are fudanshi (fujo males).

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>>146591195
you just start watching better shows.

>>146591268
You know traps doesn't always solve every issue with anime. Reverse traps, that's a different story.

>>146591595
This desu. Gay mc's are the future.

Alpha Male MC that is not afraid to fuck the female cast

>>146591195
Okuma is the biggest beta Ive seen in an anime

>>146591829
He canonically had a huge dick, that's not beta

>>146591812
School days was shit though.

>>146591812
>attending anime convention
>at Madman Entertainment panel with the audience asking questions to the panel
>one dude asks when they'll license Monster Musume
>all the adult males in the audience giggle audibly

>>146591195
Spay and neuter? It works for dogs and cats.

>>146591889
He's afraid to use it.

>>146591661
is there a same pic with Darkness ?

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>>146591195

You did go out of your way to pick the beta-est of them all, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6GrHnOLb-Y

Change the weakling harem genre entirely

Remove internal monologues

>>146591195
make them openly homosexual

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>>146591195
Buy Konosuba-BDs and DVDs.
Honest Answer.

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>>146591812
Alpha MCs tend to be blander than the betafags unless they have some "self-control" but then they end up neutrals like pic related

>>146591195
>MC falls in love with girl in Middle School
>doesn't have the will to confess
>fast forward
>MC is in high school
>falls in love with another girl
>confess right away this time

Sorry for the blog but this is a good idea desu.

>confesses to crush in the second chapter
MCs needs to be more like Reiji.

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>>146594701
Fuck, my image didn't get posted.

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>>146591195
-Make 'em virile
-Remove the element of all the girls wanting his dick for no reason.
-Better voice acting
-Carefully thought development
-unorthodox appearance

You just killed self-insert, character is good.

>>146591195
attach a pair of fucking balls

>>146595851

Thanks for reminding me of that fun show. Its been too long.

>>146595851
What is this?

>>146597388
Kaze no Stigma

>>146594753
>The image is no longer available or is not publicly accessible.

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>>146591195
Replace them with hip hop's greatest genius.

>>146594753
sauce?

>>146591195

We don't.

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We already did
>season 2 soon

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>>146599770

He's Kanye West
On a Kanye quest
To do his Kanye best

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>>146591195
firing lazy writers, thats it

if male mc is a coward/typical mc:
>"mc I like you"
>mc is a coward so first he is not going to even respond, he is going to ignore the girl and be awkward when he can't.
>after a while the mc will try to sort his feeling but beetwen the harem of girls wanting his dick because he is kind, he can't decide yet.
>in the last chapter of the anime/manga he will accept the feeling of the girl and they finally kiss. If the anime/manga continue they are not going to kiss nor hold hands in public, their relationship is going to be the exact same as before but throwing an "I love you" here and there.

if mc is a normal person:
>"I love you mc"
>I love you too

thats it, the love arc is finished and now the writer have to THINK about the next step on their relationship.

>>146597507
Series broke my heart. It was one of my favorites

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We don't. Just lower your expectations. Most MCs aren't meant to be much more than everymen who react to stuff.

Poor Anna, all she needs is a little 'correcting'.

>>146591195
bbc

>>146600251
Love rush

>>146597507
Is it good?

>>146603765
ok so the manga is not worth other people reading

good to know

>>146591268
Shimoneta already has a mind broken trap whose only goal is to serve others

>>146594144
Well to be fair he doesn't want to get in trouble with the law considering it bars him from having 'relations' with them.

Fix the audience. Part of the reason why MCs always friendzone themselves with their entire harem is so that nerds don't throw a hissyfit when someone other than their waifu wins the MCbowl.

The other part is that authors are otaku who don't know how women work, so they just go with the standard "MC is an autist, yet girls just keep rubbing their squishy parts against him for no reason anyway."

>>146591976

Musume MC doesn't fuck the girls either though, and they straight up beg him to. He's an even bigger beta than Kirito.

>>146591661
isn't megumin literally 12 years old?

give them a personality

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>>146600768
What if he doesn't actually like her?
Okuma didn't like Anna after she went full lewd, getting raped tends to do that to you
It only took him 4 episodes to confess once he figured out that he wants to fug the better girl and that's only because he spent most of that time near Anna for various reasons and she would rip him and Ayame to shreds if she heard him confess. He tossed her off a cliff and flew off in a team rocket balloon just to make sure. That's pretty alpha desu.

He wasn't as beta as it seemed. It's just that Anna was a superhuman mutant and straight up rejecting her would make her kill him, herself or both.

Also he has a huge dick.

>>146594144
>alpha MC's tend to be blander

... so, you're retarded, right?

Name bland 'alpha' MC's.
Then name beta/omega MC's that are actually more interesting characters.

>>146604610
That isn't true any more for such a long time though.
He is asked to choose one to marry for at least 10 chapters now.

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>>146604795
When Islam dominates the world, anime protagonists will finally be able to take all the waifus into their harems and they won't have to go full beta trying to choose.

>>146604920
Perfect.

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Make them like Ataru Moroboshi

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>>146591195
Pic related

Harem anime is for loser

>>146605225
The problem is they go full beta in every interaction with a woman, and many of them go full beta in almost every human interaction.

It's fucking pathetic and often downright aggravating.

>>146605300
Anon, we're trying to get away from the bland, uninteresting MCs who have women fighting for just a single touch of his dick.
You just posted all that with an extra dose of NTR, edge and bullied-child-power-fantasy.

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>>146591268
>>146591595
>>146591727
And already a glorious start to a thread.

>>146605081
Its better to risk death than hide in fear

>>146591195
Remove the Japanese audience and watch the quality improve on its own.

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>>146600768
>"I love you mc"
>I love you too
And it was adorable. Shoujo- granted, but still.

>>146591195
You don't need to, it's for a Japanese audience.

You're pushing Western ideals on Japanese shows. Just like how anime characters will never recreationally use drugs and the female heroine will never divorce the MC for everything he has, there is no need to cater to Westerners in anime.

>>146607616
Is it? Maybe if you browse Taiwanese child slavery imageboards all day

>>146594144
The guy you posted doesn't even have a face bacause he's literally made to self insert.

The fucking mangaka said this

>>146607899
While I honestly agree, there are still series in which the writer doesn't care. The pandering money makers, sure. But in cases like Berserk or HiatusxHiatus, the mangaka aren't exactly writing in a ways of what would sell best for merch. In fact that is exactly why Togashi cut YYH short and it ended the way it did. Exes wanted DBZ and power levels, they got their rushed tournament ending.

>>146607955
Hiding like a bitch eventually gets you and who you love killed.

Also he can just kill Anna with poisoned bento. If he valued his life and loved Ayame he'd kill Anna in the name of self-preservation and love; he sees Anna as trash so murder is fair if you get to live another day alongside being a criminal for spreading lewd anyway

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>>146607979
Darling's eyeless gimmick is cute

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By replacing every MC with this stud.

>>146600443
Motherfucker's an anime character in real life.

Make them female

Stop watching shitty harem shows and expecting them to not be shitty harem shows.

>>146608224
That's not how not being a psychopath works.
Plus the decency bracelets probably have GPS locators in them, so if they can detect you drawing a penis, it can probably detect a stabbing motion, or where you were when Anna's device stopped detecting vital signs.

>>146608352
So they can just be a cardboard cutout archetype? Fuck that.

>>146608412
>Playing the moral high ground against a crazy person who can and will kill you and those you love

Its the only way to escape. Reasoning with a crazy does not work; exterminating the crazy you see as trash in order to project yourself and those you love is "righteous".

Besides being a criminal eventually means you'll be caught; ending Anna's "worthless" life just means you get caught sooner.

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>>146591195
[ ] Virgin
[ ] Heterosexual
[ ] Flustered at sight of women
[ ] all non-generic women are attracted to them
[ ] Traditionally Japanese Polite
[ ] Has a dark-side
[ ] Cannot be described outside of what they do in the story.
[ ] Thin as a mother fucker
Violate any 2 of these with a plausible explanation and you're probably fine
Take pic related.
Scott borders on a comparable College power-fantasy the way Anime MC are nip power fantasies.
But they break it by making most of Scott's woes his fucking fault (didn't study in college, is an asshole to people).

>>146591195
make them older than High School and give them a bit of life experience and be less beta-on-verge-of-gamma in personality.

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>>146591195


this dude...

>>146608608
>bit of life experience and be less beta-on-verge-of-gamma in personality

Shouldn't this be directed to the authors.

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>>146605587
The subversion there is that he's a misanthrope with minimal redeeming qualities, his politeness is written as a facade and his ability to make women his is by manipulation, not "Wow, you did a nice thing that any human can and would do, you must be the only dateable guy on the earth but you wont fuck me"
I dont like Maou Hajime a lot but it breaks convention and rewrites the villain as JUST likeable enough that he's not a full NTR villain.

>>146608568
>[ ] Has a dark-side
unless you mean edgy transformations like Naruto's kyubi or Ichigo's hallow persona, this almost never happens

>>146608535
But what if you don't want to be caught?
If your indecency triggers a shift that removes decency laws, your crimes will be pardoned. You can't ever excuse a murder unless you're a nigger.

>>146608568
What happens if you get 0.

Who cares. Ill take a delicious 7, 2, or 4.

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>>146608658
B-BLUE BOARD
BLUE BOARD

>>146599770
Whew, that reminded me that I have to buy some Listerine.

>>146608658
>PuyaSubs!
>....
ESL confirmed. Why is it always third worlders who watch this haremshit?

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>>146608679
That is what I'm talking about.
Maybe that's more in OCs that people make
I remember Negima did some shit like that too vaguely.
I'll reword it as "Has a Dark or Aloof side." Either one of those traits accomplishes satisfying the chuuni cool-characteristic
>>146608714
You get best girl: the competent gay roommate.

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>>146608706
What if Anna finally catches on and brutally kills Ayame for taking what she always? What if Anna successfully rapes beta-kun? Was it worth ignoring the problem?

Protecting those you love requires you to do drastic things; Okuma should have no problem taking the life of someone who has failed him completely especially if they are an extreme danger to his and others health. Beta-kun should own up to the problems he created

>>146591195
You need to turn them into Ziploc-kun

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>>146591195
I don't mind if they get flustered as long as they eventually accede to the girl's lust.

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>>146608884
Woops, forgot an image of your prize.

>>146608338
>doesnt show the slightest sign of affection for a girl
He's gay m8

>>146608568
I actually coughed on my drink when I saw the tally marks on 1.
Unlike anime mcs, I'm actually attracted to sluts a bit

The way to fix anime MCs is to fix the animes around them. Most shitty MCs are not defined by whether they are "alpha," or not, they're defined by the fact that everything is pre-ordained for them. Every chick will lust for their cock for no reason, every battle will be won by them for no reason, they never screw up unless that screwup is meaningless and consequence free, and thus all drama in their story is forced, banal and stupid.

A shitty beta-male character can be interesting if he has to grow as a human being to achieve his goals, win his fights and get the girl. Look at Martian Successor Nadesico for a great example of that. A confident alpha-male character can be interesting if he has his own inner demons to overcome and he actually faces challenges in his life instead of rolling over everything. See Outlaw Star for a great example of that.

Fix anime, not MCs.

>>146608976
Those are rare though. Rito from TLR is the biggest offender of this.

>>146608901
But Anna saved his ass quite a few times. Also if sox succeeds, she will be able to learn that she only lusts for beta-kun because she never got the dicc.
Or maybe she can be pacified by sending her used underwear.
If he gets caught killing a daughter of a politician pushing for decency, he will probably spill the beans about being part of sox and then the media will spin sox as evil murderers, completely destroying any chance of them getting a following.

Harem shit = pathetic = otaku

>>146609001
Is homosexual a character trait?

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>>146608884
That would suck.

I want a Machiavellian MC who sometimes even scares his nakama at times with how manipulative he can be with their enemies. They're asking themselves "What if he's playing us just like them, too?". And he would actually do it.

I want an MC that has theft as a hobby, and manages to be as smooth about it as the big-time thieves in the movies.

An MC secretly in a violent gang, working his way up (and not to change it for the better), a charming drug dealer MC ala Pablo Escobar.

Honestly, I want ballsy MCs. Innocent is nice and all, but when you repeat it all the time it gets old. Would it kill them to have some variety?

Kazuma was a change in the right direction, but it's not nearly enough; he seems to be an outlet for the viewers who have similar tastes to his. However, he has a personality as well.

I'm not asking for perverted MCs, but if that's what it takes for Japan to head in the right direction, I'd tolerate them.

>>146609170
You can only placate Anna with underwear for so long. Sooner or later her emptiness will be unbearable and Ayame will be a mangled corpse left in beta-kun's closet.

Regardless if you get seen as the "villain" its not okay to have a slut after you ad infinitum. Okuma hates Anna and should kill her.

>>146609321
Fuck, the formatting ended up looking like shit, sorry guys.

>>146609321

>I'm not asking for perverted MCs, but if that's what it takes for Japan to head in the right direction, I'd tolerate them.

I'm fine with a perverted MC as long as the Harem starts to loathe him the more he tries to bang them, except the one girl who is into it, and she is the love interest instead of the Main GIrl because she can't deal with what a lech he is. Wouldn't that be nice?

>>146609444
Yes!

>>146608916
Have them post on imageboards in order to be convinced to confess to their older sisters?

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>>146609321
>who sometimes even scares his nakama at times with how manipulative he can be with their enemies. They're asking themselves "What if he's playing us just like them, too?"
I heard this happened in Black Lagoon.

>Innocent is nice and all, but when you repeat it all the time it gets old. Would it kill them to have some variety?
Funny you mention that.

>>146609481

That is exatly what I meant when I posted >>146609090

The issue is not the character himself, the issue is the circumstance around him. These days a "Perverted Main Character," anime is gonna have 4 girls falling all over themselves to gobble his cock and loving life while it happens but he can't bang them because [Plot Reason] and the story is him picking which one he'll bang when [Plot] is resolved, unless its all of them because its an Isekai LN anime and Polygamy is OK (or he made it OK because he's a villain MC who spent the whole story raping the harem into loving him).

...that ended up being kind of a rant at the end. BUT MY POINT STANDS.

>>146609321
I'm all for this too honestly.
The fundamental issue is that, and this is based on my experience in Japan over the summer:

All their media is self-indulgent. It's for them to feel good about themselves, not to get invested in characters who are unlike them in any way.

This is why EVERY protagonist has to be Japanese, why most of the girls have to be at least a quarter Japanese (so that they're still pure but still exotic, unlike regular non-Japanese women who are sluts).

Even generic Military guys in American films have some differing personality traits: Rambo is different from a Swarzeneggar action guy who is different from a Statham action guy, etc. They're relatable but they're also different enough that they have their own motivations for the shit they do.
Swarzeneggar often gets put into situations to survive, Rambo often has personal issues from the war to get over, Statham has a nice little revenge/survival cocktail going on with sprinkles of professional mercenaryism, Willis typically tries to save the day because he's a cop at heart.

EVERY Japanese protagonist, with a handful of exceptions, in movies, shows and anime is driven by the same motivations that the ego of a Japanese young adult would be driven by: To do the right thing but also to be cool and also to be chaste but also be desired. However, instead of writing a character who could accomplish all this, writers keep the MC as a literal embodiment of the audience and change the universe to suit them. Girls suddenly have really minimal standards for attraction, you can be super strong with the anemic Japanese diet and genes that dissuade from physical strength. Being aloof all the time makes you attractive rather than be seen as an asshole half the time. There are no consequences unless it's a contrivance to add stakes to a stakeless situation.
You've heard this before I'm sure.

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>>146609237
Yes, it is.
It's the best one when on an attractive guy.
No, seriously, I never questioned my sexuality before until a femboy friend of mine took an interest in me and we got close for a while.

>>146609766

It all goes back to Sword Art. Anime was doing just fine until Fuckface Kirito made a billion dollars getting every girl on earth to suck his dick for being good at video games. Now every anime has to mimic that exact archetype you just explained to try and catch that lightning in a bottle again.

Not that it didn't exist before Kirito, but he made it the thing EVERY creator had to strive for because of the success his series enjoyed.

Sword Art Online Ruined Anime(tm)

>>146609766
I need to save this because, well, THIS. When a series breaks away from this standard it's something to really be remembered or in some cases, unfortunately isn't executed well.

After Maburaho, the first and only time I watched a harem in full, I felt mad at myself for actually sitting through it.

>>146609766
capped for future use

thanks for this info anon

>>146609919
Its a lot earlier than SAO; I'd blame Infinite Stratos for that kinda nonsense more than SAO even though IS has faded to semi-obscurity.

>>146609919
>Sword Art
I wouldn't say SAO was the one that ruined it. It feels too early. It might have been something earlier.
>>146609974
IS is still too new and recent for the trend to come about.

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>>146609828
Good choice.

>>146609321
91 days

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>>146609919
Well shit kind of made some sense before.
Naruto didnt have girls riding his dick unless it was filler or a movie.
Tenchi Muyo had a guy who was hardworking, hard studying, stalked by the main-girl since birth and goes out of his way to be involved. Tenchi was REALLY mature by today's audience's standard. It's why he's still my favorite harem protag.

The issue is that, since guys these days are beta as all hell, they need to see and imagine a world where their basic interactions are taken to be seriously impressive since they've given up aspiring to anything beyond that. They've been infantilized and it's honestly really self-destructive.

Sword Art Online is dumb in a lot of ways but at least Kirito fucks Asune in story. His aloofness in the first season is literally ascribed to him being the audience: asocial and just not good with people.
That changes later when he suddenly is better with people but still acts above it all half the time.
SAO ruined metric tons of shit.
I spat out my drink when I heard what IBM was pulling

>>146609974

Other's laid the foundation, and IS is a big offender (Ore No Imouto is another one), but I think its pretty clear when you look at the direction of the medium overall for the last 10 years that Sword Art did the bulk of the damage. No other shitty show that was part of the trend shifted the rest of the industry nearly as much because none was the success Sword Art was. Like Star Wars changed the entire game when it came to how Hollywood saw SciFi, Sword Art rippled into everything that came after it.

At least, that's how I see it. All I know is that anime was kicking ass in the late 00s for the most part and most of the trash thats dominated the first half of the 10's came after SAO in 2012, not before.

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>>146605719
This. This so much.

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>>146610015
My MTT friend-boy was so chill too. Just sit with him between my legs while we watch Steven U or some youtube shit.
Just getting comfy and handsy without being gropey

Let's talk about Shirou, from the Fate/Stay Night VN/Anime.

I would've liked it more if his resolve got changed through time. He stayed a naive fuck all the time, and what Archer told him didn't have any impact on it. In the final battle of resolves, his won.

Not straying from one's goal, no matter what happens is manly on its' own, but Shirou just doesn't feel like a realistic human character. What Archer said to him should've left some kinda dent in him, but he remains the same naive, idealistic character despite everything.

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>>146609766
does that mean there was a time when japanese audiences were more open(for the lack of a better word)?

because pic related exists.

>>146608675

>I dont like Maou Hajime a lot but it breaks convention and rewrites the villain as JUST likeable enough that he's not a full NTR villain.

No it doesn't. An NTR villain is LITERALLY what he is. The RPG Party arc crossed that line definitively. Jesus, the entire war party of Chocolate Elves just invites him to an orgy for no reason, he couldn't be more an NTR Self-Insert Power Fantasy if he actually was in porn. That manga is trash.

>>146610110
Now you're getting gay. And not in the good way.

>>146610140
Could you give a brief summary? Never watched.

>>146610124

If Archer's words HAD affected him, he would have lost. That was the entire point of the UBW portion of the story. Archer was confronted by the futility of his ideals after he became a Counter Guardian, and the abyss of his entire reason for living being a lie broke him. He related that information to Shirou, and Shirou DIDN'T BREAK. He was able to overcome that which defeated the Strongest Version Of Himself, and therefore became Stronger than that. The Copy defeated the Original, a theme that then comes full circle the final time when he faces Gilgamesh.

Shirou absolutely changes over the course of UBW though, because when the story started he was not capable of achieving that level of resolve. It was only through the events that take place that he could find that answer. And we see in Heaven's Feel that all it would take is a different set of circumstances for the outcome of that decision to be entirely different.

>>146609321
Sounds like you just want edgy MCs, anon.

Have women write them.

>>146610242
Give it up, anon. Isekai fags have the shittiest taste.

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>>146610140
Yeah, incidentally, before Vegetarian Males were a thing and Otakuism was considered disgusting rather than a choice of lifestyle (Not to say Mainstream Japanese society doesn't have issues).

Look at shit from the early 2000s or 90s.
You had a greater variety of heroes back then, partially because the industry was less dependent on shonen faggots (both domestic and worldwide otaku) but also because they were doing better economically.

Slam Dunk, GTO, fucking Death Note.
Love Hina starred a love-sick guy who was a hard working student who never got the whole harem attracted to him but did earn their platonic admiration.
Fucking YuGiOh was centered around games now the way video games are done in SAO (to an extent) but it had better and more intrigue and split the hero into literally two characters, a stud out of time and a shota who is pretty open about his crush on main-girl (all this despite it not being a harem series). Fucking Joey AND Tristan had a love interest when series now only have one male character with any female attention.
This was the early 2000s for fucks sake.
The issue really is that Japanese society is a binary game: you're either in and doing well or out and doing poorly.
If you're in, you don't bother with anime half the time and go to karaoke and mixers and have a job in a corp.
If you're doing poorly or just hate your job, you remember High School with fondness as your last happy days and dream of having your youth and life ahead of you.
I blame a lot of this on Japanese society's incredibly strong shaming stigma and stringent gender and social norms.
For one, you wouldnt have the fetishes you have now in such degree, I wager, if people were more acclimated to the other sex but that shit is so strict that you basically become HYPER sensitive to any form of erotica.
Second, the shaming mechanisms are so great that the only option you have after breaking protocol is to withdraw entirely

>>146610569
Where's Goku?

>>146610322
it just follows the happenings of a police station and in particular those officers of the Traffic division.

>first OVAs
female buddy cop, one is the sorta-engineer and the other is a strong sorta-brute

both are looking for love while catching criminals, and SoL stuff

>TV series
expect drop in quality, but same concept nonetheless, with added strikeman(oh i'm sorry i mean STUURUUUAIKO NO OOOTOKO), ep 48 is good

>>146591195

Stop making the MCs blatantly self-inserting for the herbivore men.

Yeah, we get it, the guys wanna live in a world where all the pussy falls into their laps without even literally trying. Yeah, no, just stop it already.

For example, one of the reasons why Mob is more entertaining than Negi from Negima is because Mob doesn't have girls falling into his lap like Negi does. Mob tries to get /fit/ and popular in order to get his oneitis and doesn't even use his special abilities in order to get her. Negi doesn't even try, and has like a literal dozen girls all ready to seriously die for him, and he's pretty beta through out the series.

The MCs don't have to be like Mob. That's not what I'm saying, but just make them more realistic. It sucks to see beta MCs that undeservingly gain a harem out of nowhere. Make them at least earn only one girl, or have them go full Elliot Roger due to staying a virgin. It's painful to see MCs get damn near raped by beautiful women throwing themselves at him.

>>146610569
>If you're doing poorly or just hate your job, you remember High School with fondness as your last happy days and dream of having your youth and life ahead of you.

I hate my job and I hate high school too.

>>146610242
Yeah except he doesnt drop girls once he's used them and he has a BASIC sense of honor towards the towns people as far as deals go.
An NTR villain breaks all his deals and treats women as property. Aur (or whatever his name is) manipulates women but ends up keeping them around and is generally quite kind to them, despite also NTRing them from the hero.

>>146591195
Having good writing.

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>>146610621
Yeah but Highschool is often the last time that many Japanese had both community and hobbies and some freedom on how to act along with their crushing work schedule

>>146610626
Still a monster that needs to be killed by Goblin Slayer though.

>>146610592
Still in the cafeteria, he told the rest of them he'd catch up with them later.
Guy has a big stomach
>>146610322
w-what would be the good way?

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>>146610569
>early 2000s or 90s
speaking of which, anyone remember this? The MC is actually a good one.

I wish we can have more MCs like in this one.

>>146609740
I don't know why people are so mad at that kind of protag.

I'm more mad at edgy protags, really.

>>146605213

yeah and after marrying one the others have to fuck off

>>146610658
Mmhmm.
Right after that faggot from A World that I Rule is gunned down.
I have an image in my head that some Korean mobsters arrive, get jumped by enslaved elves, gun them down along with the rest of the elves and take the MC back for some KkangPae torture.
But it'll never happen cause the author wants me to hate that asshole even more

>>146605213
Why would anyone want to marry a monster girl? They are depicted as cockhungry whores that are willing to marry some guy they've known for about a month. She would probably leave you the second another guy with a bigger dick walks by.

>>146610722
>Right after that faggot from A World that I Rule is gunned down.

Who?

>>146610725
Yeah, monster girls are all bitches and whores

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>>146610569
I remember liking ecchi shovelware of the early 00s more

>>146610569
>putting Saitama in there

How many OPMfags actually get the series?

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>>146610681
>good way
The pure way.

>>146610614
Neat. Sounds a bit like Dirty Pair but without the sci fi.

>>146610065
Tenchi was just as bad not sure why people blame SAO when Tenchi's harem was far larger and he was even more OP without putting in work like Kirito.

>>146610809
I would assume little to none.

>>146610389
Would you really call MCs of western movies edgy? I just want some variety.

The japanese can keep the current MCs, but adding MCs like the ones I listed would spice things up, and make anime more interesting for older people as well.

I'm reading masamune-kun no revenge and although the story is nonsensical beyond stupid the MC is so fucking mad at his past that he literally refuses tons of good girls to pursue his childish objective, this is kind of a breath of fresh air even though the writer is literally cornering himself at this point, you can see the ending already because it must've been planned way earlier and he is just introducing bullshit over bullshit as filler since his shit sells.

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>>146610750
https://gameofscanlation.moe/projects/a-world-that-i-rule/
Welcome to the world of Manhwa, where it's college/First-postGrad-Job instead of high school and every artist takes the Tite Kubo approach to backgrounds.
I'm partial to Lilith's Cord myself.
Shit makes better fapbait and self-indulgence than the Anime equivalent.
Koreans dont demonize sex like the Nips...
The flip side is that they trade in SAO harem blandness for soap-opera type tirades

>>146591595
An actual harem comedy with a gay mc and hoards of females throwing themselves at him mm//to-love-ru style would actually be fun I guess

I'm fucking sick of stories where 90% of the thing is them trying to get togheter and then it fucking ends, I want to see a couple survive hardships and bullshit, not a fucking "and they lived appily ever after" crap, jesus.

>>146610874
with him not coming out, bc japan, and the actual love interest being the horny support friend, being jealous of the female attention mc gets trope character

>>146604920
Thats the best part

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>>146605300

>protagonist's name is Ein Sof Aur

>>146610809
At the time of creation it was easy, fresh material for bait and memes. Anyone who's familiar with the series knows it's more about the other characters and build up.

>>146610626

We don't know if he actually treats his towns well, that was the entire point of the Fallen Hero Girl's story, the Succubus staged the entire bit where she goes to his town and sees how he's an effective administrator and all that shit. The implication was he treats his towns shittily if he had pay off that town to trick her.

Also, the fact that he continues to violate the women that he's brainwashed into his sex slaves is not a point in his favor in terms of not being an NTR Protag. They all do that. If he discarded them after he was done with them instead of continuing their degradation I would respect him as a character MORE.

You know what's sad? I really wanted to like that story. The Chapter about his apprentice was great. Finding her inner hatred and bringing it out, binding her soul to the dark powers in exchange for physical beauty and the strength to determine her own destiny, that was compelling interactions between them. He even showed a fucking glimmer of humanity in that chapter because he tried to encouraged her NOT to fuck him because keeping her virginity could be useful for her sorcery. That is a Main Character I can get behind. I was willing to overlook a LOT in that Manga, like the aforementioned stupidity of the Amazon Elves just throwing their pussies in his face for no reason. I even liked that scene because the way he seduced the simple farmgirl he got as tribute with exotic pleasures and the loss of cultural inhibitions from her shitty little village was cool, and in the end he made her his demonic beastmaster, helped her get up in the world. I thought that manga was really going places despite how distasteful that initial Corrupt The Hero To Fallen Hero story was.

It went places alright. Strait into the fucking toilet. I even tried to give it one more chance AFTER the RPG party arc and the next bit with the Strategist was even stupider. An then an anon spoiled me on how the Light Novels end. Fuck that noise.

>tfw my ideal isekai situation is for me to be transported into a chill fantasy world where I can be with one single, perfect god-tier waifu with my ideal girl's personality
>no edge, just a fairy tale like world
>no such thing has appeared yet

Fuck my luck.


I'm a fucking Muslim and even I don't want any of that harem shit


>>146610874
There's already a one shot about that

>>146610989
>corrupting a Heroic Female Character

I will never be mad at this.

>>146610834
We were pure.
Never did more than just hold and embrace each other
>>146610842
Except Tenchi's Harem all wanted him in different ways. Ryoko had a very deep bond with him from birth due to her psychic presence (depending on the incarnation of the series), One girl was a distant relative and fell for him via typical YouSavedMe. The sister was only precociously attracted to him and the Cop and Mad scientist could hardly be said to be overly attracted to him at all.
The sister, cop and mad scientist had other reasons to stay at his place other than for Tenchi. Kirito's harem follows him from game to game FOR HIM. They never are shown doing anything else with their life.
The cop is still a cop and wushu is still doing experiments of which both drive sub-arcs for Tenchi and his two only real girls: Ryoko and Ayeka.

My general point with Tenchi Muyo wasnt that that show itself was amazing (it was okay) but that even harem series back then had more internal genre variation than they do now

>>146611024
Woops, typo. I mean, I will never not be mad at this.

>>146610989
I didnt read past the RPG arc since that was supposedly the main appeal

>complaining about SAO

It has far long been eclipsed with such things like Re:Monster and Shieldvictim.

>>146604920
What's the problem?

>>146610859

Its hard to get into Manhwa for me because every time it gets to the inevitable PARENTAL DISAPPROVAL OR THE RELATIONSHIP or somebody owing somebody money/having to ask for money to help with an emergency means they have forever dishonored their family and they can never get married, I want to punch through my screen and tell them to get the fuck over themselves.

>>146609766

This is why I started reading korean manga, those nigga aren't afraid of sexuality and they actually put some effort in cool settings, sometimes they even draw better than nips.

>>146611039

Tenchi didn't even have a harem really, it was just Ryoko and Ayeka. Washu flirted with him because she was a femme fatale, she didn't have any romantic interest in him, and the two cops and Sasami were always doing their own subplots. A Love Triangle With Other Hot Chicks Also In The Story does not make a Harem.

>>146607899
You mean Nips have shit taste??
fug and i thought lurking this board was supposed to make me a connoisseur of the finest media in the world

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>>146611140
I feel you.
Koreans have their own tropes but they try different settings which I appreciate a bit more. Even in the porn ones. One of the series, Family Affairs I think, orbits partially around some delivery kid who's screwing the wife of a slick but sociopathic hitman who's part of a larger organization. It's just good, old pulpy fun unless it's something that's trying to be more vanilla.
>>146611200
I was in Korea over the SUmmer too, in Seoul.
The fundamental difference between them and Japan, I see it, is how they take in new cultures.
For Japan, it's a fetish that is replicated perfectly in ONLY its execution.
For Korea, its a fundamental set of values that are replicated in their core sentiment and intention.
Japanese replicate America in terms of our burgers, Korea replicates us in terms of our consumerism.
Our consumerism also affects how we consume things like sex. A big reason the plastic surgery industry is so successful in Korea is because Americans consume sex where Japan consumes fantasies. You don't see maid-cafes in Korea, you see bars for mixing and banging
I mean look at these fucking breast 'augmentations'

>>146610658

Oh man, I would give so much money to see Goblin Slayer killing the shit out of bullshit Revenge Fantasy Villain-MCs. That would be the greatest spinoff of all time.

>>146611401
We will need to see GS doing some harsh training regimen on the rest of his party before taking on those demigods.

>>146611363
>You don't see maid-cafes in Korea, you see bars for mixing and banging

I have no fucking clue how I could never realize this, japan is beyond saving, they'll probably go extinct.

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>>146611363
I've only read 2 Korean manuscripts but I enjoyed both immensely. The Tarot Cafe was my first manga. Characters not afraid of sex and open homosexuality.

>>146611484
This is what Zipang should've been about.

>>146611039
Those are simply excuses, Kirito only has one girl and aside from his cousin the other girls liking him is more realistic because their teenage girls he saves in their first life and death situation.

Honestly more harems should be like the girls from Handa-kun, it's not like the show is good but it portrays how girls orbit a dense beta MC properly unlike Yahari.

>>146611533
>homosexuality

No thanks.

>>146611568

>not liking homosexuals

what are you a faggot

>>146611363

I just got back from a year in Japan, of which I spent almost all of it out in the countryside rather than any big cities. I saw glimmers of the kind of thing you've been talking about, but a lot of it was much more earnest and grounded. For example, in my town there was a big reggae fandom because of an annual reggae festival held nearby. A lot of the locals were clearly enjoying the culture on a superficial "fantasy," level like you say, but I never felt like it was with the level of cynicism-bordering-on-nihilism that results in things like Maid Cafes. Most of the people I interacted with had genuine curiosity rather than fetishism.

Maybe its a city vs country thing. Its easy to grow numb if you live in Tokyo and Osaka I would imagine.

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>>146611484
Conservatism is what's killing Japan more than anything.
For all that /pol/ talks it up, the complete lack of immigration means the complete lack of an incoming population.
It also means that the number of dissenting voices about Japan's cultural stigmas is minimal.
They also refuse to redefine their culture in any way where personal confidence might be divided between confidence about your job and confidence about your cock.
It might help too if you could introduce yourself to a girl you've never met without having a friend of a friend introduce you at work.
This last point is a biggun because women in Japan want to fuck but its SUPER taboo for them to initiate and its considered SUPER sleazy for men to break the ice without at least a basic connection.
This is why the 'happen-stance meetup" or the "I save you meetup" or the childhood friend tropes are so popular.

>>146611618

A friend of mine is a bar owner in Japan and he told me once when he asked a Japanese friend of him how he picks up women, the guy told him if he's "feeling particularly bold," he might slip his business card into her purse when she's not looking.

They really are doomed.

>>146611568
There was something for everyone. I'd say it was 40% homo 40% straight, 10% bi. Though I think there was a /u/ chapter. It's been forever and some years since I read.

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>>146611596
Well maid cafes are different altogether.
Those are a product entirely of fantasy and fetish rather than exoticism that characterizes their love of French food (a huge deal as you know) or of American Burgers, Hip Hop culture, etc.
Tokyo leaned more on what I'm talking about. All this shit was conspicuously missing from Kyoto which I chalk up to it having its own personality where Tokyo, given its size and life as a commerce hub, caters largely on the influences and whims of its residents

>>146611618
>This is why the 'happen-stance meetup" or the "I save you meetup" or the childhood friend tropes are so popular.

That shit got me in serious trouble when in middle school, I thought that things had to happen like in manga and tried to create scenarios to meet the girls I liked, I even fucking got a gf a one poin with a "saved you" scenario that I admit wasn't planned but had the same effect.

Now I'm 22 and realize how fucking stupid I was back then but I also realized how weird it is to approach a girl you know nothing of and then start from there, especially when you have no common ground to share like the same job, it's a thing that I hate because building a relationship with someone you meet on a daily basis is natural as hell but arrangin and meeting up with an outer person? Man what a mess.

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>>146611677

>the guy told him if he's "feeling particularly bold," he might slip his business card into her purse when she's not looking.

>>146611568
Homosexuality is a weird thing because I always found gay people to be great friends but I never considered trying it until I met the aforementioned friend of mine who hit all the right notes for me.
The other thing is that characters who are both masculine in their society's value system make interesting couples. It's why that Tomo shit is so interesting because Tomo doesn't really have a girly side like most tom-boys seem to reveal at some point or other.
The issue with homo stuff in Japan is it's entirely sold on its forbidden nature, which you can do just as easily with pedophilia or incest but Fujo's choose what they're comfortable with: a situation where they would never be the ones committing the forbidden act and so safe to think about. You don't see Fujos ever doing lesbian shit do you?

>>146611618
>This last point is a biggun because women in Japan want to fuck but its SUPER taboo for them to initiate and its considered SUPER sleazy for men to break the ice without at least a basic connection.

If that's the case, then why not fucking making arranged marriages a thing?

I'm fucking serious. If Japan has a cultural problem with men and women hooking up, shouldn't arranged marriages be more of a thing? It seems like a complete recipe for disaster that guys and girls can't hook up without some basic connection. It essentially ensures that men and women rarely ever hook up in public and start a family.

Thing is, I guess it'll never happen since arranged marriages are seen as barbaric. They wouldn't wanna damage relations to other countries via furthering limiting the rights to women. All the SJW countries would get butthurt at Japan doing that(And still keep quiet at all the 3rd world countries that have arranged marriages which even put family members together)

>>146611788
>You don't see Fujos ever doing lesbian shit do you?
You ever been to a con?

>>146611788
>You don't see Fujos ever doing lesbian shit do you?

They scissor on a weekly basis

>>146611751
Well and Nips just hope this shit happens but it happens in some Western things too like How to Train your Dragon:
>Beta, wimpy protag
>Gets into a situation where he gets a super-powered friend
>Girl of his dreams finds out, attracted to his kindness
>They end up together
Now, the catch is that Hiccup is innovative and that's a huge theme for the movie (on top of his empathy vs his father's Stoicism). So at least Hiccup has a skill aside from being the base-line of kindness like MCs in Japland.
But it goes to my point that the desire is similar but at least Western writers know how to justify that shit. If Hiccup was just a light-novel protag, without changing the personalities of the other characters, the main-girl would end up marrying some Viking Thundercock

>>146604894
Probably cause they'll cut his dick off if he does

>>146611851
You know, my country still does arranged marriages (well, more like families recommending their kids to each other). It's probably how I will end up. I seriously have no interest in looking for a 3dpd wife. My waifu is enough for me.

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>>146611862
>>146611903
Really? All the Fujos I've ever seen were only interested in body-hairless pretty boys fucking in slow, sensual ways without getting caught.
I haven't ever really been to a con, never cared that much and I hear they can be kinda sweaty (would rather try for E3 tickets).
>>146611851
They do have that. I know in China and Korea they have tons of arranged marriage services so it goes to assume that Japan has such things to. That's another trope in series.
The issue then is economic: a Japanese's honor as a man, on every level and facet of his existence, is based on his career standing.

It's why the NTR shtick of being a late-worker and leaving your wife unsatisfied is so common: it's a collective, common fear.
Those who are doing well profesionally dont need the services and those who aren't doing well rarely get matched. Christmas Cake disposition doesn't help women's odds either if they're careerists.

Now, the Govt is trying to set up more match-making and speed-dating services. They have no qualms with that sort of shit (its barbaric everywhere in the Western world). It's helping somewhat but because its not MANDATED, then tons of men still don't bother signing up out of fear of rejection (a huge fear for them) and because many dont have high-class jobs

>>146611086
>those series will never get anime because only Mahouka is allowed to jump SAO's laser shark

>>146611618
If the SJW era wasn't a thing + Euro immigrant drama I'd mildly agree with this logic.

Some people are better off xenophobic even if it means herbivore men forever

>>146612348
Immigrants are the future. They're actually more alpha than most white men out there.

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>>146612095
Look, I agree that nip society is shit and as a nation and race they are fucked, but really you need to fuck off to >>>/co/mblr

>read shonen
>beta MCs everywhere
>read shoujo
>alpha male lead winning everywhere

Pottery.

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>>146612459
Yeah, sorry about all the /co/ images..it's just what is easy to come across in my folders
Have some best boy as a peace-offering

>>146612457
t. Pajeet

>>146612616
We make more babies than you whiteys ever will

>>146612562
Which is weird considering who wins in harem and shonen is the beta girls (or pure girls by japanese standards) most of the time.
You never see the Queen B win in shonen or seinen. Or maybe you do depending on whether she's the student council president

>>146612616
>>146612628
Guys, please, I don't come here for nip-/pol/ tier discussions

>>146612655
No one likes bitches.

Lots of people like tsunderes though.

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>>146591195
Make them have a balanced personality, most writers don't seem to want to do that. Either that or they just don't sell as much.

>>146592745
>Change the weakling harem genre entirely
>Posts biggest cuck in anime

>>146591195
Replace them with Roy Mustang

>>146591195
make them graduate high school

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Make them American.

>>146591195
>Voiced by Subaru

Would he have fucked Anna?

this obsession with "beta" and "alpha" characters honestly feels like a gaggle of neckbeards desperately trying to feel masculine by living vicariously through filippino cartoons

it's bretty sad

More ranma type tsundere assholes who know that they're damn good at what they do

>>146591195
Make them less passive and more human-like.

Let MC drive the plot instead of having him react to actions of other characters. MC is almost always a good goy gofer that does things only because someone told him to, or because the villains appeared and he has to MAMORU everyone. Even when MC has enough power or influence to be able to affect the shape of the world.
Same with real life settings - let MC make decisions and have goals instead of "wanting a normal life".

This also applies to the romance. MC doesn't have to be an ultimate playboy, but he should show some interest in girls. Which means making moves on them, seeking their affection, giving in to lust. If he has a flock of qt girls, let him fool around with them a bit.

And stop with the "nice guy" crap. There's nothing more boring than an inhuman, perfect saint that goes around and preaches love, acceptance and peace. Give him character flaws and desires.

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>>146591812
Ataru comes to mind

>>146605156
I agree with the sentiment but to play devil's advocate and show the issue has more to do with eliminating the self-insert problem (and general writing of the show), Makoto of school days vs Sousuke of full metal panic

>>146607897
This was a great show, not harem, not self insert mc, true bros, quality writing, happy feels while retaining connection with reality, adorable not edgy.

The only problem is that the writing is so good it can't work as a model because emulating it requires a level of skill that most writers simply don't have.

>>146615362

Except he's horrified of marriage and actual relationships.

They won't be fixed
They are all beta cucks so japs can self insert

>>146615689
>Eva and Madoka are "deconstructions" and are well-liked
>School Days and Master of Martial Hearts supposedly are "deconstructions"
>considered abominations

What did the former do right?

>>146615854
Why is that the case anyway?

Is it just his lust or what?

>>146591195

Fix up Japan, that's what.

>>146591195
Those isekai web novels have done a pretty good job with that, I'd say. As bad as they are in many other aspects.

Trap him in a cuckcrystal

>>146610388
He didn't overcome it because he didn't experience it yet, give Shirou a few centuries and you still end up with Archer. Covering his ears shouting nanana I'm an idealist and will flush my life down the toilet and you can't stop me, doesn't count as winning even though he's right that Archer couldn't stop him, he's still going to get fucked and still going to become Archer down the line. However it doesn't seem unrealistic because people royally fuck themselves in spite of obvious advice they should have listened to, and it happens all the time.

>>146593794
I honesty hate that hentai MC, he annoys the shit out of me. Any douche kind of character in porn annoys me.

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Make them older.

>>146614635
I really envy the Japanese for not having Alpha and Beta bullshit. Fucking westerns.

>>146603376
Im sad that a keeper like Anna will go to waste with someone else since beta-kun doesnt like her.

>>146611618
Populations are dynamic and nonlinear. Herbivore men will die out and whatever remains will be the new Japan as it's population bounces back. It will take a while and the new Japan will be different, but it will still be Japanese. Importing niggers is how you guarantee idiocracy.

>>146616373
all cartoons would improve immensely if the characters were 20somethings.

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>>146591195
Send them to Mars.

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>>146616744
That would just turn them gay.

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>>146616806
Which solves the problem nicely, wouldn't you agree?

And Shino is bi.

>>146605156
are you talking specifically about harem anime protagonists?

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>>146591195
You can't. That's why non Japanese MC's are always better.

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>>146616578
Herbivore men won't neccesarily die out as a life style choice though. The core issue will still exist and failing to live up to Japanese standards of success will continue to be a trend.
Pulling in immigrants by the millions isn't what I'm suggesting, that's a dumb solution especially since the Japanese government is trying to enforce a socialist-like influence over their own economy and culture.
The issue now is that they won't allow ANYONE who isn't Japanese into the country as a citizen.
As of right now, there's just a flat quota system that Japan tries to go even further below every year in terms of incoming immigrants.
You could set up very stringent culture-assimilation tests and if you lifted the quota for fellow East and South-East Asians and that would still do wonders for Japan's population issue.
I suppose my point is, assuming they attempt to keep their culture static like they have been and want to, then there's very little evidence the trend of men becoming herbivore males won't disappear, it'll get worse.
It's not a genetic trait or one these guys were raised on. It's entirely the product of their egos being deeply connected with their professional and academic performance. Since it doesn't seem like Japan is going to be making an economic comeback with China and Korea as competitors now, the number of people who can't get into Tokyo U or the dwindling number of successful companies will go down and eventually stabilize at some point below their current population.

You're right, populations are non-linear and dynamic but that's only in the presence of varying cultural and external influences that keep them dynamic. So, in Japan's bubble of culture and weakening economic power, there's very little to suggest that the influences pushing men to societal-disconnect will stop. It'll only get worse with more media coming out to cater to them, like what happened with otaku

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>>146591195

Go back to revenge-motivated MCs.

>>146617180
>The issue now is that they won't allow ANYONE who isn't Japanese into the country as a citizen.

Those evil Japanese, trying to keep Japan, Japan. Who are they to preserve their cultural and ethnic identity?

They should try imitating Europe and the USA, why not. We don't want to go down in flames alone.

>>146616578
In the void of any signs suggesting that the Japanese want their culture or value system to change, why do you think their population will bounce back? That's not a guarantee by any stretch. Populations will sometimes just weaken and stay weakened.

Another huge issue isn't just the culture but even those couples that are already together, the perception of real-estate on an island like Japan is precarious. Rent and real-estate are already very expensive for individuals or couples, the financial burden of a child is just completely unattractive to many couples because they give up more than half of their living-standard for the next 18+ (more than 18 if the kid becomes a NEET) years.
The Japanese government is doing everything aside from the three obvious things to get people to have more kids (the three obvious being local immigration from other East Asian countries, change their culture's approach to sexual-ego and start the construction of more artificial land-masses to drive down the cost of living-per-person)

>>146617180
>As of right now, there's just a flat quota system that Japan tries to go even further below every year in terms of incoming immigrants

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Japan has no obligation to accepts hundreds of immigrants. They are being smart about immigration, unlike Germany.

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>>146591195
You don't.

The male anime audience mostly consists of betas who can only identify with betas. If you turned MCs into alphas, they simply wouldn't buy your shit and you'd go bankrupt. And this shouldn't be surprising, because if they were alphas they wouldn't be watching anime in the first place because they wouldn't have need of this kind of surrogate for romance they're lacking in real life.

If you want alpha MCs you need to look into shoujo/otome shit.

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>>146616744
>>146616806
>>146616882
Dropped early on. Did it get better?

>>146616373
>>146616696
Coyote Ragtime Show went for a middle aged MC and took a major dip in quality after episode 1. A shame. I tried watching maybe 2 or 3 times but always got really bored around episode 3.

>>146617395
That's not my point. Cultural and Ethnic identity come at a cost when that practice, in bad economic times, costs them their population's ability to easily reproduce and keep their population numbers up.
If Japan was fine with this population shrinking, fine, go ahead. I wouldn't bother talking about it if the Japanese themselves also, on an intellectual level, wanted their country's population to grow again.

So the issue is that people like Abe want to have their cake and eat it too. Europe is a shit-storm for their policies and the USA mitigates a lot of the problems on the National level by just being a huge place both economically and geographically.

If Abe and the rest of Japan's government and elite didn't want a stable/growing population, if they themselves were okay with the inherent result of Japan's stringent cultural and racial identity, then we wouldn't be talking.

But they aren't. They want their golden age back without having to confront the reality of what made those golden ages (Medieval period, WW2 period, late 80s) possible: A complete lack of economic competition on an international level.

I have no issue with them keeping what they have but they are the one who haven't acknowledged that their population issue is directly linked to those things.

>>146617483

I live in one the countries with lowest natality in the world, and yet immigrants (who are poorer than the natives) multiply like rabbits.

This is 100% a cultural issue. People don't have kids because they don't wanna; because we live in a culture that has replaced family and patriarchy with feminism, consumerism, hedonism and materialism.

I'm afraid this has no solution, other than a huge crush and burn on the scale of WW2 that resets again the cultural values.

>>146617395
>Who are they to preserve their cultural and ethnic identity?
Well they don't have to be dicks about it. Their problem is "muh superior katana folded one birrion time." Makes me think of Hikaru Utada and her push on East/West hook ups and sex in general. Westaboo japs a best.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/utada/letmegiveyoumylove.html

>>146617509
I'm not disagreeing with you, especially when it comes to the metric tons of people coming out of the middle-east, but immigration is one of several mechanics used my countries to maintain population growth as more people move away from farms and the prospect of having children on the individual couple level (to those couples who are already fucking) becomes less and less attractive.

Typically, as nations become more wealthy, the agrarian benefit of children as free-labor disappears and so having children becomes entirely a sentimental/instinctive endeavor.

Abe is a fucking idiot. Not for his stance on immigration but because even without immigration, he clearly is just confused as to why millions of emotionally repressed individuals don't want to have children, at the very least, for the glory of Nihon. Both the economically stable and the Herbivore men have incentives NOT to have children and Abe doesn't know how to deal with it because he fundamentally does not understand those incentives

>>146605156
>Name bland 'alpha' MC's.
Kanata from Kuusen Madoshi.
>Then name beta/omega MC's that are actually more interesting characters.
Kazuma from Konosuba.

The reason that anon said so is probably because most of the alpha MCs tend to not reveal their emotional conflict and inner thought. Making them harder to be felt by us.

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>>146616350
>Hating Rance

>BetaMCs are so beta they never fuck anyone to the point of annoying
>Alpha MCs get so blown up they become obvious wish fulfillment
>Bland/Helpful MCs are literally just there to self-insert
>Perverted MCs are so over the top they become annoying

There's no such thing as a superior MC trope however any of them could work if you bother developing them to actual full fledged characters instead of copies of other shitty MCs.

>>146617774
The problem is that the term alpha changes from person to person.

Some would consider Kirito or whoever that guy from Asterisk as Alpha and that's pretty boring for me.

>>146617774
The problem is that the term alpha changes from person to person.

Some would consider Kirito or whoever that guy from Asterisk as Alpha and that's pretty boring for me.

>>146617628
>japan
>feminist
Oh that's a good one.
Japan is still patriarchal and familial oriented. The entire discussion of this thread originally was why all the media in Japan seems to create the prototypical Modern Japanese Man archetype and the entire story will bend over backwards to make that person be the most badass, more eligible bachelor, most liked person by all the good-characters.
Women are arguably lower on the totem pole in Japan than Korea or China have their women socially.
Consumerism and Hedonism are the values that made Japan strong in all its golden-ages save for their Imperial era in WW2 where the entire nation was under government regulation as a war-asset.
The simple fact of the matter is that Japan's issues are the fault of it's Japanese quality. It's a nation that is used to no competition. It's why their domestic markets are so insular but they push other countries to open THEIR markets. It's why they only do well when they don't have to compete with China for manufacturing or Korea for high-tech goods. It's why 1/3 of their men are cut out of the highest social and professional echelons and, given the society's attitude towards failure and shame, would rather disconnect entirely since there's nothing of value in mainstream society for them anymore. It's why even the couples that ARE together can't find a reason beyond sentiment to have a kid: every economic factor is stacked against those couples and Abe has made it clear he doesn't want to provide them.

>>146618174
This all isn't helped by the brain-drain on Japan since, as well as they can keep people out, they do a much shittier job keeping people in.

Are current Japanese protagonists what social Marxists have in mind as the end game when they say they want to erase Toxic Masculinity?

>>146618505
No, they're more like Social Masculinity (That is, masculinity defined by your social role) brought down to the lowest minimum standards that the audience themselves meet.
IT's not an erased masculinity but one fantasized about by those who don't want to put forth the effort and risk of rejection to get it.
It's about a population that is still sexually driven by also hammered in from a young age and sources all around them that being sexually assertive or openly interested is sleazy so they want a world where sexual interests come to them and show interest in them (thus, validating their status) but that they can reject and act aloof towards (in traditional, repressed fashion for that Japanese)

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>>146617920
>There's no such thing as a superior MC trope

As Gin-san would say, a hallmark of good MC design is that you can recognize them by their silhouette. Gin, Guts, Kenshiro, the Jojos, Vash, Alucard, Motoko Kusaragi, Spike, Goku, Luffy all passes the silhouette test.

Kirito, Bell, Beta-kun, and even Shirou don't because they're designed to be self insert.

>>146618505
>Are current Japanese protagonists what social Marxists have in mind as the end game when they say they want to erase Toxic Masculinity?

They don't have any coherent thought in mind, other than that they hate hate hate fucking hate the West and want to see it destroyed, by whatever means possible.

After all if they didn't like "toxic masculinity" or if they actually cared about women's wellbeing they wouldn't be importing millions of rapefugees.

>>146618863
But Japan ISNT taking any refugees.
They were pretty vocal about this

>>146618933

I took the original question as about western Marxists actually.

I don't know if Japan has them too; I guess they do but they don't have power like here.

>>146618836
This.
Obviously if you go to one of the 4 tropes the guy previously mentioned, it's possible to go too far but the issue is that those 4 tropes are the most popular because they're either for self-insert or comedy. Self-insert has become the only way you can get something in the mainstream industry, unless you get a viral following like ONE.
Shit like Alucard would devolve into "Whooooaa, I'm gonna kill everything cause I'm Alucard, so violent and crazy"
That shit wouldnt get passed

Silhouette test is good.

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>>146619173

Where does this guy fall?

>>146618836
Got any modern examples? Those are all good characters, but I'm sure someone relevant in the past 3 years or so has to fit the bill. Not familiar with who you posted though.

>>146618836
>tfw even golgo13 can pass the silhouette test

>>146619122
I'll share my thoughts on this real quick but let's try to keep this shit contained on /pol/, that's what the mods gave us that Board for, man.
Social Marxism is retarded but it's not as prevalent as most people think. In the West in particular, there's what I call Region-Locked Politics. It's why so many people were surprised by the rise of Sanders and Trump. They're dumb because after college/high-school, people tend to live near other people who think like them.
So people look around and see "well, no one I know personally is holds the views of Alt-righter or Democratic Socialists so that must mean they're a really small, negligible fraction of the country." We always knew, from the news and polls, that people with other opinions existed but we had no idea (given that polls control the answers one can give) how extremely different we were.
So Social Marxism may seem to be taking hold but only in certain regions while in others it basically has no sway whatsoever (places like the American South or more capitalist areas like NYC or Silicon Valley or the Dominican Republic).
So I'd say don't worry about it for now. Especially with Sanders being beat, the number of people who believe Social Marxism can succeed has dwindled since they lost their champion (Ironically, he wasn't that much of a social marxist, just true-hearted liberal, but people project what they want onto revolutionaries)

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>>146619228
Depends on the incarnation.
Somtimes he's interesting, other times he's the proto-Kirito. He was never as bad as Kirito because there are some girls who didnt want his dick. But his harem followed pretty conventional types and they were built up using pretty conventional tropes.
His character design is just god-awful all the time though, so not much to say there

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>>146619233
>Got any modern examples?
It depends, if you're familiar with the material then it's obvious. But the problem is that modern MC's tend to be fuccboi self inserts like Kirito and Bell.

From the top of my head maybe Josuke Higashikata from Jojo part 8, the Drifters crews (pic related), and as much as it pains me to say it Saitama from OPM

>>146619457

That's not actually Shirou

>>146619611
It isnt?! Who is it then?

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>>146619470
>look up source
Not sure if cheating or not but still works. And I honestly prefer to refrain from using OPM for examples as well, but it's just that applicable. Also helps that it started off as a joke web comic with no real goal for profits, marketing or even an end goal.

>>146619364
>who believe Social Marxism can succeed

Culturally they did, 50 years ago. If it doesn't look like that, it's because we were born in it.

They mostly gave up on the economical aspect after the USSR fall and when they discovered that global corporations actually share their views for a multiculti, uprooted, antitraditional society.

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>>146619728

Soma Yukihira from Shokugeki no Soma

>>146591195
fix Japanese males

>>146619996
I see the difference here now. His hair up looks like a Shirou variation

>>146619928
They succeeded in areas that were liberal already though. People who were open to that sort of shtick before are the only ones who adopted it. The South, at least where I grew up, is unchanged culturally from since the 40s at least.

Global Corps care about profit, that's all. They deal with multiculturalism where it's profitable but they use traditionalism for different products and services.
A good example is the most recent Samsung ad with christoph waltz. That shit is leaking with American Exceptionalism with almost no multiculturalism pushed as a good thing.
Again, ads tend to be region locked too so if you live in a liberal area, you'll see liberal leaning ads

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Make them nigger MC's.

They'll treat the girls like shit as they deserve, fuck them like the sluts they are then leave them

>>146618863
Of all the asinine terms invented by SJWs, "Toxic Masculinity" is quite possibly the most frustrating to me. When they describe all the so-called negatives of it, it's basically stuff which any reasonable man would also find abhorrent like unapologetic rape, fucking only for bragging rights, getting women pregnant and not taking responsibility; basically general nigger behavior. However they extrapolate those shitty human being traits to bash masculinity as a whole, equally maligning things like chivalry, honor, discipline, strength, and their association with males to be "problematic", while simultaneously celebrating any positive female traits and decisively associating them to femininity.

>>146620474

He's pretty based, confident and competent without being OP, no real harem (2 with a crush that barely show up, one eventual winner), and half the series is about his struggles throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks so he can match people that way outstrip him for one reason or another in cooking competitions

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>>146617774
>Kazuma
>beta
yeah okay

>ITT we complain about things that are not broken
For all the shitting of SJWs, you faggots behave similar to them.

>>146591195
Convert them to Islam

>>146617342
What's that from?

Reminds me of goblin slayer but I'm hoping for someone more sadistic rather than just autisticly dedicated to their job.

>>146621151
Concerning your second statement I happen to agree. The extreme backlash to SJW's has become pretty much just as annoying and immature as SJWs themselves. Such is the way of the never-ending culture wars.

However your first statement is just wrong. Current Japanese male MC's are by and large shitty and bland pandering devices, and need fixing.

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>>146591195
More shy.

>>146591195
Make them like Lulu.

Admirable, but of questionable moral fiber. Idealistic in vision, but pragmatic in reaching his goals. Self-confident, but hand him a loss enough to keep his arrogance in check. Skilled, but specialized enough that he relies on others for what he can't do. And finally, give him enough interactions with other characters to show that he genuinely cares.

>>146611618
They have +100 mln people packed on tiny islands. Some of them need to die. They don't need lazy ass immigrants from third world that do nothing, they don't want "white devils" (what is funny considering what those fuckers do themselves in thier colonial era) and God forbid any Chines colonizers that want those juicy influence on open Pacific. Plus they have worst possible security program, Bismarckian one, IIRC. The only good future for Japan is
>Population Crisis, Population Recesion and then slow and steady recovery
or
>Going full Hirohito and grab some land from Russia to start "New Japan"

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>>146617539
Brewers and Dort arcs were an absolut mess. Carta and Earth Arc were better, but nothing standout, final bit is full of both good and bad extremes and I'm not sure how to even rate it.

It was fun if only for graze ein and Mcgillis at the very end though.

Everyone surviving graze ein relatively unharmed was a total cop-out and complete bullshit though.

>>146621403

Arifureta's manga.

>>146591195
by replacing them with fat brown guys

>>146621858
Thanks fampai, appreciated.

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>>146620696

>>146591195
nuke them

I just want a FeMC with a strong alpha male lead.
I rarely see this combination in anime/manga.

>>146622228
You see it all the time in shoujo.

>>146591195
By making them more like me. Really guys. If I be the MC all your complains would be gone. Not only would I feign ignorance to their advance but I try to win them with my wit.

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>>146622288
>feign ignorance to their advance but I try to win them with my wit.
I know this is bait, but what about Arlslan? Not so much beta as he just isn't overly aggressive and he used this tactic once or twice when he wised up from being completely trusting.

>>146622451
It's not bait. If I'm given the chance I will be the greatest male MC /a/ have ever seen.

>>146621828
Hahahahha...id love to see them try some shit with Russia.
I completely agree with you though. The issue is that they don't want to change but they also want their population and economy to shoot back up to the height of their recovery (never mind to the fact that their post war economic recovery was largely due to America's support and the lack of other big tech-Giants in the region)
When they do recede, I don't think they'll have a recovery, they'll hit a stability point where the birth rate matches up roughly with the size of their economy, where the number of people born is roughly proportional to the number of socially smiled-upon jobs

>>146620891
What. Megumi, Meat, Middle school friend, um that bitch who never battles anyone, they all want the D and he completely ignores them. He's beta as fuck.

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>implying it's only a japanese problem

this guy is supposed to be an alpha then you actually play the game and every woman cheats on him or gets raped

>>146604920
no she's not. she's as old as kazuma. her race just looks loli

>>146617774
>kazuma
>beta
what drugs are you on, mate? Kazuma is closer to alpha than kanata. did you even watch the anime?

>>146622657
>or gets raped
Geralt or the women?

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>>146622626

Megumi just respects him, middleschool-chan does not exist anymore, Meat never shows up, and he's almost certainly ending up with bitch that never battles anyone (who does not want the D yet but is 100% getting there).

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>>146591195
Turn them all into Geist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffl4HDp-_S4

>>146617754
So why is it so hard for people like Abe to not get why herbivore men and reasons to not have children exist in general? Because it would require him to rebuild his entire political ideology or something?

>>146610569
>4 series in the top panel
>2 on the bottom
That's not even a fair comparison.

>>146622657
yennifer didn't cheat on him

Best girl Triss didn't cheat on him

Ciri is still a virgin

those 3 are the only important female characters so what are you on about

>>146610569
This pic should remove Jotaro and add someone like Sakuragi, Musashi or Thorfinn. Luffy should be added in the botton panel.

>>146620696
We got Peepo Choo, and that was just about a runt with no idea how to get around Japan.

>>146623640
>yennifer didn't cheat on him

She straight up cucks him in the books while they were in an active relationship. And even if you don't take the books into consideration she seduced and probably fucked one of those Viper school witchers from the second game. And she still had all her memories intact unlike Geralt.

>>146604155
http://www.animerow.com/manga/details/love-rush-2

your soul belongs to me

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>>146623468
Well he refuses to believe that Japan's golden eras were due to exceptional circumstances, usually outside of Japan's control.
He believes that it's just a temporary slump or it's a matter of getting the military back on its feet or what have you.

Abe is ferociously nationalist, a thing that usually arises out of a love of how a country is at a point in time. For him, Japan is great by default and it's exceptional circumstances like being beat in WW2 (and losing their military) or having to COMPETE (go figure) with China and Korea in the world economy that make Japan less great.

But the simple fact is that Japan's decline was onset by the mid 90s, before either China or Korea reached the levels they are at now. By the 80s boom, any loss of jobs from losing the military were replaced with jobs supplying the American military or just other, consumer high-tech jobs in general.

For Abe, Japanese culture is the crux of what made Japan great (partially true) and he just needs to weed out or jump-start something to get it to be great again. This being all evidence to the contrary (that Japan has some issues that need to be solved if they want to grow to their previous strength again).
It's not good practice if the only way your nation can grow economically is by civil-sprawl to nearby lands

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>>146609321
Korean LN dose this, especially the MC of Dungeon Defense. Actually all the Korean MC >>> beta Japanese MC for Light novels

Here is a quote:

>“To me, I need this kind of child. A child burning with hatred more than anyone else. I need a child who would sell her own soul to the devil if it meant getting revenge on the humans. Laura De Farnese, an individual just to my preferences.”

>I chuckled.

>Lapis Lazuli looked at me with an impassive expression.

>She had eyes that appeared as if she understood but also didn’t understand at the same time.

>“What? Are you disappointed that it wasn’t the answer that you had hoped for?”

>“Slightly.”
>Lapis Lazuli tilted her head.

>“This one was certain that your highness wanted to obtain and enjoy a high quality sex slave from a noble birth.”

>“What? What kind of nonsense…… Wait. What kind of person do you see me as?”

>“Of course, this one sees it as it is.”

>There’s a vassal here that’s treating their lord like a human scumbag!
>I vaguely understood the reason why Lapis Lazuli’s affection was yet to get past 10. No, well, I actually am a human, though! I’m not depraved enough to do something disgusting like getting a sex slave.

>“Lala.”
>I spoke in an incredibly serious tone.

>“I’ll use this chance to tell you clearly.”

>“What is it?”
>“I prefer mature adults.”

>It was truly so.

>Lolita complex is a mental illness.

>>146624075

>Well he refuses to believe that Japan's golden eras were due to exceptional circumstances, usually outside of Japan's control.
He believes that it's just a temporary slump or it's a matter of getting the military back on its feet or what have you.

This is a problem in more than just Japan though, the delusion that economies can just grow and grow forever is an elephant in the room in the political landscapes of many countries, and very few leaders would ever confront it for fear of hurting their election chances.

>>146624126
2edgy4me

>>146624126
Thanks for telling me to shitpost on DD threads from now on.

>>146621403
>I'm hoping for someone more sadistic

You are the problem.

>>146621752
You sound like someone straight from MAL

>>146591195
lock them in the onsen with their harem and give them viagra and red bull

>>146617342
I want arifuretafags to kill themselves.

>>146617395
>muh ethnic identity

Japan's ethnic identity has turned to shit.

Then again, maybe it was never good. That whole samurai thing was laughable.

>>146595356
>Remove the element of all the girls wanting his dick for no reason

You mean make the MC good. There, now they have a good reason to want his dick.

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>>146624295
Its the FUN kind of edge
JP need to take notes from Korean on how to write a fun story.

>“Do whatever you guys want. Why are you asking me about your life and death? If you’re going to live then live, if you’re going to die then die.”

>“Mm.”

>I nodded. The language spoken by the humans and the language spoken by Barbatos were different, so I had to stand as an intermediate to interpret. The only person proficient at the human language while also being a Demon Lord was myself.

>“She says to die obediently.”

>The prisoners all lowered their heads to the ground at once.


>—Because we are foolish, it is difficult to understand.

>—Please decide what we must do.


>“Oi, would you look at that?”

>Barbatos snickered. The demon soldiers around her laughed as well.

>“Dantalian. What are they babbling about?”

>“They said your words are too damn vague, and want you to break it down for them so they can understand easier.”

>“Iyaa, what an abundance of bullshit. If they live then that’s their life, and if they croak then that’s their death. Why should I care?”

>I nodded my head.

>I then translated her words exactly to the prisoners.

>“This lady here said that you guys are quite full of shit.”

>>146624274
Basically politicians are afraid to tell people "There's limited resources on Earth, therefore there is a limit to how much we can expand before we start pushing eachother's territory, and competition or even conflict will emerge"

They're afraid to say economic growth is ultimately a zero sum game?

>>146624274
>elephant in the room in the political landscapes of many countries, and very few leaders would ever confront it for fear of hurting their election chances.

Yes. Japan's ills are not specific to it, they're shared in similar ways by most other developed countries. But it's in the nature of democracy to only care about the short term.

>>146617628
>WW2
>resetting cultural values

Epic meme.

>>146624453
>fun

There's this word again. Hate it when fanboys try to sell their stories with merely going "it's fun, guys! it's fun!"